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#deep-dive-discussion
clever fern
you become super stronk for 12 seconds the ndie
shield link is super nice tho since its like a mini gunner shield
that recharges
verbal wagon
How are the DD/EDD this week
quiet wyvern
DD is easy, haven't tried EDD yet
I've been told it's easy, if your a Haz 5 regular, which I am trying to work on atm
reef shoal
i only play haz3 and edd was ez except stage 2 uplink, but iron will saved us
we were driller (iw+field medic) and scout (field medic plus shield link)
peak glacier
Deep dive was super easy this time around
Critical weakness on phase 2 as well
So bound to be easy
Got the 45 minute achievement from it, too
With 7 mins to spare
sleek anchor
Yo, is there a way to refund perk points, I bought some stuff I hate :p
feral atlas
revert to a prior save
sleek anchor
you can do that!? How? :3
feral atlas
this is the wrong channel to ask
sleek anchor
Oh, my b. Direct me to the right chat please lol
quiet wyvern
that help a lot, tks pal
wraith shard
you’re welcome perserverence and determination are your friends
if you get knocked down simply get back up again
wraith shard
bold strategy
celest oasis
Failed a edd 50mins in on last mission, 4 dwarf
Bunker hard on 2nd mission, ignore bet-c on 1st mission
Dreadnaught meleed everyone to death fun lol
Toons of leeches on 2nd one
I miss using iron will to revive ppl :(
Field medic should be instant revive not hold to use ugh
Press E > one lmb only needed
Instead I get one shot by dread as Im trying to do it
Just bs edd rn
Solo it save yourself the hassle
brisk leaf
This EDD is either solo or premade.
Even in solo I died like 5 times. The most deaths in solo EDD I ever had.
celest oasis
Did you ignore bet c as well?
brisk leaf
I had no bet-c in solo.
celest oasis
We tried to do it one run, but it annihilates everyone
Weird we had it spawn every time with 4 dwarf
It was on first mission of EDD
Oh well managed to get mission 1 and two of edd done
Mehh...
brisk leaf
Were you able to solo it though?
brisk leaf
If teammates are bad - easier, but without old IW it is still BS, IW used to save a lot of lives in solo because of resupply revive.
celest oasis
Mainly I used old IW to get people up
Unless youre the gunner or scout its impossible to chain res
Its plain ridiculous
So if scout and gunner is dead gl ressing them
celest oasis
Yeah
last veldt
what time?
celest oasis
Its extremely hard with 4 dwarves to say the least
It reset like 12 hrs ago I think
I dont think Ill be touching edd again until this bs is fixed
I think dd should be doable tho
@brisk leaf did you manage to solo this weeks edd?
Any tips lol :/
brisk leaf
Bulks in second stage can be quite a cancer though, I had 2 at the refueling when played with randoms, they spawned with like 1 minute delay or even less.
brisk leaf
I played Scout, beastmaster+berzerker, M1000+boomstick+pheromones, my usual EDD setup except new perks.
brisk leaf
Spamming resupply and pheromones is the way.
celest oasis
What new perks did you take?
Passives*
So far im liking sw, thorns and deep.pockets
brisk leaf
Beastmaster is good because pet does quite a lot of damage, but it doesn't aggro.
passive perks: deep pockets , thorns, vampire.
celest oasis
Ocs im not sure for scout , hbu?
limber storm
cleans ocs are good for m1k
celest oasis
Hmm i guess sw is not as good on scout?
brisk leaf
OCs: Minimal Clips, Stuffed Shells.
celest oasis
Im hoping sw gets fixed somehow... Losing speed is :/
brisk leaf
With hipfire build for m1000 and ammo build for boomstick.
celest oasis
Might just remove the perk for now , seems useless
Does vampire and bezerker proc crazy healing?
Do you take aoe mod on pixace?
brisk leaf
I take damage, and mostly took berzerker because found nothing else to be of big use.
I found that it can do quite a lot of damage though.
last veldt
is this week's EDD the same as last week?
celest oasis
Interesting might give that a go
@last veldt no its different
Cave leech on mission 2 and mactera mission3
brisk leaf
I was able to take like 1/4 of dread's health with berzerker.
last veldt
oh
celest oasis
How does dread not one shot you as you melee it lol
last veldt
mactera instead of low 02
brisk leaf
He roars giving some time and turns not that fast, have to kite him.
brisk leaf
Probably.
celest oasis
I think mission 2 is extremely hard
Only bunker saved us rofl
Yeah... :/
Stage 1 was rough ye
brisk leaf
Stage 3 was harder for me, mactera are very strong in big groups.
distant steppe
The Mactera were merciful for my group in stage 3, was a welcome reprieve from previous weeks what with no longer having Iron Will proper.
Stage 2 ended up being the most stressful due to terrain and massive waves.
brisk leaf
Mactera are easier for groups, but solo they are hard.
distant steppe
We bunkered the last objective (at my request) because we were 50 minutes in and had done everything else and didn't want to repeat.
celest oasis
Good dwarf 
distant steppe
But everything else was vanilla, essentially.
celest oasis
Iyo what perks work best for edd rn?
distant steppe
4 dwarf stage 1, scout left stage 2.
distant steppe
BET-C wasn't a problem, dealt with it rather easily with a competent gunner.
brisk leaf
I personally wouldn't take any team base perks right now, they are a pain to use.
last veldt
betc only lasts the mission its in
distant steppe
I ditched Iron Will for Field Medic and Shield Link.
last veldt
so doesn't go between multiple EDD stages
distant steppe
I'm wondering the same. Not sure, but probably not, as I think it counts as a single-stacking buff.
The overcharge is really nice, though.
While also being pretty fairly balanced at the same time.
celest oasis
Is there any way to clutch revive as a engie or driller?
Or im forced to use up my field medic revive or use iron will?
Cause i feel its impossible rn
On edd anyhows
distant steppe
I mean, clutch revives can still be a thing for any class. It's just different now without Iron Will in play.
celest oasis
Cause I feel if gunner and scout is dead and a giant wave is on you, its pretty much game over now
Bar already using up iw or fm charge
distant steppe
At the risk of sounding like FeelZe"E"xcitement, that sounds like you need a better Driller.
distant steppe
With Iron Will out of play, I'm of the opinion that a Driller with sticky flame slowdown is much more valuable now.
distant steppe
Most of the Scouts I've seen today are still playing as if they have the old Iron Will. Takes some getting used to.
distant steppe
I don't really use my C4, so I can't really say.
celest oasis
Hmmm
distant steppe
I'm overly mindful of friendly fire.
Same reason I refuse to use the nuclear option on PGL
celest oasis
I feel fatboy is kinda hard to use yea
distant steppe
Only thing C4 has ever done for me is clear terrain and down me via friendly fire.
celest oasis
Most of the time ppl end up walking into it
distant steppe
Fatboy is easy to use, but it's hard to use without also severely draining your team's shields.
last veldt
for stage 2, i think you need to clear out the back of the 2nd uplink
its just covered in vines so its hard to see where enemies are
distant steppe
To some degree, yes.
celest oasis
Shamelessly my team just bunkers for both uplink and fuel line
Worked a charm hah...
distant steppe
I try to clear vines in general, so I pretty much agree by default. 🙂
last veldt
can you use the flamethrower to clear vines?
or do you just have to dig/mine the ceiling
distant steppe
Hey, go for it. Valid strat when in positions where it works.
Nah, just digging. Though single hits can do so as well if you hit the right spots.
Oh, also, gravity works again for black boxes.
distant steppe
Only if it comes after fixing the wall hacks, corner hacks, inside your hitbox hacks, and facespawning of the bugs as it stands right now.
celest oasis
Haha
distant steppe
In terms of quality of life, it's pretty low on my list.
celest oasis
Bug balancing should be addressed asap
distant steppe
Rolling back the ledge grab update would also be appreciated before flames & vines interacting.
celest oasis
As well as those mentioned terrain bugs
Looks at PE mining rig and bug hitting you through it 
distant steppe
I'd first look at PE mining rig spawning bugs out of it. 😛
distant steppe
Yep, had that. In my face while I was carrying an Aquarq, too.
Though I do have to say, more stressful than that is teammates who don't know that popping eggs spawns waves/swarms.
It feels like we've had a lot of new players in the game recently, and an increased population having a lack of game knowledge has been a bit frustrating.
celest oasis
So as I understand it , popping the first egg triggers a wave right?
What about the other eggs/timers/waves?
distant steppe
Nope. Every egg will trigger either a wave or a swarm.
distant steppe
Yeah. That's led to a few EDD wipes for me, but it's true in general.
Even in non-dive stages.
celest oasis
Interesting
Is best tactic to pull out several eggs at once?
But wont this overlap waves?
distant steppe
It's luck of the draw, too. Same egg in the same level can spawn a wave in one attempt and a swarm in another.
And yes, everything stacks.
I've twice been part of a team-wipe due to a driller happily mining 3 eggs in less than half a minute.
celest oasis
Lol
distant steppe
Both times the team lead's reaction was "well, fuck."
The rest of us knew we'd essentially wiped, but played it out anyway.
slate pine
Anyone else having huge trouble since the perk changes?
distant steppe
Just the Iron Will nerf and the arbitrary forced choice between specific perks.
celest oasis
I miss iw terribly
distant steppe
My only attempt at the regular dive this week, the host quit after beating stage 1.
celest oasis
Can probably adjust but i cant adjust how other ppl play
distant steppe
Yeah, that was my fear as well.
celest oasis
Was good for reviving ppl when they made mistakes
distant steppe
A good gunner is probably MVP this week, just for save revives.
celest oasis
:/
distant steppe
Yeah, I was playing extra careful in the EDD because I'd essentially built my playstyle around trading myself out for team benefit via Iron Will.
celest oasis
Ye shield is a blessing
Also pheromone is like must take always now
Which is kinda ehhhhh
distant steppe
It's difficult to unlearn that behavior.
celest oasis
Im hoping iron will gets a cooldown on refresh
Maybe 5-10min cd
Then at least theres s o m e leeway on mistakes
slate pine
I almost soloed it but then I fell through the floor during black box and teleported to the other side of a dirt wall
distant steppe
I mean, even just having an extra charge per extra level of the perk would go a long way towards making it not garbage at this point.
slate pine
1 each
celest oasis
Its pretty garbage indeed rn
slate pine
too bad they didn't fix the permanent IFG on beastmaster bug before they released
slate pine
if you charm a steeve inside of IFG, it is permanently slowed
distant steppe
As opposed to the regular Steeve, who is... still kinda lazy, honestly.
slate pine
ifg mostly for max-dps SMG builds
celest oasis
Is guard steeve any good
Can I have more than one steeve charmed?
Or only one lol
distant steppe
Only one.
celest oasis
Or slasher steeve lol
brisk leaf
Slasher steeve is for scout solo, anything other that that I would prefer taking guard.
celest oasis
Interesting how come?
distant steppe
Is there a Steeve that'll sit in my hitbox like other bugs? Because the Steeve I want is the one that claims that position for itself and defends me from such BS.
brisk leaf
Scout won't kill his Slasher for sure, while any other class can easily kill him, so it is better to take Guard that won't die.
celest oasis
Thats an interesting idea
I'll try that lol steeve is best bodyguard now
Is guard steeve still purple?
Green beards confuse slasher steeve for web spitter 
brisk leaf
Yep, he's always purple.
celest oasis
:/
clever crest
we've went 4 steeves for the regular dive, they're all purple and you can't tell which one's whose.
celest oasis
What color would steve need to be to not be confused?
Like bright neon yellow? 
Hmmm
Maybe bright neon color to the class who charmed him
Red = engie etc
wraith shard
just give him an outline
timber grove
3 wipes now on edd 2 fuel rod defense, idk why we just get overrun and can't reclear. Thinking of trying solo
shut sierra
Yeah, I've only beaten the second stage twice
the acid-spitter spam is disgusting
and you can even clutch rez anymore with them basically removing iron will
It was fine as is
vocal bronze
No it wasnt
wraith shard
iron will makes bad situations survivable unless you somehow get seperated or yeeted by a shellback
it may have been forgivable if it only cooled down while you weren't incapacitated
but otherwise you can just run around chaining revives and nothing can touch you
timber grove
So far solo is much easier. Gunner Bosco steeve dream team.
And elephant rounds do a disgusting chunk to dread butts when their hp isn't super scaled
limber storm
slasher is the most efficient
as long as the driller keeps his flames to himself
its very good on scout since you might fight a bit further away from the team avoiding more ff
celest oasis
Bbq steeve :(
fleet wraith
what are the specs of yesterdays new EDD?
bitter garnet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/127087164046573568/672468789480390673/unknown.png @fleet wraith
fleet wraith
thx
frail zodiac
well its DD, its pretty hard to fuck it up
glossy matrix
I'm on stage 2 of the regular Deep Dive, and there are two depleted resupply pods already here for some reason.
glossy matrix
It's a Salvage Mission, so like narratively it makes sense.
bitter garnet
This EDD is killing me - Not because it's hard, but because the golden bulk and his near900gold value that everyone wants to dig for some reason.
crimson arch
EDD
gold
choose one
hollow arch
Wait are the golden bulks actually real? I thought it was some kind of mod or something
odd comet
Just imagine though
Golden Bulk + Pots of Gold
That'd be like 5 missions worth of credits
willow salmon
Nothing impossible for a Dirt Digger 
frail zodiac
lul more like dirt eater
odd comet
I mean, you'd just have one guy standing in the center of the crater
dumping into molly
while everyone else mines the gold and lets it rain down on him
celest oasis
interesting I watched some of the devs playing the new EDD on the linked stream
is three dwarf alot easier than 4?
🤔
how about duo?
frail zodiac
duo is ez af if youre both good tbh
umbral nest
Hey bois
anyone found the broken supply pods yet?
I realy want to know how they work
Me and the science team cant figure it out yet
Aka my friends
celest oasis
ye I saw a few in sand pits
you just go up to them and press E to fix
then you can grab some ammo from them
golden gazelle
Just free supply pod?
celest oasis
p much its rng spawn
umbral nest
They spaz out and i cant grab ammo from them in time tho
celest oasis
they get marked on scanner if you get close to one
celest oasis
idk my team mates grabbed the ammo I think xD
open mason
midnight spindle
Just me or are spawn rates for stage 2 a little high?
heavy torrent
How do you reach EDDs while still being completely clueless about what’s going on around you
Also I like the cave leeches that spawn in the air. Wouldn’t mind having a normal enemy like that.
thorny geyser
bumble into victory through chance and sheer dumb luck
wraith shard
the entry level for EDD’s is still low
you get rank 20 smoothbrains who have only played driller since they started and have slower reflexes then roadkill
timber grove
@celest oasis I think solo might be easier than duo because Bosco is amazing
Especially on aquarq. Point at a blue light in the ceiling, 1 minute later Bosco brings you a big blue crystal
valid river
which perks are people using in the new system?
valid river
it's actually good? I thought it was just a meme
thorny geyser
guard steeve is almost immortal, you can nuke him and he still keeps on rocking
its not exactly most efficient, but its more dps and patting him is nice
feral scarab
I've had guard steeve on solo EDD3 1v1 a dreadnought, he won while losing half health
seems gud
celest oasis
best solo perks?
wraith shard
shield link is quite strong, veteran depositor is underrated if you can stick near a MULE
midnight spindle
EDD stage 2 is a joke. Too hard.
heavy torrent
Everyone loves leeches 
wraith shard
stage 2 was dicey but we did it with a 3 man
make proper use of the invincibility items of your classes
pheremones and shields
engineer needs to appropriately throttle bugs with platforms
driller’s just kinda
there
he is great for the hordes of swamers though
his whole shtick is toasting anything medium or lighter
anything heavier he needs to either satchel if it can easily be blown up or tag it with his pointer and then ignore it
feral atlas
flamre + volatile bullets with an auto subata works
especially if you use heat radiance and get in knife fight range; the ability sets things on first quicker it seems
midnight spindle
flamre?
wraith shard
yeah agree on crispy boi
heat radience is great to keep bugs out of the zone since they get toasted
without toasting your team
feral atlas
in any case, all class can probably solo the EDD
but weak players abound, and many hasn't learned to either player without pre-nerf IW, or not waste their time on the EDD
tropic moss
celest oasis
steeve or shield link ?
exotic oxide
wraith shard
steeve is too strong vs bugs atm imo
like in terms of he seems to die to friendly fire like 90% of the time
wraith shard
that because bugs don't attack him on purpose you dingus
that makes him too strong in solo!
bosco steeve dream team of immortal teammates while you go dig
brittle fractal
sometimes bugs do attach steeve
if you tame steeve while the bug was pheroed
somehow other bug will focus on steeve
celest oasis
How do you make a new steeve if you charmed the wrong one
Do you gotta melee steeve to death until a new steeve can be made?
celest oasis
Does patting a new one remove a current steve?
wraith shard
I think so
uneven wren
celest oasis
Oh
teal flume
EDD Stage 2 droppod area is really cruel
celest oasis
The swarms are insane on stage2
No idea why they are seemingly endless as soon as you enter the big room
Barely any time to breathe while fixing the mules
teal flume
Fixing energy pods with to grabber on top got us wiped cruel devs
solar jungle
So I've just done my first deep dive and now considering elite deep dive
any tips about uh, what I should do? should I just stay away from it until I have good overclocks?
fringe kettle
if you can handle haz 5 regularly then you can handle the EDD. Otherwise I'd recommend not attempting it. You'll just get frustrated dying constantly.
sand pilot
Its heavily dependent on role you play as far as 'what to do' but plan accordingly with the mission modifiers.
fringe kettle
EDD difficulty goes something like 4.5-5-5.5
solar jungle
I regularly die last on haz5 but i don't die constantly at least lol
don't know if i'm actually useful or not
sand pilot
Also be willing to communicate with your team! I know a lot of EDD runners prefer to skip gold and go straight for objectives, and others want their drillers to bunker more often or drill down objectives.
fringe kettle
If you don't really have issues with haz 5 then you won't have many issues with the EDD assuming your teammates can handle it as well.
solar jungle
i can't really tell if my haz5's fail because of teammates or me tbh
sand pilot
Hazard 5 is still challenging for me, but i feel like EDD always throws more swarms more frequently, which causes a lot of spawns to appear at our team's feet.
So i guess EDD is alright if you want to get an easy ish blank core for finishing the first mission. I dont feel pressure when losing an EDD because sometimes bad things happen and theres no room for recovery
Tl;dr, try out EDD anyways. Ask team for advice before starting. Be a team player.
feral atlas
If you can regularly 0 - 2 down Haz5 missions with negative modifiers, you can solo EDD.
Carrying a team, that depends on objectives and modifiers.
If you'e only beating Haz5 with insta win anomalies like low grav or crit weakness, or generally win with 4/5+ downs, you're gonna have a bad time.
shut sierra
The second stage of this EDD just feels like a constant swarm
with virtually no breaks
And the third one spawns like 20+ macteras at once during the black box
versed willow
I just did it and it wasn't bad at all for me. 3 person group though.
shut sierra
Ah, might be the scaling
versed willow
Saw some huge mactera groups though.
shut sierra
I was doing the usual 4-man team
usually die on the second stage due to people splitting up
made it to the third one once, got instagibbed by having 20 or more mactera snipe you at once
feral atlas
With IW gone though, you get punished signfiicantly more for weak links being on the team.
shut sierra
or goobombers
Yeah, it was the bandaid to sort of fix some of the bullshit in the game
feral atlas
I disagree.
shut sierra
like zero-counter mobility slowdowns in magma core
feral atlas
It allowed weak players to do stupid shit and think they're playing smart.
shut sierra
Sure, at times
But I saw it mainly being used as a way to revive in a situation without burning a shield/pheramone/(or lure)
when lures weren't nerfed
feral atlas
I've tried, and failed, 2 pub EDDs this week before I just solo'd it. IW nerf wasn't the problem. Problem was and still is with the players.
shut sierra
Well, in solo you get free recharging revives every stage with bosco
feral atlas
People haven't had time to adjust to the new reality.
versed willow
For anyone who hasn't done EDD yet.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/601998545947721742/672968254070980628/unknown.png
versed willow
I got 0 downs in 3 man.
shut sierra
I might try a three-man team then
I was doing a four-man, and there's only so much you can do when it scales to four players
versed willow
I can join you if you want.
feral atlas
But if your teammate is some idiot that pops dreadnaught eggs willy nilly, then yeah you'll lose.
shut sierra
Yeaaah...
shut sierra
That's certainly for sure
versed willow
That's half the fun.
feral atlas
If you're in the mood for it.
shut sierra
Also, pod 7
versed willow
Imagine using pods for deep dives.
feral atlas
the pub playerbase will take time to adjust to the new paradigm
it'll get better over the month as the underperformers give up trying pub EDD
shut sierra
I usually try pubs, but kick anyone without a mic, or bronzies
feral atlas
this week and next week though will be especially bad
feral atlas
It's not on pre-made only yet.
But you'll probably either need to gatekeep significantly.
Or make it clear that you rule your lobby with a vice. Or play gunner/driller
both are rather more tolerant for carrying bad teams due to CC abilities
engi requires teammates to be a least a bit mediorce, since his "there's 100 bugs gunning for me and everybody is dead in a pit" plan depends on how many mines he has
gunner has shield, driller has gas and WM1
engi doesn't taking being the sole point of enemy aggro too well due to smallish mag size and limited CC
needs somebody else to be alive to divide the aggro
sand pilot
Blackbox mactera 😞
shut sierra
You have a point
it's a lot better when everyone pulls their weight
rather than carrying three people..
inner void
Sometimes even experienced players do weird stuff
Had a game where the host (a driller) decided to call in a supply pod in the spawn room to resupply his fuel. He then used this to drill a tunnel directly from the spawn room to the drop pod we were going to salvage.
shut sierra
Weird
inner void
I mean, it worked... but why?
what's wrong with the perfectly good tunnel
You also miss nitra and stuff when you do that
distant steppe
Speaking as a Driller... yeah, that's weird and not well thought through.
I've seen Drillers that will drill objective-to-objective (for no apparent reason) when there are handy caves nearby. Still haven't made sense of it.
wraith shard
Saving time
last veldt
Am I missing nitra in stage 1/2
For edd this week
Feels like we barely have enough for only 1-2 spares for the fuel supply defense in stage 2
Might try to scrounge up more before we do the uplink
celest oasis
Anyone got tips for edd mission 2 and 3?
Second mission is particularly brutal
4 dwarf scaling is insanity
frail zodiac
duo it
celest oasis
was something changed on edd? spawns seem different
celest oasis
managed to do it as 4 dwarf it was pretty hell lol
analog hamlet
Do the deep dives scale to 2, 3 or 4 players?
celest oasis
Yes they do
You get a toonn more bugs spawn on 4 dwarf than say two
Unrelated but I noticed when soloing edd bet c would not spawn on edd mission 1
But everytime I did it with 4 dwarf bet c would always spawn in the first room on a ridge
Would recommend trying to kill bet c on mission 1 as the extra firepower helps save ammo
inner void
that's random I think
the first or second week of EDD had a betsy on the second level when I played with a aprty
when I went back to try it solo as a challenge I got a betsy on the first level instead and no betsy on the second one. Not sure why it works that way because everything is set-seed
idle timber
1-2 and 3-4 players have differents statics spawn like bet-c huuli,...
idle timber
so if if u solo'd the DD u get the same statics as duo
in last week normal DD the first pod crushed a huuli hoarder on solo every time
idle timber
everything that spawn after the start of the mission is random
celest oasis
I'm pretty sure they are always in the same place in the ceiling for that weeks dd or edd
idle timber
yes, but it may vary with different host from what i experienced
celest oasis
Interesting
idle timber
I was doing some speedrun like a month ago and had like 3 breeder in the same cave where a friend had nothing :/
celest oasis
Both solo?
idle timber
ye
celest oasis
Hmmmm
idle timber
also i'm not 100% sure about that but sand vent in sandblasted seem to depend on who host
distant steppe
It's interesting that you had different results for no apparent reason. The only time I've ever seen the predetermined spawns change is when a version change (hotfix, typically) happens during the week.
idle timber
that's why i think that some spawns aren't predetermined or some hosts may not generate the same map around the same seed
Egg placement in egg hunt also vary from what i've seen
inner void
in my experience the number of leeches is the same, but the exact position varies a little
vital pewter
Deep dive done. Easily delt with
And it was the best at the last one...since when i killed ths pretorian...it yeeted across the cave.
celest oasis
edd is hell on earth hoxxes
distant steppe
For anyone having trouble with this EDD, try it as a three dwarf team with Gunner, Engi, Driller.
Not promising anything, but it wasn't that difficult for me with that combination.
Though my successful run was four dwarf stage 1 and going into stage 2, then scout left in about a minute into stage 2.
odd comet
There was an EDD a couple weeks back I tried 4 or 5 times
And some runs there were one or two breeders in the main room, others there weren't any
Yeah I dunno why people are having so much trouble with this EDD
I finished it first try with a group of randoms
And I'm hardly a haz 5 regular
celest oasis
Mainly cause iron will helped when people make tiny mistake on edd
Now you gotta play almost perfect in sync to beat edd
I have to say Im loving field medic and in particular double jump
Though steeve is p good if your team mates dont kill him :(
I beat edd this week with 4 dwarf its doable, but quite challenging
Expect a few fails until you remember all the general spawn spots and stuff
Some notable tips (4 dwarf team) Kill bet c on stage 1 asap as shes good for general dmg, black box is pretty straightforward, have driller drill quick tunnel to extract after black box is done
stage 2 you gotta watch out for all the leeches the ceiling, in particular when you enter the main room tooons of jellies attack you and a big swarm, salvage is tricky but we did it with no bunker, so its possible. Main fails will occur here, you wanna go as fast as possible to efficiently manage your nitra
Stage 3 one dread egg is very close to a giant pile of goo so plats help, and the other dread is in a very small room - recommend to drag it upwards to I believe is the spawn room to kite it, finally black box can be a bit dicey , we didnt bunker but gunner shield at the right time is great since tooons of mactera spawn
Im sure I missed some things , but I hope that helped xD
odd comet
So what you're telling me is, all these Haz 5 elitists aren't actually that good at the game, they just relied on the IW crutch to get them through everything?
idle timber
those who used IW in haz 5 where no true dwarves
verbal wagon
ehhh its bit more complicated than that
celest oasis
@odd comet possibly but this means edd is gonna become even more elitist af
Not sure this is a good or bad thing, I liked helping ppl get through edd
I'm guessing alot less people are going to be playing group edd , or until people work out a new reliable meta game
Solo edd seems unchanged since I guess iron will isn't really used?
Idk about now
I disagree that if you were "gud" you didnt need iron will
You certainly needed iron will pre u28 to pull off clutch revives, now you gotta be either
- phermone scout
- gunner shield
If a swarm is on top if you , and scout and gunner is dead, you have no chance in hell in reviving anyone unless you
- have field medic charge up
- took new iron will
This is assuming edd /haz5
flat dirge
I mean... You can always run around like a dwarf on drugs and take pot shots
Sure it will take a while
but it works
celest oasis
Yea clearing the wave can be tricky though solo if you're last alive now
You gotta be fast otherwise another wave will stack on top
flat dirge
While I dislike surviving a wave solo
I have to admit it's fun clutching it alone
and then getting your team back up
celest oasis
Or as i mentioned gunner or scout can revive ALOT easier
Engie and driller is basically royally dead
:(
celest oasis
Usually this is the case Im finding rn
Im temped to now take lure on engie over proxy now
Which is a bit disheartening lol
celest oasis
Oh he don't take that on edd
flat dirge
And playing glyphid bowling is always fun
flat dirge
Both, but I prefer carrying axes being more fun
I prioritize fun over actual effectiveness
celest oasis
I wish driller had someway to distract enemies so that reviving team mates is safer
Is fear on c4 viable to do that? Not sure
Thats the only thing I can think of
flat dirge
Driller has a flamethower/icethrower c4 charges, either a lot of axes or a few gas nades
massive drills
I'd say wiping out the swarm
is a better idea for him than distracting
celest oasis
Ye my only concern is when two praets ,30grunts, 10 jellies, 5 spitters are piled on top of you , reviving is basically impossible lol
:/
flat dirge
if they are you can always wipe em out with a c4 charge and a bit of spraying of the main cannon
Almost all of his weapons deal massive amounts of area damage
celest oasis
Yea sorta
flat dirge
Still that's not something to scoff at
celest oasis
I dunno reviving is just alot of hassle now when youre not playing scout or gunner
flat dirge
Again, not really...
celest oasis
Im pretty sure you cant one shot praets at haz5 wth c4, unless you always take 2c4?
Still you often get overwhelmed before that if youre last alive
Ive seen it happen so many times
flat dirge
It's just that for gunner and scout reviving downed players is easy due to either the area denial shield or scout's insane mobility
flat dirge
But that being the case
celest oasis
They have dmg , but when you need cc or defense they lack when reviving people
flat dirge
It doesn't automatically make it so it's impossible to revive someone as neither of those classes
outer dome
driller can stun with C4, but the duration is a bit short and it doesn’t help vs spitters
flat dirge
more than once my ass and other dwarves were saved thanks to drillers or engies
celest oasis
I agree its not impossible but , its very close to I would say , especially on edd
flat dirge
not even "very close"
outer dome
way too risky to do it unless you don’t have a choice for sure
celest oasis
I would like to see some new tool for either of them that would allow safer revives
Either that or im forced to bring iron will every time to edd
flat dirge
All the nades are good
celest oasis
Plasma not a fan of at all
flat dirge
except driller HE
outer dome
I’d rather kill most of the bugs with other nade than bring lures in most case with engie
celest oasis
But if lure is only choice for safe revives what choice do I have lol
:(
I guess not die 200iq indeed
flat dirge
I mean, engie has 6 plazma and if you bring a speed perk or just sprint away you can wipe out a lot and i mean a lot of bugs
celest oasis
Btw speed perk is bottom tier for edd imo
It doesnt work when trying to efficiently kite
So not really
outer dome
Well I can kill most of a swarm with 2-3 plasma, pretty sure one lure is not enough for a safe revive, so 3 plasma vs 2 lures…
flat dirge
WA?
celest oasis
Now you gotta rely heavily on driller to cc everything so you dont get over run
livid prairie
weekend athlete
celest oasis
^
livid prairie
yep
celest oasis
Isnt SW canceled when you fire your wep?
flat dirge
WA is also canceled when firing a weapon
since to fire a weapon you're put out of sprint
and into regular walking mode
celest oasis
WA had no ramp up time tho?
flat dirge
yes, but it was slower
outer dome
you could still stay in movement if you were shooting while jumping
easy to check with OC that forbid you to move
celest oasis
That 4 seconds to charge sw is a massive nerf to movement
Leadstorm oc yes
Its absolutely abysmal to kite with that now
flat dirge
Who the f was trying to kite with lead storm?
outer dome
well you could do it with facemelter or m1000 (focus) as well if needed since they also slow you
celest oasis
So now you gotta hope your driller brought a good sticky flame build
Or your ankles might be in trouble lol
flat dirge
Right, I see that this isn't getting anywhere
celest oasis
Just go test it yourself, you'll see
flat dirge
Why do I need to "test" it when I constantly play without that?
I just took the dwarvenly way and smash my head into the wall until the wall breaks
last veldt
So whats the current recommended strat for stage 2 EDD uplink defense? Plug up the side routes and funnel enemies through the ceiling?
Or maybe the other way around. Not sure if we’d even have enough platform ammo to completely block the ceiling next to the minehead
odd comet
I plugged the ceiling on the uplink
And then put a rim around the tunnel next to the fuel line to force the glyphids to come in on the ground
It worked pretty well
last veldt
With 1 engineer? How many resupplies did it take @odd comet
inner void
@last veldt I was playing with relatively new engineers so we didn't do anything complicated. But if I was the one with the cheese gun I would have plugged the entire hole above the drop pod
cuts the number of dimentions they can attack you from down to 2, and the lower level is connected by horizontal tunnels so you can gun them down as they come
last veldt
Ive attempted it twice now and the main show stopper seems to be being overran by a swarm or knocked out of position by shellbacks
2nd attempt our gunner disconnected though so we did stage 2 with only 3 people
inner void
ah
well you could try building a shelf overtop of the objective
qronars are definitely the most dangerous thing there, I thought it would be safe to stand on the fuel cells but they seem to clip right through it
narrow lichen
odd comet
@last veldt It only took one resupply, plus full ammo in the plat gun to start with
buoyant hatch
celest oasis
You always want to plug holes causes by resupply on salvage defense if the hole is very close to the uplink or fuel
Nothing worse than having a hole directly above you spawn like 5 acid spitters then everyone gets downed
Your to go platform should be a shelf directly behind you on the walll so you dont get bugs climbing down behind you
Behind bad, side spawns good
last veldt
ye, ended up plugging the mine head ceiling
it helped a lot
also did the same for the blackbox on stage 3
finally cleared it on the third try though, our 4th ended up disconnecting at the start of stage 2 again though
distant steppe
I wonder if that's a bug. Happened to my team every attempt, too.
verbal wagon
haaaaaaa that feel when in part 1 of the edd someone decides to double egg AND someone shoots Bet-c.
latent hamlet
at least in part 1 and not part 3 😂
last veldt
Yeah its better to just start bet c asap. If you fail at least it’ll be jn the first 5 minutes
celest oasis
I really like building a roof of plats on salvage lol
Keeps my team nice and comfy 
Though dont make the ceiling too low lmao
Imo try to get betc as soon as your start
She helps alot on the black box defense on stage1 edd
odd comet
Honestly I find it's better to just avoid BET-C
It takes a lot of ammo to kill her, leaves you low on health, and isn't particularly useful after you fix her
Of course, someone's Steeve had different ideas
celest oasis
If your gunner is half competent you should be able to kill the bet c really fast
When betc does the laser hitscan attack you want to pillar block with one if the nearby pillars
Or when it does the shield, get into the shield and pump it with lead lol
Should be no problem
Instead what people seem to do is , wake up bet c, fail to kite any of its mechanics , insta wipe
Team mileage may vary lol
fringe kettle
note that the gunner has to have the minigun for that to work. I've stopped automatically taking it unless proven otherwise. I've had too many games as of late where the driller/engineer are simply unable to handle the swarmers so I've been stuck taking the autocannon to make up for it.
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celest oasis
You could consider bullet hell oc on minigun
Still does ok dmg but main pro is it clears swarmers and things really fast
Autocannon just sorta feels bad vs dread
Aka it has explosion resis
fringe kettle
I'm 2/3 the way through acquiring the overclocks. That's not one I have, yet. Oh yes, it sucks against dread. It's an unfortunate tradeoff.
celest oasis
Im still missing carpet bomber thats a great ac oc
brittle fractal
celest oasis
I have that same fear lol
Im wanting to try that and fatboy meme lol
Wish there was a way to specify the weapon at least when an oc is chosen
wraith shard
bullet hell is okay but too inconsistent for me
the axe to your overall damage doesn't help
it does make the minigun a hybrid damage dealer/swarmer clearer but it won't ever be as good as lead storm or carpet bomber for their respective roles
truthfully with thorns I dont even have to worry about swarmers now
they bite my ankles and blow up
odd comet
I mean, half of my problem with BET-C is that she has trouble dealing with friendlies. Dwarf with one swarmer chewing on their leg? Shoot a bomb at it. Then you take like 4 times as much damage from the 'friendly' BET-C as you did from the swarmer she was 'saving' you from
chilly mulch
celest oasis
Scout pop boils first to drag bulk away from team
So it aggro onto scout first
Let scout kite it around while your team deals with the trash mobs
If you have time throw some shots onto bulk
But swarm clearing is v important
If you dont react fast enough the bulk will eventually walk onto the uplink or fuel line which is really bad
vocal bronze
if you have some way to electrocute it, that's the easiest way to take it out before it reaches you
celest oasis
Someone say electrocution m1000
celest oasis
vocal bronze
lol
get ready for this one
11111
if you can line up a few grunts, one focus shot will bodyshot all of them if you have the T3 focus damage perk after a little bit thanks to the electrocution DoT, so I don't run T1 damage
stagger at T5 is optional but it stuns praes long enough to magdump zhukovs into their weakspot
with +damage vs elec'd targets
also good against other chunky targets that arent stun immune
frail zodiac
bUt DuDe ElEcTrOcuTiNg ShoTs m1K iS lİtErAlLy ThE wOrSt Oc İn ThE gAmE
frail zodiac
hipfiring is good tho
vocal bronze
its part of why i enjoy the OC so much, you have legitimate reasons to use both fire modes
so its a hybrid
latent hamlet
i say have gunner use shield when you have good window for dps on bulk and while shield is up just unload all dps to bulk
tulip idol
I tried EDD 2 times and I failed it at 3rd stage 2 times because of gunners... 1st gunner had 35-50ms ping, nothing better than big berta and was just 60lvl, 2nd gunner was 160lvl, 18ms ping, apparently with carpet bomber or other autocannon build... and omg fight with 1st dreadnought lasted so long... it was not really a good cave for dreadnought, however as gunner I'd kill dread waaay sooner, instead dread had time to use all his bugged moves including 90+ degrees fireball when I already hooked behind his back...
but uhmm.. we killed him, I told engi how to set up solid defense on black box with ceiling and mines against Macteras, we finished defense mainly because of engi and his pgl, however gunner was riding zipline all the time and smh macteras didn't really drop him... after the defense I got sniped near dirt by one of the macteras while being in the air, all seemed good - wave was ending, but smh mates behind the dirt died fast and gunner couldn't deal with rest of wave in my cave, dropped shield right near me (!!!) instead of reviving me with that and died after shield gen stopped working. He was also the only one not in vc though I invited everyone in lobby before the mission started.
Therefore, I feel like I need either play gunner myself (which will get me off scout) or trust any not random gunner in vc checking that he takes right equipment for mission so we don't have to spend multiple minutes per every dreadnought with risk that we will die in the process
quiet wyvern
Any good ways to use M1K and Zukov's for Scout on EDD?
tulip idol
my main scout build is:
m1k: 2-1-2-1-2-Electrocuting Focus Shots
NUK17: 2-3-2-1-2-Gas Recycling
It's one of the best loadouts, however considering dreadnoughts and macteras have juicy weakpoints it's not the best to go that way and I can't recommend any other Zhukov build in pair with m1k
feral atlas
It's become a lot more difficult to carry bad players. It's gonna be bad these next few weeks as the poor players that were crutching on IW and/or WA either adapt, or give up on EDD.
tawdry fossil
WA?
feral atlas
It'll get better over time. This is just a painful readjustment period.
Weekend Athlete.
tulip idol
weekendathlete
tawdry fossil
k
feral atlas
It always gets better over time as players filter into their proper difficulties.
tulip idol
yeah I've seen a lot of h4+ players in h5 in my experience
but they play mainly h3-4 and h5 only with guys like us
that's the definition of h4+
feral atlas
This still doesn't compare to the first couple of EDD where you would get Haz2 players thinking they were Karl's gift to mining jumping into that stage 3 pit with the spitballer.
wispy gazelle
Guys lol have you also constantly died in the final moments of the 2nd mission of EDD?
feral atlas
I solo'd it.
Only down was in stage 3.
Stage 2, as long as you don't blindly rush into a room and know how to properly fortify an uplink, you shouldn't be dying much.
wraith shard
I love EDD’s that are a challenge like this
seperates the greenbeards from Karl’s own
“And what if they say the EDD is too hard?”
We ask them politely but firmly to leave
ornate delta
I am in dire need of advice
Every time I tried a deep dive I fail at the last point
Because every time I have done it it curses me with bulk detonators
feral atlas
Play normal missions and learn how to deal with them.
ornate delta
I know how to deal with them but I just get spooked
feral atlas
There are only 3 options: kill it faster, slow it down, or have the person its following lead it away
ornate delta
Alright thanks for the help I need all I can get haha
wraith shard
electric debuff is a massive slowdown if you can keep it applied
luring it away could be done with well placed pheremones (rather difficult due to the AI being a little finnicky) or having someone lead it away (only if done quickly because otherwise it may not lock on to someone mobile)
ornate delta
Thanks man
wispy gazelle
I thought I was big smart by going an electrifying weapon against the bulk but still we all perish in the end
wraith shard
gotta pace it
feral atlas
if you really need a slow, just take the neuro mod for the bulldog
2-3 shots, and it basically almost stops moving
wraith shard
Its okay but requires you to consistently land those weakpoint hits.
bitter garnet
Stun > Fear
Fear can screw the team (and you) over.
Stun helps everyone and allows you to chain your shots
wraith shard
^
praet breathing on your team? stun
m1k electro with stun feels so good I genuinely think it needs nerfing
vocal bronze
no thanks
foggy sentinel
wraith shard
im telling you
its glorious
m1k hipfire is ludicrously good right now
did the EDD with ease as a scout driller combo
flamer and m1k chunks everything
vocal bronze
i mean its good, its real fun
but i dont think it needs nerfing
m1k hipfire has a high skill cap
wraith shard
i genuinely think it's the most effective m1k format at the moment
you can stun + elec priority targets super fast and still deal massive damage
hipfire spam has huge dps
and i dont think it's that high of a skill cap
the gk2 is harder to use
you have to track longer with it
m1k hipfire is super accurate, basically 0 recoil, enough damage to one shot grunts to the face
magdumping hipfire has huge damage on big targets
the guaranteed elec is wonderful as well
it doesn't really have any downsides other than being maybe slightly less ammo efficient but it's not hard to use your secondary enough to not run out of ammo with it
I could sing this thing's praises all day
thorny geyser
electro stun was good oc when it came out, now its best
meta slaves were howling in choirs how "bad" it was compared to cooling chamber
feels vindicated mang
wraith shard
I wish the M1K was still a sniper weapon
instead of chunky gk2
sniper mode on it is garbage
it's so ridiculously sexy
sniper mode does feel in a bad place
hipfire is now the point and click adventure
it's like subatas big brother now
double ammo consumption was a mistake on sniper mode
just feels bad man
thorny geyser
i like it more as carbine type weapon
wraith shard
Double ammo consumption can work but I don't think theres enough incentive to actually use focus shots at the moment
thorny geyser
stun
wraith shard
using focus is all risk no reward
8 mag is tiny so people naturally want the 14 mag mod but that leaves you with 100% focus damage
like why bother charging a shot when you can click twice and it's faster
wraith shard
provided you have very high accuracy with focus shots you are still only coming out slightly more ammo efficient
imo it should be 110% damage by default
what Freeman said
honestly gimmie more ways to debilitate larger bugs and i'd still consider a sniper weapon
too much pressure for not enough payoff
let me shoot of legs
that's why i use electro
thorny geyser
Electrostun is hands down best right now
i understand people wanting a sniper weapon
but i think it should be old school lever-action or bolt-action, completely separate weapon
wraith shard
elephant rounds freakin outclasses the M1K
I don't want old m1k again, but I'd like focus build m1k to have something going for it
And hipfire is too strong right now I think
I can drop four elephant rounds in something's rear and its dead quite quickly, while the M1K needs to charge every shot and can still only get 4 shots off with an 8 round mag
thorny geyser
give cooling chamber oc more something
so that you can have that one shot one kill
wraith shard
It shouldn't have such longer focus times
thorny geyser
i agree
wraith shard
Defeats the purpose of it
I can see what it's supposed to be
but the fact of the game is that all bugs are fairly evenly split between targets
so even if the scout is chillin' maxin' relaxin' all cool on a platform on the ceiling trying to pick of priority targets
a bunch of bugs are going to spawn behind him and bite his ankles
thorny geyser
theres always mob disposal
wraith shard
so you can't stand still and take your time with shots like the mod wants you to
You gotta move, shoot, move, shoot, move, shoot endlessly, so why even bother focusing just go with hipfire
Yeah
thorny geyser
focus fire with cooling chamber needs something
wraith shard
it needs big dick damage is what it needs
xbox huge damage
The ammo reduction is already harsh enough to make hipfire unappealing, but then they make the actual focus shot difficult as well
thorny geyser
i dunno, maybe short stun near the trajectory of the bullet and more damage
because its a damn railgun
wraith shard
double focus length AND you cant move during it?
blowthrough should be standard on the M1K
that's awful!
standard blowthrough would make it OP imo though I wouldnt say no to supercooling getting it
focus shots should have blowthrough, at minimum
its the biggest proper rifle round in the game it should have some penetration
thorny geyser
one blowthrough by default, three with mod?
wraith shard
I'd give supercooling +1 blowthrough
could stack with the existing mod
I am half of the opinion just giving it like 6 blowthrough just for fun
Regular m1k getting default blowthrough would need nerfing in other areas to tune it
who is actually going to be able to splat 7 glyphids in one shot
thorny geyser
shoot through walls like railgun in red faction
wraith shard
could work too
anyhow making the bullet's hitbox wider on focus shots could also help
thorny geyser
nailing dread behind a wall
wraith shard
turn focus shot into breach cutter but lengthways
wraith shard
I hate the cryo cannon
its only good with a closely coordinated team
if you can manage to get a gunner to pay attention and stick nearby you you'll delete just about anything
but otherwise good luck to you
stuck breaking all your ice sculptures
hallow estuary
use your drill
the one or 2 damage mods, freeze everything, bulldoze through it
pair it with vampire and big heal
wraith shard
oddly specific combo to deal with a problem of your own creation my friend
occam's razor: just burn them to death with the crisper
brittle fractal
celest oasis
Would be nice if m1000 had tracer rounds so team mates can see what your sniping at lol
Or laser sight attachment for all guns lol
thorny geyser
taht would make things confusing because we already have laser pointer
See this?
points
Mushroom!
loud ore
points
Maggot!
thorny geyser
points
Smells like poo, looks like poo!
loud ore
points
Watch the moving turd!
celest oasis
Tactical dwarves
brittle fractal
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idle tulip
so i Attempted a Deep Dive.
failed due to lack of nitra spawn on first mission.
devs care to look into possible increase of nitra veins in deep dives for a "Do-able" solo runner.
idle tulip
well i didn't even get enough for one
so again there seems to be an issue with terrain gen.
celest oasis
Did you use bosco to mine the nitra for you
idle tulip
no
celest oasis
Hehe
idle tulip
i mine all of the one vein that spanwed for me
celest oasis
Try that lol
idle tulip
it sucks.
wispy gazelle
Isnt the generation in solo the same?
celest oasis
Yeah should be similar
idle tulip
well then i got really crap map generation.
it wasn't even that big TBH
but yeah couldn't finished the dread naught cause no ammo.
wispy gazelle
DD or EDD?
wraith shard
terrain generation for dives are the same for the whole week, I think you are just not looking hard enough
you can easily finish a dive with five resupplies spare
fringe kettle
Terrain is identical regardless of party size during the week before the reset. What changes are the enemy spawns. There was plenty of nitra on stage one of both the DD and EDD.
celest oasis
Thats what I thought lol
feral atlas
Yeah, terrain gen is identical for the maps.
Either you got a bug.
Or you missed nearly all the nitra.
foggy sentinel
It'd certainly be an odd bug to have
bitter garnet
I amma bet on not looking
thorny geyser
there is enough nitra to be used as willy-nilly drop missiles on enemies
feral atlas
Some EDDs had so much nitra that you could start using them as anti-bulk missiles
still remember that EDD stage 3 where we started the uplink with 700+ nitra in the bank
bitter garnet
I got an EDD stage 3 with +800 Nitra
We just let the Scout use all the resupplies for pheromone spam
We just ignored the fight and did the objective
frail zodiac
oh yeah? i got to stage 2 with 900+
bitter garnet
Impressive
brittle fractal
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