between single and duo
#deep-dive-discussion
rotund ivy
modern flint
Hello! I gotta question, what are the new 3 new miner union roles and how to I access them? I'm new to the game btw
rotund ivy
https://www.deeprockgalactic.com/miner-community-faq this link has the information you're looking for
modern flint
Ah, thank you!
rotund ivy
duo is probably the easiest way to do EDD
alpine grotto
BET-C isn't pre-seeded?
still temple
wait EDD still scale?
wheat token
rotund ivy
yeah, my first duo EDD is 28 minshttps://discordapp.com/channels/257785731072786435/626770765525680170/626844957646520320
still temple
huh, maybe solo gunner/driller is my best bet for getting that lvl3 core
any recommendation for solo? strats?
proven viper
Weekend runner or what ever that perk is will def help running to drop pod and getting away from swarms
patent pendant
Ninth attempt at a deep dive was a failure. Joining randoms doesn't work. Or I'm cursed. 🤷
nocturne birch
where is the upgrade terminal? i only see drone and equipment
harsh mountain
i just want everyone to know that @covert heath is the most fucking cursed player i ever played with
DD stage 3, 3 bulks lmao
first time i even faced a bulk on DD
spiral scroll
Welp lost last stage of the elite deep dive because the MULE takes 4 minutes to get to a droppod
harsh mountain
just drill4hea- oh wait.
covert heath
You're not cursed. I'm cursed. 3 bulks on the last stage of the normal deep dive and that elite deep dive can fuck right off to the core of hoxxes. Stage 2 we died inside the pod
brittle relic
Bruh I can't beat it for the life of me
harsh mountain
@covert heath stage 2 dying inside the pod is kinda standards due to the shitfestof a spawn-
//
brittle relic
I hate to be a leaf lover, but if this is the standard for deep dives than they need to be easier
normal bobcat
tbf, the elite deep dive should be beard-brakingly hard, it took my one group 3 tries, but we eventually did manage to survive the spawn on the elite stage 2 (barely died at the end of stage 3 but still possible) Also for all we know, considering we've only seen one of each type, this may not be the standard
brittle relic
that's true I suppose, but that second mission was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life
seven attempts and I still havent gotten past
rotund ivy
time to switch up builds and routes
sturdy glade
what's the difference between elite and regular? Is elite just Haz5? Are the rewards any different?
rotund ivy
everything is the same except map seed and difficulty
sturdy glade
so, same overclocks and stuff then?
rotund ivy
4.5 / 5 / 5.5
sturdy glade
got it, thanks
alpine grotto
Does EDD scale for 2-3 people?
rotund ivy
everything scales
vapid quiver
deep dive too easy, deep dive elite makes me scream constantly in terror
I'm sure I echo many opinions lol
balmy sinew
Edd stage 2 is by far the hardest elite dive stage, 3 is positively relaxing in comparison.
Enough so that when doing it i couldn't help but feel it was odd to jot always have a swarm of exploders on our ass at all times.
wanton cloak
I got done with elite deep dives 30 minuets faster then the regular one
velvet sandal
I just did my first deep dive. Failed on the 3rd stage
harsh mountain
EDD scales yeah
I think EDD Scales just fine
we just need a map that isn't
seededto be super scuffed
so next week will probably be fine
unless the devs are like
if stage 2 EDD
spawn 18000 spitball infestors on nspawn
balmy sinew
If stage 2 EDD
Bulk detonator spawn rate: always yes
balmy sinew
I do feel like there were two guaranteed bulks on the normal DD stage 3, soooo....
harsh mountain
there isn't
i've done multiple DD3 without encountering a single bulk
other then that tiem 3 spawned
still temple
heartbreak, died solo map 3 EDD after the second mini mule.
shockers mixed with a wave just made it so i ran out of revives
woeful shadow
So doing the elite for the first time
Gunners are so scared to drop their shield
especially when that 2nd mission door opens...
covert heath
Elite 2 is an absolute shitfest. Really horrible gen on that seed, methinks
of course, can't be as bad as having 3 bulks on the uplink of the normal DD (Radish can back me up on that...)
woeful shadow
the 2 spitballers and brood nexus right out the doors
covert heath
The nexus isn't so bad. The spitballers and the vast population of 4chan wannabes are more annoying
woeful shadow
Not to mention one person wasted an ammo resupply and no one actually got ammo before moving on
covert heath
the nexus only gets pissy once you blow it to beer and back
woeful shadow
So I started the next mission with 2 shotgun shells
woeful shadow
and tell your gunner to DROP THE SHIELD
feral atlas
elite 2 is only a shitfest because of shit players
it's always been like this and will likely always be like this
woeful shadow
Like I think Im doing ok, then everyone goes down at once cause they didnt pay attention to exploders
and im stuck trying to kite and revive everyone
feral atlas
gotta find better people
woeful shadow
with no ammo
feral atlas
it's the exploder + jellies that makes it bad if your engi doesn't have proper turret technique
woeful shadow
I tried with driller and made sure to cryo it, that seemed to work wonders
balmy sinew
Elite 2 is a shitfest because the swarms literally never stop.
woeful shadow
the objectives arent that hard tho
balmy sinew
At least when i played it there was literally no downtime.
Yeah the objectives were not much trouble, it was just really damn annoying having to deal with constant waves of glyphids and exploders.
feral atlas
that's a judgment on the poor quality of players
I've tried the elite dives 5 times
won 4 of them
it's not that difficult if players don't lollygag
balmy sinew
Edd stage 2 is possible, yeah, just not exactly fun as it has absolutely zero chill.
woeful shadow
and dont die alone
balmy sinew
Stage 3 was a cakewalk in comparison.
feral atlas
EDD only needs 2 good players
rotund ivy
apparently, you wont run into the spitballers and some mobs if you went solo
balmy sinew
I feel like it's less 'weeding out the unskilled' and more 'this mission's seed is a bit bonkers with super-low spawn timers and constant barrages of exploders.
covert heath
Yeah. That.
woeful shadow
e l i t e
covert heath
Some seeds screw you, some seeds spoil you
balmy sinew
Please shut up, that doesn't make the seed any less crazy.
balmy sinew
It wasn't fun, just made the game a slog because we kept having to run from exploders while doing objectives over and over and over.
feral atlas
as long as engi keeps a turret up in a non retard spot, you can play footsies with the exploders all day
still temple
solo map 2 still has the breeder and brood, but no spit...i think, i forget if there was one under the spawn
feral atlas
it only gets bad when engi is dumb, there isn't adequate jelly clear, and you get stunned when the exploders come
balmy sinew
Yeah i was the engi, the issue was for the damn exploders and glyphid swarms to stop for even a second so i could set the damn thing up.
feral atlas
was gunner popping shield on you?
still temple
but yeah solo digger is pain when it comes to shockers
balmy sinew
It was literally a neverending flow of bugs and exploders.
I think we were all too busy running around and avoiding being blown up to remember gunner shield.
balmy sinew
It petered out slightly after what felt like ten minutes fortunately.
Was a looooot of running around but we did manage to get that beat and then the third cave.
feral atlas
send me an invite and as long as you are within decent ping range of the west coast, I am reasonably certain I can carry with gunner as long as you can keep turrets up
balmy sinew
Will you please shut up about implying players not following your specific strategy are somehow bad? It's really getting annoying.
feral atlas
EDD stage 2 isn't unfair. It's a weeding out section.
balmy sinew
I even managed to get up a turret once but it didn't do enough to make a difference in the horde of bugs and exploders that kept coming in a constant flood.
There was quite simply too many targets for my turret to do much in that instance.
balmy sinew
Sure it'd get one or two, but what about the other twenty racing past?
feral atlas
engi can't do much alone
gunners job is to first kill the spawn room, then keep the ground based enemies low enough that the sentries can deal with the jellies
balmy sinew
Engi even with a turret set up can't do much in the first place, at least at the start.
It was that bad.
feral atlas
...
I'm saying engi can't solo carry without a good gunner.
If your gunner was bad, you will lose no matter how good you are at engi.
balmy sinew
And i'm saying we were being fucking swarmed like it was mating season for half the glyphids on the planet non-stop for at least five minutes straight.
feral atlas
Okay. I've won this thing 4 times by now with randoms.
balmy sinew
Complete with exploders every fifteen seconds or less.
feral atlas
It's not impossible. Something is being done wrong.
next pebble
👀
balmy sinew
We must have had vastly different enemy seeds on that then, because what I had was absolutely insane and i'm pretty sure shields were used just to be able to revove people.
feral atlas
every seed is identical
balmy sinew
I know damn fucking well it's not impossible, because we cleared the freaking stage.
feral atlas
if you won, why are you complaining?
balmy sinew
The cave generated is identical, the enemy seeds aren't always the same.
feral atlas
alright, do you have screenshots to show kill count?
balmy sinew
Seriously, is my somehow beating that suddenly making me saying there was an absolutely ridiculous flood of glyphids and exploders nonstop invalid?
feral atlas
For me, if I win, it wasn't unfair.
balmy sinew
We couldn't stand still because we literally could not kill them fast enough to keep a clear area for severla minutes straight.
feral atlas
It's called elite for a reason.
balmy sinew
You have a bafflingly bad grasp on 'unfair'
feral atlas
Perhaps unfair is the incorrect word. "Unreasonable" would be better.
balmy sinew
That besides, it seemed ridiculously out of place for deep dive considering mission 3 was vastly easier by miles and miles, so i feel like it was straight-up an absolutely crazy seed with the spawnrates.
harsh mountain
tbh i don't even really mind theexploder spawns since half the time they clump up so much
feral atlas
I agree in that sense. Misison 3 should have been harder.
harsh mountain
also yeah even if it's haz five stage 2 spawn rates was a little funky
maybe it had to do with how the map was set up
game be like "oh you revealed the entire map"
feral atlas
Stage 3 has way too many chokes.
harsh mountain
time to send all the preset enemies after you
balmy sinew
When i played it we had exploders so often we could barely go five seconds wihout more coming in all while in a neverending swarm.
harsh mountain
er i meant that the exploders would explode all of them after one dies
but i only played like twice so
balmy sinew
Stage 3 also doesn't have half of hoxxes on your tail every second.
harsh mountain
that's just my 2cents
feral atlas
It wouldn't have mattered if STage 3 had stage 2 spawn rates
the map is too chokepointy for that to matter
that, and shield disrupt as a mutator was nerfed
I miss the old shield disruption
balmy sinew
Anyway my opinion is that stage 2 was a bit of an anomaly with this EDD, what with the crazy high spawn speed and the insane difficulty spike, only to go straight back down again afterwards.
harsh mountain
i wonder how spawning works in this game
feral atlas
I agree that it's an anomoly. I disagree in the sense that I believe all the stages should have been stage 2 in difficulty.
harsh mountain
i don't think spawnrates are tied to a seed, so i think it was more of an malign stars aligned
feral atlas
The only thing weird about stage 2 was the range of that leech.
Never seen a leech grab that far.
balmy sinew
I am not saying EDD should be easy, I'm saying stage 2 was way out of place for its difficulty and spot in the stage list.
next pebble
Spawns are not seeded. Some enemies like leeches, brood nexus, and spitballers will appear in the same place because they're placed with map generation, but otherwise it varies
balmy sinew
Figured it was something like that, dig.
feral atlas
It makes sense that they would put the hardest stage there
balmy sinew
So either the spawns really are as rieixulous as when i ran through there with my team or we just got a really, really, really malicious director.
next pebble
Also, draconic, you need to watch the language man. That's quite a few f bombs I've read through
feral atlas
Well, how many kills did the engi have in the end?
Unless he hit 1000+, it wasn't that bad
harsh mountain
the only time you can claim you have terrible spawns is when 3 bulks spawn on your ass during extract0
i mean what
(i'm meming)
balmy sinew
And i would be less frustrated it feel would stop brushing off my every single point and argument with something along the lines of elitist 'but you did it, didn't you?' And 'well i think it should have been a lot harder'
feral atlas
I think you at least get 2
feral atlas
I've seen 2 every time on regular DD last run
next pebble
I love getting a bunch of bulks, they're so much fun
lucid silo
Anyone else have grabbers pull them right out of the pod on 1?
feral atlas
not that it killed anybody
balmy sinew
Seen 2 bulks every time on normal dd too.
burnt sandal
@lucid silo yeah, happened to me once in the EDD
harsh mountain
🤔
burnt sandal
and got two bulk spawn in normal DD too.
feral atlas
@harsh mountain must be hax
lucid silo
Just making sure it was working as intended.
feral atlas
or magic
harsh mountain
maybe i'm hallucinating
feral atlas
yes you are
harsh mountain
but i'm pretty sure i would remember a bulk
spiral scroll
I didn't get any bulks
feral atlas
the bulks were mating in a hidden tunnel
next pebble
Bulks aren't guaranteed
feral atlas
took em out of action
next pebble
even though I wish they were
balmy sinew
Certainly felt like the 2 bulks were guaranteed.
harsh mountain
that's just rng for you.
feral atlas
though it may be possible that this is just variance for me
harsh mountain
it was kind of annoying to have the first bulk spawn in the hallway while we were getting to the main room though lol
feral atlas
salt pit is an easy biome anyways
feral atlas
the pinballs are merely annoying, but don't kill you
jellies on the other hand, are both annoying, and get you killed
the rats of the sky
harsh mountain
just EPC 4head
harsh mountain
fair
feral atlas
maybe 200-300 of those were jellies
EDD is maybe the first time I've actually told somebody that it might be a good idea to go gemini
just for jelly coverage
harsh mountain
wew
spiral scroll
apparently there's also a bug where sentries refill on ammo between missions
harsh mountain
gemini is probably better on DDs tbh cause you have to worry less about weather or not there's nitra around the corner
what with preseeds and all that
pseudo spade
I'm seeing everyone on here talk about EDD 2, but I'm pulling my hair out as a solo gunner on EDD 1. I just can't seem to get enough damn morkite.
pseudo spade
Like, I've gotten past it a couple of times, but just barely. And then I go into stage 2 with damn near nothing and get stomped out the gate.
harsh mountain
just ignore all the mactera and ru-
pseudo spade
Yeah, I know. Gunner ain't great. But he's what I like to play.
feral atlas
minerals veins spawn in the same locations all the time
problem is stage 1 spawns a ton of grabbers
feral atlas
and the grabbies have long ass reach now
harsh mountain
yeaah
pseudo spade
See, I saw something where they said they changed how many aquarq spawned.
feral atlas
almost feels bugged
harsh mountain
i'm pretty sure they diddn't chainge aquaraq spawns
pseudo spade
And I think that helped. Cause I tried it again today and had no problem with the morkite.
pseudo spade
Hm. I saw the patch notes, but that was last friday. Idk. I died at 140+ morkite about 8 times and then breezed it today.
harsh mountain
we all need that low gravity +rich atmosphere but with uh idk, low oxygen and haunted caves?
pseudo spade
Low grav + rich atmosphere with auto cannon. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.
harsh mountain
would volatile guts+parasites make the parasites explode too?
feral atlas
I dunno if parasites is even a real negative mutator
all it does is inflate the sentry's kill count
harsh mountain
parasites is pretty mediocre yeah
though i'm a driller cryomain so you know
they're already dead
shy patio
Is anybody else struggling with the elite deep dive?
harsh mountain
lots of people are
shy patio
The 2nd stage
shy patio
I like a challenge, dont get me wrong
harsh mountain
but doesn't stop peopel from complaining
pseudo spade
Yeah, even when I finally did the 1st, the shellbacks were fucking me over.
shy patio
The room in which the mules are located is burned into my memory
pseudo spade
But, that's solo gunner for you.
harsh mountain
don't shellbacks ignore shields buggily?
i mean it's guess it isn't bugged since i'm pretty sure all force shield does is make that area generate liek infinite fear
shy patio
I have Elephant Rounds on my pistol and I havent noticed a difference when shooting shellbacks
harsh mountain
which is why bulks and such ignore it
feral atlas
When you spawn, gunner throws a shield out the door and him + scout focuses down the spitballers
Engi sets up sentries in drop pod door
Driller follows in and helps gunners, then starts flaming the grunts
Once spitballers are dead, focus acid spitters
Then gunner goes to the dirt entrance and focuses down the breeder
harsh mountain
cause you can't fear them
feral atlas
if you want ez mode, best team comp is probably engi + scout + 2 gunners
feral atlas
you mean driller?
shy patio
If anyone wants to give it a try sometime, hmu, I still need to complete it :c
harsh mountain
brainfart sorry
shy patio
EU
feral atlas
time, more or less
feral atlas
just a cosmetic then
feral atlas
I would argue stage 3 is easier than stage 1
proud glacier
I keep dying on Stage 3 myself, even with a full-stack team.
feral atlas
mactera hit like a truck this update
honest lantern
Anyone have tips for stage 2 I've made at least 5 different attampts with no progress
feral atlas
scroll up
proud glacier
So the last matrix core is a guaranteed cosmetic?
feral atlas
yes
also, the overclock I got was the most hilarious minigun mod I've see yet other than the brass beast mod
proud glacier
Niiice.
proud glacier
I got the +2 damage for x2.5 spread mod, myself
If I use the better accuracy Tier 1 Mod I literally just have both Tier 2 mods with the overclock with mildly more spread.
It's nutty
feral atlas
you can recreate nearly every TF2 minigun with mods
proud glacier
Yeee
proud glacier
The other overclock was the stability AI mod for the Deepcore
Having literally 0 recoil is fun
molten anvil
Just beat the EDD on the first attempt, got lucky and my team kicked ass. But dang was that fun, the devs are killing it. When DRG hits that sweet balance of constantly fighting for your life, but you still win somehow, it's pure magic
woeful shadow
welp
was about to come in here and say how easy solo deep dive was
but got combod by a fucking spit baller at the very end
and lost on the final stretch
Those spit ballers just dont fuckin die
3 attempts in a row, last one taking an hour, dont think I'll try again
Tho I know I can do it
now that im aware of that BS spit baller
First mission was the hardest by far with the mactera and confusing ass cave with little nitra
thorny gate
my curiosity would have gotten the better me and join this ASAP 😄
shy patio
I did but its a bunch of low levels
tardy pier
Anyone up for Elite Deep Dive? Died 2 times yesterday once in stage 2 and one VERY frustrating time right after finishing all obhjectives in stage 3 😦
woeful shadow
I found solo to be easiest
with cryo driller
The first mactera mission is hardest, but you can usually kite most of it pretty consistently with the increased move speed while bosco has your back
warped adder
tardy pier
who needs credits or exp?
I need BEARDS
hairy braided open oiled customized wild manly dwarvish beards
give them to me woman, give them all
strong musk
Shouldn't elite deep dives give better cosmetics or overclocks than deep dives?
tardy pier
no
its just for 'elites'
if you did that, everybody would go OMG we need to do elite deep dives and toxic crap
you finish it, youre elite, thats reward enough imo
strong musk
okeh
pallid comet
I mean it's just haz 4 with bugged XP that adds up to only half the listed reward and no crafting materials 😐
excluding mineral containers, the "you opened a duplicate item in your lootbox" trash that devalues your time
burnt sandal
It keeps people not good enough to play them away from it
We don't want to get flooded by people who can barely make it out of a haz 3 missions.
It's hard enough like that with randoms already.
wraith shard
Also it is not "you" who is not good , You just do not have the proper Upgrades and modifications to be up to par , your skill will only take you so far
wraith shard
Shots fired to the greenbeards
pallid comet
It really is the upgrades though
tardy pier
I play with greenbeards all the time 🙂
pallid comet
A lot of weapon imbalance would be relieved if the impact of mods were partially transferred to the base stats of the weapon
tardy pier
If there are greenbeards in the game, and nobody complaining about their skill - are they really greenbeards? 🤔
pallid comet
e.g. Gunner magnum, without no movement penalty a lot of rookies have a hard time justifying taking it out
Accuracy in general is a little odd but I expect it's for console port reasons.
terse osprey
I'm not sure about that, I mean, most overclocks are sidegrades with a slight buff to make them feel like an upgrade yet make the weapon itself feel different, however many weapons simply aren't in a good spot right now and no amount of overclocks will do them any good
pallid comet
BRT, Subata, Drills without top tier Bezerker/Vampire perks, AR, Stubby off the top of the head
Spread and innaccuracy tends to be in common here next to the alternative just having big damage and not an accuracy downside to them
The AR being natively as accurate as the MK1000 so you can start hitting weakspots from level 1 would go a long way for its relevance
terse osprey
I got a mod for gunner's burst gun, it's ammo at the cost of damage, emptying a clip never felt so disappointin
vocal bronze
you dont know what you're talking about if you think anything on that list but the AR is weak
well, besides the drills
but they're labelled "support tool" for a reason
pallid comet
There's still no reason to take the BRT over the magnum though when you can snipe on the move with the latter
And every automatic weapon that doesn't get MORE accurate the longer you hold the trigger does have an issue of needing mods to suppress their bloom
Specifically talking grinding to get mods asap, if it was base stats then it's more specific balance talk involved outside of this discussion
elfin stone
What world is this where people say the magnum is better than the BRT?
vocal bronze
you don't snipe with the BRT, you use it as an actual sidearm - to not waste ammunition on individual enemies that you would otherwise need to spool your weapon up to kill. even then, you can mod it for very reasonable accuracy that'll kill most things you need it to at long range, it's not going to kill an acidspitter but meh
anything larger than a spitter you want your primary for anyway
pallid comet
you don't snipe with the BRT, you use it to replace your primary
vocal bronze
lol?
pallid comet
Even then you're wasting so much ammo and taking longer to kill compared to pick axe
vocal bronze
if you can't aim at weak points i suppose you're right
terse osprey
I think the problem with BRT is its economy
pallid comet
Not after the first shot you can't, and some mods only make it more wasteful. If it was more a weird rhythm to firing it then it would be better, not bloom. It doesn't make any sense for SMG type guns.
elfin stone
Take the bonus damage on hitting all shots of a burst, and the BRT turns into a second primary weapon for the gunner, tons of ammo and murders everything.
pallid comet
And then we go beyond the scope of discussion which is base stats of guns
Which is the point, you gotta get mods to get good
vocal bronze
that's literally the entire point, yes
pallid comet
But even then that's BS because if you can get t2 mods with the magnum, it's still better
vocal bronze
okay im done
pallid comet
I like to one-shot annoying spitters at a distance rather than pretend I'm out of ammo for some reason on my primary
vocal bronze
if you can't see that each gun has different roles, IE that's the point of a sidegrade
then I can't help you
try an aim trainer maybe
pallid comet
Yeah, it's CounterStrike competitive or uninstall, no inbetween
wraith shard
Target Prioritization needs to do more damage to the thing it is hitting or something, Its a finial tier upgrade and all it allows you to do is Choose to target a specific Enemy. Kinda lame
pallid comet
I see it as a "turn off restricted firing angle" mod
but then you just pick a wall before you build and hey it has no angle restrictions
wraith shard
^^
pallid comet
something close to 110 degrees angle would make it more limited instead of "everything you can see on screen is where it will shoot"
Buff to target prioritisation is you stick a specific attack mark on an enemy so e.g. slap a dreadnought's weakspot with it, and the sentry will ONLY fire if it has a clear line of sight to that spot
They're so dumb wasting all ammo on invincible armour and their whips don't help either
To compensate for DPS drop add some fire rate increase to that targeting mode
wraith shard
I think just a little Extra damage or Faster attack speed . Cause the alternative to it is 100% damage . Thats too good to not use compared to the other
I mean if you do use Target Priotiozation let me know and tell me Why Cause I honestly Can not see a reason to take it Over The other
burnt sandal
@warped adder finished it entirely or just the 1st one ?
wraith shard
Its because You end up having 6+supply drops at the end
burnt sandal
Well, dunno about you but the 2nd mission was hellish for me
two spitballers right out of the gate + non-stop wave of enemies, plus exploders on top of that
was a lot to take in
wraith shard
a Large factor will be RnG with the Mutations and such , I imagine some weeks The deep dives will seem hellish
Gonna see some rescaling done also probably with them also
waxen arrow
balmy sinew
Yeah, the second stage is a bit bonkers with the spawn rate.
The exploders would be fine if there wasn't also a seemingly neverending wave to go with them.
junior roost
Hey guys, I have a question about elite dives. Ive just tried it for a few times and I'm not sure if the weave is infinite on the 2nd map?
balmy sinew
Heck, maybe the devs accidentally made it so each spawn of exploders also spawns a mini-wave? Would explain why the bugs never seem to stop coming.
junior roost
is it normal for the whole elite dive thing? the normal was way too easy but the elite one is pure hell
balmy sinew
Just try to rush stage 2, stage 3 is much, much calmer and actually has downtime.
junior roost
hm
balmy sinew
That's what I feel is the safest approach anyhow.
junior roost
okay, so thats some unique behaviour on stage 2, im glad
balmy sinew
Yeah, it's pretty much just an anomaly in the 3-stage chain.
junior roost
without the exploders i could handle the infinite normal weave but together
balmy sinew
Stage 3 isn't easy though, a lot of shockers, but at least there's pause between waves.
alpine grotto
My friends and I haven’t been able to beat stage 2
We got close once, but that’s it lol
4 attempts at it last night. Will be doing more today.
balmy sinew
Gotta be always on the move on stage 2.
alpine grotto
For sure
And the first map is annoying as hell lol
We actually end up not calling a supply drop, and just not killing anything after we get the aquarqs
Just kite the rest of the time lol
balmy sinew
Saves on resources.
alpine grotto
Which are desperately needed in stage 2 lol
nocturne birch
what is a 'community terminal'?
river turret
Screen just to the left of the Abyss Bar.
nocturne birch
ty!
hidden quiver
Stage 2 seemed like a pretty darn small cave compared to the others, despite the nigh neverending waves of glyphids
harsh mountain
honestly i think that's why the spawn rates were kindafunky
game was like: oh you basically uncovered 100% of the cave at once
director: time to send the entire map's worth of spawns at you
acoustic drift
haven't found 2 that bad but keep losing at 3
harsh mountain
EDD or DD?/
acoustic drift
edd
acoustic drift
no shields is so punishing if someone goes down
harsh mountain
no rare resources
opal mica
no crafting materails and the such?
opal mica
good
harsh mountain
there is gold but gold's kinda a meme if you're doing DD
seeds are preset every week so you know
nitra and health preserves between floors
there is actually no survival bonus
iirc, so you really should just leave people behind during escape
but otherwise DD isn't that bad if you have a semi competent team
rotund ivy
was it a hoarder
harsh mountain
sounds like a glitch in the matrix
fringe kettle
That's what I was thinking (hoarder), but it usually spits out more than 3.
harsh mountain
we're going to take you out
harsh mountain
doesn't loot hoarder dorp stuff as you damage it?
vale falcon
yep
bold valve
holly spawn in 1 stage when ur 4 man team
vale falcon
^ thats the most likely
feral atlas
seems possible
though if they were shooting the hoarder, it wasn't making that goddam screeching sound
thing pierces through walls
vale falcon
maybe the scout triggered it from very far away
bold valve
she has a wierd spawn u activate her by accident mostly
slim geode
is it worth doing deep dives instead of regular missions even if you already got the rewards?
vale falcon
nope, you cant get minerals in deep dives
slim geode
true
atomic plinth
false. i got 78 bismor in deep dive yesterday. because i killed a violet treasure bug.
those that are big like dreadnaugh and run around making a pig sound
wide bay
when do deep dives reset if i may ask ?
atomic plinth
i got into a room with 12 lootbug and 1 hoarder. quite the treasure. not counting all the gold and nitra vein.
still temple
DONE, omg getting a good rando team for EDD took to many attempts. hazard skin for scout so I'll say that was worth
steep violet
Can someone explain how difficulty works on the Deep Dives?
Is the normal set to haz 3 and the Elite set to haz 5?
broken stratus
I'm almost certain Elite is 4-5, dunno about normal Deep Dives
steep violet
Just seems odd that there's no hazard associated with them
next pebble
The deep dive difficulties are 3 - 3.5 - 4 & 4.5 - 5 - 5.5
next pebble
Yes
steep violet
Having this be shown in-game would probably be a good idea
willow tulip
They decided to stop showing it in-game
alpine grotto
cept atm it feels like 4.5/8/5.5
harsh mountain
that's just due to map gen.
5.5 is a much easier map gen then 2
er
i mean 3 is
runic lichen
Quick question - when doing the long deep dive assignment, does everyone receive same overclocks?
harsh mountain
the answer is no.
runic lichen
Okay, thanks a lot 🙂
harsh mountain
all the OCs are random
steep violet
3/3.5/4 is a way better progression then 3/3/3.5. God, Haz 3 is so boring.
scenic pond
Elite deep dive's kicking my ass.
first part isn't that bad, but the spawn for the second part has wiped my entire team 3 times over.
two spitballers and a brood nexus right off the bat, suddenly spawning in is brutal.
scenic pond
do i get a complimentary box of tissues?
scenic pond
The difficulty spike was surprising between regular and eltie deep dive
and I say that because I solo'd the regular one
indigo jungle
regular deep dive is 😴, I felt like I was playing hazard 3
harsh topaz
I'd say that going solo is easier than in team
Played both is solo and only had troubles in Elite's 3rd stage
scenic pond
solo'd the regular as driller because drill main for life
tried elite as engie and that didn't work too well
spent 20 minutes trying to find the last morkite
while being chased by a swarm
harsh topaz
If you are not playing scout e suggest you having a light upgrade on Bosco
scenic pond
usually I'm okay with finding morkite, it was just really high up out of my sight
harsh topaz
just Biozone things
scenic pond
yep
harsh topaz
I rememver first thoughts about Biozone
It was so cool at first sight
and then it fastly became the worst biome for me
scenic pond
I think my least favorite has to be magma, it's the framerate graveyard for my computer
harsh topaz
big oof
same problems
but at least you can put up a zipline in a cave without hearing "ITS TOO FAR"
scenic pond
best is split between glacial because ice levels are tops and radioactive
really hoping radioactive is next week's seed
ionic vector
I've done 3 attempts with a couple of randoms on elite
last one was a success, thankfully.
scenic pond
i've failed three elite dives in a row with randoms
so I'm taking a break rn
maybe will try it again later, solo scout if I have to
scenic pond
I'm still ~80 and most of the guys I was running with were 60-70
pearl comet
Never saw one person above 100 in my games, all 30 to 70 in rank
Just failed 5 times in a row on the second part of the elite deep dive and it's starting to get extremely frustrating
scenic pond
was contemplating the bunker strat for stage 2
still temple
2 was just a pain, between the normal waves, the exploder waves, then the egg spawned swarms. just finding down time is impossible if anyone goes down
wraith shard
at this moment all of my EDDs with randoms have been successful
scenic pond
the big issue with my EDDs so far is stage 2's start - two spitballers and a brood nexus right in front of the pod
no gunner's shield lasts that long
wraith shard
i din't encounter any issues with any of the EDD stages to be honest
scenic pond
that's great to hear mate
wraith shard
guess EUW randoms are just extremely efficient
scenic pond
probably, west US ain't doing well
trail grotto
regular deep dives are easy, but I haven't done an Elite yet. How much more difficult is the Elite compared to regular?
scenic pond
It's the difference between haz 3 and haz 5
trail grotto
😂 aight
scenic pond
I've been also running into that real shit issue with the fourth dwarf getting stuck in the drop pod
way too much
wraith shard
same
scenic pond
only ever seems to happen to the driller too
wraith shard
for me its pretty much random
steady field
Whew, it took 9 tries, switching to solo scout, and 8 lives on the last try but finally beat the damn thing
I'm just glad none of the spitballers camping the pod show up in solo
scenic pond
they don't? Huh. I'll have to try it.
tender axle
no wonder you guys have trouble with EDD, i have this one scout that literally never kills anything
he doesn't even shoot at spitters
vital cloud
rip
yeah ive been stuck on it for a couple trys now
lot of people just rage quitting .... kind of disappointing
wise sphinx
its worring that theres are quite a few people who cant do h4 and yet EDD is easier to access than h5
fringe kettle
I mentioned something along those lines the other day. It'd be nice if you had to have haz 5 unlocked before you're allowed to start an EDD.
wraith shard
H5 unlocked and at least 5 successful missions on h5 after that
Or maybe that is too much control
🤔
wise sphinx
i wouldnt think so since edd is 4.5 to 5.5 haz
fringe kettle
3 maps in a row with persistent ammo and health. So for all intents and purposes, more difficult than a single haz 5.
wise sphinx
its yes and no. The amount of nitra we get in edd makes ammo and hp a non issue long term.
the difficulty is the short term of staying alive through waves/set spawns
harsh mountain
ehhh
at that point
just turn EDD into an asignment
like how haz 5 is an asignment
in which case i think 5 might be too annoyingly long for players.
i forget how long the normal haz5 assignment was though
indigo jungle
there's way too much nitra
and all of the nitra is just there along the way of the objective
this makes ammo in EDD a non issue
amber plover
Deep dives are kick-ass, it took me multiple tries to beat that elite one
Looking forward to the next set of dives.
indigo jungle
on paper keeping nitra through all 3 missions sounds interesting but in reality you end up with 3 extra pods
nocturne dust
I beat it first try and I don't know what to play the game for until the refresh 😤
indigo jungle
it's partly a matter of nitra quantity but mostly the fact that it's easy to get nitra as a whole
nocturne dust
I wish I could grind overclocks right now because I only got skins and bad OCs
I think they might balance individual deep dives to have different challenges, maybe next week will have very little nitra
indigo jungle
well they need to balance modifiers in general
for some reason deep dives don't all have red modifiers
and not all red modifiers are equally dangerous
devout acorn
The EDD was fun, stage 2 out the gate was a BIT much though, instead of being a fun challenge that part was just slow and dull
you just stand in the pod slowly chipping away at the metric fuckton of enemies in relative safety
slow citrus
Is EDD haz 4 or 5?
devout acorn
different for different stages, 4, 4, 5.5 is the stuff I've heard thrown around, though I'm kinda convinced that stage 2 of this week's EDD was haz 5 at least
slow citrus
Are mutators set in stone?
proud glacier
Yes. You get the same mutators each mission.
Also, it seems like Third Stage is hardest. We always die to the first swarm without fail.
Been like that for the last six tries.
slow citrus
I did mine solo scout, but scout also has pheromone grenade which is just all kinds of busted
I do agree that nitra shouldn't be as common on stages 2 and 3, because I dropped about 3 pods since I had no other way to deal with the jellyfish swarms other than grenade
hollow iris
So you want nitra to be less common because...you woulda died?
proud glacier
To anyone that completed the EDD, can you help a brother out? I've been stuck on the third stage for the past three days.
rotund ivy
there should be no haz 4 on EDD
devout acorn
I can certainly give some advice. Hunt for nitra stage one, but don't stay any longer than you have to. Try to be ammo efficient. Be extremely careful out the gate on stage 2, best hunker down in the drop pod until you've killed most everything. Third stage those tunnels are real dangerous, be careful of friendly fire. What's been killing you stage 3?
willow tulip
If you're with a driller, bunkers are a good way to get through stage 3
proud glacier
The first swarm.
Most pubbies don't have mics or coordination so the amount of bugs just overwhelms everyone.
devout acorn
Autocannon is a very efficient way to take out most of those swarms
esp if you have the overclock that increases AoE
proud glacier
I've got an overclocked minigun.
nocturne dust
are you a brother who calls himself Queen Frau aka 2 words for female
fringe kettle
lucky
devout acorn
uh what
slow citrus
@hollow iris Well I've never once felt like I've been in danger of running out of ammo, which seems antithesis to one of the main points of deep dives
fringe kettle
I've managed to get overclocks for the brt and revolver and autocannon, but not the minigun.
hollow iris
I mean, if you're not wasting ammo then yes you will have plenty
Are you suggesting you want to run low on ammo regardless?
Or do you just want to be able to waste an hour or so of your time by using too much early without knowing?
slow citrus
More like the threat of it happening isn't really there
indigo jungle
it's because you can pickaxe your way through the low difficulty stage 1, and if you fail it's no big deal you can start over right away
and keep all the excess nitra
slow citrus
That's also true, just power attack everything and shield tank
devout acorn
We were ammo starved up until the very last bit of stage 3 and we beat it <45 min, dunno what you're talking about
hollow iris
I mean if you wanna play slow, melee and save nitra then yes, you will have a lot of nitra
willow tulip
Both deep dives I did had like 200-300 extra nitra at the end, and plenty each stage
hollow iris
I don't understand how this is a fault
indigo jungle
when I finished EDD we had enough nitra for 2 extra pods
it's not about playing slow it's about difficulty settings in mssion 1 being so low that it's easy to do
hollow iris
Especially considering shield disruption and low 02 exist
indigo jungle
this kind of playstyle gets you killed in haz 5
placid vault
I had enough for 6 resupplies at the end of my first edd
indigo jungle
what are the stages again, with modifiers
placid vault
seems there's way too much nitra to me
willow tulip
^
indigo jungle
I know one had shield disruption
hollow iris
Ahh I see so you want it to be totally inaccessable if you dont cheese
indigo jungle
but shield disruption has nothing to do with being starved with ammo
indigo jungle
or, maybe, there's too much nitra
devout acorn
Hard disagree
placid vault
there's no need at all to cheese it lol
slow citrus
Stage 2 was the easiest
You have rich atmosphere which is kite city, along with a big room map
devout acorn
Stage 3 was easier than stage 2 tbh
indigo jungle
remind me what were EDD stages
hollow iris
You want to be forced to play ammo starved instead of being able to save ammo
And be rewarded for being frugal
harsh mountain
4.5/5/5.5
indigo jungle
modifiers?
harsh mountain
rich atmosphere exploder infestation shield disruption
hollow iris
Isn't stage 2 the one with you spawning among two spitballers, a brood nest and dozens of exploders ?
indigo jungle
it's easy
slow citrus
Oh wait my bad, stage 1 was rich atmosphere
harsh mountain
yes that was stage 2
hollow iris
Easy for you yes, it took me ages to find a group that didnt just wipe immediately into 2
devout acorn
The sheer rate of waves on stage 2 quickly ate all your ammo
placid vault
tbh I didn't even realize it was shield disruption until a few minutes into the mission lol
harsh mountain
also we get it, you're better then most players
indigo jungle
stage 3 I don't even remember
placid vault
regular h5 missions often times just feel harder to me than the edd
may just be me tho
indigo jungle
I'm not flexing, several people are saying there's way too much ammo, as in, many extra pods
hollow iris
Yeah and several others are saying its fine
harsh mountain
and several people also say that they can't beat it.
indigo jungle
it also has to do with the weapons you use and how you modded them
those people are firing at the ceiling
hollow iris
Different people have trouble with different things
devout acorn
I've heard a lot more people talking about how they can't even beat it than people who say it's too easy and there's too much ammo
hollow iris
The fact they can't do as well as you doesn't mean jack shit in terms of balance
indigo jungle
not beating doesn't mean they failed to beat it due to ammo problems
hollow iris
I didn't say it did
indigo jungle
wiping in no-shield zone is logical
devout acorn
Ammo was definitely scarce
in my plays of it
Yet we still beat it, got the 45 min achieve
Felt like enough scarcity to make things really tense, without getting unfair
slow citrus
I guess in my defense, one resupply is actually two because I did my first EDD solo, but even on my second runthrough it seemed perfectly fine
indigo jungle
🤷 what can I say, we drowned in nitra at the end
hollow iris
Anecdotal evidence does not mean you're the arbiter of who gets to win, my dude
devout acorn
Almost seems like there's different players at different skill levels and different levels of coordinations (I was playing with randoms, like most other people in the game), and saying that everything should be harder because I'm better than everyone else is not the most productive way to balance a game
hollow iris
Quite unfortunately that's who the devs have been listening to
I have nothing against you if you want harder
slow citrus
Anyways, anyone use the minigun overclock that makes you unable to move?
hollow iris
But EDD are already bullshit sometimes
harsh mountain
it's pretty good from what i hear.
hollow iris
And if you want the OPTION to play it harder sure
indigo jungle
it's bullshit because modifiers, not nitra
hollow iris
But don't keep gatekeeping and locking more people out
Haz 5 is fine cuz its a small % bonus for people who want more
EDD is already an issue
harsh mountain
honestly i'm like 30% sure the Minigun overclock that makes you 40% stronger doesn't actually even root you if you fire while jumping.
harsh mountain
yeah so just jump fire like usual if you're kiting
probably a straight upgrade in that regard
devout acorn
I mean look, if you just think "there shouldn't be positive mutators in EDD" that's totally fair, getting rid of rich atmosphere wouldn't have made this week's EDD unfair
slow citrus
I'm still not sure how I feel about the reduced spread reduced pellet overclock for scout shotgun
hollow iris
It's one of the better OCs
indigo jungle
also you've found me out, I have a direct line with the devs, whispering in their ear right now
hollow iris
If it takes away pellets its probly not worth
harsh mountain
Shaped shells is probably bad
slow citrus
-2 pellets -35% spread
indigo jungle
it's not just positive mutators, it's treating all mutators as identical having double XP mutator does nothing to change difficulty
harsh mountain
if you wanted to do ranged damage, use the m1000 not a shot gun
indigo jungle
the game already knows not all mutators are equal yet they forgot that in DDs? 🤔
harsh mountain
A slug shotgun OC might be neat though
slow citrus
Yeah, I usually use the shotgun for wave clearing not ranged
hollow iris
IMO Boomstick should pierce by default
harsh mountain
does boomstick need a buff?
slow citrus
With punchthrough it's good for warriors and shit and then you can follow-up on the weakened enemies with the power attack if you want
indigo jungle
cave leech cluster is +15% xp/loot while exploder swarms are +25%, yet it's treated the same in DDs
weak red = strong red, but also yellow = red and 2 mutators = 1
hollow iris
Boomstick's better now for sure cuz of the cone thing
indigo jungle
not really consistent
hollow iris
But I still don't get its range/exact firing angle
slow citrus
The cone thing?
proud glacier
TFW you finally get a good group for Elite Deep Dives and you fall through the map on the last stage
harsh mountain
were you driller?
nocturne dust
I'll help if Europe
nocturne dust
you're fucking sorry?!?
burnt sandal
hey guys
just passing by to point the fact that people who complain that there's too much nitra in EDD are those who have an easy time with them already. Meaning you end up with a lot of extra nitra because you're already very good with saving ammo.
So the nitra is not the problem in the end.
slow citrus
That's fair
willow tulip
That's not true for me - I knew there was too much nitra but with a good team I still struggled with EDD
hollow flower
That's usually how it goes with players. The same players who say EDDs are easy tend to be the ones who only play with pre-made stacks
burnt sandal
Thing is : the game is too easy for a minority of people
but if we make a special difficulty just for them, other people will complain that it's too hard.
(just like what happened with haz 5)
hollow flower
Should just allow people to be able to slap on mutators on their missions
burnt sandal
yep
hollow flower
Games too easy? Now you have no shield and lethal enemies. Enjoy :)
burnt sandal
we need customisable difficulty in private lobby
That could be a good thing
(exception of positives mutators ofc)
(otherwise it would be way too easy to grind those minerals and gold)
burnt sandal
gg
proud glacier
GG's
foggy sentinel
burnt oasis
A lot of it has to do with how much you can ration yourself. If you don't want to use vampire and the pick and you shoot. Every. Single. Bug. Yeah you'll run dry
The same as refilling when you're only 60-70% down, you're 'wasting' ammo. Make use of your secondary to spready yourself further. And don't forget to use grenades and consumables. There's no point in sitting on 4 grenades.
Also keep in mind that nitra spawn rates are to help not put the game in an unwinnable state. The caves are dark and some classes may be solo, or missing a scout. Or they never put a flare in just such a way as to highlight a node or two. Missing an extra large nitra node or even a small one can mean missing 30-50 nitra.
harsh mountain
also depends on upgrade path.
burnt oasis
Yes, that too. There's a lot of factors and the devs need to include it all. I would also guess that while the seed is not random, swarms might still be, so you could get a 'harder' EDD then someone else purely because of swarm make up and comp.
Having swarms of prats or wardens, or a bulk, is far more ammo consumptive then one of swarmers, exploders, or even a normal one
wise sphinx
yet alot of the randomness of the enemy spawns can be heavily mitigated by simply communicating with your team before and during the mission
Yes spawns will change diff
burnt oasis
Yes, that's the point.
Can't make a random experience too difficult because sometimes the director will roll all ones, or sixes, or whatever, and then you get 5 bulks back to back or whatever.
And if you perfectly tailor the seed so it's all hand cultivated people will just 'solve' it
harsh mountain
i really don't now how the ai works in this game cause it doesn't feel budget based
wise sphinx
Well arent some of the hardest parts of the seed already static
harsh mountain
not really
harsh mountain
well ok that's a special case
but in DD3 some people fight 3 bulks
some people fight 0
which is just funny
and terrible
burnt sandal
cave leeches and spitballers will spawn at the same place
because they are generated with the level
harsh mountain
leaches and spitballers are part of world gen ye
wise sphinx
3 bulks is just a teamwork check lol
burnt sandal
other than that, it's all random
all in all I think the balance nitra is fine
if you're doing good, you'll end up with a lot of extra nitra
if you have a terrible time and/or bad spawns, you might still struggle with ammo
so yeah, no point in nerfing it as it can't really be weighted accordingly to start with, due to a lot of randomness
wise sphinx
is it really alot of randomness though
burnt oasis
I've only done the DD twice, with a single successful run, but they all went mostly the same. Nitra was thin, but strong play let us have more wiggle room.
wise sphinx
seems like haz 5 nitra rates are fine
burnt oasis
The driller can go melee build
Impact axes proc vampire, which also implies they proc beserker
And the drills are the same
burnt oasis
All it needs is some form of 'get off me' to prevent a swarmer or whatever fucking you up from behind
harsh mountain
i mean tbh drills are pretty good to get swarmers off
if you don't have an epc and don't wanna soin up cryo
otherwise they're pretty bad ammo effiency
hard jetty
Why is impact compensation V so many perk points for 1% less fall damage over IV?
Am I missing something?
nova elk
Secret bonus jump on enemy damage (I wish)
hard jetty
It seems completely worthless
14% fall damage reduction isn't even particularly good in and of itself considering the other perks imo, but I could be wrong
Falling is dangerous but not 14% dangerous
Rather have zipline speed or sprint speed or not die for 9 seconds
Actually, question, if you heal while under Iron Will do you still go down?
nova elk
Nope you're alive again
burnt oasis
Any HP regen takes you out of iron will
hard jetty
Yeah that's what I thought
burnt oasis
However, you're no longer invincible
hard jetty
Vampire here I come
burnt oasis
And Iron Will goes into cool down
nova elk
But then usually you just get slapped and die for real
burnt oasis
Typical scenario is that you vampire a grunt and a swarmer gnaws your ankle, killing you
Buuuut sometimes a sugar node is just close enough or you can resupply in time
Or you get the swarm just right to pluck a grunt in time to live
hard jetty
I mean if you can't clear what's hitting you in 9 seconds of shooting them, or just melee like an idiot as soon as iron will goes up, that's kinda dumb
But not what I have in mind
More like wait to melee until it's almost up then hopefully by the end I've made some space
burnt oasis
Iron will is most effective at securing a revive or for driller kamikazi
Or the scout grappling to the HP and continuing a kite
hard jetty
Gunner by the way, so I could also shield into melee
burnt oasis
Yes, an effective use
hard jetty
Fun game, some of the perks are pretty cool and others are snooze
Kinda was expecting more variety with perks but they did the variety stuff with the weapon mods, so not really complaining
burnt oasis
The 'useful perk' list is pretty short
fringe kettle
I imagine perks will get their time in the spotlight eventually.
burnt oasis
Revive speed, iron will, vampire. Beserker synergizes well with vampire. After those the usefulness sharply declines.
hard jetty
I feel like zerker is anti syngergy
hollow iris
Zerker and vamp are amazing
hard jetty
But I guess also the health gain is minimal and it's better to be at full health than have better melee
hollow iris
You can stay mid level HP with strong melee.Well, usually
hard jetty
I mean I think it'd be pretty crap for leviathans
hollow iris
For who
hard jetty
I accidentally joined a Lethal 4 mission at level 3 for hunting leviathans
I couldn't figure out why I kept getting one shot
burnt oasis
You're not meant to use beserker as a permanent strategy, it's mostly useful when you're on iron will and plucking grunts off to get yourself out of 'die to swarmer bite' territory
burnt oasis
I prefer the term Isabuff
hard jetty
nova elk
👌
harsh mountain
re falling damage
i think the reason why the perk levels so god awful is cause it's additive probably?
and there's other fall damage reducing stuff like engineer platofrm and
just an upgrade that makes you take 33% less falling damage
and it could also mean you could fall 14% farther
which is
a distance
but yeah it's kinda bad
burnt oasis
I believe it's simply 14% less damage
hard jetty
Unless it stacks all previous perks on top of each other, which I doubt
burnt oasis
The only one that can really make use of it is the scout
hard jetty
Because then you'd sprint 50% faster
harsh mountain
it doesn't no
hard jetty
It's 8 perk points for 1% less fall damage over IV
harsh mountain
you know
load speed is a meme
but i kind of want taht 30% damage res at t5
when you're next to molly
the aoe's probably too tiny
though
hard jetty
5m is 5m
But 30% actually isn't very much DR
Consider that if you get cornered you go down in about 3 seconds
harsh mountain
pair it up with gunner with the uh
hard jetty
Now you go down in 4 seconds
harsh mountain
when max firing speed
30% DR
to become
molly turrent build-
yeah it isn't much especially cause it's a small aoe
but it's funny
hard jetty
Now you go down in 5 seconds
hard jetty
Also that assumes its additive and not multiplicative
hard jetty
The unload speed could be useful if you had any reason to unload in combat
But it's not like carrying ore makes you slower
hard jetty
If I were gonna design perks they'd have a little more oomph, but then I'd probably make them OP, so, whatever
But I always look at game design as the more tools I give the players the more challenge I can throw at them
hard jetty
No it wouldn't be flat buffs like that, well, some would be
But I'd make perks provide unique game changing mechanics, like zerker and vampire do
nova elk
+25% defense while playing with steam friends
harsh mountain
i wish it wasn't tied to t5 though
hard jetty
I would make fall compensators actually scale well
But rather than just reducing fall damage it would increase the distance you fall before you take damage
hollow iris
Perks need a few buffs yeh
hard jetty
10% less fall damage AND you start taking fall damage after 5m more
And scale up to 35% less fall damage and 12m more
hard jetty
Maybe start at 3m
hollow iris
That also