Just a quick image edit.
#wiki-related-chatroom
weary sonnet
weary sonnet
ok, I’ll try that one to see how it goes.
glacial topaz
wouldn't freeze go on the left ?
glacial valve
well, which is unlocked first
weary sonnet
burn is unlocked first
glacial topaz
based on the number line / graphs, which is like 0 in the middle, negative numbers on the left, and positives to the right
weary sonnet
Is it better that way?
No matter which side we deceide to put heat or cold, just talking about the vertical split.
north quiver
yeah looks really good
weary sonnet
Typo fixed, template should be active already.
proud cargo
Icon and/or colour for heat and cold on the infobox?
Also links to sections on the status page?
weary sonnet
I could link the burn and freeze, the other doesn’t really have anything to link to until we get a temperature page.
As for the color I can add them, but not sure if it’d really help.
Do you mean like a background or text color?
proud cargo
Yes.
Either works, I'd say. Just needs to be set up right
Might even be able to do a template that autmatically links + colours some things (like damage-types)
glacial valve
I agree with your suggestions FGF
weary sonnet
Do you like any of theses?
glacial topaz
colors are nice, I imagined some symbols, but that is more work
weary sonnet
For the background the text is barely readable unless I use some very dark color, so it tend to clash a lot with a red / blue.
For symbol we could use the on fire / frozen icons.
We have the cold/heat icon that could be colored as well.
weary sonnet
staying with that king of things for now then?
glacial valve
i am pretty hyped about this stuff, it will be a strong move towards a more comprehensive wiki
as far as i'm concerned that last image is the best, with the colored text and icon
if we make the icon clickable and link to the info about heat/cold, that might be convenient.
weary sonnet
For now we don’t have any temperature page afaik, I’ll have to make one.
I mean we just got all temperature values yesterday.
weary sonnet
Maybe like 1/4 of them at best
glacial topaz
so listing all the sources of temperature change / effects ?
glacial valve
and linking those to that page
weary sonnet
And explaining what each temperature parameter do, for one of them I don’t even know for now.
glacial valve
i think it will be good if people get good access to the info about this, it will help their general knowledge of the game mechanics
weary sonnet
Changes are live.
shell frigate
Looks good
weary sonnet
Trying to align te icon and text, it bug me that they are slighly off.
For the variants, do we keep them as they are now? (sub category of anything that is different)
Or do we make a variant part near the end with a sub part for anything different?
glacial topaz
how would the latter look like ?
weary sonnet
Former1 Combat 1.1 Health and Armor 1.2 Attacks 1.2.1 Glacial Strata Variant 1.2.2 Radioactive Exclusion Zone Variant 2 Temperature 2.1 Glacial Strata Variant 2.2 Radioactive Exclusion Zone Variant 3 Tips 4 Gallery
Later
1.1 Health and Armor
1.2 Attacks
2 Temperature
3 Glacial Strata Variant
3.1 Attacks
3.2 Temperature
4 Radioactive Exclusion Zone Variant
4.1 Attacks
4.2 Temperature
5 Tips
6 Gallery```so I am guessing health and armor wouldn't include weakness for glacial / radiocative, trying to see which one someone trying to find info would prefer
weary sonnet
Added another for now fictive temperature categorie to better show the difference.
Weakness should be directly in the infobox so there should be no need to put it in the page again.
shell frigate
Did try align the temperature icons
weary sonnet
They don’t want to be aligned it seems.
shell frigate
It's a bit better now but still a bit off
weary sonnet
So Cyrob, your thoughts about the 3 pending questions on the individual creature page?
shell frigate
On the Armour I was looking into seeing if it was possible to embed a model viewer for it
weary sonnet
Oh that’d be great if we can do that.
So for armor it’s option 4, go beyond all the rest, if we can’t we will try something more modest.
shell frigate
Well after looking into it more it can be done
But well, even the best way is not the best
Would need to be done with something like a sketchfab embed using iframes
But that would have a global <10K view limit a month for all models
And would need express permission from GSG to host the stuff for it there
weary sonnet
Since the creatures pages are pretty popular not sure it’s a good idea to do that then.
glacial valve
especially if they are going to be edited a lot
weary sonnet
The number of view you posted on the other channel is on how much time?
shell frigate
Past 30 days
weary sonnet
I think it’s a bit risky then if we need < 10K view for all creatures.
glacial valve
it's possible to create animated gifs from desktop recording, right
shell frigate
Huh someone is trying to make a cargo crate box page in Russian
glacial valve
hah
wary cove
👀 Russian wiki when
shell frigate
Yeah, though best make .mp4s
weary sonnet
Yes I can make gifs or webm recording from that, the main problem would be to make sure that all of them are similar.
shell frigate
When there is enough translated pages for Gamepedia to say so
weary sonnet
Isn’t webm handled better than mp4? I know it’s usually lighter, but not sure what works better on a wiki.
shell frigate
There is not a major difference between the two
So either is far better than gif
though webm's filesize tends to be marginally smaller than mp4
glacial valve
is there a good player for vids on gamepedia these days?
shell frigate
I think it uses the html5 built in browser player
glacial valve
OK, cool
i vaguely remember it being a thing on another gamepedia i worked on, but that's a couple years back
also -- which page is live, the praetorian?
shell frigate
I guess you could still have a custom one
glacial valve
OH MAN
this is exactly what i wanted to see
also with the variant tabs
great work
weary sonnet
Still a few things subject to change but most of it is here, the point I’m not sure about:
How to display variants differences, armor and temperature data.
https://discordapp.com/channels/257785731072786435/453469452097421315/714165216048578671
glacial valve
OK I have another thing. I think the numbers on the stat blocks for the attacks/health need fixed column widths/more consistent formatting and straightening out of the numbers
weary sonnet
You mean in the attack tables?
glacial valve
yes
weary sonnet
I think the best way would be to impose a certain width in px for all numbered cells then.
glacial valve
shell frigate
Yeah that would be good
weary sonnet
I’ll try with 40px
shell frigate
It's still all based on the quickly thrown together table I made when it was only used on 1 page
weary sonnet
Yeah, I modified it completly but it’s based on that.
glacial valve
yes, and also it would help a lot for readability if the numbers were properly aligned vertically.
shell frigate
Such a change certainly would improve it
glacial valve
hey i think this is already great stuff :D
i like how complete and slick this looks
the whole format of it
glacial valve
well, not exactly. alignment on the dot would be best
but that's a lot of work. i know from experience 😐
weary sonnet
Not sure how to do that on a wiki.
glacial valve
manually.
so i do not recommend it
i ended up using 2 columns with an invisible divider
weary sonnet
Well values are not hardcoded, it’s all formulas so manually is not an option here.
weary sonnet
We could split the number afterward and put each part on the side of an invisible cell probably
glacial valve
oh, automate that part you mean?
weary sonnet
yes
glacial valve
also possibly a good idea to differentiate the values from the player number
weary sonnet
using an explode like cyrob did for the updated template, not sure how that works exactly, but that should be doable.
glacial valve
because they all use the same bold font and color
weary sonnet
The question is: is it worth the pain?
weary sonnet
glacial valve
if you make it brighter shade of white for those player numbers
(or darker)
great work @shell frigate
weary sonnet
This is what i got with a fix 40px wide cell.
shell frigate
Unfortunately I don't think there is a way to set everything to have the same number of decimal places (other than 0)
glacial valve
yes, it's a pain.
shell frigate
That would be a quick fix
weary sonnet
Didn’t see any formating tool for the wiki yet.
glacial valve
so i think that the fixed 40px width is the best solution now
weary sonnet
Other than custom js.
shell frigate
Actually it may be possible to hack in consistent decimal places, just the code won't be pretty
glacial valve
(as in what does Interval do there)
shell frigate
Time between when you take damage
weary sonnet
Assuming 2 decimal maximum, 37px should be the maximum cell width.
So I’m going with that for now.
shell frigate
Will look into making a hack for decimal places
glacial valve
Is melee damage the same as kinetic?
proud cargo
Better at breaking armour iIrc
weary sonnet
Depend what you mean.
shell frigate
The questions I've yet to answer;
-Armour: A Video in the armour section I think would be best, but made so that the thumbnail of it works as a image for it
A nice addition would be also marking the level of armour and weak points etc. but that is quite a bit of video editing so no one should go out of their way for such
-Variants: Having a Subsection for each variant is best IMO then can link directly to it if people want a certain variant even if it's only saying this is just X be coloured different and spawns only in this biome etc.
I would say special variants should be done differently, E.g. we have the cursite creatures all subsections on a page dedicated to the event (though could have a small subsection on the creature page about it too)
-Temperature: I like how it currently is with the infobox, If I can figure out a nice way to do my bar idea, I'll give it a try but any extra data would be nice to have on the page somewhere
weary sonnet
Can you make the template work with an unknown damage value?
Ok so option 2 for variant ie not the one we are using now.
glacial valve
@shell frigate I think those are answers, not questions. and good ones
shell frigate
Well they answers to questions I was meant to answer a few hours back
glacial valve
so other than the kursite variants, and the climate variants, which other "special variants" are there?
weary sonnet
Well I mean we need to get a full template at some point or at least to know where we are going so we can start filling up the pages.
Thanks for the answers.
shell frigate
On variants For the page layout for having it set by variant or type (attacks, etc.) Doing it by types will most likely look neater so I'm happy with either
Ebonite would be the other special variants
glacial valve
ah right
weary sonnet
I got the example here for the 2 ideas of variants so far:
https://discordapp.com/channels/257785731072786435/453469452097421315/714213038529577002
For now the first one is used.
glacial valve
i gotta say this is shaping up to be a good template.
shell frigate
Since they are more related to their machine event than their source creature it would fit better being on the event page
Though they could all still be on the main creature page
glacial valve
I don't think a smattering of full stat blocks on an event page would make it easier to read ?
weary sonnet
So for variants we are moving onto option N°2 if I got it correctly?
shell frigate
I'm happy on either, your choice
weary sonnet
I think like a database so I’m not the good person to choose between the 2.
shell frigate
Well Wikis are Databases :P
But both have their good points so there is not a wrong choice, No2. gives all the info on a variant in one place for if people want just that but won't be a good looking /neater as No.1 can be (No.1 also limits duplicate info)
shell frigate
I miss numbered them
glacial valve
yeah, i read that into it x)
linked from another page to a subsection where all the info is, works well I think.
weary sonnet
Ok so going for N°2 we will need to rewrite some of the text so all variant related info is in the variant part, to be more logical.
Well with that we got our full template I think!
shell frigate
There can be some duplicated info
There are things like newspaper rules where you give a basic outline in the first few sentences and as you get further in the article is does more passes over it giving more detail each time
glacial valve
hmmm wait a second-- can't we use the same tabs for variants' data tables as used in the top right infobox?
anyhow
i am impressed with the speed of the proceedings 😄
weary sonnet
It can be a pain to set up though.
shell frigate
If on a template it really will be
glacial valve
ahhh
i see
that's why i thought i'd bring it up now, rather than later. that makes sense though
shell frigate
Should not to bad to use it on a page to compress things like attacks into one
If we want to though is a different question
weary sonnet
Easier way to use them would be something like:
tab1 = template1 tab2 = template 2…
Otherwise using tabber inside a template can be a lot harder.
shell frigate
Yeah may be best to limit usage of it to things like that
Unless we think it would really add something
weary sonnet
One easy way to use it that’d add something and be easier than the alternative:
Showing 3-4 views of the creature model instead of a vid.
This way adding annotation and such would be way easier if we want to.
shell frigate
Yeah that may be better than a video
glacial valve
Good idea
shell frigate
Well I'm going to try make a template to round things to a set number of decimal places (even if it's more than it currently has)
So I can keep the ugly to that template
weary sonnet
Do you see any easy way to replace numbers by nothing if we don’t have the attack damage?
shell frigate
I guess I could build the rounding template to export something like - if it's given a non-number
glacial topaz
any way to make it clear the value is not know ? not sure if it can give the wrong idea
shell frigate
Well I could have it give anything even Unknown but that might break the table
Only other thing would be a bit of a big change to the table to be a big unknown cell
weary sonnet
I can do that by adding a if on each line, not sure if your solution is heavier or not.
shell frigate
Well it's best to have anyway to avoid it pumping out these
glacial topaz
I was more thinking something like, when you mouse over, it says "value is being researched" , or just "unkown"
weary sonnet
Trying to do that.
shell frigate
Well this rounding hack works but I'll hard code it at 2 decimal places at most for now
weary sonnet
shell frigate
Works well
weary sonnet
Value for the damage must be "Unknown" for it to work, it’s added in the documentation.
glacial topaz
would "some other word" Cloud work better ? since glacial variant also releases a cloud, just of a different type
weary sonnet
I used Gas Cloud an Cold Cloud in this case to match the damage type.
shell frigate
Made a template: {{Round|42|2}} -> 42.00, {{Round|42|1}} -> 42.0, {{Round|42.5|0}} or {{Round|42.5}} -> 43
shell frigate
It works but its causing extra spacing
glacial topaz
not sure if it is clear, but about shields, if a source of damage would take 25 HP points, it also takes 25 Shield points ?
gentle ether
The unions on xbox or going to be on xbox?
wary cove
Unlikely
hollow jasper
@shell frigate Fixed.
It was the linebreak between the comment at the top, and <IncludeOnly>
simple void
weary sonnet
@ Omega Sentinel If you mean dwarf shields, health and shield absorb exactly the same quantity of damage no matter the damage type (except lack of O₂).
glacial valve
btw
gamepedia staff is very helpful, for helldivers we've had someone from gamepedia join that discord
if it's known who from gamepedia is their contact for the DRG wiki, we could reach out.
On the Helldivers gamepedia, the initial Gamepedia staffer wasn't active on there anymore, so someone else took it over and then we got a lot done quickly
they also use slack
weary sonnet
I think the gamepedia staff is OOeyes, he isn’t on this server, but he always answer quickly.
glacial valve
excellent
glad to hear
so where are we at with the templates? I have time later today to swap the creature pages over to the new design
I will probably need some pointers at some point
could be fun to ask DRG-chat for good "you should know this tip" style info for some of the more stubby creature pages
weary sonnet
I still need to move the variants to get them in a separate section in the end (and adapt the texts in consequence).
And I’ll add some pics from ueviewer using tabber to showcase 3-4 views of the creature so we can better show its armor location.
I think it’s all we are missing.
weary sonnet
I’m supposed to work for now, so I’ll do that in 3-4h, but I can answer questions if you have some.
Feel free to work’ on the page on your side if you want to.
glacial valve
also
has a choice been made between british/american spelling?
armor/armour, dwarfs/dwarves
i see both
proud cargo
US-american. Unless they translate the game change it how it is in-game.
On that note, gib style guide page
weary sonnet
If you mean the current model for individual creature page it’s the praetorian page:
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glyphid_Praetorian
glacial valve
OK i did some work on the health template
so I propose using colored letters to reflect the hazard level color
weary sonnet
There is 7 sub health templates, 4 of them are used on the main creature page, 4 on the individual page, so one is shared (the neutral creature one).
glacial valve
for the Haz Level headers
i figured something like that, so i took a look at the uncategorized templates. so I edited:
Template:Creature Health ExtraLarge
Template:Creature Health Large
Template:Creature Health Normal
weary sonnet
Theses are only used on the individual pages so you picked the good one.
The mini one are used on the main creature page.
glacial valve
weary sonnet
Even the mini could use some fix cell width at least, I’ll add that later.
I’ll try to simplify the health template at some point, being split in 8 is too much.
glacial valve
i think this serves 2 purposes, differentiate the values in the template from the headers, and the colors are the exact hex values of the hazard icons 👼
I could also use the icons but I think this is clear enough
weary sonnet
Icons would be overkill in that case.
glacial valve
I would like to see the Player Count numbers 1-4 also be more visually distinct
yes
i agree
weary sonnet
Icon could be good for player count on the other hand: replace both the number and player count by 1 to 4 icon of a person.
glacial valve
ahhhh
OK that's clever
I'll take a look at what's there in the GUI that could be appropriated
glacial topaz
I mentioned it more in case someone wanted to know and didn't understand what shield numbers meant in the wiki
glacial topaz
wouldn't just "Health" do the job ?
also, any plans to include enemy specific quotes on the pages ? I see that quotes page is a stub
glacial valve
Well, I like to open a wikipedia page with a relevant quote
*gamepedia
so i'm for it
usually eHP (effective HP) is a combination of armor value, as a multiplier with health/shields or something
I don't know how it's defined exactly for DRG so it could be an option. @weary sonnet ?
glacial topaz
on DRG foes have multiple defense points, so that would just be confusing probably
glacial valve
that's why I'm not sure what it means here
I just did a bit of reformatting the table
glacial topaz
pretty sure it would be HP points without any weakness or defences
weary sonnet
eHP is used in this case because enemy HP is the same no mattert he difficulty.
Their resistance increases or decreases instead with hazard level and number of players.
glacial valve
did some edits to attacks template.
looking for input on player icon shown in screenshot above
is it OK?
weary sonnet
I find it harder to read, but I have a pretty bad sight.
glacial valve
OK, thanks
I can make the icons the same color as the table lines
with black letters
glacial topaz
I think i am confused with that explanation since it sounds like HP never changes and instead it is the weak point damage that changes
glacial valve
weak point damage is just a multiplier for the regular damage right
weary sonnet
The weakpoint doesn’t change either, it’s the global damage resistace of each creature that changes.
glacial valve
yeah figured
weary sonnet
And there is 4 different scaling depending on what category the creature belong to:
No scaling for neutrals (lotbugs and the like).
Scaling only on hazard level: most wave enemies like grunts, swarmers, mactera spawn.
Scaling on hazard and number of players: most specials and praets.
Boss scalling: hazard and number of player but slighly different than the above.
They are the one called Simple, Normal, Large, ExtraLarge in the health template respectively.
How about using icons like that for the player count?
glacial topaz
no numbers ?
analog rock
Clearer if no numbers, but there might be the occasional guy that does not understand.
weary sonnet
We could display 1/2/3/4 players as a mouseover I think.
This icon is from the steam store single player / coop game so not sure we can use this one exactly, it was more to set an example.
Well creating something similar from scratch shouldn’t be too hard.
glacial topaz
could be made with the dwarf models in mind , if you can make it clear it represents 1-4 players
analog rock
There might be the case of people mistaking ther number of players with number of x class in mission
glacial topaz
I just meant not so human like
glacial valve
glacial topaz
you can even use pickaxes as a symbol
glacial valve
I considered that, but I'd rather just keep it as unambiguous as possible
glacial topaz
on another note, is the Karl page full of speculation because there is not enough information to make a page with a decent size ?
glacial valve
yes
fixed, cheers
you can also click "edit" (top right) and fix it yourself, no account needed
but I'm happy to catch typos through discord as well
boom, tidied up creature attack template a bit more to work correctly with Unknown Damage placeholder texts.
Not sure why the gas cloud boxes are larger than the other attacks
glacial topaz
interval / duration difference ?
weary sonnet
It’s because of the full damage radius, it makes the first column wider.
glacial valve
what about if we turn it into "Full damage" | 2m radius
"Falloff" | 3.5m radius
eh i guess this works too
weary sonnet
I kept theses names to be consistant with the Area Damage page.
The most important thing is to make sure people understand what the 2 radius means, no matter how we call them and that we keep the same notation everywhere on the wiki.
So far the new notation is only in this page and on one weapon page.
glacial topaz
could add mouse over information, images, or link to a page explaning it
weary sonnet
This is the page in question, if you have a better name for the 2 radius, feel free to change them, just let me know so I know what to call them and I can update the templates that use it.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Area_Damage
In game variables they are called respectively:
MaxDamageRadius
DamageRadius
MinDamagePct
glacial valve
Okay then I propose we keep it like this
If we decide to change it later on, I'll go in and bash out the code myself if needed
weary sonnet
The radius that display in game in DamagRadius, the one I call Falloff Radius since it’s the area in which you deal less damage.
glacial topaz
so there is not a big area where you get the minimum value ?
weary sonnet
The minimum damage value is only on a sphere at the extreme limit of the Falloff radius.
By default it’s 25% of the damage displayed in game, but most weapon got another multiplayer for that.
So it’s:
Max damage inside the smaller radius.
Min damage at the max distance of the bigger radius.
Damage scale linearly between the 2 radius.
glacial topaz
so something like this ? not sure I know a good word to use for the bigger circle / radius
weary sonnet
It’d be like this for a weapon with a damage falloff=40%.
shell frigate
Something like that would be a nice visual
glacial topaz
if it would to be added for the different aoe damage sources glyphids could be used as size reference point
glacial valve
good visual
perhaps use a gradient if applicable
yes
a glyphid size reference would be great
a black silhouette, top down?
glacial topaz
front makes more sense, since you throw things facing them, so that is how you see it
weary sonnet
Pretty sure the guys working on karl aleardy got this kind of graphs for most weapon with some sort of grunt density simulation.
glacial valve
man
grunt density simulation
that's a great band name
weary sonnet
Just checked, only one radius was displayed, but the damage was calculated per increment of 0.1 m and over 40 grunts were put there to check the damage they would take on a PGL test.
glacial topaz
btw, I am checking the HE granade page , and I guess it is on the todo list to add all the other numbers, but just want to point out that , isn't "damage radius: 4.3" lacking units ?
proud cargo
Allmost certainly metres, I'd say.
weary sonnet
With all the changes on U29 and 30, pretty much all weapons pages will need to be redone entierely, we try to fix any error that is reported, but for the global rework I’ll check them after creatures / temperature probably.
And well you can see how much work there can be for just one creature page.
glacial topaz
hmm, if only I could see the todo list so I had an idea if something was forgotten
weary sonnet
I can only tell you mine.
Main perk page, Individual perk page, main creature page, Armor page, Area damage page all done
To do: individual creatures, Temperature.
Check and rework hazard page, health page
Do a spawn condition page per mission.
Weapon individual page rework.
I think the accessory page need some work, I’m not going to do that one. Same for the machine event.
mystic sequoia
Hey, I wanted to fill in some missing Mission Control *oggs on the wiki. I only know one way to do this - to play the game and isolate MCs voice. In the Audio options, it even looks possible, as you have a separate Mission Control slider, but I noticed that even with that and master volume on 200%, you cant really hear him. I noticed that all of the volume is tied to the sound effects volume (which I obviously dont want in a pure recordings. My question is - is there a different way to separate Mission Control's voice other than recording him in game?
shell frigate
Umodel should be able to extract the sounds from the game files
mystic sequoia
Will look into it, appreciated
weary sonnet
What kind of view would you like for the armor showcase? Beside the sideview.
Front / Rear / Top or something more in between?
proud cargo
Maybe also depends on the creature?
For a grunt just top + bottom would likely be enough, considering you see everything from there on it
weary sonnet
If we focus on showing armor location mostly, the I’d say front to be clear the mouth isn’t armored, side a bit on the backbecause we see most of the armor.
mystic sequoia
Focusing on armor only, that sounds about right
mystic sequoia
Looks good
glacial valve
OK, I can take a look at accessory and machine event pages
weary sonnet
Added the armor image to the preat page.
glacial valve
OK I would say add a header describing what I'm looking at.
can we display it next to the health scaling?
weary sonnet
The only problem is that the tabs won’t follow so we need to deciede on the max width of the image first.
Now it’s 400px, is it enough?
glacial valve
I say definitely enough
and i'll see how it renders on my phone for example
we could letterbox the armor images that are <400px height
to preserve vertical consistency
weary sonnet
The image was bigger than 400px, I set it to 400px max while displaying it.
glacial valve
ah gotcha, then just have the armor images at the same horiz/vert dimensions
(ratio)
weary sonnet
Original sizes are 856x764 and 977x658
Keeping the ratio won’t be easy unless we keep some empty invisible space around.
With how the export from umodel works.
glacial valve
yeah, i understand. well, if you'd care to send me the armor images I can do that for you.
I'm thinking mainly how it'll render on mobile, with the rest of the page going up and down when the tabs are clicked.
just tested, that is happening
weary sonnet
I may be able to fix it just by adding an option on the image display.
glacial valve
that is convenient
weary sonnet
It just completly ignores the resizing the changes in height when inside a tabber for some reasons.
shell frigate
Huh that is odd
weary sonnet
Either that or there is a typo I don’t see in what I’m typing.
shell frigate
I assume it's not live
Setting it to 300 Max height did seem to work, though covered over the infobox
weary sonnet
Trying to force a 300x300 box with a centered image.
Or even 400x404, but we will need a new css class for that.
shell frigate
Though setting max width and height to be 300 fixes that, but it would be indistinguishable from just setting width due to the images be more wide than high
weary sonnet
Well now setting the sizes work for me, guess I just needed to restart my browser.
glacial topaz
one thing that is missing, about regenerative bugs, do all bugs, after x seconds , recover a flat ammount of HP per second, or is it a % of the Max HP, or even, is it affected by hazard level / player count
weary sonnet
Still not sure on how te set up a box with a centered image so it display well on mobile. If it isn’t possible I’ll just edit the image to make them all a perfect square.
I have no idea for regenerative bugs.
shell frigate
[{
"export_type": "BlueprintGeneratedClass",
"export_id": 0
}, {
"export_type": "Default__BlueprintGeneratedClass",
"export_id": 0,
"StatusEffects": ["BlueprintGeneratedClass"],
"ApplyEffectsInterval": {
"Min": 1.0,
"Max": 1.0
},
"GameplayTagQuery": {
"TagDictionary": [{
"TagName": "Mutators.PreventRegeneration"
}
],
"QueryTokenStream": [0, 1, 5, 1, 3, 1, 0],
"AutoDescription": " ALL( NONE( Mutators.PreventRegeneration ) )"
}
}, {
"export_type": "HealingStatusEffectItem",
"export_id": 2,
"NoDamageTimeRequired": 3.0,
"PawnAffliction": "PAF_Regeneration",
"Amount": {
"Min": 0.05,
"Max": 0.05
}
}
]
Guess it could be 5% of max hp
weary sonnet
It may be affected by hazard level but look like it’s percent based then.
glacial topaz
should be easy to be tested with large enemies, waiting 3 seconds, and seeing how much hp it recovers given the hp bar
oh. true, at least the variables should stay the same
shell frigate
Applies every second
weary sonnet
@glacial valve does it still pose a problem on mobile with the current display?
(If it’s still a problem I got some perfect squared image ready.)
mystic sequoia
What was the issue?
weary sonnet
Going from one tab to the next for the armor view what making the whole page scroll up/down I think.
mystic sequoia
I can confirm that does not happen
weary sonnet
Ah good then, the page is almost complete.
mystic sequoia
The Native W10 audio player does that thing where it cuts a little bit of the audio at the ends right?
weary sonnet
No idea, I din’t use the native windown player in the last 15 years or so.
mystic sequoia
I was worried I was extracting incomplete audio snippets, Audacity confirmed that the w10 player is shite
shell frigate
Not surprising, pretty sure last time they tried to make good built-in apps they got sued for it
weary sonnet
The only descent app I know from them is vs code.
shell frigate
Glad to hear other than that you got the audio extracted just fine
mystic sequoia
Lol really
shell frigate
Well VS Code is something you have to install
weary sonnet
Native apps are something you uninstill if you can.
shell frigate
True
It just caused monopoly complaints the last time, so now the good things you have to install yourself
weary sonnet
Should I include the sentences like
Creature's damage resistance changes depending on the Hazard Level, player count does affect the resistance.
Directly in the health template?
Since they’ll get repeted on every creature page.
With some little variations.
mystic sequoia
I remember seeing this on the Swarmer page, which made no sense as swarmers don't have resistance
shell frigate
Maybe as a hover over
mystic sequoia
But elsewhere, it could work
weary sonnet
Well in fact enemies don’t have more hp when you go in a higher hazard, instead they have a higher global damage resistance.
shell frigate
Though would say player count can/could affect since it does not for all creatures
weary sonnet
Well it’d be the variation I was talking about.
mystic sequoia
That makes so much more sense when you actually explain it, yeah
shell frigate
With those variants seems good
weary sonnet
Simple:
The creature's damage resistance doesn’t change depending on the Hazard Level or player count.
Normal
The creature's damage resistance changes depending on the Hazard Level. Player count doesn't affect the resistance.
Large
The creature's damage resistance changes depending on the Hazard Level and player count doesn't affect the resistance.
Extra Large
The creature's damage resistance changes depending on the Hazard Level and player count doesn't affect the resistance.
Do you see any way to simplify the health template btw?
8 template seems a bit overkill for that.
Too much repetition at least.
shell frigate
It probably could be compressed down into one template, it just would be very messy
weary sonnet
I didn’t mean reducing it to one template necessarily, more like maybe keeping several but making it so that text and css/visual change could be on one or two template only instead of 3 to 7
shell frigate
Yeah that's fair, it was not designed as the most maintainable
weary sonnet
Well I’ll give it a look if you don’t want to do it, but I don’t think I’ll have time for that before the next weekend. And since I know you tend to be pretty good with templates.
shell frigate
Yeah I will give it a try
proud cargo
Why's the TOC above the lead section on the Praet page?
weary sonnet
I’m the culprit, I though it looked weird being underneath it after I moved the other section since there was a big blank just after it.
Is it supposed to be under the intro all the time?
proud cargo
That's the default layout. Anything else you are meant to have a reason for, I believe. Much like on Wikipedia.
Gives you a nice summary/TL;DR at the top before the actual in-depth content starts.
weary sonnet
I think the reason it bugs me is because the lead section is way too long.
So it looked weirder than on other articles.
proud cargo
Wouldn't say "way" too long. Maybe a bit, considering it's not a huge article
weary sonnet
Put the TOC back in it’s place, still had to include it manually since there is a clear after the creature infobox (to avoid collision with the armor section below).
mystic sequoia
Where does one upload the audio files? Do I just plop them into the Source Editor?
Nevermind, got it!
weary sonnet
One of the questions that was brought up earlier:
should we change the terminology for area damage?
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Area_Damage
Currently it’s:
Full damage radius
variable name: MaxDamageRadius
Falloff radius
variable name: DamageRadius
in game name: Radius
Damage falloff
variable name: MinDamagePct
I just finished the Praetorian page btw.
glacial topaz
wouldn't a "Damage Range" work ? and then you explain the max value is used for anything within the max damage range, and that after that point it scales from max value to the minimum value
weary sonnet
All of theses are radiuses, except the last one who is a part of the base area damage.
I feel like Damage Range feel like a damage value, not a range / radius value.
Updated the health templates to add the info text, added the color code for hazard level on the one where it was missing.
glacial valve
nice! i love where the page is going
weary sonnet
Trying to make some examples for the area damage, based on actual weapon.
weary sonnet
The blank is because of a clear I placed just before the combat part, you can try to remove it, but then the infobox will go on the right of the praet armor image.
glacial valve
oh but that is workable. if you make a table with the template for HP in the left cell and the armor image in the right cell
i remember this from the Helldivers gamepedia
weary sonnet
If you got a better solution, feel free to try it.
glacial valve
but I don't know how that would work on mobile though
weary sonnet
I tend to use only half a screen when browsing so the blank is pretty small for me.
glacial valve
I'll brainstorm on it a bit
also general thoughts on the page as it stands. be back in a bit
weary sonnet
Well that page is made for that, that’s why we made that one entierely before any other after all.
glacial valve
yeah, I know. just been focused on a specific part of it so far. i'm highly interested in the spawn mechanics info btw
weary sonnet
The info I got on spawn is partial, if you got specific questions, feel free to ask, but the answer isn’t guarantee.
glacial valve
well, in general, how does the game decide when to spawn enemies, or big waves
shell frigate
Other than the big blank the page looks really good
glacial valve
and do they spawn in patterns?
glacial valve
are there player actions which influence the timer/intervals?
shell frigate
And on spawn Praetorians have a haz dependent change to become Oppressors
weary sonnet
Big waves all have a mission specific reason/trigger/limit.
shell frigate
Player impact is limited to pushing the button and mining eggs
glacial valve
are there things which permanently up the amount of enemies spawning, like triggering mission extract does?
so i will avoid those hehe
weary sonnet
Dying on a minimule make almost infinite spawns.
glacial valve
bug?
weary sonnet
I hope
glacial valve
feature.
weary sonnet
Last time it happened I got about 250 bugs in 3 min.
shell frigate
Oh yeah first time you go near a mini-mule it spawns a group of enemies
Guess dying by one triggers that over and over
weary sonnet
On mule mission, no spaws unless you’re near a mule, being near 2 mules at a time can increase the spawn significantly, so avoid it unless you can fix the mules quickly.
shell frigate
There is a spawn cap of 60 normal 60 swarmers, if more spawn they do like to suddenly despawn some, can be rarely be seen if you split up at Haz 5
glacial valve
that is an effing golden tip
weary sonnet
On egg hunt, the number of swarm is limited to 1 swarm + 1 small wave/mission length.
glacial valve
and there's a delay before spawning starts?
shell frigate
Yeah always is
Which is why enemies sometimes spawn on you
They planed to spawn before you got there
weary sonnet
There is a limit to the number on the number of disruptive enemies that can spawn, so if you see a bomber stuck somewhere, you may want to leave it alone.
mystic sequoia
It's nice to make changes and see that they work.
weary sonnet
Trying to get a model with real values for the area damage, is this one visually good enough?
Or should I change some of the colors / backgrounds.
mystic sequoia
It looks good enough, though it will clash a lot with the overall wiki appearance
shell frigate
I would say a colour change should be done
weary sonnet
The base is svg, so I can change it anyway i want.
shell frigate
Try it with more pastel kind of colours e.g. #E84B27 for the centre, maybe something around #E59937 for the outer ring
weary sonnet
glacial topaz
thinking about the color of the numbers, and if using a pizza slice model would do the same job, while allowing for the numbers and positions to be displayed better
example
shell frigate
I just wanted to cut down on the amount of image that was not really used, Which the Pizza slice does also
shell frigate
As then you can have the numbers be larger
glacial valve
i do think we need to have the scale displayed?
i think the slice is an elegant solution
weary sonnet
My idea was to use 2 graphs for comparison using the PGL values, base values and with all radius mods and/or a typical build to showcase how it affects the scaling.
glacial valve
is it possible to have the variants' attacks use the infobox style tabs as well, and give them all their own full set of attacks?
right now it requires scrolling up and down to get the full set
just a suggestion!
re: graphs, that is a good idea. it will improve the general knowledge about game mechanics for the reader
and i am always in favor of that
weary sonnet
1 > no since if it was an infobox it’d be float right and we don’t want that
But doing some css to get closer would be great
As for displaying all attacks we could but that’d add some info dupplication on the page.
This is the only reason I avoided it.
shell frigate
Graphs of some builds would be a nice addition for PGL and such
mystic sequoia
Ghost ship should keep their files organized. For the life of me, I cannot find some of Mission Control's voice lines (but, y'know, they're obviously there, since we wouldn't have them in game)
Or well, they can do whatever they want with their files, just needed something to complain about
shell frigate
I though they were all under \Audio\Characters\Voices\MissionControlFX
mystic sequoia
That is a nice and clear path yes, but then you have this mess:
Where do you think they'd store the mission briefing voice lines?
shell frigate
Yeah organized by when it was recorded
mystic sequoia
I suppose it's the easiest way
shell frigate
Luckily the names are good
mystic sequoia
Sorry, I just get frustrated by, for example, 'Mission Briefings' containing only this:
Yeah, the names are pretty straightforward
Oh, I might've found the missing quotes. Must confirm. I might have a severe case of the blind
shell frigate
You could dump them all in one folder then do your own organizing of them
mystic sequoia
I DID do that, but incorrectly
There's just loose, unorganized files in the MissionControlIFX
And I just kinda... looked over those
mystic sequoia
Yay 
Yes, those were indeed the missing files. Fun fact Mining Expedition briefing's file is called MissionBegin_collectGold
shell frigate
It was originally the goal I believe
mystic sequoia
I though originally Gold was intended to be used for ordering resupply pods
shell frigate
That is was
mystic sequoia
Not sure how I can confirm this, so I'll ask for opinions. Do y'all think these lines are Point Extraction specific?
mystic sequoia
Good eyes
I'd say it's fair to say the last one fits there as well - I'll trust the person who added those
Actually, file names confirm it. More blindness from me
shell frigate
No worries, We have all been blind before
mystic sequoia
I found this file. It's listed as 'Unused' on the wiki, and yet it's in the files. I haven't found any other Unused audio files. Does anybody recall hearing this in their game recently?
weary sonnet
I recall hearing it, but not recently.
mystic sequoia
Simplest would be to go run a few Mining Expeditions I suppose
weary sonnet
Trying to get cold radiance stats atm, I can launch a couple mining mission after that.
mystic sequoia
I'm on it, dw
weary sonnet
Do you guys see any aoe ability on the cryo cannon other than cold radiance, snowball and icespear?
If not I got the stats for cold radiance.
Here are cold radance stats:
Damage: 60
Damage Class: Cold
Full damage radius: 3 m
Falloff radius: 4 m
Falloff damage: 25%
twilit dove
is there anything on the wiki that explains what these little ship icons with number next to them are (circled in green crayon)?
proud cargo
Number of sessions
mystic sequoia
If it's on the wiki? I'll look around
I suppose not, since there's no 'map' entry
twilit dove
thanks! I took a look, didn't see anything, and wasn't clear to me what that icon & number was indicating.
mystic sequoia
I've ran 10 games of Mining Expedition, didn't get that voice line once.
shell frigate
Guess that it is unused then
shell frigate
There is always more
weary sonnet
That was really Cold Radiance damage, I added it on the wiki and updated snowball damage as well.
shell frigate
Good to know
mystic sequoia
Does anybody recall hearing "Hang in there, Drop Pod is en route. " in their recent games?
mystic sequoia
Damn, I can't find it. I found 4 other that were not listed on the wiki, but not this one. Ah well
There used to be a way to play the tutorial, right? I can't find it anywhere
analog rock
Are you looking for the lines when the button is pressed, or when the MULE is leaving for the pod ?
And the tutorial should be playable from the escape menu , iIrc
mystic sequoia
I'm looking for when the button is pressed
And I'll look, thanks
Indeed it is, found it
analog rock
Here are all the lines in the game, for the button press
If there are more types of lines you need, just ask.
mystic sequoia
Then the aforementioned "Hang in there, Drop Pod is en route." is a false entry. Thanks!
mystic sequoia
One would think the names of the files would indicate that at least a little bit. Will reorganize
analog rock
I have these : #. SourceLocation: /Game/Character/Shouts/MissionControl/MissionObjective/Shout_Mission_PointExtractionSendingInDroppod.Shout_Mission_PointExtractionSendingInDroppod.Entries(1).Entries.Text
mystic sequoia
Oh bloody hell, there's a whole one extra folder filled with MC quotes. I wouldn't have even looked for that. Though I assume most of them will be duplicates.
Thanks for pointing me there
analog rock
Just ask if you need more info, we have all of the lines on the translation platform
mystic sequoia
For whatever reason, I seem to be unable to extract from /Game/Character/Shouts/MissionControl/
Since you offered @analog rock, could you please check what voice lines happen during the Tutorial sequence? I have 5 name TutInstr. TutorialQuotaMet happens at the end too, though I can't find it in my extracts
weary sonnet
Dumping some other new data here, too lazy to update them now, I’ll do it tomorrow:
Target Explode:
Damage type: Fire + Heat
Area Damage: 55
Full damage radius: 0.5 m
Falloff radius: 3 m
Damage falloff: 25%
FriendlyFireModifier: 0%
Heat Radiance:
Damage type: Fire + Heat
Area Damage: 80
Full damage radius: 3 m
Falloff radius: 3 m
Damage falloff: 100%
Acid Cloud Explosion:
Damage type: Fire + Heat
Area Damage: 65
Full damage radius: 2 m
Falloff radius: 3.5 m
Damage falloff: 25%
FriendlyFireModifier: 50%
mystic sequoia
Hmm. Thanks for that
I see your getting yours from \FSD\Content\Character\Shouts\MissionControl and I'm getting mine from \FSD\Content\Audio\Characters\Voices\MissionControlFX. Think the game is tapping from both sources?
mystic sequoia
Right, I was just confused. I was naively expecting the two to match. Eg I found this quote. Seen it before?
analog rock
Yes, tutorial after wave.
I found a better way to search, I'll send you what I found, might be repeats from above though
That's all
I'll be going to bed now, but if you need more info on the text of the game, you can always go on crowdin (translation website) yourself. Access is detailed in the pinned messages in babelfish lounge
mystic sequoia
Greatly appreciated, thank you for your time
shell frigate
I've not done any pixel counting but did look into the regenerative bugs a bit, and it does seem it's 5% of max health regen-ed every second
glacial topaz
hazard / players ?
shell frigate
It should be the same reguardless
glacial topaz
should Experience per enemy be displayed ? as far as I can see, the only info about that is on experience page saying enemies give exp, but no info on ammount
shell frigate
I don't think it's done by enemy just by total kill count
glacial topaz
that is correct, I was looking for enemies, but the wiki uses "hostile" as the word
but, think it should have the same format as the other sources displayed ?
shell frigate
Well it's special in that the Hazard bonus does Not apply
But yeah that page does need a cleanup
weary sonnet
Added / updated the following:
Cold radiance
Heat radiance
Target explode
Praetorian Gas Cloud explosion
Added a friendly fire line to the creature attack template for the gas cloud explosion.
shell frigate
All nice things to have
I don't have the most time today but will be looking into compressing the health table
weary sonnet
The only change left for the page is this I think rotterdxm got an idea on that:
It displays well on wide screen but on a smaller / half screen not so much, that’s why I added a {{clear}} before the combat section, that create a blank.
No rush for that or the health template anyway, we can work on all other creature pages as it is now I think.
north quiver
that looks slick
weary sonnet
Well this is the new model for all individual creatures page, doing the last small modifications, all main components are there.
proud cargo
Maybe the armour needs to be added to the infobox so it doesn't try to display the two side-by-side?
Possibly as collapsible content
weary sonnet
Not sure a tabber inside a tabber would work well, but I can try. It could work if the armor part is made as a template maybe.
proud cargo
Could be a separate tabber? Not sure if that'll display right. Not used to tabbers, only normal infoboxes
weary sonnet
Ah, maybe just in the same alignment div.
shell frigate
May need some style change to look right but other than that should be fine
weary sonnet
It seems to work, just need to add some conditonnal so I can have the good number of image.
Does 2 to 4 seems good?
shell frigate
It has like 9 separate templates that could be reduced in numbers
weary sonnet
More than the number, I find the problem lies in the dupplication of code, like if you want to change the style you need to do it 6 times.
This is what it look like for now:
Still need to make it works in all cases.
Got some better variable name for the pictures, tab name and text underneath than:
armorView1
armorTab1
armorCaption
weary sonnet
Changes to the armor box for the praet page are live.
weary sonnet
Requested CSS change:
.wikitable > caption {
background: #072B16;
border: 1px solid #53a448;
border-radius: 2px;
font-size: 125%;
}
.skin-hydradark table.wikitable th.category {
background: #063B1B;
}```
For the following look on tables, to better match the infobox:Category being a custom class I can change the name to anything, it’s in the Creature Attack template only for now, for the detail line.
shell frigate
Sure thing, will make that change
weary sonnet
Hum, just notice that the armor view is only on the first page of the infobox, should I dupplicate it to on the other pagse?
glacial valve
and the armor pics look great too, there
i think so yes
it might not be obvious to a viewer that that is the case
if they click on the variant's tab
glacial valve
OK I suggest having a descriptive line in bold above the armor image part of the infobox
between the heat/cold table
weary sonnet
A fix line between the heat/cold and the armor you mean?
glacial valve
Well, just to give context to the armor images below
weary sonnet
We could use an infoboxdetail maybe not sure how well it’d dispaly, any idea for what to display?
glacial valve
something like this (quick mockup)
for example
"Armor & weakpoints" instead of "temperature"
And then the caption under the image is "Weak points (red) take more damage"
something like that
weary sonnet
I’ll see if I can make that
glacial valve
edited for clarity ^
weary sonnet
But weakpoints are way higher and in uviewer they don’t differenciate the weakpoint from the rest.
glacial valve
aha
OK!
then nvm that part 🙂
thanks for the info
@shell frigate you were working on the templates? is the removal of the vertical space between the template items intentional?
weary sonnet
Can’t insert it in the main template, I’ll try in the child template instead, but there will be some space I think.
glacial valve
btw i love how the text and images flow on the page now, also on mobile
weary sonnet
The space may be my fault, I didn’t include a margin bottom in that template I think.
There should be some space now, 5px margin on all side, before it was 5px on side, 0px top/bottom.
glacial valve
yes looks great !
shell frigate
I've not made any edits on the templates yet
glacial valve
OK yeah we found what caused it
well, elythnwaen did
interesting that the cold cloud and cold spray have different -movement speed values
how does that work, if you walk through the death cloud then get hit by a spray from another frost praetorian?
weary sonnet
It’s probably multiplicative.
shell frigate
I would assume so
weary sonnet
Can’t make it all into the infobox nicely it seems.
It could work if I use fix tab name probably.
Didn’t manage to get anything better than that.
glacial valve
Stunning a Praetorian anywhere on their body will immediately cancel their channelled spray attack
from the praet's wiki page. what does "channeled" mean in this context?
weary sonnet
While they are spitting acid.
random lake
Before spraying they have a short animation of reeling back, preparing to spit. Even in this prep phase stunning them will cancel the attack
weary sonnet
If you think it needs some clarification feel free to reword it.
jaunty wind
weary sonnet
I don’t have any blank there.
I manage to properly integrate the images and tab into the creature infobox so they can be moved around if we want to reorder the infobox to regroup some of the data into different categories.
Btw I just saw that the template is tagged with "Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls" is that a problem or something that can’t be helped because of it’s nature?
shell frigate
Huh should not come under that
weary sonnet
It’s for the infobox 2 and it’s documentation:
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Creature_Infobox_2
shell frigate
Ah it's getting it from the doc page, that makes more sense
weary sonnet
Ah, did I mess up something from there?
shell frigate
What it means is something like this is happening {{TemplateNane|Var123=1|Var123=2}}
weary sonnet
More than likely with how many times I edited it.
shell frigate
I.e. a variable is being set twice in one call
weary sonnet
ok
shell frigate
Not a big issue, but if it's different values it will use the last one
weary sonnet
Well knowing what it means I should be able to fix it.
shell frigate
It's there for if your not getting the expected result from a template it lets you know why
weary sonnet
I got a dupplicate line for the argument call in one of the template calls.
That was the issue.
shell frigate
Good that it's solved now
plush night
While searching for the low grav icon on the wiki, i found out that the file named File:Mutator_low_gravity_icon.png is the outdated icon, and the new one is named File:Mutator no fall damage icon.png
I would edit that myself, but i dunno if i have the permissions to do so
shell frigate
They have those names as that is just what they are called in the game files
plush night
Oh okay, my bad then :x
shell frigate
It's no problem, it's nice to have more people looking out for issues on the wiki
weary sonnet
I’ll have to modify the attack damage box again, it won’t work with some projectile attack otherwise.
mystic sequoia
Hey, I noticed some small misswording here. I assume an idle Q'ronar is not curled up, right? It's when they just kinda stand open?
weary sonnet
Did I forgot an attack combinaison? Trying to figure most of them out before going to update the template.
Melee
Melee + status (stun/slow)
AOE Melee
AOE Melee + status (knockback)
AOE
Cloud (~ AOE dot)
Projectile
Projectile + AOE
Projectile + dot
Projectile + status (web)
dot (~ST dot)
mystic sequoia
What's dot?
weary sonnet
Damage over time.
mystic sequoia
Right
weary sonnet
Like praetorian spew, acid dot, clouds…
It won’t necessarily appear like that in the table, just trying to get all the variable before updating the template.
For the q’ronars, I couldn’t find a better way to describe it.
The shellback get different resistance depending of when it’s in ball form or not.
shell frigate
I think you have got them all
mystic sequoia
What would Trawler be? Melee + status?
No what I meant is that on the youngling, it's said that they have resistance while being idle
weary sonnet
The youngling switch resistance when it’s not moving and opening their mouth, not sure if he is trying to scream or spew.
Any other time, they’ll still have the resistance bonus unlike the shellback.
weary sonnet
If you see a better way to describe it, feel free to update it.
mystic sequoia
No it's worded fine, it jsut didnt make sense that they'd have resistance while OUT of ball form
weary sonnet
I’m not a native english speaker, that’s the best way I could come up with.
glacial topaz
standing up ?
weary sonnet
Even when crawling /walking around they still have the resistance bonus.
mystic sequoia
Intentional? Bug? Oversight? We'll never know
glacial topaz
is the bonus only applied to the belly part ?
weary sonnet
No, it’s applied to the whole body.
hollow trench
Is it possible to have 2 swarms stacked on top of each other? And what does it mean? The official wiki for swarms doesn't mention double swarms. But update 21 mentions multiple "waves" are possible, but its example is picking out an egg which spawns mini waves, and that's not a swarm.
I've had two swarm messages happen within seconds of each other, but I didn't notice an increase in bugs. of course, I've only had this happen once so far
glacial topaz
what is a swarm ?
shell frigate
Announced swarms only stack from pulling multiple eggs out
proud cargo
🤔 Couldn't you also get one from a normal swarm + egg swarm in a DD?
hollow trench
@proud cargo yes that's what happened.. he announced a regular swarm.. then we picked an egg or two and got the egg swarm message (NOT the mini wave that spawns each egg pick)
shell frigate
There are a batch of enemies spawn for certain things too such as first time going to a mini mule but it's not fuly know all causes etc.
I guess you can do that too
Can also cause a lot to spawn by pressing the button during a swarm
coral mirage
can i find info on thermo shock somehwere? wiki search gives nothing, for example how much is the thermo shock damage and whether is is proportional to the damage dealt by the player or if it is a constant
shell frigate
A brief look at the files suggests it does 200 damage
For personal (And any other people looking in the files) future reference the status effect files for it are in FSD\Content\GameElements\Temperature
north quiver
did it say what the damage type is?
shell frigate
Not in the parsed file at least
weary sonnet
Damage type is disintegrate, same type than for See You in Hell. @north quiver (info for Cyrob: in the uasset file the was a DMG_Disintegrate line).
north quiver
nice, good to know
weary sonnet
No resistance / amplification to that damage type afaik so I consider it pure damage.
glacial valve
except the global damage resistance as used for difficulty/playercount scaling, right
weary sonnet
Yes that one still apply.
glacial valve
ty!
weary sonnet
Well disintegrate is probably the damage type we know the less about since it’s fairly new and only used and 3 cases (I may have missed some other).
weary sonnet
Not what I was looking for, but each guntower weakpoint got 400 base health and got a Large Health scaling.
For every guntower module:
70% explosive, fire and cold resistance
shell frigate
Reminds me that splitting up the machine events to their own pages may be a good idea
glacial topaz
is there a limit to the laser pointer distance ? I think I got the drop pod to show what is beyond compressed granite, but it wasn't even showing the distance, so not sure if that was the name , or just because it couldn't reach the end. only mention in wiki is experimental branch "Fixed some invisible colliders in levels displaying as ‘Unknown Material’"
bold plover
It normally displays ♾️ as distance.
Unknown material usually came from pinging croppa purple spikes, some machine event stuff, player cameras, the air, etc.
shell frigate
The holes above salvage droppods go all the way to the top of the map
Leaving just a hole to the void at the top
bold plover
Yep.
glacial topaz
anyone ever climbed that to get some images for the wiki ?
shell frigate
I have and pretty sure many others have
bold plover
I mean, it isn't really interesting outside of seeing the outlines of the caves with see through outer walls.
shell frigate
Yeah you can kind of no-clip see the whole map from up there
glacial topaz
I thought it was something more interesting to show , but not bad
shell frigate
Could be useful for if we want to do stuff on cave gen
But for that we can just unlock Nvidia Ansel to noclip anyway
glacial topaz
based on the wording of the upcoming updates I imagine the wiki will end up having more details on biome layouts
shell frigate
Would be nice
upper crow
But you can use engi platforms to see through walls, like with the pistons in minecraft
alpine hamlet
I have a question regarding resistance.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Creatures
Does Fire / Frost resistence only apply to DAMAGE, or to the TEMPERATURE and burning / freeze effect as well?
So when an enemy has 20% resistance to frost, he takes 80 instead of 100 frost damage.
But does it also mean he freezes 20% slower, or is the temperature mechanic which makes him freeze unaffected by the damage?
(Same for burning)
Or is the freeze and burn only applied WITH the damage and a direct result?
weary sonnet
Frost/fire resistance applies to damage.
Fire res apply to the burning dot as well.
Just checked: fire/frost res (damage) doesn’t apply to heat/cold (temperature).
@alpine hamlet ^
alpine hamlet
That's very interesting, thank you very much! I did not overread that on the wiki did I? Worth a mention to resistances I guess
How in the seven hells did you test that?
alpine hamlet
Yes
weary sonnet
Modded a PGL for 29 and 30 heat, tried to ignite a spitballer with both.
Since it’s weak to fire if the first one doesn’t work but the second does it means resistances doesn’t affect temperature since spitballer burn temperature is 30°.
alpine hamlet
On glacial? What about the glyphid grunts?
weary sonnet
All the temperature values are here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U_H_IIU4n1sLYn8YyMdYfxrxUaaQ1Q74LEqsHV9Zp64/edit#gid=139697836
alpine hamlet
❤️ thank you very much
so what was the page limit you have to have until your wiki is shown publicly (how many sites do you have to finish translate)?
weary sonnet
I’m working on the english version of the wiki so there is no translation to do for me.
As for any kind of page limit for it to be shown publicly we have no info about that afaik.
alpine hamlet
@analog rock did you not say something about 20 or so?
weary sonnet
It was for the sub translated wiki I think.
Once you translate the main page and 20+ page you can have an official subwiki in this language or something like that.
analog rock
Not exactly, you must have the front page translated, and all the pages that are linked on the front page to apply for the creation of a subwiki
upper crow
Speaking of resistances, on the wiki dreadnough has none
But shield is weak to explosives
weary sonnet
Shell should be neutral to everything resistance wise.
I can retest it since a few resistances were changed in u29 u30 it seems.
Health is resistant to explosive though.
plush night
Hello, i dunno if there's the right place to post this, but i'm searching for some files in-game, and thought the wiki is the right place to find them. However, i can't find a file list page on the wiki, is there one ?
weary sonnet
afaik there isn’t one on the wiki, I will send you what I have.
weary sonnet
@upper crow Rechecked the explosive resistance on the Dread: still 0% for shell phase and 40% for health phase.
upper crow
its - resistance
glacial valve
so I've been thinking on how to structure the creature pages' descriptive sections.
- spawn mechanics/amount/conditions (also notes for the differing haz levels/players#)
- behavior, how does it react and prioritize and move
- how to deal with them, also in groups of other commonly encountered enemies
(sub-section) - what works well what doesn't
and then general tips
upper crow
When you play vs dread, try shooting it with anything and then with an explosive
glacial valve
which i will occasionally revisit to keep it tidy (as people tend to just add to the bottom of the list IME)
upper crow
Could be placebo but it works 100% for me
shell frigate
Seems like good structure
weary sonnet
I’ll keep playing with the numbers on my side 👀
I may need to reorder the data in the creature infobox 2 to make them more logical now that the armor view fit inside nicely.
weary sonnet
For creature attacks with 2 different components, would you rather have it in a single table or in 2?
Like a spitballer projectile which is single target + AOE or an acid spitter shot which is one big kinetic damage followed by a dot.
For now I was thinking a single one, so that would mean two big area with the scaling damage.
glacial topaz
depends on how it would look
weary sonnet
I’ll try to draw a quick example
shell frigate
Not sure what would be best
glacial topaz
we will have a better time deciding when we see the mockup anyway
weary sonnet
Maybe something like that for an acidspitter attack.
Didn’t edit the template yet, just edited the html code directly to get a quick view.
glacial topaz
Ranged attack -> Direct Impact ?
and that would be the single table vesion, right ?
now to see the double table one
weary sonnet
Well we can change the wording a bit, the main difference would be that the big table and title above would be once per table with one table for each part on the second solution.
glacial topaz
the only thing that might improve doing it with 1 table is a better border to separate the 2 parts of the attack
weary sonnet
And for the first solution we would put one table for each part of the projectile damage and underneath it all the information related to that part of the damage.
We can put some separator, I just need to add a special line for that, it should be pretty easy to do.
It’s mostly so I don’t start writting the whole template in the wrong way.
glacial topaz
perfect
weary sonnet
After that we can deceide on the presentation, wording to make the parts more clear, adding separations and such.
pliant sapphire
Just wondering, the wiki states that Blackout Stout and other beers only effect you in the space rig, but I've heard people talking about drinking Blackout stout and entering missions with the effects active. Is the wiki wrong, or is this a glitch?
weary sonnet
If you drink it just before going into the mission you don’t pass out since you’re in a loading screen and you will spend the whole mission drunk.
So it’s kind of a glitch.
proud cargo
Terrible.
Just terrible. I've tried. You do not want to do that.
weary sonnet
I tried it once, took me almost a minute to resupply.
glacial valve
yeah, double vision
it depends on the drinks in question
some combinations i could drink 2, be inebriated
do a mission with double vision
some also give that drunken random sideways movement, that's way worse
but it's not good for my FPS, being drunk during a mission
due to the post processing
proud cargo
That drunkenness usually wears off though.
Not if you drink Blackout Stout on the droppod. So you have severe unvoluntary movement (including turning of the camera) the entire mission.
glacial valve
that is hilariously horrible
proud cargo
Yes.
proper lotus
I dunno if this is the right place to ask, but are the Deep Dives and Elite Dives separate? or I can get only rewards from just one a week?
glacial valve
yeah, it's probably worth it to just attempt the EDD, if you finish only the first mission you still get the reward from that
proud cargo
Can cofirm, getting torn apart horribly in the 2. stage is absolutely fine!
glacial valve
so now that i once again have a blank matrix core, i haven't seen a single machine event in 2 days
about those crassus bulk detonators, what's known about them? 3% spawn chance supposedly but I tend to see 2-3 a day and I don't play 100 games
do you get less gold if there's no wall/ceiling around when you destroy it, for the gold to attach to?
weary sonnet
Still 3% spawn chance, they spawn on mission creation
They got 50% more health than a normal bulk, all other stats are the same.
I don’t think there is a parameter than increase the special encounter chance in the hazard level.
Ah, actually maybe there is one
GetAll DifficultySetting SpecialEncounterModifier
Can’t launch the game for now, but I’ll check it later.
3% is the base spawn chance
proud cargo
Speaking of gold.
Wiki says compressed gold is up to 250 units of gold, but worth up to 300 XP. Typo?
Also, what's the chance of two compressed gold chunks appearing in a mission?
weary sonnet
I have no idea, I checked the files and from what I see in them it shouldn’t be possible to get 2 (I know it’s possible).
All I can see is a 33% chance for 1 gold chunk and 66% for 0 for all mission types on the parsed files.
I didn’t checked directly via console.
glacial valve
ah that brings me to a question. i've gotten stuck inside the pod ramp
is there a command to unstuck yourself?
weary sonnet
Probably, I don’t knowit.
glacial valve
in warframe it's just "/unstuck" typed into the chat
shell frigate
It's weird, Gold chunks commonly come in pairs
bold plover
There is sort of a command to unstuck but it doesn't work consistently. Won't specify it though since cheats are not to be discussed.
glacial valve
perhaps... the amount of gold per mission (to be generated as chunks) is set too high, which causes another to spawn? even if only 1 is supposed to occur
don't know, i could be totally wrong
shell frigate
Chunks are gems and generate in a different way
glacial valve
of course.
just trying to figure out what it could be
@bold plover okay so it's not a normal command
thanks
i don't need cheats, just wondering if it was there as a QOL
so far i've only gotten truly stuck that one time when the pod ramp opened on top of my head and it was intersecting my dwarf's body
bold plover
Yeah, you have to do some stuff to get the console enabled in the first place.
The only official cheats are in the terminal in experimental. So if you see otherwise, it is likely inferring non-official stuff.
glacial valve
gotcha
i mean getting stuck once is pretty decent compared to most other games
but I do now have a healthy respect for salvage mission escape pods
bold plover
Yeah, unstuck could be useful for the unbreakable stuff in the game about breaking everything, lol.
glacial valve
oh, i ran into something today which was weird... large room in the crystalline caverns -- the diggable wall was hidden behind a normal wall
halfway up to the ceiling
bold plover
Yeah, that has been occurring more often.
glacial valve
quirk or intended?
on haz4 solo, i would not have lived long enough to make my way up there and dig my way through
weary sonnet
Will be used as a title:
Attack Name
Will be used for single targets attack:
Damage / Damage Amount
Damage Type / Damage Class
Replace the 2 above: {Name of the damage type} Damage / Damage Amount (eg. Poison Damage / Poison Damage Amount)
Will be used for attack in an area:
Radial Damage / Area Damage / AoE Damage
xxx Type / xxx Class
Full Damage Radius / Max Damage Radius
Falloff Radius / Damage Radius / Radius / Max Radius
Damage Falloff / Damage at Max Range
Will be used for all types of attacks:
Interval
Duration
Status / Status Effect / {Name of the status Effect}
Friendly Fire / Friendly Fire Modifier
We could also include the "shape" of the attack: Cloud, Projectile, Stomp, Spit…
For all the above can you choose the description that make the more sense for you (or propose a better one if you don’t like them)?
bold plover
Pretty sure it is a bug from what I saw the devs say.
glacial valve
I propose using "type" for damage rather than class @weary sonnet
it is much more conventional
bold plover
Mainly because it confuses both greenbeards and veterans alike when it doesn't show up in the terrain scanner.
glacial valve
I also quite like the elegance of type / amount
as for AoE, I think that's a good name for it as people will know exactly what is meant by it
edit however, if we are using "radius" in other parts of the stat block, it's better to use that
As for status, I say we go for "status effect" to disambiguate
I can definitely see how the "radius/damage/falloff" part is hard to get right when trying to use clear descriptive words
will think on that for a bit
Why I think "Max Damage Radius" is not the best option:
it can be interpreted in multiple ways
weary sonnet
Feel free to take time to get the right words
glacial valve
yes
weary sonnet
That’s why I posted it there
weary sonnet
I expect to update the area damage page depending on the answers as well.
weary sonnet
The reduced damage is the percentages of area damage you’ll do at exactlty the max range of te damage radius.
glacial valve
OK so it's more of a gradual falloff then
weary sonnet
Yes, between the 2 radius, the decrease is linear.
glacial valve
Perhaps we could use the notation:
"Area Damage (center)" or "AoE Damage (center)"
"Radius (full damage)" or "AoE Radius (full damage)"
and
"Radius (reduced damage)" or "AoE Radius (partial damage)"
with "Area Damage (edge)" or "AoE Damage (edge)"
or something
this is just me trying to keep it consistent ofc
@proud cargo ?
shell frigate
That could work
proud cargo
I do not have any special opinion on that, Rotterdxm, if you pinged me for feedback
glacial valve
yeah, I did
ok, cheers!
Now that I have edited the right side alternatives into my post just above, I think those work well together
weary sonnet
So to summarise the choices for now, we got:
Attack Name
Will be used for single targets attack:
Damage Amount
Damage Type
Possible Alternative:
{Name of the damage type} Damage Amount (eg. Fire Damage Amount)
Will be used for attack in an area:
Area Damage (center) / AoE Damage (center)
Area Damage Type / AoE Damage Type
Radius Full Damage / AoE Radius (full damage)
Radius (reduced damage) / AoE Radius (reduced damage)
Area Damage (edge) / AoE Damage (edge)
Will be used for all types of attacks like clouds, dots…:
Interval
Duration
Status Effect
Friendly Fire```
I’ll start working on that base, feel free to suggest other changes.
Thanks for your feedback.Glad I could be of some help!
glacial topaz
tried finding the math on the power drill page, but, how does "Cooling Rate" work ?
shell frigate
The time taken to cool down the drills is not noted, but the number is there to show that Magnetic Refrigeration makes it cool 50% faster
glacial topaz
hmm, are the class pages outdated ? for engineer, the warthog part says "damage 6" but the warthog page says "damage 7" , also not sure why it says "+10%" for warthog stun chance, and "10%" for stubby electrocution chance
proud cargo
Probably partially outdated, yes.
7 is the correct damage value for the Warthog, and the Stubby was buffed too
weary sonnet
@glacial valve I checked the special encounter modifier, it’s set to 1.0 in all difficulties, so crassus spawn chance should still be 3% per mission no matter what.
weary sonnet
Updated the attack template to use the new notation (the left one for now), it still don’t accept complex attack yet.
Le me know if you see anything that need to be tweaked/changed.
Current variables and description used:
{{{damageAmount}}} : Damage Amount
{{{damageType}}} : Damage Type
# Conditional name change with if isAoE
{{#if: {{{isAoE|}}} | yes | no}}: Area Damage (Center) / AoE Damage (Center)
{{#if: {{{isAoE|}}} | yes | no}}: Area Damage Type / AoE Damage Type
{{{fullDamageRadius}}} : Radius (Full Damage) / AoE Radius (Full Damage)
{{{reducedDamageRadius}}} : Radius (Reduced Damage) / AoE Radius (Reduced Damage)
{{{reducedAreaDamage}}} : Area Damage (Edge) / AoE Damage (Edge)
{{{interval}}} : Interval
{{{duration}}} : Duration
{{{status}}} : Status Effect
{{{frienlyFire}}} : Friendly Fire
{{{separator}}} :```The template should now be fully operationnal including for attack with 2 components.
I used a default value with an alternative being used with the condition isAoE:
Damage Amount / Area Damage (Center)
Damage Type / Area Damage Type
– – – – –
If this template is validated as it is, I think the best way to make it feel better for other types of attack would be to use some other variations of that to directly change the template depending on the type of attack rather than using custom fields.
eg for clouds or dots the Damage Amount could be replaced by Damage per Tick.
For Melee we could add an attack range…
This would allow for some customization later completly template side without changing the input.
P.S. I didn’t update the doc yet.
shell frigate
Good work, It's quite the upgrade from the original
glacial valve
that infobox ended up really hype, this is a nice format
all this custom stuff makes the page look more of sci-fi
same with the attack tables
more like an actual space encyclopedia entry
btw, do I see a typo in FrienDlyfire?
i don't know how important that is
in the code
weary sonnet
Glad you like it, I think we just need to add the alt text for stuff like is aoe, is dot or stuff like that.
hum I’ll check if it’s in the code or not.
weary sonnet
More like change the actual text in the infobox depending if we add the line or not to the template in the individual creature page.
glacial valve
ah great! OK, gotcha
next, I have a question. New, need to updated P2 variable name
weary sonnet
Doing the doc, almost done with that.
glacial valve
weary sonnet
| attackName = Gas Cloud (on death)
| damageAmount = 3
| damageType = Poison
| isAoE = yes
| fullDamageRadius = 2 m
| reducedDamageRadius = 3.5 m
| reducedAreaDamage = 25 %
| interval = 1.0 to 1.5 s
| duration = 10 s
}}``` | attackName = Gas Cloud (on death)
| damageAmount = 3
| damageType = Poison
| fullDamageRadius = 2 m
| reducedDamageRadius = 3.5 m
| reducedAreaDamage = 25 %
| interval = 1.0 to 1.5 s
| duration = 10 s
}}```This is the difference for now just removing the isAoE
glacial valve
This looks good
I guess also remove in Area Damage (Edge)?
weary sonnet
Well this text have no meaning for non AOE attack so the line shouldn’t even be there, that’s why I didn’t put an alternate text for that.
Same for the two radius above.
But the damage type/amount, got some meaning for all cases.
glacial valve
😅 mb
weary sonnet
Same for interval/duration.