since it’s AOE damage it bypass armor
#wiki-related-chatroom
untold summit
ok great
weary sonnet
not sure for edge cases like oppressor since if you hit the front the AOE may not reach the vulnerable parts
proud cargo
I assume gifs of the animations like this would be nice for the weapons, right?
Haven't uploaded gifs to Gamepedia yet, so not quite sure how to make it work without issues.
And I think that was slightly better quality before I uploaded it on Discord 🤔
shell frigate
Yeah would not work well with that level of compression
May be best to do it in a different format
proud cargo
Not sure if different formats can be uploaded at Gamepedia. Though I do know you can embed YT vids
craggy wraith
valid file types on GP: png, gif, jpg, jpeg, webp, bmp, ico, mp3, ogg, pdf, sc2map, svg, flac, mkv, mov, mp4, oga, ogv, wav, webm.
grand flame
try apng
you might have to cut out some frames to get the best quality possible
i think the limit was 5MB
proud cargo
8MB, according to the help Wiki
grand flame
even better
proud cargo
And 25M pixels.
Compression should be better now, though still small, because I'm somewhat worried about the pixel limit. Same resolution as the gifs allready on the Wiki
weary sonnet
Why go for apng and not webm if size and quality are what matter for the wiki?
grand flame
yeah just go with webm and have it autoplay
proud cargo
🤔 And the note on the pixel limit doesn't seem to apply to .webm (or at least doesn't mention .webm)... So could probably up the resolution just fine too.
proud cargo
Rename "Skins" section to "gallery" and put the file there? Or somewhere else on the page?
weary sonnet
Which page are you talking about?
weary sonnet
Don’t rename the skin part, this one is still usefull even if it’s just a link.
I’ll check how it was done in other case, I think I know some other weapon with animations
proud cargo
Cryo 'nade for example. Which has a "usage and strategies", so probably the "about" section?
weary sonnet
It was mostly in a Tips / or Usuge and strategies page yeah
In this case I think adding a gallery part just before the Trivia would be better
If the weapon got some kind of tip/advice section in the end you could put it there but in general theses files don’t go at the start of page.
For the title level use the same as the trivia so h2 (== Gallery ==)
proud cargo
🤔 And reverse-engineering from another Wiki didn't manage to make it loop. |class=autoloop doesn't seem to work on it. Just add without loop?
weary sonnet
I’ll see if I can make it loop, add it without loop for now
proud cargo
weary sonnet
Seems like it’s not possible to autoloop it using that, but it should be possible using the embed video tag.
Now I’m not sure how to use it with videos hosted on the wiki itself.
proud cargo
🤷♂️ Well, not vital that it's looped anyway, is it?
weary sonnet
No, but it bugs me when I know it’s possible.
proud cargo
May need some admin stuff for the Wiki though. Seemed to work with the autoloop class on another Wiki, so maybe something needs to be included on the entire Wiki.
weary sonnet
I don’t have access to the css so I can’t check if the class is present or not.
proud cargo
🤔 From a quick test it seems to me that you can still read that kind of thing. Though I'm not that experienced when it comes to that.
weary sonnet
you can see the css used on a page, but I can’t check all the wiki css, so maybe the class exist but under another name.
craggy wraith
You can still view the css even if you can't edit it
Could also try class="autoloop" instead of just class=autoloop, unless that's how the other wiki did it. Can you link to where you got it from?
weary sonnet
I tried it as well and a few other way.
proud cargo
Tried with and without quotation marks.
https://dota2.gamepedia.com/A_Bit_of_Boat seems to work there.
weary sonnet
it does add the class with or without the quotation marks, the problem is that the class isn’t defined on our wiki
craggy wraith
Can get one of the admins or ooeyes to copy over the css
shell frigate
Well first test with your custom user css
Appearance -> Skin -> Custom Css
I should look into doing some custom js, as some bits I want to do are impossible without it
golden osprey
proud cargo
Thunderhead autocannon. https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/"Thunderhead"_Heavy_Autocannon
while firing, bullets can be seen being loaded into the weapon from the box
Couldn't see that on my recording. Is that info wrong/obsolete, or something on my end?
(For reference, the file: https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/deeprockgalactic_gamepedia_en/0/08/Thunderhead_Heavy_Autocannon_Animations.webm )
shell frigate
I assume it's an interpretation of the bullets visible in the magazine disappearing when at 0
proud cargo
They can actually be seen moving backwards towards the player though (at least at 0.5 speed) 🤔
I'd just remove that line, unless somebody disagrees.
shell frigate
The dev way of making them disappear
proud cargo
They can also be seen disappearing when reloading while at more than 0 ammo, as I just checked.
weary sonnet
We are missing the new icon for elemental insulation.
weary sonnet
Looking for one person for a quick test with sweet tooth.
golden osprey
still need help?
weary sonnet
Yes I do
golden osprey
beta branch or release build?
weary sonnet
release
golden osprey
I'll jump in once it downloads the release build
weary sonnet
ok
weary sonnet
Test done, with that all perks pages are now up to date.
proud cargo
Yey.
In-game it's Gyro Stabilisation (english), but armor (US-american). Hooray for consistency.
On a related note. The Wiki currently says the GK2 "suffers at range". At least compared to most other weapons that doesn't seem to be the case, right? Like, it's no M1000 Classic, but still decent, especially among the default weapons.
shell frigate
I think given it's an non-us dev it's meant to be English but with a few US words used due to the colour/color issue of web dev
weary sonnet
GK2 was pretty bad at long range a long time ago, but since they buffed it isn’t the case anymore.
proud cargo
-.- Then why's the Wiki in US-american
Anyway, I'll edit that bit about range, if that's the case
shell frigate
It's in US American as there is ~5 US Americans that have Corrected it
weary sonnet
I was thinking the wiki and game was in us american as well… it isn’t?
ah that explain it.
shell frigate
It's very inconsistent is what it is
proud cargo
As are most things if several people work on it, and nobody enforces a consistent style
shell frigate
Probably should ask the devs for what they intend
proud cargo
Ye.
Let's hope it's english, and then rewrite the entire Wiki to match that.
shell frigate
Would not be too hard to fix either way
proud cargo
Oh, and speaking of "armor".
The stat listed in the equipment terminal. Is that the total modifier, or a bonus? IIrc some weapons had something like 30% base, that shows up when upgrading with an AP mod, are they really that bad vs armour?
weary sonnet
30% armor damage doesn’t mean you do less damage when you shoot a creature in it’s armor
You’ll still hit it the creature for x0.8 damage when it comes to health damage.
proud cargo
It does mean you are less likely to destroy it though, iIrc?
weary sonnet
You’ll break the armor as if the shot was only x0.3 of the damage though.
So you’re less likely to break the armor part you shoot at.
proud cargo
So there really are weapons that bad at it, which means the GK2 is average at it. Had hoped for a 100% bonus on my favourite weapon 😦
weary sonnet
15 armor damage which is base gk2 is around 45-55 % chance to break one light armor part from the tests I’ve done.
weary sonnet
I checked crowdin a bit, from what I see here the game is in english US.
There is a few UK terms, but less than 10 % so it’s probably typos or mistakes.
Well I don’t know a lot of word that are differents in en-us and en-uk but so far I got about a hundred result for the one I searched so it should still be relevant.
shell frigate
Think it's just best to ask, going off an official thing is better than any of us guessing
weary sonnet
We should ask In the #wiki-after-dark channel then?
shell frigate
Well Stuff from the Miner's Manual is uploaded, quite a few useful images in there
weary sonnet
Well guess I’ll try to go for the creature pages next then.
simple mesa
There is also a lot of now clean cosmetics icons
shell frigate
Those are generated, not in the game files
Only thing close in the files is stuff for the promotions
neon briar
😮
simple mesa
yeah we gonna need to mass screenshot crop
shell frigate
Current images we have work well
shell frigate
Kind of
the projectile does 10 base Kinetic damage
But the DoT starts the same frame
And that is Acid damage
north quiver
so a (large) majority of the Acid Spitters damage is elemental?
shell frigate
I think the DoT adds up to 5 base damage so 33% elemental
north quiver
🙏🏻 you wiki mains are a true blessing
shell frigate
Glad to be of help
weary sonnet
This is the DoT info for the acid spitter, the damage is per tick:
Acid Spitter Acid Spit:
Damage: 2.5
Damage type: Poison
Interval: 0.5 - 1.0 s
Duration: 2 s
lethal horizon
should the wording be clarified for cargo crates to make clear that the class of the player to first open the crate doesn't affect the cosmetic received, just that it selects randomly from the ones that player has not yet unlocked?
when i started playing a few weeks ago, after reading the article i was under the impression that if you opened the crate first, it would give out a cosmetic for your current class
and was very confused when this wasn't the case
weary sonnet
Added a clarification just bellow.
simple mesa
Since the update hit today in a couple of hours I'm gonna push the Lost Pack page already
proud cargo
Is there any list which enemies have light/medium/heavy armour? Creatures page says Q'ronar Younglings are the only ones with medium (-50% damage) armour, is that right and any other "damage-reducing" armour is light (-20%)?
weary sonnet
yes that’s right youngling are the only one with medium armor, other damage reducing are 20% only.
As for a list, I got one here on the first tab:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U_H_IIU4n1sLYn8YyMdYfxrxUaaQ1Q74LEqsHV9Zp64/edit?usp=sharing
But I believe I updated the wiki creature main page.
high cape
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Space_Rig
Trivia
According to the 2018-2019 Deep Rock Galactic Roadmap, the Space Rig is due a major overhaul in 2020.
Cant that be removed by now?
weary sonnet
Yes I think we can remove it now
untold summit
Any idea how many pickaxe customization parts are there rn?
weary sonnet
There is 15 files in the pickaxe skin folder
@untold summit 7 skins, 7 thumb skin whatever that means + the default one
untold summit
ugh, does that include all parts and stuff?
weary sonnet
no, it’s only textures from what I can see
untold summit
uhg, just how many helmets am i gonna need for all these
weary sonnet
but it’s a bit hard to tell from the files alone
untold summit
they're almost impossible to find
weary sonnet
I can confirm parts are stored somewhere else
you can check it yourself with ue viewer if you want
no need to exctract the files for that
looking at all subfolder, I’d say 7 skins per class per part (4 for the blade) including the default one, the thumb thing was only in the skin folder and nowhere else
weary sonnet
I don’t know for that sorry
untold summit
It's just the weapon skins and victory poses
weary sonnet
22 poses per dwarf
untold summit
that's 80 weapon skins
168 then?
tho you can't get all victory poses from crates
weary sonnet
should be something like that, maybe less since some comes from other source I think
untold summit
i checked it's 9 per class you can get from crates
so 116 crates to get all crate contents
my brain hurts counting all the pickaxe parts
there's 7 different slots
and then the dwarf paintjobs
are there like sets or smt?
weary sonnet
160 parts if I didn’t forget anything
untold summit
uhg
weary sonnet
6 frontlades, 4 backblades, 6 handles, 6 heads, 6 matelials, 6 pommels, 6 chafts
all that for 4 dwarves
didn’t count the default for each
untold summit
well that's not cetrtainly 160
weary sonnet
(6x6+4)x4 = 160 did I mess up somewhere?
untold summit
parts go for every dwarf
weary sonnet
yes, hence the x4
untold summit
no i mean one part open it for all dwarfs
rigid turtle
Curious at which rate the armors spawn inside the caves.
Been running missions like hell today and managed to get one single armor part.
That's it.
Meanwhile I had 4 machine events and 8 crates.
Been trying to get 3 complexity 3 length missions . Guess that increases chances.
Anything official about that yet?
gritty bear
I feel like I've been holding up the Wiki Guardian spot for a while now, I'd like to pass on the torch if anyone is up to the task
tiny wedge
i'll take it
simple mesa
lol no offense but I never saw you editing or maintain the wiki you have no claim
gritty bear
haha no
I have some best candidates in mind but would rather not put them on the spot
shell frigate
Can you even transfer the Wiki guardian role
gritty bear
I'd imagine I can ask OOeyes
shell frigate
Yeah guess that's true
I would be up for it, though feel like a Wiki guardian probably should write articles, while I mainly do templates, images, categories & adding numbers to pages, literally anything but writing articles
proud cargo
Pretty sure that's not a requirement. In-game knowledge is, I think.
On a different note.
Miner' Manual says armor breaking rounds "pass more damage through light armor". IIrc Elythnwaen claimed the opposite. Maybe it wa changed with the patch?
Also says the shot breaking it will deal full damage.
shell frigate
That's true (The wiki guardian stuff)
I think the Miner's Manual stuff is still wrong, did not see anything correcting it in the patch notes
proud cargo
I don't have much experience with the reliability of DRG's patchnotes, but my experience is that patchnotes don't allways list everything.
shell frigate
I think only a few things get forgotten from patchnotes
gritty bear
yeah don't worry about that, I didn't create many articles either
it says 483 creations on my profile but pretty sure 96% of those are media
weary sonnet
For the armor spawn chance: no idea for now but according to jackob the crate got the priority.
For the guard spot: I have no idea what is the role of the guardian.
weary sonnet
Wanted to put that in the other window, I failed.
I just checked again for the light armor: the shot breaking the armor still does reduced damage.
shell frigate
Need to poke the devs again to get that corrected
weary sonnet
If creations is what matters, I’m not in a better place, only got 27, most of what I do is tests to try to understand the mechanisms of the game.
And edits the pages once I figure out the hidden thruth.
shell frigate
Still need to find the numbers for lost packs
weary sonnet
didn’t really search for them on my side yet
proud cargo
Gamepedia help Wiki simply says "expected to be active editors". Uploading images, editing templates, etc. all count, I'd assume.
https://help.gamepedia.com/Gamepedia_Help_Wiki:Wiki_guardian
While in general, wiki administrators are no more than registered wiki users, who have been trusted with janitorial responsibilities, wiki guardians are also expected to be proactive in recruiting editors from within the game community, being active on forums, and/or social media. They are in general expected to take more of a leadership role while establishing the wiki than an administrator on a more mature wiki. They are also expected to be active editors, adding game content, and working with the community in establishing the wiki's "style".
shell frigate
There is a curve in BP_LostPackStart but I was thinking it's more where to spawn stuff, but might be the spawn chance
proud cargo
See also, admin guide https://help.gamepedia.com/Administrators_guide
weary sonnet
Proof for the shoot breaking light armor
shell frigate
Guess they would count
weary sonnet
Well easier way to check would be to mod it I guess, I can try that once I’m done with my work
shell frigate
The point of the curve the others use would suggest 100% spawn rate, so I'm thinking it's not for the spawn rate
weary sonnet
After seeing what a guardian is, I think Cyrob would be a good choice for that.
simple mesa
Access wiki analytics I would really want to see that one if you can share a screenshot; to know which pages are the most popular and would need rework/improve focus
shell frigate
Thanks Elythnwaen, nice to hear that
Analytics are not meant to be shared in certain ways
https://help.gamepedia.com/Analytics_Dashboard
Though probably would be fine to share in #wiki-after-dark
simple mesa
DO share statistics with other active editors on your wiki
Yes would be nice there since it's for active
shell frigate
Yeah it was more the DON'T share specific statistics in public forums, discords, or other spaces
So our private channel is perfect for it
simple mesa
btw if someone want to finish the patchnote page you welcome, I just made an early copypaste missing like half:
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Update_29:_The_End_of_the_Beginning
weary sonnet
I can do that in ~2-3h, not sooner.
shell frigate
GD_TreasureSettings does not parse now so likely lost packs are controlled in there too
weary sonnet
Look like they are, the word lost pack is present in the uasset file
shell frigate
Finding the numbers for that will be fun
weary sonnet
It’ll take some time or guess work.
shell frigate
Should not be the worst to guess since it will be some 1 in X
Also since we don't have an icon for Lost pack may put this in
weary sonnet
probably something between 1/5 and 1/20 so it shouldn’t be that bad yeah.
simple mesa
I bet it's same as cargo, it's based on the same system
weary sonnet
I knoz there is a saying if it aint broken don’t fix it, but in that case, it was broken so I don’t think they’d reuse it without a change.
I mean the cargo spawn wasn’t affected by mission length as it was supposed to.
hidden sky
@weary sonnet When you test for shot impact numbers/values, are you isolating the specific armor break/pass value for each individual "shot" collision event...? Or each mod (applicable pierce/break mod) affect on the "light armor" as a section... (& is armor a separate "tile" on a unit? Or as part of an value-amalgamated hitbox region on a single enemy unit...? (then with the broken pieces of armor "coming off" as a QoL animation, not a "phyiscal object" in the gameplay...?)
We did chat yesterday, or before- am still trying to refine the question
weary sonnet
For that test, the armor break chance isn’t known for light armor.
So all I needed was:
- a creature covered in light armor (grunt in this case)
- know how much damage I’m loosing when shooting in the armor (20%)
- sure that difference in damage will be significant enough to be visible with a single shot since I wanted to test if the hit breaking the armor will do normal or reduced damage (so a high damage kinetic weapon)
- be able to tell if the armor broke or not (the visual animation and the fact that a part is missing after that confirms it)
As for the hitbox in this game it’s equal to the creature visual model in pretty much all the cases.
hidden sky
Well, that seems like a good start, yet begs more questions... 1. We (players) don't know the raw value (numerical data) for light armor overall (specifically as a collision event, not how represented in-game as visual cues or animation secondary to value affect) 2. We don't know the base damage + break/pierce mod numerical value specific to each weapon... If the anecdotal answer is: "20% of *damage is lost to armor," Then 20% of what...? Overall damage? Weapon base damage? Then is that 20% *converted to focus on armor value? Or is it 20% just null by equal/opposite lost armor value? And to point back to the root question... Specifically: when there is a collision event between light armor (of any unit) and an individual shot (from any break/pierce mod buff)
... what is the consistent affect of the armor/mod interaction...?
This is a tough question to drill down on...
weary sonnet
pierce just allows to hit more than one enemy unless it hit a wall / floor crystal / heavy / unbreakable armor
Light armor is a direct 20% damage reduction or x0.8 damage compared to what you’d do to a non armored target like let’s say a lootbug, breeder, nexus…
hidden sky
Also, we have to be careful to make a distinction between what we see as animation events, yet are not representative of how the various code packages are interacting at a numerical value level.
weary sonnet
armor break just allows to remove armor pieces on enemies faster, under that armor the creature takes normal damage (ie x1 compared to the x0.8 for light armor or x0 for heavy)
hidden sky
Yes, we are sorting out how to most effeciently use mods for DPS/DoT here. Thanks for the play basics reminder. Again, those "pieces" may only be represented visually, w/o a direct effect on the value exchange from collision events.
weary sonnet
Well they do affect the damage, I checked it.
Armor only affects direct damage, not AOE or DoT though.
proud cargo
On a different note.
Opinions on turning the gallery section of weapons into an actual gallery? Would allow for captions on .webm files, which might be nice for showing how certain overclocks/upgrades look/work
weary sonnet
@proud cargo feel free to do that, any caption on what the video is about would be helpfull.
hidden sky
Yes, armor remains a *set value, no matter how visually communicate action to the players- Am not disputing any damage done... all I want to sort out is: how *total damage potential is distributed *when there is a mod specific to armor interaction.
Armor only affects direct damage, not AOE or DoT though.
@weary sonnet ... Wait, are you saying armor ignores AoE & DoT...?
trail gust
isn't it obvious?
proud cargo
For DoT it is obvious, for AoE it ought to work or even be more effective, at least vs explosions.
trail gust
explosions destroy armor, but even wall can't stop AoE damage
weary sonnet
DoT and AOE are not affected by armor, since they don’t hit a part of the creature in particular.
AOE damage scale by how far a creature is from the center of the AOE, that’s all.
hidden sky
I've never understood why some feel need to mock others for seeking information *from conversation w/ subject matter specialists.
Ok, so is fire (*does fire collision cause) any DoT, or AoE...? Only asked since you had said no earlier here, yet wikki page says yes, which you curate. update dropped today, must chill & just go play
weary sonnet
Fire by itself is neither, just another damage type.
You can have fire AOE (like TCF) or fire projectiles (like the charged attack from the EPC) or a fire DoT (the on fire DoT resulting from reaching the burn temperature)
hidden sky
Ok. Seems like I cant distill what I'm asking to get a focused answer here, so gonna head out. Appreciate your time as always, @weary sonnet
weary sonnet
Update 29 page is done.
north quiver
Do you wiki gods know if todays update for the temperature changes on oppressors/bombers means that snowball no longer will freeze them?
first game i joined had an oppressor in it, it cant anymore 😭
proud cargo
Cryo 'nade doesn't seem to freeze Opressors in one hit either. Not too happy, considering that's the main reason I used it before.
weary sonnet
No unfortunately we don’t have access to the temperature value for creatures, and theses are pretty hard to test accurately, especially for values higher than -100 like it must be the case for oppressor.
I asked the devs 2 days ago but no answers for now, guess the question scared them.
weary sonnet
Tried to check the new hoverboot burn effect, most of the info is lacking when I serialize the file, it’ll need testing as well it seems.
For duration and interval at least.
stone reef
sorry if the question was already posted but how i can notice a helmet part the new random skin if armor paintjob/pickaxe around the map ?
from what i gather is just a little helmet stick on the ground but there is a little light or particular sound that help me notice it ?
proud cargo
Yes, light and sound.
stone reef
ok thank you
simple mesa
anyone got some of the missing icons or any other Lost Pack armor skins?
Just a screen shot of the Wardrobe with icon will help I will do the crop
weary sonnet
I don’t have any of the skins you need sorry.
Tried looking for any of the possible fractions in the GD_TreasureSettings
Only values I found where 1/10, 1/6 and 1/3
One of each so the one that were used previously by the cargo crates.
shell frigate
Wonder if it somehow uses the same curve
And just then does something like a 50/50 chance for it if spawns a crate or pack
rustic trout
Does anybody know what the damage bonus on the gun platform's defender system mean? It seems weird to write in a "damage bonus" instead of just increasing the base damage... does it grant the turret extra weakpoint damage? I checked the wiki, but it doesn't clarify...
rigid turtle
@simple mesa Sent you an armor skin for the the Driller via dm
midnight tinsel
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1023947112096426904/FD38C06767B5C97C5CE8519183DE6390D67CFFC6/ This skin is called Top Dog
terse cairn
is there a way to play the tutorial again anymore? or was that taken out? i kinda wanna see the difference between then and now
craggy sentinel
Escape Menu > Miner's Manual > "Getting Started" > "Launch Tutorial" button upper right.
Convoluted as hell compared to before, but it's there.
terse cairn
thx mate
proud cargo
@rustic trout I'd assume it just doubles damage. Which is going to add different damage on twin turrets and MkII ones.
Though iIrc other weapons do simply list the damage change, so still a little weird.
simple mesa
@rigid turtle & @midnight tinsel thanks, added!
shell frigate
I've made a bunch of Redirects for some of the more popular Search terms, though some don't really have a page, Mainly Union (Or Miner's Union) & Quotes
So making either of those pages after the U29 Stuff is done may be a good idea
proud cargo
Btw, some stuff auto-generates edit comments. Redirects among them.
If you leave it blank it'll automatically say "Redirected page to ..." with a link.
shell frigate
Don't think I've ever left one blank to find out
proud cargo
Good. Not leaving comments should be a BLAMmable offense
simple mesa
Lost Pack skin collection slowly growth, thanks for helping the collect, you can PM me or post here 😉
I think it might be 5 per classes so 20 skins
analog rock
From the skin names we had to translate, there is potentially 8 skins per class (if they added them to the game, of course)
proud cargo
Warthog page could use the info for the rebalanced OCs. Only OC I have for it wasn't changed.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/"Warthog"_Auto_210
weary sonnet
Subtle Shadow for Scout (bottom right)
analog rock
Chalkbuster down left
simple mesa
Already got: https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Armor_Skins
It's a Mastery one
analog rock
I just looked the post above
simple mesa
Here the list of the missing Armor Paintjob icons:
- Splattered (Driller)
manic scarab
Do you know about the phero if a phero enemi can attract an other phero enemi ? because it look like it can't and the phero enemi target you, the non phero target the phero glyphid and they run to you not killing each other
weary sonnet
I don’t think they can, phero enemies will only attack non phero enemy, but I’m not 100% sure.
manic scarab
I think that if a phero enemi could be attract by another phero enemi the phero wouldn't be so " bad " with the nerf
rare plover
btw idk if it's been mentioned but cargo crates cannot occur at the same time as lost packs - it's either or
plush night
Hello there ! On the cosmetics page, you forgot to add exquisite handlebar, which is an matrix cosmetic 🙂
north quiver
o mighty wiki gods, does epc single shot deal the 3x damage to frozen or is it considered aoe?
trail gust
I don't see why not
Normal shot, Charged Shot's direct hit deal triple damage, pretty sure
People even take Heavy Hitter for that manner
tiny wedge
i remember a lot of chatter about epc having a bunch of weird damage types together
and IIRC not all damage types get multiplied damage vs frozen
cold cedar
I heard that cargo crate and helmet cannot spawn together, is that true?
Because FYI, I had that happen to me yesterday
cold cedar
Thank you!
weary sonnet
For EPC vs frozen, SplitSentro was rigth:
Normal shot and charged shot direct damage x3, rest is x1.
For crates and helmet, they can now spawn together, the spawn rate seems to be 1/6 for each according to the tests done so far.
proud cargo
Am I right to asume that the "Glyphid tank.png" file hould be moved to "Glyphid praetorian.png" (or "Glyphid Praetorian.png" if we want to keep the capitalisation consistent between files and pages)?
weary sonnet
yes you are
So far creatures names are capitalized.
But for other images like perks icon, only the first word is capitalized.
So I’m not sure which rule we should use in this wiki.
I know the perk template doesn’t work if you capitalize every word.
proud cargo
Well, allmost all pages are, so it'd be weird if the files were different...
So I'll move it to Glyphid Praetorian.png.
weary sonnet
If we do it for all image from now on, I’ll have to change the templates, not saying it’s a bad thing, we just need to choose one option or the other and stick to it.
proud cargo
It should also work with redirects, no? I.e. moving the files with the wrong name, and the template just uses the redirect
weary sonnet
So capitalazing all words from now on?
proud cargo
Seems like it.
Though a style guide (linking the general Gamepdia one) wouldn't hurt, for stuff like that.
Also specifying whether words like "and" or "or" or "of" should be capitalised in titles.
Also, about Praetorians.
The 12 damage per hit is for both the melee and the acid spit attack, right?
proud cargo
Then the creatures page is wrong on that
weary sonnet
Praetorian Acid Cloud:
Damage: 3
Damage type: Poison
Interval: 1.0 - 1.5 s
Duration: 10 s
Preatorian Acid Spit:
Damage: 5
Damage type: Poison
Interval: 0.5 - 1.0 s
here it is
proud cargo
Should the death cloud be put under "attacks"?
Also, is the melee damage 12 at all then?
shell frigate
A style guide would be good to decide on and put together
And the numbers on the wiki are a mix of base and actual damage
weary sonnet
I should be able to get most of the good number or tests them.
I expect to finish the perks today and try doing a template for creatures.
shell frigate
Think may be best to only have damage numbers only on creatures individual pages, where a breakdown of how it is on different haz levels can be done
weary sonnet
But like both of you said a style guide may be more important atm.
proud cargo
And should the variants (radioactive + frost in this case) be on different pages? Currently not the case for exploders nor grunts.
weary sonnet
I was thinking of adding them in the same creature page for individual page since there isn’t much change.
shell frigate
I think having the same page for them is fine, since they will not be the longest pages even when merged
If the page was to increase in size a lot then that's when to think about splitting them
proud cargo
Gallery section for praet page it is then
weary sonnet
What should we keep on the main creature pages?
Picture, base health, weakpoint location + value, armor type, variants and resistances?
So that’d leave scalling health and attack pattern and damage to add for the individual creature page.
proud cargo
Probably also 1-2 notes on basic tactics to fight them. Just not in-depth or complex/advanced tactics
shell frigate
I'm not set on anything yet, was thinking it could be used as an index page with a small table of all creatures, allowing people to go to the full page for whatever creature quickly
But that could just be something at the start then a breakdown like that for each after that
weary sonnet
Table structure for now then?
Is there some icons I could use for the elements so I don’t need to writte their name?
Also what about status immunity? Individual page as well?
weary sonnet
Well we can’t make a table with too much data or it’ll be a nightmare to use for mobile users.
Unlike the current cell type display.
shell frigate
We could just make a nicer cell display
The table I was thinking of at the start would just be icon and name of each
weary sonnet
To make a cell display work better than the current and use a different display depending on screen width we would need to lock the cells height I think.
shell frigate
Found all the icons used in the Miner's Manual
But pretty sure that does not cover all damage types
weary sonnet
Don’t need all of them since they don’t have all resistances
Fire, Frost, Electricity, Explosive, Radiation and Melee sholud be enough.
If one is missing I’ll make an icon if needed.
If we want to use them for damage done by creatures’ attack, we will need poison/acid as well.
shell frigate
There are some resistance icons
E.g.
I could made similar icons for all the resistances
proud cargo
Well, Praetorians now have a proper page. Best to check if everything is right.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glyphid_Praetorian
weary sonnet
Well tried to test hoverboot, not what I expected, interval will be hard to check, this thing only do heat damage, not fire…
For the preat page, no mistakes from what I can see.
trail gust
attack also scales iirc
weary sonnet
Yes they do, we can add the scaling part when we do a template for creature attacks including damage type and interval for dot types attacks.
shell frigate
Quick Job but page needs something recent looking
shell frigate
Doing the Resistance Icons now, What would be represent melee?
weary sonnet
On my spreadsheet I went with a simple pickaxe icon.
shell frigate
This?
weary sonnet
That would work
shell frigate
Or this
weary sonnet
The most easily recognisable when at icon size.
I’d say more the first one since it’s the basic pickaxe appearance.
shell frigate
Yeah, looks nicer too
Should the Resistance icons be colour coded or just all white
weary sonnet
Melee can stay white, we could add some color for the other element, would make it easier to recognize at first glance.
This is the kind of icon I used on my sheet:
Background on the wiki is much lighter so we can’t use the same but if we don’t keep one line per element / resistance on the wiki, a simple color code should help.
weary sonnet
Ah not such a clear cut at a small size.
It may be too detailed for used at a small size.
shell frigate
True
weary sonnet
So changing my mind and going with 1.
shell frigate
Using the official colours Explosion/Fire & Electricity/Frost will be similar
Full Colour Variants
weary sonnet
I think the white border is better, for the explosion I’d say the alt variant as well.
Just finished the tests on hoverboot, 20 heat damage, tick rate is 0.25 no direct fire damage.
For the updated template, should I put the update 28 to old version now?
shell frigate
Yeah guess that it is old now
shell frigate
Uploaded the icons
weary sonnet
Checking and updating all perks first, then I’ll move to the creatures.
Only perk changed was hover boots right?
Other was sound or particle effects only iirc.
shell frigate
According to the patch notes at least
weary sonnet
Yeah I hope there wasn’t too much hidden changes, I still need to recheck all guards resistances
Look like they removed at lest the electric res and not only the electrocution immunity.
shell frigate
That's a nice change
weary sonnet
It is, but we don’t even know if it was intended or not.
And I still need to test it properly I only tested it through and OC (electrifying reload) for now and since OC they tend to ignore the rules, I’ll try to verify it.
simple mesa
Just a 3/3 complexe/length map with ME, Cargo and Pack; nice
shell frigate
Wonder what the chance of getting everything in one map would be
shell frigate
Well for all of them it's 0.7%
simple mesa
damn I should had get a lottery ticket
shell frigate
Getting both Bittergem & Error Cube is 0.18%
So all of those is 0.00126%
Or 1 in 80K
weary sonnet
you may as well add a crassus, hoarder and golden lootbug while you’re at it
shell frigate
ME, Cargo and Pack is ~1 in 142
shell frigate
Everything has a 0.00000567% Chance
Yeah guess I had a rounding issue
Everything has a 1 in 17.6 Million chance of spawning
weary sonnet
Can we remove the need for cleanup on the perk page? Or there is still something we need to do first?
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Perks
All individual perks pages updates, proofreading the main page.
shell frigate
Yeah, it's definitely been cleaned up since it was added
weary sonnet
I rewrote almost half the page since then.
shell frigate
Feel free to remove it
I'm going to edit the Updated Template to also auto add categories to pages based on how updated they are
weary sonnet
Ok, let me know how to use it when it’s done
shell frigate
I think the only thing to give it would be maybe it's only little box
An Maybe moving all the strings to a different template
proud cargo
So, I thought about giving the Creature Armor page a gallery.
Categories for it? Creature images?
shell frigate
Fits, you can always make a sub category
Also if you want to be fancy, you can use NVidia Ansel to greenscreen the background out
Categories are done, should make it easier to manage what pages need updating
dense chasm
could make like this as well, or gold, or whatever
just white/same color would be too bland
weary sonnet
Perks main page and sub pages fully checked and up to date.
As for the icons they do look pretty good with a gradient.
shell frigate
Once they are in use we can try between alt versions and see what works best, that version could be it
weary sonnet
Did a rough first draw for the table (didn’t modify anything yet).
Adding a tip section take a lot of space if we use a table.
Another point is we can’t see well enough the difference between positive and negative resistances.
(Don’t take the tips seriously, just wanted to add some text to see the place it’d take.)
proud cargo
"A good steeve"
Who's a good bug? Who's a good bug? Yes you are!
Layout seems fine to me (then again, I'm not a heretic using mobile). Though needs moar links.
And needs a note at the top explaining base health at least. Though I suspect there'll be people who won't read that.
weary sonnet
Well I can try to fit the current health template into that table, or to adapt it.
golden osprey
Name could go under the icon to make that column look cleaner
Also, the current health tables don't work in tables, so you should probably just adapt them
trail gust
Steeve needs to be written with capital letter!!!
how could you
he's doing sooo much for any class..
weary sonnet
The health template can be used, but it look way too weird in this kind of cell.
weary sonnet
btw I retested electricity resistance on guard, they don’t have any resistance to it anymore, even variants
proud cargo
Probably needs thicker lines or something to separate the subvariants and the stuff about the next type
weary sonnet
Something similar to that?
proud cargo
Ye
golden osprey
1px v 4px
weary sonnet
I’ll do the template for that tomorrow if I can find enough time.
grand flame
efficient is spelled wrong
vernal raven
Do we have any data on em discharge? I just tested it on a lootbug and it seems to do 45 dmg (at the centre of the turret, dropping off to about 50% at 5m). I'm not too sure how accurate those numbers are though.
trail gust
seems about right
with that number DPS goes up to 243
when I tried it first time it did 1k damage in a bit less than 4 seconds
I can't tell what exactly dps it has, anyways I'm pretty sure it'll be lowered down
vernal raven
Yeah, with the elect chance buff they really need to take a look at that oc.
weary sonnet
there is a 45 in the stubby weapon file, but not sure it’s for the em discharge or not.
proud cargo
Am I right to assume the <nowiki> </nowiki> that just got added to the EPC page does nothing to actual formatting? Got added to something the anon was supposedly not even editing.
If my asumption is right, I blame visual editor. It should be burned in holy fire. 
If so, I'll fix the header on the TCF (one = too much on each side), and fix that too.
shell frigate
I assume it's the Visual editor at work
craggy wraith
Yeah definitely VE being silly again
proud cargo
"Again", as if it ever stops being silly.
Allright, editing then.
simple mesa
huh the electric icon seems too dark to first notice its shape like a thunder
weary sonnet
If it’s just the icon, we can see to replace them later if needed, I was more talking about content/order of column.
If some stuff should be added or removed for the main creature page.
simple mesa
the creature page is really hard to rework, I been trying too before and never found a good way
weary sonnet
I know, that’s why I am trying to use a table with reduced info and icons to gain some space while still being clear.
simple mesa
yes good step
golden osprey
what about attack damage?
weary sonnet
Attack damage will be on individual creature page
Some creature got several attack and some attack got too many factors for it to be on the main page.
simple mesa
Honestly at first I was thinking like the Equipement page I have reworked back there; it was like delete all infos and just put the equipement icons/name and make it a portal to all other pages; we making doublon
weary sonnet
Well we could put a short list here if we remove the tips part.
But we won’t be able to fit all details for sure.
golden osprey
imo you could probably just do health, variants, and mabey region if it's just a shortlist.
craggy wraith
Maybe center the name if there are no variants?
weary sonnet
sure, easy to add.
shell frigate
Two main things I would like to add, but they are not major visual changes
Just going to work out how to do them first
weary sonnet
Do you want me to validate the page so you can access it?
Not a template for now since it’s just a test page.
But still in the good location to make a template.
shell frigate
Well for one of the things it would be best for me to make my own template first
weary sonnet
I’ll send you the code then.
shell frigate
That one would be hover-over text
Since we don't have the health scaling table, maybe be best to put an * and give an explanation of it on mouseover
But Mouse-over text may be a handy feature to have for other things so will just make a template for it
weary sonnet
another way to do it woul be to make the health scale to a choosen difficulty, but that would require javascript so not sure if it’d be possible on the wiki
shell frigate
The Wiki does have javascript
Only I can edit the Wiki-wide one
But in settings you can make your own custom one to test these things out
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Special:Preferences -> Appearance -> Custom JS
shell frigate
New template made: https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Hoverover
proud cargo
Oooooooh, fancy.
weary sonnet
Do you know what is the monospace font we must use?
I may need that depending on how I display the health inside it.
No rush I won’t do anything else today, my brain already started to shut down.
shell frigate
Css has it set to font-family: 'Open Sans', sans-serif;
The other thing I'd want to add to the table is anchors so that we can link to each entry if needed
Which can be done with either
<div id="CreatureName"/>
<span id="CreatureName"/>
hollow jasper
Isn't that the same as the existing Template:Tooltip? (Regarding Template:Hoverover)
shell frigate
It is, never knew that one existed
hollow jasper
Moved all the table templates and table template categories into a new Formatting templates sub-category: Table insertion templates
(If I missed any just add them in)
jaunty wind
spice mesa
is there a list of all the pickaxe options yet?
shell frigate
Very handy to have all those templates all in one place
I was looking for new Space rig images, but only cut-out picture is the icon from the miners manual, would works but want peoples thoughts on it
weary sonnet
I though they said they’d add new picture of the space rig for the miner manual? Or am I mistaken?
shell frigate
I have not seen it, but may just be blind
weary sonnet
This one is fine otherwise, still clearer than the loading picture or what we can see from glitching outside.
shell frigate
It's possible to get very far outside the space rig just it's not possible to get a clean cut-out (In this image the is quite a bit of green on the edges
weary sonnet
Do you still have the source image from ansel?
weary sonnet
I’ll try just on a small part to see if I can improve it.
Still some green left, some parts are too thin to remove it all, would need to recolor it.
simple void
Looking at it and the loading screens it's more and more obvious that they put the rig above the current blocks were the dwarves are in
The tiny part on the bottom of Cyrod isn't visible anywhere else and it's even blocking the drop pod chute
shell frigate
New attempt
proud cargo
Unless messing with the brightness there isn't much you can see on that, unfortunately.
shell frigate
Yeah Discord emphasizes the green edges
shell frigate
My original super green one only have 1-2 pixels of dark green
proud cargo
Not sure how much the devs care about that kind of thing here, maybe it's possible to ask them if they have something better in the files?
weary sonnet
shell frigate
We could ask for a render
weary sonnet
Discord really make it a lot worse, even zoomed in I can barely see any green.
neon briar
even with a black or white background behind it, i can't see any green border on photoshop
shell frigate
It's a thing that can happen from compression
They are using a dumb algorithm for it
neon briar
second one i sent was without any compression
shell frigate
Discords compression
It scans the the image to guess what is important and it thinks the green outline is
Mainly just as it's brighter than most the image
neon briar
i can tell something weirds happen yeah, when opening in a browser it's green af
shell frigate
Since its surrounded by transparent pixels it's see as free, so to visualize it clearer it uses some of them to emphasise the border
neon briar
not possible to just extract the model + texture from the game?
shell frigate
I moved the strings from the Updated template to their own, so it can be translated for other wiki version, but just though of something that should cut it down some more
If it works it will only need to be updated for each named update
analog rock
I'm at work right now. Would it be possible to go over that tomorrow morning (GMT) ? (that would be in 18 hours)
shell frigate
Yeah, there is no rush on translating it, I just wanting to make it easier before it is translated
analog rock
It's more to see how it works. I the concept is sound, I'll try to expand it for other pages as well.
shell frigate
Well for this template I'm doing this as the Original template will be constantly updated every Hotfix
Though if you look at it and see someway to use it for other things that will be good
weary sonnet
Is there a way to add the updated template to all pages by default?
At least it’d say that the pages haven’t been updated since U27 or something.
(I was thinking maybe you can with your new rights.)
shell frigate
I think there is ways to have it included in new pages but not sure about mass applying it
weary sonnet
Well all pages inherit some base settings and are transcluded in a kind of mother template, so maybe just editing that base template could work?
If it’s too much of a hassle to do don’t bother we will just focus on adding it from now on.
shell frigate
I would give it a try but I do not know of any base page template
There may be extensions that allow a mass edit
Right now just working on the UpdatedStrings template
Works perfectly except a random space is appearing in the middle of it
weary sonnet
any line break will be considered as a space, could that be it?
shell frigate
If that was the case there would be a few more
If was the new line
Just hid itself well since is was making more just spaces were meant to be there
But the actual spaces I put there were being ignored
Well it's live now, Template can handle Hotfixes for any version
Will do something similar with the main template actually
weary sonnet
Ok, managed to get the template working for the creature table, just need to define the variables now.
weary sonnet
Creature table template is ready for use.
Here are the parameters
{{{Creature Table
start = 1 (required for the header of the table)
variant = 1 / 2 / 3 (required, it’ll split the resistance and variant parts)
end = 1 (required for the last line of the table only)
name = creature’s name
icon = name of the image for the creature without the extension
health = creature’s base health
armor = creature’s light/heavy/unbreakable armor (Light Armor)
weakpoint = creature’s weakpoint location and value (Head: x2)
v1name = variant 1 name – Default Common
v2name = variant 2 name – Default Glacial Strata Variant
v3name = variant 3 name – Default Radioactive Exclusion Zone Variant
tip = strategie or info about that creature
fireRes = Creature’s resistance in percent
frostRes = Creature’s resistance in percent
electricityRes = Creature’s resistance in percent
explosiveRes = Creature’s resistance in percent
radiationRes = Creature’s resistance in percent
meleeRes = Creature’s resistance in percent
}}}```Didn’t include hoverover for now.
analog rock
Is it ok if I call later this evening so you can explain to me how to use it? I'm still at work :(
weary sonnet
Sure
analog rock
around 22h30, that ok ?
weary sonnet
It should be.
analog rock
cya later then
weary sonnet
👋
weary sonnet
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Creatures#Glyphid
Used the template for the first few glyphis, didn’t remove any of the existants cells yet so there is doublons for now.
weary sonnet
Proposition for the template:
Removing the tips column.
For the no variant: splitting the cell into creatureName | None
Do you have any idea how to display a "No resistances" when all 5 res are equal to 0?
proud cargo
Well, there's some "if" thingy, but it's written a bit... different, compared to what I'm used to from programming.
weary sonnet
Most of these if thingy either don’t allow variables or only allow one from what I can see.
I can make it work, but it’s kind of a dirty and roundabout way I’d rather not use.
shell frigate
I'll try see if I can make a No Resistances thing cleanly, have an idea for it but may not work
This should be able to do it
| [Normal Display]
| [No Resistances]
}}```Can also swap it around like this if wanted
| [No Resistances]
| [Normal Display]
}}```Finished categorizing all the uncategorized files
Also added the small lava geysers to the Magma Core page, not sure if there's a better word for them
lava jets maybe
tiny wedge
is Fragile (cryo shatter) supposed to work on praets? because it really seems like it doesnt
analog rock
The scout's page would need someoe with a good knowledge of the game to do a quick check on the "tips and strategy" part, I believe some of these are erronous, but can't confirm them myself (I don't know the game that well).
proud cargo
Well, GK2 and boomstick seem accurate tips (if a bit short).
Though for the pistols... I don't think the damage per shot matters vs armour (though I'd prefer if it would)
alpine hamlet
@daring epoch just asked if this is correct
"Some creatures grow thin carapaces around them. Hitting this carpace will not hurt them as muchas a direct flesh hit would. The shell can be broken revealing vulnerable parts underneath. Ammunition with armor breaking capabilities will excel at shattering light armor, additionally, the shot breaking the shell will deal full damage."
I remember Ami stating that's how it is supposed to work, but one of you guys was not so sure it actually applied like that.
analog rock
IIrc, @weary sonnet tested it and proved it did not work as intended.
proud cargo
Ye. He posted a vid of it too.
Shot breaking the armour still deals reduced damage
weary sonnet
I retested it recently (on march the 27th) as FourGreenFields said, still not working.
I still got the vid if needed.
For damage vs frozen targets, the status page contain up to date information.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Status_Effects#Frozen
Thanks Cyrob that should do it.
proud cargo
The slowing effect of the IFG will not work on Dreadnaughts, but the weakening strength of it still does.
Is that correct (apart from typo on Dreadnought, allready fixing that)? Didn't use the IFG much on Dreads.
weary sonnet
Slow works on dreadnought.
It’s just less effective on health phase than shell phase because of the 60% electricity resistance.
proud cargo
Then I'll remove that line. Too in-depth for a general scout guide, but should be on the IFG page imo
Edited.
Would be nice if someone could proof-read. https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Scout#Basic_Tips_and_Strategy
north quiver
yeah looks good
i dont see anything obvious
there are some general fluidity changes i would make to some sentences but nothing important
proud cargo
Maybe swap resistances and armour/weakpoints. Would make it a tad easier to see that the resistance lists are for each variant.
Also, links to health and to creature armour pages on the headers. Yes/no?
weary sonnet
Swap resistance and armor/weakpoint seems like a good idea.
Adding the links as well.
Both pages are stubs for now though, especially the health page.
Armor should be easy to check, but before linking to health page we should wait until we proofread it.
shell frigate
The other links that could be added is biomes mentioned in variants
weary sonnet
Table updated
shell frigate
While the biome links can be useful, I think their main benefit is it increases readability of the Variants
tranquil hazel
where the roles at?
shell frigate
Roles?
simple void
@tranquil hazel #welcome-and-rules Basically in the first channel you are normally presented with also this is the wiki related room channel so try to keep it only wiki related
shell frigate
Ah, Discord Roles
shell frigate
Well they did have the Xbox Role
weary sonnet
Tipless version for comparison:
shell frigate
Does look quite nice and clean
weary sonnet
I prefer that one.
shell frigate
Go with it then
weary sonnet
2 things I’d like to change for the final version: add the mousehover for the health
make positive and negative resistance values differents to see at a glance weakness vs resistances (either text color or differents icons not sure which one would be better).
Do you see any other improvement we could do?
proud cargo
I'd honestly prefer removing the health, rather than the tips. Tips apply to all difficulties, health scales.
shell frigate
Only other thing I'd add is not visual
It's anchors
So we can do https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Creatures#CreautreName and it work
weary sonnet
Alternative layout if we want to keep the tips but still display well on narrow screen/mobile:
analog rock
I believe the last one (with tips) is too heavy/dense to read easily, especially if on mobile. As for the health, I had forgotten it is not a static value, maybe it would be best to remove it as well... After all, this table is supposed to be a global indicator, with the complete description on the creature's specific page...
weary sonnet
Added a color code for the resistance column.
For the health, I personnaly think we should keep it.
Couldn’t get anything usefull with tooltips / hoverover for displaying full health value, but I think using the creature health template, either directly or by modifying it a bit could work.
shell frigate
There probably is a way to do it, it just will be hard to make look nice
weary sonnet
Should I start to replace the creature page using the new template or do you think we should modify it more first?
shell frigate
Think we should decide what is happening with the Health
proud cargo
Oh boy, the How to Play guide could use some updates, it seems.
While the other dwarves are equipped with a standard Frag Grenade, the Scout has a special Inhibitor-Field Generator grenade which slows down enemies and causes them to take more damage.
shell frigate
Only 10 updates out of date
proud cargo
Well, parts of it. It did get some updates for other stuff.
proud cargo
The formatting of it is so terrible. Using main template, and on other bits links in the headers... and sometimes a space, sometimes no space around the title of sections (==Title== vs == Title ==).
Speaking of that. Main template, or links in the subheaders? Gamepedia Manual of Style says main template, because links in subheaders messes something up, but I've never seen that happen myself, so not sure if that's correct/up-to-date.
mossy niche
I'm posting it here as well, the subata pistol on its latest upgrade it has the ability to do extra damage on burning targets. That means the targets must be on fire or just tickle them a little bit with the flamethrower?
weary sonnet
@mossy niche That means the target must be on fire for the T5 bonus to apply.
mossy niche
👍🏾
proud cargo
IFG page needs work too. Such grammar, many wow.
And is it correct that the IFG increases damage against affected enemies, even without any other special effects?
north quiver
increases damage against afflicted and slows them
counts as electrical for stubby/zhukov +dmg to electrified targets mod
proud cargo
Well, submitted the changes. Would be nice if someone could proofread it.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/How_to_Play_Guide_for_Deep_Rock_Galactic
north quiver
i changed it a bit
overall seems good
thats for IFG's about page
some of it sounded a bit off so i just tried to reword it to flow better
i didnt read everything on the How to Play Guide, but what I read looked good, but unsure if you meant to link that or link the IFG page
proud cargo
Well, I submitted changes to the how to play guide, so proofreading for that.
Not that changing IFG page hurts.
north quiver
okay, went back and re-read the parts i just skimmed over, it all looks clean; made a few changes under anomalies and tried to make the assignments section a bit better, the phrase "On the one hand" didnt really work well there under that context so I did my best to remove it and restructure that section of the text
everything else 👍🏻
proud cargo
How does randomised damage interact with punchthrough/AoE (specifically the 40mm PGL upgrade)? Is it per shot (all targets in AoE take e.g. x0.87 damage) or per hit?
tranquil hazel
does cooling things down after they have been frozen further delay unfreezing?
or is lowest temp equal to freezing temp
mellow lance
is the small purple thing described anywhere on the wiki? you know the one that gives you a skin
gritty bear
small purple thing that gives you a skin?
mellow lance
I don't remember what it's called in game. First you find a thingamabob that you activate, and it adds a small purple marker on your scanner. You usually need to dig to the marker as it is placed in a fully enclosed cavern. When you get there you activate another thingamabob that is lying there and you get an armour paint.
Is this a better description?
mellow lance
awesome, thank you, @gritty bear
I'm compiling a list of "other content" that is what else you can do during a mission, which is not fulfilling your mission goals. So far I have Lost Pack, Cargo Crate and Machine events. Did I miss anything?
gritty bear
BET-C
mellow lance
Yep, thank you!
mellow lance
When you put "Blank Matrix Core" in the search bar, you get redirected here https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Machine_Events#Reward which does not tell you how to get a Blank Matrix Core, only what it is used for.
Also it says "Empty Matrix Core" in one sentence and "Blank Matrix Core" in the other, but clearly means the same thing
proud cargo
Does gold rush affect the chance to spawn compressed gold chunks?
shell frigate
No, only increases veins by 300%
proud cargo
Allright. Just luck on my end then.
tiny wedge
Does anyone know how blowthrough rounds interacts with the minigun's bullet hell oc?
simple void
lewd silaise
simple mesa
that was mildlypenis
manic scarab
you hold the minigun at the hip
shell frigate
Looks like the French Wiki is getting set up
proud cargo
Indeed.
analog rock
(First thing once it's up, translate the templates used on the already french pages, I'll probably come to you guys a lot for advice on these since I don't know a single thing on coding them. Also, @shell frigate Didn't you say a couple days ago you had a potential auto translatable template ?)
shell frigate
Feel free to ask questions and yeah may make some changes to that template, but designed it to only need updating once per named update
craggy wraith
Forgot to say thanks for trusting me with autopatrol @shell frigate, I'll probably continue being sporadic :P
shell frigate
That's fine, the role is for those that are know to do good edits
analog rock
What is that ?
weary sonnet
It’s a wiki role to get a notification anytime a page you edited is modified.
shell frigate
Auto patrol, Patrols all edits you make automatically, on page history or recent changes I see all edits that are not patrolled and can patrol them, its a way to fight spam
analog rock
Ok thx, I think I get it.
weary sonnet
@shell frigate do you know where are stored armor break multipliers (inate, not from mods) and damage data for hitscan weapons?
shell frigate
I can't remember anything off the top of my head
But would have though it would be in wpn_ files
weary sonnet
That was my guess as well, but it seems to mostly just link all the other files together.
Couldn’t find the values inside it.
shell frigate
Huh, there is not really any other file that I though would fit for it
weary sonnet
Ah, it may contain a few values as well, just not in the form I expected.
weary sonnet
Ok it was in the weapon file, but not linked to any text in the uasset file.
No wonder the parser can’t open that one.
craggy sorrel
Hi what are these circle vault looking things in the grounds of the mule missions?
analog rock
I believe you found a machine event. They are random encounters (not tied to a mission type) that can be activated by promoted dwarves only. Check the wiki for more info (on phone so no access to the link)
graceful crag
you can do that with the bullet hell blowthrough
@manic scarab
Does this drawing work the same for magic bullets and blowthrough?
bold plover
Are there any particular images in the wiki that could be improved upon?
manic scarab
Normaly yes it does just test it if you want to be sure
manic scarab
@graceful crag ok, so there is a " problem" with that since the bulldog stats is 3 for blowthrough you can pierce 3 target, and the bullet didn't ricochet after my shot on 2 enemis
manic scarab
case 1) so the ricochet happen after the 3 enemis pierceing case1
case 2) the ricochet happen after the first enemi is hit and the bullet ricochet on the ground/wall
case 3) you hit the ground and the bullet ricochet and pierce the enemis
graceful crag
Thank you very much. This really clears it up.
I suggest adding this interaction to the wiki
proud cargo
I noticed some images have custom usernames in them.
E.g. https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/File:Player_Badge.png
Reupload with a neutral name like Karl, or Miner perhaps?
analog rock
I would suggest putting "username" to avoid confusion with the player titles.
proud cargo
Karl isn't a title, but allright
I assume https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/File:Character_Badge.png and https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/File:Player_Status_HUD.png are outdated?
craggy wraith
Yep
proud cargo
I'm about 95% sure the Space Rig page needs an undo.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Space_Rig
simple mesa
yeah the main one should be french what happened
shell frigate
I'm looking into it
Looks like Azerty while editing the French one a few times one of the edits applied to the main wiki
Happened in the middle of their editing of the Fr page, checked it did not have any extra stuff that would be lost then reverted the sudden French change on the main wiki
shell frigate
Yeah somehow one of the edits on the FR was actually on the main wiki https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Space_Rig&curid=637&oldid=13524
All reverted now those so it's all fine
analog rock
Could one of you explain to me the purpose of these that are found at the end of a page :
{{mechanics nav}}
weary sonnet
It put a menu at the end of the page.
analog rock
thx, I'll have to translate it as well... (so much work with all the links to fix 😢)
shell frigate
Where Wiki & translation combine just means the work to be done is multiplied
signal meadow
Hello, is the t5 mod for the lmg turret not called hawkeye system or something now? On the wiki it still says target prioritization
And does not include the range increase
bold plover
Saw an interesting image (no idea if it was edited but probably not), is this a translation error or just some shenanigans?
https://i.imgur.com/5VQrLXH.png
https://i.imgur.com/FR2DJ7N.png
The poster said that anyone who played Driller became that different class name.
shell frigate
Could make a mod to replace a string, but could be a bug with translations
analog rock
Probably a mod, sonce a translation bug would be applied to all of the players (as in : global community)
daring epoch
Does flow rate = faster fire rate at the expense of ammo count or simply increase the damage by a % without affecting ammo count
midnight aspen
its the equivalent of rate of fire
dapper bridge
hey is the faction board in xbox or do i have to reach a certain rank?
shell frigate
Only done via Discord for now, so not on Xbox
dapper bridge
that sucks well glad I figured it out bow tha k you
shell frigate
Np
daring epoch
Clarification on converting damage to fire damage, Boomstick white phosphorous shells, does it imply that half the damage is applied as fire, or does it add +50% fire damage off the base damage? The PGL's version of this is different "50% damage converted to heat. This will reduce direct Damage, but will set enemies on fire," implying it reduces the damage, does it actually reduce damage or add +50% fire?
weary sonnet
For the boomstick half of the damage remain as it is (kinetic for the bullets, explosive for the blast wave) and the other half is converted to do
both fire and heat damage..
So unlike the PGL you don’t loose damage unless the enemi is resistant to fire.
weary sonnet
Oppressor resistances were changed without any mention in the patch note (reduced res to frost, electricity), here are the new one:
66% fire, 50% frost, 25% electricity, 66% explosion, -50% melee
shell frigate
Good catch
wary cove
You can't
icy stream
really
bold plover
Would gifs of some weapon models be too much for the wiki?
wary cove
Personally I'd like a weapon model viewer, but idk how they'd do it
bold plover
Something like:
shell frigate
Now just need to do that for every combo
But yeah that looks good, wonder if it's possible to greenscreen
bold plover
I have a better way than the above, just had to figure it out.
I should use a macro for mouse speed for the rotation, lol.
bold plover
Yeah, that was without any editing.
Because it could potentially be a huge pain to edit all of the videos on top of the like 900 combos.
And the setup is a huge pain.
shell frigate
There probably is a way to auto edit it all but I would not know it
Yeah I had a weird set up to do the existing images
Involved making my PC think 2 monitors was just one ultra wide and then using the Nvidia greenscreen filter
bold plover
Your current screenshots are really good.
shell frigate
Thanks, once I did the setup they were quick quick to capture
bold plover
I need to get a somewhat normal view of this without the angle. I'll look into how the model viewer things on websites work and see if I can make one that is compatible.
shell frigate
Love the Shine / Lens flair
neon briar
imported in another software?
bold plover
Nope.
jaunty cradle
@bold plover I'm telling you. Use a controller.
golden osprey
You could export the models to blender and just automate the camera movement. But idk how to get the textures in.
north quiver
hey quick question for the wiki gods, if a base revolver with the weakspot mod (50 damage, 65% weakspot damage) hits warden orb, a weakspot that is 300% damage, how is that calculated
50 x 365% for 182.5 damage on that shot? "> _>
flat jungle
Anyone here know if Veteran depositors secondary effect of 30% damage reduction also counts on elemental damage? From enemies like macteras and spitters?
bold plover
Pretty sure it does.
flat jungle
Yeah I tried it out on the EDD and it seemed to be working like that.
weary sonnet
Veteran depositor does work on elemental damage.
Last time I tested it it was only 20% reduction istead of 30% for the last tier though (U28P8).
@north quiver 50 x 3 x 1.65 so 247.5 dmg
Creature weakspot and weapon weakspot damage are multiplicative with each other.
weary sonnet
I was checking how to display the health for the main creature page:
Tooltips/Hoverhover doesn’t seems to be a solution, only one line of text can be used and you can’t force it to go to the next line.
That leaves:
Base health
Base health + scaling type (normal, large, boss, neutral)
Base health + expand button (if we can make it fit)
It should work if we move the expand button
Not health at all
Shall we make a straw poll to deceide which one we use or do you see another solution or eventually a better way to handle it?
shell frigate
Could display the Base heath but also have it be the expand button
Plus maybe a hoverover with underline to explain that
weary sonnet
That’d probably be the best option as long as we write it somewhere on the page or put some underline on it to show there is more.
shell frigate
Should be possible to use what's set up on Accessory Shop in template form
Also has a benefit of being able to make a button on the page that toggles all of them
weary sonnet
That should be a good solution.
So it’s not too clustered by default, but you still have some additional info just there if you want to without going to the individual page.
analog rock
You both just want to make me translate the whole page all over again, right ?
shell frigate
Since it would an edit to the template no translation on that part would be needed
But the main page has not even transitioned over to the template fully yet
weary sonnet
Well I was waiting for us to know the know parameters needed so I don’t have to restart everything.
Adding scaling type should be enough.
Ah and I tried to check how to make anchors like you wanted to Cyrob, some other wiki got a template for that, it doesn’t exist on our it seems.
shell frigate
I though just something like one of these should work
<span id="CreatureName"/>```Well I can try that when I implement the other changes, easy enough to do and check.
north quiver
Okay thanks Ely, so it's (weapon damage x enemy weak spot modifier x weapons weak spot bonus)
weary sonnet
Exactly, if the enemy has any elemental resistance/weakness, it’s multiplicative as well.
weary sonnet
Creature template and Creature hp template updated, I’ll updated their doc and finish the table later.
Anchors added to the new template as well.
shell frigate
Very nice to have
weary sonnet
You were right, a span with an id was enough to add them.
weary sonnet
Documentation for the creature table created, but it could use some proofread/clarification from someone who don’t know the code of the template, I spent so much time on this template that I know all variables too much, so I feel like I’m biaised and they don’t need to be explained.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Creature_Table/doc
I’ll call it a day, I’ll try to update the creature page tomorrow.
shell frigate
I'll have a look over it
Looks pretty good only things are:
VxNames; does it generate a link for the biome or does it need to be inputted as one
The Resistance numbers are not fully explain do you put 50% 0.5, but the example covers that so it's fine
weary sonnet
vxName generate a link with the default value only, for non default value we still need to add the square braquets.
For the resistances I added a clarification on the doc.
proud cargo
Shellback and exploder seem to have copy-and-paste errors in their variants.
weary sonnet
Ok, I’ll check that.
shell frigate
I think it's just they have a variant but the name for it is not set so it's used the default
weary sonnet
Yes you’re right I messed up for them.
shell frigate
No worries, seems like it will be an easy fix
weary sonnet
Just need to add a line to define it.
Fixed.
I just forgot 2 lines in the code so they used the default value instead.
Thanks for spotting it.
weary sonnet
Just finished editing the whole creature page to use the new template.
shell frigate
Looks good
weary sonnet
I’ll check the texts on the page another day then we can probably remove the cleanup tag for that page.
And after that I’ll start bothering you again with question about the individual creature page probably.
analog rock
Can one of you give me a hand for the upgrade icon template? I'm in the reg pod 1
dull gulch
hey I'm looking to help out for the wiki, and have no clue where to start
shell frigate
What kind of thing to you want to do to help out?
dull gulch
Anything really. This game is really one of my favorite games and i just want to help. but ive never done stuff like this so idk what's needed
shell frigate
Well there is lots of different stuff so it's whatever takes your fancy, I do a bit of everything myself
Would divide it into;
Writing pages (or extending existing ones with more text)
Checking pages (For both inaccuracies or just poor phrasing/spelling etc.)
Writing Templates (Prefab stuff that allows to make server version of complicated stuff more simply)
& Uploading Images (Mainly pictures of stuff that the wiki does not have, such as some Weapon Mesh images)
sleek jackal
I just compared a couple of health loss images I made with stunner vs. stunned and non-stunned target, it turned out to be 30% bonus just like conductive rounds. Thought you guys might like to know.
tiny wedge
Will the listed base money reward for a mission match it's exp gain?
aka higher is higher and lower is lower
is there any case of a mission having a higher money reward than another but less exp gain?
shell frigate
It correlates for missions but the bonus objectives work like that, they either give more Credits or more Exp
tiny wedge
bonus objectives work like how?
shell frigate
Well some give you more Credits but less XP for completing them or the other way around
tiny wedge
i thought bonus objectives were always exactly half the main objective
oh nevermind, i see
thank you!
shell frigate
No problem
orchid dawn
@shell frigate For all pickaxe skin in the wiki , you need again screenshot for complet the archive or where you started to create the page ?
shell frigate
I think we are missing pictures of some of them, Feel free to upload some
daring epoch
nice work on the creature page, is there any way to indicate that praetorians can be shot in the mouth without indicating its a weakpoint?
shell frigate
Yeah there is not really a good place for that, since it's no a weak point for them
weary sonnet
I’d like some though on the final changes on the creature pagse.
Info about sumary and scaling and hazard on the creature pages are respectively outdated and wrong.
For the sumary I was thinking about adding something like Naedocytes are a specy of jellyfish like creatures, but there is also some creatures in Hoxes that doesn’t belong to any specy in particular like the Spitball Infector or Xynarch Charge-Sucker.
For the hazard level, I don’t think a small table here is needed at all, just a sentence to explain that the creature health will scale with hazard and for some with number of playes while their damage scale with both hazard and number of players.
Then adding a link to the main hazard level article saying that you can expand the health on each creature on this page to see the scaling but you’ll need to go on the creature individual page to see their damage.
Does that seem fine or would you do it another way?
shell frigate
Yeah that seems good to me
bold plover
A bit late, but Spitballers are plants internally (ShootingPlant) but maybe not for the purposes of health types and scaling.
Here is a revised version of your line. I fixed some stuff for you as someone who is a grammar nut to some degree.
Naedocytes are a specie of jellyfish like creatures, but there are also some creatures on Hoxxes IV that do not belong to any specie in particular, such as the Spitball Infector or Xynarch Charge-Sucker.
weary sonnet
It’s not too late, didn’t edit the page yet, I’ll probably do it tomorrow.
For scaling spitballers count as large creatures internally (ie same scaling than breeders, oppressors, preats…) and their internal name is ShootingPlant.
I should take a closer look at the grammar that you all need to fix, look like I’m making a lot more mistakes that I though…
Thank for fixing it.
north quiver
@bold plover and @ ely slightly, tho ur off to bed (im assuming) so i wont ping;
it should be "species"
specie refers to money in the form of coins, species is the word for the animal group
north quiver
also it was a bit difficult for me to asses how that excerpt should be formatted since it would be added to the summary section in its entirety, because of this i decided to do a lookover of the section and edit it.
i would change it like so (and added the excerpt to the section)
Most notable is a species known as Glyphids. They are similar to arachnids in appearance, have a variety of subspecies, and are extremely hostile. Glyphids can be encountered in small groups while roaming the caves, and periodically build up to attack in concentrated waves. When they decide to swarm the Dwarves, Mission Control will warn the players of the attack in advance.
Along with Glphyids there are various other species found on Hoxxes IV. Mactera are a winged species that primarily use ranged attacks while airborn. Naedocyte are a species similar to jellyfish, and serve as the airborn counterpart to Glphid Swarmers. There are also a variety of creatures on Hoxxess that do not belong to any of more commonly encountered species such as the Spitball Infector, Xynarch Charge-Sucker, Q'ronar Shellback, and Nayaka Trawler. Many of these creatures are hostile, however there are a few that remain passive around the Dwarves
Hostile creatures will only attack players, ignoring Bosco, M.U.L.E., BET-C, sentries, and the Minehead.```its a bit messy since its 6am and probably could get skimmed a bit 😭
weary sonnet
Summary updated on the creature page, I fixed the few 6 am typos I could find.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Creatures#Summary
Scaling part will be updated next time I need a short break while working.
weary sonnet
Scaling part updated as well.
The whole page should be up to date now.
Feel free to fix any mistake you notice and thanks for your help / suggestions
analog rock
I'll start translating it tomorrow then (so the fixes can be applied ;)
shell frigate
We may want to think about changing the main image of the page since it is now quite outdated
weary sonnet
We could use some of the trailers image for that maybe.
shell frigate
Very true
alpine hamlet
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Credits
I think the credit payout for machine events are missing
alpine hamlet
Also, does anyone know when beers actually reroll / reset?
manic scarab
usualy it's like the mission every 30min disband team and you see new beer
bold plover
^
cold mist
pretty much what Silaise said yeah
golden osprey
Er, it looks like the new wardrobe ui is bound to the center of the screen. Any way to edit them out, or are victory poses going to be recorded with the ui present now?
bold plover
I could record them without the UI.
golden osprey
You could just say how it's done
bold plover
Nah.
real matrix
boss
daring epoch
nice work on the creature page, is there any way to indicate that praetorians can be shot in the mouth without indicating its a weakpoint?
@daring epoch
Yeah I know its not elegant to add another column but it almost sounds like you "cant" shoot them in the mouth and the fact that the mouth is the weakpoint for most glyphids should mean the wiki should point out differences and methods to kill specific glyphids in such manners. Like pointing out that shield break AOE damage can kill naedocytes but not most swarmers on haz 4/5
analog rock
The creature page is going to need an update anyway since the preat got a buff in hp...
bold plover
Oppressor too.
weary sonnet
The patch isn’t out yet is it?
Checked on the experimental, it was just x1.25 so it should be pretty easy to do.
shell frigate
On the topic of Praetorians heads, I think it just won't fit well on the page, lucky it does not have to, since the creatures pages is streamlined it does not included everything (like creature attacks) and so it will definitely be on the praetorians page
weary sonnet
Checked on the experimental for that, it seems to act like the old fake weakpoint on abdomen.
shell frigate
And maybe it could come under the Armor & Weakpoints column in the creatures page, but just would need to not cause confusion by being there
weary sonnet
We could add it there without changing anything in the template afaik.
shell frigate
Yeah it's possible to add it there, just don't want people thinking it's a weakpoint
since weak point bonuses don't apply to it
weary sonnet
I think the solution would be to display the armorr and weakpoint in different color to make sure there is no possible mix up (if we add it in the armor section for the main page) if we want it in the creature page.
Or just put it in the individual page.
Pretty sure a hoveover won’t be enough.
spare bloom
I’m a bit of a lurker here but I wanted to ask. I made a short video guide that covers many of the aspects involving the new lost pack event. It has the sound for the helmet and talks a little bit about the debris spawned by the event among other things. Would this be an appropriate place to post the video? It’s not overly technical but just a general use video guide, covering most of the info found on the wiki in some way.
I don’t have the content creator role to post videos in the respective channel but figured it fit this channel more appropriately as it’s not so much about gameplay and more educational
spare bloom
thanks for letting me know, i will go ahead and post it there instead. I appreciate what yall do for the game. visited what feels like countless times for information about guns and overclocks while away from the game.
bold plover
When you click on edit the page that only applies if someone verifies it after you save changes, right?
I want to add some more images to the resource page but don't want to screw anything up while I figure it out.
weary sonnet
I think it apply as soon as you validate the change, no matter who edit it.
shell frigate
Yeah instantly in effect, though you can use the show preview before as much as you like
weary sonnet
Only works for the edit source, but it’s pretty useful.
bold plover
Alright, I'll be careful, just wanted to add various cropped images of resources such as:
shell frigate
Changes can always be reverted so nothing to worry about
bold plover
Just need to see how the layout is so I don't screw that up, lol.
bold plover
Do images with no backgrounds not work well on the wiki?
The top of the image doesn't seem to match the other due to some box underneath it (haven't figured out how to get rid of it)? I am also not sure if the white is normally visible or if that is just because it has no background and that is the default color it goes to before uploading.
shell frigate
Normally transparency is preserved, may just displayed on a white box
proud cargo
Could possibly shorten it to "light/heavy/unbreakable" + icon?
weary sonnet
Sure, I’ll add that.
north quiver
i do like the icon
weary sonnet
We may need one more icon for medium and no armor depending on the choice.
Short text + icon
proud cargo
I'd probably just use the same icon for light and medium. They're both considered "light" in the MM, iIrc
weary sonnet
For the purpose of breaking it, it seems to follow the light armor rule. For damage reduction it’s 50% for the younling instead of the regular 20%.
analog rock
Could you send me the image for the light armor, I might have an idea to make the four types of armor more differentiable?
weary sonnet
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/File:Icon_ArmorType_Light.png
They all are on the wiki already, just replace Light by Heavy or Unbreakable for the other.
Cyrob added them.
proud cargo
Or just check the Miner's Manual Icons category. Contains all 3.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Category:Miner's_Manual_Icons
weary sonnet
@proud cargo ty, didn’t saw that category, could be useful.
shell frigate
Could make an icon similar to armour breaking for no armour
weary sonnet
I was thinking more like a red shield with a diagonal bar, since a cracked shield could mean a damaged armor, but there is still some.
So that one could work for medium armor maybe?
weary sonnet
Not the best for medium armor yeah.
proud cargo
As said, I'd just put the info on medium on the text, as the MM considers them the same iIrc.
shell frigate
I kind of want to just make a fancy icon for unbreakable then can just the Full for medium and old unbreakable for Full, it just then won't match the manual
weary sonnet
I don’t see any mention of medium armor in the MM.
alpine hamlet
I looked up the wiki but coulnd't really find it. I know there are 98 overclocks, and skins out of packs is also clearly shown.
Anyone knows (maybe I missed it) how many cosmetics come from matrix cores (per class)?
tranquil hazel
As far as I know you need 292 cores to unlock all cosmetics. (73 cores per class)
alpine hamlet
I had the idea to somehow either make a filter (get this cosmetic by: X Y Z)
or smth
alpine hamlet
Is it possible, that the statistics on the KPI for forged items don't count items crafted FOR that class, but items crafted AS that class?
(like if I craft a driller item while im playing scout, my scout statistic goes up instead of my driller?)
weary sonnet
for the OC/cosmetics it’s the items crafted as a class for sure.
tranquil hazel
so uh wiki kinda has problemos right
problemos meaning the lack of workforce
I added a part about lines being able to pass through terrain on BC page
which is a thing that was known for quite some time 
gusty canopy
how does the weakspot work?
because (11+20)x2+(11+20)x1.5 = 108.5 melee damage versus a x2 weakspot; allowing to kill a Glyphid Grunt in one hit
confuses me
thats bonus damage + normal dmg?
proud cargo
That looks like direct damage vs AoE?
gusty canopy
i thought the 2x was the bonus
weary sonnet
x2 is the bonus damage from weakspot
gusty canopy
yeh
weary sonnet
x1.5 is the AOE damage from the pickaxe attack
weary sonnet
AOE damage don’t benefit from weakspot
weary sonnet
So even if you hit the head, only the first part of the hit is amplified
Vs a matcera belly that’d be (11+20)x3+(11+20)x1.5
gusty canopy
yeah sweet
weary sonnet
In that case 20 is the bonus damage from the perk and 11 the base pickaxe damage.
You could add other bonuses like the beer buff the same way, don’t recall how much it was.
gusty canopy
dunno why it didnt click the other numbers for the pickaxe hits shown
coral mirage
in the wiki here https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/LMG_Gun_Platform it says "Sentries cannot cause friendly fire, even if a teammate deliberately crosses their line of sight." which i have found not to be true, i have been hit by friendly engi's turrets by walking into their line of fire, i noticed because it was a no shield run and 1-2 of their bullets was enough to kill me
proud cargo
Are you sure that wasn't that explosive round from the Warthog mod?
coral mirage
even though i have about 500 hours i only noticed it in that one game and because of my disbelief i unwillingly let it happen about 3 times in a row in that game
grand flame
I've seen it trigger ff voice lines, but never looked to see if it did ff
dense cypress
Can someone help with transcription of this voice line?
shell frigate
Hold on to your gizzards, ladies. Swarm incoming!
neon briar
that's a new one
golden osprey
It's older, but I believe it's a rare line.
stark lantern
I literally have never heard that line wow
half sandal
gizzards 😄
tranquil hazel
pretty sure this is an error
real matrix
bismor
simple void
A little bit more bismor