2 C4 is VERY situational
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terse bronze
I use the damage boost for oppressors
brittle fractal
you can pull out one at anytime and watch a beautiful firework
celest oasis
I feel driller has the worst grenade choices
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oblique osprey
But 4 C4 with Fear is good enough in my books
celest oasis
Axes are tooo good
terse bronze
Thats a good point imo
brittle fractal
except, urh, you cant one shot guard
oblique osprey
It hurts on the inside when I see Drillers use neurotox... like the one we had on EDD
brittle fractal
but hell you got your pixkaxe
celest oasis
:(
oblique osprey
The impact axes are such a perfect crutch weapon
celest oasis
Axes are so versatile
oblique osprey
Something big you can't flame ? Spam impact axes
celest oasis
Axe ladder is fun lol
brittle fractal
axe 4 self reviving, cancel animation and memeing
brittle fractal
130 is a focus shot damage
oblique osprey
I'm aware
frank shuttle
Why do I always have to host Deep Dives? The join part is always grayed out for me and none of the games are selectable.
fringe kettle
can't join any in progress deep dives
frank shuttle
Why does it still show them then? That seems silly to me
shrewd pelican
any one want to get passed out a couple of times then do a deep dive?
rotund ivy
cause it just does?
verbal wagon
How are the deep dives this week?
celest oasis
Gotta love mactera edd lol 
verbal wagon
That feel when you do the EDD thinking it is the DD. Oh well thankfully I had my mactera engineer loadout so was fine ๐
celest oasis
Take spiky grenade for extra challenge
zinc river
Spiky Grenade's more like a bonus "fuck you" to that grabber you managed to hit.
last phoenix
Unless he grabbed you on the same frame
In which case you just turned it in to a sucide bomber...
xD
wraith shard
airshotting mactera swarms with the nuke PGL will never get old
wraith shard
hitting macteras directly produces Bonk! atomic energy (with REAL isotopes)
zinc river
@last phoenix Hey, if I'm gonna die, it's gonna be on my terms.
last phoenix
๐
feral atlas
Can we just sticky the anti air pgl build whenever people complain about mactera plague on EDD?
distant steppe
Because that helps those of us that aren't engineers in the situation. ๐
feral atlas
Be the engineer if you want to win.
distant steppe
4 engi team, go!
feral atlas
By that, I mean host.
last phoenix
Scout m1000fear build for mactera plague
feral atlas
Seriuosly, if you actually want to win and are confident in your abilities as a player, you host.
last phoenix
Driller c4
feral atlas
Or you take your chances that your lobby will be led by a moron or a player that tolerates morons.
last phoenix
Gunner has a mother trucking shield and a flak gun
feral atlas
Every time I try EDD without hosting, I mentally accept that there's a real possibility of losing.
last phoenix
Pubs can be hard to carry tbf
distant steppe
Indeed.
last phoenix
My pet peeve is when people spam ammo in ther first 2 missions
distant steppe
(Speaking as someone who only plays with pubs for EDD)
Mine is bad supply drop management on low O2 missions.
especially on PE
last phoenix
Ooof i feel you there
feral atlas
With pubs, you need a host that is both skilled and willing to crack the whip.
distant steppe
yep, which is part of why I don't often host
feral atlas
If he sucks, skilled players will join, see that he sucks, and bail.
distant steppe
DRG still doesn't recognize my mic
feral atlas
If he's too nice, players will bail too.
wraith shard
scout that doesnt use his flare gun to light surrounding terrain during a swarm
distant steppe
haha, yep
feral atlas
If you can't threaten to kick the scout if he doesn't flare.
You're not host material.
distant steppe
or especially during defenses
feral atlas
You need the capability to be an asshole to people that need that knife hanging over their head to do their job.
wraith shard
usually people are okay, I avoid micro managing
most of the time they will just become spiteful if you try to threaten them
otherwise I just wordlessly boot them
feral atlas
Don't micro manage. But sometimes if somebody is obviously sucking, you need to tell them what to do. Or boot.
You can't be too nice.
Most of the time, the people are the problem.
Not any lack of knowledge.
last phoenix
I wont kick players in game but i will tell then what to do if they fail to follow baisic instructions flare, platform, zip, etc. and lose the game. then i say sorry and promptly remove them from the lobby
There are 2 other players trying to get the win they shouldnt be forced to hard carry someine out of there depth
wraith shard
I dont even apologize dont join my haz 5 lethal enemies max complexity/length mission if you have no stars
last phoenix
Lol
I would totally let a newbie join
Intresting to watch xD
But for edd not so much unless i have completed it and im offering to help people
last phoenix
I redo edd to help people thats about it
wraith shard
im missing out on machine events crafting ingredients and cargo crates if im doing deep dives
last phoenix
Like you said there is no tangible benefit to it
feral atlas
truth of the matter is that EDD is usually won on the loading screen
or lost
mission types, sometimes even team comp doesn't matter
it's the players that matter
last phoenix
Agreed the biggest variable is player skill
distant steppe
I very much disagree. I've suffered to many forced wipes from the RNG to believe that.
Agree with LoneG, player skill matters most.
last phoenix
Rng can be annoying but you can counter with a good team, with good ammo and nitra discipline
keeping a tight formation helps as well
feral atlas
RNG is usually irrelevant with a good team
only affects how many downs on the victory screen, and how much nitra you hoard by stage 3
last phoenix
Chian reviving and abuse of ironwill has ensured thus far that competant players can out wit rng.
feral atlas
Pheromones too
last phoenix
After the next patch we will see how this changes
distant steppe
Haha, often, but not always.
last phoenix
Not always
But a significant amount of games yes
My prediction for the next meta if ironwill is nerfed is CC builds
zinc river
Tried that once.
Unfortunately one of us didn't have Fatboy so naturally we lost. >:c
wraith shard
hypervelocity is also dangerously underrated
wraith shard
if you can tag weakpoints with it (which once you get a feel for it, the rounds travel fast enough for negligble travel time and drop) its a 40mm slug launcher that can delete wardens and predatorions
zinc river
Nuke bugs from across the Biozone.
wraith shard
truthfully maybe its a good idea to have one hypervelocity chad for priority target smacking at a distance that the fat boy should avoid being wasted on
hypervelocity PGL and Cycle overload warthog melts dreadnoughts too
zinc river
Cycle overload is stupid fun, but I like having 180 rounds.
wraith shard
minishells was fun for a while because seemingly bottomless ammo
but it lacks the oof
wraith shard
I used magnetic pellet alignment for a while, really allowed you to reach out and get solid smacks on webspitters and such
thorny geyser
magnetic alignment gives you a real option for middle ranges
its a flat upgrade if you have a consistent aim
copper cove
I use minishells because I like having ammo.
cold lark
minishells warthog is just blam blam BLAM
last phoenix
17 shells in a mag? What are you doing!
zinc river
Compact shells and ammo upgrades. :V
versed willow
Imagine not taking fire rate.
zinc river
I like rate, but for tougher/longer missions I like ammo.
I take all the fire-rate upgrades when I take compact shells because the other upgrades generally aren't worth it, like more ammo.
wraith shard
I do like the satisfying mouth shots on glyphid gruns
and if they survive you just bonk them with the pickaxe
thorny geyser
that feel when you take out nine grunts with as many shots with warthog
then nuke the slashers and guards, screw those guys
paper elbow
100%
clear valley
How would one prosed in Reporting some one?
undone lance
hollow flower
Yea this weeks Edd was simple enough. Youโll be fine
celest oasis
Macteras 
peak glacier
What would happen if you were to do the fuel charging objective during a deep dive when you haven't done the secondary objective yet?
because the one minute dountdown to go into the drop pod is still there.
celest oasis
I think you miss out on the bonus mission rewards
You generally wanna finish the secondary objective unless you think you might not survive if you stick around
Like low on nitra or something and its salvage lol
Once had that and we needed one nitra lol 79 nice 
brittle fractal
deep dive he said
celest oasis
Well since its dd works same way
You ideally want to collect secondary, but you can forgo it
If you want to speed run it
brittle fractal
thorny geyser
@clear valley There is no report system.
Only way to stop cheaters is to buy a lot of plane tickets and go beat their asses, boots on the ground.
wraith shard
figure out their home address and mail them a pineapple pizza
paper elbow
Cheaters?
brittle fractal
met a late-join cheater before
running unlimited ammo PGL with fat boi while Im charging fuel cell solo. Got insta obliterated
(still completed the mission,solo haz 5)
thorny geyser
oh that guy
feral atlas
wrong channel
celest oasis
Does unlimited ammo crash people joining a game lol
brittle fractal
idk
versed willow
No.
fathom kelp
Gotta say, Cycle Overload on Warthog is one of the most impactful OCs I've ever found next to Special Powder for double barrel shotty
Nothing says damage output like killing EDD 3rd stage praetorians within 4-5s, especially with a reload cancel.
brittle fractal
double barrel engi version
copper cove
Already sounds more useful than BC
finite isle
why isnt there a button on molly to uplink to mission control on the last stage of the EDD?
Ive done the two mini mules and the obj changed but there is no button on molly -_-
nvm i guess u have to do the eggs first, before the uplinks? thats a first for me
finite isle
i guess since its uplink? the others it doesnt seem like the order matters
brittle fractal
๏ผ
distant steppe
Think of it this way - on deep dives, you have to do both objectives before you can call for the pod; on mule stages, the uplink and fuel are the equivalent of calling the pod.
little axle
just did stage 2 of the current DD solo with a Bulk showing up
boy am i glad finishing a level resets bosco's revives
lost lagoon
what's the anti-mactera pgl build?
worldly flame
Fire mod + proxy
celest oasis
Take aoe mods as well they're good 
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limber storm
dont die 
more seriously since nitra carries through each missions ammos are rarely a problem
just make sure to get all of it
and since the map stays the same, you can learn it if you fail too many times
so you know where the minerals and stuff are, you're faster and more efficient
otherwise for class tips its the same as normal missions really
work with your team, do what your class is supposed to do
thorny geyser
dont avoid the gold, thats leaflover talk
grab everything thats not nailed down, take the nails and then steal everything that was nailed down
vale falcon
It's a bug thing is S tier
gleaming crown
depp dive elite is impossible solo
celest oasis
#deep-dive-speedrunning @gleaming crown 
foggy sentinel
Gunner + carpetbomber + elephant rounds is an easy EDD solo win erry time no matter the objective
uncut basalt
Me and my friend lost all health to the suffocation and at the pod my iron will ran out right at the door
Broke my iron will as well
narrow tulip
..... does this week's deep dive start with landing on a hoarder?
vale falcon
Yes
narrow tulip
fun fun
exotic birch
How long does a deep dive take? I usually only have 30-45 mins before work most of my week, then after about two if I want to feel rested. Just wanna not waste time with something I can't finish
vale falcon
30-1h in general if there's no delays
golden gazelle
~10-20 mins per map, depend on group and objectives
vale falcon
Since there's only objectives and no secondary, you can just Allways be moving forward
narrow tulip
I can solo them in like 40-45 m
exotic birch
What's the pros of a deep dive compared to a normal mission?
feral atlas
You get rewards.
exotic birch
Got it.
wraith shard
extreme optimization and knowledge of the map beforehand
distant steppe
if you have a clever engi, you can cheese the black boxes without too much trouble while everyone else does the other objective
but 15m for a whole EDD sounds really sketchy
especially given that the third stage has a mandatory 5 minutes at the end
lavish spindle
I can only assume it involves a lot of pheromone
lofty star
i've been running this mission for about 20hrs this week and haven't successfully completed could anyone help me out?
thorny geyser
elite deep dive?
lofty star
yes
thorny geyser
any advice you need?
thorny geyser
which region?
lofty star
us
thorny geyser
aw shucks
wind bay
So, can we talk about the detonators of mission #2?
opal parrot
Good afternoon, can someone please clarify how scaling of the DD's works? Say for example I were to go in with a team of 3?
wind bay
I did this solo as the scout and both were pretty easy. The hallway one I was able to kite back and forth, shooting him at a distance and run around the corner for the blast.
The salvage droppod one however... my first run was easy. He showed up in the final phase when I could just draw him away from the droppod and then leave easy.
But yesterday I tried this with a friend and Det came during the time we needed to stay in the triangulation zone. WTF are you supposed to do when that happens???
opal parrot
thank you!
wind bay
so yeah, I'm at a loss how to not fail the mission when detonators show up while you are meant to stay in a small bubble of space defending it. If you take the time to lure it away, you will fail. If you hold your ground, it will kill you. If you manage to kill it, the blast will also almost surely kill you. What is the solution?
And it appears like Deep Dives do not, in fact, have random enemies but they show up the same. Even the very start of this week's DD has the drop pod landing on a Hoarder, which is very cool.
I wasn't able to kill the dread in the final mission as a solo scout because the swarm that spawned was just too much and I couldn't get a break long enough to resupply
opal parrot
@wind bay for our run, I dropped bug repellent platforms to try to force a funnel point and drop proximity mines, staying on the point as much as possible. Our gunner was on a zipline overhead nuking bigger targets and dropping shields on cooldown. Our scout (when the detonator came) would leash the biggun and provoke his melee attack to slow it down as much as possible.
The gunner focus fired him down. He luckily has the overclock that does extra damage, but he cannot move while firing, so that helped tremendously.
wind bay
ahh. so it didn't show up very close to your position presumably
in ours, he was very close and only a few seconds later we were forced out of the triangulation zone
and killed
opal parrot
not necessarily, I just called it out as soon as I saw it. he was uncomfortably close, but not the same as you it would seem.
when I called it, our scout and gunner immediately left, trusting I would handle the point until they cleared the big boy
thankfully, the scout would come back and drop cryo nades to slow down the trash flowing in then go back to focus firing the detonator
wind bay
I wonder how hard it is to get it to switch agro. They do follow just one person but from my experience with fighting dreads in a team, they seem to switch to chasing whoever is hurting it the worst.
opal parrot
yes, that is my experience as well.
if you have a pimple left on the target, I found that breaking it causes enough damage to override his aggro and swap to whoever broke it
wind bay
So the proper strategy would seem to be that as soon as he shows up, the most mobile person needs to abandon the triangulation zone and try to aggro the Det, drawing him the hell away from the other guy, who must solo hold off the swarm until Det is dead, hopefully far enough away that the other guy doesn't get killed as well.
sounds like a challenge
limber storm
anything that can slow him down is a good thing too
driller sticky flames or electricity
or neuro toxines
wind bay
electricity and toxin slows?
I noticed when I was doing it solo that Bosco firing on it seemed to slow it down quite a lot. Wasn't sure if Bosco can actually draw its 100% attention or not though. It didn't seem to be advancing
wraith shard
enemies wont aggro on bosco but electricty does slow massively, along with cooling and toxins
wind bay
ah that's good to know
odd comet
So if you stack multiple status effects on dreads and bulks, you can slow them to a crawl
Reason 1 Why I always run neurotox on my bulldog
wind bay
And here I thought that neurotoxin was only a small "damage over time" effect
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gentle bison
if you quit a deep dive early, do you still get the matrix core rewards for the parts you did complete?
fringe kettle
you get rewards after each completed section
gentle bison
so I don't need to do third section to keep the blank core and weapon core?
gentle bison
excellent, thanks
distant steppe
It's not horrible. Two aquarq behind it, start it right after the first swarm and it should finish just before the second.
last phoenix
All you need to do is rush the black box whilst the scout collects 80 nitra
Then do the rest of the mission
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celest oasis
Speed run dives
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celest oasis
Ooh what are this weeks
fiery venture
sandblasted and bogs
glossy hedge
1st is mining, black box, shield disruption, and a bulk at black
celest oasis
Neat bogs my favourite map
tardy pier
Barteksnis this for normal or edd?
glossy hedge
EDD
fierce jacinth
shield, leech, oxygen, is the edd ones
glossy hedge
1st is mining with black box + shield disruption, 2nd is salvage with dreadnought + leech cluster(lots of leeches on the ceiling) 3rd is mining with black box + low o2 + volatile guts
Overall EDD is not too bad
celest oasis
Remember that leech one two or three weeks ago
That one was a nightmare
Super vertical map and horizontal leeches lol
oblique osprey
Sounds extremely chill... unless the map gen is VERY unkind
burnt tendon
Is it normal to be going into a deep dive with a friend and he has an entirely different deep dive than me? Like, the loading screen is all messed up and something different
They also got the normal deep dive second stage overclock while doing the first mission of breach the core assignment
I think also the EDD overclock second stage, will have to see that one still though
we took screenshots as well
fiery venture
when your game crashes on stage 3 of the EDD while you're half way back to the drop pod
glossy hedge
Well, at least you got the weapon oc...
fiery venture
Guess I'll find out what it is next week when I reinstall
wraith shard
I too would like this information.
fiery venture
I had 2 Bulks on stages 2 and 3 of the EDD
thorny geyser
I really hate to go scout just because rando scouts are stingy af with flares and never illuminate caves
wraith shard
It's the reason I play scout a lot
The stupid mentality of "I need to play this because someone else won't do it right"
It really shouldn't be much of an issue
But I always get scouts who never use flares, and don't phero at the right times
celest oasis
We are reaching dwarf iq levels thought not possible 
tardy pier
Never can have too much bulky boys
celest oasis
Crunchy 
wraith shard
gooey on the inside
thorny geyser
it feels so stupid to search the walls for veins by hopping and tossing around hand flares
when scout could do it with one flare and minimum fuss
especially on biomes like bogs and sandblast
odd comet
@celest oasis That one really wasn't that bad though?
signal wagon
good god that double bulk on the third stage
thankfully one of them blew up the other on death
civic quarry
Got a bulk on each black box and uplink stages on each EDD stages this week, so damn intense, spawning on cue, as soon as you start lol
finished EDD, failed regular deep dive at the last level on fuel cells when a bulk spawned with endless exploders because of the mutation while trawlers prevented us to revive each other, bumping us just before revive ends, so deep dive was harder than EDD for us lol
wraith shard
Is this week's EDD easier than last weeks?
civic quarry
@wraith shard yes, worst issue for us was second stage, because the area with the leeches is so messed up with holes everywhere and uneven terrain, leeches grabbing you from all sides while endless swarmers attack you (there are swarmer eggs everywhere)
Other than that it was smooth
Make sure you refill your ammo before entering the EDD's second stage's main room
thorny geyser
I popped those eggs to keep driller awake.
I think we only got snatched by leeches twice and both times leech got gunned down right away.
signal ginkgo
are the deep dives ready?
wraith shard
whatโs this dawi? youโre approaching me? instead of going on normal missions, you are approaching me, a deep dive?
I canโt beat the shit out of you and get my cores without getting closer
wraith shard
its a meme you dip
and also restart your game that might solve it
exotic oxide
The strong arm perk helps a surprising amount if you need to light up walls
thorny geyser
yeah, but it's value is limited if you have scout who isn't keeping his flares to himself
thorny geyser
When you first descend to the pit where the pod is located, there are a billion leeches so you gotta have the place illuminated and stick together.
Terrain around dread cocoon is also kinda sub-optimal, but that's what engineer and driller are for.
versed willow
Hey, it didn't bug out and say I went down this time. Never went below 50% health the last time and this time. Guess it was just that EDD.
celest oasis
The trick to doing the bulk on salvage is your scoot to aggro and drag the bulk away asap so your team can clear the trash bugs
There are so many warden spawns it's a bit dicey
This weeks normal dd is deceptively tricky lol
Last stage of edd get your driller to flatten the ground all around should make the black box alot easier
2nd mission of edd has a giant room fillled with tons of leeches, helps alot if gunner places a few ziplines if you get a bit lost lol
distant steppe
Lots of swarmers on that 2nd stage, too. Bring a good sticky-flames driller! ๐
celest oasis
Ye its not a bad stategy to zipline since most of the bugs are melee, some mactera but not toos many
I actually used bullet hell on my gunner made short work of swarmers
Though sticky flames helps alot too
One trick you can use at the end of mission 3 on edd is to save resupply when you drill to the extraction pod
Then you can get o2 while waiting in the driller tunnel
Just make sure your engineer plugs the tunnel as you climb back up
Thinking about it, not a bad idea to bring auto cannon maybe
So many swarmers
odd comet
We almost wiped on stage 2, we got hit with an ambient swarm the size of an actual swarm shortly after breaking into the main cavern
Engi went down, scout went down before he could pick up engi, and I went into iron will about 2 seconds after (3 person team)
I just barely had enough time to pick engi up and drop a shield for them before going down
Rest of EDD was pretty uneventful
wind bay
I never really valued the speedy revive perk until we started doing harder difficulties. It really makes a difference.
distant steppe
Indeed, faster revives and maxed out iron will can save a team when things go very badly.
timber grove
man edd2 is a bit of a bitch
timber grove
tricky terrain, and we got rekt by a bulk on uplink
feral atlas
bulks die so fast though
tardy pier
Field medic and iron will on all classes
And yes bulks need to get rebuffed to previous glory and spawnrates
restive obsidian
how are the basic deep dives this week
tardy pier
You mean what their missions / mutators are?
Because normal seems pretty doable for random teams
celest oasis
Also take the armour perk more invun on revive
Can make for some clutch chain revives
The basic deep dive is deceptively tricky lol
Found the last dd, almost seemed like an edd, salvage+exploders
wispy gazelle
This dive is deep man... ๐
unique spoke
What's the dd look like
wraith shard
a long drop
odd comet
That stage 3 DD salvage was worse than stages 1 and 3 of the EDD
vocal kite
Is the smg the engineer gets any good?
crimson arch
it's fun, imo
vale falcon
It can deal good damage if you stack the right mods
wraith shard
It pales in comparison to the warthog generally and is only at all viable with specific builds
otherwise it just feels anemic compared to the warthog
^
rng on the electrocution effect hurts it a lot
vale falcon
It is, but it doesnโt scale up well sadly
wraith shard
Removing the RNG element would be a great boon to it
quiet wyvern
What's a good thunderhead build for the EDD, aside from having a good teammate playing as Driller?
thorny geyser
carpet bomber and maxed out splash damage
quiet wyvern
Shucks, I don't got that one yet, I got splintering shells tho
Or composite drum's per chance
zinc river
Carpet Bomber is AMAZING, you'll love it.
quiet wyvern
I know, I can't wait
brittle fractal
most broken one in my mind
quiet wyvern
Is it that op, if it's "broken?"
swift matrix
not true
wraith shard
carpet bomber still shreds any loose group of nonguards its still broken
swift matrix
It's mostly the Autocannon that's broken
brittle fractal
op af
feral atlas
carpet was op when it munch haz5 mobs
but guards now consistently survive and get into attack range
brittle fractal
use other stuff 4 guards
feral atlas
it creates a targeting priority issue
brittle fractal
brittle fractal
like your teammates
zinc river
Let the Scout deal with Guards.
feral atlas
your teammates are worse against guards than you are
nothing is as sustainable against guards than the mini
brittle fractal
(denying with engi shooty)
dreamy niche
still doesn't compare to the mini
brittle fractal
(angry flamethrower noise)
feral atlas
flamer pisses away ammo on haz5 guards
bitter garnet
What are the warnings of this weeks EDD? I came late
zinc river
M1K Focus-fire right through the gap.
feral atlas
you can't rely on spike damage slow rof weapons for haz5 guard mobs
bitter garnet
Warnings, anomalies, mutations, you name it.
brittle fractal
shield-leech-oxygen
feral atlas
takes too long
bitter garnet
Any PE?
dreamy niche
no
bitter garnet
thanks
feral atlas
again, it's not that minigun is the only option, but it's by and far the best
bitter garnet
I'll solo it with scout later and be done with it, thanks again
feral atlas
don't
EDD is very swarmer heavy
lots of bulks too
I would use flamer + subata driller
fringe kettle
Personally I only take the autocannon when I suspect there's going to be lots of swarmers or it's mactera/exploders. Everything else is minigun.
bitter garnet
I can solo it with Scout no problem Feelz, done that with previous EDDs as well.
feral atlas
5 on mine, 3 of them on defense sections
bitter garnet
Rush the objective, ignore everything else.
brittle fractal
F
bitter garnet
Bosco is OP
feral atlas
in any case, I did it in a team
brittle fractal
bosco is OP
bitter garnet
Im out, have fun fellas
feral atlas
meh, i just gathered people on haz5 core hunt missions, then went to EDD
you get monster teams that way
feral atlas
brittle fractal
like, BREEEEEEEEAAACH CUTTER
feral atlas
that's us
feral atlas
nah; fucking around is for regular games
brittle fractal
EEEEEEEEEEE
feral atlas
not going to take chances with EDD
thorny geyser
we had lots of guards and praetorians in EDD
so we finished it with only 300 nitra in reserve
brittle fractal
versed willow
supple quartz
crap I'm so sorry team I was with if any of you happen to be in here dog knocked over my.rputer I'm on my.phone I feel so bad we just activated the blackbox and I was supposed to seal our bunker
versed willow
wraith shard
bunker
you deserved it, elf
management pays you to mine stuff and kill aliens not cower in a coffin
frail zodiac
bunker bad me good updoots to left
brittle fractal
grim drum
huh that EDD doesn't look too bad except that last stage
low O2 is very high on the list of mutators i hate]
celest oasis
Second mission is a doozy if your scout doesn't use flares
And so many swarmers lol
By far the trickiest is the 2nd stage with all the leeches and steep cliff
turbid badger
bitter garnet
I slept over this EDD and wondered if I entered DD by mistake
hearty vector
tardy quiver
"Dastardly Lodge" Sandblasted Corridors
2 Dreadnoughts, 150 Morkite; Rich Atmosphere, Regenerative Bugs
4 Eggs, 1 Black Box; No mutators
3 Mini-Mules, 150 Morkite; Exploder Infestation
fringe kettle
the DD wasn't really noteworthy except for stage 3. One giant fucking cavern with a ton of stuff to kill.
tardy quiver
we also had a few bulks spawn in during the repair
fringe kettle
got a couple bulks as well
ended up having to eat one of their explosions to keep it off the fuel cells
tardy quiver
over at reddit people said that on EDD bulks also spawned fairly consistently, so it could be fun to try cryo + carpet bomber
odd comet
Yeah, there was a decent amount of bulks
verbal wagon
How is the EDD this week? Bad as lasts?
tardy quiver
Lasts was pretty easy though? (compared to previous to it two weeks which had lethal on 2nd and 3rd)
verbal wagon
well i wasn't playing again before last week Xd so it is all the reference i have ;3;
Reason I ask is I have a relatively new player friend who did the DD and I am wondering if this weeks EDD is good to show him exactly what a challenge is without overdoing it. And also that I just wanna know cus I curious.
inner void
Stage 2 of EDD was pretty hectic, we got a double bulk when we popped the dread egg and burned so much ammo getting things under control. And then even more for the two pod events
Having a good time in the bar afterwards https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/781872900828503448/39019DB426FA5B4E7B268750E6D04A6ECAB63008/
celest oasis
The trick if a bulk spawns on last part of salvage is to get your scoot to immediately aggro it away from the fuel cell/uplink
Then your team can focus on clearing the bugs
If the bulks gets really close you're in for a bad time
inner void
First time I did the EDD we failed the uplink because a bulk crawled out of the pod right next to us
they need to fix that
at least have it dig out of actual rock
celest oasis
I believe whoever is doing the most damage to the bulk will receive aggro
So let your scoot pop the boils on the bulk first
But ye a few weeks ago had that issue too lol
No one luring bulk away, walks up to fuel pod, boom evey one shot lol
inner void
you can still recover from that in some cases, if you have cryo cannon or grenades you can freeze the bulk and kill it
I accidentally messed that up when I was doing the regular DD, I forgot I had incendiary on my boomstick and I unfroze the bulk when I double tapped it to finish it off
celest oasis
I wish that People using fire dmg wouldn't counteract freeze lol
It should at least do something extra like flash thawing should inflict more dmg or something
odd comet
Sometimes people just need to be more aware of what's going on though
Like when the scout throws a cryo at a group of enemeies I've been hosing down with a flamethrower
And it does nothing
brittle relic
First level of the EDD was easy
celest oasis
How was second level lol
brittle relic
I screwed up, forgot it was cave leach cluster and got a little too bold
candid trench
I just got whittled down too much while trying to clear the leeches
brittle relic
that second level is bullshit
quiet wyvern
it really is, even me and my friend barely got anything done without getting overwhelmed
verbal wagon
oof this does not inspire me to do the EDD
oblique osprey
Just YOLO it at least for the blank core
Haz 4.5 isn't too overwhelming if you can do Haz 4 reliably
But yeah, Stage 2 usually kicks in hard
fringe kettle
it really isn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be
I think I only went down once and that was because I screwed up avoiding the dread.
the defend portion is in a relatively easy to defend area
odd comet
Once you've cleared out the leeches and brood nexuses, it's not bad, yes
But it's a very convoluted room that's a pain to move through, and you're trying to clear the nexuses and leeches with constant ambient swarms attacking you
subtle spear
died so many times to the 2nd lvl of the elite now, messy room
"Leach above me, care!"
kills two leaches, starts rezzing, gets grabbed by 3rd leach
aight I'm out
oblique osprey
The worst is when the Scout gets leeched
So you have no-one to throw an emergency ceiling flare to make sure everything is cleared out
And well... have the best ranged weapons to take care of them
wraith shard
scout gets leeched and you only have cycle overload fatboy engie
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lone mango
God, the second stage of the EDD absolutely blows
Defending Salvage stuff with up to 2 Bulk detonators, in a massive room with shit terrain, an insane amount of leeches, and multiple swarmer spawners
fallow zenith
What's the point of EDD if you can't finish them? I'm curious. Deep dives are a fun activity, but banging your head on the wall is not fun.
hollow flower
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vale falcon
you get the similar reward as the dd, the edd is for vets so they can get more faster
inner void
It's supposed to be hard, even the veterans don't complete it everyt ime
wraith shard
deep dives take me two or three tries at most
they're not hard just tedium
unlike normal missions where I am more liable to play risky because I want the gold/crafting minerals/whatever, deep dives you just slog through and they're done for a week
gating special rewards behind deep dives does not help players enjoy them though, the whole implementation of deep dives were to make them a weekly chore along with assignments
Ah I see a fellow man of culture
vale falcon
Elite Deep dives are skill gated, and it doesn't stop you from getting OCs, the only stop from doing deep dives is the promotion requirement, other than that, nothing is stopping you from winning an edd
celest oasis
Edd you gotta go fast, grab the nitra nd objective then yeet out of there
Leave the gold nooo 
sullen widget
Deep dives are definitely lack luster in my opinion. There isn't enough "wow" or anything special about them except rewards.
If it wasn't for OCs I wouldn't play them.
I don't know what the devs should do to make them feel more unique, but I definitely think something needs to be done..... maybe instead of having 3 disconnected caves by a loading screen, which is no different than playing 3 normal matches. Have one singular cave with a ton of branches and dead ends with 4-5 objectives.
limber storm
i think they should have a unique objective, something you only see in deep dives
people suggested some raid kind of stuff
sullen widget
Raid type bosses, and jump puzzles, and environmental effects would be amazing.
limber storm
yeah tho jump puzzles would be hard to implement given how everything can be destroyed
but i like the idea of raiding a boss (that isnt a dread)
bitter garnet
The only unique is that the secondary objective is another primary
sullen widget
And that doesn't even switch up play in any meaningful way.
sullen widget
4 scoot had always been viable.
vast nebula
4 engistairs time
sullen widget
I'm okay with those though. They are solutions to a problem that uses resources.
Maybe the deva could implemented a quick and dirty timed effect where the longer you take, the harder each wave gets........ unless that's already how it works.
sullen widget
It must be super subtle then. I've never noticed on wave being harder than the last.
limber storm
around 20min it gets really hellish
radiant edge
Part two of the dive was such a pain for us
Is there anywhere people upload a virtual map of the weekly dives? Would be cool!
wraith shard
one giant deep dive map with nonstandard objectives would at least be slightly more interesting
throw in some secondary objectives and required machine events too or something
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vale falcon
thats the olde exploration mode
wispy gazelle
Endless could be epic if there was cave generation or somtin
Or just an endless deep dive I suppose
cinder gorge
I mean....Kinda sounds like Haz5 Extraction Point. You just play as Engi & Drill combo to manipulate the map into a funhouse of Bug destruction!
torn star
Just promoted my first char! How long is this weeks deep dive?
Concidering playing it before sleep
crimson arch
a simple DD usually takes around an hour, depends on how long you enjoy exploring there
there's only nitra and gold to collect, as well as those that come with objectives
speedrunners tend to be happy if they get under 30mins, I think
torn star
Noice
verbal wagon
So what exactly is the EDD this week mission/modifier wise?
wispy gazelle
The Elite one?
No shield on the first one, morphite and black box
Second is cave leech swam, with kill 1 big boi and mini mule mission
Third I know was morphite but I forgot the modifier
fringe kettle
no o2
and everytime I do a no o2 I'm reminded that it's just a chore to slog through.
I think having some kind of o2 mineral commonly in the walls would make it much easier to go through. Basically red sugar, but for o2.
wraith shard
just hang out near the mule isnt not hard
fringe kettle
Difficulty is not the problem. The problem with that mutator (in its current state) is the large amount of time doing nothing when you could be mining and progressing the objective. It doesn't increase difficulty, it just makes completing objectives a chore.
wraith shard
Its supposed to slow the game down and force cohesion
Makes you adapt and change your strategy from breakneck speed at all times
ebon tree
I think it would be much more reasonable, then, if you had a shorter o2 supply, but it recharged nearly instantly when you approach a source
and then to balance point extraction you just make aquarqs give off a little bit of o2 so while you're carrying one your supply doesn't deplete
there would be a lot less brainless waiting by mules, but it would draw in the effective radius the squad can cover away from the mule
celest oasis
Took me nearly an hour with a random team on edd
Leech cave cluster with steep drops was tricky lol
thorny geyser
I think low o2 would work better if there were "gas pockets" on depression parts of the map
but that would require gas mechanics to be implemented
wraith shard
I would agree with the O2 meter not being so slow
ebon tree
I think that having non-mule/resupply sources of o2 when not absolutely necessary would kind of lower the intent behind no o2
it's suppose to force people to go at a slower pace and group up
wraith shard
or just vents like the steam vents on glacial strata
Plants that produce oxygen like in subnautica
faint otter
Codename Evil Ground
more like Codename Bulk Detonators
Is this a higher bulk rate than normal? We got five on our run
On elite that is
honest tide
sounds about right
celest oasis
oblique osprey
So, what is the Elite Deep Dive couple this week ?
late coral
I don't know what everyone's complaining about, I completed the EDD on my first try
I was left behind on the second stage because 2 bulks spawned next to me but it was a lot of fun
late coral
That's true
limber storm
at least i knew about the huge amount of leeches in the 2nd room
so no problems with that
had 1 very close call during black box, but otherwise it went well
celest oasis
Easiest class to solo edd on iyo?
oblique osprey
Probably Scout
Maximum personal evasion, and Bosco is an infinite well of shock bullets
Also Pheros allow you to delay hordes for precious dozens of seconds
Just remember to build Bosco for maximum damage and slot an extra revive in him in case you get in trouble
wraith shard
both are ok just pick whichever is more fun
celest oasis
How do you mod bosco?
wraith shard
damage talents with the 3 revive talents and cryo rockets
or you can do rocket recharge build
depends on how good you are at kiting a swarm
celest oasis
I feel like hoverclock lets you get some amazing angles for grabbing caps and flowers off walls
Hard to do solo lol
wraith shard
yea it lets you recharge your tool in time usually
celest oasis
Do i save two rockets for praets?
wraith shard
No you can just let bosco kill them
celest oasis
Oh ok so use them for panic cc?
wraith shard
ideally you want to kite the bugs into a nice mosh then use it to be as efficient as possible
the recharge time is 90s without the mod
celest oasis
What loadout do you use on your scout, mods perks etc
Might give edd solo a try this week
oblique osprey
Rockets is for panic carpets
And if you get surprised by a Bulk on Stage 2
Since Bulks only aggro on you and the second objective is in a really bad place
And for loadout I'd say either Rifle/Zhukovs for max versatility or M1000/Zhukov for picks
celest oasis
Prefered ocs and wep mods?
oblique osprey
Clean on Zhukov, clean on rifle. For M1000 the perk that gives you super good focus shots is preferable
Remember to build Zhukov to have the accuracy perk so you can use it to clean Glyphids at a reasonable range
celest oasis
Is blow through good on zhu?
oblique osprey
Very good ye
It gives you more mileage with your ammo in hordes
Especially since bullets tend to fly all over the place when you're jamming down the triggers
celest oasis
Hmm i have the one that has no movement penalty on focus shots and hoverclock
Any good lol
oblique osprey
Hoverclock is good but you need to intentionally put yourself in its use case
No movement penalty on focus is hot trash
feral atlas
i've been playing on experimental on haz 5
nothing's really changed
other than the fact that people that don't belong on the difficulty now really don't belong on the difficulty
paper elbow
I mean I play h5 exclusively, got 400 hours, and run fully upgraded promoted dwarves on h5. I don't feel like the mode will be manageable without IW now.
Do I not belong in haz 5?
feral atlas
Honestly? Yes. Or you need to find good teammates. I've been running experimental haz5 shieldless and lethal enemies missions. 0 downs is still the most common result.
paper elbow
How do you do that?
feral atlas
By killing faster than they spawn?
That, and just hustling.
stuff like this is still very possible; even probable
wraith shard
people are scared that their meta is being changed
feral atlas
though experimental is a better place to discuss this
wraith shard
NOOOOOO I CANT STOP RNGESUS WITHOUT IRON WILLLL
feral atlas
In general, if you were already getting 0-2 downs on Haz5, the iron will nerf will not change anything.
If anything, it might actually be a buff.
since it now last longer and gives you roids
feral atlas
If you don't go down
once per game, is one more time than you needed
in short the iron will change does nothing to people on the higher end of the skill distribution
hallow wagon
I was about ready to post that I beat my first EDD, but when I activated the final black box a bulk spawned on top of me.
wraith shard
classic
distant steppe
@feral atlas At some point, I think it'd be interesting to see what your experience in the game is like, as it often seems to contradict mine.
feral atlas
which part of the game?
You also should realize that I do take deliberate steps to influence what my teammates look like
I don't just take any garbage that comes down the chute.
And if I do, I consciously decide that it is a risk I'm willing to live with.
distant steppe
Specifically the enemy behavior, as I rather often, even on lower difficulties, encounter damage that appears unavoidable.
feral atlas
Unavoidable damage and fatal damage are not the same thing.
distant steppe
They can be, in my experience.
feral atlas
There is probably unavoidable damage, the question is if it's greater than shield strength, or if it happens often enough to chip through health before the next resupply
Unavoidable fatal damage that's solely from RNG is blue moon, 1 in 500 games stuff
The rest of the time, it's just a slow roll failure that's entering the final stages.
The immediate thing that ends up killing you is a result of some mistake you made 1 minute ago.
Or you already lost at the loading screen before the mission started.
And the thing killing you is just the instrument of a larger dynamic.
distant steppe
The sad thing is you're saying this to someone who was recently removed from the pod by a Mactera grabber before he could exit and then dropped onto said pod from a fatal distance with a full team unable to do anything about it.
feral atlas
Players can die from freak accidents. Teams don't.
I personally am not concerned about any individual player's fate including my own as long as we win.
distant steppe
Indeed, the mission otherwise went fine after that. Doesn't change the RNG kill with nothing I could do about it.
feral atlas
Freak accidents like ninja dets or grabbers can kill players. But you don't get a team wipe unless you've allowed it to happen.
It's also on your team to react quickly enough to grabbers.
distant steppe
Assuming the terrain permits.
hollow flower
I think that's a bit condescending, with RNG being as it is there is totally situations where you can team wipe and play it perfectly
feral atlas
RNG team wipes exist but are exceedingly rare.
And usually are just actually combinations of paranoia or preparation checks.
I'm sorry if this sounds pedantic, but my mentality comes from playing Darkest Dungeon, XCOM, and other RNG dependent games.
RNG can fuck you, it's true. But the vast majority of the time, it's your fault for getting sloppy, cocky, or just ignorant of certain mechanics or possibilities.
You can either blame the RNG, or blame yourself, and file away that particular scenario for future reference in order to learn to deal with it.
With the right mentality and enough experience, you would need multiple, terrible RNG rolls to actually lose you the game. The vast majority of losses do not come out of the blue, they either come as slow rolls where you've be slowly losing a battle of attrition, or you made a critical fuck up in the planning phase and the game just happens to serve up a particular scenario that you should have known was possible but didn't prepare for.
distant steppe
I'll stand by my original statement, that it'd be interesting to see what your experience in the game is like given what mine has been.
feral atlas
My profile is public. Assuming you have tolerable ping to the NA West Coast, you can just add me. I'll be on experimental playing Haz5 until it goes live.
wraith shard
feelze preaches it though
majority of the time people complaining about RNG screwing them have just mismanaged resources or strategy
occasionally you will well and truly be shafted by RNG but that's the whole nature of the procedural game trying to throw random situations at you, some are going to be more difficult then others
you're not going to get a consistent experience because its not designed to be
majority of the fun is adapting to whatever the game can throw at you and if you can't -- you loose
wraith zodiac
The only times I say "fucking RNG" is Bulks spawn when defending on Salvation/Blackbox. I can't handle those shit alone.
The rest is just hearing. Grabbers are too loud to be a hassle.
distant steppe
Grabbers can also (1) facespawn, and (2) wallhack. Both of which significantly increase their corresponding frustration.
wraith shard
use your ears bro
they make such an unplesant racket
and you don't even have to sneeze on them to get them to piss off for a few seconds
distant steppe
Not true, I've had one tank four shots without retreating.
wraith shard
try shooting it in the glowy part
distant steppe
Yep, that's what I aim for.
wraith shard
and that sounds incredibly cherry picked among hundereds of encounters
distant steppe
The hit detection isn't the most reliable thing, though.
Indeed, that's by far the worst I've had as far as that particular parameter.
Though in the last few months they've been more resilient than previously.
At least, for me.
wraith shard
then its not really indicative of usual behavior of grabbers then
distant steppe
I've also had 4 instances of wallhacking, 2 of facespawning, etc.
wraith shard
half the time grabbers just whisk me away from the swarm that was about to kill me
distant steppe
When it's just me failing to live up to the situation I'm given, yeah that's on me. That's not what I complain about.
Nah, for me they drag me into the swarm, generally.
Most of my solo EDD wipes have been from stubborn grabbers that just wouldn't accept that I was shooting them.
frank pollen
which are the best upgrades for the weapon smg voltaico stubby?
feral atlas
Honest answer is switching to the shotgun.
frank pollen
I like the shotgun but it's to try that one, but I don't know what upgrader to place them
feral atlas
mostly accuracy, direct damage, and ammo
frank pollen
direct damage would be normal damage, not electric
feral atlas
yes
frank pollen
and the cutter?
verbal wagon
oh that feel when the driller either dcs or leaves in the first part of the EDD and you know the second is going to eat you alive....but you try anyway!
vernal belfry
Sheesh, this weeks DD had like 5 bulks on the last mission
frank pollen
which are the best upgrade for the breach cutter weapon?
quiet wyvern
Double split line is one of them, for me personally
verbal wagon
say this not as a jerk or anything but breach cutter is in a real bad place atm.
celest oasis
Imagine using the bread cutter ~ brought to you from the pgl gang
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glossy matrix
Just tried the EDD as solo scout. I was doing fine until the blackbox. I was nearly complete with the uplink when a bulk spawned on top of me, and then too many waves of swarmers to keep up with. RIP.
bitter garnet
Couldnt you pheromone spam?
glossy matrix
I use cryo.
bitter garnet
That's your answer then
frail zodiac
solo scout without phermones is just asking for wipe tbh
wraith shard
Scout doesnt have any good swarm clearing weapons
The double barrel is pretty okay in a pinch
Blowthrough pellets can deal a lot of damage to tight clumps and the built in shockwave does some more
celest oasis
Shockwave or blow through for boom stick?
glossy matrix
Nope, it's not pheromones, it's me. I got wrecked on the second stage (but no bulk on the first stage).
wraith shard
Blowthrough will give you better damage against medium targets but shockwave will delete nearby swarmers
wraith shard
It will flash freeze them im pretty sure but not kill them
quiet wyvern
Any loadout suggestions for The Evil ground EDD, solo as Engineer?
brittle fractal
heavy torrent
Yes Iโm mad that I wasted 4 hours not earning anything
quiet wyvern
I have Conquered the Evil Ground 
thorny geyser
not so evil now, are ya ground
quiet wyvern
No it is not
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quiet wyvern
What I did was put sentries down before entering the room, or cave, fight off swarms while staying mobile and beware of the leaches. Try to repair the mules first, then kill the dread after. If you can, meaning if you survive that long, try to bunker with the uplink and fuel cells, it'll take some hassle out
that's what me and my friend did
verbal wagon
What makes zone 2 so annoying to me are those dang jellies. So many jellies.
So many...
Although to be fair everytime I made it to part 2 my driller was either braindead and brought cryo or left after part 1
fallow idol
quick newbie question: what difficult is Deep dive? is it equivalent to Haz 4?
wraith shard
everyone keeps parroting that it's equivalent to like haz 3.5 or something
but yes DD is essentially haz4 and EDD is haz5
hollow flower
It goes 3-3.5-3.5, its pretty much h3
rotund ivy
fallow idol
thank you all so much for the answer, i appreciate yall
wind bay
Okay this sucks. My friend and I actually made it to the very end of the Deep Dive today and were holding our triangulation zone with some 400+ Nitra saved up. We put down resupply pods here and there to make sure we'd be okay. Things were going well. It was in the bag. We even had Pots of Gold going so well over 1200 gold collected.
Then.. A frickin' Detonator spawned right on top of us!! There wasn't even any warning. Right there in the final chamber. He killed us both before we could even decide who had aggro to draw him away. Very lame.
thorny geyser
There is a five second grace period before it starts attacking, but that sounds very unfortunate.
wind bay
thing is we survived the first one. Barely. It was actually amazing my buddy managed to kill it while I was down. Overall, I'd say this week's DD is quite doable, except for the final det that lands on top of you while holding the uplink.
hollow flower
Det spawns are random and not consistent with the seeds
wind bay
I've had them be consistent with deep dives before
like, showed up in the exact same hallway multiple times. And then the one which killed us at the salvage droppod. The variation was slight, but they were mostly the same. My first one showed up between the uplink and fuel cells so that was nice. Could draw him away. But then the next one came during the uplink, which sucks because you are pretty much toast.
thorny geyser
If you got trouble with bulks, get as much CC on them as possible.
Electric stun makes them so slow that they might as well walk backward.
heavy torrent
I think we straight up ran out of ammo during the uplink phase and couldnโt shake it once it spawned.
3 of my mates got downed on the link and I couldnโt bait it far enough away before the uplink would fail.
Itโs too bad that it instakills the mission if it goes back down to 0.
wind bay
yes, this ^
Pain in the ass, that feature is.
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celest oasis
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celest oasis
Let the fails begin
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celest oasis
Thats not four dwarf lol
Altho looking like new edd meta is solo
Mactera plague lovely
uncut orbit
I always do first try on edd in solo
celest oasis
Impressive what perks ?
celest oxide
i canยดt join deep dive or elite one ? why?
uncut orbit
dd in progress?
celest oasis
Hmm i dont have leadstorm leadstorm
Any other good minigun perk?
Is bullet hell worth using
clever crest
it is. it's incredibly fun, and quite efficient. costs you some single target though, and can lead to bad habits like not bothering with aiming.
exhaust vectoring is another great one. with t1 accuracy it's not that much of a hindrance, but DPS boost is very noticeable.
uncut orbit
use clean overclocks or compact feed mechanism
for better dps try elephant rounds on revolver
celest oasis
Hmm i have magic bullets
uncut orbit
Bulldog build vs swarmers or another hordes of little bugs - 21222 + magic bullets
celest oasis
I dont have leadstorm oc yet
I have burning hell and bullet hell lol
Go vanilla?
Hmm
slate pine
dang, gauss det into regular det during solo dive ๐ฆ
quiet wyvern
I'm assuming yes
slate pine
i dont have ammo for this
feral atlas
Failed first attempt with 3 after making it to stage 3. I honestly should have trusted my gut and kicked the driller earlier.
He more or less threw the game by popping the dread without telling either of us.
quiet wyvern
What are best characters for duo on this EDD?
wraith shard
gunner engie?
quiet wyvern
Yea scout and engi, or driller and engi maybe
celest oasis
Driller and gunne is nice
quiet wyvern
me and my friend did scout and engi last EDD and beat it
feral atlas
This edd is relatively easy as long as nobody throws.
Just put an engi for stage 3 mactera
quiet wyvern
what's best approach?
feral atlas
Have the engi be a person who is good enough to play Haz5 normally.
Eerybody else just don't do anything stupid.
Like popping dread eggs without telling people.
quiet wyvern
yea i hate those kinds of people
feral atlas
Meh, he's on my shit list now.
quiet wyvern
which stage is the mactera plague, 3?
feral atlas
yes
quiet wyvern
K
feral atlas
w/o pref IW though, I recommend not tolerating any weak links
useless players are fine
quiet wyvern
me and my bud might try the same combo for this EDD, just like the Evil ground, we'll see how it goes
feral atlas
people that actually do stupid things though probalby aren't
quiet wyvern
True enough
fathom dune
So what perks are worth using now?
fringe kettle
so far I'm liking second wind and shield link. I'm probably going to keep using those. Still switching through the rest.
ripe drum
Lots of perks are worth using but the perks are less of a always good choice and more class specific now. Jump boots are amazing with engineer, kinda pointless on scout for example. Only perk I think ill have on all classes is brambles.
keen pasture
Anyone had the game deny you uplinking to mission control even though all other objectives are completed?
(current regular deep dive, second stage)
User problem: I somehow forgot you have to call the M.U.L.E. back to the droppod first. Lol.
limber storm
shield link is popular, but its still too soon to say what is best
clever fern
steeve will get ffed probably ๐ฆ
celest oasis
How come
celest oasis
Iron will is a self revive right?
clever fern
yes
celest oasis
So i wont go down after 12 sec?
clever fern
you will
celest oasis
:(
clever fern
but you can heal like old IW