I thought if we blew the whistle we would get banned
#wiki-related-chatroom
halcyon plinth
But I do enjoy this wiki page
Over analyze the inner game files in order to extract some semblance of lore
"The earlier icon of Aqurq looks similar to a star, perhaps it is use to guide ships jumping through space"
Definitely what the devs want
gritty bear
don't worry, I've talked to a few devs about it
@cerulean cypress someone copy pasted a thing you wrote a month ago lol
halcyon plinth
Is the voice lines for unlocking guns new?
I've never heard the mission control guys voice line on the cryo-cannon
"Just what a growing Dwarf needs"
gritty bear
they were added with the new guns
gritty bear
I think we have all mission control lines on his quotes page
halcyon plinth
I searched for cryo-cannon page and the voice lines, but the mission control "quotes" which I personally attribute to written words is what I was looking for
trail gust
Just translated my numbers table for some guy on Reddit. It's similar to one which was linked there back in autumn. There's still lots of empty fields that was not tested or I just couldn't find numbers. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fGOaCXvEI2hQIJufJDmFG7y16JHLimA6
gritty bear
Ok that looks super useful, will check when I am back
gritty bear
you should know there's no actual health increase, just damage resistance increase
ohh nvm I see what you did
weary sonnet
I actually made a table like that during my tests, still don't have boss values for multiplayers, but the rest should be fine if you want to check it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U_H_IIU4n1sLYn8YyMdYfxrxUaaQ1Q74LEqsHV9Zp64/edit?usp=sharing
Anything in yellow is untested
I'm not completly sure for the boss values, I'd need to retest them, the sure thing is dreadnough shell and bet-C are not affected by crit modifier on weapons.
gritty bear
these lists are great
also you should know loot bugs also receive damage resistances
you can easily test it with driller's pickaxe
weary sonnet
They used to, but not anymore it seems for lootbugs. Same damage taken in hazard 2, and 4 when I tested it if I remember correctly.
Tried hitting them with guns and not pickaxe since the pickaxe test need to be done at full health to be consistent with the berzerker bug.
weary sonnet
Just verified, exactly the same life for lootbug in haz2 and haz4.
trail gust
I can confirm - tested like 2 weeks ago. Not sure about haz2 and haz4, but it was the same on haz2 and haz3
gritty bear
Will have to check myself
gritty bear
yup I was wrong, it was 5 hits on every hazard
crude crane
Can I get some info on how the health works in this game? I've looked through this chat really far up and didn't find anything I was looking for. How does hazard level affect health, and how much health do bugs gain per player?
Can't the devs just tell us? I don't think it'd be hard to find
craggy sentinel
crude crane
Not too helpful, doesn't say anything about health and excludes any hazard 5 information
I don't even know wtf 'enemy resistance' is
craggy sentinel
Are you looking for a basic explanation of how the system works, or did you have a specific question?
gritty bear
health values don't actually get touched of creatures, only damage resistances do
brisk veldt
It effectively increases their health though. It's bit of a roundabout way of doing it and has the funny effect of making something like EPC better on higher difficulties since it ignores that resistance. I assume, not entirely sure and it might be the only one too.
gritty bear
yo is my homie Cenrus editing the wiki again???
thorny sand
I'm back alright
thorny sand
and I'm going to edit the wiki until there is nothing left to edit
weary sonnet
Updated Deeptora Honeycomb health (seems to be a bit lower now (400 instead of 500).
Updated Dreadnought and BET-C health and crit info now that I was able to do some proper tests on them. For dread, I left the original value and marked the new health as as solo health until someone else can confirm it (or I got time to verify it in multiplayer).
Convoreal send me some of his fight against bet-c, it seems the resistance scaling for bosses is much higher than the scalling for any other enemies, especially in haz 4-5.
gritty bear
these are the exact damage resistances for bosses a dev sent when update 23 came out, based off a 4 player mission
Dreadnought: 0.8 / 1 / 1.1 / 1.6 / 1.8
weary sonnet
That could work, the values look a bit weird for haz 3 (+57% effective health increase from H3P3 to H3P4) but it does match the data I have for H5P4 and it would explain the health values of 1000 shell, 4500 health (didn't expect the coefficient on solo to all be smaller than 1). I'll try to check those, if I can verify them, I'll update the wiki in consequence.
gritty bear
to-do list updated
cerulean cypress
Where's that
gritty bear
pinned messages
cerulean cypress
Okay ty
gritty bear
yo could someone make these grenade icons?
jaunty cradle
@gritty bear Like the icon itsel?
gritty bear
you can get the outline and everything from the game files, someone just needs to color them properly
hollow jasper
I can get them later today, if someone else hasn't gotten them by then.
gritty bear
alright cool
hollow jasper
gritty bear
thanks!
craggy sentinel
It doesn't seem to be an ad per se, but something it shows when you're not logged in. No idea if it can be removed or if it's part of the hosting site, but either creating an account might get rid of it, or using the "Block element" feature of uBlock Origin can definitely get rid of it.
finite reef
i seriously have to use 3rd party software or to login before displaying the website correctly ?
๐
wary cove
Take it up with gamepedia, we don't place ads
craggy wraith
Looks like you already have some kind of adblock - that's why it isn't displaying correctly. Without adblock or Gamepedia PRO, there is an ad sidebar where that Pro ad would be. It would squish the page a bit, but it doesn't obstruct anything.
If you still want to take it up with Gamepedia, you can contact DRG's wiki manager. (https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/User:OOeyes).
finite reef
yeah at first the users are doing it wrong.....
the tables are floating incorrectly
i dont understand why not downloading mediawikis software and hosting it on any cheap webspace
trail gust
I have same ad blocking plugin and I see no ads lol
finite reef
@trail gust i disabled it to show that its not the plugin who damages the layout
trail gust
but on the screen above it's enabled and there's still ad
finite reef
its not ?
finite reef
trail gust
finite reef
well because the picture is no ad
trail gust
but I don't see it
finite reef
do you have 16:9 or 4:3 ?
trail gust
yeah
gritty bear
yeah hex tried to make a simpler way of adding in creatures but it also messes up formatting for mobile view and ads
gritty bear
while adding creature entries is indeed easier I might revert it back someday
or me (or someone else) will fix the template before then
elfin salmon
I've had issues with ads on the wiki to.
(I have no adblock)
thorny sand
I had issues with lower resolution monitors, ads just covered half the creature cells
thorny sand
I missed my yellow name
craggy wraith
Could probably just do a table for the achievements page, I think a section header for each one is a little too much.
Also, I can grab the icons, unless somebody else was already working on that
craggy wraith
Also, from the Gamepedia/Fandom discord:
gritty bear
feel free to do it, also would be nice if you'd include a little walkthrough area similarly to TF2's wiki
craggy wraith
Sure. Maybe it could be put on a subpage?
gritty bear
doesn't have to be, but yeah that'd be fine
craggy wraith
Finished setting up the Achievements page, but there are still some secret achievements missing their descriptions.
craggy sentinel
Should be filled in now.
weary sonnet
Updated the boss resistances I was able to verify on the hazard page, since they seems to match as well, I let the one for 4p difficulty given by the dev from the release of 2.3 given by the devs, but marked them as untested.
weary sonnet
Updated most of the new creatures health and weakpoints, still missing Naedocyte Hatchling health value and type and Q'ronar Youngling weakpoint damage for now.
weary sonnet
Q'ronar Youngling info added, this is a weird one for the crit modifiers.
weary sonnet
@trail gust Yes, for the new enemies, the Naedocyte Hatchlings are the only one for which I'm still missing some data.
The possibilities would be either 11 health with special type or 9 health with common type assuming the data I got from my single test on them are reliable (turret kill on H3P2).
weary sonnet
Updated praetorian weakpoint info, still not affected by gear mod: 200% โ 150%.
cerulean cypress
Interesting
That makes shooting them in the face a bit more of an option, but that is a 33% buff to their least effective health
weary sonnet
Yeah, at first I was thinking it was just a base health increased since I almost never aim for the head, but I did a complete test just in case.
Shooting them in the face is viable now for sure. Still risky since it's a smaller target though.
lament raven
so about the pictures, is there a way to turn your hud invisible
or would it be fine if it was shown for now
weary sonnet
By default a long press on the H key hide the HUD, the key can be changed in game.
lament raven
would something like this work?
gritty bear
would be nice if you'd get ansel's green screen in there too
lament raven
sorry I don't really have any knowledge on this stuff so I'm not too sure how to use that
gritty bear
if you're using a gtx video card you can access a handy picture mode with ALT + F2 in-game
weary sonnet
Updated Naedocyte Hatchling health (this was the only one missing from the new enemies).
weary sonnet
Added Naedocyte Roes in the creature and Hazard level page.
icy sigil
I added a special "Throwables" page with a full table
It'd be great if someone would add images for the throwables cuz idk how to set em up conventionally
weary sonnet
Updated all bosses resistances on the hazard level page. Got some help yesterday for the remaning tests.
lament raven
appreciate the work you guys do, very helpful.
gritty bear
@weary sonnet your breeder stats were spot-on with the dev's!
gritty bear
I've done a few grenade demonstrations in a similar style to that one Hex gif, I believe they are a nice and quick way to showcase what the grenades can do, since the articles are tiny I think this would be a nice addition. If you wanna make your own try your best to follow the below requirements (PM me or post your submissions in this chat)
Requirements:
- Hide the HUD during recording, make sure no notifications appear
- First clip should demonstrate the grenade's abilities in a safe and lit environment
- Second clip should demonstrate the grenade against enemy creatures
- Third clip should demonstrate anything extra about the grenade, optional (example: mine wont trigger on small enemies)
- Try to keep the gif below 18 seconds if two clips, below 25 if three clips (8mb upload limit)
- Gif should take place in a Solo (no bosco) mission on Hazard 3 (recommended: mining expedition, point extraction)
^ If needed, multiple dwarves can appear - Keep the demonstration within the same biome
- Must have smooth transitions between clips (0.30s transition time)
- Gif should loop smoothly
- Upload the initial video to gfycat (true gif version will be downloaded for use in the wiki)
Demonstration Statuses:
Driller
โ Impact Axe
โ HE Grenade
โ Neurotoxin Grenade
Engineer
โ L.U.R.E.
โ Plasma Burster
โ Proximity Mine
Gunner
โ Sticky Grenade
โ Incendiary Grenade
โ Cluster Grenade
Scout
โ IFG
โ Cryo Grenade
โ Pheromone Grenade
Legend
โ - demo needed โ
- demo done โ - present on the article โ - needs to be redone/minor mistakes present
Gfycat Collection of Demonstrations
https://gfycat.com/@tommygun/collections/U0tAwWfm/drg-demonstrations
weary sonnet
I just saw the modification about younglings based on dev's info.
Based on that, the armor covering the youngling's back is unique and reduces damage taken by 50% while it's intact. (unlike the standard light armor that reduces damage by 20%).
Did they said anything about that?
weary sonnet
Well that's the only way I can think of for the math to add up.
Since I found a life of 100 if I hit the mouth (wich is not a weakpoint, so its' the real life) and 200 if I hit the shell.
That's why i was thinking at first mouth was a fake weakpoint like preatorian while eyes and tail were the real weakpoints and life was 200
(since armor was either full or 20% up until now)
Should I update anything on the wiki regarding the youngling armor yet?
gritty bear
yeah would be nice to at least mention it's actually armored
weary sonnet
Unique type of damage-reducing armor has a chance to break when damaged (-50% damage).
Would this do? to differenciate it from the standard light armor?
gritty bear
yeah for now
jaunty cradle
I've actually mentioned that a couple times in #bug-discussion and how their explosive resistance is ridiculously high.
Last I heard, they are aware of it.
full whale
hey guys just reading through the wiki, and noticed that in the abyss bar jukebox section you have attributed greensleeves to mozart instead of unkown
gritty bear
I have little knowledge of classical music but that was the closest fit
elfin salmon
For the improved motor on minigun row 1 it says it faster gyro stabilisation, does this mean it winds up faster? I presume so but has it been tested anywhere?
Ghost answeredl, ignore~~
manic isle
Faster firerate will indeed wind up the gun faster. :p
elfin salmon
Edit 2: You're comment wasn't exactly what I was looking for but it does raise some interesting question.
Does the firerate increase on minigun increase the speed of the accuracy increase?
Does the firerate increase on minigun decrease the time taken to fire bullets?
As for the orginal question: Before I thought windup reffered to the miniguns accuracy increasing, and not the delay of the gun actually firing, which Ghost cleared up for me.
craggy sentinel
Untested, but I'd say yes to the first and unlikely for the second. Improved Motor specifically states "faster gyro stabilization" but I haven't bothered to check exactly how much it speeds it up. (~13% based on firerate increase?)
elfin salmon
That would be my assumption to, but of course we all know that classic saying about ssumptions.
thorny sand
I think all this weakspot and armor information belongs on separate creature pages
It's taking up lots of room
elfin salmon
Did Flips' armour post information ever get moved to the wiki?
How armour actually works and stuff like that?
It doesn't look like it. Maybe it would be worth creating another page specifically for those values. Then you could also explain the armour mehanics.
Same thing about temperature systems and stuff like that. I'll try and find the information but I don't think we have any numbers for any of it.
"armor damage is also not directly linked to your weapons normal damage, its a separate value that we set
But in general we have set hard hitting weapons to break armor easier
As for if the breaking shots damaged gets reduced i am not sure. but i would guess that the damage isnt reduced
its correlated but i dont know exactly how yet, It seems to pick a value from a graph based on armorDamage / armorStrength
Here is what the graph looks like"
As for the temperature system: (part of this is speculation / not confirmed)
Some weapons have the ability to increase or decrease the temperature of an enemy.
Once an enemy reaches a max temp / min temp it will catch fire or freeze respectively.
Each enemy takes more temperature changes to catch fire or freeze. Each enemy also recovers from being frozen at different speeds.
(not sure about fire, I need to find out if the build up of fire gets reduced quicker and if the time of fire gets reduced or changed)
Enemies on glacial (not sure if it's just ice variants or all) also have resistance to being frozen more so than enemies elsewhere.
Weapons that "convert" damage into heat damage really just means that the damage will increase temperature of enemies. Although, Im not sure if this results in a damage loss when shooting the dreadnought that has fire resistance.
Hopefully you guys can use this information, although the temp system needs more testing.
weary sonnet
For armor, the breaking shot does reduced damages on light armor at least. (not 100% sure, but almost)
You can check that with a M1000 on haz3 to 5 with a focused shot.
gritty bear
kinda insane he never actually posted this on the wiki
we also need a page on the status effects
thorny sand
yeah I meant to start doing that
elfin salmon
Yeah, when I tested it the shot that breaks the armour was still reduced.
But this was a while ago.
weary sonnet
The breaking shot still does reduced damage, I was able to confirm that on a game yesterday.
elfin salmon
"Weakpoint (150% damage): Abdomen (not affected by gear mods)"
"Praetorian abdomen is designed to take 200% damage, but is intended to not register as a weakpoint for the purpose of weapon modifications (such as Hollow Point Bullets)"
In regards to praetorians, one is from the textbox one from the notes at the bottom.
I presume the bottom note is out of date?
craggy sentinel
I already fixed it, jeez...
elfin salmon
That was quick lol
elfin salmon
TEMPERATURE SYSTEM UPDATE
Fire/Frost weapons increase the temperature of an enemy.
Enemies take different amounts of temeprature changes to freeze / catch fire. E.g a praetorian takes far more freezing than a warrior.
Enemies also recover at different rates, with enemies like praetorians becoming unfrozen / cooling off much faster.
Weapons that convert damage into heat/fire damage (I will refer to this as fire damage) Fire damage acts like normal damage, except that when an enemy is shot by a weapon with fire damage, it's temp will increase by the amount of fire damage.
For example: The Boomstick with Double Sized Buckshot does 7x15= 105 damage. If you take fire shells, the fire damage will be 105/2 = 52.5. So the enemy will still take 105 upfront damage, but will also have it's temp raised by 52.5.
Something notes:
Enemies in glacial strata do not seem to catch fire easier.
Burning damage is rougly 15hp/s
Hazard level does not seem to affect how easily enemies catch fire or freeze.
A praetorian takes "55-60 heat" to catch fire, for a reference point.
Shooting weakspots with a fire damage weapon, like the boomstick, will not result in an increase in temperature. it seem to have no effect relative to shooting a normal spot. The damage will still increase however.
When it comes to allies:
Fire weapons will free frozen and increase the temperture of allies. You can shoot an ally with a fire boomstick to free them for example.
For some reason PGL only took 285 damage to set fire to an ally, but the boomstick took 6 165 damage shells to set fire to an ally.
Hazard level does not affect how easily it is to set an ally on fire.
Loveable and driller's fire resistance affect how hard it is to set fire to an ally. Normally it took 6 shells to set fire to an ally, with loveable it was 10 with driller we couldn't get him to burn
.
When it comes to weapons:
I have not a fucking clue what's the deal with heat radiance. It just seems to ignite enemies insanely quickly, despite listing a value of 10.
I need to do more testing on the flamethrower / cyrocannon. I presume their damage is pure frost/fire damage but that's speculation.
Im not 100% sure if the damage resistance of certain enemies like dreads applies to fire damage. E.g shooting a dread with a fire boomstick second stage will result in less damage relative to a normal boomstick. I think it does, but it was a very rough/quick test.
PGL spiky damage is also converted into heat damage.
elfin salmon
Drills hit 8x every second. Drills are not affected by beserker. Drills are affected by vampire.
Weapons that convert damage into fire damage do suffer a damage loss when shooting enemies that are resistant to fire.
E.g shooting an unarmoured dreadnought with a fire boomstick reduces damage by roughly 25%
Wonder if this results in an increase of damage against enemies that are weak to fire damage.
Weird, fire damage doesn't do increase damage or set glacial enemies on fire faster.
elfin salmon
I don't know if they were supposed to take more damage or catch fire easier.
I do remember one of the devs saying they were supposed to be weak to fire.
trail gust
flamethrower deals more damage to glacial hostiles as i remember
elfin salmon
Maybe it is just flamethrower damage then.
I know they are harder to freeze afaik
Or maybe the actual burn damage is increased.
trail gust
I think they set it for flamer and forgot to set bonus for other mods
but no one dug that hard to sort out it's bugged
elfin salmon
See that's what I don't know
If the flamethrower does fire damage that's the same type of fire damage shared by the mods.
trail gust
it should be so
elfin salmon
For example, I know certain enemies are weaker to the flamethrower, but is that due to all fire damage or just for the flamethrower specifically.
trail gust
it should be fire damage for all weapons and mods
equal bonus
and as you discovered 49% fire resistance is actually 25% for shotgun cause 50% converted fire damage divided by 2 is 25%
it's expected
elfin salmon
That's what was expected yeah. What wasn't expected was why do glacial enemies not catch fire easier or take increased damage from fire damage.
If the damage resistance of the fire for dreads worked for the mods.
trail gust
it's expected for them to take 25% more direct fire damage
elfin salmon
They don't however/
trail gust
I remember they were affected in some previous patches
elfin salmon
Yeah Im going to look at the glacial path notes right now.
trail gust
I don't play with flamer consistently though to check that
elfin salmon
"And watch out for the Frost Praetorian - itโs a stone cold killer. On the upside, they all seem quite susceptible to heat of any kindโฆ"
Perfect, that clears everything up. VIOLENTLYFLIPSDESK
trail gust
sadly it's only praets and grunts who's affected
gritty bear
yeah they used to take 20% more damage from the flame thrower, this was before the new weapons were added tho so it could be exclusive to it
rigid quartz
So, on a region on the mission map like Radioactive Exclusion Zone, shows the missions available and then what appears to be a spaceship usually with the number 0, what does that mean?
lament vale
that theres no player in a mission in that region, or that you cant connect properly to the servers
rigid quartz
Gotcha! thank you
weary sonnet
Updated info about preatorian weakpoint.
Should I remove the trivia about them since it's no longer relevant or write it was an old mechanism that is no longer used?
gritty bear
yes
rigid quartz
Do we know who "Karl" is?
lament vale
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Karl @rigid quartz
gritty bear
short answer: no
safe raven
From Wiki:
As of Update 23, it costs 304 Perk PointsPerk Points to unlock everything, and 355 Perk PointsPerk Points are available from Milestones (taking into account that the 3rd weapon license isn't achievable), leaving 51 unused.
I've got 31 extra, not 51
hardy flare
Hello, guys, in my memory, a few months ago we coould check MOB health per difficulty, now i only see the health for one difficulty. The page with all stats for all difficulty has been delete or i just dont find it. Thx ๐
lament vale
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Hazard_Level This? @hardy flare
hardy flare
nah i remember of page where i could see HP scale like (Pretorian 1000/2000/3000/4000) on HAZ 1/2/3/4
But maybe im dreaming ;p
lament vale
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Health This? @hardy flare
lament vale
resistance can also be translated to more hp
if you have 100 hp and 0.7 resistance, that means the damage you can take is 70
weary sonnet
If you want the equivalent HP for monster, you could use this spreadsheet the check them.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U_H_IIU4n1sLYn8YyMdYfxrxUaaQ1Q74LEqsHV9Zp64/edit?usp=sharing
As far as I know the complete table was never on the wikia directly, only the individual base HP and resistance per hazard level that has been liked already.
lament vale
That should be added to the wiki one day
hardy flare
@weary sonnet Thx! thats exactly that, it was on wiki before nah?
weary sonnet
I don't think so, but I may be mistaken
frozen edge
@hardy flare I think @cerulean cypress has a sheet with damage and update changes. That might be it?
frozen edge
Ah, I see.
gritty bear
they are gonna go on the wiki when we'll be doing separate articles for each creature
gritty bear
the health tables would look something like this for each article
I'd be fine with doing separate pages right now but I really don't wanna do every one of them on my own
weary sonnet
Depending on the info you want to put on the individual creature page, I may be able to do them all at once or almost by doing a mult line edition based on the data of my spreadsheet, so this would save a lot of time.
gritty bear
I imagine them having the expanded information of the Creatures page, describing their appearances, abilities, weaknesses, etc. in greater detail
and maybe even tips on defeating them
if you're gonna go for it I will make the infobox template and everything
dreadnought is already semi-done since its abilities are described very well on the Elimination page
weary sonnet
I don't think I know them well enough to add all their abilities and damage done, but adding health, armor, weakspot, genreโฆ should be pretty fast to do if I got one template.
trail gust
don't forget to mention that it starts digging reachable dwarfs at some point, he even digs lure nade for whatever reason
tranquil hazel
it dug a supply pod someone was resupplying from once and it killed them
gritty bear
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Heads-up_display tell me if I forgot any HUD stuff
I will make a creature article as a template later
burnt cedar
Always nice to see HUD stuff, hopefully we'll be able to make more custom HUDs later on
jaunty cradle
Should Mixer Integration notifications be mentioned as well? Theyre mostly all located top center like where Mission Control messages are.
gritty bear
oh yeah I forgot that one
gritty bear
@weary sonnet here's what the articles may look like, I feel like it still needs improvements
thorny sand
wait, how can you simultaneously be a retired regular and a regular?
gritty bear
ask Jacob
weary sonnet
@gritty bear it look pretty nice, I'd add some info about the armor and values for the weakness and claw swings damage (I guess those are not known though).
Is the scaling known for the damage done by enemies?
elfin salmon
Go to the creatures page and click scaling.
It might even be at the top of the creatures page.
As for armour, I would recommend making another page for it and then making a few classifications to use for each creature page.
Light armour: Has a chance to break, absorbs 20% damage
Heavy armour: Has a set amount of health, blocks the full damage, healthj of armour scales.
snow fjord
Hey, I just got my first promotion and I thought I read something about doing deep dives after the first promotion. I can't find a wiki page or anything on it, was I mistaken?
shell frigate
Think your thinking of the road map post
"The next update is a big one. The smart ones among you have probably already guessed it; Update 25 is all about the Endgame in Deep Rock Galactic.
What does all that mean? Well, first and foremost, the endgame will be focused on content that is primarily available once you have enough missions under your belt to promote your first dwarf. We are aware that once you get your dwarf past the first promotion, there are other and better-paying mining gigs out there, so we are setting you up for some special assignments for you to do once you reach the appropriate rank."
frozen edge
craggy sentinel
I'm still furious I didn't think to make that gif first...
elfin salmon
There's some weird linking on the wiki here:
Clicking hazard bonus takes you to the missions page, looking at the link to the hazard bonus page.
Why not just link the actual hazard bonus page?
Rather than hazard bonus, hazard bonus electric boogaloo, and then the page you want ๐
gritty bear
you could've fixed it yourself tho
summer relic
He right
elfin salmon
I don't have easy acces to my gamepedia account rn.
I need to reset my password and stuff. Aka Im just lazy. Also wanted to check if there was any particular reason why it did that before I made any changes, since I haven't kept up with the wiki for a while now.
mossy stream
You arenโt paid by the hour @elfin salmon
gritty bear
you're paid by the edit ๐
elfin salmon
Look, I don't tell people "you could've tested that yourself tho" because I understand that I could just save people the effort since I already know the answer to whatever the question, or can more easily find out. Different people have different knowledge in different areas.
I'm not familiar with the wiki so it would have taken me a bit longer to get used to the editing tools and whatnot to link it, where as you guys know how to do it already. Hence why I posted here. Not to mention, most of my previous work on the wiki was scrapped, because I'm bad at it lol.
As mentioned above, I also feel uncomftable making changes to the wiki, as I haven't kept up with it, unlike others. I posted here as a check to make sure I wasn't missing anything important.
gritty bear
don't get me wrong I appreciate the heads up, just that a link fix is one of the simplest wiki things in my eyes
you can never be as bad as a dude who literally just posted his achievement ideas on the wiki as a new article...
elfin salmon
I don't know, you would blink and all the references to Hoxxes 4 would be replaced with Hoxxes 6 ๐
gritty bear
can't wait for the Hoxxes 9 DLC
trim valve
Hey I can talk here too!
wary cove
Hmm we better fix that
vital junco
People keep joking about Mission Control being an orc
But somewhere in the game, maybe on a PSA board not sure, there's a line that goes "DRG has long relied on the hardy race of dwarves..."
implying that DRG may not even be a dwarven company
Mission Control never says anything dwarven, he's a human you guys!
t h e o r y
gritty bear
yeah it's unknown weather he's a dwarf or not, but he does say "rock and stone" when you promote your character
frozen edge
He is voiced by a human.
gritty bear
same for the dwarves lol
frozen edge
allegedly
vital junco
I gotta know something, this seems like the right channel to ask
Did the fan community come up with the nickname Molly, or did the devs add it in first?
wary cove
Devs
versed hazel
Arenโt dwarves humans,too!
vital junco
no
They are a fantasy race that usually is described to be hundreds of years older
or have i just been baited
Also
@wary cove
Thank you!
mildly disappointing but still an integral and nice addition to the game
I love the name molly for animals
versed hazel
neeeeeeeeeerd
gentle ether
Is the Q`ronar Youngling a boy or girl?
gritty bear
real questions
burnt cedar
Making dwarves sexy is one thing, but glypids?
gentle ether
i called him rolly boy and some said i cant call him boy because i dont konw
gritty bear
if these bugs are anything like earth's animals, then either sex's outside appearance would be mostly the same anyway
humble meadow
They act like clownfish
tranquil hazel
Maybe they're like floran
versed hazel
glyphids > dwarves
gritty bear
gamepedia staff guy did that
thorny sand
gamepedia staff? in our little wiki?
gritty bear
ya the OOeyes guy again
thorny sand
also, how is that merge with wikia going
thorny sand
that's probably for the best
craggy wraith
Nah the merge happened a while ago
You can see fandom stuff at the bottom of every wiki now
They're still working on other changes
Also every gamepedia wiki has a manager or some other staff assigned to it, they usually do some stuff every now and then
gritty bear
oh damn never noticed it
weary sonnet
How do you create a new page in the wiki when there is already a redirection for in place?
I tried to do that to create the individual creatures pages, but I couldn't find how to do it since most of them already redirected to the main creature page.
shell frigate
To view a page that is set to redirect (And thus edit it to not be a redirect) you can add &redirect=no to the end of the URL
But you can also just click the link in the small text saying (redirected form {PAGE NAME]) and it will take you there
That text appears just under the title of the page when you have been redirected
weary sonnet
Thanks, that's just what I needed
shell frigate
No problem, hope the page creation goes smoothly from here on out
weary sonnet
Well I'll try to do the individual creatures pages based on the model done by TommyGun (https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glyphid_Grunt)
shell frigate
Having a template certainly will help out
thorny sand
We have a fandom equivalent now https://deep-rock-galactic.fandom.com/wiki/Hoxxes
Featuring Carl, Driller and mission control guy
wary cove
Couldn't even spell it right smh
frozen edge
Letโs give some credit. Someone liked the game enough to put in some work.
thorny sand
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I mean, they even put in the effort to create a whole new wiki
You can tell they must love the game
jaunty cradle
But credible?
gritty bear
true, but then again, aren't half of those articles copy/pasted text from somewhere?
the hoxxes one sounds very familiar...
wait a second...
that wiki was made on march 21st 2017
ours was made on march 30th 2017
frozen edge
It is the original scriptures! The ones thought to be lost!
jaunty cradle
thorny sand
Deepest lore
gentle bison
They say Mission Control is human...
cloud zodiac
plot twist: mission control is an elf
weary sonnet
Well there has to be a reason why we have to recolt so much 
and 
dim quiver
So they make space pizza!
burnt cedar
Certified Realistic Sprayer of Pyrotechnic Ramifications
past sundial
clustered regularly interspaced short palindromic repeats
frozen edge
Charred Roasted Singed Parched Reignited
tranquil hazel
crispy rispy spy py rispy
past sundial
Lmao
weary sonnet
All common enemies now have their own page in the wiki.
Individual description and attack pattern is still missing, but the template is there.
All of them are properly linked to the creature page.
I'll do specials and boss creatures when I got some time.
valid ether
Is the control center character a dwarf or an orc? I've been saying Dwarf, but my friend is convinced he's an orc.
Wiki doesn't seem to say.
wary cove
there's no information as to what he is, but as orcs haven't even been confirmed for existing, it doesn't seem likely
gritty bear
imo he's either a dwarf or a human
but I feel like there's a higher chance that he's human, most dwarves get sent down into the mines anyway, right?
snow crest
I dunno, to me he looks more like a dwarf though unless he is just looking such way since he is a human who gain some good amount of extra weight. Hard to tell from one portrait.
frozen edge
Maybe he's an android?
tranquil hazel
A well spoken dwarf
past sundial
Bishop
rapid nest
Is the damage multiplier listed on the wiki the same as the health multiplier for Haz levels?
sly grove
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Difficulty_Scaling
updated the difficulty scaling page. Most info on it was outdated and flat out wrong (as many other pages aswell)
normal / small / extra large enemy names have been removed for now as we believe the old listing is outdated. will fill that in later today probably.
will go trough a bunch of other pages on the wiki today
shell frigate
Working on a new page about mission names (and showing all possible name pieces)
Looking in the games for info and turns out some name parts are duplicated
steel hollow
Does anyone else have trouble accessing the wiki? I get a "server at capacity" error...
alpine marsh
There was a server issue
weary sonnet
@sly grove where do you get the updated values for the Haz5 3-4 players from? I remember testing them and it wasn't that long ago, it was still for the current update.
Same for the list of creature belonging to each categories, this one is even more recent, it was retested under update 24 patch 7, so it should still be relevant there was no need to delete it.
sly grove
@weary sonnet directly read out from the difficulty datatable itself. most of the values and information listed in the page were wrong.
shell frigate
Having also read the files I can vouch for iHaku, the new values on the page are as in the game files, the previous ones were wrong
weary sonnet
I saw that with him in private message, trying to learn how to read the files miself, but got no success so far
gritty bear
yeah we lost our code reader long ago, I can completely understand if they were dated
shell frigate
Well first you have to unpak the pak file
Which a tool in the Unreal engine files can do for you
Then you just need a tool that can merge the Uasset & uexp files
gritty bear
I can send them to you
hazy citrus
really? That would be great!
jaunty cradle
๐
gritty bear
yo who is Ireuno
sly grove
no idea. i saw some linking popups?
grand flame
me
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Difficulty_Scaling fixed some small number errors and formatting; added some mob names to their category but not all of them
sly grove
thanks for fixing the formatting, i havent used gamepedia before so i was kinda lost on why it did random linebreaks without me putting any in
hollow jasper
I'm not sure if we really need seperate pages for each perk, but I went and updated them all to use [[Template:Icon perk]] instead of those duplicate images Ireuno/Spirit uploaded.
I also marked all the duplicate images for deletion, since they're of a lower resolution than the ones we have currently anyway.
I also went and extracted and uploaded all the current Promotion borders, which can be found here:
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Category:Promotion_icons
grand flame
thats great, dont know much about gamepedia either
sly grove
@gritty bear i dont get the tag? 
gritty bear
you'll need at least 1000 gamer wiki points for the role atm
sly grove
what is that supposed to be
alpine marsh
Those are global, it combines all your other wikis contributions too
hollow jasper
DRG Wiki specific points can be found here: https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Special:WikiPoints
alpine marsh
Aye
gritty bear
yeah I refer to the drg specific one
sly grove
oh.. i guess i cant talk about things i find here anymore then
since people put stuff i found and talked about in other chats on the wiki before i could
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
gritty bear
are you kidding me
wary cove
Why do perks each need their own page
hollow jasper
You get points from making edits in general, not just adding new content/pages.
wary cove
Why not just one page with a list or table
hollow jasper
We already have one
gritty bear
common practice for wikis to make a separate article of each thing
hollow jasper
I'm still not convinced we have enough information per-perk to warrant it though
gritty bear
I mean that's true
wary cove
It's one of those things that seems like something someone would do to pad their contributions
Like hey look at all these pages I made
But the pages have almost nothing to them
hollow jasper
It's not like that's the only thing Ireuno has done.
He's also made a fair number of minor edits too.
The number one rule of wiki editing is to be bold. Go ahead - make changes. Other people can correct any mistakes you make, so have confidence, and give it a try! There are all kinds of editing conventions, rules, and philosophies for the editing of wiki pages, but the be bold rule is the most important of these!
From the MediaWiki Wiki.
gritty bear
I'm just glad someone's edited a lot, even if it's not mega important stuff on the to-do list
shell frigate
There is still a few more creatures to add to the Damage resistances list, I'm going through them now
Also turns out creatures spawned by Mixer integration have more health
And for some reason Praetorian's spawned by Mixer are counted as small enemies for damage resistance proposes
gritty bear
oh that's weird
shell frigate
They also get less health than normal too
Guess it's as they spawn 3
No, wait, mixed files, It's mixed spawned dreadnoughts that get -10% health
Mixer spawned Praetorians get +60% Health
Not sure who filled out the enemies, but hope it was not on guess work
As the Glyphid Bulk Detonator is not classed a Extra Large enemy but just a large one
grand flame
i couldnt find "EnemyHealthScaling":"EEnemyHealthScaling::LargeEnemy"
and only saw "CreatureSize":"ECreatureSize::Huge" for dread and bulk
was it the ENE file that shows it?
shell frigate
ENE_Spider_ExploderTank
weary sonnet
For the category filling, it was mostly me who did it, based on pixel counting from video analysis when damaging them with a known damage waepon at differents difficulties.
Tried to check the file you mentioned but couldn't serialize it, only got error messages and it failed for that one
shell frigate
You should be able to view the file in a text editor even in .uasset format
It's not the easiest to read but a few details can still be made out
As long as they are strings and not numbers
weary sonnet
I can see the large enemy in the file now, not the easiest to read as you said, but it's there
Still doesn't add up with the tests I did about 3-4 month ago and I don't recall it being changed in the recent patch (didn't tested it at all recently).
I first asumed it to scale like the dreadnough because of it's size so I remember being surprised when I found out it was not the case after testing it.
You mentioned the damage resistance list needed to be updated earlier, in what file are these stored btw? didn't saw these yet.
shell frigate
It's up to date now, but it's in FSD\Content\GameElements\Difficulty\DFC_Haz_X...
E.g. DFC_Haz_05_Lethal.json
weary sonnet
Ah, I mean the elemental resistance, my bad
For the creatures fire/coldโฆ resistance/weakness
shell frigate
That's all done on a creature by creature basis
shell frigate
As you mentioned resistance I had a look in the files and saw a few things there were out of place
Turns out the Autocannon upgrade "Resistance At Full Rate Of Fire"'s actual effect is incoming damage is reduced by 30% when at maximum fire rate
Instead of what they clam in-game "+20% Damage resistance when at maximum fire rate"
trail gust
They told about it in hotfix 7 patch notes. And you can find the actual number in HexZyle's DRG Mod Analysis.
steel hollow
@gritty bear i did the perks, assignments and equip on the how to play page
gritty bear
niiice finally!
steel hollow
also, why is this article marked as stub ๐
gritty bear
yeah it shouldn't be a stub anymore
alpine marsh
How do you guys go about getting the exact numbers for stuff
shell frigate
Mainly extracting the details from game code / files
But you can sometimes get it from testing
alpine marsh
How'd you get it from the code
shell frigate
By decompiling the exe
elfin salmon
Is it common practice to give like gameplay advice on the wiki?
Just seems like it could cause issues since the wiki is supposed to be 100% factual.
And gameplay advice can easily be subjective.
For example:
"Upgrades to clip size and damage are the best options, as these let the Scout keep pumping out damage without pause." - Scout page M1000
elfin salmon
Exactly, I don't think that should be on the wiki page.
craggy wraith
Some wikis have a page dedicated to Tips & Tricks or stuff like that
elfin salmon
There's a difference between saying:
You can use the axes to cancel fall damage
This is what build you should us
Sure, you can list the breakpoints of builds (although that could be information bloat) you shouldn't be saying one build is best unless it's literally better in every regard.
grand flame
that was the gk2 though
yeah when i looked over this page, that section was questionable
elfin salmon
"Choose upgrades which buff Focus Mode to turn the gun into a long-range sniper rifle, or upgrades which increase stability and clip size for a potent mid-range rifle with surprising mobility."
"It can seriously damage Praetorians in just two shots" (about the boomstick)
"Use it in conjunction with the M1000 Classic in order to make up for the M1000's lackluster close range effectiveness."
grand flame
that part was originally something like "can kill a praetorian in 2 shots"
elfin salmon
It's nowhere close now, in the current update.
But this entire page for scout at the bottom here is presenting itself as fact.
shell frigate
^That's really not right to have on the wiki page
elfin salmon
When in reality it's completely subjective.
shell frigate
As it's gone from option stuff to incorrect facts
grand flame
yeah should be changed
elfin salmon
I just think there should be very little room for telling someone in flat terms:
This is how you play or this is the build you use when it's subjective. Unless it's literally bullet proof advice.
Sticking to this is what you can do, or this is the breakpoints you can meet is far better. The wording is pretty important to.
shell frigate
There is also the issue of what load outs are good varies heavily on hazard level (& sometimes Mutators)
So there is not really a good way to package that kind of info for a wiki, more suited to a steam guide
elfin salmon
I think most of the tips /tricks stuff is fine on the wiki.
There's a few qutoes that are problematic however.
As I said telling people what breakpoints, or quirks about the weapon they can exploit isn't a bad idea. Anyway ranting over gonna play vidya
shell frigate
Added details for swarmers bite attack
But realized it was going to be super tedious doing the damage scaling for it
It's a 4*5 table of numbers for every. single. attack.
So made a template that somehow actually works and only needs the base damage number
Also means if damage scaling numbers ever change all attacks that have been added using it can be updated instantly by just changing the template
This is done with only {{Creature Attack |name=Bite Attack |damageAmount=2 }}
shell frigate
I've done a similar thing with health scaling and even implemented it on the main creature page
(Don't worry they start collapsed)
I edited the Creature Cell template, it now needs health to be just a number, and has two new things hazSize = (Normal, Large or Extra Large) for using the right Health Scaling table and Shield just for the Dreadnaught
hollow jasper
I think we could probably consolidate all those into a single Template:Creature_health_table instead of seven separate health table templates.
gritty bear
scout was the mostly problematic one
again, ya'll could've easily fixed it while complaining about hints 
shell frigate
Can consolidate them into one template, the main issue for doing such was that it is a hard thing to test so may make pages using it look a massive mess till it's perfected
Also one issue this may cause is that the template may become a challenge for anyone to edit as the only way to combine 7 different outputs will not look pretty in the source
shell frigate
Looks like due to the special characters using in making tables it breaks parser functions
So in short it's impossible to have all the templates be moved into one
hollow jasper
Oh yea, I remember running into that issue before.
shell frigate
But it's possible to make a single template that can then use all of the others
So only one needs to be called by an editor
shell frigate
New template, https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Creature_Health, now this is the only one that ever needs to be called (It calls the relevant one for you)
Also added Usage guide in discussion page
{{Creature Health
|health=[Base Health Number]
|hazSize=(Normal/Large/Extra Large)*Normal by default, See [[Difficulty Scaling]] for what this should be
|mini=(True)*False by default
|shield=[Base Shield Health Number]*Only for Dreadnoughts
}}
E.g. {{Creature Health |health=1000 |hazSize=Extra Large |mini=True }}```You can add documentation to the template itself
shell frigate
I should do it that way then
hollow jasper
Once the relevant doc page is created, you can insert {{doc}} into the main template, after a <noinclude> tag obviously.
I have a couple of ideas to make a true single template work, not really urgent, but I'll tinker around with it more later.
shell frigate
Have added the documentation
Feel free to try tinker with it to try make one, hopefully there is a way
lost ivy
I was just about to ask whether there was a spreadsheet somewhere showing Glyphid damage profiles across hazard levels. Many thanks to everyone contributing to this.
Are these values found out through trial and error, or is there source code for the game that can be perused?
e.g. I'm interested in seeing what the damage is on the Plasma Charger's Unstable Containment Field, but that info isn't in-game (or on the wiki yet)
shell frigate
The attack base is just 2 for swarmers
Different player numbers and hazard level change damage in a set way
lost ivy
Aye, got that; these are good tables
Do you know if these are found out through trial and error, or if there's a repository of source code for the game somewhere?
grand flame
i added the unique mod damage numbers for https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Experimental_Plasma_Charger
lost ivy
Many thanks!
Might I ask how you found the damage numbers? (I'm probably going to be looking around a lot, and if there's a repository of source code I could look through... could just start looking through that and perhaps putting it on the wiki)
grand flame
theres no source code available, you can either do trial and error or dig through the games files
lost ivy
Ah, the game files are dig-through-able; good to know!
Time to do some spelunking and figure out where there's readable code.
...Hmm. Might I ask how e.g. the health tables were found?
Recursively grepping for 'containment' and other keywords in steamapps/common/Deep Rock Galactic/* isn't getting me much; I'm guessing that either there's a decompiler I need to run or I'm looking in the wrong area... hm.
gritty bear
well I got most of the base health values from a developer and just ran it through the damage resistance multipliers we already have
lost ivy
Gotcha. Do you recall where we got the damage resistance multipliers?
shell frigate
Base health is in ENE_enemyCodeName.uasset/.uexp files
But they are packed up in the big .pak file
Damage resistance scaling came from the difficulty files also in the .pak file
Unless you mean weak points etc.
Which are in the enemy files
lost ivy
I see. [looking around for the .pak file]
I've found a few like devtools_resources but I'm not sure that's the one.
Ah, found FSD-WindowsNoEditor.pak at 1GB; looks promising.
shell frigate
That's the one
Also the exe can be decompiled but it's not an easy thing to do and the results are not too readable
shell frigate
That's as it's a special unreal engine file
can be extracted using a tool from unreal engine files or third party ones
lost ivy
Gotcha; looking around for an extractor. (Many thanks!)
Not sure if the tool from unreal engine files is included here somewhere, but Google's getting a few extractors.
shell frigate
Well you can just get Unreal engine, it's free
lost ivy
It looks like I'm on the right track. Again, many thanks!
grand flame
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Creatures&action=edit some of the creature images are missing
grand flame
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Spitball_Infector the health for spitball seems to be wrong also, what was it before
trail gust
yeah it has up to 1200 hp
shell frigate
The health values seemed to be duplicates of the section before, changed them to original values
- added health for nexus eyes
gritty bear
shell frigate
Uploaded images of Naedocyte Breeder, Naedocyte Roe, Naedocyte Hatchling & Q'ronar Youngling
Now only missing Huuli Hoarder image on creatures page
shell frigate
Finally got a Huuli Hoarder, so now no more missing images
thorny sand
this is probably a better icon for the accessories page on the homepage
fits it better. If someone could extract it from the pak, I'd appreciate it
gritty bear
wary cove
Combine it with the beard one maybe
thorny sand
he looks annoyed.
crystal ivy
Hey folks. I'm looking to replace some of the dwarf portraits with frogs, for... science. I found how to unpack the .pak file with DRG resources but i cant understand how to open uasset files in the Unreal Editor
I also dont know which ones I should be looking for
gritty bear
I don't really know how to mod the game, I think it has something to do with re-packing the game with replaced files? idk
wait wait.. are you the same guy?
frozen edge
... Deep Frog Galactic?
crystal ivy
Deep Frog Galactic!
Frog and Ponds, brother!
@swift echo yes I am frog
I figure I'll need to repack, the main issue isn't handling the .pak but the .uassets files inside :/
@frozen edge well technically I do plan on making management a toad
frozen edge
You seem Kermitted to the task.
crystal ivy
I will hop above any hurdle on the way
Well, that's what I tell myself but I've spent several hours trying to figure out why assets dont show up and trying to open the project despite plugins not building
I should probably stop breaking DRG, but, FROGS
This will be my scout
frozen edge
I know @versed aurora has done it.
versed aurora
Extract whole .pak file so extracted files are properly placed in game folder. Use UE 4.21, create new project "FSD", recreate folder structure for files you want to replace, add modded non .uasset,.uexp files into project, cook files without packaging, replace original .uasset .uexp with new ones. Textures and images may have extra .ubulk file but it will work fine
I know this is not clear instruction
use Unreal Asset Viewer to see and extract what you want to modify
crystal ivy
@versed aurora thanks! Is Unreal Asset Viewer part of the Unreal Engine download through Epic Store?
The #1 problem I have is I dont understand where to find and open / edit / create assets in this bloody app
Right, so i have to make my own assets and replace them, thanks
versed aurora
Should be something like this
crystal ivy
Gotcha, I got some help just now in my DMs
so i'm very very happy to announce that this happened: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/788615407622682290/836B179EA13D17DC710EBA13E3682B4B155C3F11/
noble ember
๐
alpine marsh
How would you open it to just be able to read the stats of stuff
versed aurora
Ok, how about moving from wiki related chat room to somewhere else?
crystal ivy
Yeh, I'll stop spamming this channel. Sorry for the noise and thanks for your help Vooker!
versed aurora
np
frozen edge
alpine marsh
lit
neon briar
Noice
crystal mortar
It looks like the wiki page for resources is missing the scarce bismor for the crystalline caverns
grand flame
fixed
fixed magnite and umanite errors also https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Resources
neon briar
Question, on the wiki i see "huuli hoarder", but i'm looking at in games files where it's named "hooli hoarder", Is there a typo in the string i'm looking at, or is the wiki wrong ?
gritty bear
in-game it's called Huuli Hoarder, either typo or old name
neon briar
thanks tommy
neon briar
Also Tommy, i saw old strings about a monorail, do you have anything on that ? Seems interesting.
gritty bear
monorail? I'll have to look into that
neon briar
Only a few strings about it.
There's also mentions of some sort of barricade/construction, a shield wall (but iirc you talked about in one of your vid already), an old mission type where you add to strap rockets to stacks of minerals, building up a droppod by adding rockets to it
gritty bear
hmm
yeah I know what the shield wall is, you probably saw it in the article
the mission type could've been a very early design of salvage perhaps?
neon briar
2 different missions i think. First one being something close to morkite mission, the other might be an early draft of salvage
I'm curious about how those rockets looked
the ones to send minerals up, and the ones to strap on the dropod
gritty bear
you found these on the latest version of the game?
neon briar
you can sort by length and ignore all the basic game files
trail gust
yeah, it's new mode they're working on
neon briar
Those strings were translated in french a year ago
trail gust
Right before U24 they added plenty of not used strings too
gritty bear
there's always a possibility we may be seeing any of these things in the future, for example the devs have been talking about doing abandoned structures for a while, also there is a folder named "AbandonedMine" in the game files and hey... we are finally getting the closest things to them in update 26!
neon briar
with the machine events ?
gritty bear
ya
neon briar
I thought it was just a totem in the middle of any cave
gritty bear
they called them "abandoned machinery" in the roadmap anyway
neon briar
yep, but i didn't see any architecture around it.
But i hope we will it in the future
grand flame
who is 85.197.40.236
shell frigate
Not sure, that IP range is for Cologne if that helps in any way
neon briar
german hackers ๐
shell frigate
Luckily nothing that bad
Looks like it's just that their additions were not fully up to standards
gritty bear
if you're not logged in you will appear as an IP address in recent changes
grand flame
i know, was asking incase it was someone here
supple musk
shell frigate
The current accessories icon on the main page feels a little blurry
(not surprising given it's only 96^2 pixels)
Tried my hand at making a higher rez version, but it's not perfect
neon briar
looks perfect to me at least
neon briar
the curve on the side of the mustache ?
shell frigate
Yeah that's the main bit that's off
neon briar
good enough frankly
shell frigate
Can upload it to the wiki, but what licensing/copyright would it come under?
While I did make the file, it's a bit too close to stuff from the game for me to set as that (at least I assume that's the case)
wary cove
It's the game's official wiki, I doubt that would be an issue.
craggy wraith
The licensing is the one that says "this is from the game or official website" or {{Copyright game}}
Usually not an issue yeah, but it's good practice to do that
shell frigate
Yeah, I kept the licencing as is when I uploaded it on Monday
Guess someone posting and deleting the message here restarted the conversation
shell frigate
Payout details (XP & Gold) for primary and secondary objectives should be fully up to date everywhere in the wiki now
gritty bear
uhh where did you exactly get those primary payout values?
shell frigate
Game files and end game stats screen
gritty bear
that's really bad then, they are completely out of sync with the mission terminal
should be reported to the devs
shell frigate
The Mining Expedition's are a little off as it's rounded from a 10 digit decimal number
But all the other missions are 100% spot on
Also should be noted these values are before hazard bonus is applied
gritty bear
the payout shown on mission terminal are supposed to be before hazard bonus
shell frigate
I'll have a look at them now try work out how the mission terminal is getting vlaues
Look like it's adding the Hazard bonus from Mission length and Cave Complexity (+0% - +40%)
gritty bear
ohh that makes sense
๐
because it's impossible to avoid those bonuses, maybe the wiki should treat them the same way?
shell frigate
We could do that but then anyone wanting to work out how much it pays out at a certain hazard would need to first reverse that
gritty bear
but otherwise mission payouts end up with a lot of the same values on the table, the no hazard bonus rewards should still be mentioned but separately
also morkite scaling could be a leftover from the older versions or it's just that the mining missions have so much variation just the regular hazard bonus doesn't cut it
shell frigate
Still not sure if it's intentional
Either that it has that scaling or that none of the others do
sly grove
i added bet-c spawnchances to https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/BET-C
its 3% for haz1 and 6% for the rest
fast phoenix
trail gust
Seeing great changes on wiki, awesome work guys, keep it up!
tranquil hazel
Lore of mule?
gritty bear
l o r e t e r m i n a l
craggy wraith
New achievements are up on the wiki
gritty bear
good
please don't make any additions from experimental branch, only do it when the update is live on the public branch
craggy wraith
Ah, alright
gritty bear
the achievements kinda don't count since they are visible to everyone, don't worry about that
shell frigate
Added new Mutator icons and replaced existing ones (128x128 -> 256x256)
Also moved mention of new mutators to discussion page of missions
shell frigate
Also added 16 new icons for drinks that showed up in the files
They can be found in https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Old_and_Unused#Misc_Gallery if anyone is interested
hollow jasper
I actually deliberately downscaled all the mutator icons when I originally uploaded them, but I can't remember why anymore.
I think it was before I realised Gamepedia auto-generates resized versions of images, so filesize isn't much of a concern.
Do we want to add the unused drink labels to Category:Drink_label_icons? Or should we keep them separate until they're actually used in-game.
gritty bear
Hahaha the icons still leaked out
shell frigate
I put them in Old and unused simply as that's where the other unused Drink icons were, but makes sense for them all to be in Drink label icons too
craggy wraith
Could put them in both
shell frigate
Ended up doing that
shell frigate
@gritty bear Realise now from your edits that the payout numbers that you added that the mission terminal gives are completely wrong other than for 3/3 missions
gritty bear
I have realized that as well
shell frigate
Maths I used to check: a 2/3 Point extract supposedly gives 585 which to adjust to Haz two should give 810 ((585/1.3)*1.8) but it does not, it gives 1170 which is in line with the base value I gave (650 * 1.8)
Really have no idea what the mission terminal is doing to get it's numbers
But definitely a bug
gritty bear
it might be the case like with mining expedition, the base value changes as the objective gets bigger?
shell frigate
Does not seem so as I originally checked the values were right using mission completion screens
I screenshot every one I get so had plenty of each mission variation to look back on
cerulean cypress
All the stat changes for weapons are on my patch history spreadsheet
It's a bit more accurate than the patch notes as those commonly have incorrect info and don't give numbers
Though the wording that I use on mine is a bit different (being shorthand) and occaisionally has concealed stats
grand flame
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Update_25:_Endgame_-_Part_1 this person just copy pasta
cerulean cypress
Well it's ugly, but it's a start
trail gust
Well, there were some mistakes even in your spreadsheet, HexZyle
I was literally comparing what's in patch-notes, what's in your spreadsheet and what's in the experimental build
And only then writing actual patch notes
gusty heath
Hey, i wanted to ask, is there a list of the overclocks on the wiki or something?
gusty heath
ty โค
lone sonnet
I got a quick question. what I'm getting by that conversation below post about unused drink images is that those are unused beacuse they aren't yet implemented and are leaks of new content. am I right?
shell frigate
I just found them in the files so uploaded them, not 100% sure if they will get added but it does seem likely
As there is references to unlocking beer recipes in the current overclock system
lone sonnet
so endgame beer.
nice
distant hamlet
Extra sugar on the rim!
gritty bear
I know why they are there, dont know if I can reveal tho
Shall I do a shitty riddle?
lone sonnet
yeah why not
raw wing
when i'm not bogged with doing a wiki merger for BFH i'll see if i can give some wiki stuff here a spitshine
shell frigate
Added Parasites, with images
They are quite odd in using the Extra large enemy health scaling
analog leaf
little typo here
shell frigate
Thanks for pointing it out , have fixed it
hollow jasper
@grand flame I made your Template:Icon_Upgrade_Overclock lowercased for consistency with the other icon templates.
shell frigate
New page up; https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Cargo_Crates
gritty bear
thanks ya'll for working on the wiki, I believe I truly am semi-retired wiki editor these days
shell frigate
Happy to help, It's nice to use my hobby of breaking apart games for some good in filling a wiki
frozen edge
btw I changed the bit that said Dedicated Servers are coming in an update at some point - it's not off the table, it's just not something that's actually decided we'd do.
gritty bear
improve the P2P lag then
frozen edge
git gud at internet tommeh
frozen edge
@jaunty cradle Tommeh needs to git gud internet
jaunty cradle
I mean, your both not wrong.
gritty bear
ah yes you need 100mb/s internet to play DRG properly I forgot
neon briar
2gb/s or go play minesweeper
frozen edge
feck, I only have 400mbit
neon briar
@frozen edge enjoy
https://assets.rockpapershotgun.com/images/2018/09/ys28fd6a6tuz.png/RPSS/resize/760x-1/format/jpg/quality/90
shell frigate
As it always should have been
thorny sand
We're old wiki editors now
We have to press the keys on our keyboards with walking sticks. This is why we're so unproductive
golden bone
what is that?
wary cove
@golden bone battery for a crate nearby to where you found it
neon briar
Do not lick the battery
golden bone
@wary cove ah ok thank you and can that crate be burried because i dont find it
wary cove
it might be under the goo
neon briar
it can also be behind a wall
wary cove
goo hides stuff from time to time
neon briar
it's a 30m radius
golden bone
cant find it, there is soo much goo
short cloud
Would be cool if you could burn or freeze the goo to make it disappear, a bit like ice will melt under any fire effect
grand flame
the u25 stat changes should now be up to date for gear at least; clip size should be renamed to magazine size but thats a lot of editing
craggy wraith
You could get a bot to do that if anyone knows how to set that up
Or ask on the gamepedia/fandom discord?
shell frigate
Gamepedia is built on media wiki
And there is an Extension that can do mass find and replacement of text
Looked into it a bit more, most uses of it stemmed from a single temple so just changed that
Note due to it coming from a template the search function will still believe many pages contain "clip size" for a while when in fact they don't
thorny sand
Darn, I forgot to save the deep dive descriptions for each region
The one for sandblasted is something like "Sandstorms are a nessecary evil, they can shred a dwarf to their bones but also shape precious enor pearls"
shell frigate
"Sand storms are a necessary evil. They can peel a dwarf to his bones, but also shape precious Enor Pearls."
shell frigate
Had a look in the files for all the quotes
Here are all the ones from that section of strings (so may be some lines from other things)
"Ah, go boil yer heads, both of yeh."
"And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts. And I looked, and behold a pale horse. And his name that sat on him was death, and hell followed with him."
"Beardcicles."
"Bringing extra explosives on a Magma Core run seemed like a good idea at the time."
"Damn allergies."
"Even in the coldest depths of Hoxxes IV, life finds a way."
"Everything the radiation doesn't kill, it makes stronger."
"Give it time and the Fungus grows on you."
"Greenbeards passing through the Magma tunnels, leave behind their scruples and a decent amount of skin."
"I've never had a bad experience digging straight down."
"If diamonds are a dwarf's best friend, this is like a family reunion for very distant cousins."
"In this cold wastland, the frost is not the only thing biteing you."
"Is it just me, or are the glyphids bigger here?"
"It burns! It buuurns!"
"It was a paradise for fungus, but a green hell for Dwarves!"
"More dwarves have gone to the bogs to never be seen again than anyone would like to admit."
"Sand storms are a necessary evil. They can peel a dwarf to his bones, but also shape precious Enor Pearls."
"Shh! You hear that?"
"Shouldn't we be wearing protective suits?"
"So... thirsty..."
"Some cool quote goes here, because that's cool."
"The coral shaped terrain was a perfect place for adventure and death by fall!"
"The greatest danger is not the cold, it's the slipping!"
"The heat should make it impossible for anything to live here... and yet there are monsters everywhere."
"The sand is said to hide more than aggressive wildlife."
"The sticky ground caused many failed expeditions."
"The walls have eyes...!"
"There's plants here I didn't even know I'd hate."
"These wonderous crystals is a sight to behold, but any stories of their value is naught but a tall tale."
"Watch out for the sharp edges!"
"Where chandeliers go to die."
"While I love the feeling of sand between my toes... the boots stay on because I also love having toes."
"Urgh, the sand gets in everything."
thorny sand
I hate sand. It's coarse and rough
thorny sand
Whoever designed those beer logos did a really good job
upbeat marten
its coarse and rough and it gets everywhere
simple mesa
@gritty bear I'm gonna submit a new view on the Equipment page, the actually is so huge (+18s of scrolling to get an overview).
This page is a portail you should have quick access and view to all equipment, then click on them if you want details.
shell frigate
Sounds a nice change
gritty bear
I'd like to see the outcome
shell frigate
Quite compact but don't like the space of the 4th column on all but first rows
But that can be fixed
simple mesa
Well there is only 3 grenade, if you split you will have a 2-2-3-3 instead of 4-3-3
simple mesa
Can't make the 3rd-rows-type more equals?
shell frigate
Will give it a try before pushing anything
That was just a quick making sure it's possible
simple mesa
The idea was really to make it compact, the previous was overwhelming of information, if you want details just click on one. Here a new player can in a eye see the whole equipment or get detailed information faster with a click
shell frigate
This look good?
simple mesa
Yup that's the one
shell frigate
Alright will edit the other tables and push the edit
simple mesa
but if you look at the flamer it's not equal to the other
shell frigate
Huh, will fix that
Gamepedia really wants one of the boxs to be off, either the Flamethrower of the Satchel Charge
simple mesa
if you look closer it's the flamer and experimental
problem is that if we pick the satchel it's look too weird for the grenades
keep like that and push when you can I will take a look too ๐
shell frigate
Okay, by being selective with setting widths it seems to be fine
Just looks a little odd in the source but that's fine
simple mesa
well maybe it would look better into a 2-2-3-3 ๐ค a bit less compact but will look better
shell frigate
Can give it a try
simple mesa
So we just need to wait new weapons and it will be a perfect 3-3-3-3 ๐
shell frigate
simple mesa
yes, just tweak the table width and it would be nice good
shell frigate
simple mesa
whats the setting there?
simple mesa
we could even 40 imo
shell frigate
simple mesa
Experimental Plasma is one of the larger name it still fit
yes good to me
Btw there was a height table setting to make the cellule more confortable, with that 2-2-3-3 it might be useless since offset
shell frigate
Yeah, only way to do it really
craggy sentinel
Just checked on mobile: soooo much nicer. Well done. 
shell frigate
Glad it works well on mobile
thorny sand
DRG Twitter gave you a shout-out tommy
gritty bear
great job with the new equipment table!
shell frigate
After the Equipment clean up, Thought about doing something with the creatures page
For now it's just making all the cells align
gritty bear
until each have their own full articles I don't think much should be done, besides like you said - alignment
shell frigate
Other are free to weight in but personally I think it's a big improvement from
Do plan to make a page for each
Just need to get data for some creatures still for that
weary sonnet
Mostly missing damage from their attacks and elemental resistances if any I think.
Most of the info we got on resistances are pretty old and may not be true anymore or donโt match what we can see in the gamefiles like for the qโronars.
cerulean cypress
I don't mind testing enemy attack damage, which ones do you need?
shell frigate
I think most attack values are obtainable from the files, though would be nice to get them verified from In-Game testing
The hardest values to get are resistances
weary sonnet
Tried to regroup info about resistances from what the devs posted in the other wiki channel (assuming no resistance when they mentionned a creature without saying anything by saying the resistance value for the next one) here is what I got:
Unlisted = Not mention on this creature by devs when it comes to weakness/resistances
Glyphid Grunt: None
Glyphid Grunt Guard: None
Glyphid Grunt Slasher: None
Glyphid Bulk Detonator: 50% explosive res
Glyphid Dreadnought (Shell): 50% explosive, fire and electrical res
Glyphid Dreadnought (Life): 50% explosive, fire and electrical res
Glyphid Warden: None
Q'ronar Shellback: -70% cold , -50% fire (weakness)
Q'ronar Youngling: -70% cold , -50% fire (weakness)
Xynarch Charge-Sucker (BET-C): 80% explosive res
Nayaka Trawler: -100 cold, -100% fire (weakness)
Huuli Hoarder: 80% electric res
shell frigate
Now that's a nice big list
weary sonnet
Most of it may be outdated
shell frigate
Will have to try check if the values match the files
Easier to check if something is a value rather than find out what it is
weary sonnet
and I belive some fire weaness (I though mactera were weak to fire, and maybe grunts, but didnโt find any mention of it) are missing at the very least, but that could be a starting point
shell frigate
Yeah
weary sonnet
Have yet to see a plasma, melee, kinetic weakness, but these types may exist as well.
carmine dune
I noticed the wiki page makes no note of enemies that can't be frozen
weary sonnet
Shooting range would help so much to tests these, esp on rare spawn creatures.
shell frigate
Sure would
grand flame
im gonna test the resistances in that list
shell frigate
Resistance numbers from the files (When rolling):
Q'ronar Shellback: 1.0 cold , 0.8 fire, 1.0 Electric, 0.8 Explosion
Q'ronar Youngling: 1.0 cold , 0.8 fire, 0.75 Electric, 0.75 Explosion
Not sure how they translate
grand flame
just tested dreadnaught electrical resistance and its 20%, unless solo has a different resistance value
weary sonnet
Should be the same for health and shell and for any difficulty
shell frigate
Dreadnaughts have some level of Electric, Explosion & Fire Resistance
grand flame
I forgot to take into account the 200% Weakpoint bonus of the dread; the elec resistance turns out to be 60%
explosive resistance turns out to be 40%
weary sonnet
200% weakpoint only apply to the health, shell isnโt a weakpoint in case you tested it againt the shell as well
grand flame
no i didnt test shield, but overkilling the shield will translate a rough maximum of 100 damage to actual health
weary sonnet
Just tested with impact axe vs shell, no weakness or resistance.
So one more value that doesnโt match what we were told (well the info were quite old).
No weakness/resistance for melee either
shell frigate
Not surprised the values have changed
weary sonnet
Is the first axe dmg melee or explosive type?
axe is 160 + 80 electric dmg from what I understand, but the first part seems to be reduced vs dreadnough health
shell frigate
It has three different damage components
{
"export_type": "DamageComponent",
"DamageComponentType": "EDamageComponentType::Secondary",
"Damage": 75.0,
"ArmorDamageMultiplier": 0.25,
"DamageClass": "DMG_Physical",
"WeakpointDamageMultiplier": 0.0,
"FriendlyFireModifier": 0.5,
"StaggerChance": 1.0,
"RadialDamage": 80.0,
"RadialDamageClass": "DMG_Explosive",
"MinDamagePct": 0.15,
"DamageRadius": 140.0,
"MaxDamageRadius": 80.0
}, {
"export_type": "DamageComponent",
"Damage": 110.0,
"ArmorDamageMultiplier": 0.25,
"DamageClass": "DMG_Physical",
"WeakpointDamageMultiplier": 0.0,
"FriendlyFireModifier": 0.5,
"StaggerChance": 1.0,
"UseAreaOfEffect": true,
"RadialDamage": 80.0,
"RadialDamageClass": "DMG_Explosive",
"MinDamagePct": 0.15,
"DamageRadius": 140.0,
"MaxDamageRadius": 80.0
}, {
"export_type": "DamageComponent",
"DamageComponentType": "EDamageComponentType::Secondary",
"Damage": 50.0,
"ArmorDamageMultiplier": 0.25,
"DamageClass": "DMG_Physical",
"WeakpointDamageMultiplier": 0.0,
"FriendlyFireModifier": 0.5,
"RadialDamage": 80.0,
"RadialDamageClass": "DMG_Explosive",
"MinDamagePct": 0.15,
"DamageRadius": 140.0,
"MaxDamageRadius": 80.0
}```That explains why axe kills do not always generate vampirism
I suspect melee attacks fall prey to the same bug
lone sonnet
a question: is it documented anywhere that a Dreadnought can spawn instead of a swarm during a normal mission?
tranquil hazel
People say it can and is just a rare occasion
lament vale
yes it can, but I havent seen one in ages, there will be a unique mission control warning along of the line "Something big is coming"
weary sonnet
Got a dreadnought spawn instead of a swarm for the elite deep dive 2. So it can still happen for sure.
shell frigate
It has a 1 in 76 chance of happening
Of any scripted waves being a dreadnought
Scripted waves are the ones with custom Mission control lines
tranquil hazel
Why tf did i never get random dreads before... Ahem.
tranquil hazel
Wait so how do I know which of the waves are scripted
What does this mean exactly
shell frigate
Well if mission control say something like, a pack of praetorians is coming your way
Then it's a scripted wave
tranquil hazel
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Okay thanks
lone sonnet
1 in 76?
...
I saw one yesterday and my time was at the moment 76 hours
weary sonnet
@wet gyro what did you use to test the electric resistance? Canโt get anything using the impact axe.
Got all other resistances on the dreadnought I think.
So far for the Dreadnought:
With shell on: no resistance/weakness for fire, cold, explosive, plasma or melee.
Without shell: 20% Fire res, no Cold res, 40% explosive res, 30% plasma res, no melee res.
I wasnโt able to test electric res properly.
grand flame
i dont think impact axes have electric damage at all. I used stubby and modified it for high electric damage
weary sonnet
Well their description say itโs electric dmg, but from what I see, itโs 110+50 melee dmg + 80 explosive dmg indeed.
grand flame
must have been part of the old descriptions that were never updated
weary sonnet
Didnโt want to use the stubby because of the low electric dmg and randomness of the proc that makes the test harder, well Iโll have to do with it I guess.
Thanks for answering.
weary sonnet
As expected no electric res with shell and I was able to confirm Spirit value of 60% electric res without shell.
Shell: No resistances
Health:
Fire: 20%
Cold: 0%
Electric: 60%
Explosive: 40%
Plasma: 30%
Melee: 0%
whats plasma
carmine dune
So the BC/EPC and plasma buster have their own damage type?
weary sonnet
Counted EPC as plasma, normal attack got a different modifier than the rest
And a part of the charged attack
Hence my deduction it was a new type that I called plasma
Charged attack is a mix of fire and plasma (area damage is fire, direct damage is plasma)
Didnโt tried BC or Engineer grenades at all.
cerulean cypress
So if it's a unique type to the EPC's direct hits call it "grape" for now :P
simple mesa
I started changed the logic of each weapon table because on a wiki you want fast fact and the actual logical reading line was tiring to read, example:
Before:
High Capacity Tanks | The good thing about clips, magazines, ammo drums, fuel tanks... You can always get bigger variants. | +25 Tank Size
Now:
High Capacity Tanks | +25 Tank Size | The good thing about clips, magazines, ammo drums, fuel tanks... You can always get bigger variants.
carmine dune
In https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Assignments they stopped updating the weekly assignments back in July, is there still a point in keeping the list of the first 18 weekly assignments?
simple mesa
No it could been cleaned with an example and say it's random each week, keeping record don't seem useful too
gritty bear
yeah I completely missed week 19 so I stopped
I thought of doing a separate page where we'd be keeping a history of weekly assignments but clearly it's too late now
simple mesa
fixed
Don't seem necessary, the stats collect do show mineral rewards are between 80/130 it's nice to have
gritty bear
yeah we should just keep the existing ones as an example, maybe collapse that table by default tho
wait why are table widths at 60%
keep them to 100%, consider the ones with tiny monitors please
simple mesa
it's looks good on 1080
gritty bear
cause this is what they will see
simple mesa
what is your resolution
simple mesa
this is on my 1080 screen
shell frigate
Yeah not the best look on a phone
simple mesa
I get it, it's just looks huge on computer
gritty bear
it does, but we should go for optimization
~30% of our visitors are on mobile/tablet
simple mesa
on my 1440p screen it's like 40 cm of eyes movement for the full information..
that's why I also changed the logic of the weapons mods table
gritty bear
yeah the new table logic will be good for larger monitors
I have dual 1080ps
of course it would be great to have something that detects screen size and automatically changes width somehow
shell frigate
Can set it to a pixel width
gritty bear
we could but I feel like it would have similar issues
shell frigate
True
simple mesa
at least a width px is locked and don't squeeze
shell frigate
Could do something like an em width, so it adjusted based on text size
simple mesa
em better than px?
weary sonnet
To make a different width for mobile and desktop, it shoud be possible, do we have access to the css files or just to templates?