#suggestions | Deep Rock Galactic | Page 48

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:05 AM

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Yeah.

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More ranged enemies to make zipline camping less tempting sounds reaaaal good 😛

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:05 AM

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why do you keep placing malice on what we say

thorn stirrup Mar 9, 2018, 1:05 AM

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ikr? a mod no less lol

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:06 AM

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im not just saying things just to disagree with you

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like, im not trolling

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:06 AM

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because i've heard this before a lot, and seen people zipline camp a lot. Like its perfectly normal for something OP to have people be upset that it'll get nerfed

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:06 AM

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i love this game and i want it to be as successful as possible

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thats why i bother typing in here

thorn stirrup Mar 9, 2018, 1:06 AM

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were literally saying we dont zipline camp

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and its not effective

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so....

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:06 AM

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i could link you a stream of me playing to prove i dont zipline camp

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:07 AM

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you literally said "well how the game is designed you cant be on the ground for longer than __ because of the little guys who run faster than you"

thorn stirrup Mar 9, 2018, 1:07 AM

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camping and kiting are different brutha

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:07 AM

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imo you deal with those guys with firepower

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some kidn of aoe

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:07 AM

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The zipline lets you do both, its mobility safe from the enemy, especially at an angle.

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:08 AM

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gunner spraying his minigun or driller spraying flamethrower or one of the two shotguns

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thats how you deal with the swarmers

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not by zipline camping

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:08 AM

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^take it up with him because he pretty much said you need to use a zipline or you'll die. "if you took ziplines out nobody would be able to do lvl 4"

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:09 AM

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i think there are scenarios where you do need to use zipline or you die, and i think taking that option away might not be a good idea

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:09 AM

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Its a classic, when someone likes something thats op and then they backpeddle when they find out it might get nerfed, "oh wait i mean its not that good in fact its kind of awful and i never do it" etc

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:10 AM

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and i think in those scenarios where you need to zipline, its because of terrain

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not because of enemies

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:10 AM

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i think zipline should maybe take longer to set up

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:10 AM

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because, likke we both agree, you should keep on the move

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but sometimes the terrain doesnt allow you to

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:10 AM

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i noticed that the drillers flamethrower can actually set the zipline on fire

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:10 AM

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zipline takking longer to set up actually might not be a bad idea

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:10 AM

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so im hoping Webspitters or Acidspitters could leave effects on the zipline that will mess it up for you

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:11 AM

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i could see that being a good change for sure

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:11 AM

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I mean thats how it was in L4D. Developers noticed how people played, so they made unique monsters to counter it

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everyone bunched up in a corner? Acid aoe!

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:12 AM

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i like the idea of the zipline taking longer to set up

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like it could shoot the first line instantly, and then a second line that you can actually grapple on slowly moves along the path of the first '

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and then once that second line reaches the other side, you can use the zipline

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down side would be you cant quickly escape the swarm when you are stuck in a pit

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but the counter to that could just be "should have prepared for that in the first place"

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:14 AM

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luckily there are other ways out

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even in a pinch, a driller can get you out

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with the scout grenade Slow field covering

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:14 AM

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what about solo mode

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:14 AM

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buys you a lot of time

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:14 AM

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i feel like people forget about solo mode

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when talking about game balance

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:14 AM

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solo driller? he can drill himself out

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:14 AM

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solo gunner

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:14 AM

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shoot his way out!

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:14 AM

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were talking about zipline

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obviously im talkign about gunner

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:15 AM

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ziplines arnt that effective in a small pit though

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unless we talking Sandblasted biome pits, those are massive

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Like if you fall in a pit you gonna die from fall damage, if you CLIMB down the pit with deliberate drops then you kinda ruining yourself

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:16 AM

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there are scenarios where zipline is good in small pits

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:16 AM

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yeah a safety net in case you fall back down!

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:16 AM

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yup thats one example

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that would be an example where a slow to set up zipline would still be good

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cuz if you prep with ziplines beforehand then the usefulness of that kind of zipline is still the same

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the question is, should you be able to get out of a sticky situation quickly with a gunner zipline

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im not sure what the answer should be

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i think theres merit to both yes and no

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 1:18 AM

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could be an optional upgrade someday

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i've used a quick zipline to escape but its not shot into a wall and used to go back and forth, usually leads somewhere i'd rather be

grizzled zephyr Mar 9, 2018, 1:19 AM

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Having to stand there for a second or two to deploy a gunner zipline wouldn't really change how most people use them, I guess.

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 1:26 AM

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@idle quartz same

hollow quail Mar 9, 2018, 1:43 AM

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I personally like the way ziplines function and think it should remain unchanged

leaden root Mar 9, 2018, 2:55 AM

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I kinda wish that the scout grapple kept momentum so you could swing. Almost like spiderman

near glacier Mar 9, 2018, 3:31 AM

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Why not creating a Trello like for Bugreporting, we could do a ranking of the best ideas and also add media, rather then throw ideas that devs will have to navigate trough for hours to find the good stuff.

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 3:51 AM

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You know what would be a neat idea for the future? A 4v4 versus mode where two teams of 4 dwarves duke it out to see who can meet the quota first. Both sides could start out in different areas of the map and if they meet up, work to hinder the other team any way they can while racing to get to resources first before the other team does. It could be explained story wise that an upstart rival company is trying to muscle in on Deep Rock’s turf with their own dwarf miners after Deep Rocks success on Hoxxes so far. Technically illegal, but hey, between the glyphids, the environment, and the dangerous nature of mining itself, what happens in the mines stays in the mines.

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 3:57 AM

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Have alternate taunts been thought of for the shop?

sacred belfry Mar 9, 2018, 4:04 AM

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a lot of more beards and hair 😄

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maybe armor colors!

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that would be nice

green nest Mar 9, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Maybe the idea of weapons being more upgradable but they have trade offs that can be toggled? Ie the minigun for the gunner has more damage but overheats faster and jams longer

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 4:26 AM

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tf2 🤔

jolly depot Mar 9, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Skins for the MULE! whoever is host has the skin

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or maybe a vote or somethign

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from all the playerts

ionic plaza Mar 9, 2018, 5:34 AM

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Half the amount of resources/collectables needed for a mission. its common for missions to be 40-50 minutes. There is an element of "git gud" with my team but sometimes the fun of the game starts to drag as the missions started to feel like they're really long. Would prefer something a little more bite sized around 20 minutes.

earnest ore Mar 9, 2018, 6:13 AM

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Disclaimer: Scanner extension unit breaks after a single use.

flat bough Mar 9, 2018, 6:28 AM

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I think I would rather invest in a mining base so the region is never out of range

sacred belfry Mar 9, 2018, 6:28 AM

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mako has a very good point

viral hill Mar 9, 2018, 6:38 AM

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Here is an idea for some classes the first would be a Demolition class that would focus on excavating large areas with explosives instead of grenades he'd have sticks of dynamite

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the other would be a medic style class but he would give you ale instead of a "med pack" and the charater model could have a barrel of ale on his back

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 6:45 AM

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I like the idea of new classes, but don’t know about these two. Demolition class sounds good on paper, but when you get down to the ideas, the other classes cover them to varying degrees. The driller already is good at excavating large areas with his drill, and a few characters already have satchel charges which fill a similar role to dynamite. He could use explosives for crowd control but that’s already kinda the Gunners job, the driller has a flamethrower to help out, and the Engineer already has a grenade launcher.

umbral ferry Mar 9, 2018, 6:48 AM

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Being a road warrior means that my choices on satisfying my DRG fix are either try to play over shitty wifi or cell signal with friends or try to play solo. Currently I think solo play needs a relook, because unless you are playing engineer on the simplest difficulty, there is just no playing single player. The drone isn't a sub for most of the other skills you need to survive, and holy crap is it infuriating playing for thirty minutes doing everything you can to survive, only for an ill timed horde on the run back to drop you and the damn drone won't come back to save you, so you get trapped being traded among bugs for a pack of smokes... I might be a little bitter.

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 6:48 AM

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As for the medic, given that players can already revive each other, with ale too I might add, the proliferation of red sugar crystals, and the healing effect from picking supply drops, I would seriously question how needed a medic is in this game. Plus all the current classes, when used correctly, can solo just fine by themselves due to their own strengths, but a pure medic sounds a bit too team based for solo players to get into, though that’s a minor setback

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Don’t mean to burst your bubble @umbral ferry but I actually am in a similar situation with internet, and actually solo just fine, almost exclusively. If you want tips on how to better utilize solo classes, you can message me for tips.

amber gazelle Mar 9, 2018, 6:51 AM

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Can we have the hair colors actually change the colors of headgears like the mighty crest and the eyebrow colors? I'm trying to get my slayer king on but i have to rock a blonde-ginger two tone.

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:04 AM

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If new classes are to be introduced, they’d have to do something the other classes either simply can’t do, or at least can’t do without great difficulty.

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:15 AM

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Still curious on the alternate taunt idea, my boyos. I know it's essentially "worthless" but so are most cosmetics. If I've discovered one thing about co-op games it's that people love to spam animations.

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:15 AM

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It will probably be a while before any ideas for new classes are considered, as it stands the current four classes cover all the bases the game offers in its current state. Until the next real major content update happens, there’s simply no need.

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:17 AM

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On the idea of classes, I was thinking more of a utility class that perhaps could echo locate the area around them to get an idea of what chambers around them looked like. A "cartographer" class that's an aide to the scout.

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:20 AM

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@wide verge That’s the right idea, but then I’d have to question wether or not that kinda subverts the games appeal, exploring randomly generating caverns, tunnels and caves. Such a cartographer would take away some of the mystery I feel.

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:20 AM

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The only "bug" I've encountered is the mobs/mule phasing through solid ground due to the procedural generation engine needing some tightening up on vertices, but other than that it feels just like any other WIP shooter.

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I agree, but it would be a supplementary character to the community that can't spend as long a time in the mines, as well as I would assume a skill that broken would have a massive cooldown

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:22 AM

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I have to agree with @viral bridge have you really looked at the memorial room? Anyone else notice the pillars are a bit....crooked.

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:22 AM

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they're straight up in the wall, er, as in they're clipping

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:24 AM

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Plus, as much as I appreciate the minimalist look some things have, having some actual textures instead of something that looks like a stock basic metal texture from the unity engine would be nice

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:24 AM

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as far as the launch hub, I've only found 2 things interesting to do which spawned an idea: so the physics on the barrels helped launch me into the green hole at the top to see the easter egg text, and from there I thought to stuff every barrel into a player's loading bay and make a "barrel pit"

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basically, the ship needs a barrel soccer court

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everyone loves "football"

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:25 AM

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I can’t wait till some of the extra rooms near the memorial room get implemented

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:26 AM

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I'm right there with you, though I also can't wait for potential easter eggs

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using a barrel to launch myself up into an otherwise inaccessible area just for some disappointing text that I could basically already read from the outside at a distance wasn't as worth it as I had hoped

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:31 AM

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I for one, feel Bosco should just be made without collision to anything except walls. It’s not like the glyphids target him, or that he can be destroyed in the first place. I don’t see any point to him having collision from player actions like pickaxe swings and gunfire, as it stands he just gets in the way when there’s no real reason for him too.

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He can’t be destroyed so it’s not like him catching your bullets, pickaxes, and cutting off button interactions teaches the player to be careful, it’s just a nuisance

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:34 AM

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or, create a pathing exception to player units when there's interaction, say a button press, deposit, or a firefight

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when interacting, Bosco remains X units away from the interaction, far enough not to float between a button, close enough to not be out of shooting range

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I actually think Bosco does aggro... pretty sure of it to be honest

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whether it be a damage indicator for aggro or unit based, Glyphids most certainly turn to him for a moment

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:37 AM

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Haven’t noticed this behavior at all in my playthroughs, glyphids have always targeted me

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:37 AM

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I've used nothing but the Scout from the beginning as it's stupid easy to kite every mob with a grapple gun, so I'm not sure I'm the average player to ask about difficulty

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Only thing I remotely notice is that praetorians seem to turn and retreat whenever they take explosive damage, but otherwise the bugs only make a beeline straight for me and ignore bosco

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:39 AM

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do you target things for bosco to shoot? I do, thus his aggro mechanic may be tied to that?

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:40 AM

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I have yes, and again, the bugs completely ignore him

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:40 AM

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not sure then, I'm not on either side that he does or doesn't quite yet but I do recall them mainly focusing me and occasionally turning to look at Bosco

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:41 AM

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Doesn’t matter if bosco is firing full auto right into a praetorians thorax, the praetorian will continue coming after me.

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:41 AM

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again, I'm typically making circles around the room avoiding damage as best I can at all times, was probably just the pathing trying to chase me down

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2 shells from the scout's shotgun and the big green nasties go down

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:42 AM

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I theorize that’s probably why, the smaller bugs in particular seem to move around much more erratically

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:43 AM

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swarmers movement speed screws their pathing, you can see it when you're sitting on the loading ramp before evac

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if you let them swarm as close to the ramp as possible, they'll often phase into each other as the pathing directs them all to the same point before checking to see if the space is cleared, as they funnel into a singular destination after you

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since you're technically floating while in the escape pod

viral bridge Mar 9, 2018, 7:44 AM

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The Bugs are probably turning to face him, because he attacked or dealt damage to them, then realize shortly after, that this is Bosco, we do not attack this target. Moving back to target 'Player'.

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:44 AM

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Besides, bosco can’t die, so what would even really be the point in him taking aggro, it makes more sense for the enemies to target the player which will cause him to lose the game, than his immortal flying follower most of them probably can’t actually hit, and even if they could it would do practically nothing to stop the player

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:45 AM

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@viral bridge, which all potential jokes aside is straight up a valid reasoning due to the engine in question.

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Perhaps a damage cap on Bosco with a hold E to repair mechanic? perhaps based off of the extra nitra reserves?

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I'm not sure what you want, you're asking a bot that's essentially supposed to supplement 3 players in a 4 player co-op experience to be less OP

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:47 AM

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In which case such behavior will probably eventually get patched out unless they make bosco downable. Makes sense from a hardware perspective, not a gameplay perspective

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:47 AM

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aside from the lack of collide that is

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:49 AM

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I just want bosco to not get hit by player gunfire or pickaxes, and interrupting interactions, because it’s annoying. I only brought up his complete invincibility as part of my case.

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:52 AM

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upgradeable seat for Molly to carry the weak link of the group, considering you can already basically ride her out if you're a boss

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/jk

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:53 AM

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Exactly, that by itself I would accept as a fix

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:54 AM

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again, press your interact key, an invisible sphere of influence surrounds the player and or the object in question, Bosco can't float within that sphere for the duration

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problemo solvedo

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:54 AM

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Exactly

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So does Molly, but in her case it makes sense, she’s a big hulking machine, it makes sense she would get in the way. But unlike Bosco she rarely ACTIVELY gets in the way, where as bosco always seems to want to get right in front of your pickaxe/button press/gunfire

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:56 AM

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I figure he should still have collision in the sense that he is a physical "being" in the space and as such would eat bullets. my only reasoning as to why the buggerinos don't or wouldn't aggro him is... plot armor?

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so he's a robot, bugs probably don't give a heckie and or can't "see" him

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:57 AM

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That and it doesn’t make sense for the enemy to target an immortal helper when they have a very mortal player to stop instead

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:57 AM

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he's floating, probably doesn't produce a lot of heat, I dunno I'm sure with some creativity we can reason out why Bosco is Glyphid-proof

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:57 AM

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From a lore perspective that is probably also true

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:58 AM

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thus my usage of "plot armor"

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 7:58 AM

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I did theorize that bosco is going native jake sully style, hence why he hinders you so much

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 7:58 AM

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if there's an immortal character, there's always a reason no matter how convoluted

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Bugholm Syndrome

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they've kept him in the caves with the eggs so long, he's convinced he's one of them...

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...also he's become sentient, thus why all that is possible...

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...that's an important part...

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:00 AM

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But he can’t outright kill you, his programming won’t allow it

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So he looks for loopholes

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:00 AM

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cuts to Bosco doing loops in the air because, floatiness

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:01 AM

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Well we never said it was smart AI

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:01 AM

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it's not "stupid" it's "ADVANCED"

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:01 AM

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It’s dumb AI is what it is

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:02 AM

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I really, really hope that reference didn't sail overhead

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:02 AM

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Sorry

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:02 AM

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I pray for you

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:02 AM

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I’m not god

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:03 AM

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OH, HE'S GOT THE FREQUENCIES ON LOCKDOWN

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I MEAN, HE DOES

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WHEN HE REVIVES YOU, HE PULSES THE BUGGOS AWAY

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we did it, boys

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we cracked the code

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Bosco uses audio frequencies to de-aggro Glyphids from his person

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:04 AM

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Well, the bugs are blind, they don’t have eyes, they probably rely on smell. Can’t imagine a futuristic floating robot emits much of a stench they would recognize, but a stocky sweaty dwarf is definitely close enough

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:04 AM

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I'll have you know I washed my beard this month!

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:05 AM

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They’ll just smell the lotion

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:05 AM

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spilling soup on it counts, right?

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:05 AM

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....no

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:05 AM

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damn it...

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so, if the buggos are blindo, why do some of the buggo structures have eyes?

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that seems a little wack in the scheme of their evolution

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and why the floating robot isn't noticed, as hypothesized above

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:08 AM

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Why a giant bulbous stationary growth spewing baby bugs has eyes makes no sense at all, especially since they don’t focus on you and they look pretty glazed over, if it has sight, it’s not very good

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Likely still evolving those out of the blueprints

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:09 AM

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I just wonder as to how those eyes even came about, considering we have almost no light sources short of the scarce bioluminescence

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I guess it's a game... gotta have a glowy eye weak point somewhere

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:09 AM

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There is the possibility they are found above ground too, we don’t know what the surface looks like, or maybe they at least once were

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:10 AM

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has anyone just dug up?

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:10 AM

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No, I doubt it would get you anywhere

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:10 AM

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do we have teams of silly boys looking to break the game? because if not...

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:11 AM

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That does seem highly likely, the glyphids seem the dominant lifeform by a country mile

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:12 AM

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I hope all this convo in the suggestion channel that spawned from suggestion is heeded, as a lot of it pertains to suggestion in other ways like lore building

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wait, don't loot bugs have eyes?

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thus why they probably saw the shiny minerals, ate them, and became passive punching bags?

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perhaps it's an evolutionary benefit (being blind)

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:13 AM

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Small little ones yes, again given how slow they move and what they apparently eat, I can’t imagine their eyes are very good either

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They all come out of the ground shifting the sediment around them, when they come out it collapses behind them, as for fitting in small spaces, that’s just game weirdness

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Any kind of eyesight on an animal that spends its whole life in cave systems WILL be bad or nonexistent, look at cavelife on earth

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:16 AM

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that's a relative statement

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"bad" in direct light, sure

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AMAZING in a dimly lit cave

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think Riddick

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:16 AM

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I would not list Riddick an accurate source on night vision

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:17 AM

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NOT THE POINT

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FANTASY VS FANTASY

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YOU CAN COMPARE

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hehe

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:18 AM

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Plus even if that were true, in such a dimly lit environment even see in the dark eyes are ineffective when vibration and smell are all much more suited to the dark

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:19 AM

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again, entierly understandable and noted, thus my questioning on why there are so many "loot bugs"

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if we're to assume these bugs are all from a similar species origin, I'm curious as to why they evolved in such ways

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specifically on this whole eye debate

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^

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still only need 1-2 drops

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I always have left over nitra out the wing-wang

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I figure we need more deployables based on nitra

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:21 AM

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We don’t know how long any of the creatures we currently see have been around, or what they evolved from or why. The loot bugs may still be evolving their now useless eyes out from a previous life on the surface

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Who knows, maybe the loot bugs aren’t the same species as the glyphids

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:22 AM

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true, I just notice the similarity between the maggots and the loot bugs, though the maggots I assumed were the larva of the typical mob glyphids

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:22 AM

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Idea

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We theorized the bugs sense vibrations right?

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:23 AM

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^

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:23 AM

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Think about how UTTERLY SLOW the loot bugs move

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On tiny little legs, barely making a sound

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:24 AM

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but they squeak

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oh how they squeak in my ears

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Maybe on a frequency they can’t hear

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:24 AM

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as my pickaxe their skulls in twain

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polish

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gotta have something going on in the world

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it's what robs many AMAZING games of their full potential

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and not to start anything up as it's a pretty dead horse, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain needed more overworld polish

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:26 AM

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Or perhaps the bugs hear that squeak but it doesn’t register as the sound food makes

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:26 AM

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it's a great example of many things, but that's one many can agree on outright, there just wasn't much going on in that world

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a bird here, 6 sheep here... then nothing until the next outpost

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:26 AM

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Probs shouldn’t get into that here

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:26 AM

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just an example

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:27 AM

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Right

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:27 AM

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polish makes trash look decent

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:27 AM

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“Polish a turd it’s still a turd”

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:28 AM

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it's about maintaining the appropriate level of engagement

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and a maggot in-between a mob or a mineral that you may or may not dispatch is a little extra, potential gameplay

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:29 AM

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I do like all the lengths the game goes to be immersive

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:29 AM

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still suggesting a barrel soccer court

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or perhaps an easter egg room inspired by my dumb barrel pit

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Just make a somewhat inaccessible room filled to the brim with barrels, as such:

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you get 4 dwarves in that mess, all mashing jump and kick

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it's a party

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:32 AM

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That’s a game crash waiting to happen

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I’m telling you guys, the bar will totally be that place

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:33 AM

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@viral bridge, get good at landing on the top of an upright barrel from a sprint, then jumping as you touch the top of the barrel

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:33 AM

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Until you jump on a barrel

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:34 AM

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it launches you, then you get good at launching yourself

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then get in the hole

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:34 AM

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Then it spazzes out

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:34 AM

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📎 20180308195142_1.jpg

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sprint, jump with a left turn of the mouse to curve your angle for the hole as you hit the top of the barrel, launch yourself into the hole and enjoy

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that's my typical time waster anyway

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getting in the hole or making a barrel pit

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:35 AM

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K I gotta sleep, 3 in the morning here

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:36 AM

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don't get grabbed by a cave leech

hallow roost Mar 9, 2018, 8:36 AM

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Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

wide verge Mar 9, 2018, 8:37 AM

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Also, I want to retract my previous statement of "think Riddick" and in place rephrase it as "think Pitch Black"

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for obvious reasons, good night

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 9:18 AM

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id beat everybody in barrel soccer

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im a barrel soccer GOD

oblique violet Mar 9, 2018, 9:21 AM

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Character suggestion

Sniper

Primary: Sniper rifle
Secondary: Dual pistols
Utility 1: Vertical zipline
Utility 2: Spotlight

Sniper rifle
the sniper is would be a single shot bolt action style rifle. it would do bonus damage to weak spots.
possibly have upgrades that could give it a scope, cause enemies weak spots to take bonus damage after being shot for a period of time or/& do more damage the further you are from your target

Dual pistols
2x semi auto pistols that deal low damage per shot.
it would have standard upgrades that would increase damage, reload speed and ammo capacity

Verticle zipline
this would function in a similar way to that of gunners zipline but with the major difference of only being able to be deployed between the angles of 90 and 75 degrees, going up the zipline will be half the speed of going down. the purpose of these is purely for scaling the massive holes and pits in the caves.
it would have upgrades that increase its range of the zipline & the amount you can carry

Spotlight
this is a deploy that would be placed and setup like that of engineers turrets however it has to be picked up again via interaction not remote. one placed the sniper would then get a remote control to activate and aim the spotlight at the selected location, it will stay focused on this location untill it is either picked up or aimed at a different location. upon the first activation after being placed and whenever a new location is selected it will consume 1 ammo, when it runs out of ammo you will not be able to select a new location or if moved will not be able to activate it
upgrades would give it increased area of illumination, total ammo & the possible upgrade ability to highligh all ores/crystals in the area of illumination

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 9:34 AM

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could have a scope on the weapon model since you cant aim down sights but i really think the scout just needs a sniper rifle as an alternative

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infared scope.

oblique violet Mar 9, 2018, 9:42 AM

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i dont think scout needs anything else... hes already pretty op

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the point of this idea is having to choose whats best for the team, maybe your doing a map that has alot of pits in it or maybe you want some1 to cover you while you mine in a point extraction

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currently you can choose between 4 classes, some times a team will go 2 gunner 2 driller purly due to the utillity

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also just as an after thought, giving the scout a long range weapon of any kind would be very unbalanced IMO, as currently he is a short to med range character, if you were to give him the ability to run away and pick enemies off at a distance he would be crazy op

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@viral bridge exactly my thoughts

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^ exactly

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snipers by design are ment to be crazy single target damage with precise strikes

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scout is ment to scout, not scout and assasinate

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when thinking of this concept i tried to think of thing that are currently missing from the selection available without going ttoo crazy

flat bough Mar 9, 2018, 9:52 AM

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what would the range be on the vertical zipline? 50m?

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I can see it mostly used for vertical shafts

oblique violet Mar 9, 2018, 9:52 AM

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@flat bough no idea, i honestly havnt measured how tall/deep pits are but 50m sounds ok

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yea that was the idea

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instead of having to zig zag all the way up/down

flat bough Mar 9, 2018, 9:53 AM

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big rooms in radioactive zone have a height of ~50m

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I know this cause of damn cave leeches

oblique violet Mar 9, 2018, 9:53 AM

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@viral bridge i beleive all classes move at the same speed when running

flat bough Mar 9, 2018, 9:54 AM

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anyways

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I think going off of an earlier discussion

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instead of the seismic device stunning enemies

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it works as a lure

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drawing enemies to it

oblique violet Mar 9, 2018, 9:54 AM

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i had a similar concept for a diffrent character but it was more out there than a simple sniper

flat bough Mar 9, 2018, 9:54 AM

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so the sniper could throw it and the mobs would think the device is the sniper

oblique violet Mar 9, 2018, 9:55 AM

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engineer and driller dont have such thing either

flat bough Mar 9, 2018, 9:55 AM

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which would also be useful in combination with other classes

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like the driller

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or scout

oblique violet Mar 9, 2018, 9:55 AM

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the point is not to be so self reliant that u dont need your team, but to provide thing to your team that they couldnt do already

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sniper would have weakness's of when thing get too close he WILL need his team to help

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if need be he could place down a verticle zipline and escape that way

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but that could be a waste of a usefull tool?

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just think of how certain classes can help each other

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engie can platform for scount to get to stuff

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gunner can zipline for every1 except scout to get accross large gaps

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driller is the best at killing the small biters effectively for his team and also almost a need with any extraction mission

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snipers role would be to take out pretorians and provide verticle mobility for his team

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limited ammo on the sniper would make it a waste to use on smaller bugs

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hence the dual pistols

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but htye would only be strong enough to defend himself from a few enemies

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but if he was to be swarmed without the assisatnce of his team he would go down

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ziplines used to have a max angle of 45degrees and u had 8 of them, it was nerfed due to pple using them to avoid bugs and being almost a need for every mission

flat bough Mar 9, 2018, 10:06 AM

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do kinda wonder why acid spitters do not melt through ziplines and break them

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that would be an obvious counter to players using them to avoid bugs

oblique violet Mar 9, 2018, 10:06 AM

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i agree that having too much angle can be op in that its too usefull, hence why i said that the verticle 1s should only have a range between 90 and 75 degrees (or even maybee less)

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that way the sniper would not be able to do the job of the gunner

boreal lintel Mar 9, 2018, 10:11 AM

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I like the idea of the vertical zipline, but perhaps label it as more of a rope ladder.

oblique violet Mar 9, 2018, 10:12 AM

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well yea, but its easier to call it a zipline so pple understand what u mean

earnest ore Mar 9, 2018, 10:36 AM

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I'd say replace the Sniper Rifle with an Advanced Crossbow.

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Single shot, has travel time, but pierces the thickest of hides.

glacial wedge Mar 9, 2018, 10:38 AM

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hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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would a crossbow bolt have more piercing power than a bullet

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i mean praetorians and dreadnoughts have exoskeletons

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They are basically like tanks

flat bough Mar 9, 2018, 11:06 AM

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there is the option of giving the sniper that lure device I suggested

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so that they could trick enemies into moving into an area where the sniper can flank around to aim for the weak spot

earnest ore Mar 9, 2018, 11:10 AM

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Crossbows would shoot very, very heavy (which is why they have a travel time) Deep Rock Galactic Specialty Brand™ Drillbolts. By taking the design of the drop pods and scaling them down, it's possible to literally bore through the exoskeletons of any wayward bug you might face. However, due to their size, bulk, and moving parts, they can only be loaded in a crossbow, as opposed to a gun.

sacred socket Mar 9, 2018, 11:15 AM

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Tbh the game is perfect for beta. I have 40 hours in and I have no problems on the current status of the game. I have completed faith in the devs to create this game to be amazing without our help!

oblique violet Mar 9, 2018, 11:16 AM

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if they didnt want ideas there wouldnt be a suggestion channel

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also it may be perfect for 'beta' but games arnt designed to stay in beta and as a full release it requires more

earnest ore Mar 9, 2018, 11:36 AM

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goes to the suggestions channel
"game is great and they don't need our help!"

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lul

viral bridge Mar 9, 2018, 12:35 PM

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Suggestion:

How about adding a slightly visible, possibly transparent overlay of sorts to a mineral node, after it has been marked? Instead of just having the icon or popup float there. It would have to be designed in such a way, so as to be easily distinguishable from outlines / overlays placed on marked Glyphids and the like. This may help make minerals more visible, in a way. Things like Fossils or Blooms might still be displayed, as they are now - with a simple popup.

devout coral Mar 9, 2018, 1:06 PM

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increase dreadnaught projectile speed and the ground stomp animation speed but decrease his health so a dread becomes more of a threat and less of a reason to get another supply drop

cobalt locust Mar 9, 2018, 2:21 PM

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How about making vanity items only show when clicking on them? The current customization system is confusing and i have to make serious effort to not select the wrong items constantly

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Als o confirmation after customizing your looks would make it a bit more intuitive

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Also*

lean haven Mar 9, 2018, 2:24 PM

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@oblique violet 👌

versed kayak Mar 9, 2018, 2:25 PM

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Hope one day MULE can be ride or be drive

oblique violet Mar 9, 2018, 2:25 PM

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close enough lol

sacred belfry Mar 9, 2018, 2:34 PM

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heya! actually molly can be ride, hard, but possible xd

restive saffron Mar 9, 2018, 2:39 PM

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The scout's flare should give a fire effect to bugs and actually stick to their body

signal flicker Mar 9, 2018, 2:44 PM

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As awesome as this update is.
I do not agree with the soulution on kicking players.

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Sometimes I -really- don't want certain peeps to be in a game with us, 'specially if they're being a nuisence or not-so-helpful.

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Or just out-right griefing.

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if a penalty is to be issued, this one seems abit too heavy handed.

summer field Mar 9, 2018, 2:52 PM

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It's better than the penalty they were getting?

signal flicker Mar 9, 2018, 2:54 PM

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True, its a temp fix, I'm certain.

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But I surly hope this doesn't stick. :o

near glacier Mar 9, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Rework Driller satchel charge so it's a 'shaped charge' instead, difference being instead of a sort of explosion radius it it more focused in the direction you throw it

limber zephyr Mar 9, 2018, 4:20 PM

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This was probably requested before, but still - can we get Bosco in the multiplayer solo session? I dont like to wait for people to join me, so I just host a game and start it by myself. Sometimes it takes a whole for players to join, so you are stuck there alone with all these damn ceiling vines. Maybe make it so you get Bosco from the start, but he flies away when someone joins you?

haughty relic Mar 9, 2018, 4:21 PM

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Has there been any talk of drillers power drills working to collect resources as well? Being able to quickly mine minerals would make a driller feel like much more of an asset I think. Although the extra flamethrower ammo is definitely going to help, thanks for that! :)

limber zephyr Mar 9, 2018, 4:22 PM

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^this. I'd love to drill into some ore veins

autumn willow Mar 9, 2018, 4:38 PM

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What about a survival Mission? Like the pod broke on the way down, and you have to survive swarm after swarm, as you collect the recourses to fix it and get out. say you accidently landed near or in a hive?

red abyss Mar 9, 2018, 4:38 PM

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Isnt that similar to Point Extraction?

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Just less swarms?

autumn willow Mar 9, 2018, 4:39 PM

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In a way. but I dont want the swarm to stop in a sense?

red abyss Mar 9, 2018, 4:40 PM

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To have the intensity of the fight lessen and increase, but never fully stop.

autumn willow Mar 9, 2018, 4:40 PM

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Exactly

red abyss Mar 9, 2018, 4:40 PM

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I see. However the low and high point of the swarm needs to be explicitly understood

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Like how many bugs is considered the lowest.

zealous needle Mar 9, 2018, 4:41 PM

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I'd rly like to see more escort/defend/extract/escape/hold missions instead of fetch missions.

limber zephyr Mar 9, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Id like to see some sort of payload escort. Something like defend some different mule while it gets to the escape pod

autumn willow Mar 9, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Make it intensify overtime? Like just swarmer's...then a mix a swarmer's and warriors, and continues to grow and get more intense as you go!

red abyss Mar 9, 2018, 4:42 PM

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It should def cap out at some point though

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A game engine can only handle so much

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(and the player's computer)

limber zephyr Mar 9, 2018, 4:43 PM

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Well it is UE, so it can handle a lot

wise wraith Mar 9, 2018, 4:43 PM

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I don't think increasing numbers would be good. Just make bugs stronger as we progress.

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That way we still have a swarm AND some difficulty

limber zephyr Mar 9, 2018, 4:43 PM

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give them armor over time

wise wraith Mar 9, 2018, 4:44 PM

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Just like Warframe survival missions

limber zephyr Mar 9, 2018, 4:44 PM

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so the new bugs got stronger exoskeleton or something like that

zealous needle Mar 9, 2018, 4:45 PM

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pls no
giving tons of hp to simple swarm bugs will feel soooo cheap

limber zephyr Mar 9, 2018, 4:45 PM

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also - upgrades for the mule and Bosco? Like a bigger light for the mule, slowdown aoe around it when it is standing still etc

wise wraith Mar 9, 2018, 4:45 PM

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Code wise that would take some time. A work around would be to increase their HP pool or decrease the amount of damage they instead... if you're talking about a physical armor that we can see + decreasing the damage they take

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@zealous needle Keep in mind we're in EA, things change. They could implement the HP increase for now, but take it later and put something that everyone would enjoy

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They already have a shit ton of stuff to work on

zealous needle Mar 9, 2018, 4:47 PM

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" take it later and put something that everyone would enjoy"
Not rly time-efficient ;)

wise wraith Mar 9, 2018, 4:48 PM

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And why's that?

zealous needle Mar 9, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Implementing one feature now to later ditch it and implement some other not-obvious solution is hard to consider time-efficient

flat bough Mar 9, 2018, 5:29 PM

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one option would be to just replace swarmers with higher tier units

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over time

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so eventually its really the same amount of units

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but mostly praetorians and dreads instead

gleaming slate Mar 9, 2018, 5:31 PM

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After reading the patch 9 notes on steam, the vote button for Molly to call the drop pod at minimum should be a thing. To many times(on Xbox at least) have people called the drop pod early either by accident or just because of not really knowing the game yet. This is mainly frustrating because sometimes we’re legit a room away from the final(treasure) room and miss out on tons of gold, mats, and xp.

zealous needle Mar 9, 2018, 5:32 PM

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"so eventually its really the same amount of units but mostly praetorians and dreads instead"
I predict lots of enemies clipping into each other.

And for the button vote... i'd say the host should have an ui option "fuck, nope" for first 10 seconds after someone presses the button. Which will cancel the evac and lock the button for a minute or so

gleaming slate Mar 9, 2018, 5:33 PM

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That’s a solid suggestion only problem what if the host is the idiot that hit the button early? Lol

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Like the whole reason I go into a certain zone is for specific mats and gold right, and to have someone decide FOR ME “ hey it’s time to go mfs” is dumb imo. I’ve missed out on tons of useful mats because of it

zealous needle Mar 9, 2018, 5:40 PM

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If the host is an idiot, then let it be. Since he's the host.
No voting based solution ever works out. Almighty host is better, even if the host is and idiot. For a 4 player team having an idiot host happens less times than having an idiot among other 3 players, who ruin it for everyone.
And if you are still afraid of that - host yourself :)

//never host myself, almost never seen a bad host

gleaming slate Mar 9, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Still doesn’t solve the problem. Whenever I host even with one other friend we never get any teammates to join. And currently you can’t matchmake with a friend in the lobby because quick join gets greyed out and forces you to host, so it’s a lose lose. Cant matchmake into an existing team, and if we host we can’t get any teammates. 🤔

near glacier Mar 9, 2018, 5:56 PM

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i agree with the host thing

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it's the host's game so ultimately he should decide if to finish a mission early or continue till the map is fully completed

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which would be fine if he communicates this to people who join

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but again that goes into a previous suggestion of mine to be able to display on the server list what kind of play you are doing 'Fast mission completion', 'Collecting crafting materials', 'Full completion of caves' etc

gleaming slate Mar 9, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Suppose the server list thing isn’t a bad idea, although it might make it even harder to get teammates if they’re searching for way too specific of a match tbh... it wouldn’t even be an issue if it turns into host having the “nope” option, but it is cause we can never get teammates.

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To matchmake on Xbox w a buddy you currently have to do an extremely obnoxious sequence. Since you can’t quick join w people, you have to quick join solo and pray there’s another spot open for you to invite your friend. If not you have to load the map up and quit immediately, repeat this process until success. Sometimes this takes a very long time, which at that point we give up. Server list would help but Xbox doesn’t currently have if

zealous needle Mar 9, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Teammates... * launches DRG, checks server list : [0 servers] *
What are those ... teammates?

gleaming slate Mar 9, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Yet again at least pc has the option of a server list

shell flower Mar 9, 2018, 6:52 PM

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ok hello all, I come from a youtube channel that played this game and I fell in love with it and came up with a new mode/mission type. I don't know what the name should be but anyway you go to a level with said mode and you have to explode a dangerous artifact in this area. You have to find the artifact put the charge set the timer and run back, when the charge blows up the map will come down with it in a few minutes and when the timer goes to zero and you're not in the escape pod, you go boom.And the rest is like the normal but I also thought about the mission not giving you enough resources but then I thought of just adding some material that you need to find to make the explosive and while you're trying to find said material you will also find other materials that will help you with upgrading and such (the bonus missions will also probably get you some materials aswell but I don't know about that). So yeah, that's my idea, feel free to criticize and change somethings if the idea actually comes in the game but i'm not the one to the decide that so lets leave it to the best.

autumn willow Mar 9, 2018, 7:11 PM

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I have a idea that would cause mass panic. What if we made a second exploder. Instead of a explosion, it when it suicides, it releases a small acid cloud like the Pretorian that can dominate a Small, lets say... 4 meter area for 3 seconds?

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could help push dwarves back further, or lock off trains, making more challange

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Or your running back through a cave, and one of those pops in the compact dirt tunnel

shell flower Mar 9, 2018, 7:40 PM

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and also i think the satchel charge explosion should be more like epic

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it's pretty anti climactic when you blow it up in the middle of a horde in a tunnel

tidal loom Mar 9, 2018, 7:47 PM

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I'm honestly surprised they haven't added this to the jukebox yet https://youtu.be/kLp_Hh6DKWc

YouTube

DarwinsLilGirl

Grieg - In the Hall of the Mountain King

You are walking down into the heart of a mountain. In it, you are told, is the one you've come to see. Welcome to the hall...of the Mountain King. (Please......

▶ Play video

autumn willow Mar 9, 2018, 8:07 PM

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It is!

cloud oasis Mar 9, 2018, 9:46 PM

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Been struggling with single player games, I sometimes start an open game, in the hopes that someone will join, only to be killed by a ceiling sucker, how about bosco joins you until another player joins?

lean haven Mar 9, 2018, 9:46 PM

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been suggested, no info on if it will be implemented or not as of yet

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but I agree, an adaptive system with bosco would be great

hidden vine Mar 9, 2018, 9:49 PM

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cave leaches are kinda annoying on solo, but i think as long as you always check the ceiling first thing every time you enter a new area you can deal with them

lean haven Mar 9, 2018, 9:51 PM

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not to mention that in the worst case scenario where you mess up and do get grabbed, bosco has revives to use

icy geyser Mar 9, 2018, 10:29 PM

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How does everyone else feel about switching the gunner and drillers pistol?

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I think it would be better that way

lean haven Mar 9, 2018, 10:29 PM

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now there's an idea

icy geyser Mar 9, 2018, 10:29 PM

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I did put it in my survey 😛

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but I think the gunner already has a big gun

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that can be used at range

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vs the pretty weak driller pistol

lean haven Mar 9, 2018, 10:30 PM

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they'd need to buff his minigun a bit though if they took the revolver away

icy geyser Mar 9, 2018, 10:30 PM

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maybe

lean haven Mar 9, 2018, 10:30 PM

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and give the new driller pistol more ammunition

young kelp Mar 9, 2018, 10:30 PM

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I feel like the revolver isn't as useful as it could be.

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Powerful? sure, but I need more ammo.

icy geyser Mar 9, 2018, 10:30 PM

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but I rarely use the revolver when I run outta ammo tbf

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I am okay with the ammo

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its there to pick off lone targets like spitters etc, so I dont mind the ammo

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but the point is, the guynner can already achieve that with the minigun

young kelp Mar 9, 2018, 10:31 PM

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😃

icy geyser Mar 9, 2018, 10:31 PM

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vs the driller, who just stands there and waits for the scout or gunner to do that

lean haven Mar 9, 2018, 10:31 PM

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eh, driller can do it all right

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he just has low damage overall

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with his pistol

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 10:42 PM

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the drillers pistol has high damage over all anyways though 🤔

lean haven Mar 9, 2018, 10:42 PM

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eh, dps wise, maybe

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doesn't feel like it base damage wise

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 10:42 PM

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no i mean the Revolver has more dps but the driller has so much ammo it adds up to more in the end

near glacier Mar 9, 2018, 11:06 PM

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give us back hazard 5

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😏

idle quartz Mar 9, 2018, 11:22 PM

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hazard 5 is just called hazard 4 now

midnight canyon Mar 9, 2018, 11:41 PM

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I think a good thing to do with the drillers pistol. Is make it full auto, less damage per shot, larger magazine.

ruby garden Mar 9, 2018, 11:52 PM

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Suggestion: Make beard purchases effective cross-class i.e. I buy The Prospector and I can apply it to all four classes immediately.

When I bought The Swanson for my Scout, I assumed I could apply it to all my classes. It's the same asset, and a cosmetic-only 'purchase' feels like you're buying the asset to be applied to anything - and all four classes have the same beards. It has no gameplay relevance and cosmetic/vanity shop is completely flat, so I assumed it would be available for my Driller too. When I found out that I'd have to buy it for all four classes, i was pretty surprised, and then subsequently bummed out. It was a pretty big investment in terms of gameplay hours at 16k credits and it doesn't say anywhere that your purchased beard is specific to that character. Just feels like a player-unfriendly layer to the vanity items.

<@&257786783666929665> s - thoughts?

elfin sundial Mar 10, 2018, 12:09 AM

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all the purchases are for one class

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even the upgrades are not cross class

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the shops even allow you to switch class in the shop to purchase stuff for another class

buoyant galleon Mar 10, 2018, 12:22 AM

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Not sure if anyone else ahs suggested this, but the green gas that damages players can be pretty dangerous, especially when being swarmed or in narrow corridors, so thought maybe the driller with the flame thrower or anything that creates flames (e.g. explosions) would be able to remove the gas quicker to support the team. Perhaps limited to just one class, most likely the driller because of the flamethrower and it being a class to deal with the enviroment.

hallow roost Mar 10, 2018, 1:39 AM

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Not a bad idea, would certainly help in fungus bog areas with the gas mushrooms

hallow roost Mar 10, 2018, 1:58 AM

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As for the earlier idea about switching pistols between the driller and gunner, while I can see where you are coming from, you have to remember the roles each character has. The gunners entire MO is killing glyphids quickly and efficiently, he’s able to do this via a combination of his gatling gun for fighting off swarms, and his revolver for targeting weak points when precision is needed. The driller is not meant to fight as directly. His flamethrower, while capable of setting whole swarms ablaze, is more about damage over time instead of outright killing them. His pistol, while giving him some range, has mediocre damage potential unless you land constant critical hits and is more built for that and taking out squishier ranged glyphids the others are too distracted to kill. And finally the drills make for an excellent melee weapon, to offset his pickaxes lack of an enemy damage buff, but that’s more for self defense against getting Zerg rushed than as a valid attack strategy.

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Basically what I’m saying is that the gunner is all about killing glyphids, while the driller only has tools to cover the other classes backs and take some of the pressure off. If you switch out their pistols you’d be compromising the gunners ability to do his job, in order to enhance the combat ability of someone who isn’t supposed to be on the front lines.

jolly tendon Mar 10, 2018, 2:23 AM

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Suggestion: Include a line of dialogue acknowledging, and expressing extreme disappointment at, the fact that you've gotten every single barrel into the drop pod. https://i.imgur.com/z8LfBSa.jpg

Imgur

oblique rock Mar 10, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Hazard level 5

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and the gunner should keep his revolver, he is heavy weapons dwarf

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would not make much sense if he carried around anything less than a revolver

olive mountain Mar 10, 2018, 3:57 AM

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allow driller to collect minerals by drilling, add a bag size upgrade for driller

twilit plinth Mar 10, 2018, 4:13 AM

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Add a flying type species that's main purpose really is to hurt you on zip liens which reduces the cheesy nature of just going back and forth on the zip line. https://strawpoll.com/g6cedyha

Add a flying type species to the game to help with the zipline pro...

Add a flying type species to the game to help with the zipline problem. - Whats your opinion? Vote now!

lean haven Mar 10, 2018, 4:17 AM

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hallow roost Mar 10, 2018, 4:44 AM

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If we do get a flying type, it shouldn’t come in a swarm, the grounded swarmers are already challenging to deal with in a hectic fight, a flying swarm variant would just be annoying

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Got an idea for a non glyphid enemy type

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A rival company of elves who figure that if a company like Deep Rock can mine Hoxxes with Dwarves, elves could probably do it even better, “logically” speaking.

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They’d be a more unique encounter, with a chance for them to spawn in each map. They’d have equipment similar to the dwarves.

idle quartz Mar 10, 2018, 4:52 AM

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we used to have a flying type though, it was removed.

fiery harbor Mar 10, 2018, 4:52 AM

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flying type is interesting. but in real life, many kinds of bugs would have no issue traversing those ziplines, when considered at scale.

idle quartz Mar 10, 2018, 4:52 AM

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and no we arnt going to have humanoid enemies, its an ai issue =\

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also fuck elves

solid dune Mar 10, 2018, 4:52 AM

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i miss the jellies 😦

fiery harbor Mar 10, 2018, 4:53 AM

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arachnids by definition know how to traverse ziplines

hallow roost Mar 10, 2018, 4:53 AM

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Damn, still, would be fun to kill elves

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Mining accidents do happen from time to time, and these glyphids can get viscous

oblique violet Mar 10, 2018, 5:26 AM

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way to fix the cheese of ziplines, make it so you cant reverse directions

leaden root Mar 10, 2018, 5:34 AM

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or just have the swarmers be able to climb on the wire

lost cosmos Mar 10, 2018, 5:48 AM

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here's a thought I just had

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it'd be pretty cool to play as a robot

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I dunno what class it would be attached to or its own thing

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but just

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robot

elfin sundial Mar 10, 2018, 5:57 AM

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I still want this game on linux

frosty ledge Mar 10, 2018, 6:03 AM

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anyone suggest playing as the bugs? basically like l4d

obtuse vigil Mar 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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an option for the monitor choice would be great on my computer starts the game always on the wrong screen

glacial wedge Mar 10, 2018, 9:39 AM

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It's a known issue

obtuse vigil Mar 10, 2018, 9:40 AM

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okay

shell flower Mar 10, 2018, 10:26 AM

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just wanna know

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if anyone read my idea for a new mode

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but anyway, I think the face textures for the dwarves is a bit weird and kind of disgusting

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like the blood vessels can be seen and like ugh, quite weird but i'm prob just being picky

robust summit Mar 10, 2018, 10:55 AM

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A personal statistics profile that you can view that has total kills of each enemy and total minerals mined of each mineral would be neat, and a count of how much in total has been killed and an amount of how much has been mined!

dim robin Mar 10, 2018, 11:00 AM

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A „better“ Assault Rifle Reload Animation

buoyant galleon Mar 10, 2018, 11:02 AM

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I also thought about the idea of a new class all about reading the enviroment, so perhaps they could get a 3d map, or if youve seen the film prometheus, send out a device that can scan the room the player is in and briefly light it up for the team, but it will stop upon reaching a dead end type area of the map where drilling is required to move on. They could also perhaps have some kind of compass to the dirt to reach new areas, or something that points in the direction of types of ore, it could give the player in indication of being warmer or colder to what they are looking for, via colour or beeping or something. Perhaps this class could also have some kind of motion detector like the one from the Alien francise, to point out the direction a swarm is coming from and they can call it out to the team. While it would be OP in navigating, it could balance by having poor combat or such like in order to promote the teamwork, and would be a valuable asset to teams looking to explore and mine with efficiency and speed.

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Also a grenade that when it explodes it causes a cluster block of dirt or rock, which could be used to close tunnels behind you when running, and if timed correctly used to make extra platforms or reach ore. Howevee it wont detonate if there are any players in the blast radius and so works via proximty, but obviously rather than something being in the blast area, it works by the opposite

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Also, i noticed occasionally there are 'Tremor' type events occasionally where everything shakes loudly and particles of rock come down, so on top of that I thought it could be cool to have a mechanic that causes cave ins, either by mining a type of material that is completely safe until mined (similar to the giesers) and if trigged will cause rocks from directly above to fall around and on the player that they would then have to dig out from. Or perhaps one of the Bugs could have some ability to cause a small cave in around them if they are damaged enough (similar to that of a creeper from minecraft) which can be avoided if killed quickly enough, if not it panics and causea a small cave in.

buoyant galleon Mar 10, 2018, 11:57 AM

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Going back to what i said about a class that can use a better map and things to use the environment, the class could also have the ability have more than one thing marked at any time with the identifier, helping spot for the team and callouts. Again due to these abilities possibily being a bit OP there could be a mechanic where your marked ore/walls and things only show to the rest of the team if you are within a certain range of them, which would promote further teamwork.

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And perhaps a class with ability to throw down a temporary bubble shield or wall that can for a limited time block ranged attacks providing that the team is within that designated bubble, which could help at times and possibly be a bad idea if being swarmed by lots without range, thus needing skill to know when and where to place it.

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Sorry for all the messages, I just keep having lots of ideas for the game 😂

fossil canopy Mar 10, 2018, 12:41 PM

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how about a way to blacklist people

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so they cant join your games anymore

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this would help me a lot, because i cant play public games due to all the retarded noobs

viscid bloom Mar 10, 2018, 12:57 PM

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I want to use the mixer interaction, but when enemy spawning is being spammed it's not so much fun. The amount of praetorians spawned with excess health was absurd in a recent stream.

stoic hearth Mar 10, 2018, 1:28 PM

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Can’t we just let bugs climb on ziplimes

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Ziplines

flat bough Mar 10, 2018, 2:28 PM

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could let acid spitters target ziplines as an individual entity if players are on them for too long

viral bridge Mar 10, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Suggestion:

How about having a warning pop up on the screen (a symbol / icon), in-game, when the Player is in immediate proximity to hazardous objects and materials? (e.g. poison / acid clouds (Glyphid Praetorian); fire and flames being ejected (Magma Core); radioactive, white crystals (Radioactive Exclusion Zone); etc.)

When the Player comes close enough, but not so close, that they are directly affected or damaged by the source, the icon would appear on screen, perhaps slowly flashing or blinking, with neutral colors (like gray and white). The speed of the animation could also increase or decrease, depending on the distance to the hazard.

As the Player enters the zone where damage is inflicted (e.g. standing in the poisonous cloud), the icon changes its color (e.g. to red). The animation may even freeze to a single frame at this point, so the warning is displayed at all times, until the affected area is left or the Player steps out of the cloud / away from the crystal. The symbol may still be animated in a flashing or pulsating kind of way, to indicate, that the threat is present and inflicting damage.

This would only show on screen (HUD), when the Player is close enough to a given material. It would not appear during normal gameplay, where these sources are not present or nearby.

The indicator could be shown to the Player in first person view, primarily or exclusively.

Short version:

No hazard in range or in proximity: No popup.
Hazard in range, but not dealing damage: Popup appears, but may be colorless and / or blinking.
Hazard is damaging the Player: Popup becomes colored and may become stationary; possibly animated, still.

...or a variation of these and others...

Could also display on screen, just as you are about to be hit by a Dreadnought's ball of fire, when it comes close / passes by in flight. The coughing mushrooms also come to mind.

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Also, excuse the wall of text.

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An option to toggle (on/off) this, may be something to consider, as well.

pale prism Mar 10, 2018, 3:22 PM

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I have several ideas but I'll stick to one for now
Enemy: Mimic
Description: Mimic has "stashed resources" all over it's body, on its arms, legs and back. It lies in wait for its prey to approach and attempt to mine the resources, when you take your pickaxe to it it lunges out and snatches you. It then begins to damage you. Your friends need to attack it enough to cause it to drop you and then it tries to run away. If successful in killing it you receive all the rescources and such on its body

It should be fast enough to have a chance to get away, it also needs to have some form of tell, like it moves slightly or it sticks an eye out to look around.

glass burrow Mar 10, 2018, 4:19 PM

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like a little submarine-eye lurking out of the ground right in front of the resources... that would be wonderful hilarious 😄

ember yacht Mar 10, 2018, 4:56 PM

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Any chance of a upcoming 4 pack for the game? i want to gift the game to a few friends but money saved is money i can spend for more copies of the game!

shell flower Mar 10, 2018, 4:58 PM

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what?..

flat bough Mar 10, 2018, 4:59 PM

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since its a co-op centric game sell it as a 4 pack so that people can get a copy for themselves and gift it to 3 friends

ember yacht Mar 10, 2018, 5:00 PM

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^

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4 packs tend to be 4 copies of the game for the price of 3, so saving money and having friends to play with

solid dune Mar 10, 2018, 5:01 PM

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People have asked about 4 packs but we have no word if that will happen

ember yacht Mar 10, 2018, 5:01 PM

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thanks for the answer

leaden root Mar 10, 2018, 5:23 PM

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Nitra needs to have xp or resource bonus when you extract with it. It would add an interesting gamepaly choice to get another supply drop or push with less ammo to get the bonus.

ember yacht Mar 10, 2018, 5:26 PM

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it adds to exp as mined ore

hard ermine Mar 10, 2018, 5:29 PM

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I thought i heard 4 packs aren't a thing on steam anymore

near glacier Mar 10, 2018, 5:30 PM

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from people who don't know what they're talking about, yeah

hard ermine Mar 10, 2018, 5:30 PM

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whew awesome

near glacier Mar 10, 2018, 5:30 PM

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and i agree about the extracting with nitra suggestion

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there should be some type of reward for actually bringing nitra back home with you instead of spunking it all away on supply pods (just because we have so much of it)

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and @ember yacht it adds to exp whether you spend it or not, treewl's suggestion would only be if not spending it

leaden root Mar 10, 2018, 5:54 PM

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I'm actually supprised the nitra bonus is not already in the game as the announcer says "credits withdrawn" when you call one in

viral bridge Mar 10, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Suggestion:

An indicator could be added to the Resupply Pod's popup message, to show how much Nitra is needed, for the Pod to be called, still.

(e.g. 'Cost: 80 Nitra (??/80)' - where '??' would show the total amount of Nitra the team has in their inventory or collected, at least until 80 Nitra is reached, instead of displaying it as 'Cost: 80 Nitra')

*Not trying to take credit here, if this has been suggested before.

Just expand the idea some.*

buoyant galleon Mar 10, 2018, 7:30 PM

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is the trello suggestion board open to post on at the moment? Ive got it up but down know how to add my suggestions. Any help?

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 7:53 PM

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As a quick reminder to some of you, let's not make the game too easy. Some quality of life upgrades is fine, but nothing should make the game "easier" than it already currently is.

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That's just how I feel.

leaden root Mar 10, 2018, 8:03 PM

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I agree, as I level up it gets a bit easier and I wish there were longer caves systems and higher difficulties. Especially if it made MORE enemies instead of stronger.

sharp valley Mar 10, 2018, 8:15 PM

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^ that would be cool.
it would be neat if there will be even more upgrades in the game eventually, maybe some upgrade branching. eg each class being able to select between 3-4 of their own guns (the extra ones you unlock/buy), or upgrade perks and be able to select between them. like, the final armour upgrade comes with a perk, what if there were a couple perks so you could select between them. eg. driller could choose between: fire resistance, drill fuel slowly regens, or you can carry double drill ammo, but half pistol ammo (just examples). the engineer could pick between poison resistance, carrying more turret ammo or more platform ammo.

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i think the driller pistol also still needs a slight buff. at full upgrade it is juuust on par, imo of course, with the base versions of the other classes guns (excluding the gunner because... they're the gunner). i think it should start out at 9-10 damage and at full upgrade be 12-13 damage.

grizzled lichen Mar 10, 2018, 8:18 PM

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Hey! im not sure if this is a suggestion or a bug really but: if you change your beard collor your haircollor doesnt follow it! it should auto-match the beard collor ofcoarse 😃

leaden root Mar 10, 2018, 8:30 PM

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whattheshark, I totally agree. A more "TF2" weapon or perk choice that change the class would rock. It's also seems a bit easier then the "Overwatch" approach of adding a new class.

pulsar flax Mar 10, 2018, 9:38 PM

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Some things i would suggest is giving the option to buy different flare colours in the vanity store

also for the extraction point missions specifically itd be really good if the blue gems around the main one stopped glowing after you extract the gem.

drifting robin Mar 10, 2018, 9:50 PM

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@pulsar flax generally the best thing i have ever seen

sharp valley Mar 10, 2018, 10:22 PM

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@pulsar flax both great ideas, would specifically love colours for flares

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 10:26 PM

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Suggestion: "Digmates." If both you and another player accept, you can become Digmates. Up to 4 players can be in the same dig squad, and if some or all of the squad are in a mission together, you get some slight bonuses to Hazard level; as such, a higher return. However, if all four of you are in the same squad, you unlock a theoretical Hazard 6 mode, assuming a Hazard 5 will come out.

Hazard 6 is nothing but pure challenge; not only are there less resources and EXP than Hazard 5, but enemies are far more numerous, as well as being as tough as 5.

The major draw of playing High-Priority Hazard 6 missions, however, come from special cosmetic bonuses that you can only earn from defeating Hazard 6 missions. The ultimate challenge, with the rewards to show it off. No lootboxes, no real-money cosmetics.

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Just pure skill.

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Ditching digmates is possible. However, you have a temporary reduction of EXP, resource, and credit earnings for each digmate you remove.

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Make your choice count.

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Someone suggested it already
Hazard Level 5, maybe even a six, seven and 8 (for 200%)

Not sure if suggested or not
Modifiers and Cruches :
Modifiers would be things that would increase the end reward amount (like hazard percent) but make the game more difficult in the long run.
-Warrior Gylphids make gas clouds
-Swarmers Leap
-Dreadnaught spawns (chance to come with a swarm)
-Weakpoints only (any hard-ish carapiece will act like Pretorian blocking, headshots or belly)
-Limited Downs (like in Solo Bosco can only rez twice)
-Timed Downs (can be combo'd with Limited, don't get rez'd in time out for good)
Crutches would make it a bit eaiser in the loss of hazard percent
-Enemies can drop nitra
-Players can regen to 50% health
-Faster Shield Recharge

Hazard Levels that are greater than 4 will block, and include certain Mods/Crutches

hearty scroll Mar 10, 2018, 11:07 PM

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Not sure if this has been suggested before but a possible buff or tweak for Engineer would be to negate fall damage if you land on one of his platforms(already look like sponges). This could help his synergy with Scout, and allow him to get teammates out of rough situations.

shut forge Mar 10, 2018, 11:07 PM

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a soccer field with a single barrel, barrel soccer

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:08 PM

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@main olive The Dreadnought already randomly spawns sometimes, swarm or no.

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Even in Hazard 3.

abstract oracle Mar 10, 2018, 11:09 PM

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Hey Guys i am thinking of this since i start getting into the game & loving it

You should add a Pvp mode where 2 team of 4 players start at a different spot in a cave with their own mule & start gathering ( they can choose to coop trought the cave OR decide to kill each other to steal material & stuff )

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It would be so much fun

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:10 PM

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I'm down with the idea of competing for resources, but I'm not so sure about killing each other.

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Not only would that be a huge dent in the company's bottom line, lore-wise, but it would also push game development in a direction I don't think it should go.

abstract oracle Mar 10, 2018, 11:10 PM

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At least like downing the player & bein able to grab what is in pocket

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:11 PM

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Ok, but what would have them actually complete the mission?

abstract oracle Mar 10, 2018, 11:11 PM

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Just an idea i thought it would be fun for a new game mode

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Only one team can escape alive 😈😈😈

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:11 PM

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@earnest ore fair enough but repeated spawns or more likely as a modifier

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:12 PM

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Sure, yeah.

abstract oracle Mar 10, 2018, 11:12 PM

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( i mean like only one escape pod .. so you can choose to escape togheter or make the other team go behind

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:12 PM

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hmm I like a Team vs. Team idea. Mining rights

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happens with RL Gold mining

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:13 PM

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PVP should be limited to competing over resources only, and not trying to actively kill each other.

abstract oracle Mar 10, 2018, 11:13 PM

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I also like this idea mako

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I would be very pleased with a pvp mode

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:14 PM

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Due to the way resource collection and map generation works, they'd either NEVER see each other, making the game mode worthless, or they'd be constantly on each other's asses, in a way that's no longer fun.

abstract oracle Mar 10, 2018, 11:14 PM

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Even if its only competing for materials

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:14 PM

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It'd be very, very challenging to implement properly.

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:14 PM

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idk if it should go a full PvP kill each other (or that being a goal) but if that nitra or chroppa is in range can push and shove with melee

abstract oracle Mar 10, 2018, 11:15 PM

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I dont think so because when u play a different game mode the map generation is different in orders to fit the game mode

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So with a pvp mode the map would be in order that both team would collide at some point

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:16 PM

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there is already FF so it would be possible to shoot and kill

abstract oracle Mar 10, 2018, 11:16 PM

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Yeaa

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:16 PM

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but Bugs don't care who's on who's side

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:16 PM

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Ok, but what then? When it comes to "competing for resources," how would you implement that?

abstract oracle Mar 10, 2018, 11:16 PM

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That would be cool i think

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:16 PM

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and more players should == more hostiles

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competeing for resources? 2 mollys

abstract oracle Mar 10, 2018, 11:17 PM

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Yea 2 mollys

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:17 PM

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if one team hoards all the Morkite

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then 1 team fails

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someone gets all the pearls

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there they go

abstract oracle Mar 10, 2018, 11:18 PM

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( i would mean a way to steal ressource from ennemy’s mule )

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:18 PM

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and if one team extracts the number of hostiles stays as if 8 players

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:18 PM

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I still don't buy it; the actual player interaction would either be non-existent, simply resulting in EVERYONE getting less resources in the end without some crazy modifier, or it would be entirely non-fun and really frustrating.

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Like, stealing shit from enemy mules? What keeps you from just doing that over and over again?

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:18 PM

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they can still extract but they won't get primary or secondsary (or what one they couldn't finish)

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yeah the "stealing" from other mule would be too much

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more of "someone has a pearl, melee and it goes rolling"

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:19 PM

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And how is that not equally frustrating?

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:19 PM

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once it's in a depositiory it's there to stay

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:19 PM

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Both teams constantly hitting each other over a single pearl.

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"Players would be smart enough to not waste time"

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Brothers...

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No.

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They aren't.

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:20 PM

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it's PvP

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:20 PM

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Players are actually dumb as fuck.

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:20 PM

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I guess PvPvE

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so it's not just 2 teams, nothing hazzardous

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someone might yolo the pearl in a swarm

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:21 PM

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"nothing hazzardous" ?

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:21 PM

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it's like sarcasm, just poorly done

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there are still bugs

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holes

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and it'd have to be a special mission type

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:21 PM

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So then you have players constantly dying while smacking each other over resources, just because the bugs showed up and no one wants to relent.

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:22 PM

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yes

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:22 PM

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The more you have to bend the game rules just the fit the game mode, the worse the game mode is, by the way.

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:22 PM

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that is the core of Players vs Players

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:22 PM

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Things should remain relatively consistent throughout, and the entire game is built around PVE with mining.

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:22 PM

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why it'd be another mission type that PvPvE players will enjoy

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two picks crossing idk

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:23 PM

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The more I think about this idea, the less I buy it. At best, implementation would be fucking hell in a hand basket.

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At worst, the concept is entirely incompatible with the game itself.

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:23 PM

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wait, are you one of the devs?

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:24 PM

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Ahh, don't offer me such a tempting opportunity to lie. It makes me want to do it.

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But no, I'm not.

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But I do have an understanding of how certain aspects of game design work, as well as allocation of resources.

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:24 PM

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so what makes you, more in power to shut down people's suggestions? If people want it, they will vote, if not it dies

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heck we were discussing on how to make it work

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:25 PM

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Discuss it all you want. That's what we're doing here, isn't it?

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:25 PM

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you're outright shooting it down

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:25 PM

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I'm free to disagree and tell you all the reasons why I don't think it would work.

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I don't have any say in the development, so I think saying I'm "shooting down the suggestion" is a bit radical.

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You clearly agree. I'm out-numbered here.

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:26 PM

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no I just want you to offer something to it

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:26 PM

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wat

idle quartz Mar 10, 2018, 11:26 PM

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"Co-op first" makes any pvp/competitive modes a bit radical

unborn vigil Mar 10, 2018, 11:26 PM

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"If people want it, they will vote"... Not exactly how it works. But that aside, you're free to keep supporting your idea, as are other people. Mako is free to say that he doesn't think it will work. And the devs are free to decide, regardless of how many people "vote" for or against, whether or not to implement it.

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:27 PM

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even if you dislike a portion is there still a counter to why

idle quartz Mar 10, 2018, 11:27 PM

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i didnt read the whole conversation but it sounds like thats whats going on 😛

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:27 PM

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yeah more or less @idle quartz

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:28 PM

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I'm just thinking about it beyond it just being a cool game mode idea, into stuff like what strain development would put on the devs, how much it would cost, how much change it would require to make functional, how to make it fun versus a complete exercise in frustration, etc.

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The amount of things that go into video game development are staggering, and it's typically necessary to consider everything.

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PVP in general tends to often be frustrating, even when well designed. It's something important to keep in mind.

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Even IF you implement the game mode and do it pretty well, how do you make it worth players time, without also frustrating the people who refuse to play it?

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etc, etc, etc

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it goes on forever lol

idle quartz Mar 10, 2018, 11:30 PM

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The hardest aspect of pvp is balancing the goal of mining/exploration with just straight up killing eachother

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not killing other players would still need to be a viable tactic.

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:31 PM

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I don't think killing should even be done at all, if implemented.

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Even outside of the lore.

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...Why would a mining company allow its miners to kill each other?

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That's terrible for the bottom line.

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:32 PM

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I figured it'd be something that end-game players could do, I'm already player level 24, and eventually without something that adds more tot he challenge it ends up waiting for the next content update. And yes I agree killing shouldn't be the obj

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:33 PM

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The trouble of balance isn't "mining vs killing;" it's mining vs meaningful player interaction.

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If they rarely interact, and it's just who does it faster, why isn't it something like a score attack and a leaderboard? Much cheaper to implement.

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If they do interact often, as people would expect of PVP, how would you make it both meaningful AND less frustrating than fun?

main olive Mar 10, 2018, 11:34 PM

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hmm not sure about score boards, I don't want the game to go the route of "They are Billions"

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where most updates are towards "score changes"

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And I'd say just have the map gen twice of the Start points (team A, B) and the tunnels connect in the middle (allowing some starting resources to go to the teams)

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but the "loot room" is only on the single stream

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a tad more resource, and a pile more danger

earnest ore Mar 10, 2018, 11:49 PM

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....Hrff...

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if I were to implement it, somehow...

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Two teams of two. Four dwarves. They both start, in a cavern, in the same room. The drop pod is already down, and you can see the timer at 5 minutes. One dwarf team randomly says to the other something along the lines of "Oi, whoever mines most in the next 5 minutes gets free tabs for a week!"

"You're on!" The other team says. And so, the race is on. You have 5 minutes to collect as many resources as possible, deposit them into the pod, and escape. As a "special" game mode, player damage from any other player is disabled, to prevent both griefing and unnecessary PVP. Platforms are also disabled within 5 meters of the exit pod, to prevent exit griefing.

Your main method of dealing with other players is explosives; in this mode, explosives deal enhanced terrain destruction, but it's not possible to call in supply drops. Use them wisely to disrupt enemy mining or movement.

At least one dwarf from a team must escape for them to count, even if they put in more resources.

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I'm not happy with this implementation, but I think it's as close as I can get to "fun" for a PVP mode here.

visual basin Mar 10, 2018, 11:59 PM

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what about a rescue mode

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drop pod in, find the marker where the hurt / lost dwarf is, place the knocked-out dward inside an altered mule with a stasis pod attached to it, and call for a new drop pod

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 12:01 AM

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could be neat.

visual basin Mar 11, 2018, 12:02 AM

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destruction mission, too

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go in, have to place charges on nests, once the final one is placed the countdown begins

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another thing that could add replayability / longevity is

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letting people make their own missions / alter the stats of it

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only spawning a certain type of bug, etc

main olive Mar 11, 2018, 12:08 AM

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That might work for PvP @earnest ore it could do with some tweaking (5 mins is rather short, since by the time Molly gets to the droppad in normal missions you only have 3.5mins left) but seems to be on the right track, I like it.

Rescue mode I was thinking of it, but it'd seem like it'd be a really short game mode, as you'd just have to get to him, save him, and leave. Maybe if it was like a series of Search and Extract (where the area is a huge open cave) where there are several rooms and tunnels looping around, and you have to travel with a scanner that acts like a colder/warmer detector (signal from emegency beacon is getting louder)

but would this be for just credits and XP or would there be other rewards?

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 12:10 AM

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its an exciting concept though, considering the bugs and the darkness itself.

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having your light off could hide you from others

leaden root Mar 11, 2018, 12:11 AM

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https://www.planetminecraft.com/project/18-monster-industries-pvp/

1.8 Monster Industries PVP Minecraft Project

1.8 PVP Map Monster Industries Uh... yeah work is really hard n' stuff but I get to manufacture rad Monsters and drop 'em like bombs on the other company to earn industry domination. So that's cool. Donovan 35 worker in the Monster Industry. You ...

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ik this sounds silly but a system like this would be pretty cool

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you could spend nitra to slow the other team down, by sending a swarm, causing an earthquake, breaking thier M.U.L.E

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iot wouldn't be too lore friendly but it would add interaction between the groups as they both go for thier objective

visual basin Mar 11, 2018, 12:13 AM

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yeah

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a race type of thing could be cool but

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that doesnt fit the "trying to make mone yfor the mining company"

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aint nothing to gain by breaking eachothers mules

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 12:14 AM

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I decided to forgo lore stuff for the sake of humoring discussion

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but, in the end, it's something to consider.

visual basin Mar 11, 2018, 12:14 AM

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endless game mode

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just keep trying to go deeper and deeper as it gets harder and harder

leaden root Mar 11, 2018, 12:15 AM

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I think any one on one PVP would be clunky and agianst what the game is all about. I will say it would be cool to have a race of sorts between two groups

unborn vigil Mar 11, 2018, 12:24 AM

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I mean, for the sake of lore, PvP probably isn't as hard to justify as you guys are making it out to be. Outright attacking other players, sure, that's a little extreme. But sabotage or just competing to turn in more minerals first? It's as easy as this:

Who says there's only one mining company?

Maybe there's a buyer out looking for a large supply of something, this area has the highest concentration, and two companies both send miners in to search for it. Either the buyer only takes the deal for the company who can provide more, or they're just paying well above market value for a time and your company wants to get as big a slice of that paycheck as they can by denying other companies as much ore as they can, through beating them to it or through some non-lethal sabotage.

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 12:25 AM

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What, are you saying introduce a different company that's not Deep Rock Galactic?

unborn vigil Mar 11, 2018, 12:26 AM

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You don't even have to go in depth. Your company is always Deep Rock Galactic, but they allude to or outright name the company that your opponents are working for.

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 12:27 AM

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The lore ramifications are big, boyo; not something you can just haphazardly plop in.

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... <@&257786783666929665> The lore is well considered, yes? Not that I were to assume otherwise, but since it's clearly smarter to focus more on gameplay and mechanics first, we haven't seen too much.

unborn vigil Mar 11, 2018, 12:31 AM

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Were you assuming that DRG is the only dwarf-powered mining establishment in space? 'Cause that seems.... silly to me. It's a basic tenant of supply vs. demand, if a product is under enough demand, other companies will find a way to supply it.

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 12:32 AM

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in space? no, in hoxxes yes thats been clearly established in the lore

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 12:33 AM

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^

unborn vigil Mar 11, 2018, 12:33 AM

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Then I'm behind on the lore, I guess? My bad.

drifting robin Mar 11, 2018, 12:34 AM

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Mako the trello says they are working on lore terminal? unsure to what it means tho!

main olive Mar 11, 2018, 12:34 AM

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Probably a spot when you're bored can read up on lore?

drifting robin Mar 11, 2018, 12:34 AM

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that sounds likely

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Ooh, lore terminal.

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I like me the sound of that.

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I'm a bit of a lorehound.

drifting robin Mar 11, 2018, 12:39 AM

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me too haha

oblique rock Mar 11, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Hazard level 5

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Care to elaborate?

sharp valley Mar 11, 2018, 12:54 AM

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re: PvPvE - if you look at Sea of Thieves, people are going to play that literally just to kill, harass, grief other players unless there are mechanics in place to encourage interaction other than i can kill whoever i want without risk to myself.

this game doesn't seem like it has the right foundation for PvP

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 12:56 AM

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Eh open world though, they know what they're signing up for. Obviously any pvp mode would be a specific game mode people sign up for

sharp valley Mar 11, 2018, 12:59 AM

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the thing with sea of thieves even though it is open world, the devs always wanted it (from their interviews) to be about adventure and not knowing if people will attack. a lot of the times players (in my experience) see another vessel and immediately attempt to attack.

with Deep Rock, the hypothetical PvP mode, even though it would be a specific mode, it would need mechanics in place that would make it competitive and fun without incentive to just be jerks to other players.

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 1:00 AM

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What I've been saying over the course of this discussion, yes.

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It's very, very difficult, especially so for a game being designed without it in mind.

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How do you make it so that it's not totally shoehorned in, without being frustrating, while being meaningful, while drawing players (so it's not a waste of development resources), WITHOUT taking too many development resources, WHILE not having the draw be so good the "proper" game mode is ignored?

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See: Fortnite vs Fortnite BR.

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 1:01 AM

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why competitive? could just be a casual lols pvp mode, like ddo

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 1:01 AM

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PVE players feel shafted by BR's existance.

sharp valley Mar 11, 2018, 1:02 AM

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cries in Fortnite PvE

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Question: Why do people play this game?

Yadda yadda game is fun whatever. Why do people keep playing this game?

Probably a sense of progression. That next armor set is right out of reach!

What's most effective towards getting armor? Which is the faster grind? PVE or PVP?

sharp valley Mar 11, 2018, 1:04 AM

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this game just doesn't seem like the type to support a PvP system, with the way the classes are. they're designed to work together not against one another. unless the dwarves get drunk and have some sort of ridiculous battle arena

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 1:04 AM

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The answer determines which mode becomes a practical ghost town.

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PVP will exist, though, if it's the LAST fucking thing I do.

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Abyss Bar drunken fistfights, ala Vermintide.

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Drink Morkite Ale, and beat the snot out of each other.

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Maybe be able to bet credits on a winner.

sharp valley Mar 11, 2018, 1:05 AM

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and you're right, the mode needs to be balanced so it's competitive, fun and rewarding while not being a total grief fest

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 1:06 AM

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and not a more effective grind than PVE.

sharp valley Mar 11, 2018, 1:06 AM

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yep

umbral walrus Mar 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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That's what I suggested a while ago, a pvp mode

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Like a race against another team to get the drop, only one team escapes and you can kill the other team

brisk depot Mar 11, 2018, 3:10 AM

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So... it came up today in a multiplayer round that you, the Devs, should add a mic icon next to a player name when someone is talking. we were having trouble communicating and this would help figure things out faster. Please and thank you.

violet swift Mar 11, 2018, 3:11 AM

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Super serious suggestion that needs to happen in game to add more replayability to the game....Add more songs to the Jukebox

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I want more songs to groove too when im not in a dwarf hole.

brisk depot Mar 11, 2018, 3:15 AM

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Also, when you change hair color, all hair should change, not just beard. amiright?

violet swift Mar 11, 2018, 3:16 AM

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No

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I like it the way it is

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It's funny to me

fresh root Mar 11, 2018, 4:14 AM

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I got Deep Rock Galactic for the Xbox One about a week or two ago and since then i have been
playing it non stop. For being in early access this game is amazing and has a solid framework;
however, there are some changes i think should be made to hopefully help make the game
better. These are my thoughts of the game in its current state.

Changes i feel should be made to the playable characters.

The scout:

The changes i feel the scout needs is only a minor one, and it is only a change to one of the
upgrades, specifically the “Armor Piercing Round” upgrade.

Armor piercing rounds that actually pierce through armor.

I feel like this upgrade should do more than just a +2 damage to the gun, this upgrade should
make the ammo well… armor piercing. I think this upgrade should allow a scout to damage a
Glyphid Praetorian and a Glyphid Dreadnaught, no matter where the players shot hits, instead
of just bouncing off of the armor they have, if the upgrade is going to be called armor piercing
rounds i feel it should be able to really punch through the armor of tougher enemies such as
this; however, shots that punch through the armor of these enemies should do reduced damage,
perhaps they should only do 50% damage, or 30% damage.

What kind of gameplay experience does the suggestion / idea add to the game?

It makes the scouts armor piercing round upgrade able to damage a Glyphid Praetorian or
Glyphid dreadnaught no matter where the player hits them, but doing reduced damage.

How does the suggestion / idea contribute to make the game better?

It allows fights with Glyphid Dreadnaughts to be slightly easier, and allows for another way to
damage them instead of needing to only shoot them in the abdomen, use explosives, or the
drillers flamethrower.

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The Engineer:

The changes i think should be made to the Engineer, is another minor change. I’m not going to bother typing out the questions, or coming up with a title for it as it’s a very minor one. I simply feel the engineer should be able to carry 200 more bullets for his sentry turrets, it would make it slightly easier to survive big swarms, especially on harder difficulties.

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The Driller:

The Driller is in-arguably the weakest of the characters in the game, mainly because of his general purpose in life. The scout is important for lighting the area and allowing the team to see, the Engineer and Gunner make getting around easier and also help greatly with fighting off enemies, but the Driller’s only purpose for existing is making 5 seconds of digging into .5 seconds, personally when i play i would rather have 2 of any other class instead of bringing a Driller with us. So i have 5 separate ideas to hopefully give the Driller more of a purpose, and make him better in general.

There should be large chunks of minerals that can only be mined by the Drillers power drills.

The recently full released Subnautica has something like this. Around the map there will be large chunks of titanium, silver, and other resources but those large chunks can only be mined when you have a mech suit with a drill arm, i feel doing something similar by making large chunks spawn around the levels in Deep Rock Galactic that can only be mined by the Driller would give him a more meaningful existence and add a purpose for having a driller on the team.

the flamethrower should be able to burn and destroy plant life.

One annoyance i have been running into when playing the game is that when i go through the “Fungus Bogs” area of the map, there’s almost always annoying plants that block vision… But that’s a good thing, and i feel that giving the Driller’s flamethrower the ability to burn it all down would be a good way to improve the Driller. Adding this could help light up the room, and create a hazard for both enemies and player.

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The power drills should be able to break armor off of Praetorians and Dreadnaughts.

I think a good way to improve the Driller, is to add an upgrade to his power drills. An upgrade which makes his drills chip and break off the tough armor plating of the Glyphid Praetorians and Dreadnaughts, exposing the soft skin underneath and making a vulnerable spot for the rest of the team to shoot.

The Driller should dual wield pistols.

I feel that when the Driller uses his secondary weapon he should dual wield 2 pistols instead of having only one, it would make it a bit easier for him to survive enemy encounters since the flamethrower runs out of ammo so fast.

The driller should not have satchel charges.

I think only the Gunner should have satchel charges, the Driller instead should have something else, the satchel charge is the only weapon that’s shared between 2 of the characters and i feel like every character should have their own unique gear, why not instead of a satchel charge give the Driller a mine they can place?

What kind of gameplay experience do these suggestions / ideas add to the game?

They make the Driller character better, by giving him more of a purpose in life other than reducing the time it takes to dig through walls. By adding chunks of minerals only he can mine, making it easier for him to survive an encounter, and making him a greater asset in combat to the team.

How do the suggestions / ideas contribute to make the game better?

It gives the players an actual reason to have a Driller on the team and have a complete team rather than having a team of three and one duplicate.

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Other changes i feel should be made to the game.

Glyphids.

Glyphid webspitters should explode into webs, creating a small area which would slow down players who walk on it, giving the players another enemy made hazard to keep an eye out instead of only the poisonous gas from a Praetorian.
Glyphid acid spitters should explode into a puddle of acid, creating a small area which would damage the players who walk on it, giving the players another enemy made hazard to keep an eye out instead of only the poisonous gas from a praetorian.
There should be a Glyphid King and Glyphid Queen the players can encounter, either by a random encounter, or by having their own missions where the players need to hunt and kill them, adding more variety to the game and more enemies.

What kind of gameplay experience do these suggestions / ideas add to the game?

They add more hazard areas for players to watch for, and add two new enemies for the players to face.

How do the suggestions / ideas contribute to make the game better?

It makes combat encounters slightly less routine and makes the players stay engaged with the game by keeping their eyes out for hazards.

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Other monsters.

I think there should be a giant worm monster which would work similarly to the Purple Worm from Dungeons and Dragons https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/5e_SRD:Purple_Worm I think this would be a good way to add variety to the monsters of the game, and give another use for the mission control line where he says there’s something big coming for the team. It would be a large boss monster and would come alone, and would eat any Glyphids or other enemies near it, along with the players. It could be a nice interesting random encounter and a good challenge for the players to overcome. Once this large worm is killed, players should be able to mine inside of it and get Gold, and Nitra, similar to how a Loot Bug gives Gold and Nitra once it has been killed.

What kind of gameplay experience does the suggestion / idea add to the game?

It adds a large boss monster as a random encounter, which would kill anything in its path, be it Glyphids, other enemies, or the players, it would be a tough challenge to overcome but once it dies there would be a bountiful reward for the players.

How does the suggestion / idea contribute to make the game better?

It adds more variety to the game, so that there are more possible combat encounters than a Glyphid swarm or a single Glyphid Dreadnaught.

5e SRD:Purple Worm

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there is my current thought on the game in its current state, and suggestions i have to make it better in the future.

plain tree Mar 11, 2018, 4:17 AM

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I think when the Abyss bar gets implemented, there ought to be a mechanical barrel to ride.

hallow roost Mar 11, 2018, 4:31 AM

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@fresh root Don’t know if anybody else will so I’ll say it, very neat and helpful suggestion format, I felt that should be appreciated

fresh root Mar 11, 2018, 4:32 AM

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thank you, i used to spend a lot of time on halowaypoint so i think that helped me a bit lol

hallow roost Mar 11, 2018, 5:02 AM

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That being said, I have to completely disagree with your ideas for the driller. Which is in fact my favorite class, and I am primarily a solo player. Yes, his main gimmick is that his drills break down rock faster than a pickaxe does, but that is actually extremely handy wishing the caverns. Sometimes the best way to get at minerals is to tunnel your way to them, tedious with a pickaxe, a cinch with a drill. They can also create spiraling walkways along the walls of deep holes which is much more efficient and less resource intensive than a network of zip lines. Finally, the driller can potentially save a mining op by tunneling directly to the escape pod, especially if time is running short, the way back is unclear, or there simply isn’t time to go the long way around. @fresh root

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Besides his drill, his other weapons have their uses, the flamethrower is able to hit multiple enemies at once, doing damage over time, and even has an upgrade turning the flames into a floor hazard the glyphids need to go through to get to the group. His pistol is a pretty mediocre weapon, sure, but it is accurate enough to give him some range, and works well enough at picking off the weaker ranged enemies. And if he gets swarmed, his drills are a handy weapon that will chew through the weaker glyphids like a chainsaw would. His role is to provide a more efficient and quicker means of movement, and in combat his weapons allow him to take pressure off the other classes.

fresh root Mar 11, 2018, 5:10 AM

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you make a good argument, i haven't extensively played or seen the driller in action like i have with the other classes, but while he does have his uses and strengths i still feel he is the weakest of the 4 playable characters

hallow roost Mar 11, 2018, 5:38 AM

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That’s kind of by design, given the games focus on teamwork and solid utilizing of classes with strengths and weaknesses, it makes sense. Perhaps the driller isn’t the friendliest class for solo players but that’s because he simply is not meant for direct combat, but rather for assisting his team mates as they take on the main fight. Sure his drill isn’t as fancy as a grapple hook, zip line gun, or platform cannon, and maybe isn’t as quick a solution, but it provides a much more permanent and economical one. The platform gun creates some useful platforms in places where there aren’t any solid ground to stand on without some digging, but this consumes ammo, and in many cases works best in conjunction with the zip line or grapple hook. The zip line is the best for getting the whole team across large distances, usually over dangerous pitfalls, but this also has limited uses and has some restrictions over how for and how steep the line can be. The grapple hook is great for the scout with unlimited use, but it benefits only the scout, and doesn’t help much if there is nowhere for the scout to land. The drills allow the driller to create shortcuts that everyone can use, there is no limit to how or where the drill can be used, and as I’ve explained, can potentially save a mining run when it comes down to extracting quickly. Even though it uses fuel, it has much more time before ammo before fuel runs out than the other team tools

fresh root Mar 11, 2018, 5:47 AM

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yeah you've got a point.

ripe ledge Mar 11, 2018, 5:52 AM

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Bit wilder weapon upgrades

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Is all I want

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Give each class's guns some special spice

tidal loom Mar 11, 2018, 6:36 AM

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So i've been thinking, i've had people join my games just to press the escape pod button before we're ready, and now we can't kick those people after they've done that. Calling in the escape pod should require authorization from a majority of team mates to begin, that would put a damper on trolls calling in escape pods

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 6:42 AM

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Driller takes some imagination and practice, easy to waste fuel and get lost while drilling. Flamethrower with the new ammo is basically OP though, cant get more damage per ammo point out of it than any weapon, and detonation packs themselves can basically blow up armies

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 6:45 AM

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The question is: do we make our dwarves weaker, or do we just get some bigger challenges?

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 6:49 AM

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well new enemies will ofc come someday, that might need tweaking. I just think Driller needed more utility for the team

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 6:52 AM

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my biggest thing with the driller is that, even after all the upgrades, every other class gives the team meaningful support in terms of mobility.

The zipline gives easy access to far away places, and let's you zipcheese, the platforms let you make stairs, fill holes, make bridges, or get resources easier, and the scout lets you get out-of-the-weigh resources for free and easily

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The driller can... make staircases? Which takes a minute, and takes ammo, and is a bit dangerous

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mobility is quite important in this game; one of the reasons why I like the Gunner so much

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Minigun is super useful for killing, and Zipline is just generally important and high-impact all the time

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even without satchels or the revolver

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 6:58 AM

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if scout isnt available, much better to have driller make a tunnel to resources than engineer use 3-4 platforms for one, as an example

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drills are strong weapons too

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drills got 4 weapons

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plus how many times as a Driller i've had to rescue people...

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its so much easier to just drill to someone who is stuck or lost.

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Then we also get a shortcut between two points

pulsar flax Mar 11, 2018, 7:01 AM

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Ive felt super useful and needed when ive played driller with my friends so i honestly think he's good utilitywise

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:23 AM

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So. my first idea is simple in its core but maybe quite heavy to make in game (because of desctructible ground and so on):
LIQUIDS
Water, Acid, Lava and other liquids that can be dangerous or not. Depending on biome - its own liquid. Lava-lakes, acid-rivers and so on.
**What kind of gameplay experience does the suggestion / idea add to the game? **
Swimming. Threat of suffocating, melting in acid or burn your beard in lava. Flooding sometimes. (Just imagine: you dig nitra and dig your way right into the bottom of lava-lake. SURPRISE!)
**How does the suggestion / idea contribute to make the game better? **
It will make bioms visualy diverse, add chalenges for players to overcome wich not depend on those spiders (who, sadly, become quite boring after 7-8 hours of gameplay).
Also it means that dwarves need new equip for dealing with these obstacles, and maybe some classes can be all about it.

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Second idea is ENVIRONMENTAL THREATS.

So right now bioms are pretty similar. In order to make them different ET would be great help. So, what am I talking about is: GLOBAL conditions for the biom (or the part of it), wich makes it more chalenging to explore. Such as:
Radiation - insted of some random crystals make different areas wich are heavily contaminated. So player will search ways to avoid it, or go through it but in less time as possible. There are need something like dosimeter or something like that to identify wether you are in danger or not
Heat - high heat areas deal constant burning damage to those who are near them. Will work quite good with lava lakes and so on
Posionous atmosphere - hazard wich makes you to keep track of your oxygen and replenish it (maybe with some sort of ore or living biomass)
Constant earthquakes - thats really simple - constant earthquakes that makes it harder to move and shoot. Maybe something else.
and so on.
**What kind of gameplay experience does the suggestion / idea add to the game? **
Working not against the spiders but against the biome itself. More equipment to deal with those hazards. More teamplay in order to find your way through tought situations and so on.
**How does the suggestion / idea contribute to make the game better? **
It makes bioms more DIFFERENT from each other, makes players think what equipment and party composition they should take for this misssion and so on. It also should work quite good for overall map-expirience. It creates oportunities for devs to create more interesting equipment and maybe implement some new ores and consumables.

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I understand that its REALLY hard to implement but its something that I really want to see in this game

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:24 AM

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Be careful not to implement things that might not be fun, but instead tedious or frustrating.

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Radiation already kinda exists with the white crystals, though in much smaller areas.

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And poisonous atmosphere already exists in the Bog / Praetorians

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which is already a bit of a pain in the arse

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:25 AM

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And its do nothing

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Just damage

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Its really boring and you can deal with it with few swings of your pikeaxe

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:26 AM

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As it should be, really.

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:26 AM

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The point is: you have threat -> you have ways to DEAL with it

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:26 AM

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Especially on hazards 3/4, some of the stuff you are suggesting is just...

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a bit unplayable, almost

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entirely too frustrating, and can make some runs impossible without lots of luck

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:29 AM

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Dont think so. The main point again that you should have ways to go through it: poisonous gas -> reserve of oxygen, radiation -> methods for removal from the body, and so on. It's just in common, not something that should be EXACTLY like I said. Its mostly about overall concept

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Just damage its too... boring and simple, uninteresting.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:31 AM

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@fresh root just read ur post, gosh it was long

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:31 AM

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I think liquid is already basically out of the question. Cant even get terrain that falls 😛 let alone liquid

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:31 AM

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would u agree with the suggestion of taking ziplines off gunner and giving it to digger, then lets say give the gunner a deployable ammo resupply

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:32 AM

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Don't you dare make the gunner useless.

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Hissss.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:32 AM

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did u just infer being able to resupply your team with ammo is useless?

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:32 AM

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@oblique violet it goes against the concept that all existing classes have some kind of mobility measures

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@idle quartz don't think its impossible, I just understand that its hard to do

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:33 AM

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For one, having the mobility option on the Gunner is stupid important. Two, there's an entire mechanic based around ammo drops.

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Can't make it a "utility" for someone.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:33 AM

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@glacial condor its not about making it so each class has mobility, its about haveing a reason to pick 1 class over another

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take away diggers charges, give him a zipline, take zipline off gunner and give him something that is actully 'gunner' themed

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ammo resupply was just off top of my head

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gunner dosnt need ziplines to be good

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he melts pretorians and juggernauts

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:35 AM

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why do we keep calling him digger <<

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:35 AM

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You wish the Minigun melted dreadnoughts.

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Nothing does.

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:35 AM

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@oblique violet good luck in caves with a lor of vertical movement. Gunner would almost always die when moving to escape pod

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:35 AM

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As is correct and proper.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:36 AM

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gunner is ment to be the offence, not the mobility

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:36 AM

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Everyone has to be a jack of all traits to a point

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:36 AM

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So, if something can't be both mobile AND offensive...

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What should we take away from the scout?

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All his guns?

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The grapple?

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:36 AM

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@oblique violet it would be DEAD offence. Because then he cant escape from the pits and so on

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:36 AM

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scout needs his shotgun damage to pretorians nerfed

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:37 AM

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That's an awful idea.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:37 AM

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he can 3 shot a pretorian

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thats not balanced

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:37 AM

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It's already high-risk, high-skill, and puts yourself directly amidst a crowd of assholes and a poison cloud.

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:37 AM

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We don't want to be forced to take a four-man team each being a different class

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:37 AM

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gunner can 3 shot a pretroian 2 with his pistol, but he gets next to no ammo for it

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Is this guy playing the same game as us?

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Does he not play beyond hazard 1? What's going on here?

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:38 AM

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@near glacier yeap, but it works really good, you know?

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:38 AM

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ive played it longer then all of u....

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Then you should know that the ziplines are important for the gunner

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:38 AM

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no

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ziplines are important for the team

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not specificly the gunner

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:39 AM

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i wouldnt nerf scouts shotgun, the spread is so wide it sometimes doesnt 1shot a grunt at melee range. Revolver is what needs the buff, its got a damage capacity of like 1700~

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which is basically the lowest of any gun

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:39 AM

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I say BUFF ALL GLYPHIDS!

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:39 AM

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@oblique violet YES. Gunner without mobility is dead gunner. Think also about solo, 2-man games.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:39 AM

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@idle quartz id like the revolver jsut to have more ammo

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:40 AM

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@near glacier ...I kinda agree with that LOL

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:40 AM

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you can play whole maps without actually needing a zipline to traverse something though. In which case they're just burned on mining. Depends on a lot of stuff

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:40 AM

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^

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:41 AM

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He's just proved that gunner is highly offensive.

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:41 AM

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i always thought of gunner as a bodyguard

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:41 AM

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With an escape plan... Yeah I can see that

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:41 AM

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Gunner is good right now, don't touch something that is not broken

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:41 AM

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more revolver ammo sounds fair but should reload like a revolver, 1 bullet at a time

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:42 AM

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you should go play a game of haz 4 with a guy streaming on mixer where the viewers are calling in 3 pretorians every 5 mins and a juggernaut every 10 mins or so, u need 2 gunners for their dps, nothing else comes close

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:42 AM

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A gunner needs the ability to traverse well alone. The game is class-based, sure, but if your teammates (with their superior mobility options) don't give a shit about you, you're fucked.

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:42 AM

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Gunner is actually broke atm 🤔 his miniguns only got 1600 bullets now instead of 2400

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:42 AM

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Can't "guard" who ain't there.

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Plus, solo players shouldn't be fucked over by stuff like that.

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:42 AM

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@oblique violet there are options for streamers really?

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:42 AM

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Like vel was saying, don't fix what ain't broken.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:42 AM

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on mixex

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mixer

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:42 AM

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Let's face it. Solo playing isn't worth it right now

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:42 AM

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I think it is.

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Playing a solo h2 is relaxing, and still gives decent reward.

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I dig it.

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I also like to abuse bosco.

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The rascal.

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:43 AM

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hey i love solo 😦

boreal lintel Mar 11, 2018, 7:43 AM

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It is definitely quicker to complete a mining run solo, but also less fun.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:43 AM

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@glacial condor while watching on mixer, u get points, u can then use those points to cause things to happen ingame ranging from giving 80 nitra, spawn a loot bug, spawn 5 grunts, spawn 3 pratorians and spawn 1 jugg

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:43 AM

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There's literally no incentive to going alone. You get much less materials and credits, you have more trouble, and frankly engie is nigh impossible to solo with.

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:44 AM

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materials are the same

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:44 AM

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@oblique violet good thing that Im using twitch, lol

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:44 AM

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you get less credits ONLY in survival bonus

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:44 AM

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u can turn it off and on

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:44 AM

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A game shouldn't be balanced around something like mixer, btw.

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That's dumb.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:44 AM

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its not?

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i was pointing out that nothing in the game has t he dps of the gunner

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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That's like trying to balance Fortnite BR off the actions of stream snipers.

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Doesn't make sense.

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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...?

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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Engineer has the most dps i think 😛

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upgraded shotgun

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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^wrong

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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Engineer's damage is insane.

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Especially fully upgraded.

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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9 bullets^

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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Range is terrible

boreal lintel Mar 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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He is called the "gunner," maybe he should have a high dps?

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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well i said dps not range

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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I'd prefer if his weapons were weaker, but his turrets were stronger.

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:46 AM

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@earnest ore That I agree on

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:46 AM

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More ammo, more damage, faster rof, longer range, something something

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:46 AM

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@boreal lintel exactly my point, u should be picking gunner cos u want high dps/damage output, not cos he just so happens to hhave 1 of the best utility

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:46 AM

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Different styles of turrets

boreal lintel Mar 11, 2018, 7:46 AM

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Each of their utilities is important

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:46 AM

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i just dont like that four gunners basically have enough zplines to mine everything.

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and traverse terrain

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:47 AM

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^

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gunner is op in his abilty to be a jack of all trades

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:47 AM

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Lol could say the same with scouts and drillera

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:47 AM

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So the solution is remove zipline from gunner, and give it to someone else.

glacial condor Mar 11, 2018, 7:47 AM

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Guys the suggestion tread just became discussion, maybe we sould move somewhere else?

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:47 AM

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@Mako#7767 exactly what i suggested

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:47 AM

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I just don't like how four drillers basically have enough ziplines to mine everything, and traverse terrain.

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Oh, shit, same problem.

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:47 AM

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no its not though

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because one driller has enough fuel for all of that.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:47 AM

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drillers dont have the same dps

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:48 AM

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drillers have amazing dps

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:48 AM

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Ehhhj

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:48 AM

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not the same as gunner

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:48 AM

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flames + driller damage + sacthel

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all you ever need

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:48 AM

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sachel should only be on gunner

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:48 AM

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WoF is nice

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WHAT

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:48 AM

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i think satchel is definitely being changed

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:48 AM

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I wonder how they'd change it.

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:48 AM

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Nonono driller having the satchel makes sense.

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Both thematically and sensibly.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:49 AM

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i think i head that driller is definately having it removed, but idk what its being replaced with

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 7:49 AM

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Considering how driller has weapons that are either weak or need time to do their work, the satchel charge is a nice get out of jail free card for him

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:49 AM

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Maybe... wider blast radius, but only carry 1 or 2?

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carrying like, what

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4/5?

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kinda nutso

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:49 AM

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Oh god the TKing

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:49 AM

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LOL

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:49 AM

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ok let me ask this, what is drillers weakness?

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:50 AM

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satchel doesnt even clear terrain that well

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:50 AM

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Range

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Close range

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Praetorians really

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:50 AM

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If anything, it'd be Praetorians.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:50 AM

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in my opinion its his lack of burst damage, he has great damage over time, his pistol is really actulyl very good, he has great ammo use

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he has great mobility

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:51 AM

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I don't think range is an issue because very little things are strong enough to be a threat over long range.

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Maybe spitters, and that's all.

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:51 AM

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i think what kills me most as driller are the exploders. Gotta be in the thick setting everything on fire, usually a sploder gets tagged by an ally so you dont see it coming at you and you just walk into it in a horde

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hes weak vs Dreadnoughts.

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 7:51 AM

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Driller is great at medium and close range depending on what he's fighting. His long range just takes a great deal of shots to do anything worthwhile

idle quartz Mar 11, 2018, 7:51 AM

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they dont burn, got explosive resistance. I would easily prefer any of the other classes vs dreadnoughts.

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:51 AM

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eh, praetorian on steroids.

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Same shit, different boat.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:51 AM

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having a high burst damage on the driller from det packs dosnt make sence cos as mentioned, its a get out of jail free card

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 7:52 AM

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One that he needs

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:52 AM

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he dosnt need it

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its called play to your strenghts

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:52 AM

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Exactly everyone needs a small bit of freedom to survive on their own.

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 7:52 AM

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Besides, why wouldn't a guy whose job is earth removal have some sort of explosive charge?

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:52 AM

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drillers is tag and run

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:53 AM

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Dude. You're looking at it from the point of view that we need all four classes to play to their own strengths. Each class has intermingling skills with the others'.

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:53 AM

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My friend Bee suggested replacing the Driller Satchel with an Excavation Satchel. Does practically no damage, but absolutely decimates terrain. Kinda like the Mountain Mover from Pocket Tanks.

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Probably wouldn't be good or useful.

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But maybe fun.

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:54 AM

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Eh. It's something. It'd be nearly useless though, since we have the wide drills.

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 7:54 AM

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Give the driller a tank ;)

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:54 AM

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@near glacier i could argue that ur looking at it from the point that each class should have no defined weakness's

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:54 AM

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Useless, and easy to troll with.

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:55 AM

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Only use would be busting open a buried mineral/egg.

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 7:55 AM

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The big danger behind an excavation explosive would be areas where the floor is thin and you don't realize it

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Which happens a lot

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:l

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:56 AM

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If I were to seriously humor the "remove zipline from gunner" suggestion, I'd probably replace it with like... a jump pack. Something that, at the very least, gives him the mobility to keep up with the team in case they leave him behind (as in common, especially in non-VC matches).

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Would also let him re-position so his "absurd DPS" actually means something

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:57 AM

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Wha. Jump pack should go to a class all on its own, IMO

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:57 AM

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@Mako#7767 how are u getting left behind (unless the rest of ur squad is scouts)

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 7:58 AM

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Maybe have a jump pack as an interchangeable item that would take the place of something if it were added. Or be used for a special mission type

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:58 AM

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Yeah there's two ways to take the different ability route. There's the TF2 way and the Overwatch way

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 7:58 AM

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Maybe in extra large caverns?

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:58 AM

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Different tools or different classes

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:59 AM

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Unless everyone is totally on point and in-sync, people have a tendency to split up a bit, explore their own corners, and often move on without telling anyone.

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 7:59 AM

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Bring back green depths and give us jump packs for it?

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:59 AM

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It's easy for anyone to get left behind, but without mobility options, catching up becomes hell.

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 7:59 AM

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omg i want green depths

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 7:59 AM

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?

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 7:59 AM

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Also, I'm a total proponent of Sidegrades.

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No new classes; just ways to change the classes we already have.

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 7:59 AM

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Sidegrades are much better than upgrades

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 8:00 AM

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Not so much as upgrades. I was saying either different tools or new classes

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 8:00 AM

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Upgrades are dead ends, sidegrades allow for customization

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 8:00 AM

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It's hard to make balanced sidegrades though.

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 8:00 AM

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The Stock Loadouts should be the "jack of all trades, master of none," whereas the sidegrades are best for certain situations/maps/preferences.

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 8:01 AM

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@earnest ore So the TF2 route again?

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 8:01 AM

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TF2 does it in a way that the stock is 99% of the time the best loadout for competetive.

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Which I think is smart.

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...Crusader Crossbow notwithstanding.

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_>

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 8:01 AM

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Ahahaha

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Sandman

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 8:01 AM

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@oblique violet that's just competitive

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 8:01 AM

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Any melee weaps

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 8:02 AM

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You can use whatever you want elsewhere

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 8:02 AM

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I did mention competitive, yes.

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This is based off of my experience watching streams, listening to commentaries, etc.

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 8:02 AM

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Whot

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 8:02 AM

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Honestly, some of the most fun items to use in tf2 are the stupidest ones

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 8:03 AM

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The medigun though

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 8:03 AM

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Also they're usually the most satisfying to get a kill with

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 8:03 AM

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Bleh offtopic y'all

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 8:03 AM

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https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/45376878757128821/4BFF3F2014FE9A31041BA2D22AC0DC0710AEC1F7/

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 8:04 AM

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oh god it's an anger sniper

near glacier Mar 11, 2018, 8:04 AM

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Ugh. The danger shield?

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 8:04 AM

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to counter quickshotters so i can get a full power body shot

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 8:05 AM

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so I can get a full power bodyshot

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Lol

oblique violet Mar 11, 2018, 8:06 AM

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got a headshot counter just so i can count the body shots

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 8:06 AM

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Anyways, we're veering off topic at this point

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I could live with the tf2 talk as a suggestive comparison, but we went a bit beyond

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And no, let it lie where it is. Good suggestions tend to pop back up, and if anything, when someone mentions something close to it again, you can always use it for discussion then

earnest ore Mar 11, 2018, 8:23 AM

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Aaaaand it's dead.

lean haven Mar 11, 2018, 8:23 AM

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Yep, it happens

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Suggestions will be back alive in a few hours or so when people start waking up/getting some free time I imagine

still finch Mar 11, 2018, 12:34 PM

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I'll admit I'm stuck between either having more classes or giving current classes interchangeable weapons. I feel a survey is needed to see what the current (discord) player base feels would be better.

paper flame Mar 11, 2018, 12:37 PM

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what do you think about the driller if his drill can collect mineral and driller can carry more mineral like 45 / 50 from 40

still finch Mar 11, 2018, 12:40 PM

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I feel the driller and scout should be able to carry more minerals since they are the primary miners

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Let me shift the chat in a different direction for a while. If Molly could be upgraded and/or improved what would you suggest?

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Personally I would like to see a speed increase and a possible turret added.

paper flame Mar 11, 2018, 12:53 PM

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move speed increase for molly can be good

still finch Mar 11, 2018, 12:53 PM

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The targeting system should only mark environmental and Praetorian class or higher enemies. The smaller ones would be a waste and possible lag issues

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Perhaps an alternative targeting system could use ground radar to highlight ores/eggs/etc. hidden in the ground that might be overlooked.

paper flame Mar 11, 2018, 12:56 PM

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So, a slow area like the scout grenade?

still finch Mar 11, 2018, 12:56 PM

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That would be useful as a fall back point if the front line falls

paper flame Mar 11, 2018, 12:59 PM

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At end, we speak about support capacity with molly

still finch Mar 11, 2018, 1:00 PM

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I know it will never happen, but I would love a chair on Molly so at the end she can just carry me back to the drop pod.

paper flame Mar 11, 2018, 1:00 PM

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play driller then and dig 75m into the ground 😉

still finch Mar 11, 2018, 1:01 PM

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Considering how much Molly is already carrying at the end of the missions anyway she should be able to carry 4 dwarfs as well.

paper flame Mar 11, 2018, 1:03 PM

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or maybe she walk correctly on the ground and not on the roof or throw against wall