It would complicate a few things further
#wiki-related-chatroom
half pawn
tranquil hazel
^
Seems like an unnecessary way to hide information, plus you end up with a bunch of different things that are all under a same article instead of being in their respective categories.
If you just put things in the correct category but use some kind of experimental indicator, it keeps everything easy to find and also spreads awareness of the experimental branch existing.
If anything it would encourage people to try it out
half pawn
That's what I've been thinking aswell
hollow jasper
Like this?
tranquil hazel
Something like that, but with a different term to Beta, in following the established names
half pawn
EXPM seems good to me. Not too long, comprehensible, and to the point
hollow jasper
hollow jasper
Experimental - latest dev build
half pawn
Won't people confuse Exp for experience?
hollow jasper
The same could be said for EXPM
half pawn
Expermience?
hollow jasper
I'd hope that when given context, it wouldn't be confused though
opal locust
ExpDevBuild
half pawn
With that you could just write Experimental
opal locust
Or just DevBuild
half pawn
It mustn't be too long, that's the thing
hollow jasper
tranquil hazel
Why though
opal locust
Meh... How many letters can it be?
half pawn
If it's too long It'd look bulky
tranquil hazel
Just calling it 'Experimental' would be the same length or shorter than many of these options that we're looking at
gritty bear
how could EXP be confused for experience when it's next to a name anyway
tranquil hazel
Because EXP means experience
hollow jasper
All of these suggestions have been shorter or equal to Experimental, actually
half pawn
Well, people who are unfamilliar with this kind of thing could confuse it
half pawn
Which is why I'd rule those out
tranquil hazel
Why though
gritty bear
I know what exp means in most games
half pawn
I've already told you, they're too long; I'd look bad
We could also just come up with an abstract symbol and use that instead
tranquil hazel
That's a subjective aesthetic decision though, not an actual barrier
opal locust
Experimental is a temporary thing anyways though so why does it matter if it "looks bad"?
tranquil hazel
A few of the options in the screenshot are fairly lengthy and it's not like it's a critical usability breakdown
tranquil hazel
I see the idea, but I think Experimental is just a really awkward word to shorten
hollow jasper
How about we ditch words altogether and just use a visual icon
tranquil hazel
It doesn't co-operate
tranquil hazel
I think that might go back to confusing people though
Does it have an icon associated with it?
half pawn
Well, there's that purple face on the banner
Although it might look unrecognizable when scaled down
In all cases, I'd say the emblem used should link to the Experimental Wiki Page
So incase someone is confused by it, they can just click it and see what it's about
hollow jasper
tranquil hazel
I played around with the face a bit and it's not recognisable. The little Settings cog seems okay though
If a bit vanilla
hollow jasper
Already used to represent itself
tranquil hazel
Is the tesseract icon used on the wiki itself?
half pawn
I like how you called it Tesseract
hollow jasper
Yes, to represent itself
tranquil hazel
What page is that on
hollow jasper
Currently, its own page, and the Resources navbar template
And the resource icon image insertion template
tranquil hazel
Ahh, I see
hollow jasper
Actually, now that the Mutator/Warning icons got updated, we could use one of the old ones
tranquil hazel
I suppose using an ore to represent a dev branch would be a bit confusing, especially if that ore stopped being a mystery thing and turned into an actual standard resource
That looks swanky
hollow jasper
Anyway, I'll work on a template later, I'm going to bed.
tranquil hazel
I like the big red octagon with the pickaxe on it
It's both a red warning sign and a work in progress sign
half pawn
That yellow hammer icon also looks suitable
tranquil hazel
Yeah
tranquil hazel
Both looking plausible
half pawn
I also like the red exclamation point, although that one is admittedly less suitable
gritty bear
there would be a footnote explaining it anyway
hollow jasper
@wary cove Not sure if you made any progress on the Wiki admin stuff, but I was looking around the Gamepedia Help wiki and it looks like regular Wiki admins/Wiki Guardians can't assign roles anyway. Only users with the Bureaucrats role can do so, of which our Wiki currently has none. Basically, you have to contact one of the Gamepedia staff members.
wary cove
Fun stuff, I'll have to do that in a day or so. cause right now it's work/b-day time
hollow jasper
Anything else I should include in the resource infobox template?
gritty bear
how would we fill this out for red sugar?
I feel its heal amount would need to be indicated in the infobox as well
dawn laurel
Could specify a range per chunk mined. 10-25 HP, say.
Maybe indicate the average rarity of a mineral in the box, too. Morkite would be fairly common. (Depending on mission type.)
gritty bear
rarity should be added
gritty bear
that looks good
half pawn
Hey, how about for the enemies page we just put the amount of healthbar segments they have for health?
For example: Webspitters have 2, Warriors 5 and Mactera Spawns 12
dawn laurel
That could work. 🤔
If the differences are unique or easily recognizable. (5, 12, 8, etc.)
half pawn
Well, I'd say the diffrences are pretty significant
hollow jasper
It'd be better if we could get exact HP values
Weapons don't deal damage in healthbar segments, after all
half pawn
Maybe, but then again, what are people going to do with exact values?
dawn laurel
May use the suggested method as a placeholder, though.
half pawn
Or both?
hollow jasper
Figure out exactly how much damage it takes to take down certain enemies
half pawn
For exapmle: Glyphid Warrior; 700 health/5 Segments
(700 is just a random value, since we don't know how much they actually have)
hollow jasper
~65-70HP, from my barebones testing on Haz 2 solo
half pawn
Well, the segements was just a suggestion afterall, since those can be easily researched
hollow jasper
Well, if you'd like to start collating them, I can start on the creature infobox after I finish up the resource one.
Might be able to squeeze in an image of each healthbar size as well
half pawn
Sure, go ahead
I don't know all of them yet, but I'm certain on Warrior, Spawn, Web/Acidspitters tho
gritty bear
we should honestly straight up ask the devs for the health values
elfin salmon
Oh
gritty bear
then we could do the rest even if they change the health
gritty bear
or ask them for a hud option to display enemy hp in text
elfin salmon
Health scales differently for each enemey
dawn laurel
Could still include the healthbars somewhere; above or below the main image in the infobox, perhaps.
elfin salmon
We know how the health scales
We can work out the damage they take to find origional health value
It's a bit convulated
gritty bear
driller's pistol deals the least damage
but even then you gotta make sure you dont hit it's shield or weak points
wait.. is the pickaxe able to deal critical damage?
elfin salmon
ye
gritty bear
na it's the same
elfin salmon
This is what Dwarf got for me
the numbers of for amount of players
The value is the multiplier
And this is on hazard 2
hollow jasper
Gee, that means each enemy has 20 different possible HP values.
Assuming that Haz1 and Haz0 scale their HP down, instead of keeping it the same as Haz2
Otherwise it'd be 12
Actually, does Haz even scale HP values? I'm not sure.
Maybe I'm misremembering
gritty bear
we could try scaling Macter Spawner's hp right now actually
hollow jasper
I would do that, but it's like 2AM, so maybe later.
merry chasm
Small enemies cap at x1.2hp on haz4 regardless of player count
hollow jasper
That would explain why Swamers take 2 hits to kill on Haz4 with the Scout's assault rifle
Would you happen to have any more HP info? Or is that the extent of what you got?
gritty bear
it does take 2 pistol shots of a fully upgraded driller pistol
hollow jasper
If we can get all the multipliers, I can make a template for easy insertion of enemy HP values. Just insert the base value and it'll calculate and display the rest.
merry chasm
sure i'll send you the graph
hollow jasper
Cool, thanks for getting all this for us
merry chasm
dwarven diplomacy!
hollow jasper
I'll work on more templates tomorrow. Hopefully with this new info, we'll be able to determine all the HP values.
hollow jasper
Finished the resource infobox template:
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Resource_infobox
Starting on the health calculation template, and possibly one for inserting health bars too.
elfin salmon
I mean
You could just shoot an enemey once in the armour
Take a screencap after the health has gone down
FInd the length of the red left and the grey
(RED/GREY) X DrilerPistol
gritty bear
I believe suiciders have 18hp on hazard 3
hollow jasper
Should I give it an option to scale by Haz instead of players as well? i.e. You pass 4p, it gives HP values for 4 players in order of Hazard level.
I'm going to add tooltips to it later—after I make a tooltip template—so people can hover over values to see Hazard level.
hollow jasper
Also wondering whether a vertical pipe or a forward slash would be better for separation.
hollow jasper
Tooltips are now available: https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Tooltip
hollow jasper
hollow jasper
After I get around to making its doc page.
Also, if you're planning on applying the table reformatting I made to the Scout upgrades table to the other classes, make sure to leave a space between the icon template and whatever comes after it, otherwise it looks a little weird.
hollow jasper
hollow jasper
Would anyone have any objections to replacing colour scheme in the Biome infobox template with crafting minerals found in that region?
Colour is already reasonably depicted in the preview image anyway, so it seems a bit redundant to include it.
gritty bear
i'm ok with it being changed
bitter ice
im cool with that
gritty bear
we could add in a "biome depth" thing
since some biomes go down as far as 1000 meters and others just 300 meters
hollow jasper
That's an extremely insignificant detail though. That depth doesn't actually do anything.
The "details" box should be reserved for useful information.
half pawn
I'm not entirely sure, but is the Expermimental page a good idea?
I created it for completionism
hollow jasper
If the dev team continues to use it in the future, then I don't see why not.
We can have the little unreleased content icon link to it
To provide more context
half pawn
Right, that's what we discussed earlier
hollow jasper
I've come up with 3 different categories of content notices that I'm planning to make:
Experimental content, which is any content that is exclusive to the Experimental branch.
Unreleased/Upcoming/Unconfirmed content, which is any content that has been shown/described by the dev team, but is not available to the public. (probably shouldn't be on the Wiki anyway, but just in-case we need it)
Cut/Removed/Unused content, which is pretty self explanatory. Any notable content that was added, then subsequently removed from the game.
I think that covers everything
half pawn
Sounds good, but is there any cut content we know about?
half pawn
Ah, okay
hollow jasper
There's some unused stuff that I could put in there too, but I think I'll wait to see if anything is done with it first.
swift lark
I am updating the welcome channel, some of you might get a ping message
gritty bear
yo we'll need some perk icons for an upcoming perk page
merry chasm
tru dat
hollow jasper
I'll do it tomorrow, probably
elfin salmon
Are you going to use the ones in the perks menu?
gritty bear
of course
hollow jasper
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Category:Perk_icons
All that's left to do is a template.
hollow jasper
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Icon_perk
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Perk_points
bitter ice
Adding quotes to each Dwarves page
hollow jasper
Other wikis tend to have a seperate page dedicated to responses/voice lines.
Likely due to the fact that they also include the audio files to preview for each quote too, which would clutter up the main page.
gritty bear
we could have a page dedicated to the voice lines
but we'd need to get the audio files as well
hollow jasper
There's a slight problem with that.
Getting the voicelines is easy enough, but every dwarf uses the same files, just pitched higher or lower.
So we'd have to find out what the pitch change for each class is first, then re-process all their audio with it.
Not impossible--or even super difficult--but certainly an inconvenience
Alternatively, just upload the base voicelines and add a note on each class' voice responses page with how far up/down their lines are pitched in-game.
bitter ice
"Step aside, wimps"
bitter ice
Added aquarq page
bitter ice
does hollomite appear in the point extraction gamemmode?
sick sierra
Goals for milestones progress like this:
Map type milestones: 3->6->12->18->24
Hazard 3+ level milestone: 5->10->15->20->30
Mission type milestones: 2->5->10->15->20
Secondary objective type milestones: 4->8->14->20->26
Primary objectives completed: 10->15->20->30->40->50
Secondary objectives completed: 10->15->20->30->40->30 (probably a bug?)
Rewards are always the same
bitter ice
just completed all the secondary objective materials
bitter ice
WHat are those... things on the side of ressuply pods that are used up when you ressuply them?
the one of four things
they have a name I'm sure, i jsut have no idea what it would be
merry chasm
deposit bin
merry chasm
uh 🤔 Looty Shooty Boxes
tranquil hazel
Lootboxes xD
I'd probably just call them a supply pack or something similar, since they've got no actual name of their own that I'm aware of
merry chasm
clicka-refill ?
bitter ice
Added bittergem and red sugar
the only missing resource pages now are the crafting ones
hollow jasper
On the one hand, the perk tree replica table is pretty cool. On the other, I'm not so sure it's the best way to present it on the wiki. It's awfully large, and the large blank cells at the bottom is a lot of wasted space.
@bitter ice Could you please add edit summaries to future changes you make? It's really hard to figure out what you changed at a glance currently.
Also save the minor edit tag for spelling/grammar fixes, that appears to be the MediaWiki standard.
hollow jasper
Also, leave the Bismor rarity at 3 - Rare. I don't think the difference between 'Scarce' and 'Abundant' is significant enough that a seperate rarity needs to be noted.
bitter ice
okay
hollow jasper
All of the crafting minerals (minus ERR) should be Rare in-fact.
I almost want to replace the Rarity box entirely with something like Abundancy/Quantity. Most minerals have a 100% chance of showing up anyway, just in varying quantities, and depending on mission conditions.
bitter ice
I'll leave that up to you, for now I'll work with what I've got.
bitter ice
all resources are made excluding the mini-mule legs
gritty bear
it still looks fine on smaller resolutions
but anyone's welcome to improve it of course
I'd eliminate the spaces between perk requirements and perk effects if I knew how
bitter ice
@hollow jasper Am I good enough for the wiki editor role daddy?
opal locust
lol i am the one you should ask
opal locust
do you not think i lurk the wiki?
bitter ice
oh
opal locust
and he can't give you a role here
i haven't had any time to edit on the wiki, but one day i for sure will
your name you are editing with on the wiki does not match your discord name?
opal locust
i'll think about giving you the role 🤔
opal locust
you have edited a number of things, but only on a handful of days, so just keep working on stuff and being helpful (not spamming or creating stuff just cuz) and i will probably give you the role real soon
bitter ice
What if i make a page for each gammeode type?
wait, do those already exist?
oh, there's just one page
shiiiit, there whould be a whole section for each one
like on the main page
opal locust
not spamming or creating stuff just cuz 👀 just sayin
bitter ice
i mean look at this poor page tho
its missing salvage, it's a stub, it's even marked for cleanup
opal locust
Tater to the rescue, you could hear my thoughts
wary cove
It's marked for cleanup because (zeuzera?) wanted to rearrange stuff
I made that page before salvage was included
You can add salvage if you like
But we don't need multiple pages for each game mode
opal locust
the page is honestly fine, could use an image for each type
bitter ice
there's icons for them
already on the wiki
Frankly i think each gamemode should get it's own page'
but thats not for me to decide
opal locust
less pages is better though is what i have been told at some point
bitter ice
Then in that case all the pages i made for each resource shouldn't exist
wary cove
They would all be fine on a single page
bitter ice
They already were
wary cove
Even just in a table with icons detailing where they're found, maybe some side descriptions about their uses
bitter ice
But Starboi added an entire template for each one
So i figured all those red links could become working ones
we already had pages for morkite and Err cube
wary cove
Yeah, we really never needed those
bitter ice
TBH, I'm of the opposite opinion. The more pages containing all the details the better.
as logn as it's not redundant info
wary cove
Could have just had them redirect to the page with everything
And give the descriptions about them
bitter ice
Then what was the point of the template?
wary cove
But as it stands we don't have much lore or anything on the minerals, just what they're called, where they're found, and what they can be used for
gritty bear
if you're willing to make a seperate page for each mission type then you'll have to put in a lot of work to make up for the page imo
the way tf2wiki did it for instance
ho shit
that much info just about CTF
gritty bear
but how will you get that much stuff to write about it?
wary cove
We don't have enough content as it is to justify entire pages for this stuff
bitter ice
For now I suppose we don't
gritty bear
we still gotta get some proper admins for the wiki
opal locust
yeah hopefully we can get tater that title
since he is also a moderator here
but otherwise a handful of others could be a good option, really need one
gritty bear
someone who could change the front page for the better
opal locust
the first edit i tried to do it was the discord invite link to be /drg but noooooo
that was months ago :)
hollow jasper
Mission types have the potential to be in their own pages if we manage to gather more information about cave generation and other relevant info. Researching that stuff is on my backburner currently.
I created the resource navbar in response to the fact that we already had two resource pages (ERR23 and Morkite), and I had already finished making a resource infobox template for those pages too.
Like the mission types, the resource pages can become useful if we provide more information and put it in a comprehensible format. As they stand, however, they don't provide much value that the [[Ores]] pages doesn't already provide.
Which reminds me, I still need to get [[Ores]] moved to [[Resources]], but I need an admin around to merge the edit histories afterwards.
bitter ice
I have an indea for contributions
is there any pages for strategies?
or stuff like tips?
hollow jasper
Currently there's only the main "How to Play" guide page: https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/How_to_Play_Guide_for_Deep_Rock_Galactic
Tips for what, exactly?
bitter ice
just general and easily digestible game knowledge which could probably fit in a scentence or two
so like
"As a driller or gunner, reloading the Satchel charge with the explosive out without detonating it will allow you to place more than one at a time. Use this to place multiple satchel charges and detonate them simultaneously for a devastating avalanche of explosions!"
hollow jasper
Are we sure that isn't an unintended feature?
bitter ice
it works fine
so i dont see why not
at this point its so well known that the developers would have fixed it by now if they wanted too
hollow jasper
For weapon specific tips, we already have the 'Notes and Tips' column of the weapons tables
bitter ice
oh, good point
hollow jasper
For broader class specific tips, we could add a new header to the class pages like the TF2 wiki
'Basic strategy'
Which lists just a handful of short tips
and a link to the main strategy page
Or just 'Strategy', without 'Basic'
I don't think we'll need a dedicated Basic and Advanced strategy page for each class like TF2.
bitter ice
yeah, that much would probably be redundant
wary cove
I'd say just please keep opinions about the classes out of the tips section and only put in things they can do, not necessarily what they "should" do
steel hollow
Where do you think the Space Rig Article belongs to? I removed it from the category "Dwarves" (where it obviously shouldn't be), but do we count it as a biome?
hollow jasper
I would say [[Category:Space Rig]], which would be a subcategory of [[Category:Deep Rock Galactic Wiki]].
@sick sierra What happens at the final milestone rank? Does it just keep repeating that amount, or did you not test that far?
elfin salmon
Have people gotten to the final milestone rank yet?
hollow jasper
Presumably DnaJur has, since he posted the milestone goal progression
elfin salmon
Maybe not
It seems to increase by50% each time but that doesn't necessarily mean he's got there yet
He hasn't wrote anything on the wiki yet at least about when it ends
hollow jasper
Not all of them increase by 50%
And I think it just ends after the last rank actually
Because that would leave the player with 261 perk points
And you need 254 to max out all the perks
sick sierra
It stops after that
You get enough KPI to buy all perks and about 7 points left over
gritty bear
anyone more experienced with wikis should do something about the blank spaces
actually I do believe this takes up even more space than before
hollow jasper
I have an idea for a more compact format. I'll prototype it later.
sick sierra
Creature base health amounts:
Glyphid Spawn -> 5
Glyphid Swarmer -> 12
Glyphid Warrior -> 90
Glyphid Suicider -> 20
Glyphid Web Spitter -> 40
Glyphid Acid Spitter -> 120
Glyphid Praetorian -> 400
Glyphid Dreadnought Armor -> 2000
Glyphid Dreadnought Health -> 3000
Glyphid Brood Nexus -> 1800
Spitball Infector - 800
Cave Leech -> 100
Cave Vine -> 100
Deeptora Honeycomb -> 500
Mactera Spawn -> 230
Mactera Grabber -> 350
Lootbug -> 100
Maggot -> 1
Harvester -> 250
Cave Jelly -> 35
Ejector Cactus -> 150
elfin salmon
Thanks DNA
gritty bear
mactera spawn was increased?
merry chasm
HP values are a bit... deceptive; since weakspots also have different degrees of weakness
sick sierra
It's more for the sake of wiki completeness. Pluss those "? Health" on Creatures of Hoxxes page were annoying me :p
hollow jasper
Do you know which enemies use the 'Small' enemy HP scaling and 'Large' enemy HP scaling?
Also, are any of these excluded from HP scaling entirely?
I mean, I would presume the Dreadnought, Praetorian, Nexus and Infector (and Harvester?) are all 'Large', with everything else considered 'Small', but you never know.
sick sierra
Enemy damage resistance scaling by difficulty/number of player:
0.55 - small enemy, haz1, 1 player
0.60 - small enemy, haz1, 2 players
0.65 - small enemy, haz1, 3 players
0.7 - small enemy, haz1, 4 players
0.7 - small enemy, haz2, 1 player
0.8 - small enemy, haz2, 2 players
0.9 - small enemy, haz2, 3 players
1.0 - small enemy, haz2, 4 players
0.8 - small enemy, haz3, 1 player
0.9 - small enemy, haz3, 2 players
1.0 - small enemy, haz3, 3 players
1.1 - small enemy, haz3, 4 players
1.2 - small enemy, haz4, 1 player
1.2 - small enemy, haz4, 2 players
1.2 - small enemy, haz4, 3 players
1.2 - small enemy, haz4, 4 players
0.45 - normal enemy, haz1, 1 player
0.55 - normal enemy, haz1, 2 players
0.7 - normal enemy, haz1, 3 players
0.85 - normal enemy, haz1, 4 players
0.5 - normal enemy, haz2, 1 player
0.65 - normal enemy, haz2, 2 players
0.85 - normal enemy, haz2, 3 players
1.0 - normal enemy, haz2, 4 players
0.8 - normal enemy, haz3, 1 player
0.9 - normal enemy, haz3, 2 player
1.0 - normal enemy, haz3, 3 player
1.1 - normal enemy, haz3, 4 player
1.0 - normal enemy, haz4, 1 player
1.1 - normal enemy, haz4, 2 players
1.2 - normal enemy, haz4, 3 players
1.3 - normal enemy, haz4, 4 players
I haven't looked at every enemy but swarmers and warriors are small, acid spitters, exploders, praetorians are normal
Harvester/Maggot/Cave Jelly/Ejector Cactus/Cave Vine are not enemies at all and are instead destructibles so I assume they have a constant resistance of 1.0 but I have not checked
hollow jasper
So it is a damage modifier, not a health modifier? I wasn't sure which one it was when Dwarfurious originally posted those values.
sick sierra
Yes, health values are the same on all difficulties.
hollow jasper
So I suppose now the question is, do we display different resistance percentages, or just display the effective HP for each difficulty.
Effective HP would be more digestible for readers, but not technically accurate.
I guess we could do both with tooltips
gritty bear
the health values seem accurate enough
I'll add them in as place holders at the very least
@swift lark are the health values above as accurate as they seem?
swift lark
got it confirmed from the game director, yes they are 😃
gritty bear
niiice thanks
sick sierra
@swift lark Can you check something for me? When getting values for enemy resistance scaling I noticed that it seems to scale only up to 3 players. Is that intended? The original code looks to be something like (very pseudocode with some omissions):
x=GetNumberOfPlayers();
numPlayer=3;
if(x<=numPlayer)
numPlayer=x;
return 1.0/EnemyResitances[numPlayer-1];
But this way the 4th value never gets used. Or is there specific conditions where it is used and not in general gameplay?
elfin salmon
Does it start at 0?
When I looked at the screenshot dwarf sent me
It lloks like the value starts at 0-3 giving 4 values?
hollow jasper
I don't see any issues with that code Oh
Mushu is correct, the array starts at 0
As all arrays should p:
sick sierra
Yes but it will never be 3
hollow jasper
Yea I realised just then
sick sierra
Also bug classifications
Lootbug -> small
Glyphid Suicider -> normal
Glyphid Swarmer -> small
Glyphid Spawn -> small
Glyphid Web Spitter -> small
Spitball Infector -> normal
Glyphid Warrior -> small
Glyphid Praetorian -> normal
Glyphid Brood Nexus -> normal
Glyphid Acid Spitter -> small
Glyphid Dreadnought -> small
Cave Leech -> small
Mactera Spawn -> small
Deeptora Honeycomb -> small
Mactera Grabber -> normal
Dreadnoughts are from elimination mission cocoons. Not sure if they are different from natural spawning ones
hollow jasper
Neat, thanks.
sick sierra
Dreadnought armor uses resistances from normal.
sick sierra
Some damage modifiers:
Glyphid Brood Nexus Eye -> 500%
Mactera Spawn Stomach -> 300%
Glyphid Head -> 150%
Glyphid Praetorian/Dreadnought Abdoman -> 150%
Spitball Infector Spot -> 400%
Glyphid Dreadnought Flamethrower -> 49%
Mactera Spawn Flamethrower -> 200%
Spitball Infector Flamethrower -> 200%
Spitball Infector Drill -> 200%
sick sierra
Enemy damage modifiers
Hazard 1 -> 0.5
Hazard 2 -> 1.0
Hazard 3 -> 1.5
Hazard 4 -> 2.5
Enemy count modifiers
Hazard 1, 1 player -> 0.2
Hazard 1, 2 players -> 0.4
Hazard 1, 3 players -> 0.6
Hazard 1, 4 players -> 0.8
Hazard 2, 1 player -> 0.25
Hazard 2, 2 players -> 0.5
Hazard 2, 3 players -> 0.75
Hazard 2, 4 players -> 1.0
Hazard 3, 1 player -> 0.5
Hazard 3, 2 players -> 0.75
Hazard 3, 3 players -> 1.0
Hazard 3, 4 players -> 1.25
Hazard 4, 1 player -> 0.75
Hazard 4, 2 players -> 1.0
Hazard 4, 3 players -> 1.25
Hazard 4, 4 players -> 1.5
Friendly fire modifiers
Hazard 1 -> 0.1
Hazard 2 -> 0.33
Hazard 3 -> 0.5
Hazard 4 -> 0.66
Damage amounts
Glyphid Suicider -> Varies, Max 50
Glyphid Swarmer -> 2
Glyphid Spawn -> 2
Glyphid Web Spitter -> 10
Spitball Infector -> Varies, Max 25
Glyphid Warrior -> 4
Glyphid Praetorian Attack -> 12
Glyphid Praetorian Spit -> Varies, Max approx. 12
Glyphid Praetorian Gas -> Varies, Max approx. 3
Glyphid Acid Spitter -> 15
Deeptora Honeycomb -> 3
Glyphid Dreadnought Attack -> 25
Glyphid Dreadnought Fireball -> Varies, Max 40
Glyphid Dreadnought Shockwave -> 85
Cave Leech -> 10
Mactera Spawn -> 15
Exploding Plant Big -> Varies, Max 150
Exploding Plant Medium -> Varies, Max 100
Exploding Plant Small -> Varies, Max 75
Lava geyser -> 2
Lava floor -> Varies, Max approx. 5
Cave Urchin -> Varies, Max approx. 7
Ejector Cactus -> 30
Radioactive Crystal -> Varies, Max approx. 3
Electrocrystal -> Varies, Max approx. 4
Electrocrystal on Pickaxe hit -> 15
merry chasm
max 50 for suicider? on haz2? because on haz4 with 4 people it'll one shot ya, cant be 50 🤔
sick sierra
Yes, those are damages before modifier is applied.
bitter ice
DnaJur MVP
gritty bear
yo could we get some mutator icons?
hollow jasper
I'll get them later today.
hollow jasper
@gritty bear With or without the background frames?
gritty bear
with
hollow jasper
Doing anomalies next
I don't think No Fall Damage is used currently, but I included it anyway.
rocky sphinx
@hollow jasper The no fall damage icon is Low Gravity anomoly
hollow jasper
But there's already another icon for low-gravity
rocky sphinx
Incorrect one assigned low gravity
hollow jasper
So currently in-game it displays the no fall-damage icon for the low gravity anomaly?
hollow jasper
I wonder if it was intentional.
rocky sphinx
🤔 Maybe a future anomaly. I'll keep a lookout for it in game and let you know.
Are you working on a hazard page too?
hollow jasper
You could probably ask in #bug-discussion if it's intentional or not.
Like Hazard levels?
Not currently, but maybe in the future.
I think we have just about enough data now (thanks to DnaJur) to fill a dedicated Hazard level page.
rocky sphinx
Actually i meant like anomalies the additional hazards. Like leech clusters and what not.
hollow jasper
Well I was thinking about making a Mutators page which would list all the Anomalies and Warnings.
If that's what you mean.
sweet falcon
I was going to add a section on Mutators on the Missions page, the how to play guide has quite a lot of info in it that could be diffused to several pages.
fleet adder
Quick question
Does anyone know how resources are given out to a team after a mission is completed?
sweet falcon
I believe everyone gets all the resources collected?
merry chasm
^
sweet falcon
Unless the mission is failed where the payout is a fraction of those collected (put in molly)
merry chasm
^
fleet adder
I'd think so, or else mutliplayer would be unpopular
merry chasm
would be a kind of fun game mode... everyone gets what they carry :V
sweet falcon
I'm going to steal add a mutator section on the missions page
would kind of fit with dwarves being greedy
sweet falcon
yeah, the stealing/trolling would be the problem, i'd rather keep the all for one attitude, although I wouldn't mind people joining later getting less of the rewards
I dont think there should be a distribution off whoever desposits it or else the infighting rush over a gold vein will be worse than it already is
fleet adder
What if it were a competitive gamemode sort of thing?
If gold is deposited into your inventory as you mine it (instead of picking it up), that could potentially work
merry chasm
co-optional elements can be fun
sweet falcon
Not the right chatroom for this, but for DRG I'd prefer an indirect PVP system rather than a direct one.
merry chasm
with friends. Battleblock theatre eh?
sweet falcon
I'd suggest a more "competitive PvE" rather than direct combat
A mission can have at most one hazard and one anomaly correct?
fleet adder
I do like the indirect PVP in the game, partly because active PVP would be a nightmare for new players
I believe so?
merry chasm
for now...
fleet adder
But maybe there could be a "gold rush" gamemode, with indirect PVP, still waves of monsters, etc. etc., but instead of working to complete a mission, everyone works to collect as much gold as they can
There could be a timer, or a passive timer (waves get worse as time goes on)
sweet falcon
I can see it now, dwarves clambering over eachother for gold veins, getting hit by mobs makes you lose some of the gold you are carrying, getting downed makes it all spray like a loot bug death while you slowly revive (~15 sec to autorevive)
anyway
Mactera Plague: ''Only Mactera enemy types will spawn.''
Is there really only Mactera enemies on these missions?
I haven't payed too much attention, but I thought it was in addition to normal spawns
sly perch
No, just they spawn more than normal
sweet falcon
So you still get the normal cast of crawlers and whatnot right?
sly perch
correct, as far as i have seen. Instead of like 1-4 mactera at times, you usually get 5-9 that come
more often
sweet falcon
Alright, last question for now, is each hazard xp bonus the same, and how much is it if yes?
35%?
sly perch
30% for exploder infestation and the one that loses your shield can’t think of the name
sweet falcon
shield disruption
sly perch
Yes
sweet falcon
Ah shucks, I'm going to need to record the required experience values for every level
sly perch
np lol
Im leveling the digger as my its my last class to finish to 20 so i'll let you know 9-19
sweet falcon
that would be awesome if you could
sly perch
np
sweet falcon
Created Experience page, missing values for each levelup however. Copied section from How to Play Guide for player titles.
Created new sections for Missions Page (Mutators and Hazard Bonuses)
sly perch
level 9 = 11,000
@sweet falcon
Also here are some of the complexity and length bonuses
sweet falcon
Awesome, thanks 👍
uncut yarrow
@sweet falcon sup.
sweet falcon
I've been editing for the past 2 hours and have accomplished nothing significant 👍
uncut yarrow
lol
well you know there is a cheat engine explooit for XP? you could back up your account, reset it, and then cheatengine the values to get each one, you'd have all hte values in like 20 minutes.
or reset account and play a lot of speedruns in solo and get L20 in a day
hmm....
sweet falcon
hm, I'm fairly confident in the trend, I'll write a small note or leave a citation needed note
uncut yarrow
ye or best if you're determined to get he info, go into Haz 1/2's, see what level peeps are and ask them how much XP it costs in the lobby
sweet falcon
ooh, thats a pretty good idea
sick sierra
Level 2 - 3.000
Level 3 - 4.000
Level 4 - 5.000
Level 5 - 6.000
Level 6 - 7.000
Level 7 - 8.000
Level 8 - 9.000
Level 9 - 10.000
Level 10 - 11.000
Level 11 - 12.000
Level 12 - 13.000
Level 13 - 14.000
Level 14 - 15.000
Level 15 - 15.500
Level 16 - 16.000
Level 17 - 16.500
Level 18 - 17.000
Level 19 - 17.500
Level 20 - 18.000
Level 20+ - 20.000
Total - 217.500 + 20.000
sweet falcon
Ah, perfect, thanks a ton, I'll go ahead and edit the entry now
sick sierra
Numbers as in you need that much to get to that level from the previous one
Also it is a signed int so i do not recommend going above 2.147.483.647 😃
sweet falcon
Awesome, thanks for the info 👍
sweet falcon
Some values that could be added to the wiki:
Missing amount of gold the compressed gold chunk gives
Missing amount of crafting materials that spawn in each chunk/carryable,
Missing total amount of healing possible from chunk of red sugar
Missing health value auto-regen goes to (Is it 25 Hp?)
Missing perk milestones beyond the initial missions (perk points rewarded and number of objectives needed)
Missing Pages/Objects:
sick sierra
Milestones I posted somewhere above
sweet falcon
alright, I'll look into adding those, thanks
sweet falcon
All Specific enemy pages, waiting for a template to put in same form as biomes/ores?
Environmental Hazard pages - Sandstorms, Earthquakes, Electric Crystals, Explosive Shrooms,
I'll go and try to add the milestones now, thanks again 👍
gritty bear
@sweet falcon the perks page was originally layed out with how it appears in-game https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Perks&diff=3004&oldid=2954
it was a bit of a mess so I reformatted it to what it is now, which ended up bigger but looks nicer
sweet falcon
ah, I tried to remake the table by having a left catagory for each main one
gritty bear
starblaster a while ago said he had a more compact idea for it
sweet falcon
alright I just like to have the actual numbers there in case it needs to be used by anyone as a reference
I'll edit the text to be a bit more appropriate in a bit
wait, are the milestones cumulative?
Like after claiming the reward for completing 3 objectives and getting the next milestone for 6
Does it start from 0 or 3
gritty bear
3
sick sierra
0
sweet falcon
ah, alright, thanks
sweet falcon
Look into - the exact amounts of expected morkite to harvest in a mining expedition based off length (footprint icon on mission select)
Might be good to have specific primary objective/secondary objective counts on the missions page
Or even the specific mission page of the amount of content expands enough to warrant it
sweet falcon
Speed measurements for mobs? Speed of dreadnaught before and after shell breaking?
hollow jasper
Anyone got anything I should add to/change about the milestones table before I commit this re-re-format?
gritty bear
yes I think that's great
hollow jasper
Also, perhaps we should start thinking about a version history page, which would link to separate pages for each update + its hotfixes.
Currently looking at the Terraria wiki for inspiration: https://terraria.gamepedia.com/1.3.5
gritty bear
we should make update pages
but how will we report on updates during closed testing?
hollow jasper
You mean the experimental branch?
Well we could also do what the Terraria wiki does, where they make the update page pre-emptively, and put a notice at the top indicating that it's all unreleased content.
sick sierra
Health regeneration is percentage based and is currently set to 15%, so the HP regeneration limit is 16.5
sick sierra
Its configurable so may be subject to perks/upgrades in the future
sick sierra
Chunks have lower limit of 0.5 but no upper limit so it would be whatever maximum resource amount you can get in one pickaxe swing
sweet falcon
What I meant was more like how a lot of the crafting resources spawn in seemingly fixed shapes (or are simply carry chunks)
Thinking about how much bismor is in a bismor cube
quick geyser
I'm not quite sure but the number 12 comes to mind when thinking about bismor
gritty bear
a single umanite 'spike' usually has 7
sick sierra
I don't think they are consistent enough. Last 2 pearls that I got were 9 and 16. Umanite was mostly between mid 7s to mid 9s with one outlier at 4 but it was more of a generation problem.
sweet falcon
I wrote that hazards give a hazard bonus of 30% after seeing that shield disrupt and mantra swarm give 30%
but I just had a game where cave leech cluster gave 15% :/
merry chasm
odd, last time i saw it the leeches were 20%, either they changed it or its maybe mission specific? its certainly kind of pointless in point extraction
sweet falcon
It was indeed a point extract mission where it was worth 15%
merry chasm
anyone wanna get a confirm on that, see if its different on a different mission ?
sweet falcon
Ill see if I can find a cave leech again
sweet falcon
Haz 2, cave leech +15% (Point Extract)
going to try same mission haz 3 to see if that might change it as well
pure valley
Also just completed a Haz 2. Also +15%.
sweet falcon
did haz 3, still +15%, ill try doing a dif mission type if it comes up
sweet falcon
still 15% on search & extract mission
tranquil hazel
Im almost positive they changed it in hotfix 3, I definitely played multiple cluster missions before and after and haven't seen a 20% since
merry chasm
makes sense, its not really that scary
sweet falcon
Exploder is still 30, I'll check othersnow
tranquil hazel
I feel like they should swap the bonus for exploder and plague
merry chasm
yeah 20% for mactera not enough lol
uncut yarrow
@merry chasm you mean not survivable.
TBF haven't played since the patch to address the spitter speeds
honest narwhal
so what kind of art style is DRG?
finite reef
"Low Poly" art
@coral oracle
sweet falcon
Has anyone confirmed how much "Mactera Plague" increases the hazard bonus by? 20%
sweet falcon
Forced restart in middle of working on hazard level page
sweet falcon
Committed Hazard Level multiplier data to the wiki, but will either have to rearrange classification from "small" and "normal" (because a Dreadnaught being "small" might be confusing) or have the information readily more visible on specific enemy pages.
wary cove
Yup
gritty bear
idk should I take it?
wary cove
I'm contemplating it myself
gritty bear
if you boys are fine with it I'll do it
opal locust
i saw that and wanted to comment on it, i think either of you are good options, i would totally do it myself, but haven't had the time to actually edit, just lurk everyday, @gritty bear you are Regular dummkopf, right?
gritty bear
ya
opal locust
The danni (who i believe was the admin) actually isn't even in this discord anymore, stopped being active just as the game released into early access
proud ivy
I speculate that exploders are sick or affected by some fungii
gritty bear
claim wiki button is back
gritty bear
oh my claim was accepted almost instantly...
gritty bear
@hollow jasper I can unlock the front page so you can make improvements
I am unable to promote anyone sadly
hollow jasper
Only Gamepedia admins and wiki bureaucrats can promote other users
Also, don't do that to the main page, it should remain a protected page
Any redesigns we have can just be pushed by you or another admin (if we get more)
According to standard Gamepedia procedure, wiki admins should notify a Gamepedia admin (e.g. OOeyes) of anyone they think should recieve a promotion to wiki admin.
hollow jasper
@gritty bear You merged [[Ores]] and [[Resources]] the wrong way
I noted in the discussion page that [[Resources]] should be the content page, and [[Ores]] a redirect page.
'Resources' covers much more than 'Ores' does.
On closer inspection I can't even see what was merged at all
hollow jasper
Merges are done manually, via copy-pasting. The admin "merge" is a history merge.
gritty bear
when it comes to history anyway
hollow jasper
The idea was, we get someone promoted to admin, then I or someone else copy-pastes Ores to Resources
Then the history of Ores is copied over to Resources
Then we turn Ores into a redirect to Resources
gritty bear
ah I see
hollow jasper
I'll do the content merge later, I need to cook dinner.
Or, you can do it yourself if you'd like and are currently free.
gritty bear
I've completed the merge as you described
send me any new front page designs you boys may create
proud ivy
abb is this place open to theorys ?
because i got some ideas on the social structure of the gliphs. and some of their forms
like the Explouder seems obvsly sick or afflicted by a the explosive fugii ...
sweet falcon
I think each of the templates created so far would be a good place to start adding to the wiki
The ores/resources page would do well to go on there
sweet falcon
Salvage mission would benefit from having some more numbers, ie: How quickly it goes up with how many people, how quickly it drains when everyone leaves the circle
gritty bear
I think it goes up at max speed as long as everyone in the server is within the range
by that I mean when there's 2 players playing the mission, to reach the maximum increase 2 are needed
for starters we could assume it's 50% slower if only one is within the range when there's 2 players
tranquil hazel
Guys i visited you wikia and noticed it is hard to find ores on the home page. I feel as if they would be a very searched thing.
also i might contribute screenshots if you need some
sweet falcon
ores/resources is a little bit of a mess right now, the problem imo is actually a little too many pictures (and a lack of formatting)
tranquil hazel
ill see whats up
ok first off ERR needs to go to others
Crafting/upgrades needs to be Upgrades
wary cove
We've decided not to add it yet
tranquil hazel
There is a line between resources and minerals
thats the problem
for example
separate usable from unusable.
Minerals and objective minerals
my opinion
also apoca blooms?
or objective resources
thats more encapsulating
wary cove
They're not an ore, mineral, or crafting material
wary cove
They're a secondary objective item
wary cove
Which I believe we have listed elsewhere
tranquil hazel
the page is resources
and the sub section
is secondary objectives
i will talk more after this gmae
ill maybe try to make a heiracrchy that covers everything you can pick up
sweet falcon
Hm, I was going to make a secondary objectives page, but I wanted to tally how many of each secondary object the missions require
I believe its fixed
sweet falcon
erm
check the bottom bar
is that the kind of organization you were trying to make?
tranquil hazel
bottom bar?
on the wiki?
im dumb
i literally outplayed myself
well it has my seal of approval then
cool
sweet falcon
yeah, starblaster made that nice looking template down there
the page itself is a bit messy
I'll actually mark that page for cleanup now
tranquil hazel
I feel like pngs that isolate an object really declutter an page and clarify what is being mentioned
the only exception would be wall markings and the like
the box for images has a variable size or nah?
bitter ice
on the Error cube page
Something i noticed about the error cube: it seems to be much more common in sandblasted corridors
Should I add that to the locations section?
sweet falcon
Erm, not sure there's any evidence for that
I'd refrain unless there's some verification or justification for as much
gritty bear
that screenshot on the page is the first time I've found it in sandblasted corridors
bitter ice
Maybe it was just me then, but I've found far more error cubes in SC than any other biome. Especially recently
elfin salmon
S C?
sweet falcon
Assume sandblasted corridors since he was just talking about it
elfin salmon
That's it
I though it was wind lasted
They are easier to see on some maps but I don't think they have have a higher spawn rate anywhere
merry chasm
I think they're just easier to spot in SC
i've found them in pretty hard places in some biomes like Dense Biozone
sweet falcon
Salvage mission Times (Seconds - Solo - Haz 3 )
Uplink repair time - 20
Uplink Holdout time - ~1:20
Fuel cell arrival - 30
Fuel cell setup - 20
Fuel Cell Holdout - 1:40
Pod calibration - 1:30 (Shown)
uplink holdout suspicious, will try again (also will obtain mini mule assembly time)
all holdout is no downs & no leaving zone
sweet falcon
It really is about 1:20 & 1:40
no apparent change in times for difficulty (Haz 2)
Mini mule - 10 seconds
sweet falcon
2players on Assembly : 16 seconds (assembly for uplink & fuel cell)
holdout times are same
sweet falcon
Salvage mission Times (Seconds -Duo - Haz 3 )
Uplink Holdout time - 1:45 (1 player in zone, duo game)
Fuel Cell Holdout - 2:10? 2:15? (1 player in zone, duo game)
Need more data to determine if relationship is additive or multiplicative
But have good times for if all players are in the zones and none go down (1:20 and 1:40)
Also, visual bug for clients shows full "arrows" until they enter and exit the zone
sweet falcon
Main Page:
- Instead of each class make a single "Classes" Icon
- Make it more clear that the "Hoxxes" Icon refers to environments. "Hoxxes/Biomes", or "Hoxxes' Biomes"
- Add Ores/Resources Icon
- Add Missions Icon
sweet falcon
I'd like to have the icons for length and cave complexity to use in the hazard_bonus page
hollow jasper
I'll get 'em in a bit
hollow jasper
@sweet falcon Individual icons, or in groups of three as they appear in-game (or both)?
sweet falcon
@hollow jasper what do you think would look better?
Either I'll paste the three feet alternating on or off
Or just paste the full image
I only intend to use them for the hazard bonus page as I've said, I plan to put them in a position similar to the current warnings icons
hollow jasper
Well I could probably just take the on/off icons for length and complexity and just make a template that strings them together
sweet falcon
Is that worth it?
Actually
Go ahead and do that, later if we get mission dedicated pages for objectives
I Can use the length templates to specify the number of required objective
hollow jasper
It'd be more flexible that way, and easier to update if the icons change again, but it also means that readers would have to load more images.
Since the icons would be a fairly small resolution anyway, I'm not sure if it would be noticably slower or not
sweet falcon
Alright, you sold me on the template idea
hollow jasper
I think I'm going to put everything in a single template.
{{icon cave|length/complexity|on/off}} - for a single icon. Would default to 'on' so the last parameter can be omitted.
{{icon cave|length/complexity|0-3}} - for 3 icons, with the last param controlling how many are 'on'.
Seems perfect to me
I'll add them onto the hazard bonus page and anywhere else that seems appropriate tommrow
I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to start gathering numbers for mission primary requirements based off length as well
sweet falcon
Ah hm numbers currently needed to make mission specific pages as well as the secondary objectives page:
Exp gain on completion of primary objectives & secondary objectives (base value?)
Amount of primary objective required per mission (interaction with length if possible/relevant)
Amount of secondary objectives required per mission (should be fixed afaik)
The secondary objective amounts could be merged with their specific pages that already exist
hollow jasper
Length is only really relevant for Mining Expedition and Egg Hunt, the other mission types all have fixed lengths afaik
sweet falcon
And the experience amounts gained could be put into the experience page
I need to look into the varried dreadnaught amounts for elimination still
I don't believe it seems to be inflicted by length of that changes at all for elimination mission
Search and extract likely also is affected
hollow jasper
These ones were slightly harder because they were transparent
And I still need to fix the tiny rim around the border
hollow jasper
I may need to have the icon 'triplets' be in a <div> or <span> or something to avoid formatting issues with text wrapping, but test it out first and let me know.
sweet falcon
Used in
Weaponupgrade1: x Bismor y jadiz
Cosmetic1: x Bismor y credits
For crafting material specific pages
sweet falcon
New warnings and rewards from perk challenges have images of a few things we could use
For starters we should pull the images for new warnings from the experimental branch to prepare for the update, especially if there's going to be an influx of players
gritty bear
oh damn a new update coming up? nice
we try to add experimental things once they are actually out
someone could make a page dedicated to anything showcased in experimentals, which means we'd even document things that never reached the final build
sweet falcon
I mean we still have yet to make version pages/ update logs or link major things to the main page
Just some considerations to upload the images so that when the update officially drops the wiki won't be too unprepared
hollow jasper
Icons can change before updates reach release, e.g. the Salvage mission icon and the mutator icons.
Even so, uploading the early versions makes it easier to update later, so I'll grab them at some point.
wooden moon
do you people have a data digger? You know, someone who gets into the raw code and looks for stuff that´s not ingame yet?
sick sierra
New milestone requirements
Equipment upgrades/Vanity items milestones: 2 -> 5 -> 10 -> 15 -> 20
Warning milestones: 2 -> 5 -> 10 -> 15 -> 20
sick sierra
Mactera Goo Bomber HP: 400 Damage with a spit attack: 15
sweet falcon
^this guys amazing and responsible for probably 80% of the content on the wiki from what I've seen
wooden moon
shouldn´t be he one of the wiki guys if he´s responsible for almost everything on the wiki? 🤔
gritty frost
the creatures of Hoxxes section is lacking an image for the Acid spitter, the Cave Vine and the Harvester. What's taking so long?
sick sierra
Nah, I don't even have a wiki account. I just like posting numbers .
vale grove
i have only found a two harvesters once in the radioactive biome in like 80 hours
(Harvesters are those passive flying thingies which stick close to the ground, right?)
opal locust
Maybe i should make a special numbers_dude role 🤔
vale grove
I mean, do you people need pictures of Harvesters? I just found three yesterday in the dense bio zone
hollow jasper
I have one, but I just never got around to cleaning it up.
vale grove
i mean, i have three if you guys want them
hollow jasper
Are any of them against a clean background that can be easily removed? Because I was going to use a frame from the Harvester promo video, which just has a gray background.
vale grove
i´ll pm them to you and you can be the judge 😄
sick sierra
Bomber new health -> 600
novel vale
what in the world is that name
wary cove
Zalgo text on minimal zalgoing it looks like
tranquil hazel
Is there wiki in finnish of deep rock?
merry chasm
is a wiki ever really finished?
hollow jasper
Gamepedia/the MediaWiki software does have the capability to have translated pages, but we'd need dedicated wiki editors to translate any and all English pages to another language, as well as keep them up to date.
Any templates that insert text/links would likely need to be updated
Templates in general become slightly more complicated when needing to add translation support.
@ Dwarfurious: if the subject(s) that a wiki covers come to a point where nothing will ever change, then I'd say yes, you can have a wiki that is 'finished', at least in regards to information anyway. The design and layout of a wiki could technically keep changing forever though, I suppose.
merry chasm
was just bad wordplay
hollow jasper
I figured as much, but I felt like answering anyway
arctic vine
The front page looks a bit cluttered on Safari. Is it supposed to look like that?
sweet falcon
The front page is missing links to crucial pages such as the reworked ores page, missions page, and mechanics pages (hazard level and hazard bonus)
Only wiki admins can edit the front page (to prevent vandalism I imagine)
A new admin was appointed but Whoever was responsible for that seems to have yet to gotten around to reformatting the front page
hollow jasper
That was TommyGun
We never finalised any main page changes here though, I don't think
@gritty bear honk
I don't know why Safari would display the page like that, and I can't debug it myself because I don't have an Apple device to run Safari
The default Gamepedia front page template features basic responsive design.
That WIKI box should have been under DEEP ROCK GALACTIC, not shoved on-top.
sick sierra
It looks the same way on Vivaldi on Windows
Although it maybe just me cutting scripts too much
hollow jasper
Anyone know if Chrome does it too when zoomed-in too much?
If so, that would make it a webkit issue
sick sierra
Ah yeah zooming out to 70% fixes it
hollow jasper
70%? Vivaldi only bugged out when I zoomed in to 140%
What resolution are you running
sick sierra
Yeah but I have 1366x768
hollow jasper
That'd do it, probably
Ok yea, just tested in Chrome
So it appears to be related to the webkit browser engine
sick sierra
Wew, let me tell you I do NOT miss working front-end web monkey... Come to think of it I do not miss working web at all.
hollow jasper
Looks like the div doesn't want to stretch down once the page reaches a certain width. I'll look into it further later.
gritty bear
I was gonna make small changes to the front page but never did anything about it
hollow jasper
OK, I believe I've found a solution to the main page problem
Changing
@media (min-width: 820px) {
.fmpsections .fmpsectiongroup .fmpsection {
flex-basis: 100%;
max-width: 100%;
}
to
@media (min-width: 820px) {
.fmpsections .fmpsectiongroup .fmpsection {
flex-basis: auto;
max-width: 100%;
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appears to fix the problem with no noticable side-effects.
@gritty bear Could you apply the change to https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/MediaWiki:Hydradark.css ? It's a protected page as it affects styling of the entire Wiki.
gritty bear
done
hollow jasper
Thanks
@sick sierra @arctic vine @elfin salmon Can you all confirm that the main page displays correctly now?
hollow jasper
Cool
arctic vine
Cheers!
sick sierra
Yeah, looks good here too.
Some more useless stats
Flare gun damage: 40
Supply pod damage: 999999
gritty bear
that answers some guy's question
I know after you bring down dreadnaught's armor he will not take damage for a brief moment or something like that
sick sierra
One of two dreadnaughts I killed while testing died instantly but I have not looked into why it is happening.
Maybe if you hit shell hitbox first it absorbs all the damage.
sweet falcon
Should temperature be a separate page or tied to the ice biome.
Since I believe players can still accumulate heat from the magma biome, but it has no effect that I know of yet
gritty bear
temperature should be mentioned in each biome's info box
and if the temeprature can be severe enough to impact gameplay then it should be mentioned within that biome's page
imo anyway
hollow jasper
Dedicated temperature page and a transclusion of it on the Glacial Strata page.
Until temperature has an actual effect on gameplay [in other biomes], I don't see why all the biomes should mention it.
If at least one other biome recieves temperature mechanics, then I think it would make sense to add a row in the infobox. But currently it's unique to the Glacial Strata, so I don't feel like it's necessary right now.
sweet falcon
Fair, although I do believe it'll be likely to have some adverse effect on reaching max temp levels
hollow jasper
Created some prelimenary entries for the new biome, if anyone would like to expand and clean them up please do.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Hoxxes#Glacial_Strata
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glacial_Strata
hollow jasper
TommyGun added entries for both Goo and Ice bombers on the creatures page, though it's lacking HP values, damage values and images.
Not sure how we should organise ice variation enemies
Should also probably get around to finishing the Mactera Bomber image I was cleaning up
sweet falcon
Dnajur posted Health and damage
600 and 15
Don't know if out of date
No idea what melee vurnability entails
sick sierra
Numbers were up to date in the version just before the release but I will recheck them now
sweet falcon
The frost mobs also have some sort of heat vulnerability to the variants
sick sierra
Bomber health was nerfed to 500 damage is still 15
hollow jasper
from:dnajur in:wiki-related-chatroom DnaJur posted some a while back
Some damage modifiers:
Glyphid Brood Nexus Eye -> 500%
Mactera Spawn Stomach -> 300%
Glyphid Head -> 150%
Glyphid Praetorian/Dreadnought Abdoman -> 150%
Spitball Infector Spot -> 400%
Glyphid Dreadnought Flamethrower -> 49%
Mactera Spawn Flamethrower -> 200%
Spitball Infector Flamethrower -> 200%
Spitball Infector Drill -> 200%
How did I not see this
sweet falcon
What about explosives on dreadnaught phase 2
My eyeballs are very loose
Fall out all the time
sick sierra
Those are numbers from couple versions back so might not be accurate anymore
sick sierra
Why is there a huge "list of creatures" section at the bottom "the creatures of Hoxxes" page that contains duplicate and old information?
sweet falcon
that was the old template before it was changed to the columsn instead of the rows it is no
hollow jasper
Are you having a stroke?
The large list was supposed to be a replacement for the current tables, but was never finalised.
sweet falcon
rip got the order wrong
hollow jasper
I don't think either solution is really that great, but I haven't really drafted an alternate format myself.
I still think we should take an approach similar to the Terraria or Minecraft wikis.
Of course, that would require getting around to making dedicated creature pages for everything.
sweet falcon
We oughta take a vote
sweet falcon
copy pasted template, didnt even change "as with every biome.. the Magma Core..."
tsk tsk
i edited the glacial strata page a bit, because of dev murmurs I expect to have to make a temperate page soon
oh and obviously we're lacking on images for the glacial strata page
sweet falcon
Anyway, I've done my best to "un-stub" the glacial biome page
gritty bear
platform gun and minigun icons need to be updated
gritty bear
I dont think so
sick sierra
Tested damage modifiers again
Critical Weakness multiplies damage to weak spots x5. Shown in parentheses.
Glyphid Brood Nexus Eye -> 500% (500%)
Mactera Spawn (Not Grabber,Bomber) Stomach -> 300% (1500%)
Glyphid Head -> 150% (750%)
Glyphid Praetorian/Dreadnought Abdomen -> 150% (750%)
Spitball Infector Spot -> 400% (400%)
Glyphid Dreadnought Fire/Explosives (Health only, Armor not tested) -> 49% (49%)
Mactera Spawn/Bomber (Not Grabber) Fire/Drill/Pickaxe/Explosives -> 200% (200%)
Spitball Infector Fire -> 200% (200%)
Glacier Glyphid Warrior/Swarmer (Not Bomber) Fire -> 125% (125%)
Frozen Gliphid Warrior/Praetorian (Any bug?) -> 200% (200%)
sweet falcon
Any info about the health of vulnerable areas that "pop" like nexus eyes or bomber sacs?
As in how much health they have before rupture
sick sierra
Bomber sacs technically is not a vulnerable area as it doesn't do any more damage. But no haven't looked into how much health those parts have.
sweet falcon
Alright, great data, looks like I should make a critical weakness scaling page
Or at least a collapsable section
sick sierra
I think its better to separate it into weakness points and resistances. That's how the game does it. Than just mark which weakness points are multiplied by critical weakness. It is a flat x5 multiplier.
elfin salmon
Oh
I don't know if you guys know this already
But when I asked what the damage droppoff on an exploder's bang was
Its 25% at max
hollow jasper
Updated the Minigun and Platform Gun icons
gritty bear
thanks
sick sierra
Bomber Sac Health -> 70
Praetorian Armor Section Health -> 100
Nexus Eye Health -> 300 (Killing it does an additional 300 health damage to Nexus)
merry chasm
🤔 300hp for all the eyes combined?
because a single revolver shot blows them out
unless they have 300hp and a huge weakness multiplier
but 300hp spread over 4 eyes would add up
sick sierra
Each one. 500% multiplier is applied to eyes too.
sweet falcon
Shall we add the approximate starting depths of different biomes
Could be a nice bit to have on the biome cards
hollow jasper
Depth currently doesn't have any actual effect on gameplay though, so it's essentially trivia.
That's also the reason I wanted to replace the color scheme row with abudant and scarce resources. Color scheme is even more egregious because it's not even trivia.
Mentioning depth in the pages themselves seems fine, but I think infoboxes ought to be reserved for gameplay relevant info
wary cove
Is the starting depth even the same each round? I've never paid much attention to it myself
hollow jasper
I want to say it's probably a range based on the current biome, but I also haven't really paid much attention to it either.
gritty bear
I've gotten as deep as -7800m on the new biome
celest shoal
discovered this from the red sugar page on the wiki
gritty bear
fixed it but you could've easily done it yourself lol
celest shoal
it was saying something about my ip being visible if i did... should probably make an account anyway
hollow jasper
Updated [[Template:Biome_Infobox]].
Removed color parameter and replaced with abundant and scarce parameters for listing crafting materials.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Biome_infobox
sweet falcon
Is there a cacti page
Or entry
Much like the fungal mushrooms it doesn't seem to have a health bar but is still breakable
wary cove
It has a health bar, we just can't see it
sweet falcon
Nice
simple copper
So, green barrel in the "There's nothing here" tunnel... ?
dense axle
can we have a wiki page for the mission modifiers
like cave leech cluster or rich atomosphere
sick sierra
It's already part of the Missions page.
sick sierra
Which one is that? Shield disruption is on there
sweet falcon
Also on hazard level with their respective bonuses
As previously stated missions and ores could both use front page links
cerulean cypress
Wait, why would the new biome be deeper...?
elfin salmon
Because devs wanted it to be?
cerulean cypress
Doesn't really make geographical sense
{{FMP icon|Mining_expedition_icon.png|Missions|width=6.25em|size=100}}```🙏
wtf is this btw:
Why am I level 68 I edited one page
Assuming that's what this system is for?
opal locust
that is your level across all of gamepedia
hollow jasper
Morkite looks alright for Resources
Not sure about ME logo for Missions
Though I can't really think of any alternative icons
Also, that's a lot of icons in the same box
wary cove
it's not pleasant looking
hollow jasper
Could either split off the Dwarves (+ Space Rig maybe) into a separate box, or combine all the classes into a single Dwarves icon
[[Dwarves]] page is pretty empty currently though
wary cove
I think sectioning off the dwarves in their own area would be better than combining them into one
cerulean cypress
I believe the Dwarves should either have their own row, or be one cell, yes
The problem is that Dwarves don't currently have a non-stub page
wary cove
although maybe that should change if they bring about more classes
hollow jasper
If they have their own box/section, there'll be more room for them to stretch out, so a new class or a few should fit
cerulean cypress
Should resources be sorted in the template by type, not by objective status?
i.e. Vein/Stalagmite, Item, Heavy Object?
wary cove
I don't think they need to be sorted that way, you could just tag them with those categories
hollow jasper
Would be a nice addition, between Type and Hardness