this makes solo much more easy than 4 man
#deep-dive-discussion
warm knoll
stark slate
yea, I agree, and I sort of feel like thats a problem
red ember
I mean, I personally find it more fun with others, but I will solo if I have to.
stark slate
all the good people who pug will just end up soloing and all the friends will just stick to themselves leaving everyone else out to suffer with each other
it leads to a pretty toxic game mode
you get that "bronze league" syndrome where everyone blames each other for how bad things are going
red ember
I wanna help people get through it. Half the fun of this game for me are the absolute derps I can find in the community, some of you guys I run into are great! Some... Not so much, but hey if you are having fun that is what counts!
warm knoll
i cant believe i wasted an hour and half failing the edd 3 times with a 4 man
red ember
Its why I don't host games normally I just join random ones, EDD you don't get that luxury really. I feel like solo EDD needs to be addressed in some way.
warm knoll
then beat it first try in solo
red ember
What class?
warm knoll
scout
red ember
Mk1 or GK2?
warm knoll
mk1
stark slate
that third stage must have been a butt clencher for you
red ember
Ahhh. I did it with GK2 n that was when a bulk popped up and murdered me
warm knoll
the third stage was pretty easy
red ember
To be honest, I would not even care if I don't finish it, I just want to at least get my weapon overclock n I am happy.
stark slate
everything I got this week was for scout, my least played class. RNGesus knows 😦
red ember
Until I see a Gilded or decorated corporate marine helmet :p Bwahaha. That will get me wantin those juicy cosmetics
warm knoll
the pheromone canister is really underrated
stark slate
I have an overclock for literally everything EXCEPT my driller's flamethrower, my favorite weapon
red ember
I got automatic Subata. Mini shells for the engineers shotgun, and the Mk1 upgrade for reload and extra ammo
Not sure what my 4th will be.
fringe kettle
I'm the opposite. I keep getting overclocks for driller. I don't play driller.
fringe silo
warm knoll
imo all overclocks should have their benefit outweigh their negative in some way
nothing is more disappointing than getting a bad overclock and using no overclock over it
quartz quest
looking at you, double barrel
next basalt
i thought the overclocks would be more interesting build paths then just stat upgrades and downgrades
fringe kettle
I mean there's a few categories. Some overclocks are nothing but positives. Others are balanced. Some give you major bonuses in one direction while also drastically compromising other areas. Those are more to suit certain playstyles.
quartz quest
that's how it is in theory
fringe kettle
quartz quest
actually using overclocks for the boomstick has revealed that it's completely backwards for that weapon
jumbo shells are nothing but benefits and double barrel is a curse
shaped shells is also backwards in that I didn't notice the bonus but I did notice the loss in pellets
fringe kettle
I mean you lose 10 ammo. If you can get around that loss then it suits your use case.
quartz quest
you do lose 10 ammo, but a single upgrade outweighs that
I'm also working around the reload time with auto reload filling it for me between gk2 mags/pickaxe swings
warm knoll
some overclocks are really cool but their downside is just too much
i got burning hell for the minigun which was nice but the +150% overheat is just so much
and the burning hell part is really weak
gonna need some balancing
flat ferry
Apologies if anyone from my EDD team is here.
Definitely not what I was expecting.
Gonna regroup and try again.
wind nest
💣
shy hazel
I just cranked out both DDs solo; brutal mutators, but the mapgen was simple and straightforward enough that both Dives only took about an hour total
feral atlas
already did the EDD
probably going to host 1 DD
if it blows up in spectacular fashion, i'll just solo it
sick wren
EDD is hard this week, will take at least 2 times to finish it
hollow flower
What’s tough about it this week?
sick wren
They ask to mine Morkite, I have allergy
buoyant adder
anyone running the DD?
wet olive
sick wren
Try different team compositions: 2 Gunners for example instead of Driller
brisk leaf
Morkite + Dread as secondary is probably the worst combo, because waves and Dread don't combine too well, even if you don't have to deal with both at once.
quartz quest
friends and I did it with 3 scouts and an engi
sick wren
I've seen this porn
sick wren
On a serious note, several scouts worked good for me too, we had 2 scouts last EDD
quartz quest
same, our EDD was two scouts and a gunner
sick wren
Did we play together?
sick wren
Yeah, 45 min and lost on the 2nd stage
worldly flame
Both ED and EDD we did Scout + Engi, note that engi had Fat Boy OC for AoE and DPS.
sick wren
But it worked out well
hollow flower
For something that people say are hard sub 45 is a short time
quartz quest
39 on the DD, 45ish on the EDD
mostly scouts though
so not to be an elitist but I can't relate to that
the dives didn't seem too gruesome this week
hollow flower
I’ve only seen a few people say it was really tough
quartz quest
I'm thinking one of the drop pod positions could've been a factor in that
quartz quest
woah there, PAL
i didn't say either of those things
quartz quest
if you want it done right
hollow flower
I haven’t played it. Just wondering what the difficulty is
quartz quest
sandblasted edd
take from that what you will
hollow flower
I’m trying to understand the meme, don’t think it really works. Put in more work :P
vale falcon
its hot
quiet gorge
Part two of the Dastardly Den
What
The
heck
ghost+dreadnaught+eventual bulk detonator+point extraction
The dreadnaught literally dug my man @cloud jackal down to 60m below the map
dry oracle
You guys liked second stage of this week DD?
quiet gorge
yea its p good
dry oracle
Haven't done that yet, spoil me whats there.
meager topaz
everything else drops when you remove the floor around it
why the fuel pod doesn't, makes no sense
cloud jackal
ya second stage deepdive was fuckin brutal
meager topaz
yea thats rough
3rd one is pretty easy
exceptr for the fuel pod
they deliberately drop it in a place where you can't bunker
dry oracle
I found a video of this weeks EDD, nad i honestly can't tell whats so bad about this place
old socket
Well stop bunkering then 😫 , fight like men. The game developers need to find a way to automatically spawn 2 bulkdetonators on teams that dig under the Relay and Fuel Cell during extraction missions and wall up.. It seriously just cheapens the experience.
buoyant adder
That or an enemy that can attack through walls. Something like the lurker from starcraft, where it sinks it's tentacles into the ground and they pop out and poke you, even if they don't have line of sight
versed willow
Hell Diver's bug behemoth thing. Tentacles that burrow and pop up at a distance to murder you.
formal shard
Trying to do Elite Dive solo and Stage 2 has kicked my ass on every class lmao
worldly flame
Yea, we had a 2-3 waves and a bulk before we finally got to the 2nd room on stage 2 EDD. ( 2 man Scout + Engi )
The first push was hard, after that it was easy.
formal shard
Just my luck that whenever I think I'm in the clear to take out the Dread a Bulk or sandstorm just ruins it. Shield Disruptions on level 4/5 difficulty are my kryptonite.
dusty cedar
Do bosco's revives refresh each round or do you only have what you start with
formal shard
Revives refresh each stage
wind nest
yeah stage 2 deep dive is a tricky one, the mission likes to send wave after wave of spawn attacks
rotund ivy
theres 1 wave right about when the party enters the dread room, and another wave when the party enters the next big room
swarm*
shut sierra
EDD's okay, first and last are tricky
actually
first is okay
second is iffy if you get the swarm with the dreadnaut
third is nasty
shut sierra
use the flamer, get yo' damage
hallow estuary
Nice
just had 2 bulks
at once
that triggered the dread
and then we got a swarm
exotic oxide
Tried EDD in a public party
both times someone went straight ahead and opened the dreadnought on stage 2 with no warning
immediately got the swarm as well and wiped
back to soloing I guess
versed willow
Resource -> weapon OC -> cosmetic.
inner void
I think I'm burning out on the EDD
Managed to get to the end twice with solo gunner but I can't handle the macteras when the game constricts me to a small radius
exotic oxide
I just cheesed it with scout again
inner void
And when I try to play in a party people are idiots and wipe on the second map like clockwork
exotic oxide
I figure get the rewards first and then maybe try other stuff later without the pressure
wraith shard
@exotic oxide What do you mean by scout cheese?
exotic oxide
Pheromone grenade spam for defense objectives
Since you have so many resupplies as solo, you can just throw one and grab another 2 before it runs out
inner void
Also there are way too many greenbeards trying to get carried through EDD
Like drillers who dig through compact dirt with their picks because they don't understand how to play their class.
versed willow
C4, right?
I can't think of any other mining tool in-game.
Oh, HE grenade and PGL. Maybe even cluster grenades.
Jokes aside, yeah, it is a sad day when you meet a driller who doesn't use the drills nor uses them when you verbally or textually communicate that they should do so.
hidden lintel
Yeah I gotta imagine doing EDDs in PUG groups must be pretty rough. I've only done it with a friend of mine and we still have to be pretty smart about our play.
outer pasture
Mfw I start an EDD with randoms and my net shits the bed so I have constant lags and die like a dozen times first stage 😦
I felt sorry for my mates
outer pasture
The egg part is tough
inner void
it's actually really easy, it's just that most players don't understand positioning
they see a tiny room with a dreadnought egg in it, so obviously they're supposed to fight in it
and there's a scripted bulk that always appears behind the party that chases them into the room and probably pops the dread egg when it dies
All you have to do to beat the level is WAIT, kill the first horde in the spawn room and then pull the dreadnought back to the spawn room as well. You have all the room you could ever want to fight.
The rest of the level is a cakewalk.
hidden lintel
Yeah thats exactly what I did today
Honestly the first mission was the hardest the rest was chill IMO.
Low oxygen point extraction really makes you be time efficient if you dont want to waste nitra just for oxygen resupplies.
inner void
it's not really a waste, when I got my solo gunner to level 3 I ignored the nitra and still had 400 in the bank
there is way more than you need on that map to account for the oxygen
hidden lintel
True.
I just always like having the huge excess of nitra for salvage. Lets you cheese it with decoy / pheromone grenades pretty easily
dull zenith
idk why but the swarm is always fucking BRUTAL on the second level
Like I had 3 trawlers screwing around while macteras blotted out the sky and a menace was harassing us as well
meanwhile the scout had run ahead and was fighting the dread solo
Also is anyone noticing the first stage's drop pods are wack as hell, like high up
Hasn't been a problem for me since I play gunner but I can imagine it being a pain for groups lacking one
Unless this is what "drop pod carving" in fix 11 was supposed to fix
hallow estuary
ive only had it once where it was just floating in mid air
woeful scroll
mactera swarms are brutal now
elfin current
@woeful scroll Accuracy and dmg is needed to quickly get rid of them before they fire
Or herd them into a small place where flamethrower, minigun or grenade can kill them.
Use gunner shield to give shooters breathing room.
burnt oasis
There is not a scripted Dread on EDD stage 2. I had only the cocoon
It does seem to be weighted, though, as I've heard it mentioned by people that have reached that point. But, yes, the advice holds true. Do not fight the swarm in the dead room. Ride it elsewhere, then push back in to properly terraform.
pale acorn
Maybe it depends on group size?
visual flower
Its possible
Last week's EDD I always had a Bet-C in the 2nd cave of stage 1 when I was duoing
Never saw it with a full group
near flower
Bet-c was there solo for me, but not with 2 or 3 people
strong cedar
first rush of 2nd stage, EDD this week turned into Praetorian rush once
not sure what triggered, we were full party
failed anyway though
clever crest
yep. at one attempt we had a prae horde, and regular hordes at two others. just random.
the tricky stuff about lvl 2 is that you dig up to the dread egg basically at the same time a horde timer ticks down.
so if you're not patient enough to dig further ahead and fight through the horde, THEN come back for dread, you'll have to fight both at once.
which is ill-advised to say the least.
fast veldt
fuck trawlers https://gfycat.com/calmcelebratedfrogmouth
wraith shard
i agree with this message
atomic prawn
mr bone's wild ride
shrewd pelican
i have only attempted a deep dive solo but could not get past the first stage
shrewd pelican
wow
meager topaz
We survived, only to die on stage 3
lusty salmon
so how is the newest deep dive?
frail zodiac
its aight
sick wren
@lusty salmon DD has hard 2nd stage with ghost Detonator and chance to get normal Detonators. EDD has hard 1st and 2nd stages.
lusty salmon
i guess i'll pop in sometime soon
midnight spindle
Is it just me or do swarmers spawn a ton in the first elite deep dive mission?
willow tulip
yep
oblique osprey
EDD is pretty balls deep, need to finish them quick
Stage 1 and Stage 2 especially seem to enjoy either throwing Bulk Exploders at you or crappy Haz 2-tier waves depending on your luck
heady vigil
This might be a stupid question but are perks active on deep dives?
Noticed vampire wasn't working at all for me. Not sure if that's intentional or not
celest oxide
thy a on for me vamp as well
heady vigil
what? lol
celest oxide
vampire is on and working for me in edd
heady vigil
Weird
old socket
Well the issue is this, you are on Iron will, you do an axe smash with vampire giving you 5 health. That resets Iron Will, so any damage you take from that point is not protected from Iron Will.
You get no protection timer unless you've set your Armor Baracuda pack to 6 seconds of invulnerability after being downed. I'm not sure if even that applies. But this is what is happening, Iron will -> Vampire 5hp -> Ironwill resets -> you take more than 5HP damage and go right back down
crimson dome
Gah, i wish elite deep dives had higher promotion requirements
sweet igloo
if trollers didn't rocket you around like rolly pollys if they don't grab and were more able to be dealt with they wouldn't be so much of a pita
crimson dome
Getting players who willingly put themselves 100-150 metres away from the team to get 10 gold during a swarm
meager topaz
But the gold!
sterile topaz
but the matrix cores
fathom horizon
But gold...
sweet igloo
is just happy he finally hit 25 scout and will likely never have to play that class again, especially in dives, guns just feel so.....weak
gaunt trail
But is your scout a gold 3 yet
dusty finch
sweet igloo
scout is copper 1:1, I hate scout, I hate him so much
sweet igloo
only damage with precision shooting, on a class that's all about mobility and almost all his kit is about movin' around
sweet igloo
and 1 gun that does high damage beyond point blank doesn't make him, as a class, feel less anemic with kill power
also: your statements are coming across in a manner like your trying to instigate so I'm going to end this conversation now
dense obsidian
Like obv your total damage output is gonna get eclipsed, but your job ain't swarm management it's priority target removal.
hollow flower
Anyone try the EDDs with the new harder H5?
unique spoke
how was the trawler able to grab the driller? does it bypass the 3s invulnerbility?
dense obsidian
Dunking on praetorians before your team even knows they spawned in, letting webspitters have a average lifetime of about 1 second etc.
unique spoke
Grapple to Menaces and unload two boomstick shots in their sides. ⛏
dense obsidian
👌
Mactera plague is always fun with the m1000
You're on overtime the entire match lel
wanton cloak
I have learned the valuable lesson of never having bronze players on my team
unique spoke
Sounds like a pretty shitty lesson to me.
flat ferry
Set 'em up and knock 'em down 
hollow flower
I mean skill doesn’t always equate to stars but there is a correlation with time played and how good someone is
dense obsidian
In my experience people who main a class and don't touch others are a bit eh.
hushed ether
there is but i also saw some silver star acting like noobs, because they thought they were so good they were playing all way alone
dense obsidian
They don't get the class interactions so they don't know howvto best do their job
wanton cloak
I main gunner and im fine
although I rely on my teammates to much and it gets me killed
hollow flower
I do think people who are more balanced at other classes do play better in general, not always though
dense obsidian
Obv everyone is different and people can get real good at their main.
lethal topaz
Experimenting with other classes could widen your creativity and makes you step out of the box
unique spoke
I've met my fair share of silver star dwarves who loved kissing dirt. Fact is if you're going to play pubs you're rolling the dice and you just have to toughen up and accept the consequences of that fact.
hollow flower
It’s important you know how other classes are supposed to work. Helps your understanding of the game
dense obsidian
I find myself being hella more proactive now I know what other classes need from what I'm playing
lethal topaz
@dense obsidianyeah, it makes you better in synergy too
unique spoke
You should know how the game works before you start an EDD but there's no reliable heuristic for how to tell whether a player can do what they need to do at first glance.
lethal topaz
I remember the DPS mains from OW, never be that narrow-sighted
hushed ether
actually a good train to know each class can be to do solo mission
hollow flower
Or at least be picky with your lobbies
hushed ether
force you to create path, things to reach your goal in different ways
unique spoke
I'm speculating here, but I suspect that, among the fair number of new players who came in with the free weekend/35% sale, a large percent of them beelined on a single class to promote specifically because that's what you needed to start the one big feature advertised to require it.
As a result they are less experienced.
This is a temporary problem. They will get better and they will branch out over time.
This weird trend of trying to gatekeep who can participate in what content because someone doesn't have The Big Numbers is just toxic, shortsighted, and won't do anyone any favors in the long run.
hollow flower
It’s more the difficulty than anything else
hushed ether
still we can also understand that point of view, if your goal is to succeed you may try to find a quick way to know who may be able to help you in finishing EDD in the shortest amount of time, that why people may use these promoted system as a clue
hollow flower
EDDs are tough and from what I’ve seen most randoms can’t handle them. I’ll never play one again with randoms after failing one 3 times with 3 different groups
Difficulty is the biggest elitism creator
hushed ether
@hollow flower IKR iI kept failing last week EDD for 2 days
i was joining only randoms though
frail zodiac
i couldnt even complete last 2 weeks EDDs with randoms lol, finally did it on this week
unique spoke
What happened with Mann vs Machine was a damn tragedy, that game mode was so cool but it got ruined by useless tryhards who didn't even understand the requirements they insisted everyone else had to follow.
hollow flower
MvM is fine now that they removed the leave penalty. Any toxic players just leave
Anyway, elitism is a symptom of difficulty and players not having the teammates they want
I suggest undead that you play with friends or people from the discord
hushed ether
it can be hard to find, sometimes it's not teamate potential, but also teamworks that lacks of efficiency
it's rarer in deep rock, but sometimes you see that
hollow flower
If you don’t have comms you’ll suffer
lethal topaz
@hollow flower those who whine non-stop about the teammates are the ones who get carried
You could be angry about a dense newbie once or twice, but being a fuckboi takes more
hollow flower
Sometimes. Other times it’s one high level players with 3 new guys.
I’d argue new players and even some more moderate players can’t handle EDDs
fast veldt
Yep
lethal topaz
They cant, I only talked about players like that in general, like in MvM
EDD requires a DC room at least
fast veldt
DC room?
lethal topaz
DisCord
fast veldt
What do you mean?
hollow flower
A Normal pod works
lethal topaz
Yep
hollow flower
But you really need comms with most players
lethal topaz
I was with fairly good random players in EDD, we still couldnt make it
hushed ether
same but we succeed even without discord
hushed ether
you may encounter a group dynamic problem, the ability of each was fine, but didn't worked as a group
lethal topaz
Mutators means a lot
hollow flower
Mutators just require different ways about going over it
flat ferry
Someone should post and pin a screenshot of this week's EDD 🤔
dull zenith
idk who was talking a bunch of shit about EDD being ez this week but that is patently untrue
I have failed the second stage... without fail
fucking bulks and shit everywhere
radiant orbit
What are the objectives and the mutator on the second EDD stage ?
dull zenith
shield disrupt, morkite and dread
radiant orbit
Oh.. that's rough
dull zenith
It's more about the map layout and the frequency of swarms than anything
but the shield disrupt is killer
radiant orbit
Yeah, the swarms are weird sometimes in deep dive
Sometimes there's no mobs, and sometimes, it just keeps coming
dull zenith
I literally did the strat where you handle the first swarm and bulk, go forward and get the dreadnought and bring it back
and before we even broke the shield the first time we were in the middle of another bulk and swarm
radiant orbit
Are the swarms still random in deep dive ?
dull zenith
so yeah that run didn't end well
wind nest
whats the best tactic for DD mission 2 - : dread first or 
❓ or both
twilit tulip
I did dread first, just resupply if you need to and get it out of the way
steady field
Normally I've been going in, killin the nexus, waiting the swarm, killing the dread
oblique osprey
Another secret I’ll let you in on, is that I haven't actually managed to complete an Elite Deep Dive yet. Elite Deep Dives (and Deep Dives in general) are built to be challenging and it is okay if you can't fully complete them...and I'm not just saying this because I haven't managed to complete it myself yet ;-).
Wat
I mean the Elite Deep Dives are hard but not THAT hard
And Zod personally I pop the Dread on landing
Because the turrets will be full and everyone will prolly be fresh
(Just clear the "welcome" wave first)
twilit tulip
honestly running a full squad for EDDs is kinda a trap because unless EVERYONE is a well oiled machine the increased spawns aren't worth it
radiant orbit
We did first. We succeeded but it was a pain so Dread First I guess.
oblique osprey
Yeah, Aquarq first isn't worth it due to escalating spawns and exhaustion
And killing the Dread gives that rush of adrenaline that helps rush the Aquarq
radiant orbit
A swarm with a bulk spawned at the same time the dread was engaged, so yea
but it was fun at least
oblique osprey
Same for us, but in a worse way
twilit tulip
glacial strata is the worst, at least lethal lava land doesn't have the damn flying jellies spawn in every couple seconds
oblique osprey
I was paired with a potato team and we battled the Prae for like 10 minutes
And a Bulk spawned at the end and took us out of our misery
Scout and Driller were both going down every 30 seconds and no-one was kiting the ghost away so RIP
hollow pawn
2 scout 2 gunner, try it
oblique osprey
Yeah, I feel the normal Deep Dive favors rushing and gunning
Lots of stuff to kill and lots of eggs/aquarq to mine out
radiant orbit
we were two
second stage was just like taking an angry haunted giant dog for a walk for me
It's a fun mutator the first time, but it gets old pretty fast
wind nest
did a 2 man Gunner + Scout - DD Mission 2 - the gunner kited the ghost whilst I got all the - once that objective was done, the mission starts to spam swarm waves every 10mins madness!
oblique osprey
Yeah, key is that someone needs to kite the Ghost
wind nest
two detontators turned to the party as well 🥔
oblique osprey
If you have a Haz 2 team that literally just stands there waiting to get mauled by the Ghost it quickly becomes impossible
oblique osprey
Nope
wind nest
is me or the game encourages to quickly do the missions
oblique osprey
On EDD Stage 2 the first try we got a HELL WAVE
And the second happened very quickly after
So we wiped
wind nest
even summoning the dreadnaught we got a swarm attack thrown in twice
grizzled axle
Is there any reason I can't join any of the deep dives? Are they all in session or something?
radiant orbit
Ok, thanks
oblique osprey
Second try we got a shitty Mactera wave that would have looked too easy for Haz 3
And the second wave never showed up
Same for the first stage. First try we got 2 Bulks and just constant carpets of Glyphids
Second try we got less glyphids and only one Bulk at the tail end we fashionably ignored
lethal topaz
@oblique osprey mactera swarms are one of the most dangerous things right now
Because of the damn damage buff
oblique osprey
Not if they spawn in a closed up area
Also I just found out the experimental charger hard counters Macteras
harsh mountain
any quick tips for EDD? what class not to play? etc
oblique osprey
Get one of every class, please
harsh mountain
gotcha
oblique osprey
You need the Scout to get all the meme mineral deposits
lethal topaz
@harsh mountain ask others about the mutators
oblique osprey
The Gunner needs to be pumping lead and clutching bad revive
lethal topaz
Shield distruption etc.
oblique osprey
The Driller needs to build shortcuts and arenas
The Engineer does general crowd control + the sentry ammo is bugged
harsh mountain
rip
oblique osprey
Scout does 90 % of the work
harsh mountain
is stage 2 bad?
oblique osprey
If you don't have a good Scout, don't bother
harsh mountain
i just really want the OC
oblique osprey
Stage 2 is shield disruption
harsh mountain
so you know
oblique osprey
So it's REALLY bad with an incompetent team
oblique osprey
Since you're constantly bleeding HP and revive is 7 P
harsh mountain
actually ok
oblique osprey
Layout is very trivial
oblique osprey
Starting chamber, Dreadnought chamber, and enough Morkite for three missions in the next chamber
You can leave immediately if you rush the Dread and then rush the Morkite
Which I would recommend
oblique osprey
You'll get like 500 Nitra from the first mission
Just fight him on the spot
Backtracking will get you killed
harsh mountain
i don't really care about the cosmetic stage, but it'llprobably be less toxic to not throw so
oblique osprey
EDD Stage 3 is actually ultra easy
harsh mountain
nice
oblique osprey
I mean, it's salvage
But the defensive position is actually kinda cute and simple
harsh mountain
i sense a running theme with stage 2 being the hardest ones
oblique osprey
And the drones are in okay position
harsh mountain
with these seeds
lethal topaz
The last week first edd tho
oblique osprey
Just get yourself a Driller to prepare a half bunker
lethal topaz
The exploder salvage mission
oblique osprey
I think Stage 3 is Mactera spawn on EDD
harsh mountain
Oh good
oblique osprey
But you can drill into the wall to hard counter it
cinder sonnet
Drillers for life
oblique osprey
But yeah, biggest tip is : Stage 1, Scout memes all the Nitra and hig up crystals and chugs them into the pit, team clears everything they can reach
Stage 2: Rush the health crystals and resources in first chamber. OPEN THE DIRT WALL ASAP SO MOB SPAWNS DO NOT STACK UP (very dangerous)
Trigger first wave, clear it, then immediately gank the Dread in his own chamber, dig the walls to make kiting room
Then dig the wall and rush the Morkite asap
indigo monolith
Why are there so many idiots that kick me out of lobby because as they state "I can't join without promoted dwarf" but I can't interact with a terminal without promotion, so if I join I DO have a promoted dwarf.
oblique osprey
And yeah. Stage 3, if you have a competent player make him do the robot in the pit
It's a bit dangerous but the legs are easy
I don't remember the second objective tho... Morkite ?
vale barn
the answe3r is in your question 'so many idiots' 😄
indigo monolith
True
radiant orbit
Can we still kill exploder with a pickaxe swing on their head ? Finding myself not able to constantly kill them that way during my last sessions.
lethal topaz
Yep, it even decapitates them @radiant orbit
vale barn
ranged shots work too
radiant orbit
Yeah, ranged shot still works for me.
But pickaxe, not able anymore.
Maybe I'm just getting rusty
Thanks for the feedback.
oblique osprey
Honestly the objectives are fairly easy
Morkite is basically a free pick, especially these amounts
But the modifiers are HELL
Low O2 on PE. Shield Disrupt on Dread fight
Could have gone for Ghost on Salvage and it would have been perfectly hellish
dull zenith
Jesus christ I can't even do a NORMAL deep dive?
Why do I keep getting stuck with greenbeards
wraith shard
solo it
dull zenith
DON'T CRACK 5 EGGS WHEN WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A SWARM
radiant orbit
but they are full of proteins.
fringe kettle
send me an invite, I'll give you a hand
dull zenith
Normal DD
oblique osprey
Come to think of it I need to do it too
wind nest
time to kill time with some rando-EDD fail runs 🥔
thorny geyser
This week's EDD was really easy, to be honest.
feral atlas
if you don't have an idiot that uses explosives prematurely in the dreadnought room stage 2
elfin current
@thorny geyser That really depends on what team you got
I think they are all easy with the right team and composition.
wise sphinx
Best comp for duo this week?
feral atlas
scout + engi
thorny geyser
@feral atlas Actually, we accidentally popped the dreadnought cocoon.
feral atlas
sooo
thorny geyser
That caused a failure, but it was a honest mistake.
feral atlas
you're one of those people
it's some sort of curse
why do people keep using explosives in that room?
feral atlas
fat boy?
feral atlas
The fact that this keeps recurring is probably why I won't consider replaying the EDD this week.
I kept reminding people not to use explosives near the egg, still happens.
thorny geyser
oblique osprey
Try fighting the Prae first tho
burnt oasis
But the bugs need me to make the big boom boom
inner void
These drop pod landing spots are getting ridiculous... https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/780737371355470937/0F83505C38E7942D33DEDEFF776C41AF653B8716/
our team can easily traverse this but you'd be totally screwed if you were a solo driller
Just beat the EDD dive too
Had to resort to bunkering on the second level after a couple tries but as soon as we got to the third mission we aced it.
dull zenith
@fringe kettle @oblique osprey Thanks for the help mates, much appreciated
oblique osprey
People grossly underestimate the strength of bunkering
Yeah, you're in a tight space, but the bugs only come from one way
And if you're getting overwhelmed you can LURE/shield/phero to get a reload breather
dull zenith
Good bunker > no bunker >>>>>>> bad bunker
oblique osprey
A trench-like bunker is great for mactera spam
tender sierra
careful
if you talk about bunkering too much
you'll definitely attract the attention of a few elitists
who will try to tell you how to properly play this casual co-op game
feral atlas
Look, there are differences in opinion regarding bunkering.
inner void
long straight tunnels are boring, a medium sized tunnel with side alcoves to take cover in is fun because it's like the opening scene in star wars
dull zenith
I can respect the opinion that bunkering might make part of the game unfun even if I personally disagree with it
But the alternative is standing around in the open and drowning in acid spit
so I know which option I'll take
feral atlas
I'm a pretty hard core git gud elitist. And I say bunkering is acceptable if you have no way to win, at that place and at that time. My beef is with the players that don't know any other way to win.
dull zenith
Bunkering is a surefire strat that uses a minimal amount of resources
Alternatives are pheromones, engi lures, gunner shields, etc that are all limited
or you can use like 5L of drill fuel
oblique osprey
The best thing about a bunker is having a breather room
Instead of being exposed 360° if you fight in the open
Especially with a Mactera alert
inner void
@feral atlas I think most people enjoy the occaisional bunker, it's just those drillers who consider it a meta strategy and refuse to do anything else that ruin it for the rest of us
feral atlas
bunkering is basically creating your own shooting gallery, but I feel like it goes against the spirit of the game
Precisely.
I'm not against bunkering. I'm against the bad players that don't know anything else.
tender sierra
see what I mean
feral atlas
It's a different position from people that try to make it illegal or something.
dunno how you would make bunkering illegal without just nuking the game
inner void
creative uses for digging tools is always fun, not necessisarily just for drillers
foggy sentinel
Personally I can only hope that bunkering as a cheese strat becomes unviable at some point. The simple introduction of a smaller enemy that can dig tunnels might help
inner void
if you dig a really tiny hole into a wall with a good field of view you can stick a gunner inside and use it like a D-Day machinegun pillbox
feral atlas
It's either tunnelers or a bug with a frontal shield
inner void
praetorians could counter bunkers if they improved the AI
feral atlas
or give more suicide units with large terrain carving aoe
dull zenith
You want MORE than exploders and bulks?
I think they fill their role fine enough thanks
inner void
most bunker wipes happen because the praetorians soak up the fire long enough to allow a bunch of exploders to dash inside
feral atlas
issue is that they dont' always exist in the spawn pool
covert heath
This is why you have a Scout with an IFG to slow them down
feral atlas
it's either that, or make them always exist in the spawn pool
dull zenith
I think they need to dial it back on slow effects. Blizzards, sandstorms, shockers, frost praets, slashers, etc
It isn't fun getting fucked up the ass because you got slowed down by 15 different things
feral atlas
nah
dull zenith
Starting to feel like Overwatch with all the CC
feral atlas
look, this is ultimately a game with ranged players versus melee ai
wind nest
3 EDD runs all failed
inner void
They need to nerf mactera goo slowdown to be like snow, or at least apply the slowdown equally to the glyphids too
feral atlas
you remove all slows, ai will never win
wind nest
randoms 💣
dull zenith
I'm not saying take out all slow effects, I'm just saying not every bug and its grandma needs to be able to do it
thorny geyser
https://alienswarm.fandom.com/wiki/Shieldbug this kind of a praetorian variant
very well armored from front, squishy on the back
inner void
that would do the trick
feral atlas
slows are mostly biome specific
inner void
you just have to program the other glyphids to shelter behind it instead of rushing past
dull zenith
I mean that's basically the concept of Guards, they just kind of suck @thorny geyser
feral atlas
I only seem to notice them in glacial
inner void
maybe a praetorian guard variant?
pure portal
Alien swarm is kinda DRG xd
but more left 4 dead run form point A to B not collect stuff
inner void
extra frontal armour with shield legs up front, but more vulnerable from behind than a regular praetorian
thorny geyser
Praetorian Guard, Praetorian Slasher?
inner void
could give it a charge attack too
that would help counter bunkers because it could bull rush inside
feral atlas
slasher slow is usually just the coup de grace
inner void
actually that reminds me
feral atlas
you kinda messed up letting them that close anyways
dull zenith
I wish there was more interaction between alien species tbh
inner void
there are already two enemies that hard counter bunkering, trawlers and qronars
feral atlas
yea, but they have bad aim
dull zenith
Like this is an extremely hostile world but for some reason all 15 species decided to team up against 4 shooty bois
inner void
they ignore slow effects and if they get inside the bunker they turn everything into salsa
feral atlas
can't hit most bunker openings worth shit
in more elaborate bunkers
you can actually dig out a shellback pit to trap it near the opening
thorny geyser
praetorian guard and slasher variants would be sick
oblique osprey
The only thing that hard counters a bunker is a Bulk
inner void
but that's good because it counters simple bunker designs and adds an element of skill to it
dull zenith
I feel like trawlers need a balance pass or fix or something, there doesn't seem to be much logic to their behavior
oblique osprey
That and dumb teams who refuse to use it
And fight in the open
Leading to a wipe in bad waves
dull zenith
it seems completely random whether its shootable or not, whether it grabs you or not, whether it drops you when shot or not
And it kicks up so much sand its hard to read the model to tell what it's gonna do
inner void
that's one thing I really hate about the trawlers, it can hit you with full force but your shots do nothing because it's under an inch of sand
explosives can counter that but most classes don't have them
dull zenith
Pretty much just scout but yeah I hear you, it's situational
thorny geyser
sometimes i just shoot a zipline to avoid trawler shark
feral atlas
if you're good enough, you can just stand outside the bunker
and just solo most of the swarms
it's happened before, but you need to be engi or gunner
dull zenith
"if you're good enough, just kill everything and don't die"
feral atlas
basically
dull zenith
I mean yeah that's the ideal scenario in any game lol
feral atlas
people shit on gunner for having bad mobility
but you legit don't need moblity
if everything else is dead
graceful radish
Solo'ed the regular deep dive with scout this morning--killed the dread on Stage #2 with a combo of sniper rifle and pheromone grenades causing the wraith bulk to attack him
thorny geyser
I used five-shooter Bulldog in EDD.
graceful radish
Stages #1 & #3 weren't too bad, but #2 made up for it
thorny geyser
DAMN if that thing is useful in mactera mutator
inner void
no shield is the hardest mutator by far
thorny geyser
you feel like revolver ocelot when you drop 10 macteras without missing once
I love reloading during a battle!
Nothing beats slamming a long silver bullet into a well-greased chamber. 
iron hinge
Hey, any advice on beating the dreadnought in phase 2 of edd without repeatedly dying to the swarms that are constantly coming in?
inner void
kite it back to the spawn room
thorny geyser
bait the swarm to come out before popping the cocoon, retreat back to spawn room and take it out
inner void
or only pop the egg right after you finish off a swarm
vale falcon
or pop all the eggs and fight the swarm like a dorf
feral atlas
if you don't break the dirt open on the dread room, most of the enemies will be coming from the entrance tunnel
I just run proxy mines and line the entrance tunnel with them at non over lapping intervales
vale falcon
Except if there’s a bulk
peak glacier
what the fuck did you do
exotic hollow
2nd missioin on this deep dive makes me want to die
point defense + haunted and you have to kill a dreadnaught
frail zodiac
have someone kite the haunted bug while rest kills the dreadnaught
exotic hollow
mostly invisible
feral atlas
it's marked on the map and leaves particle trails as it walks
exotic hollow
didn't know it was on the map
exotic hollow
well it so far is my most hated modifier
that and regenerating bugs
but only because it makes bulks and dreadnougts horrible
graceful radish
See my note above--if you're running it scout solo, take pheromones
exotic hollow
I'm a driller
frail zodiac
you can tag it
exotic hollow
didn't know you could tag it
deft jetty
porkchop sandwiches!
meager topaz
woof, that EDD is rough
harsh mountain
haunted caves solo is annoying for sure, but honestly i don't think it's the worst modifier
i kind of forgot about the bulk for the most part cause they're epretty slow
was a little awkward when he sat infront of the ass though
thorny geyser
@meager topaz second stage can be tricky, but otherwise it felt easier than the last week
First stage is scout/gunner carry
brittle relic
Haven't even tried the EDD yet, how does it compare to last weeks? I never beat that one
frail zodiac
easier tbh
sick wren
@brittle relic it's much harder, 2nd stage is terrible
frail zodiac
need a scout with few living braincells for stage 1
vale falcon
braincells? what are those
frail zodiac
driller with cryo works really good for stage 2
feral atlas
this week's EDD is much easier that last weeks
sick wren
What was hard last week?
feral atlas
as long as you don't mess up stage 2 and pop open the egg by accident during the wave
frail zodiac
last week was salvage on 1 blackbox on 3
sick wren
Yeah, first stage last week was a bitch
vale falcon
they need to be harder
feral atlas
maps are small
sick wren
Our gunner was MVP last week survived on 1 hp to carry us to 2nd stage
feral atlas
and the stage 3 salvage is very simple to fortify with a good engi
frail zodiac
good engi and pubs, pick one 
sick wren
Pubs in DRG? Are here ranked games?
jaunty river
Anyone else have that neurotoxin payload OC for the Gunner's autocannon? Are you guys having the same issue as me where only like every 5th shot will proc the toxin?
feral atlas
crank out the EDD during the first day when the actual good players are doing it for the first time
past that
you're stuck with the people that are reattempting after multiple failures
sick wren
You mean when people with no real life doing it?
frail zodiac
me_irl
feral atlas
yes, essentially
sick wren
When you have a work, have to wait to weekends TT
feral atlas
I have work as well
frail zodiac
this week i did it with level 50-60s
feral atlas
Did it at 6ish am my time
sick wren
Level is just a number
frail zodiac
yeah, they were all decent players
feral atlas
317 iirc
meager topaz
I've got to stage 3 but died due to drillers c4 experiement
feral atlas
granted, I may have accidently promoted multiple times when that button spam promotion bug existed
sick wren
Nice, that's like half of year of playing
feral atlas
not really
I think I started May of 2018
or march
whenever that stupid update that made my uninstall killing floor 2 happened
sick wren
I am sure DRG won't last that long for me
feral atlas
probably may
sick wren
Cyberpunk is almost here
stone reef
Last week was a breeze honestly
sick wren
That's all about RNG
stone reef
They mentioned it sometimes it'll be harder/ easier Just RNG modifiers thats all
meager topaz
some of the people doing EDD's are still..very new
flat dirge
I don't see a problem with that.
sick wren
But if newbies can finish EDD, how our elite 3 gold stars dwars will feel they are special?
coral tulip
is edd easier solo
rotund ivy
depends on the player tbh
buoyant token
When on solo Dreadnoughts don't turn during many animations
Also roar more often with is one of them
feral atlas
play gunner
sick wren
So they behave differently on solo runs?
buoyant token
Yes
sick wren
Good to know, thanks
feral atlas
gunner is the most consistent dread solo
the shield while expanding has fear and turns it around
sticky grenade also does significant damage to the armor shell even if you stick it on his face
sick wren
I don't play gunner, I am just 200 hours into the game, it's too early to try different classes
In my 1000 hours of TF2 I've tried 4 classes
proven oxide
haunted cave + point extraction in a deep dive is pain.
change my mind.
covert heath
freeze the ghost
covert heath
since when
feral atlas
have the scout get its aggro and kite it away
sick wren
Good it's on normal DD, no idea how people would finish it on some 3rd stage of EDD with like 3 real Detonators
meager topaz
not so much about newbies in EDD
tardy pier
we were 360 - 500 playerlevel
sick wren
You are newbie till 1000 level
sick wren
This week EDD so hard, 2nd stage is a bitch
tardy pier
yep
sick wren
Need just more luck with RNG
tardy pier
nearly had the dreadnought, but nope grundwave in between
at least no double bulsk this time
feral atlas
sigh
sick wren
We finished Dreadnought last time and entered next cave with like 5 hp and there was a Detonator right in the entrance
feral atlas
alright, what time zone are you?
tardy pier
lawl. central EU
feral atlas
rip
sick wren
DRG literally never made me raging on losing. It's still feels fun, people in game so positive (unlike on Discord), only once host ragequitted when half died to falling and other half to Spitballer
Damn community so much better than on TF2 and Dota
exotic hollow
I ragequit when I get excessive amounts of bulkdets and have no revives
which is usually on the third one
tardy pier
no, not elite deep dives since last week
exotic hollow
or if one attacks when im doing something where i have to be in a spot
sick wren
Try to play with randoms if your friends are toxic. I've met only positive randoms in EDD
tardy pier
my friends are not the problem
were communicating, nobody is toxic
but I just find EDDs BS.
sick wren
We had this Engi who just got promotion, we even didn't get past 1st stage, but he was so nice, and bought drinks after failing
Yeah, maybe if I will fail EDD like 20 times, I will be upset too, but on 4th try I'm still excited
tardy pier
6th
frail zodiac
make it to first dreadnaught, kill the wave, let the cryro driller do his thang and kill it
sick wren
Last game people had mic and only Driller didn't have. On 2nd stage everyone had full HP, farmed sugar for Driller, who had only half and he didn't listen and ran forward. And Gunner said that he probably has diabetes, that's why he doesn't want sugar: "Look how fat this guy is, he surely has diabetes"
feral atlas
I failed EDD first time, won 2nd time, won 3rd time, and decided to call it a day
If you really must win EDD, you either need to have a lobby of haz5 regulars. Or gatekeep hard.
tardy pier
was I said, 300 - 500 playerlevel xD
sick wren
EDD is kinda self-regulated, there are mostly high lvl dwarfs trying it. Rarely meet with low levels
sick wren
Don't give up
Go finish weekly assignments, relax and repeat
I promoted my dwarf while was trying, so need to make a pause for assignment
feral atlas
EDD is not regulated
frail zodiac
there are mostly high lvl dwarfs trying it. Rarely meet with low levels
well it was exact opposite for me lol
feral atlas
exact opposite
all the good players finish them first couple of days
and low level players still want overclocks
your chances of a good pub start bad, and get worse over time
actually, this depends on what you consider "low" level
sick wren
Looks like EU works differently
frail zodiac
im EU tho
feral atlas
below 100 is lowish for me; I don't trust them unless I've played with them before
sick wren
Feel bad for you, I didn't have this issue so far
feral atlas
it's very common, if not almost expected, to get all bronze lobbies on public EDD
I would be surprised if I even see a silver
sick wren
As I said, most of working people have time only on weekends and Friday evening
So maybe that's why
harsh steppe
<-- wooden star
tardy pier
jacob, #non-drg-chat
stone reef
Just finished EDD , it just takes the right coordination if you want to play with 4x man multiplier.
Honestly what cripples the team is FF which a lot of the newer people tend to forget at high Haz level its killer
feral atlas
No shield is the mutator that reminds you just how many bad habits having a shield makes you not realize you have
Like walking on front of a gunner shooting something
dire roost
We got through last week's EDD, I (Scout) just had to revive people 42 times to get it done 😂
All bronze 1 stars
rotund ivy
noice
twilit tulip
if someone is less than rank 50 they usually end up being a liability
at least for EDDs
dire roost
I was the only one above rank 50 (I'm rank 50). We were just coordinated and motivated. And it was f***ing epic
sick wren
Wow, someone actually has fun playing EDD?
dire roost
Not going to get time this week due to PAX 😭
twilit tulip
PAX-aus right?
spiral scroll
I just solo my EDD cause I don't trust teammates nor myself to be actually good with elitists.
dire roost
Yeah
sick wren
You are from Australia?
dire roost
Yeah
twilit tulip
Running EDDs as a duo went smoothly for me because I knew the other person was competent and the spawn rates were significantly lower than a full squad
sick wren
We need ranked for EDD, so people can compete with their e-dicks. Most will be upset that aren't first tho
rotund ivy
no point if people would just hack their numbers
twilit tulip
what would the ranking even be for tho? mission time or # of times cleared?
feral atlas
Probably would be a scoreboard showing people who finished EDD with 0 downs
dire roost
I would be at the bottom of that scoreboard 😇
sick wren
So 1 down?
dire roost
Sure...
thorny geyser
I had solid team of randos.
blissful lantern
EDD was a nightmare for my part, most randos that filled the fourth slot were terrible
No clue on why it is so hard for people to play scout properly
just.mine.nitra
i like to see gold stars scouts being absolute trash tho, just reminds me that levels don't mean anything in this game
feral atlas
it's not the stars that count, really
it's more the level that has a somewhat decently strong correlation
each promotion is roughly 8 account levels
If you see someone on gold 3 but account level 70, that means he's probably just only played that one class
blissful lantern
most gold stars people are with 90 ish acc levels
plain torrent
rotund ivy
there are telegraphed swarms when you are in the egg room and the next room after that
hollow pawn
i highly recommend a 2 scout, 2 gunner team
engineer is massively disadvantaged in this weeks EDD
bunker strategy on stage 2 for the swarms is a lifesaver, should you opt for that go 2 scout, 1 gunner, 1 driller
if your scouts have the 290% focus damage OC , use it, you can mow down the praetorian hordes
rotund ivy
it was nerfed
pure portal
so I did deep dive first try and now tried to help a friend we failed 4 times xD
1 cuz of bad rng
and rest for stupid decisions or bad luck I guess
hollow pawn
yea i played with the 290% thing even after nerf, but i dunno by how much
pure portal
never called supplies despite 300 nitra
or I didnt ressuply they died and I'm out of M1000 ammo and I beef
damn shame
gusty mango
I beat the EDD after four tries.
hollow pawn
the thing is, you need to use dwarves that can handle swarms face to face, engineer cant do that with his primary weps
gusty mango
First time we got swarmed, second time we got swarmed...
feral atlas
There is a somewhat consistent way organize a good EDD pub.
It's tedious, but consistent.
hollow pawn
oh and ziplines, use them
feral atlas
Host open haz5 lobby.
gusty mango
...third time we got crushed by the mine head...
And i was the only one to make it out at the very end.
feral atlas
switch to EDD after you've had a mission or 2 to assess team quality
gusty mango
That actually seems like a good plan
feral atlas
This is with the normal EDD queue, everybody and their mother is jumping on because they want OC
Only a particular segment of the player population actively searches for haz5
it's basically the difference between hiring people out of shopping mall, versus hiring right off the street
hollow pawn
consider a 100+ rank only
feral atlas
rank doesn't really mean anything in and of itself
it's better to just host a game that only good players would actively search for and join
gusty mango
Pure skill is what's important
feral atlas
then transition to EDD afterwards
fringe kettle
rank is a measure of playtime, not skill
hollow pawn
theres an element of rng too
feral atlas
rank is correlation
useful, but not the best you can do
host a haz5
something with a nasty mutator like shieldless or lethal enemies
wind nest
theres people that have played for ages and have mediocre skill 
feral atlas
get the randoms that join, if they beat it
then you can do EDD easily
any team that can handle haz5 shieldless or lethal enemies without a positive modifier will cream the EDD
feral atlas
eh, if that's your cup of tea, not gonna stop you
pure portal
all 4 tiems we lost is cuz I could do better and fucked up
feral atlas
if you just want to do the EDD in 1 go and forget about it, do it with the method I outlined
pure portal
that 1 time yea nahh taht was bullshit bad rng
feral atlas
host a public haz5 to scare away the baddies, see what randoms you get and evaluate them, then switch to EDD
pure portal
well I completed the EDD first time with my potato friends but that was before the enemy buff and I think we got luck like no swarms at all
wind nest
💪 🥔
wind nest
they were not really potatoes then
wind nest
potatoes always win 🥔 
pure portal
had to leave them cuz no time
and with 10000 macteras and 100 grabbers its hard to revive
feral atlas
i've started asking people to not equip the fat boy
95% of people would not trust with it
pure portal
its a good meme
feral atlas
the other 5% know it's worse than nearly every other oc
pure portal
but I don't think its practical
havent got the M1000 op one yet curious if its really broken
or you do run out pretty fast
now that they nerfed its ammo
if its bad
I'll just get the ammo/reload one
wraith shard
its still pretty good
narrow glacier
How is this weeks EDD
shut sierra
Pretty nasty
o2, shield disrup, and mactera
(point extraction+morkite, mining op+dreadnought, and I wanna say egg hunt? Forget the last one.
beat the first two, got rekt by the mactera swarms
sick wren
Get enough lubricant for 2nd stage
midnight sphinx
Another point extract with low o2?
Management is being absolutely sadistic these past few weeks
zenith trail
low o2 PE is waiting for the scout simulator
sick wren
Yep, 2 Scouts made 1st stage much easier, but totally ruined 2nd stage
zenith trail
we did EDD with 2 scouts, one with IFG for the 2nd stage was nice because there's many chokes and me with cryo nades to basically delete mactera from the game on stage 3, its a win button
and because of 2 scouts we did the 1st stage really fast and got all the nitra
don't even need engi because its sand, you can mine the wall
sick wren
Everything can work in DRG. People even make Driller useful somehow
meager topaz
getting real tired of getting wrecked on edd
sick wren
Go finish assignments, take a rest, refresh
civic cairn
Driller is best class to home. 😛
warm knoll
for the bullets of mercy overclock do multiple statuses stack
sick wren
I am 95% that no
sick wren
It's written which statuses are applied
There are stun, fire, ice, electro and that's all
Oh and poison too
warm knoll
aww i was hoping it would apply to every status
+33% on stunned is still pretty good
and electrocuted
sick wren
You can use GK2 mod that stuns target
warm knoll
yea ive got the 40% chance to stun on weakpoint
+30% damage on weakpoint
havent tried it yet but it sounds like a nice build
sick wren
So you get +40% stun hitting weak point + 33% damage from OC on stunned enemy. And I use +30% weakpoint damage. It cuts through all anarmored creeps, especiall those yellow flying assholes
warm knoll
yea ive gotta try it out
sick wren
What secondary do you use?
warm knoll
the zhukovs
ive only ever been using the m1000
ive pretty much ditched the gk as soon as i got the m1000 but now i want to try it again with these new overclocks
keep getting overclocks for the gk and not the m1000
sick wren
Maybe you will like it, it won't still kill that blue ceiling spitter fast
warm knoll
yea ive always liked how the m1000 can just 1-3 shot things from miles away
sick wren
I actually didn't like m1 from the start, GK2 did its job and now they even buffed it
warm knoll
wait how did they buff it
sick wren
With overclocks and in one of the last patches, I believe it was 25
zenith trail
zhukovs with cryo mines are also pretty good with mercy bullets
another status to apply
or the IFG nades
sick wren
That's a good point, they buffed cryo mines with this OC
zenith trail
cryo mines is already a straight upgrade with blowthru for horde clearing tbh, not really unstable lol
they also work pretty good to freeze bulks or dreads if you dont have a cryo driller
or even swarmer nests with only 1 or 2 mines
sick wren
Why waste mines on nest?
zenith trail
if you kill the nest while frozen it doesnt spawn green swarmers
for bulks/exploders they dont explode
sick wren
I think it's still a waste of mine
zenith trail
so you just use some mines on them when they are low hp, then team focuses
sick wren
Maybe it's good idea, maybe cryo mines underestimated
vale falcon
iv seen Spirit use cryo mines
sick wren
Who is Spirit?
vale falcon
best boi spirit
zenith trail
its 1 less damage and 10 less clip, that actually makes the speed on empty clip mod better, for insane crowd control without needing cryo nades or a driller and also works well with the gk2 OC
so really worth, a straight upgrade
with blowthrough even more because you dont waste bullets shooting the ground
sick wren
10 less clip, what are you talking about?
zenith trail
the downsides, its an unstable overclock