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#deep-dive-discussion
waxen dawn
"Pheromone" my scout friend doesn't ever use pheromones and I don't wanna pressure them into using them.
waxen dawn
Yeah it's the strongest grenade in the game, basically.
sick wren
Especially Phero on high hazards like EDD is, it's so OP
worthy bronze
So I mean for last weeks
waxen dawn
Even pre-nerf LURE wasn't quite as silly.
worthy bronze
Like just phreomone the dread when you get the swarm
waxen dawn
And unlike Scout, Engi doesn't even have the get out of jail free card.
worthy bronze
When I did it the second time I killed the dread first on the first mission
waxen dawn
Of the hookshot.
waxen dawn
Best thing I do when swarmed as Engi now is LURE to reduce incoming enemies, blow myself up, and try clutch out w/ vampire.
Which I've gotten fairly decent at.
worthy bronze
Haha if I need hp I pheromone and just smack all the enemies
And grapple out
Generally there is a ton of red sugar for me though since I'm a solo player so I rarely do that
waxen dawn
Engi solo EDD last week was not the funnest time.
waxen dawn
I tend to rely a fair bit on careful platform setup to outmanoeuvre the bugs.
worthy bronze
I mean yeah you can do things to manipulate the way they move and what not
To help people with EDD or to do my core hunts
wind nest
new DD/EDD here we go again 🥔 
vale falcon
stage 3 doesnt seem bad
worthy bronze
Oh yeah
feral atlas
I've pre-emptively drinking the tears.
worthy bronze
Bet-c is on stage 3
south flower
got the first stage on EDD solo. Two to go 😄
feral scarab
in solo? there wasn't one with a full team
wind nest
what classes you lot doing for solo EDD?
shy hazel
Gunner, mostly because of the shield and firepower allowing for great horde-clearing
worthy bronze
I cleared with scout
I can't help if you're not ready for lethal enemies haz 5 and you die 10 times in 2 missions
brave dune
just don't get hit bro
indigo jungle
lethal enemies is a ridiculous modifier
worthy bronze
Meh it could be worse
fringe kettle
could be no o2
placid badge
sooo played 4 edd's all 4 games 1-2 players just quit about 1/2 through stage 3 once in stage 2..... f'd us over
worthy bronze
I just had a game where people quit stage 2 cause I was running around the map fine killing stuff and everyone was dying lol
placid badge
😐
worthy bronze
I'm just trying to help
indigo jungle
the stupid zone
worthy bronze
You mean salvage?
indigo jungle
which also makes it harder to see
it also becomes apparent how much of a crutch iron will is
worthy bronze
Hey at least you can't get that one anymore
feral atlas
Day 1, and people already calling EDD-2 impossible.
feral atlas
I already did, sooooooo
feral atlas
impossibru
cerulean magnet
Vintage meme
cerulean magnet
Doctored photo
indigo jungle
feral atlas
I'm sure he will survive.
Maybe missing a few vital parts.
I have faith that, eventually, you'll make it though.
indigo jungle
I have to rely on pubs so your mileage may vary
cerulean magnet
Vet your teams in haz 5 before you commit to edd if you're having trouble
Streamlines the whole deal
feral atlas
yep
sullen rock
Anyone got the low down on this weeks EDD?
feral atlas
Strip mine nitra stage 1, git gud stage 2 because nearly everything kills you by touching you
Stage 3 is snooze
feral atlas
it's kinda hilarious how much damage enemies do stage 2
the only time we actually nearly wiped was when somebody accidentally pickaxed a maggot, dunno if it was me or him
frail zodiac
is stage 2 damage values higher than haz5
feral atlas
downed the scout, nearly killed me from full health
lethal enemies is a multiplicative x3 modifier to damage dealt by the bugs, iirc
frail zodiac
makes you wish there was armor gating
feral atlas
swarmers will eat up about a third of your shield per bite
south flower
dammit. Can't salvage as Scout alone ;;
south flower
thanks. I'll look it up to see how you can solo that last part in Stage 2 ;;
because I struggled really hard just to stay inside ==
sullen rock
Doesnt lethal enemies increase how much damage to take rather than how much damage enemies deal?
worthy bronze
No that's critical weakness
south flower
Critical Weakness is higher damage to weakspots. Lethal Enemies is higher damage to you.
worthy bronze
Yeah
I think he meant to say they take but I'm not sure
Cause critical weakness is the only one I know that does that
south flower
I think he thinks they get more health
no, that's apparently because the 2nd is Haz5...
south flower
So it means I need to pheromone enemies and stay inside the entire time while taking out Macteras and etc.?
worthy bronze
I mean
Praetorians are still a threat to you even if they are pheromoned
Cause their acid breath kills you really fast
feral atlas
no, just continually spray them, and keep them permanently aggro'd, depending on how much nitra you have
south flower
by the looks of it I could resupply 8 more times when I died
worthy bronze
Lol
fringe kettle
just failed my second attempt at the EDD. I had 1/7th of total downs (don't know total amount since one quit before end screen). It's frustrating playing with people who don't know how to play their class or treat the EDD like just another haz 4 mission.
feral atlas
Kill menaces and praets during the duration.
feral atlas
Menances and Praets can kill you by accident even when the pheromones are active.
worthy bronze
Just really gotta kill the praetorians
feral atlas
Due to splash + lethal modifier.
feral atlas
Unless you're engi, you have about a half second in the praet spit before you die.
south flower
I think I can pull this off the 3rd time now that I see how the bugs come around me when I start the uplink
worthy bronze
In a scenario like that ita best you try to run out of the circle
And deal with it
south flower
still I think I'm doing pretty well so far XD
feral atlas
@fringe kettle Don't queue for EDD in groups normally. Queue for pub haz5, run a mission or two, then take the team into EDD if they're not idiots.
frail zodiac
what if they already did EDD
worthy bronze
Make them do it again xd
feral atlas
tomorrow, it won't work nearly as well
and the day after that, it might not work at all
azure stream
So how would you all rate the new EDD? more difficult than the last ones?
south flower
I'll come again the next day... around 8 hours from now. It's already late ;;
amber sail
This EDD sucks.
minor halo
no time to do EDD today, what's the format? I'll do it tmr
amber sail
I hated the last one.
worthy bronze
It's difficult cause if you dont know what you're doing
feral atlas
amber sail
I hate this one just as much.
feral atlas
woops, wrong image
amber sail
It always has to be mission 2
azure stream
Last one was fine for me though
feral atlas
fringe kettle
it isn't so much that it's hard, it's that a lot of people attempting it suck.
minor halo
thx feel~
south flower
Last one!? shivers
It was a nightmare dealing with the dread in shield disrupt
azure stream
Mutators seem ok
feral atlas
Yep. Find the people that don't suck.
fringe kettle
it's probably harder than last weeks, but isn't too bad.
worthy bronze
I meant to do that earlier
feral atlas
Lethal is the hardest mutator in the game, fyi.
frail zodiac
im not an elitist but EDD should at least require 1 promotion per dwarf
minor halo
lethal and a defense hmmm
feral atlas
It is legit worse than shield disruption, you'll see.
You better get a good engi with repellent.
worthy bronze
I mean not really
south flower
You kidding me? DD needs a promotion to go in xD
azure stream
Didnt know. Havent played much lethal yet
minor halo
I main driller and eng because if you want a job done right you do it yourself lol
the only problem is I can't play both at the same time
worthy bronze
I did it solo and I couldn't do last weeks solo
south flower
Anyway, for comparison, a hit from a grunt is 75% of your shield in stage 2.
feral atlas
mactera spitter on 4 man will probably nearly 1 shot you from full
worthy bronze
No
south flower
it takes almost half of your HP even with full shields...
azure stream
dang
feral atlas
depending on armor upgrades
when I play haz5 lethal normally, it usually leaves me at around 20% health
worthy bronze
Please take the hp upgrade
south flower
then take another hit from a grunt or the sting and it's over
azure stream
oof. well. and its magma core so scout is mandatory
minor halo
pubs will prob rely on bunker cheese to be honest
worthy bronze
Yep
south flower
bunker cheese?
minor halo
ugh magma
feral atlas
pubs will just die in the bunker when they try to get out
or die even before the uplink starts
minor halo
I sure hope so heh
feral atlas
it's gonna be funny to watch
south flower
my attempt in a group was on the 2nd stage, they quickly fall.
minor halo
hmmm looks like PUG isn't gonna do it this week unless I get lucky
worthy bronze
Too many people don't know how to not maneuver correctly
south flower
the moment they go into the open xD
azure stream
shield though. I personally think bunker is quite effective here. Better than the salvage mission with exploders
amber sail
or at least was the one time we even got to it
south flower
the uplink is shit as hell. That's where I failed this time
minor halo
so a good eng is critical
amber sail
held out until the shitting fucking spawns instakilled both of us at once
minor halo
@@
worthy bronze
Tbf you failed cause you didnt know how to play the mission correctly
amber sail
grabbers and menaces too
shut sierra
and the idiot gunner kept 'misclicking' and tossing fire grenades in the zone
south flower
err. There are no spawns the first one.
minor halo
driller with radiance maybe
worthy bronze
It's just practice
cerulean magnet
I am glad that the EDD is challenging given that it is supposed to be the hardest thing in the game
feral atlas
you see, in EDD, the real challenge is your teammates
shut sierra
I've tried playing with bronze players
south flower
It's just that in EDD it's a little too brutal for pubs...
amber sail
There's a difference between challenging and artificially inflated difficulty
shut sierra
but only silver seems to hold their own
worthy bronze
That's why I do it solo ^
minor halo
eh should just 2 man it I suppose
feral atlas
Well, I did get through it with 0 downs with a bronze teammate
maybe it depends on team size
worthy bronze
I'm a bronze 2 scout who cleared it solo
minor halo
1-2 man has same spawn rate
worthy bronze
Shut up about that lmao
south flower
Like on Magma Core, on solo, the earthquakes don't happen.
feral atlas
ah
south flower
maybe I'm crazy, but
amber sail
there was no place to step without being burned
worthy bronze
Yep
feral atlas
anyways, I'm finished for the week probably on this EDD; it's easy enough but lethal isn't a modifier that tolerates stupid teammates
worthy bronze
You got lucky
feral atlas
pubs are gonna be unnecessarily frustrating
minor halo
what what I hear I'll be playing eng then
south flower
the solo runs I ran on both the 1st and 2nd stage has no earthquakes
feral atlas
engi + repellent plat makes stage 2 ez
worthy bronze
That's just good rng
minor halo
yeah plat funnelling is amazing
worthy bronze
Just a scout who can pheromone properly makes stage 2 ez
feral atlas
except that menace
south flower
What's plat fuunnelling?
feral atlas
fucking menace stage 2 kills you in 3 seconds
minor halo
it's sad you rarely see an eng that knows how to funnel
use the fact that AI path around your platform to control the direction they come from
amber sail
getting 3 menaces stage 2 fucking sucked
cerulean magnet
Sounds like bunker to me
worthy bronze
I thought that was common sense
south flower
I'm aware of this, but I'm not creative enough to mmake a funnel yet.
amber sail
but the game had to take it away with bad spawns
worthy bronze
Boom
cerulean magnet
A bunker is just a plat funnel with one approach 
minor halo
ppl that think bunker is funnel shouldn't touch eng tbh
stiff harness
at least there werent any detonators
south flower
Can I get a screenshot example of a funnel?
worthy bronze
It's all fun and games with that strategy until you get a mactera swarm though
And on lethal enemies
Gl
minor halo
simplest case is plat up the wall above you some they come from you at 2 sides of the wall, and that's where you put a prox each
feral atlas
pgl w/ prox fuse still destroys mactera
@south flower example of a funnel on last week's EDD stage 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwi214b9fc&feature=youtu.be
worthy bronze
Did you clear this weeks or nah
south flower
worthy bronze
Yeah was asking you
feral atlas
Yes.
worthy bronze
I just did it a completely different way is all and I did die either
feral atlas
Wasn't that bad. Then again, i actually play haz5 lethal enemies.
worthy bronze
Same
feral atlas
So the modifier didn't blind side me.
I had the appropriate fear of, well, everything.
worthy bronze
Yeah I knew exactly what was happening
I just got q bit unlucky the first time
Bosco shot a volcano with me going over it for some reason lmao
No red sugar in time
south flower
@feral atlas I definitely gained the aversion to bugs too, going stage 2.
worthy bronze
And I got about 4 to 5 praetorians that came during the fuel cell salvage
But the second go around was easy enough
south flower
I managed to weather the storm by pheromones and just staying as far as possible.
worthy bronze
Little sweating on the menace dodging but really fun
worthy bronze
I did gk2 boomstick
Don't let other people know you're using the gk2 over the m1k they'll call you bad
wind nest
omg you not using M1000!
tranquil basalt
Actually if you have a very good aim the gk2 is great
Plus i prefer the fast playstyle of the gk2
lofty pollen
gk2 is more versatile imo
amber sail
'oh stage 2 is not that hard'
it's fucking bullshitr
tiny area lethal bugs
fuck that
it's not fun
lofty pollen
elite or normal?
amber sail
the goddamned elite
lofty pollen
ah
amber sail
idiotic fucking rng
wind nest
Seen someone use the Gk2 with armour dmg, takes off armour with ease
amber sail
I don't care about all of you 'oh, I did it just fine, being oneshot by bugs isn't so bad,' but I can't do it.
I can not.
It's too fucking infuriatingly stacked and utter bullshit.
Looks like I'm giving up on one of my weekly OCs and skins
not like they were going to be for a class I play anyway so who cares
too fucking salty right now
feral atlas
I didn't really sweat. I just took my sweet time getting everything right.
Spending the nitra bank from stage 1 on a minefield for stage 2.
worthy bronze
Well sometimes shit happens solo and you gotta sweat it out to get it done
tranquil basalt
I offered you to help
feral atlas
It was the AoE clean one for the autocannon.
amber sail
if you want to jump in with 3 people
feral atlas
i.e., not carpet bomber
feral atlas
More farms for the proxy mines
worthy bronze
Most people are underestimating the damage that these bugs do
feral atlas
Just treat everything as though it'll kill you if it touches you.
worthy bronze
That's literally the case
worthy bronze
It's definitely an experience
feral atlas
There are a number of 1 shots that are pretty noticable if you aren't at full health.
Acid spitter got pretty close.
worthy bronze
I keep on getting elemental reloads lmao
frail zodiac
i keep getting garbage m1k mods and shitty 'staches
got compact rounds for pgl tho, which is nice
amber sail
@tranquil basalt You want to see what kind of hell 3-person EDDs are?
knotty rampart
how bad is the edd?
frosty helm
1st stage has shitty dreadnought fight, 2nd has silent swarms or some shit like that
stiff harness
you need a plan for map 2 but 1 and 3 are on the easy side
frosty helm
3rd one was EZ compared to the rest.
knotty rampart
related to last week edd?
amber sail
Worse.
knotty rampart
damn it
rotund ivy
i would say only mission 2 is difficult
knotty rampart
im gonna try
waxen dawn
Regular DD was harder than prior weeks IMO.
The fuel cell in the final mission dropped in the worst place.
frosty helm
stage 1 was difficulty too unless you get lucky with it... all the teams I found really struggled to beat the dreadnought
rest of the mission wasn't too hard, but not too easy either.
hushed ether
@frosty helm try beating him at the begining when are is still clean, and wave is not too hard
when arena*
frosty helm
there's no good location to fight it and the small swarm that spawns when you start fighting it doesn't make it any easier <.<
hushed ether
depends the team really
frosty helm
Always turns into chaos
I got lucky with first team, EZ. but rest the 5 teams struggled, even the one I beat rest of the EDD with
First team got rekt by stage 2 silent swarms
hushed ether
theses are not really silent swarm each time someone take a leg a swarm can appear
frosty helm
It is silent if it's not announced
hushed ether
happens evens in regular mission, but some just rush drones and don't check what others do, so it messes up
frosty helm
Never had problem with 'swarms' spawned by legs in normal missions.
wind nest
exploders can creep up on you
hushed ether
Sure but you know that a wave can occur by doing theses action so people should stick together then everyone would know that a wave can spawn
wind nest
though the moment you hear them about to explode, run
frosty helm
EDD stage 2 just felt like swarms were on steroids.
amber sail
I'm the only one who can't do it
versed willow
Lethal enemies are just the result of Glyphids raiding a storage base for Skull Crusher Ale.
amber sail
aren't I
waxen dawn
How's it stage up to last week's EDD stage 2?
stiff harness
This week's worse I'd say
Don't get much breathing room compared to the no shield map
vernal belfry
Idk I completed this one on my 2nd try, it helps not having a dreadnought egg on a tiny room during a wave
waxen dawn
At least there's no sand sharks.
amber sail
We fucking completed stage 2 in my books
but oh no of course not according to the game
both times we held out until pod opened
and both times BS oneshots downed both of us at the same time
I fucking utterly despise this week's EDD
vernal belfry
damn
cerulean magnet
Looking forward to the challenge of it
waxen dawn
What is stage 2's goals anyway?
cerulean magnet
Salvage
waxen dawn
All I know is it's Magma Core w/ lethal enemies.
cerulean magnet
People get caught out sometimes on salvage cuz the last minute is sometimes the hardest
feral atlas
waxen dawn
Oh god. I'm not a fan of salvage.
IMO the sections where you have to stand in the sphere are the hardest parts of the game.
Mostly because it's so easy for you to get screwed.
sonic forge
If you have driller and engineer it's easier since you can make the play area as big as the bubble
waxen dawn
Suddenly spawning sand sharks, or rolly boys, or force-you-to-run-away bulks.
vernal belfry
This week's DD had so many salvage missions
waxen dawn
Is bunkering feasible?
cerulean magnet
Depends on if you ask someone who hates bunkers
waxen dawn
My friends and I have no shame and will do whatever we find necessary.
woeful shadow
oi lads, whats the EDD looking like for mutators
frail zodiac
scroll up
cerulean magnet
Far as I'm concerned bunkers are always an option if you have enough nitra to spam pancakes and an attentive driller listening for bulks
woeful shadow
I saw one of them was Lethal which sounds spooki
cerulean magnet
Bulks don't kill a run if you bunker, long as you pay attention
woeful shadow
Thanks chief
feral atlas
every time somebody asks
glacial igloo
Do you like pop out to kill the bulk?
runic lichen
Good bot
waxen dawn
Our team uhh... They get a bit complacent on final bunker.
They make me plug up the hole with pancakes then at least one person will AFK since nothing can technically get in.
cerulean magnet
You drill out and focus the bulk applying all the cc you have
Or have the target kite it away
If there's a lull you can have scout run out on his own to kite it for the remainder
woeful shadow
Stage 2 of EDD looks like a nightmare this week
cerulean magnet
Careful sealing it up completely, bugs can spawn on you if the game can't path them in
runic lichen
Hey, Panishev, is it possible we were on the same team there?
Your name looks familiar
And I did just complete EDD with randoms on first try
sick wren
2nd stage is nightmare indeed. We with gunner left alive on 5 hp, huge swarm after us, I slowed down and suicided with nade launcher under me with Iron Will while gunner escaped to pod
waxen dawn
Doesn't Steam let you check people you recently played with?
amber sail
I don't see myself doing this week's EDD with my usual duo.
Though I guess if someone who found it 'easy' wants to put their money where their mouth is and come show me exactly what I'm doing wrong.
runic lichen
@sick wren Okay, I was mistaken
glacial igloo
Really? I tried a full bunker once when I had a Betsy to see if she would just kill everything and nothing spawned inside
cerulean magnet
It doesn't seem to have any consistency, but it has definitely happened
To be fair I haven't tried it in a while and it can be hard to have much of a discussion about bunkers without getting shouted down sometimes
exotic hollow
how's the regular Deep Dive looking?
amber sail
fine
glacial igloo
Does it have to do with bunker size maybe? I've always assumed bugs don't like to spawn right next to you so larger one gives more spawn space?
amber sail
it has lethal enemies for stage 2 as well
waxen dawn
Lethal enemies too but eh.
amber sail
but it's balanced out by an actual good mutator
while EDD is just fucking sandpaper to your asshole.
exotic hollow
well a lot better than haunted point extraction and you have to fight a dreadnought
feral atlas
Rewdalf, what time zone are you in?
waxen dawn
At least we can watch GSG tomorrow suffer as we do on the EDD.
cerulean magnet
I love how forthcoming they are about the fact that they aren't the best at their game
Like it or not elite deep dive is supposed to be the most challenging thing to do in the game rn
Also rewdalf, don't leave schadenfreude hanging like that
glacial igloo
Haunted is easier than lethal imo
cerulean magnet
I'd agree with that
amber sail
easily
feral atlas
Haunted is tedious but easy
waxen dawn
I'd agree yeah.
But at least lethal doesn't force me to change how I play the game I guess?
Swings and roundabouts.
cerulean magnet
There's always going to be some combination of random elements that has a harder result than others
waxen dawn
If lethal just made me have lower HP in general then I'd be having a really bad time.
Since blowing myself up intentionally isn't all that uncommon a manoeuvre.
cerulean magnet
Or having to worry more about small amounts of fall damage
waxen dawn
Lure, PGL at my feet, try vampire out.
cerulean magnet
Shield disrupt in biozone with cactuses everywhere was hilarious and stupid
waxen dawn
My concern is my friends and I won't play enough DRG this week to do the damn EDD.
Also that the whole iterative process for harder deep dives is a pain. You can't really practice a single stage. It's do or die every time.
cerulean magnet
I think that's why for the past few weeks the first mission feels like a softball
So that it's less tedious to get through to the stuff you failed at before
More wiggle room to squeeze out more nitra too
waxen dawn
Is it intentionally made so that the first stage is easier?
I haven't paid attention to if first missions of EDDs have had mutators for each week.
cerulean magnet
I can't speak for intention, but it seemed to work out that way for my group
amber sail
I only have one friend who is (competent enough) to do the EDD with and we keep failing.
cerulean magnet
The second one consistently is the tough nut to crack
amber sail
No idea where I'll find two more people.
waxen dawn
When do you usually play?
amber sail
Between now and again sometime tonight.
glacial igloo
Last week's first one was like consistently doable but got tedious to me lol just so much running back and forth on low o2
waxen dawn
Yeah last week's first one we got every time. I did fail it once when I tried solo gunner-ing it.
cerulean magnet
I'm blanking on what the first stage was if I'm being honest, I don't even remember it
amber sail
inconveniently placed aquarqs on low ox
cerulean magnet
Right
waxen dawn
Very vertical cavern.
cerulean magnet
I forgot, people didn't like that room
cerulean magnet
I'll be honest, we went into that one blind and did it the first try
waxen dawn
We blinded it first time, though it was annoying.
amber sail
after I ran it had to run it a few more times for a friend
waxen dawn
Also since it was PE we never really made a specific optimal route or order for collecting nitra and such.
We just ran around and did whatever we felt we had to.
glacial igloo
I mean yeah if you do it once I guess it can't be tedious
feral atlas
Rewdalf, just organize a team with the regulars.
Or duo engi scout with somebody who does haz5 and knows the typical salvage setup.
amber sail
I keep asking there but nobody bites.
So I'm trying here.
My usual duo of gunner/scout worked great for every EDD up until this one.
Now we've hit a wall.
waxen dawn
Rewdalf: Are you averse to bumbling morons who fail to spit out anything other than "ack, ah bd, uhh... boom, bulk detonator" in that order whenever they see one?
full raft
Are you speaking of yourself?
waxen dawn
Yes.
full raft
At least you speak.
waxen dawn
I've not played with not-friends before so honestly I'd probably be better than my usual bossyish self.
full raft
Well I’ll be doing my first DD in T-minus 2 hours.
waxen dawn
Good luck. Shouldn't be too bad.
amber sail
Averse to what?
Actual communication? That's a plus.
And I have a friend who stutters real bad, I got used to it.
full raft
He’s asking if he can play with you pretty sure.
amber sail
Any help is good help
waxen dawn
What's your duo again? In terms of party composition.
full raft
Technically more players means mor bugs so they gotta carry their weight. But yes. All help is good.
amber sail
Well we go gunner/scout but it's not set in stone.
also 3 man teams are even worse hell than 2 just fyi
the bug scaling is broken for 3 person teams in that it spawns 50% more ffor just one extra teammate
full raft
4 man is where it’s at
amber sail
while for 4 man it adds only 20% more for the fourth person
feral atlas
3 man is actually a pretty big jump from2l 2
waxen dawn
I mostly engi but I can into gunner. Other two classes sadly aren't promoted yet. Haven't been able to dedicate as much time as I'd like.
glacial igloo
It does feel like between 2 and 3 is real different lol
feral atlas
It is no longer a clutch or lose situation if 1 player goes down in a 3 man
waxen dawn
Yeah that's a nice difference.
full raft
Give me two hours lol. So sorry maybe next time?
waxen dawn
Though admittedly when we did 3-man for last week's EDD it was nuts. Stage 2 grunt swarm just felt like there were way too many enemies for how many of us there were.
We'd have wiped if I hadn't pancaked all the red sugar in the starting cave and our scout wasn't really good w/ clutch hookshots.
sonic forge
Did you have driller
waxen dawn
(If you're talking to me, no it was me (Engi), Gunner, Scout. Our Driller friend was absent that day.)
stiff harness
Are you supposed to start the normal DD with a bunch of Nitra/Gold...
wanton basin
Why would you..?
stiff harness
I'm doing map 1 and I just noticed I have 250/150
After hitting maybe 2 nitra veins
feral scarab
you get nitra and gold from repairing mini mules
knotty rampart
on the first one for the fuel cells, if youre scout, you can just hang on to the droppod and not die
glacial igloo
Wait really?
knotty rampart
yes
vernal belfry
mind = blown
knotty rampart
just did it
glacial igloo
Is this just a DD thing or in all salvage?
knotty rampart
all salvage if the zone is close enough
waxen dawn
I think I'm gonna try solo EDD mostly to try get familiar with it moreso than anything else.
knotty rampart
aight i gotta do second dd
feral scarab
all salvage missions
waxen dawn
Uhhh. Do you guys have any thoughts on which of Engi or Gunner would be easier to solo with this week for the EDD?
I did just unlock Lead Storm.
rotund ivy
gunner
waxen dawn
Shout out to the lava geyser right by the mining platform.
knotty rampart
the second point extract has triggered my ptsd from last weeks edd
cerulean magnet
explosives placed
dense obsidian
wewie that EDD has quite the gotcha at the end with stage 3
2 dreads
barely any nitra
waxen dawn
I really wish I had Scout promoted, just so I could explore stage 1 of EDD to know where all the nitra is.
worthy rock
This weeks' EDD is not too kind to me and my friends. Twice we got a double Bulk spawn mid mission and some additional random ones during extractions
RIP
waxen dawn
What you get?
knotty rampart
combat mobility
torpid burrow
the hipster overclock for the M1000 is the biggest trash possible
and was my first one lol
waxen dawn
Ew.
knotty rampart
for the big cannon thing for gunner....that i dont use
waxen dawn
I got Splintering Shells today. I don't use the Thunderhead but at least it's a good OC.
knotty rampart
@torpid burrow 0_o
fringe kettle
I finally got one for the gunner. I've been waiting a long time for just one minigun overclock.
knotty rampart
same but i dont have 1 yet
waxen dawn
I also got Lead Storm so yeah.
knotty rampart
o god i just looked at the third mission. exploder infestation 0_o
waxen dawn
Not using Thunderhead any time soon.
feral atlas
identical to DD
knotty rampart
really? i thought u get cool vanity stuff
glacial igloo
Get vanity stuff from stage 3 of both
fringe kettle
I managed it with 2 gunners. It was brutal. You basically need as much nitra as possible so your gunners can alternate shields and resupply.
waxen dawn
I only had a measly 80 nitra by the end of the first mission, though I reckon if I tried again I could get more. I could just do a run exploring the cave with Engi.
waxen dawn
BC buff when?
frail zodiac
thats a bad bunker then
knotty rampart
you have to make them pretty small
harsh steppe
Like a grave
knotty rampart
o my god. i almost didnt make it because there where literally 10 trawlers on my tail after i finished the fuel cells
i had literally a sliver of health
i was literally gonna cry if i died
i had no revives left on bosco
severe spear
Anyone have any tips on this weeks EDD? Stage 2 with lethal enemies is just fucking insane
shy hazel
Spec for horde-clear and pray to every god who'll listen, that's what I did
gentle valley
uhm, get a better team
fringe kettle
gunner is your best friend and so is getting as much nitra as possible on stage 1.
hollow pawn
stage 2 is do able its just fucking idiotic team that dont communicate
hollow flower
Bunker time boys
glacial igloo
engineer bug repellant/prox mines defensive ring work for this or are there too many sand sharks or something?
vale falcon
They might be faster that the detonation, like shellbacks
hollow flower
It’s in magma core. No sand sharks
glacial igloo
oh i thought i heard someone complaining about the same biome again
frail zodiac
sand sharks is normal dive
hollow flower
Yea someone was asking about EDDs 2nd stage tips
frail zodiac
bunkers*
feral atlas
bunkers are for the weak
feral atlas
oh, did they increase the melee range?
hollow pawn
its true, lethal enemies have slightly increased lunge range
frail zodiac
bunkers are for real dwarves
glacial igloo
does it make any sense to bottle up a scout in a mini bunker and have the other three up top fighting and then if something goes horribly wrong the scout can pop out and res everyone?
or is that just silly
feral atlas
I already beat it duo. Might try a 4 man pub later tonight.
Or a 3, just to see how the spawns change.
glacial igloo
and im talking like a perfectly scout sized vertical bunker so the scouts just in a tomb underground
feral atlas
if you'r gonna bunker, just seal it up
go the whole way
just remember to toss a shield at the entrance when you open it up
hollow pawn
its the idiots who get downed frequently that drag you down, they dont realize that 'lethal enemies' doesnt mean you should go pet them
slashers will take a good 20% chunk of your health i think
feral atlas
Nah, this modifier means nothing. Surely I can just ignore this mactera. It'll just take my shields off, nothing more.
Oh god my arms
glacial igloo
feels like slashers do that in normal enemies lol
hollow pawn
do people even use the quick dwarf perk
glacial igloo
the run speed?
hollow flower
Weekend athlete is pretty much meta
hollow pawn
yea run speed, pretty useful
frosty helm
pretty must have if going for high hazards.
wraith shard
right EDD is hard
stiff harness
bit
wraith shard
unless i've been having complete doncky teams, which i doubt it was always the case
first stage is fairly hard, and i've never got passed the 2nd
hollow pawn
yeah you need a group who coordinate, ive been grouped with absolute imbeciles so far, high level ones that too
frosty helm
Well, first stage isn't too hard as long as you get past dreadnought. 2nd stage... well there's some high level shenanigans going on.
Hard to say for so what is da wae to get past stage 2, our team managed to brute force trough.
hollow pawn
you have to manage to kill off all the enemies in 2nd stage
then you'll get some breathing room to do the obj
then bunker down for the 2 eggs
and then bunker down for the extraction
frosty helm
Well yea... but there seems to be unusual amount of swarms/waves of enemies spawning for no apparent reason (even without eggs)
hollow pawn
yea they seem to last longer than normal, trust me just fight them all off, it will take a good 7-8 mins
then thye wont spawn
frosty helm
Also seemed to stop at one point for a moment and then continued full force, got us off guard and team got split up just trying to avoid all the damn damage... all but me (engineer) went down, somehow managed to revive our scout by throwing all 4 mines in a straight line as I moved towards the scout to buy myself enough time to revive lol. Somehow it worked.
hollow pawn
did you finish the edd tho
frosty helm
yea, we did.
frosty helm
after we finally beat the swarm, we basically just used sealed bunker, and sat there until objective was done lol
uhh... already forgot. Nothing special about 3rd stage.
It was much easier than 2 and 1
hollow pawn
any modifiers
frosty helm
leeches
hollow pawn
ah
frosty helm
Usually can just ignore them
I'll try to remember the objective, should say more...
I think it was 2 or 3 dreadnought... yea it was.
and 150 morkite?
must have been 2 dread and 150 morkite.
frail zodiac
3rd stage is parasites
hardest is stage 2, 3 should be fairly straight forward unless you get chain wiped by dread or get overwhelmed by waves
hollow pawn
whats the objectives in 3
hushed ether
mining and dreadnought
hollow pawn
sigh, played with a group, they were making a bunker on stage 1
while the dreadnought was active
frail zodiac
uh wat
vale falcon
big brain move
frail zodiac
i mean driller can take aggro in a tunnel so you can shoot its butt
but that doesnt sound like it
hollow pawn
you dont even need to make one, can just assblast it to oblivion lol
waxen dawn
Ugh. I'm attempting to case out the first mission with Engi just to see what's then since my Scout isn't promoted and it's a real pain. I just wanna know where nitra is dangit.
thick ridge
what're this week's mutators?
frail zodiac
search for link in this channel
feral atlas
grand remnant
Completed my first ever Elite Deep Dive with random pubs.
First mission is fortunately quite easy, for some strange reason. Last week's EDD was nightmarish for being a Point Extraction mission, as the spawnrate is immense, but I suppose the layout in that one was more vertical than it was in this one. That plus most of the team knew what they were doing and how, with priority set to getting Aquarqs out of the way.
Second mission was bit more challenging due to the Warning Mutator, but fortunately we managed to get through it. The area needs to be cleared out of the major threats (our game had at least couple of Cave Leeches, Spitballers and such), but for the most part everything seemed to work well. First the Mules, then the eggs and finally the Uplinking.
On both uplink and fuel charging, our Driller dug a "suicide hole" to fend off against the enemies. Most of the intrusive ones were Glyphid Spawners (pink crabs) which can be mauled with ease. Since the hole was dug underneath the devices, the devices sort of "blocks" the entrance from the bigger enemies and somehow ended up leaving them to wonder how to even get in. And since the drop pod that we had to board to was right above us, all it meant was for our driller to make a backdoor to get us out.
(Well, three of us died, but our Engi survived, so no worries there.)
Third mission is relatively difficult, mainly because you have to do more slaying thanks to the parasites that pops up from most enemies. This was about to be our doom thanks to Nitra being almost empty, but somehow we still percervered. Morkite was the easier part, the swarms coming along with the Dreadnoughts not so much. The only real saving grace was the fact that the map layout made it extremely easy for us to find the Drop Pod for the final finish.
grand remnant
Because I still can't believe I actually pulled it off for the first time.
frail zodiac
we were swimming in nitra at 3rd mission, scout was pretty good
grand remnant
To be honest, this was perhaps more merciful EDD by far.
frail zodiac
everyone was good except gunner, which FF'd himself and two of us with a cluster lol
grand remnant
Even we had loads of Nitra to go by.
glacial igloo
suicide hole?
frail zodiac
i think he means bunker
sweet flame
at least the clsuter isn't as bad a s UP24
grand remnant
Yeah, a bunker.
thorny geyser
alright, EDD done
grand remnant
But some have said it to be a "suicide hole" just because in some severe cases you just dig your own grave.
thorny geyser
first try
Had a good team too.
Only PITA was the second stage, fuel cell defense.
It was really hard to defend and liberal use of explosives turned floor into hot rocks.
grand remnant
The bunker underneath the defense objective works well. Gotta just fire guns into the little hallway you've made for team to keep them checked in.
Driller was wise enough to bring Cryo Cannon along with him, so it helped immensly.
thorny geyser
we had flamethrower driller, but he did good
slowed down dreadnought, vaporized swarmers
sweet flame
yeah in 24 the FF was like double what we had now or something ludicrous for bit
grand remnant
FF?
frail zodiac
friendly fire
grand remnant
Ah
sweet flame
i remeber seeing one gunner bungle a throw and take out our scout who had 50 -75~ health
thorny geyser
I ran out of ammo for my gemini sentry guns at the second stage, all plasma bursters were finito too
no time to resupply
frail zodiac
maybe scout was an elf in disguise
grand remnant
sweet flame
and on another he got us all with cluster bombs and reduced everyone to below Haz 5 health rez
U25 nerfed the clust nade damage after they nerfed it in one of the first few hotfixes
grand remnant
I still don't quite understand cluster grenades
In most other games, they are hella fine.
But in this game, it feels..... less viable option.
astral portal
Looking for some lads to go for the elite deep dive cause shits tough
thorny geyser
I do like cluster grenades, but on higher hazards incendiary is invaluable against those massive swarmer hordes
grand remnant
Sticky Grenades for gunner is far better option in my mind just because of it's Fear Factor status. And it helps partially when dealing with Dreadnoughts, as long as you make it stick it on them rather than the ground.
sweet flame
honesatly i love tirggering a swarmer nest athen dropping and incendary on the tunnels
the pop pop is so satisfying
grand remnant
That's what I like to call as "Eviction Notice".
astral portal
is anyone up for EDD ?
hollow pawn
dpeneds, what lvl are you
astral portal
doesnt mean much msot of the time but 217:p
grand remnant
Add a Satchel Charge on it instead and you'll get House Demolition as well.
thorny geyser
Had a good run in EDD, I was engineer with Stubby (slim rounds and electrobuild) and PGL (compact rounds for maximum explosive spam).
hollow pawn
thats fine i guess, havent had any luck with sub 100s
feral atlas
Level correlates, but is not causation.
waxen dawn
Ugh. First time I did EDD I did super well but had to cut it short because a friend needed me. This time stage 2 just like, tossed everything that's the worst for me at me.
feral atlas
But, at the moment, it's the best metric you have other than creeping their profile and looking for mission screenshots.
hollow pawn
lvl shows that hes equipped with the knowledge to deal with most threats
feral atlas
Not really.
hollow pawn
thats what ive come to realize
feral atlas
Some people are dumbasses.
Across the entire population, yes, generally higher lvl means better knowledge.
sweet flame
ive finshed the last 3 of 4 EDD's
feral atlas
But if he acts like a dumbass, it doesn't matter if he's a gold dumbass or a bronze dumbass.
He's a dumbass.
sweet flame
i would say at level 50 or so you get mostly competent players
feral atlas
Same for a lvl 300+ idiot, versus a lvl 50 idiot.
sweet flame
player level
and other times its just bad day fopr that player
ive seen some great people in games who sometiems play worse than our brand new noob
biggest factor i have found has beeen voice communication
waxen dawn
@thorny geyser What mod layout did your stubby have?
sweet flame
if they can give call outs/commuinicate for strats you have vestly easier time
bronze crag
@sweet flame my most efficient runs were with parties where no one was blubbing, just pinging when needed
grand remnant
I would like to also add that kiting is still a very important skill to uphold to this day.
thorny geyser
@waxen dawn 22223
bronze crag
tho yeah, it requires people to actually think a little to understand what they need to do:D
sweet flame
it varies on person honestly cause i find that folks who communicate are easeir to set up strats
velvet oak
we have a friend of a friend in the group, he is really toxic, last week he said "i get going wrong becaus im not playing with a class im comfortable with" we make him play with one of those class and he make us wipe just as with the not good class. Of course his worst cry is "there is no healer in this game"
thorny geyser
More bullets means more electrocutions, but more damage is good too
helps against dread
thorny geyser
Any class with sweet tooth is best healer.
inner void
technically scout is the healer
scout can grapple up to the ceiling and knock down red sugar for other people in need. 99% of scouts don't think to do this and IMO it's what separates the men from the greenbeards.
thorny geyser
anyone who is working above can do it, but scout can do it most of the time
grand remnant
Though wouldn't it be more reliable for a Gunner with either explosive rounds in his Revolver or Autocannon do far better in getting red sugar from the ceiling? Last time I checked, Scouts cannot swing their pickaxes while holding onto their dear lives on their grappling hook without letting go first.
waxen dawn
Lord. So many DDs open to join but no EDDs.
worldly flame
Best healer is resupply pod..
thorny geyser
grapple, let go, hit the stem of red sugar and take fall like a dwarf
wooden kayak
whats the DD for this week?
thorny geyser
You mean biome?
wooden kayak
the missions
thorny geyser
EDD had 1 dread/10 aquarq, 2 eggs/2 minimules and 2 dread/150 morkite.
Didnt do normal DD just yet.
astral portal
ready for EDD someone?
and pls dont be like our last gunner
he spammed MIRV´s in salvage at our feet
full
waxen dawn
I can I suppose.
astral portal
are there any palyers able to do EDD ?
i see so many people taking very suboptimal choices, like calling a supply when we HAVE to get the drop pod ..
waxen dawn
As in, like, as the drop pod is coming down?
wraith shard
Can I ask yall why majority of DD runners are absolute jackasses to other players? I can understand when a player enters and he has no clue what he's doing, brings horribly upgraded weapons, etc, but why does that warrant treating literally everyone like garbage
It feels like the same stuff about difficulty all over again. Boo hoo, I don't have ninety promotions, boo hoo, we didn't get it done in under 30 minutes. We did the mission and won, that's all that matters
The whole fallacy with asking for "Competent" players is also just bull. Give someone the benefit of the doubt before shittalking them into oblivion, and stop assuming the entire playerbase, save for the 1% who never get downed and instakill dreads, are a bunch of drooling morons
waxen dawn
Ugh. The EDD was going well but we couldn't hold the fuel cell. Its location was just not conducive to living.
sudden rose
solo salvage missions when a big exploder shows up are.... not fun
waxen dawn
Sod it I'm gonna try out repellant platforms and see if that helps holding position at the end of stage 2.
barren steppe
This elite dive has done nothing but justified my opinion of Magma Core being the worst map designed
Well region, not map
waxen dawn
Honestly my biggest issue was the darkness.
Part 2 I could not make out groups of enemies, so I couldn't really PGL anything too effectively.
amber lance
I hate the region as well, this one feels so much harder than the EDD we had with low o2/no shields
barren steppe
My biggest issue was that we got stuck with "arena" rooms that had constant geysers going off, and the game decided to be particularly spiteful with an earthquake during a swarm
wraith shard
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
amber lance
The earthquake timing is always the worst lmao
and if you're near the entrance(of the 2nd run) of that first major room, you'll get blocked out by the earthquake creating a giant crater
waxen dawn
My issue is just exploders everywhere making terrain that makes sure your shield doesn't recharge.
barren steppe
I've never really had issues with randoms aside from one group today
barren steppe
But thats cause they kicked me for doing the objective instead of immediately following the Scout on a leash
amber lance
And by dying I mean, 11+ deaths by the 2nd stage of EDD
barren steppe
Like I'll go around and platform stuff for him
But I'm not gonna stand by him 24/7 whilst everyone else is dicking around doing unimportant things
amber lance
I usually just give vision as the scout and wait for the engi to platform at his own pace so he's not overwhelmed
Kinda pisses me off as an engi when people are constantly demanding platforms even if you're fighting a mob
barren steppe
Now I don't mind the Scout pointing stuff out or asking for platforms, maybe even pinging a lot to get my attention, but when people are rude about it thats just too much
amber lance
yeah, usually it's the latter for me
hollow iris
I'm the guy who is always dying cuz I risk too much
That said I also pull off insane rescues cuz I risk too much
waxen dawn
Live large.
hollow iris
Sadly not this time. Earthquake during dreadnought and like 4 swarms
waxen dawn
Die larger.
hollow iris
GOD, why would they buff lethal more on Haz 5 right for this EDD
reef ledge
unique spoke
Normal Deep Dive was pretty fun this week. So many bulks. First stage was a kind of fun scramble trying to find Nitra so we could kill the first bulk and then it was like "oh jesus there's another Bulk 80m up in the drop pod's entry tunnel"
It was me and a Silver Driller chilling with a greenbeard Scout and Gunner who clearly had never played any other class before. Each 2-bronze-stars-and-some-change, player levels of about 25.
plus RICH ATMOSPHERE. Always a good time.
still temple
gotta love the gunners that think grenades are for anything, when 2/3 ARE AOE THAT KILLS THEIR TEAMMATES
dusky osprey
I know nothing about the meta and probably have used horrible upgrades and grenades
but at least I can be nice enough to kill the bugs and not my teammates (Just not efficiently)
wraith shard
this week's EDD wasnt so bad
dusky osprey
How much harder is the EDD then the DD?
dusky osprey
because I got through the DD pretty easily and I dont wanna be a hinderance to my team in the EDD
burnt oasis
The EDD has a lethal salvage on stage two
So that's automatically pretty brutal
Toss magma core on top and it's gonna be one of those missions that are either completely smooth or RNG fucked
But yeah, the second stage? Fuck that
Luckily nitra is in relative abundence, so don't be too shy
wraith shard
spam resupply pods ye
burnt oasis
And if all else fails you can bunker and seal on the salvages
hollow iris
EDD2 is god awful
feral atlas
Meh. Honestly, 3 and 4 man are awful with players that have 0 clue what they're doing.
burnt oasis
Lethal enemies is one of those 'fun' mutators
still temple
has it been near consistent that EDD2 is the worst?
feral atlas
I'm more mad at my team for throwing EDD-2 in various ways that I'm annoying by the mutator.
But, random giveth, random taketh
hollow iris
Boy I love RNG time gated variable-worth rewards
burnt oasis
I got through with a driller that didn't read patch notes and a gunner using the AC
And a scout that used IFG and the GK2, though he dropped later
burnt oasis
It's good anti swarm and only if you're pretending to be an attack helicopter
I find the minigun's accuracy and overall DPS superior, especially when you're fighting retreat or have to fight anything airborn
Also there's 2 eliminations on the EDD
hollow iris
Carpetbomb tho, no more grunts and swarmers
wraith shard
minigun = dps
AC = aoe
feral atlas
This EDD might be a good idea to duo.
hollow iris
I like AC with Bulldog, AC for smallbois, Bulldog for big ones
feral atlas
Weak links in the team are very crippling on EDD-2
hollow iris
Its almost like its awfully balanced
feral atlas
Nah. Ultimately, in this case it's the players' fault.
burnt oasis
It's possible but you're gonna be chasing a lot of red sugar
feral atlas
Got a dumbass driller that got everybody killed when he walked up to a spitballer.
despite me telling him not to
hollow iris
Where's there even a spitballer you can walk to?
feral atlas
EDD-2 has 2 spitballers
right side of the map after the tunnel exit into the big room
feral atlas
sometimes another one might spawn; I've heard 2 occasionally
he literally just walked up to it
hollow iris
Welp
feral atlas
granted, lethal enemies is the modifier that cause it to kill us all
but the driller's stupidity, as well as the scout not taking M1k, are the things that actually threw the game
hollow iris
1shots are a fun mechanic
feral atlas
the mutator just makes it very obvious when somebody does something dumb on your team
I will admit, this is probably the first no casuals stage the EDDs have created.
I wonder if GSG has the data for success rate.
hollow iris
That's literally every EDD, what
stark slate
my mentality is solo for clears, public for the entertainment
wraith shard
^
hollow iris
That's no fun though
feral atlas
Eh, the EDDs before this were normal haz5 level.
I could carry a retard through it, or 3.
stark slate
I think it's a fun personal test of skill, I'm not sure how I feel about solo being optimal to clear
fringe kettle
releasing stats for the previous weeks DD's would be pretty cool
stark slate
is there a place to see the mutators this week beforehand
feral atlas
This week I don't think a 4 or 3 man can be solo carried, which is a first.
hollow iris
I repeat; I love RNG time gated random quality content
feral atlas
stark slate
mm which stage is the problem?
feral atlas
I beat it this morning in a duo. Felt easy tbh, as long as people don't screw up.
Stage 2 is the choke stage.
fringe kettle
number 2 is a bitch
stark slate
looks pretty driller friendly tbh
feral atlas
Driller suffers on stage 2.
hushed plinth
My fucking God, dude. Got to the end of a deep dive witg a good team. Dissconnected. Couldn't connect back.
feral atlas
You're too short ranged, and a good number of things will legit near 1 shot full health + shield players.
fringe kettle
I want to try a dual gunner run. Alternating shield on stage 2 should make it easier.
pallid solar
I finally tried EDD yesterday, solo. Got through the first mission on 2nd try, but died close to the end of the dreadnought fight on the second.
Those sand sharks. Argh.
If they just took you for a ride that would be one thing, but they hit you hard at the same time.
amber lance
The EDD didn't have sandsharks. They were in the DD
pallid solar
Both stages 1 and 2 had sandsharks
I don't know what you're talking about. Are you talking about the current dives?
hollow iris
God, there's too many enemies for EDD1 as a Scout
eternal whale
my team went down constantly on EDD 😔
i had to clutch revive 3 downed people 4 times
the last time I couldn't make it so we lost
wraith shard
You'll win next time
eternal whale
host immediately disbanded
wraith shard
That's probably for the better lmao
astral portal
man.. this edd is easy but idk, people just dont wanna make it it seems
like people not willing to stand on the point :D
uncut orbit
Lucky landing
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prisma vector
wow lmao
coarse star
👏 lucky