You need to kill a lot more grunts than normal
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dull silo
Man on stage 3 even outside a swam you sometimes just get like 2 wardens and 20 grunts and you're just like fuck it I'm mining this morkite and going home
At that point you just kinda shoot the web spitters and other dangerous stuff and sprint around a lot
steady narwhal
The solo haunted cave strategy
steady narwhal
I haven't run into it for EDD yet
I just play solo a lot
I have been tending towards engie more than scout though for solo play because of the huge difference in killing power
dull silo
I can see it
I feel like scout is most suitable for players with weak mechanics but decent game knowledge
And that's me
steady narwhal
I feel like it's almost the opposite as scout guns require way more precision, and he has the most mechanically-rich movement
I'm also addicted to special powder tho so perhaps I see scout movement in a slightly different light than most lol
wraith shard
yea
steady narwhal
Ah, you mean from the perspective of "I messed up and don't want to be here"
dull silo
Not even, my positioning is usually pretty good. I mean I suck at shooters
And one way to compensate for not being able to shoot every thing is to just kite until you whittle it down
steady narwhal
Well, missing half a mag trying to kill one mactera spitter is a form of messing up lol
wraith shard
hm
steady narwhal
I am familiar with that form of messing up, yes
dull silo
Other classes are under more pressure to kill before they get killed
steady narwhal
Hardly feels like pressure tho TBH when you compare the damage output of engie vs scout
dull silo
It's absolutely true that more killing power is its own form of safety
steady narwhal
Swarms that would be a big problem for scout and really stretch my ammo, ez one mag of breach cutter and maybe a third of my other two weapons
steady narwhal
Kinda, yeah
wraith shard
does it have really limited ammo or something?
dull silo
It feels like a cheat, yes
wraith shard
yikes
wraith shard
dang
dull silo
It's honestly pretty generous
wraith shard
Yea
steady narwhal
It has fairly limited ammo, but as you start practicing the best targets use it on, that becomes less of an issue. Primarily because engie has really good ammo economy on his other 2 weapons
dull silo
Ye I don't really run out or bc ammo on engi
steady narwhal
Like, you can't clear everything with BC, but you don't need to because you have 2 other strong weapons
dull silo
Turrets run dry faster haha
steady narwhal
I prefer the 1 turret and mini shells on the shotgun
So I spend less time babysitting turrets and more time killing stuff myself
steady narwhal
That's part of the reason scout feels bad to come back to sometimes after engineer for a while
Go from being able to kill hundreds between resupplies to really having to stretch each mag sometimes
dull silo
Speed difference is real tho
steady narwhal
It probably doesn't help that I play with a controller and can't land headshots always with GK 2
dull silo
Haz5 pe for example I don't even collect nitra on scout
steady narwhal
Yeah, scout isn't supposed to kill everything, and he doesn't need to
dull silo
Whereas on engi you probably need atleast 1 resupplt
steady narwhal
Lol not with mini shells
dull silo
Deepdives are similar, usually use 1-2 resupplies total as scout
Maybe 3 if there's an elim objective
steady narwhal
Ugh, solo EDD elims as scout
Is there any way to do them fast
I rarely die, but they take me forever
dull silo
Solo dreads die pretty fast
M1k shreds them especially
G2k takes a little longer but shotty is pretty fast regardless
steady narwhal
I'm too much of a coward to take M1k solo lol
dull silo
Just lean on shotty I guess
steady narwhal
But muh special powder
dull silo
Shrug
steady narwhal
I kid lol
dull silo
Just resupply for flying after
Personally, I'm hoping to finally get bullets of mercy for that sweet sweet bonus
steady narwhal
I prefer the clean OC for fire rate TBH
dull silo
How much fire rate is it?
steady narwhal
Not sure off the top of my head
dull silo
I like the idea of bom but I've never compared em to fire rate
steady narwhal
I just find that bullets of mercy primarily helps me kill targets that scout excells at killing already, and doesn't help much against things that give him trouble
Which is ideal for a 4 man squad who have practiced playing together and fulfilling their roles
dull silo
It helps you killing everything no?
steady narwhal
Not great if you play solo and need to kill anything yourself
dull silo
Except menaces,maybe
steady narwhal
Not really, because you have to spend some sort of utility to proc the damage bonus
dull silo
With stun chance it'll help against most things even without other things to proc it
At that point grenades and white phosphor are just for bigger targets
steady narwhal
Might give it another shot in that case
dull silo
My main concern about bom is actually taking white phosphorous
Cause that makes me feel like I need to spec born ready
And I'd really rather not
steady narwhal
You can take born ready built into the shotgun itself
dull silo
Not if you take white phosphorous to proc bullets of mercy
steady narwhal
Oh, right
Yeah now I'm remembering more of why I didn't use BoM lol
If you get used to playing around it, it seems great though
dull silo
Ye 33%damage is a lot
quiet wyvern
Along with hollow point bullets
granite lantern
Along with IFG.
quiet wyvern
Sick
odd comet
Do people seriously struggle so much with remembering to reload that not having auto-reload is a build killer?
granite lantern
No. Born ready is just too OP
odd comet
I mean
Not really?
Unless you're the sort of person who habitually forgets to reload
vapid monolith
Big Bertha has entered the chat
granite lantern
i dont and my reloads on all weapons are optimized as fucking fuck with reload cancel
I still think born ready is S+ tier
Not really?
@odd comet Born Ready allows you to reload lenghty stuff like PGL, BC, Autocannon, etc with no downtime. In general it makes you not have to reload at all if you dont want to intend using the weapon imediatelly afterwards, and that lack of downtime is very handy on high haz.
Its also even more useful paired with grenades and equipment
It also saves you some handy time with reloadable equip
tawdry crater
what are mutations for edd this week?
odd comet
Stage 1: Low gravity Stage 2: Low O2 Stage 3:Regenerative Bugs
tawdry crater
ty
obsidian gorge
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tawdry crater
ty as well
not the greatest player, so I have to prepare for the mutations instead of reacting
dull silo
born ready is pretty valuable if you spend all your time doing things that prevent reloading
white sandal
cutting down time on things that are higher on the priority list is pretty handy
few seconds can be really precious at certain points and at high haz
wraith shard
why is it
on the map thing
the depth goes down, rather than up?
on the blue loading map
as as you go deeper, your depth increases
but it doesn't on that map
fresh escarp
So, I'm not the best player, but the second stage of DD this week is toughhhh as nails... Anyone got any tips?
fresh escarp
Just purely overwhelmed at the end section, and general trouble with the map layout with the dreadnought and exploder infestation. Magma core is not a strong suit of mine. I play scout, and was with a team, albeit random cause I got no mates XD
wraith shard
if you guys havent tried already lure the dreadnaughts into main room
obsidian gorge
for dreads always find a good place to fight them first, for exploders probably use dash perk to not get exploded,
wraith shard
since your a scout use your grapple carefully so you can get away from deads and exploders
dont always use it to get to other places quickly
obsidian gorge
you mean the blackbox / fuel uplink ? what were the other classes
wraith shard
i bet the other 3 were scouts
fresh escarp
Yeah, the fuel uplink is where everything died... Nah, I was scout, we had two drillers with cryo cannons which worked really well from the looks of it, and an Engi
wraith shard
a gunner is nice
obsidian gorge
got overwhelmed by exploders or something else ? did you have good space to move around it ?
wraith shard
because of the shield
fresh escarp
Got overwhelmed by exploders summed it up
Made a lot of holes with hurty floor
Engi patched a lot of them, but a dead Engi cannot patch
obsidian gorge
any turrets ? I feel that one driller could take care of the left side and the other of the right side, but if it was randoms that may change
fresh escarp
Feel like a hard no, and I didn't see any... Probably would have helped huh? haha
Gunner shield definitely sounds nice, does it stop exploders walking through?
obsidian gorge
Boy, the Engie did not use turrets to defend the fuel cells
only thing I have seen ignore shield is shellbacks so far, and some people mention dreads
fresh escarp
Makes sense, and your comment makes me think turrets are a deff yes.
wraith shard
Or platforms
wraith shard
Tbh it was an easy EDD this week
Only the second mission with the air was a pain, simply because of the air
You could lure the dreads into the starting location pretty easily
And Asan engineer you just plug the gaps
honest tide
Normal deep dives are very doable with randoms
brisk wyvern
as far as i know the rewards for elite and normal are same right?
elite deep dives just means we get to get twice the reward?
honest tide
Yep, rewards are the same for both dives. I think the EDD pays more in XP and credits, though.
golden gazelle
DDs use same "seed" for whole week
brisk wyvern
okay
golden gazelle
But there may little differences with things like where black box, decos, nitra spawns or when swarm attack or Bulk came
brisk wyvern
i died
so the second level has low 02 stats
its gonna be the same no matter how time its replayed?
golden gazelle
Yes, mutators are part of seed
ebon jetty
whats the edd like this week?
wraith shard
Really easy
wraith shard
The hardest part is number 2
Leash the dreds to the drop area
And you’re onto a winner
granite lantern
I just BC spammed them in their homes
frail zodiac
it took me like 55 mins i think and i had no mods/no perks lul
waxen mist
wonder what DRG is gonna do with all the morkite they made us mine in this EDD
heavy oriole
Guessing make coffee with it
simple bough
ugggh
the randos this game
are painful
had a driller blow me up during the bet-c fight, rip health i had
had another driller try and drill to the pod during low o2, 130 metres away
blazing current
Bulk detonator is driller's spirit animal
quartz ibex
Drilling to the pod is a driller tradition
Low O2 really puts the brakes on that strat though
white sandal
ive been playing so awful lately, somehow fucked up stage 2 of EDD with randos
and 2 randoms were below rank 30
heavy oriole
Is it the EDD or DD with the black box glitch?
heavy oriole
Do most people not chat about the EDD on here?
obsidian gorge
I do think you have the wrong impression but can not say I know for sure what do you mean by that
bitter socket
there are absolutely people who discuss both the normal and the elite DDs
zenith kettle
ffear
uncut raptor
people talk about the EDD more than the DD on here usually
but this week because of the black box glitch, lots of people have been asking if anyone else has been having that problem
glass fable
What's the best class to solo the EDD this week? Tried the EDD yesterday three times with a full crew of randoms and failed every time on the second mission. The dreadnought fight + swarm was just too much every time, even with kiting the dread back to the starting room to fight it. I'm thinking solo might be the way to go, because the mobs have less hp?
glass fable
Ok, thanks!
amber iron
I soloed the last two as scout and engineer
EDD's
question though, in this week's regular DD in Magma Core, is the third stage bugged?
I had recover 0/0 black box
obsidian gorge
not only for you
amber iron
that way for everyone then?
obsidian gorge
basically
bitter socket
Yeh, the going assumption is the pod drops on it or something
my DD passed with 0/0 bb as well
radiant pond
personally i hate those objective so 
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white sandal
i really really wish that people who arent accustomed to playing haz5 were discouraged from playing the EDDs
that isnt the point
wraith shard
Tbh the EDDs are not as hard as normal haz5
Makes me wonder if it's really haz5.5
EDD stage 3 is on a bad day normal haz5
Lately it's been feeling more like haz4 or 4.5
white sandal
ok
wraith shard
Still, I last ran the EDD with people who never even did haz4
Just a matter of getting them used to it. It was fun
obsidian gorge
what do you want to tell
white sandal
to look for more nitra before calling? not to pop eggs in a tight spot? not to call unnecessary supplies?
i wasn't being rude, i was literally just asking or suggesting to either do something or not to
i can only assume they were in a call or something but that shouldn't neglect the fact that i tried talking through text up until halfway through stage 3
it's just frustrating
i joined an EDD that just started and i didnt have the option to back out and didnt want to leave as we landed in stage 1 cause it seemed discourteous
in retrospect i feel like i should have
i know
i usually do
people like that kill my motivation to play lol
today is not my day either
God knows
dull silo
What makes you say haz5 is harder than edds @wraith shard
wraith shard
Just feeling, haz5 feels much more difficult than EDD stage 3. I've no actual evidence hence why I worded it how I did.
dull silo
Hmm haven't noticed that
I do sometimes mine like 200 nitra on stage 1
And then stage 2 and 3 are easier cause you never have to mine nitra
But as far as enemy spawns, health and damage go stage 2, 3 and haz5 feel indistinguishable to me
wraith shard
Fair enough, again it's just perception. Could also be the way an EDD is set up compared to a single haz5 mission.
wraith shard
Short and the nitra going in helps immensely.
Gives you a security net you normally don't have.
dull silo
I wonder if that's just a case of protecting players from bad decisions
There's not really any reason to run out of ammo in haz5 before collecting your first 80 nitra, but starting the map with 80 nitra certainly means you can do just speed through stuff without getting punished
wraith shard
@dull silo eexactly, allows you to do things you normally wouldn't
misty temple
Man's got a point, EDD Stage 3 feels tame but on a Haz 5 I'm fighting for my fucking life
dull silo
Idk when I play scout and stage 3 has a salvage primary it definitely feels like haz5 or harder
But I guess nitra is just never an issue on salvage in general
dull silo
Ye, but defending uplink and fuel cells can be harsh on scout
granite lantern
scout solo h5 ig is harsh
heavy oriole
How come during one salvage portion of DD, all we needed was to repair the mules, and in the other, we need to repair and do comlinks/fuel?
obsidian gorge
depends if it is the main objective or the secondary one
basically if repair mules is the botton objective you won't need to defend anything, defending something on the secondary goal is the blackbox one
granite lantern
How come during one salvage portion of DD, all we needed was to repair the mules, and in the other, we need to repair and do comlinks/fuel?
edds have a primary and secondary objective
represented by primary being the bigger and top one in the mission info
the primary objective dictates the level layout. ( ex salvage ones will be mostly a wide area to work with, morkite ones will be progressive and linear )
the second objective is just shoved into the map layout
white sandal
aren't the MULE objectives distinguished by the words "salvage" and "repair" anyhow?
obsidian gorge
enemy spawning should follow main goal too
dull osprey
zinc forge
@spiral lynx thanks for going afk just now
granite temple
engie regains all turret ammo between stages, I'm guessing that's a bug?
fringe kettle
yup
versed willow
Same thing with C4 and shields afaik.
heavy oriole
How’s the EDD this week? It will be my first
obsidian gorge
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sullen python
this EDD has a bunch of nitra so you should be a breeze
heavy oriole
Ty, checked it out
I mean, I haven’t done an EDD, but have done Haz 5 a few times, Haz 4 isn’t bad and DDs are easy peasy
I just don’t know if EDD really kicks up heat
obsidian gorge
it is haz 4.5 - 5 - 5.5 , wiki is more specific on what changes on the ".5" ones
heavy oriole
Yah, I looked at it. Wasn’t sure if the structure itself had some new things unlike regular missions
I think I had a misinterpretation that ‘deep dives’ also used more special, larger map seeds
Not just combined mini missions
cloud sky
I solod my first EDD 😄 granted this one seemed pretty easy from what people have been saying.
bitter socket
it was much easier.
wraith shard
was the easiest for 2 weeks
vital veldt
really ? even with that crazy second mission
crystal gate
was not that crazy as long as you stay near the mule
not a single member of my team died or got seriously injured from a lack of oxygen
if anything four players on the first stage is worse because a bet-c spawns
especially when an oblivious team mate activates it
we died
a lot
twilit gull
I mean... O2 specifically is a lot easier to deal with as one player than a team
Since you can just mash C every couple secs
dull silo
o2 is pretty much a nonfactor as long as your on voice and dont get too adventurous in splitting up
especially if you call down your resupplies tactically
dusky bluff
Soooo, first deep dive and I somehow soloed it despite being a Magma Core nightmare
But definitely not worth the hassle doing it on your own
white sandal
i dont think it was that bad lol
i mean i play haz5 so i dont really have much of a say
but in my mind, maybe stage 2 since the uplink and fuel cells were in meh spots
obsidian gorge
I used a C4 for the uplink , so I had a lot of hot floor, but I had a supply pod, so even if I was always losing hp I could only use it to recover hp, the crevice part was annoying though
white sandal
me and another bud shredded the dreadnought in under 10 seconds
dull silo
cant you drill out the hot floor if you made it with c4?
obsidian gorge
problem is not getting out, it is getting in
granite lantern
magma core just replaces all instances of slag with magma right
versed willow
Yes.
heavy oriole
Woo! Solo’d my first EDD!
Almost lost on the second one since molly got lost in the low oxygen
oblique osprey
How much time left before next DD ?
obsidian gorge
you can check that on the Dive's terminal, top part
the mission guy tells you here when there is a new one, or 24h until a new one, or half a week before a new one
so... not in the next 24 hours
tawny pond
this edd was easier than the dd for me
oblique osprey
Yeah, did the EDD with a friend early, guess I'll solo the DD before it resets
heavy oriole
I need the EDD and DD to be crazy hard next week, so when my friends promote it sound like I’m actually a better player than I really am
obsidian gorge
as long as I don't get Salvage, shield disruption or mactera, I think I will be fine
granite lantern
primaries are all salvage
engi mains : oh wow these devs really do work with us in mind
oblique osprey
Salvage I can handle tbh
Shield Disruption is the real killer though
Mactera is also really bad though, especially since they made it WORSE last patch
wraith shard
How's EDD today?
heavy oriole
I’m a pretty new player. First time ever trying EDD and solo’d it
The Dread + Low oxygen for me was very hard
On stage 2
knotty rampart
Madman
sinful rune
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1piHNJGLxZkBFLxGZNRroN8CQzeZbVa3ZVUjHLac08DQ/edit is this up to date?
deft kite
@sinful rune i haven't read the article but there a few VERY VERY BIG warning that it might not be super reliable the first one is 2018 the second one is "My standard missions are Hazard 3, whether solo or with a party, with a handful of Hazard 4 thrown in." if you want i can run a mission with you and i'll cover the basics and a few advanced tip
i'm driller gold 3 while it is not my main it's my second highest class at gold 3 and 5days 2h of mission time most of these being spent in haz 5
and update 19 is very far back
since then there been at least one massive weapon overhaul (update 30)
sinful rune
@sinful rune i haven't read the article but there a few VERY VERY BIG warning that it might not be super reliable the first one is 2018 the second one is "My standard missions are Hazard 3, whether solo or with a party, with a handful of Hazard 4 thrown in." if you want i can run a mission with you and i'll cover the basics and a few advanced tip
@deft kite That would be a huge help
dull silo
Doing good work @deft kite
shut sierra
I mean, low o2 is fine
just stick together
or work fast
I've also only ever seen it on salvage once
in all my 1000+ hours of this game
apparently the uplink/fuel has o2
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copper cove
white sandal
yep
quiet wyvern
Free objective complete
rose thunder
Anyone remember what the objectives are for this weeks deep dives? Gotta have a load out ready.
dreamy niche
lavish jetty
macterra swarms are annoying now 😦
wraith shard
I keep telling everyone, I have no idea why they ever thought it was a good idea to buff mactera AND the omen tower
fringe kettle
It’s only announced mactera waves. Not ambient waves or mactera plague. The omen was extremely easy even on haz 5, it needed to be more difficult.
granite lantern
It’s only announced mactera waves. Not ambient waves or mactera plague. The omen was extremely easy even on haz 5, it needed to be more difficult.
@fringe kettle it was only " extremely easy " to good teams honestly
i often saw h5 pubs struggle with it a fair bit, ones that are fine with just about everything
also the current OMEN might be better for good and prepared parties, but its now a rather solo unfriendly challenge
ionic fern
do deep dives scale with the number of players in the mission?
granite lantern
it can really dab on some builds you can bring that otherwise work fine, same for korlok
And ye
fringe kettle
I regularly play with randoms, both folks trying haz 5 for their first time and veterans of the difficulty. I can’t remember any omen recently that I’ve failed. It’s also good that the devs are slowly increasing the difficulty. Gives more meaning to haz 1/2.
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lucid wren
Alguien habla español? XD
obsidian gorge
check #fan-communities for that @lucid wren
humble ravine
Anyone else end up with a nonexistent black box on the deep dive?
bitter socket
wrt the omen, it was already more than my friends could grok unless we took out the laser emitters early
gunner shield feels quite required now - perhaps challenging, but it is notably less friendly than the other options imo
blazing current
Haven't encountered any omen after the changes, but finally they give them an actual challenge. Omen was so easy
wary wyvern
are deep dives suppose to be that intense?
obtuse ether
They most certainly are
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trail shale
I upgraded my mole armor but i cant seem to chose a paintjob
are there no avaliable skins for it ?
dull silo
paintjobs are at the wardrobe instead of the loadout terminal
uncut raptor
^
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uncut raptor
LET'S GOOOOOOO
here's hoping the EDD is hard this week
okay
DD is in crystalline caverns
EDD is in sandblasted corridors
junior fossil
first thing on EDD is morkite + black box
junior fossil
dont worry it i... nearly fell to death
granite lantern
fuck sandblasted
all my homies hate sandblasted
junior fossil
o yeah 0/0 blackbox btw
junior fossil
on the first stage too
uncut raptor
LMAO
vital peak
Live with Deep Dives:
https://www.twitch.tv/ghostship_games
uncut raptor
it keeps happening
granite lantern
mark didnt QA the black boxes
ebon anchor
EDD?
junior fossil
yeah
junior fossil
wow I have to take a picture of where it spawned me some spitballers
elfin pond
Shield disruption slightly more worse. You have a little bit more chance to survive with shields
junior fossil
elfin pond
@junior fossil Is that supposed to be an image link?
wraith shard
Oof
obsidian gorge
now just need the EDD stage so people can look for images
junior fossil
I would have been in the 3rd stage if I wouldnt keep walking off the ledges on the 2nd stage
uncut raptor
oof
junior fossil
yeah opressors are fun there 😄
granite lantern
wholt you now owe us a stage 3 image ðŸ˜
balmy oracle
PE+dread
ebon anchor
mutators?
balmy oracle
ghost
ebon anchor
damn
balmy oracle
it's not that bad, sandblasted so there is giant amounts of room
granite lantern
i bet this is finna be my first failed solo edd with engi 😔
maybe i should bring scoot
balmy oracle
might as well, tons of nitra from previous stages
junior fossil
uncut raptor
finally, a challenge
junior fossil
but yeah 10 aquarq
obsidian gorge
maybe both at once ? not sure waves stop spawning after you launch minehead
junior fossil
I have bet-C too
junior fossil
well first thing rn was getting bet C
ebon anchor
friends and I are new to EDD so not sure how we gonna do this week's
granite lantern
bruh betc
this stage 3 will be pure ass to solo
@junior fossil can you send me an image of the area around minehead
junior fossil
want to but my nvidia capture thingy refuses to work
but yeah haz5.5 bet-c, that was painful
still, lots of places to fall on stage 3 so becareful from the massive holes
wraith shard
Not bad
elfin pond
Bait dreadnought to ghost dreadnought and make the ghost perform an attack
in 3rd edd
junior fossil
I just had bet-C sit back and shoot at the dread while I kited it with stickyflames
wraith shard
Lol
So, gonna have fun tonight
Just gonna blast through both with a group and see how it goes.
junior fossil
the 2nd stage is proly gonna be a massive swarm at the start if you have a group
granite lantern
@blazing current It also has a BETC
obsidian gorge
lol, just remembered you can't launch mine head without killing Dread / doing secondary mission
graceful dock
the EDD this week isnt oke q-q
ebon anchor
yeah I failed the last stage
don't think I am clearing this week's
gonna try again though
junior fossil
this weeks edd broke my legs from the falls
granite temple
last week's EDD hurt with the dread in the tiny tunnel
but I'm seeing PE/Dread with haunted on stage 3 this week
oh boy
white sandal
in last week's EDD you could have just pulled it back to the drop room if space was a difficulty
granite lantern
okay uh
where tf is the morkite in edd stage 1
im restarting the run solely cause im unsatisfied with the time lol
blazing current
Is it one of those 151 available morkites out of 150 required again 
granite lantern
going to stage 3 with almost no ammo and only 1 ressuppy
...fuck
this is where i die and lose the 100% success rate
junior fossil
dw there is plenty of nitra on stage 3
little cove
Everyone talking about the BETC, no one talking about the ass drop pod location
lofty dove
ebon anchor
I mean you are on solo
granite lantern
look at that time lmao https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662538876241575968/725771680571457596/unknown.png
at least i did it
granite lantern
breach cutter
run around the general area with the minehead and all the way back to the low area nearby that has the glyphid tunnels
nuke the dread and run back to minehead
mostly let bosco handle the aquarqs
ebon anchor
oh
little cove
Bosco saved the day
granite lantern
ye
ebon anchor
so it's easier solo
little cove
"Thanks, Bosco!"
granite lantern
not on this edd
/s more like
10
honestly the state 3 wasnt the hardest part
i fucked up badly so i had troubles in stage 2 and got to no revives left
i only got downed once in stage 3 i think
ebon anchor
gonna try again tomorrow
little cove
Spawn downed me once
granite lantern
notable
little cove
Exit was in spawn too :',(
granite lantern
not too bad
my exit was uh
you know that little gap somewhere around the general area of the minehead
like, opposite to the spawn
that drops all the way down into a corner of the main cave area
it was rather generous cause i had repellant
little cove
I had to dig through a wall faster than the things that were eating me from behind
ebon anchor
no stret, I am playing with my friends
ebon anchor
group of us just started making it into EDD
granite lantern
but yea solo is definitely harder for this
i got a bit of cancer during stage 2 and 3
cancer that could have probably been avoided with nice teammates
little cove
Stage 2 is stay in spawn area and let Bosco get eggs
You can drop down to the area on the right for swarms. Nice and flat, yet elevated.
granite lantern
i dropped all the way down bruh
i dug through the dirt wall in the back
terrain scanner betrayed me
you can guess what happened
little cove
Spitballers?
granite lantern
I actually had that in the final stage of my very first elite deep dive ever actually
no i just fell all the way down lol
then i just uh
you know that corner of the cave with two eggs in an elevated ground
and in the back a tunnel that leads to one of the eggs and then a massive drop into the main cave
i dropped a supply pod then mostly hanged around there
little cove
Yeah, that's what I was talking about
granite lantern
nah i didnt drop down in there
i dropped more or less in the middle
it was pretty good actually
i succesfully '' calculated '' the drop pod would spawn on the other end of the main cave if i was in the tunnel as i called the pod
which was nice
little cove
It put the exit in the spawn area for me
Easy run to
granite lantern
definitely my hardest edd so far
wasnt the spawn area like all the way up there
how did you cllimb your way up
little cove
I'm a gunner
little cove
Zip Zoom
little cove
I only had one spawn on me
little cove
Very thankful for that, as I was abusing ziplines to save myself from everything below
granite lantern
i couldnt hit them cause who brings stronger plasma current l oo ol
i didnt miss a zipline in there
i found the starting area actually pretty generous
if not for the pretty dangerous spawn which one could fall into again
little cove
How'd you handle the BETC?
granite lantern
i didnt ran around a lot, she lost me for a good bit
mostly tried to bc her health away
after a while she was near the spawn and i just kinda yoloed her with my stubby
i got downed to her because sandstorm
it makes bombs unavoidable lul
little cove
I didn't wake it up.
Not enough reward for the risk.
granite lantern
i didnt even wake it up intentionally
little cove
That's what I was scared of doing.
granite lantern
after some point in the first swarm i just got kinda oblivious to her existence and then acidentally walked into her
little cove
The hoarder just chilled near mine head all mission
granite lantern
i didnt notice the hoarder was there for half the mission
wraith shard
Anyone up for a deep dive? I play scout or gunner usually
halcyon scarab
@wraith shard I will if you want, im trying to work on my engineer a little bit.
wraith shard
Alright, your NA right?
halcyon scarab
NA East, yes
wraith shard
okay
halcyon scarab
But I dont mind playing EU or anything whatever works best
halcyon scarab
Sure, I can Ill hook up a ethernet cord, so ping wont be all over the placr
wraith shard
Alright
halcyon scarab
Also to let you know mic aint working atm, but I can still type in game and stuff
halcyon scarab
Also my Steam name is DRG Main
halcyon scarab
No worries, it'll work out
wraith shard
Okay I asked to join
mossy monolith
Is black box like a salvage uplink (stand near it for 2 mins) and then go on yer merry way?
livid vale
Yeah
mossy monolith
I've not once seen it.
wraith shard
@livid vale We got another freebie yeah
celest sluice
Lol
uncut raptor
most of the discussion in here for this week is going to be "hey did anyone else get the 0/0 black box for the edd?"
wintry kiln
oh no
haunted cave?
I actually didn't get 0/0 for the black box last week, I still had to do it
slow ivy
That happened last week too on stage 1 of the regular dive? At least on mine a few other people said so
obsidian gorge
should be stage 3, stage 1 didn't even had that iirc
slow ivy
Couldn't remember which stage but it did happen
junior fossil
stage one of the elite dive
halcyon scarab
@wraith shard thanks for playing was fun we gotta report that bug tho lol
halcyon scarab
bug discussion i think
wraith shard
ok
halcyon scarab
yes it is
wraith shard
sounds good
halcyon scarab
btw u gonna be on later, bc imma be grinding lol?
wraith shard
Yea sure, im down to try the EDD
I'll be on in like 20-40, because im just going to eat lunch
wraith shard
elite deep dive
wraith shard
alright lol
halcyon scarab
Lmk when your on whenever your done otherwise, ROCK and STONE
wraith shard
ROCK N STONE
atomic birch
Anyone got the EDD mission info for this week please?
Thanks
obsidian gorge
you can usually get info on that by looking for "has: image in: deep-dive-discussion"
atomic birch
Mission Failed ^ didn't work
vapid monolith
Damn this edd stage two blows
white sandal
lethal enemies is always a time
granite lantern
just you wait till stage 3
white sandal
yeah i saw the roadmap
im stoked
i mean i cant imagine its that bad lol
i havent seen a haunted pe and dread in ages but meh
uncut raptor
did the edd with a friend, that was a very intense game
glad to say that it's been one of the harder EDDs we've had recently
granite lantern
i think that was my hardest edd so far
white sandal
really?
granite lantern
ye
granite lantern
it was a pretty rough road and my time was absolutely terrible, i got downed a lot to cheese some speed with revive ivul too
white sandal
and rn its going swimmingly
granite lantern
but my 100% success rate has been mantained
stage 1 is ok
i struggled with stage 2 cause i went thru the dirt wall without looking and fell to my death
granite lantern
and then acidentally rushed the eggs too hard
it was a massive oof
9 downs and 45+ minutes loool
white sandal
ah solo
granite lantern
solo stage 3 is p a i n
white sandal
constant kiting loool
white sandal
i rarely play solo nowadays
i can do solo edd but eh
not fun
i like to at least have a buddy when i do it
tough sluice
i was looking to get this game, im getting L4D vibes from it, is it worth it now that it's 25% off?
white sandal
most people here will agree that it's worth it at full price
tough sluice
im gonna try to sell it to some of my friends so we can play as a full team, thanks!
white sandal
granite lantern
I find solo edd fun
cedar zinc
man, EDD is brutal this week
white sandal
i take it back
granite lantern
@white sandal how was the run
granite lantern
wow 50 minutes
odd comet
Half that was in the last mission
odd comet
Took us 10 minutes to kill the stinking dread
granite lantern
dull silo
Struggled with dread too, was spacing out and only opened the egg after the second wave. was basically constantly swamped in mooks as i kited it around
should've bee lined too it the moment I landed
was fun though, felt a lot more rewarding than the last few weeks of EDDs
atomic birch
What are the EDD stages please?
celest sluice
Scroll up, they're posted in here
obsidian gorge
you can usually get info on that by looking for has: image in: deep-dive-discussion
atomic birch
That did not work earlier when I asked ^
dull silo
It's morkite, eggs morkite, aquarqs dread
odd comet
technically a black box on stage 1, but it's got the same bug as last week where it doesn't spawn
granite lantern
Stage 2 and 3 are kinda 👀
wraith shard
I'm just gonna wait to do the EDD again on sunday
Today was a bust.
Chilled out though with the regular DD, that was quite enjoyable.
I guess the devs listened to all of us saying it was too easy though
wraith shard
rn?
If you don't mind waiting then on sunday when I have more time.
I have all day then so I can do that first thing
granite lantern
its whatever
drowsy spruce
What's this week's dives?
heavy oriole
apparently hard
wraith shard
1st mission is a freebie black box on EDD
2nd mission is the cliffside massacre
3rd mission is the haunted slaughter
drowsy spruce
Cliff side massacre like last week's magama core ?
regal mango
i’ve attempted the EDD twice and died falling at the beginning of the second stage both times....off opposite sides of the cliff
uneven cosmos
did they buff regular DD? Did it duo and it was like a haz 2.5. I know enemies scale with players but was a walk in the park
obsidian gorge
nothing changed
uneven cosmos
stupidly easy
deft kite
@uneven cosmos enemies do scale with player number
if you run a dd or edd with 2 or solo it's usually a lot easier if terrain gen isn't horrible
like most of the "very hard edd" are in crappy biome with hard terrain gen and "harder" modifier
usually people will struggle a lot more when the edd is on fungus,glacial,magma and the modifier are lethal, ghost,o2
people generally avoid playing these and generally avoid dealing with anything 3-3 in those biome with these modifier
it's just forming habits really
a lot of people struggle with dreads too but can generally handle it on first try if it isn't haz 5 or 5.5
waxen mist
uh oh
UH OH
haunted cave PE in the last stage of the EDD
yep, the RNG was building up for the past month or so
obsidian gorge
are the aquarqs too far away ?
lime jay
heavy oriole
ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
slender moon
this EDD was hell, the hardest thing I've done so far in this game
so rewarding to finish tho, even if it's for a cosmetic core
bitter socket
has it reset yet?
heavy oriole
Yah
Section 1; easy peasy lemon squeezy
Section 2; cliffs of death, with pits of trawlers
Section 3; death with pits of death
faint oracle
I like the false sense of security this EDD gives. First two missions you're just thinking 'Sandblasted corridors EDD is easy as heck!' and then you land into the third mission and have to get a donut cushion whether you beat it or not
granite lantern
sandblasted corridors were never easy as heck
RNG sandstorms, sand tunnels blowing the hecc out of you, trawlers, lots of honeycombs too
and as a bonus, it loves to make particulary fucked up map generations
unique pawn
Is the snowball OC worth it to deal with groups of macteras in DDs ? Or it's like.. too specific to justify the cost in ammo
wraith shard
this week edd was pretty easy but can imagine ppl will fail on stage 2
granite lantern
it wasnt easy
at least on solo
comparatively it was harder than all others in the past like 2 months
junior fossil
well, how many people died to fall damage on the 2nd stage?
wraith shard
i bet alot lol
junior fossil
that is kinda the point...
static hound
I saw a group of level 20s-50s fall to the pit in EDD a bunch of times
granite lantern
ppl shouldnt rush anyway
@wraith shard gotta get that good time bro
anyways stage 3 was kinda ass solo
solo haunted cave is always ass
i died the most in s2 tho so i could abuse ivulberability to go faster
still shit time
sly turret
Please tell me dead players also receive Matrix Core for 3rd stage of EDD
I got a mini nam flashback today playing EDD this week
Felt bad for the engies whose became suicide squad spamming the very last purple beams onto the dreadnought
Me as scout can't be risked anymore to revive them while running around the map
While at the very unfortunate time the sandstorm occurs, lost track of HC, not to mentioned how much I exhaustingly tired playing EDD repeatedly 5 times today
slow ivy
They do. As long as one dwarf makes it into the drop pod the mission is a success and everyone gets the rewards for it, including assignment objectives and matrix cores.
sly turret
@slow ivy Oh thank god
I was very nope.jpg and went outside after EDD
I can feel the very adrenaline rush running through my veins
slow ivy
You only get a small credit bonus for each dwarf in the pod, so you don't lose too much.
granite lantern
EDD STAGES
Sandblasted Corridors
Stage 1 : Morkite and Black Box ( 0/0 Black Box bug )
Stage 2 : Eggs + Morkite w/ Lethal Enemies
Stage 3 : Point Extraction + Dreadnoughts w/ Haunted
@sonic topaz
honest tide
they fixed the black box bug, so it actually appears now
wraith shard
thank god i did edd before hotfix was released lol
heavy oriole
sits and stares at incomplete final stage of EDD
kicks barrels
lofty wing
so for sandblasted, is it a good idea to stick to driller tunnels
cause it sounds like edxtraction hell
heavy oriole
It’s not a bad idea. I don’t recommend ziplines too much, we had many zip line related fall deaths.
fair amount of mactera over huuuge drops, and on the bottom of the drops is trawlers
Specially the second map
a major problem we had, is when a party member wasn’t at the same Z level as us, it was borderline impossible getting them back
wraith shard
@granite lantern i dont mean experienced players
dull silo
Sticking to driller tunnels sound like a lot of extra time to navigate the map
heavy oriole
You might be right, but getting down those cliffs is dangerous
I’m not exactly a good player though
dull silo
eh, if you have to redo the EDD you have the advantage of knowing the cave layout, should help a lot finding your way down safely
obsidian gorge
killing all of the grunts on stage 2 with a C4 was fun
junior fossil
as I mentioned before, stage 2 has lots of fall related death... esp when you start getting oppressors and sand sharks
slender moon
stage 2:
- clear swarm immediately out of the pod (lure existing mactera if they're not coming so they don't bother you when climbing down later)
- create bunker/engie base if possible while you mine all the nitra and morkite on the top
- from the big cliff, snipe the 2 spitballers
- once all that is done, descend using driller's tunnels or pancakes
- at the bottom you can now collect all the eggs sequentially, and there shouldn't be any major problems from there except being aware of spawning bulks.
Take it slow and don't rush the eggs, there's plenty of nitra in the EDD, enough to start stage 3 with enough for 3 or 4 supply drops
granite lantern
^ that all goes to shit when people get jebaited by the level gen fucking up the dirt wall in the back
obsidian gorge
I am starting stage 3 with only 31 nitra
dull silo
Oof
junior fossil
well there is lots of nitra in the 3rd stage
but... bet-c, ghost... yeah that is fun
dull silo
there is, but theres also a lot of pressure to finish it fast
obsidian gorge
failure
junior fossil
sad times
obsidian gorge
blank and weapon cores though
junior fossil
I still wonder if I go again would I be able to beat my time of 41mins
I mean it is likely but the dive this week is terrible
obsidian gorge
how did you guys handle EDD stage 3 ?
being careless on DD was fun
dull silo
i had 240 nitra when i dropped in
that smoothes over a lot of mistakes
i advocate farming extra nitra whenever you think stage 3 might be a pain
heavy oriole
Failed on stage 3 too
obsidian gorge
didn't want to lose time on stage 1 due to it being morkite, for stage 2 had to get 2 supply pods, not sure I got every nitra on the big chamber , too dark
heavy oriole
stage 3 we had more than enough Nitra, but downed players kept getting trapped by biggy spooks
I was down for like 3 min straight without a revive next to the minehead
obsidian gorge
I like when there is a lot of space around the mine head, easier to maneuver
granite lantern
how did you guys handle EDD stage 3 ?
being careless on DD was fun
@obsidian gorge i had one ressuply left so i popped it there
I was almost out of ammo after the first swarm and i was alone
heavy oriole
As an engineer, does shooting the bug repellant on the ground while running away make the enemy pathing towards you a bit slower?
Like if I make a grid
granite lantern
I mostly faced the swarms running around the general area and all the way back down that hill to the swarmer tunnels
I mostly let bosco handle aquarqs
for nitra i grabbed the one back there near swarmer tunnels and another close to spawn, i wasnt sure if i could get the ones high up thr wall
but somewhat above spawn near an aquarq there are two big veins
i was solo so i had to hurry the dread, i just looked at the dread's direction from the minehead with the horror near me and rushed asap to the dread through the left
nuked him with BC and returned, had to dodge horror on the way back
I recommend killing betc when you can before it fucks you up in unfortunate times
My toughest solo edd so far
obsidian gorge
had a first stage death due to falling on the void, EDD
solemn pulsar
Wow EDD was fun, harder than usual
junior fossil
I had fun falling to my death 😄
granite lantern
solo + haunted cave + PE + betc is a painful combination
obsidian gorge
well stage 1 -> don't really like blackbox, had to die 2-3 times there, stage 2 -> lots of fun, enjoyed doing it , stage 3 -> barely started it, didn't even know what to do first
dull silo
stage 3: rush the dread so you can deal with it without waves
solemn pulsar
We did dread right after the first wave ended. I feel like that's the safest way to handle things.
obsidian gorge
what about betc
solemn pulsar
I didn't have a betc
They're random on DDs
Might depend on the number of players and a few other factors
obsidian gorge
I would think it is on player number, but random ?? odd
odd comet
^ Static spawns like BET-Cs, spitballers, breeders, etc. are tied to player count in DD/EDD
obsidian gorge
hue
granite lantern
I had a BETC even though i was alone
obsidian gorge
they said "we", so...
solemn pulsar
I had a 3 man team, no BETC this week on the EDD
granite lantern
I know spits and breeders and etc are player count but betc is new
i had betc even tho i was alone
this edd hates solo players smh my head
obsidian gorge
so I guess it won't appear for 4 players, but what about 2 ?
static hound
Heh either the EDD is too easy or its too difficult for people
Also in my solo run, betc did spawn
heavy oriole
I mean, it the EDD is pinnacle of current game difficulty, I’d hope it’s more often too difficult
wraith shard
Stage 1 of the regular deep dive has the tightest holes I've ever seen.
tulip ocean
Almost lost my first dd to fall damage 😬
knotty rampart
Happens
bold wolf
Keep failing to complete the EDD, first attempt I had a good team but disconnected on stage 3 after all objectives were done, 2nd attempt we had a scout who wouldn't do his job and failed on stage 2, 3rd attempt team was decent, got to stage 3 but someone prematurely activated the dreadnought in the middle of a wave and that went poorly, 4th attempt just now couldn't find a 4th player then gunner left part way through 1st stage with no explaination and then scout got grabbed by a mectera, taken through the terrain and ceased to exist 😩
fallow spruce
edd hard but ez 😄
regal mango
How do you solo stage 3? I’ve never done haunted cave without someone to kite it before. Bet-c didnt help.....
granite lantern
How do you solo stage 3? I’ve never done haunted cave without someone to kite it before. Bet-c didnt help.....
@regal mango eliminate the betc when you can
theres plenty of room to run around, the horror is not a big problem
i recommend going there with at least one ressuply of nitra in stock. Find and use the veins near ground level for another
let bosco handle most of the aquarq'ing
when its time for a dread, do it after a swarm. Run straight from the high ground area near the general area of the minehead all the way to the dread, preferably sticking to the left, and try to nuke him asap. I highly recommend Engineer for this
I mean, it the EDD is pinnacle of current game difficulty, I’d hope it’s more often too difficult
@heavy oriole honestly i struggle more with a single tyrant weed than the entirety of edd usually
fallow spruce
if u want to do EDD good setup is : 2 gunners , eng ,scout . About gunners 1 with mini 2nd with AC , eng BC proxy , scout whatever but cryo on zhukovs helps team 🙂
bold wolf
Finally got it done on the 5th try with a ragtag crew who struggled along even on stag 1 which none of the other groups had any problem with, but as we chewed through nitra and slowly worked our way through we got there in the end
granite lantern
if u want to do EDD good setup is : 2 gunners , eng ,scout . About gunners 1 with mini 2nd with AC , eng BC proxy , scout whatever but cryo on zhukovs helps team 🙂
for this EDD i think one of each is a better idea
leave scout with a gk2, ifg and boomstick for being more self sustainable while baiting the horror
driller's map shaping will be extremely handy in stage 3 for easier dread access and so the spawn doesnt suck
engi gotta nuke the dread and gunner gotta place the sandstorm shields
dull silo
gotta agree with stret on this one, driller is really helpful between shaping terrain and digging for aquarqs fast while under pressure. If you ever went double class I'd actually cut gunner before any other class
static hound
yeah if you can separate the horror far enough from everyone else it will stick to one target too
full arrow
this week's EDD... oh my god
just... no
i want those OCs but it's not worth the final mission
i'll take #1 and #2 but that third one combines everything horrible into one map
well, i guess it could be a lava map...
worldly burrow
so my team attempted our first elite dive last night after doing the regular deep dive. Man we got over whelmed and just couldn't find nitra
obsidian gorge
which stage ?
worldly burrow
stage one
we def got overwhelmed
we got the black box done easy, I must have drilled a million holes looking for the last bit of morkite. Our scout couldn't find any either
obsidian gorge
I remember running past the box to get more nitra, but dont remember any problems for morkite
worldly burrow
we cleared the open area after the event but just no morkite. Then we attempted to go back to the spawn to fine another route and well we got owned
obsidian gorge
someone probably walked on some morkite and since the map is shared everyone thought it was explored
worldly burrow
possibility for sure, will be better prepared next time. We def need to edit our loadouts and perks for that
wraith shard
Could anyone accompany me in my first EDD?
worldly burrow
depends on when
frosty jacinth
so me and my friend wants to get the game but he doesnt know if hes gonna buy it during this sale should i buy it now and play a bit without him or wait for him to buy it?
worldly burrow
id buy it now its really worth it
dull silo
this game does one thing really well: even if you play with new players on a lower difficulty, you still get relevant rewards (just marginally less than if you'd play on higher difficulty). as a result, you can just pick up with your friend whenever he gets it even if you start now
frosty jacinth
i have been waiting for a sale on the game but i want to play it with my firend so idk if i should wait for him. oh does the game require people to be diffrent classes or can u mix and match?
@dull silo ohhh sweet
obsidian gorge
mix and match, also you have to promote to unlock deep dives
worldly burrow
you can be 4 gunners if you wanted to
dull silo
its an option decided by host if you force everyone to be a unique class or not. you can play with double classes but generally having 1 of each is a good choice
obsidian gorge
and you can only play the dive with the promoted class so there is that too, so if you want to play with someone else everyone needs promotion
frosty jacinth
so what kind of rewards do u get? i assume this game is sotra like Earth Defense Force but with random maps and mining
obsidian gorge
blank matrix cores , weapon OC, and cosmetic OC
you can only get the rewards once per week
dull silo
for the majority of the game you collect minerals, exp and credits, all of which pay to unlock new upgrades. Later on you can do a once a week "endgame" mission that unlocks the strongest weapon upgrades, as well as the coolest looking beards
worldly burrow
I have 2 blank matrix cores how do I use them
obsidian gorge
you have to find machine events in regular missions
worldly burrow
dang odds of those appearing?
obsidian gorge
1/4
worldly burrow
I will take those odds
obsidian gorge
mind that you can fail the events and not be able to use the cores
frosty jacinth
how many diffrent mission types are there?
obsidian gorge
6 , each deep dive stage you get 2 of them