Also, anyone find any really badass skins?
#deep-dive-discussion
chrome elk
jolly crypt
So, just did the Deep Dive. Have a few complaints.
The rewards feel lackluster for Deep Dives. There should be an extra at least 10% modifier for beating it or SOMETHING. Minerals seem almost non existent (maybe just bad luck?). The rewards you get still have to be paid for even though you literally get them as a reward for beating the deep dive in the first place..
Is it just my group of friends and myself that feels like this?
Also, you can only get the rewards once a week from the Deep Dive if I'm understanding it correctly?
woeful flame
Quick question: Does everyone in a party have to be promoted to do deep dives or just the host?
civic cairn
yes everyone has to be promoted.
wraith shard
so if I have a matrix core, but no upgrades i want to spend it on, do I still have to?
or will different upgrades show up later
blissful matrix
@jolly crypt I just did an elite deep dive. It isn't difficult. It's outright unfair.
I'm playing as a solo scout. You literally cannot do the second stage because the swarm is endless
fringe kettle
second stage for this seed is brutal
blissful matrix
can't repair the mules because they're obviously swarming you, and you can't get ammo
I only cleared first stage because I could run around as scout
fringe kettle
first and third are much easier in comparison
blissful matrix
is solo possible?
blissful matrix
it would seem that the second stage would be possible, but extremely difficult still, with a full team
fringe kettle
Lets just say we were playing hot potato with the iron will perk
fringe kettle
it consisted of being revived, running around with little to no ammo, reviving someone, running around some more, then going down.
blissful matrix
how'd you finish it with no ammo? just pushed the objective hard?
fringe kettle
we had plenty of nitra for resupply, but couldn't sit on it long enough to actually supply. Eventually I got a shield down on it and we finished off the swarm. Took much longer than it should've.
fringe kettle
it's just the seed that's used, it'll probably be improved for next week
blissful matrix
it's just hte infinite spawning
i think i had a swarm within a swarm
there's needs to be restrictions
livid prairie
our gunner kept getting a bug where he couldnt join at stage 3 of the elite, screwed us over a bunch. is there any way to quit and rejoin a deep dive?
blissful matrix
yeah, there's been trouble with loading on pods
fringe kettle
I had a teammate with that exact same issue. Black screen?
livid prairie
yep
blissful matrix
I've spawned above the drop pod
and below it
ltierally the whole team fell to the death
fringe kettle
he left and didn't rejoin so I assume you can't.
blissful matrix
except I was the only one without iron will so they could pick me up lol
livid prairie
supposedly the engi had someone leave and rejoin in experimental
fringe kettle
There really ought to be a 'rejoin game' option especially for long missions like this where no one else can join an in progress mission.
blissful matrix
disconnects should allow the rejoin
fringe kettle
which is great and all, but it doesn't rectify issues where a player has to rejoin due to corrupted packets or other miscellaneous issues.
rotund ivy
all those will get ironed out eventually
tender axle
Yeah i didn't see any minerals on my deep dives either, maybe they just don't spawn
fast veldt
@blissful matrix That's the downside to playing scout, you have no kill potential though you do have stall - IFGs, M1000 fear, Grappling hook
if you have to kill every enemy to complete objectives, scout is not the haz5 class for you I guess
glossy agate
How come I can join deep dive groups with my not promoted gunner?
fast veldt
Only need one promotion AFAIK
finite quarry
I've had a host who didn't load at all. Waited a good 10 minutes and then force quit
paper meteor
why did I only get one cosmetic item for completing elite dd for first time?
tribal ridge
because you get 1 mineral, 1 cosmetic. and 1 weapon overclock
elite and normal dd are seperate pools
wraith shard
0 exp and money for failing isnt pretty nice...
azure plume
I mean its supposed to be a endgame thingy hand holding is not something wel get
tender sierra
fresh imp
i'm in a mission right now to kill dreadnoughts and the last one was killed but we didn't get credit for it what do i do?
azure plume
my friend you are screwed
fresh imp
k
static swallow
Who pinged me
azure plume
i sure didnt
static swallow
I don't believe you
azure plume
too bad
static swallow
wait huh
static swallow
Yea?
azure plume
nothing i just pinged just cuz
azure plume
Sorry o had to
azure plume
Its okay here have a 
livid portal
So if I attempt a deep dive and fail on the 2nd, can I re-attempt the whole thing again for the cores I didnt get?
bold patio
Pretty sure you can run deep dives as many times as you want, no?
livid portal
But only get the rewards once a week for each dive?
bold patio
I think you get rewards everytime you run it
Have yet to run them more than once personally, but I've heard you get rewards more than once
livid portal
This is the part of the patchnotes that confuses me, plus I vaguely remember them saying it would be limited in attempts when they were first talking about it conceptually
"Each Deep Dive (Normal and Elite) will reward you with a random Matrix Core infused with a specific weapon Overclock. On top of this, you will get a weapon Overclock for completing the Weekly Core Hunt assignment. So in total, 3 weapon Overclocks per week."
bold patio
Perhaps further runs will not award additional overclocks? Not sure
stray pawn
you can play them as much as you want but only get rewards once
livid portal
Even if I only earn some in one I can still earn the rest in another attempt?
hollow iris
Should be able to
stray pawn
yes if you get the 1st reward and not the rest and retry and succeed you will get the 2nd and 3rd reward but nothing on the 1st stage
covert wadi
Do crafting minerals spawn on deep dives? I haven't seen any so far.
lean pebble
What do weapon overclocks give in reality?
harsh steppe
Bugs in #bug-discussion, please.
elder copper
Ey, just got me promotion, and have been preparing for my first deep dive, any advice?
rugged pecan
Prepare ur second screen to watch some movie, it's ez
rugged pecan
and that's great ^^
blissful matrix
well difficult and unfair are two separate things
true charm
yo, so any advice on second mission on elite deep dive ? I never got so rekt in my life on deep rock lol
charred shore
I'm having trouble finding people to deep dive in AUS
covert elk
ehh, almost completed deep dive and my friend crashed... then we ded
charred shore
ah cheers
jaunty basin
Tho no one is really on tonight
forest thunder
@brittle fractal this is the chat for deep dives, questions and general discussions
latent mango
Haven’t touched deep dives yet, what hazard level are they equivelant to?
latent mango
Aight
Well guess I’m not gonna touch elites for a while, I’ve never done haz 5 yet been too nervous to
iron cosmos
they are doable if you are on the top of your game.. and the others are too 😄
latent mango
That and I’ve only recently promoted a dwarf and I’ve seen a lot of people talking about kicking unprompted dwarves from haz 5
iron cosmos
because usually they havent played enough yet, to have all the right upgrade, skills, and just be able to handle themselves
latent mango
Oh yeah I’m not saying it’s unwarranted
latent mango
For example I don’t have vampire maxed yet cause I didn’t really realise how usueful it could be
iron cosmos
make a beeline for vampire and berzerker :p
those alone make day and dnight difference
latent mango
So I spread out my perk points on a lot of cheap ones to get to the 4th perk slot perk
Yeah I am at the moment
Need to get engi promoted
iron cosmos
to be fair the extra perk slot is also worth it :p;
latent mango
Yeah
iron cosmos
so good decisions there
latent mango
I’ve got vampire 4 atm and I forget what tier of berserker
Is the revive speed perk considered okay? I like running with it
I actually don’t remember what the other perk I use is?
Though iirc it’s generally something I float around depending on objective
Or cave leech awareness because fuck cave leeches
pastel summit
That isn't fun... they implemented a new ELITE Mission but don't have a chance to upgrade our armor? Or medikits or something...
crimson shale
whats the diff between a norm deep dive and the elite one?
rotund ivy
difficulty mostly
latent mango
Elite is at a harder difficulty
latent mango
Up above I was told normal is around 3-4 while elite is 5 or higher
In terms of hazard levels
crimson shale
ah i see
latent mango
Really depends on how the spawns are feeling that day though
burnt oasis
Revive speed is super clutch, and I'd say any class should take it. Iron will is the same. Never leave home without it. Vampire is also similar. People pooh-pooh on it, but it can be one of the few ways to keep your HP up. Combos incredibly with any form of CC, especially freeze. But you can also pluck a couple grunts off a lure or a pheromone. Just be careful when you're iron willed, since any HP gain brings you out of invincibilty but your cooldown is proc. But the cost is worth the gain.
Those are the only perks I'd say should go on all builds and classes regardless of your playstyle, since they're all game changers or clutch winners
latent mango
Oh right iron will I’ve maxed
I’m so used to having it I forgot about it
Probably gonna try my first deep dive when I get home
I don’t need to do them as a promoted dwarf right? Just have one promoted
Since I want to get my engi promoted but I’m not there yet
burnt oasis
You should probably refrain from taking anyone sub 25 into one, as despite them only being about hazard 4 they are all steeped with potentially difficult mutators
indigo jungle
iron will is a crutch, real miners don't die
it's definitely one of the better perks but too often wasted on classes that can't benefit from it
latent mango
I thought the last gear unlock was at 18/20 unless there’s other bonuses at each level?
indigo jungle
iron will is mostly good if you can actively secure your corpse, gunner and scout can
latent mango
A good grenade launcher blast to my feet or nearby usually works well enough at haz4ish on engi
I’d still say it’s useful as hell even if you just use it to move into a better spot or clear out some grunts
cold lark
iron will allows you to come back to life after you would usually just die
burnt oasis
It lets you survive and revive in impossible situations, or stagger over to a safer zone, or secure a buddy at the bottom of a pit that you jumped off of to revive them
green oxide
Yea, there needs to be like a 5 second immortality so you can either RUN, toss a shield or a grenade under yourself.
I usually toss a grenade under myself or a shield and then get a quick melee kill.
ember hull
Wait does a vampire kill revive you from iron will??
vale agate
Yep
ember hull
Holy shit I need vampire
proven raptor
Any form of healing does
cerulean magnet
Though it also immediately ends it as well, so you can immediately get downed if you are tagged after leeching a sliver of health
hybrid jackal
guys do you find elite dive too easy ?
Just tryed yesterday, normal is ok its normal. But elite i expected me dying or team. But we got one man down the hole elite part
latent mango
do deep dives have matchmaking?
vast locust
it shows open lobbies that hasnt launched yet
proud kayak
how was the third stage of elite deep dive?
hybrid jackal
same as all 3
elfin current
What do you get for completing secondary objectives in Deep Dive?
hybrid jackal
easy
burnt oasis
The vampire/iron will interaction is frustrating, but it's frankly needed for balance
Otherwise it'd be trivial to basically wade into a swarm, proc iron will, and come out with more HP then you entered with
latent mango
What are the objectives for the normal deep dive this week?
true charm
elite is impossible
15 tries
nothing
people die or disconnect or just dont shoot
was only able to go to second stage once
and got brutally murdered there
also, thsi last try the bug that kidnaps you got into the escape pod and got me and fly with me god knows where.....so yeah, thats a thing
green oxide
peak granite
1st one is extraction and morkite with mactera plague and rich atmoshpere
2nd is egg hunt and mule(?) with exploders
3rd is morkite and mules with no shields
true charm
git gud, its interesting how I always die last
green oxide
Also its a new patch... .expect bugs.
peak granite
if there's bugs just shoot them kappa
true charm
what if I shoot all 3000 rounds and my team still wasnt able to get any nitra or anything done ?
I main gunner btw
sorry for the rant I just flipped my shit with this last bug
wraith shard
Same expirience
2 elite stage is imposible in solo, but public is useless. Go get 3 more friends or forget about elite dives. 😦
true charm
hmm cool.....so thats it, 1 overclock a week ? cool
rotund ivy
if you shoot all your ammo and your team hasnt gotten nitra or anything done, then the team probably isnt ready for EDD
quasi sable
so....am i locked into my union now?
jaunty basin
@wraith shard people have solo elite dives
true charm
might as well go solo
wraith shard
@jaunty basin Cool. Glad 4 them. Not every player is that hardcore.
jaunty basin
You only have to finish the 2nd level as that one has the Overclock the 3rd is just a cosmetic
fringe kettle
It was doable yesterday probably since most of the folks playing were the more experienced players trying to try it out first.
jaunty basin
I waited for DD players but no one was on for Oceana servers
true charm
I am dissapointed, this was supposed to be endgame, or at least part of it.....but what I see is a weekly quest
shy patio
jaunty basin
Laughs in Auto cannon
exotic raven
Speaking of the autocannon, how do people feel about the big Bertha OC? Almost double damage is real nice but half mag size along with the other downsides makes it feel really meh.
wraith shard
Nevermind my previous messages. Actually elite dives is rather easy solo if u remain u stuff under control.
unborn nexus
@exotic raven it's not really worth it, since it's more of an anti-swarm gun more ammos is a must (at least in my opinion)
Or you can build your aut-canon to be a Automatic shotgun of death that will destroy everything in his path with full dice on damages and AOE and nothing in the rate of fire
livid portal
reee I want more overclocks I waited over 2 months for this now am too impatient for 5 more days! gib plox
livid portal
3-4 since if you get at least 2 cosmetic cores (in addition to the 3 wep cores) you will alternate between an extra cosmetic and an extra wep overclock from forge mastery
elfin current
I don't want to rant
But
People are terrible, that's all
A lot of people, are not ready for Elite Dive
They play anyway
cosmic vortex
:( Is there any guide to read to improve?
elfin current
Yes, but people don't use them
They don't sometimes even have basic understanding of dives
wraith shard
There are many on steme
elfin current
Like that you keep nitra
cosmic vortex
"Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others."
If someone's already done the research, there's no point in me reinventing the wheel
cosmic vortex
I don't mean the quote literally. I mean I'd rather not grind out different strategies when someone else already had tried it.
Sorry man, maybe not the best quote
fringe kettle
If the elite deep dives are going to be challenging, perhaps they should only be unlocked if someone has completed the haz 5 assignment in addition to completing a regular deep dive.
indigo jungle
that's not challenging that's gatekeeping
outer pasture
You could argue it is about consistency
I mean, we have to unlock haz 5
by beating haz 4
and since the end of edd is haz5+
it kinda makes sense
then again, i'd argue beating a dd is like beating haz 4 anyway
cerulean orbit
are the deep dive difficulty levels locked?
fringe kettle
they're based on seeds so for each week the levels will be identical.
indigo jungle
okay now I'm very confused and have a small memory but
can anyone confirm they've actually brought back minerals other than gold from deep dive?
tardy ferry
normal deep dives feel like hazard 3 at most, I was surprised at how easy it was
Glad to hear EDD is harder
livid portal
The hazard 5 requirement seems like a no brainer
heavy wraith
i know the missions will be the same for the week, but are the rewards each time you do it random?
cerulean magnet
Cores are random
heavy wraith
ok good
cerulean magnet
The core type is not
heavy wraith
time to hop back in then
buoyant token
You only get the rewards for doing it once per week
heavy wraith
oh ok lol
buoyant token
Other than XP & Gold, which you can still get
heavy wraith
got an engie beard and i dont even play engie so time to wait another week
cerulean magnet
Materials for stage one, weapon for stage 2, cosmetic for stage 3
buoyant token
You can get up to 8 cores a week
Plus 6 one time from the breach the core assignment
true charm
how do you get 8 cores
buoyant token
3 from each deep dive
Plus 2 from the weekly core hunt
You can get even more, from forge mastery too
true charm
where do you access weakly core hunt ?
buoyant token
1 core every 5 forged
heavy wraith
assignments
buoyant token
assignment terminal after completing the breach the core assignment
idle trellis
the deep dives are the same all week right? does that mean you can only get rewards from doing them once per week?
hollow iris
So the elite dive is complete BS on stage 2 yeah?
tribal ridge
Yeah
hollow iris
Spawn in on 2 spitballers a brood nest and tons of grunts and exploders?
tribal ridge
With the spifters l ao
Just sit inside the pod
And get your engi to gl the spitballers
feral atlas
don't just rush out of the drop pod immediately
cerulean magnet
Run out immediately, burst down the spitballer that is right there, take cover from the other while you deal with the explodere
Gunner bubble gets work done for that part
You just need to be coordinated
hollow iris
Burst down the first spitballer, shield ran out before next wave of sploders + the 2nd
cerulean magnet
Yeah, you have to take cover behind some stuff after the first baller
Don't just stand in place when the bubble is running out
hollow iris
WHAT cover?It spawns in a big empty room
fringe kettle
teammates
use teammates as lures while you deal with them
a good scout can avoid most of the stuff
true charm
actually drop pod does not function as safe zone in deep dives, I got captured by flying bugs many times, also took damge and got killed while inside
hollow iris
^
sick wren
Works fine for me, you still can be captured and stunned tho, but didn't take damage
indigo jungle
can anyone confirm they've actually brought back minerals other than gold from deep dive?
or is it only gold/nitra
hollow iris
Only from a hoarder, it doesn't spawn otherwise
cyan ether
There a list for new mods/weapons options?
indigo jungle
it's odd because I'm watching a vid and the dude has umanite but it's also experimental branch so
and I don't remember from yesterday
dull spruce
hey all
is it normal that doing a deep dive twice gives...nothing?
like no material pack, no cosmetics, no gun overclocks, nada?
it gives gold and XP, but I was still a little sad
foggy sentinel
You only get those rewards once per weekly rotation
dull spruce
damn
are the rewards for the elite and non-elite kept seperate?
or do you just choose one?
foggy sentinel
They're separate
dull spruce
are they generated randomly, and then chosen by the DRG team or something? Or are the maps made entirely by hand?
foggy sentinel
Completing Elite after beating regular basically doubles the rewards for the week
Now that I can't answer. I'd probably guess they gen up a few random caves and maybe they pick the coolest ones to put into the Dives, but it could be all automatic
tribal ridge
the dives use a set seed, so they are the same every time
tender axle
The wiki says that crafting mats don't spawn on deep dives and i haven't seen any either
safe to say it's just gold and nitra
hollow iris
Alright, stayed in the pod in elite stage 2, rollers kept hitting us anyway
Another half hour wasted
Almost lost at the end of stage 1 cuz 4 grabbers spawned and kept taking us out of the pod through the walls
foggy sentinel
I found elite stage 2 much more difficult than stage 3
dapper cove
stage 3 was a crazy hell for me. I was stuck in a tiny hole during a whole swarm with a engi. We made it alive thatnsk to the allies cover but it was so freaking close
indigo jungle
I posted a feedback thread about current state of deep dives
https://old.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/da6gfg/indepth_heh_feedback_on_deep_dives_and/
(can anyone see it in new btw?)
rotund ivy
shows up as deleted
indigo jungle
huh
rotund ivy
im assuming you wrote a big block of text?
indigo jungle
yes
indigo jungle
well fuck, do I just pm a mod
rotund ivy
you could
twin summit
grabbed a cargo crate and finished mission but cant find the skin i got anywhere. what gives?
hollow iris
Did you actually hit E on it?
rotund ivy
do you remember which weapon it was for
twin summit
nope but i checked all of them and nothing
hit e on it as well
everyone else in the lobby is having the same issue
restarted game and it showed up now
rotund ivy
thats good
cerulean magnet
I appreciate the stage order for the elite deep dive this week
The first stage can be completed really quickly so you aren't punished for losing stage 2 very much
kindred rapids
are deep dives too easy for two players at the moment?
tender axle
Some people say deep dives are a cakewalk and some people say they're impossible, honestly it's a combination of how you perceive difficult... and how the spawns feel on that day
kindred rapids
ok so more of the usual RNGesus stuff.
bleak sierra
is there a place where I can check if the weekly cap is lifted?
indigo jungle
there's a huge gap in difficulty due to modifiers
you can sometimes have no red modifier at all vs having no shields
bleak sierra
@tribal ridge I can do normal deep dives for loot, infinitely?
tribal ridge
for credits and xp
not matrix cores
matrix cores are capped to 3 per dive
so 3 for normal, 3 for elite, and 2 from assignment
wise sphinx
Isn't mods the same on dd though
ember scarab
Can I just say that the Salvage Mission for the 3rd Stage of the Exposed Fury Deep Dive is amazing?
wraith shard
Deep Dive elite is hard. Even for dudes who were with me at like level 200 and up.
ember scarab
Having a drop pod and objectives in the middle of a big cavern instead of the usual little nook adds so much.
kindred rapids
awesome. i need an asskicking anyway
knotty rampart
doing deep dives if anyone wants to join. need driller
wise sphinx
Elite dd feels about the same as haz5 managed to complete it with lv 20- 70 with ease
amber plover
The elite Deep Dive is hard and I LOVE IT
its been a long time since DRG has challenged me
wise sphinx
Do we have damage and speed valves to compare to haz5 yet
amber plover
Gonna have to ask the developers about that one.
wise sphinx
How did EDD give you a challenge if you find haz 5 easy?
amber plover
I haven't played in a while so I've lost a lot of my game knowledge.
I've never really found hazard 5 easy, it's always kept me on my toes
rotund ivy
the new haz levels are on the wiki. regular DD appears to be 3 and 3.5; EDD appears to be 4.5, 5, 5.5
sick wren
That's interesting to know
rotund ivy
whether what mission uses what hazard is undetermined
buoyant token
Could be check by modifying values
Special Enemy Encounter Chance in particular
As if you set that to 1 then BET-C will always spawn on that hazard
woeful moat
Hello, some dwarves for a deep dive ?
untold sun
knotty flint
So, stage 3 of the elite deep-dive.
Shield Disruption. Is a fox hole the best option to survive waves?
woeful moat
Alright
edgy sleet
Fox hole is almost always a great option, but i've found a lack of coordination can absolutely wipe your entire team
indigo jungle
fox hole is all fun and games until a cluster grenades bounces off the helmet of a fellow dwarf
plain flint
need a box with beer for deep dive 2nd and 3rd cave. no one wanna play deep dive with fresh head
exeptin' leaf lovers)
waxen dawn
Hoo boy elite deep dives are tense. Fun but good lord me and my 
friend were on our toes a lot.
placid drift
I've only attempted the elite dive twice so far, and stage 2 is the run killer
pure portal
wait till you get to 3
placid drift
Stage 1 isn't too bad, its just going through the motions and avoiding mactera spit
and getting two supplies worth of nitra
stage 2 though
pure portal
stage 3 is haz 5 shield disruption
placid drift
yikes
placid drift
Any strategies for stage 2 though, aside from spamming LURE
pure portal
but it was intense
placid drift
Couldn't get past the first room
pure portal
what was stage 2 xd?
placid drift
2 spitballers and a nexus
exploder infestation
the ballers are literally infront of the pod
pure portal
oh right make sure you're refilled before going in
placid drift
and then theres 2 breeders down the road
rotund ivy
yeah you gotta be quick
placid drift
I'm wondering if bringing 2 turrets with instead of 1 would be better for surviving stage 2
rotund ivy
no doubt it
torn horizon
Aren elite deep dives just harder then normal?
rotund ivy
generally
torn horizon
I did the normal one with another Gunner, it was pretty easy
I had expected more of a challenge, so I hope elite gives mt that
*me
torn horizon
Hmm, maybe i should unlock level 5 haz and try them out
Level 4 is a challaenge
2/3 isn't to tough
rotund ivy
yeah the increased spawn rates might get you
dull spruce
oh that's cool
host disbanded while I was opening a pack of jadis from a core
it ate my core but didn't give the jadis
nice
didn't need that at all
livid portal
Anyone else open all 8 wep cores day one and now is going through major withdrawal waiting for the next 4, next week?
tender axle
lol, on my elite dive i spent half of the 2nd floor running around with 5 hp and no ammo, ended up just doing the objectives while my team shot stuff
the 3rd floor wasn't too bad, it seemed like i got extra hp that basically just replaced my shield? i'm not sure if that's normal
i walked out of 2nd floor with almost no hp then came out with like half
feral atlas
Eh, feels easier to me.
frail mountain
Does anyone want to do a deep dive with me? I've yet to complete any of it. Dx
frail mountain
sure 😄
covert heath
alright, sit tight and I'll poke you when I get out of all this sand
frail mountain
Shall i host and wait or jsut wait? 😄
feral atlas
Given that all the dives share the same seed, I assume the enemy welcoming party on stage 2 of elite is the same each time?
vocal bronze
the exact spawns are random, but there's always the two spitballers and a brood nexus just hanging out
you get swarmed soon after by random crap
long blaze
Vietnam flashbacks of stage 2 intensify
feral atlas
or is the mutator random too?
pure portal
detonator infestation when?
feral atlas
it honestly wasn't that bad
vocal bronze
Rich Atmosphere/Mactera Plague
Exploder Infestation
Shield Disruption
feral atlas
we did it first try with scout/gunner/engi
with randoms
Gunner stayed in the pod, we set up the sentry in the pod door
and I ran out and threw mines around and led the grunts like the pied piper
pure portal
we did it second time cuz we got suprised at the stage 2 start I had no ammo others died so I needed to run around wait for ammo drop ressuply and somwhat kill all the stuff and hel ppl but stupid spitter sniped me god I hate them
feral atlas
eh, we survived stage 2 rather well: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/762721615406859704/0BE272C3AAAF48F3FD181A901C45E5644B606491/
vocal bronze
I just brought a cryo cannon and froze the spitters/nexus
feral atlas
I think driller is actually probably the least necessary of the 4 for the deep dive
given the nerf to the epc
you probably want engi first, then scout, then gunner
otherwise you get overwhelmed by bad jelly spawns
feral atlas
Meh, as long as it works.
pure portal
I dont know I never liked the EPC ppl say its great for clearing trash when you have literally primary for that and c4 driller struggles with specials and tanky enemies subata is great for that and now they buffed it and its even better it melts
and I dont have any overclock for it yet
imagine with that what it can do
vocal bronze
I mean, pre-nerf, the EPC's charged attack was literally a better PGL grenade that had ten times the ammo
You can't understate how stupid that is
pure portal
maybe I didnt use it didnt like it
feral atlas
EPC was a mini BFG
pure portal
also didnt like PLG nerf
vocal bronze
yeah it was broken as fuck
pure portal
with that random ass upgrade that I still domt understand what it does
vocal bronze
The PGL honestly barely got nerfed
Using it for direct damage was always a mistake
No matter what
pure portal
what it does the 4th I think upgrade you get 80%-140% damage on PLG so it means you get only 40 more and can hit less or 140% cuz I dont get it xd
vocal bronze
Yeah tbh that upgrade wasn't necessary
Damage at tier 2 lets you hit the necessary breakpoints for haz 5 grunts
And lets you maximize your AoE hard
slate pine
whew that stage 2 of elite is a dousy, first room is easier with 3 or less instead of 4
pure portal
so can you hit below your 100% damage or its only upside ranging for 80% damage incerase to 140%
explain that upgrade to me xd
Im not a fan of RNG
feral atlas
yeah, that upgrade is bad
feral atlas
you trade consistency for RNG and occasional overkill
vocal bronze
You just take Tape and Nails at that tier now
pure portal
Well I kinda dont want to without it slashers can survive and I want them dead instantly
they can mess you up
naive geode
i just completed a deep dive with my friend
vocal bronze
My PGL build is 12221
vocal bronze
Yes, but it won't kill Slashers all the time
You trade being able to kill Slashers some of the time for not being able to kill Grunts all of the time
feral atlas
i usually use 12221 or 12222
pure portal
thats why Im salty about this nerf
vocal bronze
And the latter is far worse
feral atlas
sometimes flame rounds if it's mactera plague
naive geode
theyre not too bad, at least the normal one this week. although im sure thats just 2 person missions being busted balance wise
pure portal
so Im asking can it lower your damage or is it only upside
feral atlas
prox tigger for mactera plague
vocal bronze
it can absolutely lower your damage
pure portal
but I doubt it can incerase your damage by 140% if RNGesus bleses you
feral atlas
you deal anywhere from 80% to 140% of normal damage
pure portal
I dunno I thought it was flat incerase
feral atlas
granted, the upgrade is dumb
pure portal
maybe Im dumb maybe I misread
feral atlas
did you really think they would add an upgrade that, at worst, was a flat 80% damage increase?
pure portal
xD
yea kinda stupid
so nails and tape it is then and I hope there is damage incerase overclock
so I can 1 shot slashers again
feral atlas
what's the slasher breakpoint?
rotund ivy
pure portal
yea * sorry
vocal bronze
You can run Fat Boy if you wanted
pure portal
radiation?
vocal bronze
yeah
If you take all ammo with fat boy, you end up with 8 total again
1 in the gun, 7 reserve
And with 440 damage, uh
nuff said really
Then you have the radiation field for crowd control and lingering damage after that
rotund ivy
no if you take all ammo, you have 4 in reserve
vocal bronze
?
rotund ivy
its a 0.3x multiplier for ammo
vocal bronze
does it halve ammo gain as well?
thats fucking stupid, damnit
Micro Flechettes on the BRT does that for damage as well
Really makes a lot of these OCs feel like they're not worth taking
rotund ivy
a lot of mods and OCs are scaling
rotund ivy
Micro flechettes are alright
The nuke is more for fun
Then having any actual practicality
vocal bronze
feral atlas
just did a second edd, 0 downs this time
yeah, they need to make these harder
double mutator :3
pure portal
I want double mutator
also Haunted Cave gives 30% hazard and I myself think its piss easy
feral atlas
haunted cave isn't hard; it's just that the optimal strat is boring
pure portal
not only 1 bulk but you can see him ot he map constantly
feral atlas
one guy leads around the bulk like a chalid
pure portal
unless they changed that
tawny steppe
Cryo cannon with Ice Storm OC owns
15 damage for barely any freezing power
But it's perfect against grunt swarms because a "shot" can hit multiple enemies in a small AoE
Or you go up to 18 damage for 400 ammo instead of 550
slim dove
How are Elite Deep Dives different to regular Deep Dives?
slim dove
Don't regular Deep Dives have a chance to range from Haz 3 - 5
dreamy stirrup
I dont know, but this week deep dive seems to be hazard 3 with insane amounts of nitra, so even easier than hazard 3
tawny steppe
gonna try doing elite dive solo with redrock buff as gunner
buoyant token
Elite Deep Dives may be 4.5 - 5 - 5.5
burnt sandal
since I'm playing mostly haz 3, I'm not sure I can get into the EDD
I can play haz 4 for sure but dunno about haz 5
tawny steppe
You have bosco
burnt sandal
not sure I can make it without being a huge dead weight
tawny steppe
Remember that bosco can dig out eggs and other wall minerals and carry them to you
As long as you keep your distance and aim for weakspots, you should be fine
Remember that you should call the droppod as soon as you can, because gold doesn't pay you anything and crafting minerals don't exist
(Cargo, error and Bitter included)
indigo jungle
alright I finally posted my Deep Dive wall of text: https://old.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/dae1rx/indepth_feedback_about_deep_dives/
burnt sandal
I kinda like your suggestions and agree with most of those
tawny steppe
This game has no restraint wit those jellyfish shits
burnt sandal
?
viral crater
Is the overclock random?
burnt sandal
yes
jade jasper
i was really looking forward to trying these with my friend but we have two classes at 20 and 21 :(
dapper cove
Good luck to you miner, try to not die too slowly
ripe trellis
am i the only one experiencing the sudden lag that last for 2-3 seconds after the latest update?
naive geode
i dont think dd is haz 3
burnt sandal
made it to the 2nd
where the enldless wave of exploders finally got us
Normal Deep Dive are haz 3
naive geode
what makes you say that
burnt sandal
new difficulty level
starting out at 3.5
to 5.5
that makes me think that the regular starting difficulty for Deep Dive is 3
naive geode
yeah that makes a bit more sense
because some of the later ones i felt it did more damage than haz 4
proven viper
Also deep dives have enemies with better stats no matter what.
even if its just a haz 3
buoyant token
I don't think that's the case
delicate valve
You can get minerals on a deep dive if it spawns a Huuli Hoarder, which are on the spawn list for at least one stage of the normal deep dive this week. Came back with some Bismor from killing it.
lusty salmon
how does deep dive joining work?
when i wanted to join every mission was grey
and the one that wasn't greyed out it failed to join
and no one is joining my mission either
wise sphinx
Use the big orange terminal and wait
And make sure the dwarf you're using is promoted
lusty salmon
all mine are promoted
pure portal
you cant join mid sesion
lusty salmon
ah
I noticed that the loading screen shows the depth going down
so i guess it's depth to next stage and not total depth
patent pendant
Honest question. How do I know if I'm the bottleneck? Because I've attempted the deep dive six times with random people, and we fail the mission every time. Is it me?
lusty salmon
Do you go down the most?
patent pendant
Nope!
Though, it's pretty easy to avoid that as the scout.
So, my guilt complex kicks in and I think, "Am I the problem?"
lusty salmon
are you lighting and kiting?
opal mica
thats when you goad enemies arround
lusty salmon
^
alpine parrot
Staying mobile when big enemies are after you.
opal mica
like, you lead them in circles and occupy their time
patent pendant
Hell yeah! I love to grab enemy attention and zipline around. I didn't know there was a term for that.
lusty salmon
Probably aint you then
unless you are litterally team killing
but i just solo'd a deep dive
patent pendant
That's a relief. I actually popped into the Discord to try to find a team. Maybe I'll try soloing. I just really like playing on a team.
burnt sandal
If you want
I can help you going through the deep dive with randos
randoms*
I've finished both deep dives so I can probably help a bit
@patent pendant I will probably be able to help you this evening if you want
gusty ermine
I've only done the first one so far, but I can't help but feel the whole experience was a little underwhelming?
having the two objectives was okay, and it was nice they were a little different to the normal missions, but outside of that the thing felt emptier since there were no other minerals available, chests don't spawn, etc.
the two main objectives made the missions even easier though, compared to the normal secondary objectives
also not receiving XP for kills or minerals mined makes the deep dives a lot less valuable outside of the matrix cores
wraith shard
🤔
Idk i don't really look at XP since all my dwarves are pronoted
And minerals are also not that valuable
Not running out
stray escarp
deep dives are really only for overclocks. Devs even mentioned somewhere they aren't here to replace normal gameplay
burnt sandal
Also
they are not complete yet
since half of the update is coming with the update n°26 basically
patent pendant
@burnt sandal That would be awesome. Just let me know when you're on or if you want to add me on Steam or whatever.
gusty ermine
I have >1000 of most minerals and have all dwarves promoted at least once (and up until buying loads of cosmetics from cores recently, ample Gold)
doesn't change the fact that the missions themselves felt kinda empty and dull
as much as I want to earn the overclocks, I don't want to commit to doing boring missions every week to get them
burnt sandal
Still, deep dives aren't complete
bitter saddle
So, I have a question about deep dives. Does a dwarf have to be promoted to be involved? I'd like to do one with friends but none of mine who have the game have reached 25 yet.
burnt sandal
New objectives and new enemies are coming along the way I believe
@bitter saddle yes, the dwarf has to be promoted
jaunty basin
@bitter saddle idk I think you could get away with it if you hosted and they were in your party already
They wouldn't be able to use the terminal to join a deep dive tho
burnt sandal
@jaunty basin tried it with a friend recently and I couldn't launch the deep dive 'cause they were not promoted
So unless it's inconsistent/bugged, I guess it's the same for everyone ?
bitter saddle
Welp, looks like I'll be playing more with them, then.
Not a bad thing but we've never been able to get our schedules to line up all that well for it.
jaunty basin
Well there you go myth busted
burnt sandal
Nah, I wouldn't say for sure
It's just my experience
but the update is rather buggy so....
jaunty basin
@bitter saddle well they can always join randoms if they don't like solo play
To lvl up
balmy sinew
Do deep-dives scale to the amount of players doing them?
burnt sandal
Yep
balmy sinew
Neat.
Because pubbing triggers me with idiots spamming resupply calls on the first stage, just.... Why?
wraith shard
So if you do the same deep dive twice, would you get two cores or is it a once per dive thing?
shadow depot
Developers, thanks for last update!
This update is totally awfull, ruined game balance and added new annoying bugs.
I was fan of DRG, but today I dropped it from my steam account because it rage quit me and become impossible to play with shitty mechanics.
wraith shard
👀
I thought those often stay to shit a little more
But okay
@wraith shard you only receive the rewards once
That's what I was thinking, thanks. My friend was convinced it you got the rewards multiple times.
harsh mountain
i legitimately don't really notice any new bugs, the only thing that really has me kinda bummed was how gutted EPC got, but i suppose it had it coming
acoustic raft
ah
tender axle
Ehhh, there's definitely been more crashes than update 25 and the optimization could use some work but they fixed most of the major problems in the hotfixes
harsh mountain
i guess the blackscreen of crash did happen to me, but yeah they hotfixed a lot of stuff it seems-
acoustic raft
saying optimize something is easier said than done
tender axle
I'm not saying they need to optimize the entire game now, cause if they did and then started adding new stuff it would probably just revert back, not saying they're incompetent
And besides they chose to make a game right? Doesn't matter if it's easier said than done that's what they picked
balmy sinew
Basically it's less "optimize everything to perfection" and more "optimize things so people don't have crashes or the game lags hard"
No?
tender axle
Exactly, doesn't matter how good the game is, if nobody can play it. Obviously you need to draw a line between usability and perfection though
harsh mountain
stage 1 don't die and get as much nitra as you can rush obj
Stage 2 don't leave the pod
stage 3: pick a god and pray
edgy star
What's on phase 3?
harsh mountain
shield disruption and morkite
andm inimule
not that big of a deal tbh
it's just hazard 5.5
elder shoal
edgy star
Don't shame me
edgy star
I keep getting gang banged by those electric jellyfish and frozen in place
feral atlas
stage 2 requires a gunner to throw a shield out the gate, and focus the spitballers
engi turrets should cover the jellis
edgy star
Perhaps if I listen to "All Star" at 100% while trying to do the dive I'll win
remote pelican
That advice for stage 2 is good. I just did my first elite dive attempt and hoo boy, that was brutal
feral atlas
basically for this week's EDD, you need a good gunner + a semi competent engi
edgy star
I've tried and failed at least 5 times now
Every time I try to res people when the pod has arrived they run away from it
feral atlas
yes
harsh mountain
driller just isn't needed in this map gen
remote pelican
My team got to 2/4 eggs and both mini mules before dying miserably to the 2nd egg swarm
harsh mountain
sincei t's pretty open
feral atlas
driller is only useful for moving dirt
remote pelican
I guess driller isn't the best in this one. EPC nerf made me lose a ton of CC and direct damage
feral atlas
best comp is either 2 gunner + engi + scout or 2 engi + gunner + scout
1 of each is okay
but you absolutely need an experienced gunner
remote pelican
So assuming you guys are experienced with this, which turret is better, single or double?
I only play driller and gunner, so I haven't gotten a feeling for it
harsh mountain
i'm inclined to say single cause it's more ammo efficent
but i'm not an engy main.
i think most engys i see use single though
feral atlas
either
harsh mountain
probably preference
remote pelican
My friend who plays engie complains that they nerfed the detection radius on the turret again
feral atlas
for this EDD, the only job of the engi is to deal with the jellies
I don't care if it kills nothign else
If you don't get kill counts >500, you're slacking
remote pelican
Hm. Noted.
Man, I'm concerned that with the emphasis on combat driller's gonna be underused in EDD's.
fleet bloom
strongest class combat-wise gonna be underused?
remote pelican
I always figured that was gunner
harsh mountain
gunner shields are god
but uh
Driller usage is probably going to fluctuate the most cause it really depends on map gen
so far it seems that maps in DDs are actaully
not that scuffed
and pretty good
so driller's probably not the best.
maybe if there's a shit ton of trash and no mactera-
feral atlas
driller is a swarmer specialist
and depending on how you mod your minigun, gunner is nearly always more consitent in performance
remote pelican
I've been using the ice storm augment on my cryo, it's DPS is insane now but I feel like I'm missing the point because I barely freeze anything, let alone the dreads. Really missing using my flamer and its direct damage explosions when shockers start flooding in
feral atlas
but seriously, driller isn't all that important for this EDD
granted, we've been "persuading" the noobs to take driller
feral atlas
but I'm been killing more as gunner
harsh mountain
but damn +8 dps
yeah as a driller main i felt
really bad trying to do EDD with people cause i know Driller isn't that great for EDD
but i wanted stage 2 weapon mod
( i don't have gunner promoted yet)
feral atlas
rip
harsh mountain
i probably should, since i imagine they're relatively evergreen
remote pelican
I've gotten my driller to gold 1 now, but I've realized it was a horrible mistake to grind up to gold 1 only doing haz 3-4. I have almost no haz 5 experience and I felt that in the EDD.
feral atlas
hm, doesn't seem to display
remote pelican
I can't click it either
feral atlas
generally, if you play haz5 normally
or are a freak like me, and play haz5 shield disrupt because he likes it
the only semi difficult part is stage 2
I would argue stage 3 is easier than stage 1
because of the cave structure
and lack of mactera
harsh mountain
yeah i think stage 3 is easier then 2, even though i died on 3
spawning on 2 stinger 1 brood nexus and a breeder
isn 't fun
feral atlas
which is why gunner needs to throw a shield out the gate and focus them
fleet bloom
spawns are different every time if i got it correct, so, it depends
remote pelican
I just feel like there's still a lot for me to learn. I know a lot of movement tech and ways to be efficient with driller now, but since I play haz 5 so rarely I don't have methods to deal with the insane grunt damage
harsh mountain
the 3rd stages pretty normal, just haz 5 shield disrupt with the potential to be on low hp just cause stage 2 is trash
feral atlas
which is why you need a fully upgraded gunner
no
preplaced spawns are identical each time
I've gone through this 4 times now, they are identical
harsh mountain
preplaced spawns are always identical
feral atlas
right down to where that cave leech spawns
feral atlas
grabbiest cave leech I've seen
feral atlas
got the reach the size of texas
harsh mountain
(i don't actually know)
remote pelican
Any specific tips you guys have on playing gunner well?
feral atlas
Play TF2 and learn how to not get crushed in pubs while playing heavy.
harsh mountain
learn how to aim
remote pelican
I guess playing heavy would teach me a lot
harsh mountain
heavy will teach you to get yelled at and switch to a better cla-
remote pelican
I mean I can aim well in DRG. Not in shooters like counter strike or something
feral atlas
well, it's not really that hard to learn
every time you die, you made a mistake
recognize that mistake, and don't do it again
harsh mountain
but yeah gunner's pretty basic in that you don't need to learn anything special, just you usual positioning and awareness
feral atlas
and knowing when to run
fringe kettle
In my experience don't drag between targets while holding down LMB, release it. If you just hold it you're wasting ammo and building heat. Even for half a second if you release it you're removing heat. Effectively you're firing longer.
harsh mountain
well yeah that's just somethng you should always do, don't fire useless bullets, there's a spin down timer for a reason lol
if you really wanna keep your gun spun up, learn how to fire 1 bullet every 3s or whatever the spindown timer is
same concept as puffing with the flame thrower
(well you don't really puff in this game in particular but)
remote pelican
yeah I found that puffing is really ineffective in this game
harsh mountain
the existance of a proc bar does that
sticky flame/ground fire also seems
kinda ineffective imo
but that's mostly cause i'm a littl e used to KF2 which is instant sticky flame
remote pelican
I just notice that puffing doesn't seem to apply any ground fire. You have to hold it or the singular flame particles don't do anything.
harsh mountain
yeah
i kinda main freezethrower just cause i think it feels better then fire
(also shatter)
feral atlas
don't think this will help that much, but here's footage of one of the times I did haz5 elim solo with gunner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzdkiPG_6rQ
half of it only though
recording cut out, and I was mainly hoping to get footage of a drop pod spawn bug, which I did
feral atlas
mini
remote pelican
As far as I can tell minigun is still far ahead in DPS
seems like the autocannon is very ammo efficient though.
maybe that's just me.
remote pelican
God I wouldn't mind playing other classes if digging through some rocks didn't take 3 swings. tunnelling upwards is just painful.
harsh mountain
it'd be cool if there was an airburst oc i guess
remote pelican
as much as I love combining zerker and vampire, I really miss driller's pickaxe speed upgrade
harsh mountain
i still don't get why drills can't mine minerals
elfin current
@remote pelican One thing that most Gunners and Drillers don't do is to jump backwards and fire only when in the air, if you hold down the fire button, you are slowed down, but if you move backwards first and then jump, you move at regular speed even when firing (while in the air), you can use this to move at regular speed even with the mod that prevents you from moving but gives you more dmg (minigun). There is some dps drop, but you get more survivability.
remote pelican
I mean they can now in an indirect way. Drill out the rock behind a vein and it all pops out. I haven't tested it but it might be faster for 2-hit ores
I've tried jumping and meleeing with driller, but the timing was rather specific
feral atlas
That's basically TF2 rev jumping
harsh mountain
it also applies to the m1000 for engineer
(which is why hoverclock is a meme)
not engineer scout
dero
covert heath
Sigh. six attempts at the regular deep dive so far. Attempt 1 fails due to everyone quitting at once as trolls and laughing at me. 2 has two people leave due to crashes. 3 has 2 people leave to ragequits. 4 refuses to do classes other than scout and they leave mid game. 5 fails to steam crash. 6 gets 2 bulks at the final part of mission 3.
fringe kettle
regular you say? PM me an invite and I'll join in
covert heath
Sent
harsh mountain
@covert heath do you need another player?
covert heath
Attempt 7 has two people drop at the start of mission 1. That's it, I'm taking a break.
harsh mountain
rip
covert heath
Maybe latter radish, it hasn't been kind as of late. heh
fringe kettle
I'm thinking maybe there ought to be penalties for leaving a deep dive since no one else can join in progress games.
covert heath
-goes to work on his three D&D groups since his fourth TPKd yesterday- time for a change of scenery.
zinc sail
ughh the elite mission is toughh, stage 2 is actually manageable after the spawning chaos but stage 3 me and my crew got blasted by a swarm of grunts
My question is, is the swarm being a grunt specific swarm a scripted event in related to the seed or is it just always random?
tender axle
my team of pubs just bum rushed it and we won lol
bronze wadi
what's the hazard lvl of normal deep dive?
tender axle
well other than the second stage
zinc sail
so we just were extremely unlucky to be in a pretty small place with a massive grunt wave coming
regular wave would've been easier imo
harsh mountain
3/3.5/4
rotund ivy
theres no 4 in regular DD
bronze wadi
is the map and enemy placements always the same?
patent pendant
@covert heath It seems like you're dealing with similar bullshit as me. Just made attempt 7 as a duo. That one failed because of my own mistake (getting cave-leeched while trying to stop my partner from getting cave-leeched), but it's still rough to have to do so many attempts when I previously considered myself decent at the game.
covert heath
Yeah, it's one of those days. I'll try again later tonight. I've got the first two maps memorized by now
raven fable
hey
can you play a deep dives with a 0-star character if you have at least one other promoted?
wooden gust
I thought that was the case because yesterday I Was playing with two friends who don't have any promotions and I was given the option of starting a deepdive. I didn't start it to test that out though, unfortunately.
nova elk
If I play deep dives again with my friend who hasn't done them yet but I have do I get any loot? Like crafting materials or gold wise
rotund ivy
you get everything from the DD except for core rewards
tender axle
crafting mats don't spawn in dives but you get the gold
nova elk
So I'll mostly be doing it to be nice then eh lol
wraith gull
hey guys, did any1 got an overclock for the bulldog on gunner?
fringe kettle
Elephant Rounds
+45 Damage
-12 Max Ammo
+150% Recoil
+100% Spread Per Shot
rotund ivy
its x2 damage
wraith gull
That was the Clean, Balanced, Unstable or some else?
wraith gull
Yeah, please link it to me
wraith shard
if you leave a deep dive can you rejoin the same server
bleak pine
Did the devs ever mention why deep dives dont have crafting minerals spawn?
harsh mountain
probably because the seeds are preset every time?
they don't want people routing super fast crafting routes or something
idk
harsh mountain
it's for speed runs
that's what #deep-dive-speedrunning is-
yeah i was a little bummed that it was preseeded but
eh
i understand it might be nice to like
do some actual speedrunning in routing
opaque parrot
rng deep dives is scary
brittle relic
I like it for elite deep dives
opaque parrot
its nice that every week everyone's gonna find the optimal strat for this week's lol
brittle relic
I'm still salty bc I got kicked from an elite deep dive bc I wasn't "killing enough as a gunner" Despite the fact I singlehandedly took down a jellyfish breeder, a spawner, a swarm of exploders, and a swarm of regular glyphids.
but I guess that's "not enough" for the dude that got more kills since he killed swarmers and nothing else
opaque parrot
ye kills shouldnt matter as long as youre actively doing your thing to help the team
nova elk
Maybe someone should suggest more stats on the end screen to show other things players did during the session that are helpful
opaque parrot
ye
e.g
Most big boi glyphid kills
Most damage to a single target
Shield absorbed damage
Metres traveled on a zipline
nova elk
I mean why not? I personally love huge stat screens
wheat token
What difficulty levels is an Elite DD?
nova elk
I thought it was 4-4-5.5
wheat token
Somebody said it's 3-4-5
rotund ivy
its 4.5 / 5 / 5.5
nova elk
oh no that's scarier
proven viper
whats next 6?
rotund ivy
yes it does
nova elk
it exists for this mode specifically to make it harder
harsh mountain
but uh
wheat token
somebody edit the files to make it 6/6/6
harsh mountain
i think the only difference between 3 and 3.5 is like
peak maple
lol
harsh mountain
spawn rates
nova elk
Spooky
peak maple
I don't think the game knows how to treat that
harsh mountain
rpobably the same for 5
rotund ivy
the hazard stats are up on the wiki
harsh mountain
oh thanks spirit!
wheat token
Does DD difficulty scale to player count?
rotund ivy
yeah
harsh mountain
yeah.
nova elk
yeah
harsh mountain
iirc duo scaling is the same as single scaling
cause of bosco
and 3 and 4 are a pretty big jump
covert heath
Time to give this another shot. You wanna tag along radish?
covert heath
scout main, occasional driller or engie, gunners can go burn
frozen wren
(every gunner main just sitting in a corner.) "what did you just say?"
rotund ivy
its not the same but not a big difference