But this would be some small panel that would build itself into wall.
#suggestions
old veldt
gray crater
1tater you know what I mean
oblique nacelle
I'm making a list
gray crater
I'm out. Need sleep.
lean haven
They'd have to change the platforms to no longer be able to be passed through for that. And the sprayable platform foam that was mentioned a long while ago that matrix brings up would be a better fit for that use
gray crater
I have a funny feeling I suggested it originally actually... #engi-main
lean haven
Idk, but it's not a bad idea
dreamy flicker
^
old veldt
Hmm but wouldnt be foam easily breakable?
oblique nacelle
Yeah
main olive
well it's still plasticrete
dreamy flicker
maybe make it harden over a few seconds?
main olive
just the action is like spray foam
old veldt
Some metal plate wall would be bit more durable. No offense.
gray crater
But you could make ramps, walls, it anything you wanted
gray crater
Eww
lean haven
The devs had a sort of barrier thing back in the project dwarka phase, but they decided not to carry it over for whatever reason
gray crater
Is just that rn engine movement is weakest traversal skill in the game
oblique nacelle
quick question
gray crater
Because they couldn't stop bugs getting around it, but it was great for trapping team and getting them killed
old veldt
Hmmm i played alot of mobas and stuff. I remember a hero called engineer from heroes of newerth with interesting ultimate ability. He threw down a box that created strong electricity field.
oblique nacelle
In the fungus bogs, theres the green bubbly swamp stuff on the ground in some places, is that damaging to people?
lean haven
Idk, I don't have a great deal of issue getting around with him as it stands. If anything I would argue that we need to make it a little bit harder to get around for everyone else. Promote a little more planning
dreamy flicker
it slows you down
oblique nacelle
I play engi main, and by the time it was released, I was immune to toxins, so I wasn't sure
gray crater
No but it get you killed if you can't move
dreamy flicker
pretty sure it also slows down the enemies too though
oblique nacelle
Yep, it sure does
gray crater
It does
old veldt
What do you think of some electric field generator that would fry incoming bugs?
oblique nacelle
stood in the middle of a particularly open and big one in solo, didn't even have to shoot 'cuz bosco had so much time to kill
lean haven
The portable crystal idea
oblique nacelle
Stalker, I like that idea
gray crater
At least damage or weaken, sure.
gray crater
Similar to the Molotov idea
old veldt
It would have activation timer so you can safely leave of 3 seconds
And would last 15-20 seconds.
oblique nacelle
or trigger like the det packs
old veldt
It would be also destroyable
mossy laurel
I have a serious suggestion for a new update
A quality of life update
1st off
Sticky goo in the fungus bogs should be easily broken through only 1 or 2 pickaxe strikes
2nd off
Extra objective and secondary objective materials should yeald extra credits at the end of a mission, like gold
for ex, 405 morkite and 11 apoca blooms
5 morkite (worth 1 each?, find a value) + 1 extra apoca bloom = 10 extra credits
That would make me feel better about not leaving anything behind
old veldt
But
dreamy flicker
I believe this has already been suggested before, but what are your thoughts on breaking cobwebs and the green goo in fungus Bogs, possibly by burning then with a flamethrower?
old veldt
It would have feedback if destroyed
mossy laurel
nah use the pickaxe
old veldt
Some electric feedback
mossy laurel
The flamethrower already has very little ammo
gray crater
Yes, it make it the engineer grenade
old veldt
In form of electrick shockwave damage.
dreamy flicker
@mossy laurel yeah but maybe could it spread, so just shoot out a small dose of it
lean haven
last wasp
Totally would be fine with that (as long as it's good)
mossy laurel
indeed
gray crater
Cyber it had heaps, damage doesn't stack so don't keep burning them
mossy laurel
The flametrower needs a continous burn to keep the damage
last wasp
Burning goo and webs is coming AFAIK
old veldt
Great minds think alike it seems draygo.
mossy laurel
A burning glyphid doesnt burn for very long
last wasp
They don't get hurt by it
mossy laurel
they are immune
mossy laurel
bugs arent hurt by toxic gas
oblique nacelle
I've seen bugs die to radiation
old veldt
What about nerve gas?
mossy laurel
guys
oblique nacelle
electricity?
lean haven
I would say so as well, but there is the argument that they're only immune to their own gas, which is the only gas in game right now
mossy laurel
these arent suggestions
oblique nacelle
shh
last wasp
I think he's suggesting a poison weapon vs bugs, is why
mossy laurel
I want the devs to actually see my suggestion
well debate in the general
and then your final idea goes here
oblique nacelle
I have a serious suggestion for a new update
A quality of life update
1st off
Sticky goo in the fungus bogs should be easily broken through only 1 or 2 pickaxe strikes
2nd off
Extra objective and secondary objective materials should yeald extra credits at the end of a mission, like gold
for ex, 405 morkite and 11 apoca blooms
5 morkite (worth 1 each?, find a value) + 1 extra apoca bloom = 10 extra credits
That would make me feel better about not leaving anything behind
mossy laurel
yes
old veldt
You know that we all are suggesting etuff here whole time right?
mossy laurel
Thank you
oblique nacelle
post from @mossy laurel
mossy laurel
your havaing a debate
indigo topaz
Weird question, Will they add achievements into the game?:o
oblique nacelle
Ive been making a list of things I spotted
climbing, jetpack, unclimbable wall, portable crystal/biomass
camo, mines, healing/damaging bubble, armor
stun, lure, poison, syringes(health/misc boosts)
armor piercing rifle, melee weapon, healing gun
old veldt
It seems you arent here long time. Whole duscussion was about new classes and weapons.
oblique nacelle
Yeah, climbing picks or something, to get up verticla walls
Slow, but unlimited and versatile
old veldt
Climbing claws.
oblique nacelle
emphasis on slow
mossy laurel
we need more features for eqipment
oblique nacelle
also, no debating in here, 'member
lean haven
Not really, since drills create a path for everyone
oblique nacelle
point, tater
lean haven
Climbing claws would effect only the person using them
oblique nacelle
I'm liking the idea of a stalker class, active camo with limited use, powerful melee weapon, lure grenades, climbing claws, traps, etc.
just an idea
also, mods if you're reading this, here's a recap of the main points of that conversation
There was a lot of talk about the ups and down of a sniper class, as well as a healing class
There was also these ideas posted throughout:
climbing claws, jetpack, portable crystal/biomass
camo(makes enemies prioritize allies before you), mines, healing/damaging bubble(specifically shock field), armor/shield boosts for allies
stun, lure, poison, grenades
syringes(health/misc boosts), healing gun
armor piercing rifle, melee weapon, radioactive/elemental weaponry
a sort of modification for the engineer cheese platform gun to build vertical walls that enemies can't climb
And Cybermetic was worried his post would be lost in the conversation, so I will repost
I have a serious suggestion for a new update
A quality of life update
1st off
Sticky goo in the fungus bogs should be easily broken through only 1 or 2 pickaxe strikes
2nd off
Extra objective and secondary objective materials should yeald extra credits at the end of a mission, like gold
for ex, 405 morkite and 11 apoca blooms
5 morkite (worth 1 each?, find a value) + 1 extra apoca bloom = 10 extra credits
That would make me feel better about not leaving anything behind
In response to Cybermetics idea for bonuses for objective materials, I think it would be nice to have a tier system for bonus rewards
ex. tier 1 60% of objective, tier 2 100%, tier 3 150%
toxic pike
Here is a simple one. Make an emmisive color version of the MK2 armors (Doesn't need to be too strong of an emissive value, but at least enough to see them in the Dark). Extra points if you make Scout's look like the glow in the dark Buzzlightyear from the second movie.
gray crater
@toxic pike neon-ish glow suff? me likey.
the'yd stand out more and be more noticed/appreciated throught the match, too.
[Suggestion]
make the Map tool bindable to 6, similar to the scanner, and take it off centre screen, so i can run around with it more comfortabley.
thanks.
main olive
[Suggestion to add to above suggestion]
Have a little terrain scanner on Driller's Drills
[Second Suggestion]
Allow Terrain Scanner to better indicate if terrain is above or below you, by perhaps changing the colors to that of how SPEC_MAPs work (Blue is lower, Red is higher, leaving Green as same level)
gray crater
@main olive I likey
it's always annoyed me, but hadn't thought of a way of fixing it, or even 'to' fix it.
main olive
As for coding since the map is client-side anyways have it scan X amount of meters below the player, generating the "lowest" map (blue) then offset and scan again heading up (light blue) then offset to the player's depth (green) offset again (yellow) finally (red) for the top most layer.
Also perhaps when the viewer is opened some keybindings/controls could be overridden for additional control of the map (show/hide layers) so that one could only show Blue, Light Blue, Green for "digging down" or only show Green, Yellow, and Red for digging up
OR attach it to the players view pitch looking 45 degrees up or down would trigger what to show, but looking between those limits shows all
the above "OR" suggestion could also be applied to the current terrain scanner as well. If color mapping would be an issue (this is regarding players that suffer from color blindness)
but if that's the case at least make lower terrain dark grey and White be the highest
(or allow it as a setting in options for those that'd prefer a color map, or greyscale because of vision impairments)
@gray crater not sure if I should ping AT:Devs or they will see this, However what are your thoughts on it?
near glacier
i think thats a problem
you see i just entered a game and for no reason boom kicked
and ive seen a couple reviews mention that
and i like the game very much to the point ive played it 10 hours straight first day
solid dune
the group may have been waiting for a friend/newfriend to join them, it would be nice for the host to have an option to give as to why they kicked a person
near glacier
they where two guys but anyway no worries
solid dune
ohh this doesn't apply to you really though hmmm
old veldt
Maybe they wanted to be only 2 of em but i agree that was rude.
near glacier
i would even leave if they said you know man we wait for two friends
solid dune
maybe not sure anyways, lol, i am thinking about moments when people are in a lobby, but in game it does happen when a person gets disconnected and needs to rejoin again
near glacier
then why host public?
old veldt
They could have asked you to leave politely.
near glacier
theres a button host private session boom solved
old veldt
Agreed.
near glacier
by the way thanks for the quick responses appreciate that ๐
solid dune
the session i am in right now, none of use were steam friends, we had to kick a person from the lobby for the 4th to rejoin... so yeah, it feels bad to kick people who don't deserve it! this is why i keep gaining steam friends ;)
old veldt
They should expand steam friendlist to go infinite.
Kind of bummer you can have 250-300 friends at max.
near glacier
yeah its bad! i dont mind leaving by myself if they ask politely
i hate it when its just insta kick
near glacier
whats an old chap? "D
gray crater
@main olive this games' beauty is in it's simplicity.
nice thoughts, but it's not simple.
main olive
@gray crater just the color part or the view pitch part?
lofty cloud
In the trailer they showed some big collector thing is that coming or not?
If not they should add it
They should also give the donkey hp would add a nice new challenge
solid dune
that's the minehead from the point extraction mission type, instead of a m.u.l.e. you have that to deposit stuff into
main olive
If they impliment the color part or greyscale depth I'd be happy, if they also add how high i'm looking or low to show what's below above me also more happy
gray crater
@main olive mostly the zooming stuff. just the colour tone would be fine for finding the next entrances. cool tones for down, warms for up.
safe barn
Give molly health. Then I can finally have my revenge!
gray crater
@safe barn nope nope nope... one or 2 C4's... instant mission failure state.
people join matches they see you hosting... boom bye molly. FXCING trolls would be real.
main olive
why failure state? just have it downed, have to "repair" it
safe barn
@gray crater But I must make her pay for all the deaths she has caused!
gray crater
.... if you died, it's you're own fault.
unless someone C4's you, it's you're fault. always.
gray crater
@main olive eh seems kinda pointless to repair it, plenty of time between waves.
main olive
I still think it'd be a fun option
adding modifiers I think is viable for stuff
that way people are not forced to endure it
gray crater
Rock and Stone.
drifting cape
I feel mactera on higher difficulties need a nerf in the swarm number, at least on solo. I play gunner and while the gun is firing I can't dodge them from the distance they spit at and one volley is usually enough to down me, while it takes a few seconds at the very least for the minigun to gun just one out of like 7-9 down.
Maybe not even a nerf, just more dodgey after being shot instead of having to face a firing squad that eat bullets for breakfast
main olive
I'll have to try a solo on haz 4 and see if that's viable, but my play style is fire for 2-3 seconds sprint to new spot, turn and fire again
normally sprinting messes up their aim/ready to spit
drifting cape
Usually, but what about when they come and there is nowhere to run like in one of those pits that you have to go down. You just lose like 2 lives to random chance and even then the stray hits and stagger fire will be enough to whittle me down
main olive
location and positioning, normally if I'm solo and a swarm comes, I tend to run back to a spot I already know
if I was forging ahead
sometimes I have to goomba stomp my way over bugs taking some dmg but it's worth it to get to a good kiting ground
drifting cape
Right, but there is no warning for the random mactera deathsquad. It's not that they're impossible to deal with it's just that as far as random waves while adventuring I feel they need to be reeled in a tad. A simple reduction in numbers and add some acid spitters or swarmers would make them more than fine for me.
idle quartz
if solo you could let bosco murder them all while you just weave
drifting cape
They got a lot of health to do that
idle quartz
i havnt noticed, but do they stagger under fire? do they panic from bombs?
drifting cape
Not from what I've seen. I think the mactera themselves are fine, it's just the random encounters of like 8 of them that feel excessive
drifting cape
Like you wouldn't see 3 praetorians randomly while exploring but i'd rather deal with that than the mactera death squad
idle quartz
they dont automatically aggro to you right?
royal basin
I'd rather deal with 10 praetor. and they do
drifting cape
When I notice them they usally fire a volley into my back or im lucky enough to see them coming
last wasp
They just appear and boom, they're all shooting you
last wasp
Also they tend to shoot,dodge into terrain so you can't hit em, dodge out
royal basin
I think that was intentional
royal basin
all part of being the first flying hostile mob
There are bound to be kinks and things to work out with them
last wasp
It'd be neat if there were friendly ones that'd attack glyphid
Predators
Or cave leeches occasionally just eating one
royal basin
With the recent debuff to praetors i dont think thats going to happen
drifting cape
lol that'd be pretty funny actually
last wasp
I mean, it'd make sense, dwarves aren't exactly their natural prey
main olive
debuff to Praetorians?
royal basin
Armor plates can be shot off now
main olive
oh that's "all bugs" and I love it
last wasp
The armor that can be shot off, though it has a TON of HP
main olive
best change yet
last wasp
Dreadnaughts need it the most, and they're the ones who don't have it QQ
royal basin
Its still something
main olive
now they don't eat all my turret ammo
hmm Dreadnaughts I think it's ok that they need to be shot in the ass only it's a boss
last wasp
It's in planning
I dunno, the fact you really can't hurt it if it's aggroing you is awful
main olive
however, I think for Praetorians (and Dreadnaught if impliemented) get faster the less armor they have
last wasp
Unless you're a driller and wanna spend 10 minutes killing it with DoT
main olive
or should
main olive
only for the butt armor
last wasp
Right
drifting cape
I still can't get over the image of a mactera just flying around and a cave leech snapping it out of the air with its tongue like a frog
main olive
I mean all the armor
last wasp
Don't they already speed up when shot?
main olive
aka why I said "Praetorians"
last wasp
Or when close enough to you
main olive
it's more of the idea, it has less heavy armor on, should get faster
they still need a rush attack
OR if going in a straight like build up speed
so you need to kite around them
drifting cape
Get it to smash into a wall or something like bullfighting
main olive
it's a short burst of speed yea
but idk I do'nt feel its enough gap closing
what makes some fights easy
last wasp
Definitely closes unless you're sprinting away from them
And then it's roughly the same speed
main olive
give it grasshopper legs
last wasp
Or another armored bug
main olive
boing smack
last wasp
I could see a jumper bug, but not one with a SHIELD too
main olive
I think a ram bug would benifit from the spring shot legs
last wasp
Like, instead of sprinting at, they'd bounce at?
main olive
yeah, hobble to a spot, get some LOS on you, ready up, Boing
last wasp
Ouch
main olive
I think the sprinting or option for a short sprint and "nom" could go to the praetorian
and a short "leap" attack for warriors
for when you're on a zipline
or floaty island
swarmers are already perfectly fast and annoying
but they might need a "can't get to player, try to leap" move
last wasp
The swarmer tunnels seem to continually send new ones though, which isn't great
Unless it's only the audio that keeps replaying, and it's just coincidence swarmers show up after
lean haven
When will we get an enemy I can flip on its back to attack the weak spot for massive damage?
idle quartz
audio bug makes sense, geysers have a similar issue where you hear them even after they blow up
last wasp
Only if it's an enemy crab
idle quartz
or a turtle
last wasp
Electric crystals too
lean haven
๐
main olive
I think if they get enough content, they could have differnt critter types in the biomes
last wasp
That's their plan IIRC
Glyphid would just be one enemy group, probably in fungal biome
main olive
can split them between Fungal and Biozone
last wasp
And they'd work up to similar but different enemy types in others
Biozone seems aquatic-ish
With the coral, jellies, weird plants
last wasp
Giant enemy crabs
main olive
angry snip snap doggos
actually a giant enemy crab would work for the "boss" spawn Team something big is coming your way
hmm I guess Gylphids would work for Fungal and Sandblasted. Since those would be viable places for ANT-like creatures
lean haven
Glyphids can be almost anywhere, spiders/ants are almost everywhere
Just not an ice biome
main olive
true I was just wondering if enemy type could be like the resource type, Abundant and sparse
lean haven
Maybe just cycle the enemies like they do some of the passive hazards
gray crater
@main olive
true I was just wondering if enemy type could be like the resource type, Abundant and sparse
^this
lean haven
I just want some crabbos
main olive
crabbos in the Biozone ๐ very heavy armor and dmg?
glacial charm
There should be a Discord Rank for Supporters like myself
lean haven
I'm playing some DS3 when I get home for a dosage of some crabby goodness
glacial charm
Also I dont and my teamates in-game dont see my supporter badge....
main olive
I'd like region bosses too (I mentioned element based Dreadnaughts) but would be cool to see some bosses like big bad crab, the Mantis like bug that Drygo mentioned. The Sandworm they're thinking of for the Sandy Corridors
glacial charm
There already is an elemental one hehe
Stupid fire Dreadnuaghts.... Hate em
Every time I become an engineer they always go for literally only me....
Makes hilarious gameplay doh!
main olive
fire one yeah but would be cool that it'd depend on the biome and RUN ENGIE RUN!
jolly chasm
An enemy thats disguised as gold
glacial charm
I support that
last wasp
Oh god, ore mimics with slight differences
glacial charm
I support new enemy = MIMICS
jolly chasm
Yes!
main olive
mineral leech
main olive
oh god could you imagine I'd shit myself, a line of nitra, go to swing and it just fucking loops around and eats my ass
like a bobbit worm
jolly chasm
Looooo
jolly chasm
Well
lean haven
Barrel bots
astral lion
Since dwarf has their fancy machinery so there should be some droids they sent in first instead of dwarves.
lean haven
Minigame
jolly chasm
That would be completely out of the frendchise
glacial charm
Imagine this entire time the Dwarves were just fcking drunk on their asses seeing all these ants turn into what we see in-game " Hungry, badass de-formed, super sized ants "
astral lion
...Minigame?
lean haven
Fight your barrels
main olive
if anyone is wondering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMorvRRbZ5E bobbit worm
combine that with covering itself in minerials
lean haven
Rc barrel bot battle arena
glacial charm
Maybe on the space rig they could add mini games to pass the time and/or just calm their nerves from all the " Hungry, badass de-formed, super sized ants "
main olive
by the gods, those buggers get big
glacial charm
Yeah I should know, my secondary is engineer. R.I.P.
jolly chasm
Imagine minigames ingame
Like
Press a button, the dwarf looks at some kind of clock
lean haven
Minigame are fun :)
jolly chasm
And plays an 8 bit game
lean haven
I've actually given a bunch of minigame suggestions so far
jolly chasm
Hm
glacial charm
Does anybody ever use the MAP RADAR?
I sure dont.
Whats it suppose to be for?
I dont see anything on it
Other than scribbles
glacial charm
Lel
atomic lotus
I think there should be a function for sprinting/walking, because i see no point to just use walking. Like maybe enemies could not notice you if you walk slowly past them, but if you sprint they'll notice or something
Sprinting or walking is actually a function in a lot of games that just doesn't make any sense. Everyone is sprinting and there is absolutely no use for an option to walk slowly instead of sprinting faster. Also it strains your finger when you hold shift 24/7
main olive
the sprint function has a toggle in the options menu, barring it's a tad laggy.
and sprinting makes you go faster but you can't shoot
plus if you're in a tight tunnel that your driller has kindly made a stair case in the side of it's nice not to accidently run off the edge
So I'm not entirely sure what you're asking
atomic lotus
Ah okay, didn't notice that
And yeah well you have a point, walking in tight spaces could be wiser to prevent falling down
Maybe i'll take my words back ๐
feral vector
I would like to suggest that there will always be at least one of each mission type available at all times. I love point extraction, and prefer to play only those, but the last three times ive logged on none were available. Would it be possible to take into consideration in the algorith that one of each mission type is always available perhaps?
gray crater
[SUGGESTION]
saw this on steam:
on someone joining, bosco wanders back to start area; if they insta leave again, bosco strolls back down to you.
this prevents people leaving on death so that bosco can help the last man standing, then they all rejoin when the fightings done.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/548430/discussions/1/3211505894118617064/#c3211505894120460845
swift crow
Maybe Molly could have a little hatch, where Bosco can live. That way, if you end up being left alone, Bosco can come out and help you.
lethal lagoon
Sometimes the quick join function is totally blocked by people who go AFK, in a public lobby, i suggest implementing a timeout function for lobbies where there has been no activity for more then 5-10 minutes. And that lobby is then dropped.
ivory storm
what yall think about being able to actually die instead of being permanently downed until you get some booze poured on you and then you're okay again?
main olive
like vermintide style? Downed > Die. will you be able to respawn? or out for good?
lean haven
Purple drank 4 lyfe
main olive
cause if I died because you know, accidental falling. And i'm out for the whole mission
lethal lagoon
I think permanent death would be destroying the experience my self
ivory storm
nah
main olive
I don't like it
ivory storm
i mean like coz the way it is atm
if you get downed
u can just sit around for 5-10 minutes until someone revives you
main olive
So what would help my understanding, is explain the whole suggestion
ivory storm
sorry i worded it extremely badly
lean haven
You can, but the swarm counts don't go down because someone is downed. So now your team is dealing with more enemies per person, and it becomes harder to survive and get you back up
ivory storm
yeah that's true
main olive
yeah it was a kinda "just die for good" is what I consider a "passing comment"
there was no plan, idea for it
ivory storm
i guess in other games there is a fixed enemy count so it makes more sense
lethal lagoon
and in point extraction, it snowballs
ivory storm
actually in retrospect it was a passing comment
lethal lagoon
if u cant get the 4th member on his feet, fast enough, you'll run out of ammo and get more and more enemies
ivory storm
since i didn't really have any concepts behind it
lean haven
I'm glad I get to pour out some lean for my homies
main olive
I'd be ok with it if there was a valid system, and a respawn action
but if you just die and that's it
nah
ivory storm
yeah sorry I meant akin to other co-op style games
lean haven
Treat it like left 4 dead and have your teammates respawn inside of barrels
ivory storm
just straight up dying instead of downing first would be kind of :big_thonk:
main olive
but what is the downing? is it timer? is it bugs nibbling at your toes?
what says you're not dead for good
how long do you have?
lean haven
I'd think timer would be better. Like a bleed out mechanic
ivory storm
yeah a bleed out mechanic
main olive
booze out mechanic
ivory storm
though on higher difficulties i'd imagine you'd die in 1-2 seconds if damage accounted to the bleed out timer so a straight up timer only bleed out would be more balanced i think
lean haven
Attempting to revive would give the person a little extra time if for whatever reason they couldn't be completely revived
lean haven
1.5 minutes
main olive
people have to get to you
main olive
60-90 seconds? I'm not sure, with being chased by bugs, or trying to safely get to someone
what if the scout died up high?
lean haven
It'd also keep people from wandering off, knowing that if they get separated and die, that could be it for them
ivory storm
^
main olive
then what would being a scout be good for then?
lean haven
It would encourage scout teamplay
main olive
so you're up high, like magma core (cause tones of stuff is shoved into the roof) and a explodier gets you
ivory storm
well, when I'm playing other co-op style games on high difficulties
i always do a 360 or at least glance behind me every 4-5 seconds
but i also know that DRG isn't really meant to be super hardcore or anything
at least the way it is atm
main olive
https://youtu.be/phs3i0onDDg?t=20s crawling like this?
see that's you, and me. Some people are not very... aware
and to have a some noob randos just up and die
puts me behind
then what? I carry them to victory solo?
ivory storm
ye that is a concern as well
lean haven
Crawl by flexing their beard muscles
main olive
free mission rewards
main olive
but YOU CAN GET THEM again
they're not perma dead
unless a DEED in vermintide 2 says so
but that's a Mutator
ivory storm
oh I haven't played vt2 yet
i've only played vt1
and on vt1 i normally play on nightmare difficulty which has no respawns iirc
main olive
if they die die and gone for good good then fk that
lean haven
Or haz 5 if they ever add one
main olive
I'd rather Haz 5 and up and have that
ivory storm
ye, haz 4 atm as it is is pretty ok where it stands
main olive
because then getting that 125% or 150% bonus would make sense
ivory storm
at least i think
ivory storm
point extraction on haz 5 would be ๐ฌ though
main olive
80 for ammo 120 for bring in the bois (or boi)
ivory storm
yeah defo
main olive
but if not then I'd only play with a select group. But honestly I like playing with randos as I can meet new people, even is some of them can't look over their shoulder
also I wish we could fork over some of our own credits to being in drops if I run out of Nitra
Nitra could be that "if you don't want to pay"
lean haven
Start out on lower difficulties with randos until you can work together cohesively, then permadeath mode
main olive
that's if Randos stay long enough. Some people go for 3-4 games others they're gone after 1
ivory storm
a bonus to completing missions consecutively one after another would be cool
im not sure if that would be enough of an incentive for people to stick together though coz the missions are quite long in fairness
people do what they do
main olive
it'd have to be limited tot he hazard, I could rack up a bunch of haz 1's then do a haz4 and pull in the big rewards
ivory storm
yeah exactly
main olive
and i'd speed run that shit, fk 2nd obj just grab primary and go
then do my due digging on a haz 4 lol
loaaads of money
idk I don't think this game is ready yet for a perma death, as it stands
If done right, and put in the right Hazard with a incentive to try-hard then sure
ivory storm
yeah i've mentioned this before, the game atm is a bit too casual
defo needs more development before anything hardcore gets put in
main olive
also if new hazards are added, and that is tacked on, I want those limited by player level
no PL 1-7s joining a Haz 5+ group and just dying
and if you reset your profile something should say "this is the highest PL you got to"
so people know you're just redoing for the giggles
but you know what you're doing
ivory storm
right yeah
main olive
that's why it's not ready lol until there can be limitors either per lobby or haz, then it'd just kill it for a vet player trying to try-hard to only lose a player slot cause a nub just died and now everyone that fills it is ded
but maybe, they could have it planned, it is almost a uniform mechanic in co-op games
trim creek
Anyone ever play dawn of war 2?
Iโd like to make a suggestion, but I donโt want it to fall on deaf ears
lethal lagoon
make the suggestion i'd say, many people here are from what i can tell quite experienced gamers
but if you are trying to refer to something spesific from a game title, it could be advisable to explain the conscept first, then do the parallelle
trim creek
Ok, well in the game dawn of war 2 there is a separate mode called the last stand (they eventually turned this into something called โthe last standaloneโ since people enjoyed it so much but didnโt necessarily want to play the original game). The foundation of dawn of war is an RTS, but the last stand is a wave based horde mode. I think their system of rewards could work quite well for DRG. In the last stand, each person controls one character out of I think four different races, and at the beginning, you have a typical loadout per the lore of that character. Take space marine for example; you start with a power sword, a pistol, a leader item, and a special item (like a grenade). Now over the course of that match, you use the items that you selected in your loadout in the lobby. This is important: no item is better or worse than any other, they are all situational, and encourage synergy depending on what someone else brings to the table. With each level gained, you can unlock new items, with I believe 20 levels total gained. Depending on what item you bring to the match, you can really change the play style of your character, and even with only four classes (such as in DRG) you have a wild range of possibilities. I would like to TF2 to correlate this description in terms of items acting as sidegrades more than upgrades, furthermore I would watch some YouTube videos of Dow2 - the last stand. Itโll give a better idea of what Iโm referring to.
I think rather than gaining an item outright such as in the last stand, they should award โcrafting plansโ at each level, but still require you to dedicate the resources to it. In this way, you could see that you have an unlock at level 17, and decide that you want to save up to craft that as soon as you hit the level. It would encourage long term planning.
main olive
DoW2 has 5 vanilla and 2 DLC for last stand. And not sure how that'd work in DRG, and it may, or may not discourage new players if they have to grind to lvl 20 to get the grapple hook for scout (as an example)
plus then you end up with people only using "the best" items, which makes say creating those base items a waste of content
near glacier
Hi there, in reddit people were discussing crowd control mechanics and this suggestion came up. Have you ever considered adding crowd control effects such as stun/panic etc. to weapons? For example, if you've played Killing Floor, you might know that in that game explosives cause enemies caught in the explosion radius to get stunned and flamethrowers/molotovs cause enemies to panic and run around randomly when they are set on fire. Are you thinking about adding a similar mechanic to DRG? I think that would be amazing.
Also, staged reloading could be cool as well. Right now, especially with the grenade launcher, even if you switch to another weapon/equipment at the last milisecond of the reload animation, you have to start the reload from the beginning which is kind of frustrating. Adding stages to reloading animations could be nice so that if magazine is inserted, even if you cancel the reload, when you continue reloading with that weapon, it would continue from the phase that begins after inserting the magazine--pulling the charging handle etc.
main olive
Scout has LFG or w/e his gernade is that slows everything caught in it. An explosion in the face of a glypid makes it run away in fear for a bit.
Altho lighting something on fire has no effect other than DoT.
there are also some environmental hazards that also effect players and bugs
lethal lagoon
i think the scout grenade is called FSG, but i'm not sure
last wasp
IFG; Inhibitor-Field Generator grenade, apparently
ivory storm
yeah
near glacier
To be honest, at the moment it doesn't feel like any weapon, apart from the IFG, seems to have any noticable effect to any enemies. Machine gun, grenade launcher, shotgun, flamethrower, they all seem to lack any effect on enemies other than dealing damage. Staggering effect with shotguns at close range, panic effect when you set enemies with a flamethrower or explosives actually stunning/disorienting them would be much better and add depth to the strategy in my opinion.
winged veldt
Is this where I give a quick suggestion?
Maybe some one has already suggested it but have a way for the material trading ui for me to trade directly for materials to materials
or maybe more greedy stuff like directly trading metirals with other players
toxic pike
I do think being able to trade with other players. Even at a loss. Would let us focus down on boosting 1 player that is lacking on the group. Or simply handing down material you no longer have a need for.
winged veldt
I like player run economies
main olive
push come to shove materials counts could be populated by players buying and selling
I sell 50 jadiz, 50 jadiz is now on the market
however issue is things buying out before you can get a hold of it
I would like to see fire have an effect however it's so easy to set things ablaze that teh Driller would become the CC god instantly
trim creek
@main olive the point is to not have anything better than something else, hence why I referenced tf2. Furthermore, the idea is that the items you have right now in DRG is what you would start out with as a loadout; you wouldnโt have to grind to get any of those items. Options would instead unlock with levels.
old veldt
Nah thats too easy.
main olive
I'm already grinding for materials, now I have to grind for unlocks. Even then it's still incredibly hard to balance everything so that going one route of unlocks would be the same as another route
say if I had to pick from Extended mag, vs Bonus Dmg, everyone would say bonus dmg, because I can shoot more per clip I'm still shooting my max amount of ammo, where more dmg my max amount of ammo now is worth more
then it drops into "builds" and then you end up seeing everyone with the same loadout
because it's the best loadout
With DoW2 you have more leeway because that silly little bolt pistol is weak, but it gives 1.5hp regen. But DRG doesn't have stats like that at all
without some incentive or desired buff/trait things fall off and become "nub gear" that no one touches once they advance enough to swap it out
You can look at any CoD game after World at War and see there are Guns that no one even touches
except for hipsters
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for loadout options, and more guns to pick from. But it's a difficult task to balance it in a rock paper sicssors fashion, that going with gun A only makes to good against creature X
Like if scout was able to swap his Sawn off for an SMG or drillers pistol so he could favor picking off weaker targets at range. But if you want to hit heavies you'd take the sawn off and go shotgun monkey
run in, unload, grapple away, reload
fallow river
Also the fact that you can rely on one class to have a specific item is key
It allows you to work as a team
And now in a glance what ablities they have
next blade
Hey! I would love to see splitscreen implemented. When I hang out with my wife we love to play games together. It is a bonding moment and I know this game would improve and benefit from adding splitscreen
main olive
I take it this is an Xbox suggestion?
split citrus
If they managed to get it working on console it would be nice on pc as well, although that's a somewhat niche market
main olive
yeah there's not enough room at my desk to allow SS. however that's my desk, I'm sure someone else with a PC rig might have a setup for SS
fallow river
yeah I used to be a console gamer
But i swapped the console with a PC and put in a movables desk for my keyboard
I would like Splitscreen, but I dont think it's too important
lucid oxide
Split screen would be epic for me. That would mean I could play with my brother and cousins
safe barn
@lucid oxide Thats a good idea.
barren hound
Just talking about this in general chat: since the game is co-op is it possible to create a bundle pack to buy friends the game also? Perhaps a small percentage discount with it would be great ๐
near glacier
sad w
stone girder
@spare kestrel Hey cool game. However, my GTX 970 is faulty (drivers are updated) and I am unable to alter the graphic settings. I need to be able to change the graphic settings down to the lowest in order not to crash on my windows PC. Also Sorry, not sure where to post this message. Thanks in advance!
mossy laurel
I have a serious suggestion for a new update
A quality of life update
1st off
Sticky goo in the fungus bogs should be easily broken through only 1 or 2 pickaxe strikes
2nd off
Extra objective and secondary objective materials should yeald extra credits at the end of a mission, like gold
for ex, 405 morkite and 11 apoca blooms
5 morkite (worth 1 each?, find a value) + 1 extra apoca bloom = 10 extra credits
That would make me feel better about not leaving anything behind
@idle blade
main olive
Hmm that's the 3rd time I saw you post that, I believe they might have seen it, and possibly cataloged it. I say Possibly because we had a discussion on. At least on point 2. Point 1 I think they intend to allow Driller to burn it away
lean haven
They've definitely seen it at this point. No need to ping them about it while they're sleeping
gray crater
@BluesAdam#4759 all explosives have a Fear effect. do enough splody damage and they turn tail for 6 seconds.
basically, engi-nade to the face, shotgun in the bum.
[Steam Profile sharing] - is kind of pointless, it should probably be a locked "how to add your steam profile to your Discord" Tutorial?
or am I missing something?
tepid dove
Endless mode
paper flame
change the color of the drill when we wear an armor, exemple with the black armor, the drill still be yellow
jolly chasm
Hm, its still an equipable weapon tho
near glacier
Little holes form where bullets hit :o
Instead of decals
Replace the mining decals with 3d cracks .3.
Bugs catch fire when hit with the flame thrower after 2 seconds
Or 1 .3.
Reload animations for engineer shot gun, 40 mm grenade launcher :D
The bigger xenos can smash threw dirt or common rock? :D
Different weapons for each class :D going by they're personality of weapon choice
When minigun is heating up make it so steam is coming of the Barrel or something like it x3
Small bugs when blown up with explosives should be blow into pieces with parts of legs flying every where x3
Bug blood should stay on the ground longer and should get on weapons and armor if the bug gets to close
It should get dusty when you blow up something in that area ^~^
Bigger personality to each class .3.
Add conversation to each class :D
Magazines stay on the ground like flares do
near glacier
"you slimy bitch"
"ouch, watch it! You could of blown off my head idiot."
"take that you worthless shit"
"god damnit I just washed my Beard"
"you flying fucks"
old veldt
๐ค
near glacier
"wall with eyes urh.. eye wall! Uhh whatever that creepy shit is"
"dreadnought!!!"
"sentry coming up!" (tf2 engineer reference?)
"sentry out of ammo!"
"my darlings are out!"
old veldt
Are you alright lad?
near glacier
"Molly the goodist of mules" (emptying goods into molly)
"fellas over here" (calling you teammates to follow)
"I'm taking a nap after this." (When escaping in pod)
pulsar coyote
Mate are you good
near glacier
"fire in the hoooole!"
pulsar coyote
Ig not
pulsar coyote
I know what he's doing but idk why
near glacier
Some bios should have a faint mist on ground
Magma core should have some lava pools and lava Rivers, streams, or waterfall like ^~^
iron mulch
Suggestion: The cobweb covering your face could maybe wobble a bit when you turn around quickly or jump
just a nice little extra
old veldt
@near glacier devs said that there will not be flowing effects such as water flow or lava flow or poools.
So sorry to pop your bubble.
near glacier
Ohh ok I geuss it's to much for the engine >~<
There should be a xeno that runs faster then the rest and charges at the player making a creepy scream like in dead spaces 2 with those creepy runners
pulsar coyote
I know it's probably never gonna be in the game but wouldn't it be crazy if the driller had a big ass drilling mec
old veldt
A drilling mech you say?
pulsar coyote
Ik but like something he could call down for like 200 nitro
Like it would drill bigger holes faster so like if your running to the drill but your stuck you can get out faster
iron mulch
actually
we used to be able to call down floodlights and stuff, I kinda liked that
it'd be cool if the things you called down would be class-specific tho so no class would be completely useless because you can just call down their stuff like sentries
eager vale
Re add floodlights those were my fav thing they removed
Big sentries
The old big ones
iron mulch
yeah floodlights were so nice to have but made the scout's flare kinda useless except that you had to pay nitra
eager vale
Not useless the spotlights were for general lighting the flares are for specific lighting
pulsar coyote
I just thought it was a cool idea
boreal lintel
Alternatively, improve the scout's flare so that it shines almost as bright as a floodlight. Give him less ammo if necessary.
split lotus
Best Idea > Make the scout be the only one able to call in flood lights, along with giving the other classes also exclusive call-ins.
iron mulch
yeah that's what I said
"it'd be cool if the things you called down would be class-specific(...)"
tho the devs have probably already thought of it
idle quartz
^yes please
last wasp
The hwuh
solid raven
will there be achievements?
twilit slate
@barren hound Steam has gotten rid of buying more than one copy of a game at a time due to people just buying the packs and then selling them on Grey Market websites
main olive
I guess that makes sense, and with a 4 pack you do get a bit of a discount (regarding 4 games that is) so you technically buy your own version for discounted then sell the other 3 at face value (what Steam charges)
balmy sierra
@near glacier not really UE 4 is quite good.
quartz edge
Howdy everyone.
Was playing around and thought all the caves seems to support dwarven life and what if they didn't? Fully suited dwarven miners in NBC armour with one of those wicked Stony stoic face helm. Between sections of the cave we can have those heln open up to get respite.
Up armored dwarves are a sight to be hold.
barren hound
@twilit slate Ah i see ๐ฆ
twilit slate
yeah it sucks but it does help combat grey market websites
I have a possible suggestion! Have a dwarf based on the classic fantasy dwarf! Melee/close range fighting!
Give him a hard-light headed axe (acts like a torch for consitant small radius of dim light around him) and a shield with a built in short range shotgun that fires if it blocks a hit!
Standard gernades or none what so ever.
Edit: Has a rapple rope so that he can allow people to climb up and down easy if its set up ahead of time and a really weak side arm like the diller
Another suggesstion for something that doesnt really fit into my previous idea, have dwarf (maybe the driller) to be able to throw a gernade or maybe even use a divice that when smacked against a wall/floor/etc that it gives a holographic heads up of what the caves structure is like and be able to tell you where a material is.
It would allow the devs to create even more hidden resources/caves/HIVES?/ruins burried to time? that only that dwarf really can find without spending a long time looking at your map.
narrow aspen
What if every mineral that placed into the mule was confiscated by the corp and players needed to snatch some rocks before they leave the map (during countdown) in order to upgrade?
hot portal
Then how would people carry the mass amount of materials without the M.U.L.E to carry it with? Expand the hold amount of them? I think it's good as it is.
astral lion
Mother M.U.L.E. when?.. I mean the blue one we find in the Space Rig.. Not sure if you can just call it a bigger M.U.L.E. or something.
Since it's bigger, maybe faster deposits?.. Not that it matters much, now that I think about it..
narrow aspen
Well if amount of materials needed for upgrade is decreased than there's no harm in making players snatch rocks into their pockets.
wide prawn
@split lotus Engineer should have the old call-down drop pod sentries again.
But only for Engineer
lean haven
Disable the ability to call Molly during the escape phase
nova wing
@twilit slate i suggested a while back to turn the driller into a full melee character but since they added super small tunnels back and fixed the flames not showing on enemies who caught fire he is now in a slightly better place. However i wouldn't mind having the idea of customizing the dwarfs and having the driller getting a full melee option build.
quaint latch
hi, I would like to have chat added while loading the game (it can be like in the picture ,Polish language)
eager vale
That was a thing but it was regular in the bottom left
worn scaffold
not sure if already suggested, but a communication wheel for instance being able to gain a specific players attention, or specific commands like "engineer- place platform here"
rancid rock
a mode where you have limited lives, so you can only go down for a limited number of times, before you are permanently dead.
main olive
@worn scaffold I like it, special ping system, HOLD CTRL (laser pointer) then hold left-click (opens up ping wheel) I might be easier to just have 4 options (Gunner, Scout, Engineer, Driller) and if you pick an option players of that class will get notified of it (minus the one doing it, Driller to Driller. Driller A has no fuel left but Driller B does, so please dig that spot)
A quick click is just a normal generic ping
Yes their is Voice chat, but some people are insanely loud, or super quiet. Text Chat depending on the situation could get you killed
last wasp
Really, voice chat just needs an ingame voice output option
main olive
also if a bunch of people are laying down pings and you say do X here, some people get confused
worn scaffold
i just find my self often in situations where if i had a simple wheel like that communication between team mates would be a lot better
fathom stag
Voice chat in the game seriously needs some sort of notification or icon showing WHO is talking and WHEN.
Including yourself, so you know you're actually being heard by the game and don't have to ask every time you voicechat.
last wasp
Also that, voice output volume control, and a notification. I do like the chat wheel idea too though
main olive
some people don't have mics, OR suffer from something that might make talking hard
worn scaffold
all in all i think it might just be a good quality of life function
fathom stag
Also, a suggestion that might mitigate some of the issues with the M.U.L.E 's pathfinding making it annoying to follow back to escape, or two actually.
1: make the beacons it places down longer, maybe a little brighter too so they're easier to keep track of.
2:Alternatively, or additionally, some sort of glowing wire between beacons.
last wasp
I think if they were little arrows it'd be nice, the blinking pattern often messes up for some reason
main olive
@fathom stag 3: being close enough a little "x meters away" pops up on them?
but maybe combine the Glowing Wire with Draygo's little arrow? when you get close to one, there is a small arrow pointing to the next one that the MULE places?
In coding all it has to do is keep a Reference of the "last" placed marker, then when it places the next one. Put the Coords into the old one. then replace it's refernce with that newly palced one
until it's at the droppod
worn scaffold
it could definitely be improved, but i feel like the devs probably have the beacons function that way so that it creates a little bit of difficulty getting back to the pod
raises the stakes a little bit
fallow river
Yeah but it can feel pretty BS when molly climbs a sheer wall or goes through a wall
I mean most of it can be negated by making sure you have a way back
But sometimes caves can be really confusing and you have to use the beacon
fathom stag
Oh yeah, the blinking pattern messes up on the beacons sometimes.
last wasp
I've had it reverse, or restart midway through. It's..weird
fathom stag
I've had occasions where they blink more like christmas lights.
last wasp
That too
fathom stag
Thus making it impossible to tell which direction is which, which is terrible in confusing areas if you have to stop and fight a short bit to get past some bugs.
astral verge
@near glacier and i thought about this idea today, what if deep rock really did invest in better equipment and mule had glitches on propose and the player needed to upgrade to the T.H.E M.U.L.E T= Terrain , H= Hovering E= equipment (name work in progress) and it will hover and wont need to "crawl" towards the player which would be faster then the normal mule. or as a more simple idea have MULE be upgrade able in speed ,weapons and ammo ,shield generation just a thought really love the game
near glacier
There needs to be a way to record the whole Round Like in Halo 3.
Like Halo 3 Theater PLEASE ;-;
near glacier
Example
neon atlas
cant hear you
fathom stag
Quick suggestion: Target list for engineer turrets. And by target list I mean making it so they don't shoot at praetorians unless they're literally the only thing in range, would alleviate the frustrations of turrets wasting tons of ammo on them a good bit.
Turrets basically never really contribute to killing praetorians anyways, the reason they're around is bug-hordes.
main olive
that's true, however is the target list something the player makes? or something that the devs will hard code based on a point system(scan nearest enemies, weakers are higher points so shoot it, armored ones are less points so ignore)? might eat up a bit of CPU for them to make that choice.
However keeping it simple as the turrets just pick a target and fire away is the best CPU useage, I found it's best to run in and try to shotgun the praetorians until too many little ones get around me then I run to the turrets to help me pick them off
maybe an option to have them target melee or ranged attackers. Say Spitters, Webbers, and flies
so I can have a AA turret and a swarmer turret
austere garden
I think turret/weapon options in general could be cool
like before the mission you can choose Antiarmor or 'crowd control' turrents, have the AA guns shoot slow but deal high dmg to praetorians/dreadnought/ dmg armor and maybe implement a simple priority list for each
magic peak
I'd like to see side-grades for every class and gun, rather than the straight upgrades we have right now.
Like, piercing ammor for the gunner, but they overheat faster, and/or he carries less.
austere garden
Yeah stuff like that would be very cool
magic peak
But I imagine balance testing would be a nightmare, let alone coding it in.
austere garden
Or alternate guns with different functions
little axle
Like a scout can have something closer to a DMR if they like, lower capacity but high per shot damage and slower rate of fire
as an example\
magic peak
Perhaps the guns themselves could be the sidegrades, a'la TF2.
little axle
I'm sure someone else has also already mentioned cosmetic skins for the pickaxe, too
main olive
I think it will have to be planned out carefully that it's not "everyone just uses weapon X because it's the best" but where if a team wants to go 2x gunner, then one can be the heavy anti armor, and the other is the group cleaner. As it stands now driller and gunner are crowd cleaners (with some exception to gunner's magnum being heavy DPS) leaving Engineer and scout and this weird crowd cleaning/CC classes
last wasp
I'd want gunner to get some pistol changes/buffs honestly.And Driller too cuz jesus. But it'd be interesting if there were like, shotgun with slugs option for Gunner or something
Acid gun for Driller, melts armor, less DoT
worn scaffold
yeah i think every class should have a different set of weapons, in keeping with the themes that they already have
little axle
Mining laser :3
magic peak
Laser loses the DoT but has piercing, and doesn't reload like the gunner shooty tool or the drills and has the overheat mechanic.
Here's a question since I dont have it unlocked yet. For the flamethrower's sticky gel upgrade, does it hurt teammates to walk through it?
I know I hurt them if I fire the flamer directly at them, and Im not sure if a flaming enemy biting them does more damage or not.
lean haven
A 10 second or so invulnerability period on game join would be nice, so if you join a higher hazard match mid swarm, you don't lose half of your health before you ever get the chance to gain control of your character
last wasp
^^^
frank sky
what if from time to time molly broke down when overcrowded with bugs and you had to go and repair it, maybe it starts moving slowly as it's leg gets injured and you could see sparks going on from it
and enginneer obviously was the best at repairing
rancid rock
how about karl being a last boss, where he has been mutatd by the glyphid, so he is a giant half dwarf half glyphid monster.
hardy yew
Is there any chance we get a server list on xbox? Or is that not possible due to some tech limitation?
Sometimes I don't really have a preference on the hazard or mission type I want to play, but quick join forces me to choose and end up limiting the options of finding a game. A server list like in the PC version would be great
pulsar coyote
Like the queen of blades from StarCraft?
molten fossil
I would like to see a puffer fish variant of the mactera fly, it tries to float close to you and hurts you by contact
Or a mactera that shoots the slowing goop from the fungus bogs region, and killing it makes a puddle of the stuff wjerever its corpse lands
And perhaps a way for whoever is caught to handle the cave leech, say by cooking a grenade and letting it detonate on them
fallow river
^^Escpecially for single player
Dreadnoughts and Leeches, tools to help get around and flares rates seem to be all baalcned for multiple people
If someone is solo maybe increase flares? leeches only take some life rather than downing and a phase of attack that lets solo player get behind dread would be good
molten fossil
Maybe have bosco auto mark big enemies when theyre within a certain range
oh its dark af and im out of flares, whats that i see?
bosco: "BWEEP BOOP!"
OH SHIT ITS A BROOD NEXUS, KILL IT BEFORE IT SPAWNS MORE
pulsar coyote
I don't see anything wrong with the solo for me it's fine the way it is
fallow river
Its fine
But it's unbalanced
Solo has less light, less tools, less revives and is weaker against ceratin modes
I mean I always play multiplayer but for those who only solo maybe changing a few values around so it's fair
I suppose it is really a multiplayer experince but still,
pulsar coyote
I mean I do solo all the time and 2 revives is enough for me
balmy sierra
Armor piercing for turrets, Gunner with an AA shotgun
molten fossil
His revolver is reliable already
inner narwhal
Anyone know if they have any intentions to have character customization for physical appearances? Hair, face, skin color etc?
inner narwhal
Oh haha I haven't bought the game yet, but through my research I couldn't find anything on character customization. So I was just curious. If you don't mind helping me, what customization do they currently have?
fallow river
Theres 2 sets of armour for each class in 3 colours, 4 skin tones (white,black,yellow and blue)
About 5 beards
And 5 hats and 3 hairstyles
Roughly
inner narwhal
Oh okay nice! Thanks. Do they have any face presets or height/weight?
I'm definitely going to get the game now haha
fallow river
No, not right now
inner narwhal
Well thanks dude!
leaden root
Make flares a consumable resourse and have them be a but stronger/brighter. It's strange they are the only thing you can't run out of. I personally love the idea of being able to place/throw a light source instead of just having a stong light where ever you look. While flares in concept are great, they become something you can throw left and right without thinking. It would be far more interesting if you could run out if "light" if you didn't conserve your flares.
Beyond the more interesting gamplay dynamic it also would look nicer to not have dead flares all over the place.
past star
I feel like there should be a Medic dwarf
magic peak
Dwarves are hardy beings that subsist entirely on special meth rocks from space, and hard liquor. The fact that we can bring ourselves from the brink of death by pouring one out for our homies kinda invalidates the need for a specialized medic.
Or if you meant a class that specialized in revives, we do have the scout and his grappling gun already.
lean haven
@leaden root finite flares was a thing during early alpha, they decided to go with regenerating flares.
leaden root
@lean haven do you know why?
lean haven
Nope
ivory storm
making the game more casual probably
wide prawn
The only two ideas for dwarves I can think of that would be good is
- Bard dwarf
Plays music that buffs or something else that buffs
2.melee based berserker dwarf
Self explanatory
Dual axes or something idk
magic peak
1 could be neat. Has a sonar for his special tool, that pings/marks ore in a large radius around him. Maybe uses a guitar for his pickaxe.
For 2, we already have the miner. Just ram your drills in a bug's face and pull the triggers.
lean haven
The driller can use the drills for close range combat, but I wouldn't consider it melee.
rancid rock
what is it then?
lean haven
The lack of real action behind doing it disqualifies it from that in my mind. I don't feel like pressing and holding a button down while moving forwards really counts
rancid rock
so a chainsaw isn't a melee weapon either?
lean haven
Not by my standards, no
rancid rock
so doom guy becomes a handy man when he cuts open demons with the chainsaw?
rancid rock
hold on lads
lean haven
If you're going for a melee fighter "berserker" class like pyro stated initially and shadowbag responded to with the driller as an example, you'd be going more for someone using more analog methods of fighting, like a hammer, sword and shield, axe, etc
rancid rock
doomguy the broomguy got this
main olive
however it's still a tool, the fact it's dangerous and used as a melee weapon just works in it's already dangerous operation. Same with Drills, it's mining equipment, sure in a pinch you can drill something to death, but that wasn't it's function
Also the newest DOOM jokenly made the Painsaw(chainsaw) and it's a silly mechanic compared to all the other dooms
since it's a ammo giving instakill
As for a melee dwarf, since it'd be hard to smack many bugs, he'd have to have a hammer/armor breaking type weapon that could also daze/stun/stagger
rancid rock
i think its sucks that you only use for executions, and not actually run around slicing through everything
takes away the soul of the chainsaw
lean haven
Chainsaws take time to cut through things though
main olive
real ones, yes. Painsaw, nah it was made for flesh lol
which is why it's a "tool" in my books
just like anything it can become a weapon
but that is not its design
lean haven
As for the melee dwarf, one of those axes with a hammer on the back half would be kind of cool
main olive
actually that'd be cool. Like how shachel charges let you hit reload to switch from detonator or charge (to place more) hitting reload with the melee swaps the ends
rancid rock
i sell those things at work
main olive
axe part to look like a bearded axe, hammer bit to slenderly extend but then has a bit bigger of a hammer tip
I can crapply draw it rq
if anyone wanted
lean haven
Go for it and I'll tell you if that's what I had in mind
rancid rock
what about a pick axe, that has an axe blade on the other side, like a twinheaded battleaxe, just pick axe and axe blade
main olive
jesus this is so bad
hammer bit should actually be smaller
maybe like a ballpoint hammer?
lean haven
Close to what I had in mind. I'd want the blade to extend upwards as well
main olive
I was going for viking bearded axes, but it could. slashy wide contact for light armor (maybe a cleave like attack) and then "reload" to twirl it in your grip to use hammer for armor pen
but then it's a single target
great for praetorians. headshots might apply the slow effect from scouts gernade? daze them
sidearm could use the magnum or drillers pistol, or a shotgun
also I drew a bit of mass in the middle so that either "head" would be able to make use of it for the swing/momentum and to keep the balance in check
lean haven
I'd like the hammer bit to be useable to damage and eventually break off heavy armor on enemies like the praetorian and dreadnaught
The axe portion would be good for slashing small enemies
And it'd bring me some joy to knock a mactera out of the air with the hammer :)
main olive
they need to add ragdoll without death ๐
swarmer golf
(altho they're so weak they'd splatter anyways)
lean haven
Glyphid golf minigame yes please
ivory storm
or just breaking off armor with normal pickaxe would be fine with me
little axle
How about a slow moving tram/mining platform through a tunnel where dwarves take control of mining laser turrets and have to defend the tram in turns while mining resources along the way
pulsar coyote
I like that idea
peak scarab
I want to suggest unlimited healing from bosco the robot so no mission fails on solo mode
near glacier
night vision goggles and bosco as a pet for everyone
molten fossil
That berzerker dwarf should have a rifle, it should do considerable damage per shot, fire slowly (bolt action preferably) and have a rather small pool of ammo, like the scout's double barrel.
The rifle would serve a purpose for dealing with things you just cant get close to, exploder glyphids and cave leeches come to mind
Maybe give the berzerker dwarf a napalm grenade to set an area on fire to help with CC
Maybe make the berzerker a female dwarf and give her a line about how her beard is pretty
lean haven
molten fossil
as long as she has a somewhat reliable ranged attack. Lest she run into the overwatch problem of reinhardt vs bastion
lucid oxide
Yep, like how the driller only has his sidearm for long distance attacks
little axle
Give her a graviton gun that can do force attacks with high knock-back and damage but very slow fire rate
Or like, a kinetic wave generator gun
peak scarab
Does anyone agree bosco needs more healing so we can have easy mission
lucid oxide
What about a taser/stun gun? Causes everything except cave leaches to drop from vertical/upside down surfaces? Stuns for (short) timespan and disables wall and ceiling walking.
peak scarab
Good lord ๐คฆ๐ปโโ๏ธ๐คฆ๐ปโโ๏ธ
little axle
Also the moment you say "no fails" in any context, I'm done with that avenue of discussion.
main olive
unless it's linked to Hazard, Tourist where you get no rewards "unlimited revives" haz 1, 4 haz 2, 3, haz 3, 2, and on haz 4 only 1
fathom stag
Just saying this in response to your response to my earlier suggestion about target list, Hugo.
I answered your question in the suggestion already, everything but the praetorian being same priority.
So it shoots at targets it can actually freaking damage instead of wasting valuable ammo on praetorian armour.
Everything else has same priority as always.
little axle
Possibly make reviving use a resource, medkit "ammo" - maybe limited to 2 kits per dwarf. Can be replenished by supply drop. Running out of Nitra means dead party or having to find it on your own, which probably means dead party.\
last wasp
I unno, I don't really like that idea. Doesn't really add anything to the game
Just have people hoarding Nitra even more than now
near glacier
A small suggestion (dunno if this mentioned before) : can you add ability to crouch? When digging tunnels it will be really useful.
molten fossil
@near glacier ive had some weird generations on the crystal caverns multiple times before where its tunnels are too short and i have to dig my path to the next room
So maybe crouching would be useful, another option would be to patch the world generation to help prevent this
viral bridge
Suggestions:
#: When a Player calls in the Drop Pod (via the Button on the M.U.L.E.), display
"{PLAYERNAME} has called the Drop Pod!" (or something similar).
#: Display the Playername above a Dwarf's head, when using the Laser Pointer (in the Lobby and in Caves).
(Above the green outline.)
molten fossil
That would be a good deterrant for cretinous behavior
molten fossil
Better idea, make the upgrades for bosco consumable, oh you want to buy an extra rez for your next solo mission? That will be 1.5k credits, 50 enor, 20 umanite
jolly chasm
More bosses!
molten fossil
^
near glacier
+1
molten fossil
I want to fight what the announcer says the dreadnoughts could become
near glacier
Well... as I understood, in every co-op game here's a small chance that you can encounter with dreadnought.
near glacier
https://pastebin.com/AKK4PCFw -- also, I have some ideas about extra weapons & equipment for every class.
boreal lintel
An incredibly tough boss that only the most co-ordinated team can take down, which sits upon a pile of loot that can be collected as other team members kite the beast.
near glacier
...Glyphid Queen, maybe?
boreal lintel
Perhaps!
I like the idea of distractions, quickly looting, and escaping while being chased by an almost legendary creature.
"Team, your co-workers failed to extinguish a glyphid cocoon and now we've got a beast on our hands. Grab what you can, and finish the job."
near glacier
I definitely like it. Also, I got one idea, don't know how difficult it could be for devs, but maybe this could be as expansion pack.
Idea is, that actually DRG not alone on Hoxxes, also sometimes you can find a rogue groups of goblin pirates, and they're here for same reason as you, to mine and collect minerals.
boreal lintel
Interesting concept. Perhaps they will scamper down the caves, and drop resources from their little bags when killed, like loot bugs ๐
near glacier
Yeah
static plinth
Maybe missions like raids against Goblin mining operations
near glacier
And another idea for game mode, which calls "Gold Rush".
Mission control found a really rich gold deposits and if you want, you could collect it in your "free time", as salary premiunm. BUT you have a limited amount of time (10-15 min)
mossy laurel
Bosco still needs a buff in how he deals with cave leeches
He either lingers and does nothing, or he shoots a rock next to the leech
In that way, getting leeched in single player is a death sentence that garentees using one of Bosco's limited revives
Unless they add a way to give Bosco more revives, like perhaps sacrificing an entire supply drop for one more revive?
Anyways look at my suggest please devs <@&257786783666929665>
peak scarab
@mossy laurel yes true lad
latent bluff
I'd love to see more creatures in the caves that resemble other enemies or are harmless but creepy. Just ran into a cave vine again after about 30 hours of not seeing one and I have to admit it made me jump. Other passive creatures that follow you around or hide from you might be neat
mossy laurel
the cave vine isnt harmless though
if you're foolish enough to let it touch you it drains shields and health
latent bluff
Really? I'm standing in front of it now and it's not doing anything
latent bluff
I'm as close as I can get, it's just hovering
latent bluff
Radioactive exclusion zone
mossy laurel
good
Cave vines by lore are mutated cave leeches due to high amounts of radiation exposure
they lose their abillity to grab, so they can only SUCC
latent bluff
Oh really? I didn't know, that's cool
Still, regardless of whether it's bugged or not, it would be cool to have more creatures in the caves that are mostly passive
latent bluff
True
peak scarab
Interesting about cave leeches and yeah bosco first
lean haven
@mossy laurel stop lying to @latent bluff
mossy laurel
thats not a lie
Why do you think cave leeches only exist in the radiactive exclusion zone?
latent bluff
I was reading back through the history and saw a lot of people agreeing cave vines were harmless but didn't want to make a big deal out of it ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
mossy laurel
Why do they follow the same feeding pattern as the cave leech?
lean haven
Cave leeches spawn in all zones, and cave vines are harmless
mossy laurel
yes
which is why cave leeches are only mutated cave leeches
They are attracted to dwarves
latent bluff
Cave vines are harmless, though
latent bluff
I'm pretty sure that wasn't a bug, because none of the other ones I've encountered have ever done damage either
mossy laurel
wiki edit was incorrect
But cave vines are still closly related to cave leeches
Radiation weakens many creatures
lean haven
Cave vines have never done damage at any point, unless the devs had some build they never released where they did
mossy laurel
I get it
Anyways Mr. Tater
Would you perhaps like to join our cause of healping the wiki grow and get correct information?
you are a mod after all
lean haven
Nope. I'm not a wiki person.
lean haven
If people have a question, or need a screenshot of something that I might have, then I don't mind helping.
mossy laurel
Bosco still needs a buff in how he deals with cave leeches
He either lingers and does nothing, or he shoots a rock next to the leech
In that way, getting leeched in single player is a death sentence that garentees using one of Bosco's limited revives
Unless they add a way to give Bosco more revives, like perhaps sacrificing an entire supply drop for one more revive?
Anyways look at my suggest please devs <@&257786783666929665>
latent bluff
I doubt pinging devs to the same suggestion twice is going to make them any more likely to look at it
mossy laurel
ok then
spare kestrel
We're always watching... The cave leech issue is a technical one with Bosco's navigation and aiming. Due to the nature of our terrain it's not simple to fix. We are working on it. ๐
idle quartz
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, devs pls nerf
main olive
maybe have a leech hang lower when it snags something? aka when hiding waiting it's pressed against the ceiling, then when it grabs someone it slowly extends down a little bit to "eat" the prey. Making it easier for bosco to target and shoot from the common "dip" areas they live in?
however that'd make it easier for players to "save" other dwarves which idk if that'd be an acceptable change/nerf?
peak scarab
Eventually this is going fine
trim creek
so i have an idea about an "endless mode" that I know has been suggested many times over
instead of having one long map (which could be a huge amount of data to process all at once), maybe it could be broken down into sections
for example, the endless mode could be centered around recovering drop pods that never made it back
on the start of the mission, or the "first level", your task is to go and find a drop pod that never ended up making it back to the surface. you eventually discover that it never made it back due to the fact that it was missing several critical components (batteries, minerals, etc etc), so it is your job to figure out how to power it back up
upon getting the necessary materials, you get to the broken down drop pod, boot it back up, and have a decision: take it back up to the surface and claim your reward, or take it down further
calm zealot
More variety in gamemodes would surely increase playability
trim creek
each "level" could feature increased mob health, damage, difficulty, decreased nitra spawns, etc
viral bridge
I would assume it's difficult because, due to the way levels are generated, the pits the Leeches live in aren't always exactly the same shape. Other surrounding terrain and objects probably also play a role.
(Lots of calculations...)
Sure it'll be fixed some day.
last wasp
Could just make Bosco's shots pierce terrain, though he tries to fire at enemies with nothing in between?
main olive
Endless Mode: I'd say make the generation of the map similar to Search and Extract and Extraction (more centralized cave chamber) however no Mule, but instead use the Mining platform from Extraction.
however the outer rim of the cavern will be littered with Glypid tunnels, and if possible that weird purple eyeball wall stuff. Endless modes take place inside of densely populated Gylphid locations (why Endless is possible) there will be nothing mineable, as rewards come from "wave drops" at the end of each wave will be a grace period where "loot bugs" spawn allowing for nitra and gold collection. Every 5 waves will magically drop a "resource" from a boss creature (dread naught or something new, Hive Guard?) RNG caculates what one based on the Abundant/Sparce of the resource.
Primary Obj would be Survive 1-5 waves Secondary would be survive 5-20 waves
Problem one I see "Floating island/Resupply Pod abuse" we have Mantra Spawn to deal with ziplines yes. but you can still stand on a resupply pod and just dig out under it to make a "safe" zone
that is until Bugs can get "gap closers" or "I'm close enough to you, I see you, but can't walk to you" moves (Warriors doing a cat butt wiggle and leaping at you, doing some knock back as well)
Other types will need I have LoS but no path attacks as well
rancid rock
you can just make it so you get pushed off if you try to stand on a supply drop
or that the supply drop falls down if you dig under it
main olive
even then you can build floating islands as the engineer. does this mean that you'd have to make platforms do that too?
retorical Q, it's no. So to fix "both" enemies need a anti cheese move
rancid rock
wellif there isnt anything mineable, why would engi need platform gun?
main olive
maybe to fill holes from boss fights?
rancid rock
map damage can just reset after each wave?
main olive
hmm not sure how hard that'd be with their current system, but it could be a possibility. It would delay the creation of the gamemode just to add that, and depends on how popular it would be. So maybe 1st draft of it wouldn't include that
rancid rock
true, but in order to make a combat exclusive gamemode, i think they need to introduce new guns
rancid rock
exactly
main olive
2-3 gunners or scouts or 4
but if there was an endless that's how'd I'd see it being done (subject to change but as it stands that's my view)
rancid rock
another form of endless i'd like to see, is standard mining expedition, where caves never end and you have a very high quota. But even when you're done, you can still keep going. I know it's most likely impossible because of the sheer map size and rendering involved. But it would be cool none the less
main olive
but with the problem you stated which would be fixed via Weapons/loadouts, and my Problem of cheese methods Endless is gonna be a bit
hmm What if there was 2 kinds? "Endless - Combat" and "Endless - Mining" where at the very end of a "Endless - Mining" there was a "cave-like opening/passage" that when the host or enough dwarves got there would do a "count-down"
then it'd just generate a new map but insteaad of the starting beinga droppod, a collapsed passage be there instead?
rancid rock
they could just outright ban cheese tools, and introduce combat tools instead
main olive
even without cheese tools you can still dig and make a floaty island
just platform and/or resupply pods make it 200% easier
rancid rock
they could make so if bugs cant reach you and both parties are standing still they can still damage you
but then again
main olive
magic bug bites? nah new moves would be more benifical
royal basin
What about instead of resetting the terrain to how it was before the wave started it goes down to the level of the deepest hole created by the explosives
main olive
even if one can do a knockback would be enough
main olive
that'd just change the cheese tactic is all
if the melee cant get to you, just shoot "up""
rancid rock
like bugs that carry around a form of mini spitball infector
a scorspitter
o smth
spitball creeper
main olive
Dreadnaughts can stop floaty island cheese cause of "fireball" but resupply pod can't break
main olive
also in and endless if team was good enough there'd be a lot of them
so perhaps that mode pods will "explode" over time?
main olive
I suggested that, but someone said "fk you're stupid" or something along those lines
rancid rock
so people only call them in when they actually need ammo, hence the risk of losing ammo