suggestions

[tulip basin]

Well, why would they retract the droppod before recovering the primary objective?

There are only soo many resources int he caves and they cannot expect mining teams to last indefenatley on their own

[idle quartz]

spawns away from the players/molly

[tulip basin]

Why would they retract the pod before recovering molly if that means they loose the whole reason to be there to behin with

[idle quartz]

^if they make it so the players gotta open the door for molly and it seems like the players are all dying/dead then they may as well pull out so they got the pod ready for a team that might be doing better

[tulip basin]

yet if the team is still alive?

we have a HUD showing telemetry of the other miners

therefore would it not be reasonable to assume that telem data is being transmitted back to base?

we can request supply pods at arbitry coordinates at will, so communication is not a problem

its not reasonable to assume that miners running late are dead/dying when their telemetry says otherwise

though of course i must admit as a gameplay element the timer sure is effective

[scarlet lynx]

Has anyone put forward the idea of having an alternative fire mode to the drill to allow for faster mining or more causing a higher ore count to drop. The drawbacks of that secondary fire could be increased fuel consumption.

I did earlier but, since things have wound down I feel its a good time to bring that up once more.

[pine path]

there should be an upgrade to the drill that makes it able to mine ores

[scarlet lynx]

The drill only works on rock and cant go through the layers of Morkite, Nitra or Gold like a pickaxe can. Also, perhaps an increase when it comes to inventory holding count on the Driller since that is he speciality

[pine path]

but not necessarily increase its yield

and maybe make it a lvl 10 upgrade

[scarlet lynx]

Yeah, I agree with a higher level upgrade

[pine path]

i know the scout has a lvl 5 upgrade to his assault rifle which penetrates armor

[tulip basin]

mine faster/larger AoA but destroys ores, with the default being slow mining but can harvest ores?

[scarlet lynx]

But, mining nodes by itself should be alright.

[tulip basin]

Perhaps an alternate drill

thats more effective at mining ores but awful at stone

[pine path]

or it doesn't even need a downside

[scarlet lynx]

Just an upgrade

[pine path]

all you need to do is reach lvl 10

[scarlet lynx]

Like Diamond Drill heads

[tulip basin]

Methinks it does, otherwise it gets broken

[pine path]

nah it'll actually encourage people to play

[scarlet lynx]

Who knows, there may be many types of drills in the who game

[tulip basin]

'we don't want a lvl 1 digger, his drill is shite! kick`

[pine path]

it's not a sunken cost fallacy or anything

and no that's not gonna happen frequently

[tulip basin]

it would promote specialization and discurrage experimentation

[pine path]

have you seen anyone get kicked for not having an engy with fully upgraded turrets?

[tulip basin]

you can't even tell

because the upgrades are of next to no verticality

[scarlet lynx]

But, I feel baseline the drill should be able to mine ore. Perhaps decrease efficency like a drill bit hitten a hard surface would normally. Instead of draining fuel faster it could just overheat the drill

[tulip basin]

heck, how would you tell unless the engi told you the turrets were base?

[pine path]

by looking at the ammo count

regardless, this seems like a significant mechanic

[tulip basin]

most the time i played we rarely stayed in the same area for increased ammo to be of any use :/

[pine path]

which brings up another suggestion: make it a default

[tulip basin]

I agree that things need vertical progression, im just considering the ramifications of verticality

If we make things that require a ranked {class}, then groups that are min/maxing would be discourraged from taking on low-ranked members

Assuming those things are of clear advantage to have

Like the scouts Armour-penentrating rounds don't seem to do much during that last alpha, but that may have just been me
if they had life-or-death consequences for the team then low-ranked scouts would be kicked in favor of high-ranked ones.

or at least thats what i predict

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pine path]

what are the benefits of armor-penetrating rounds

are we talking about the shells of praetorians and dreadnaughts, the dreadnaught's shield, bodyshots, etc

[idle quartz]

the upgrade? no, thats just a description. All they do is increase damage.

@scarlet lynx

i want secondary fire but it hink we're stuck with pickaxe on rmb... but i think driller should just lose the pickaxe entirely.

and change rmb to a drill punch that functions the same.

[scarlet lynx]

Yeah

[idle quartz]

0 fuel cost ofc

[scarlet lynx]

Thats what I was suggesting. But without removal of the pick axe. Makes sense since the key is bound.

[idle quartz]

its weird cuz those are BIG drill arms, like they've gotta be attached to the suit

and he just swaps them off and on x3

[scarlet lynx]

Exactly

The Drills do wonders against Praetorians

The Flamethrower was a huge gift, I would have been happy with just the drills lol

[elder pawn]

I'd love some alt weapons à la TF2 so it's more about customizing your playstyle and finding new fun stuff to do instead of a boring power progression

Would make it easier to balance difficulties too

[hollow breach]

You mentioning tf2 while my brain is still onto this game made me think of the good days of playing MvM

[elder pawn]

Yas

Medic class with shields when

[hollow breach]

Being able to mix n' match a loadout isn't too bad of an idea

But how would upgrading weapons and equipment hold up if you can swap it out?

[elder pawn]

I mean, if players can have 30 armor and 10 damage or 50 armor, gas resistance, 20 damage, extra ammo and better flares how do you even know how to balance difficulties?

It's more of a "select the right option for your level of levelling grind done" than a difficulty choice

Upgrades can be done away with tbh

[hollow breach]

I just thought of the most horrible but perfect april fools event. A temp difficulty that makes dreads spawn as frequent as swarmers

[elder pawn]

RIP FPS

I love it

[brisk blaze]

oh noh

[elder pawn]

Level dwarves to unlock alt equipment >>> Spend credits for straight upgrades

Hazard 5 was ez with max upgraded armor and a few other tidbits

[hollow breach]

For balance, decrease weapon upgrade costs but have a higher cost on "new" weapons

[elder pawn]

It's not ok if you can beat the hardest difficulty day 1

[hollow breach]

maxed armor and some level of coordination and you'd be fine on haz 5

[elder pawn]

It's... way too easy because of the upgrades

I'd remove them entirely
Just makes new players feel bad

And balancing issue

[hollow breach]

The thing is though, taking any sustained damage is where you fall. Shields recharge so slow so (Atleast for me) you keep thinking you have enough but then you're on 10 health like "dafuq"

[elder pawn]

Well that's just a thing that requires "gitting gud"
You can take no fall damage at all if you're careful

I felt I only took it when messing up myself and slipping

[light parcel]

Why are people into the idea of basically adding a Mercy into DRG?

[elder pawn]

Ew

[light parcel]

Ew indeed

[elder pawn]

I was thinking ubercharges and shields

A healer would definetly not work because healing is balanced enough with supplies/red sugar

I need my support class, damnit!

[hollow breach]

Well this isn't really the game to have a support class in specific

Since almost everyone is dependent on everyone

[elder pawn]

Someone who could plug holes and snare bugs hmm

That kind of support

[hollow breach]

Crowd Controller?

[severe dock]

Engineer having some kind of goop trap instead of sentries?

In terms of CC

As an alt item

[light parcel]

snare?

Why would you trap them?

[severe dock]

I'd rather kill them

Personally

[hollow breach]

I guess trap as in hinder their movement

[elder pawn]

Lemme explain how I see it might take a while

[light parcel]

We have shotguns, Grenade Launchers, Assault rifles, flamethrowers, Gatling guns, grenades and Detonation packs. So why would you ever want to trap them when you can kill them?

[hollow breach]

Cya after release then PH!

Because you're last man standing against a swarm and two dreads :V

[severe dock]

The reason I think you'd want to slow them down, is to group them up. So your AOE attacks are more effective and useful considering less ammo used to kill x amount

In terms of reasoning

[light parcel]

Oh. I forgot the resupply pod. Best weapon in game

[severe dock]

Haha

[idle quartz]

^platform gun with sticky surface, shoot on ground, bugs stuck if they crawl over it

[hollow breach]

Sounds like an upgrade to me 😛

[light parcel]

Really. When someone is ded that is the best bait for dreads. And then finish them off with a resupply pod

[severe dock]

When in doubt, resupply pod as a weapon

[light parcel]

Goo gun: makes the enemies significantly slower

[hollow breach]

Upgade: Glue gun. Stops movement

[light parcel]

Banana gun: let's them slip over the floor 10m in one direction

[hollow breach]

See a dread launching 10m off to the side

[severe dock]

I think I'd appreciate having to choose between platforms and a goo gun, purely for playstyle variance and team coordination. Utility is really interesting

Have the goo be flamable by flame throwers

Lots of synergetic options

[wide prawn]

I feel like the ammount of slow done should depend on the size of the bug.

[light parcel]

Last weapon: a stone from the floor

[elder pawn]

The main objectives/roles are killing bugs and mining.

• Gunner has his good weapons that help clear bugs fast, so his main role is damage. He has a secondary mining role with his zip lines.
• Driller has his AMAZING flamethrower which is great for damage. He has a secondary support role with his drills (making paths) which doubles as a mining role too.
• Scout has his grappling hook, making mining hard to reach nodes his main role, and decent weapons for a secondary damage role. His flares are a little support-y.
• Engineer has his great grenade launcher and turrets for damage, as well as his decent shotgun. The turrets take pressure off the team to help mining too.

[wide prawn]

A crossover from Rusts handrock?

[elder pawn]

The only real support is Scout's flares

[severe dock]

Instead of grenades, throw rocks on cooldown

[amber finch]

Throw rocks that recharge as you mine

[elder pawn]

I was thinking something to plug holes so bugs have less places to crawl out from, snares to group them up, sonic blasts to make them run (like those whistles for dogs but on steroids), etc.

[wide prawn]

Pummel the dread to death with rocks

[elder pawn]

@hollow breach There's actually a game that features a character with a hot glue gun as a weapon

[light parcel]

Stick Fight:The game?

[elder pawn]

Oh, I have that on wishlist, but haven't played

[light parcel]

Great game

[hollow breach]

What's the game? 😛

[light parcel]

A lot of fun. Best for lan parties

[hollow breach]

Well it is a party game

[wide prawn]

Like Gang Beasts?

[hollow breach]

Pretty much yea

[light parcel]

Jeah

[wide prawn]

I dig it

[hollow breach]

Bit of a couch co-op. But against eachother

[elder pawn]

@hollow breach https://youtu.be/17SX8IAO6gs

[hollow breach]

Never played it

[light parcel]

But from the same guys which made Cluster Truck and Totally Accurate Battle Simulator

[elder pawn]

So yeah when I think support I think fun miscellaneous aids that make the team's life easier, not a boring heal/buff bot

[wide prawn]

Lol, Block n' load?

[elder pawn]

Healers are unoriginal, bad supports

[idle quartz]

is that game still alive ph?

[elder pawn]

Yeah kind of

Should be better off since development resumed just now

[amber finch]

I still see videos of it being uploaded, and some streamers streaming it

[elder pawn]

Mildly hyped for that december update

[amber finch]

I just need people to play it with

[elder pawn]

Hi I still play

[amber finch]

Could possibly play some, but now we're starting to get off topic

[elder pawn]

One of the reasons I got excites for DRG was because "hey it's like BnL"

Yeah this is suggestions

[wide prawn]

Alright what about this :o

Engieneer calls down his sentry guns like supply pods 👌🏻

[elder pawn]

So, how about my wall of text from earlier on roles

How about this
All guns replaced by drop pods

[amber finch]

That call down system used to be in the game, for all classes at the cost of gold

[elder pawn]

Skill based gameplay

[wide prawn]

So like, every class gets their own unique calldown?

[amber finch]

We used to be able to call down a sentry gun and floodlight for gold in the closed alpha

[light parcel]

Jeah. That was v5. Now in v6 it is off

[wide prawn]

Engie has sentrys.
Gunner would be ammo/health.
Scout could be the spotlights.
and driller could just call in a giant drill that goes down or some shit.

Idk

[light parcel]

I miss my Floodlights and Fractured Cavety

[wide prawn]

When can I call in a Jukebox?

[light parcel]

Soon™

[wide prawn]

Defending off a swarm while listening to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X9LvC9WkkQ

[elder pawn]

Calling down a jukebox should be a game feature

[wide prawn]

^

[elder pawn]

blending the dancing animation with shooting animation

[wide prawn]

It costs gold instead of Nitra

[elder pawn]

Seems like can be done since the V "cheer" action can happen at the same time as the dance one

[hollow breach]

Call down barrels to cover the caves in mayhem

[wide prawn]

100 gold for a Jukebox drop, it comes already playing music

[elder pawn]

cossack dancing and flamethrowering bugs

Imagine the steam reviews

[wide prawn]

"Hey did you call that supply drop were all running out of ammo?!" muffled music comes from the ceiling

[elder pawn]

LMAO

I was about to write something similar

It gets louder and louder until it comes crashing from the ceiling

[wide prawn]

everyone dies listening to funky jazz

[elder pawn]

IRL and in game

literal rofl

[wide prawn]

For an extra 25 gold you can call down a speaker w/ subwoofer

[idle quartz]

yes please. call down jukebox. Command guy be like "uhh...okay.... i guess?"

[hollow breach]

And for 20 gold each you can do song requests

[elder pawn]

Imagine the steam reviews tho
"Was clearing waves of alien spiders with my flamethrower while cossack dancing/irish dancing to Mozart's funky tunes, GOTY right here"

Speaker with subwoofer YES

[idle quartz]

ofc this conflicts with the "put a jukebox on molly" request =/

[wide prawn]

"Umm sure... ah.. this is an odd request... coming right away."

[elder pawn]

I want to be dwarf McGuyver and blast the bugs away with music

[hollow breach]

make a Molly jukebox

[elder pawn]

literally blast Initial D down a cave and watch bugs fly away

[hollow breach]

A smaller and different colored version of a MULE that plays music

[wide prawn]

Or even better, if molly is next to the Jukebox she will dance too.

🤔

[elder pawn]

and the smaller ones just explode from the pressure

[amber finch]

I was about to say "why not put a juke box on Molly"

[elder pawn]

Molly tells jokes every time you deposit minerals

joke box

[amber finch]

Yes

Spelling mistakes make good suggestions xD

[wide prawn]

It has to be digging puns

[elder pawn]

upgradeable Molly to add joke box, jukebox, dancing AI, bug kicking AI, etc

[severe dock]

I can dig the prospect 🤔

[elder pawn]

I dig that idea

[idle quartz]

i think a drop pod jukebox is the most reasonable thing :p a simple gag.

[amber finch]

Forget the improved AI, Molly needs to play music, dance and tell jokes

[wide prawn]

I like the drop pod jukebox the best.

[elder pawn]

^^^^

Kill a dreadnought with a motherfucking jukebox

[wide prawn]

"were out of ammo! were screwed!" a jukebox comes from the ceiling at 100mph blasting Hungarian Dance No. 5 killing the Dreadnaught instantly

[hollow breach]

Specificly the 5th one

[amber finch]

Any other one and the juke box will simply bounce off of it and smash

[elder pawn]

LOL

[hollow breach]

an RNG "skillshot" instakill

[amber finch]

"360 juke box no scope"

I think that works, right?

[hollow breach]

Sure

[elder pawn]

0.1% chance it blasts eurobeat and for some reason comes from the side instead of the ceiling

[wide prawn]

Lol

[elder pawn]

Just goes past the drop spot and keeos going into the distsnce

And it gets quieter and quieter

[wide prawn]

Never stops

[elder pawn]

Yes

[hollow breach]

Well when you're running in the 90's it's hard to stop

[wide prawn]

After like 20 minutes command contacts you saying an unknown object is heading for the core of the planet and you have to evacuate immediately

I'd love if you could put your own music on the jukebox.

Kill swarms of bugs to things like Smash Mouth

[hollow breach]

Any song incluiding fire

[elder pawn]

Lol yes
Jukebox, destroyer of worlds

Thst could be a mission in of itself

[amber finch]

We're giving the Devs gold here

[wide prawn]

being overrun by the swarm. meanwhile all you hear is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIddcay9y6Q

[amber finch]

I know what I'm doing in the closed alpha when I get home

[wide prawn]

Lol

[elder pawn]

Some dumb team wanted music in their mining operation
They smuggled a jukebox
Batteries were an issue
They brought nuclear stuff
Jukebox overloaded and is about to cause a huge explosion that will collapse most cave systems on the planet rendering them un-mineable and cause immense losses for the company

They have no idea where it is, you just have to find it by the music it blasts

With a time limit

[amber finch]

Oh damn

[elder pawn]

And when you find it it's so loud you alnost go deaf

screen shake etc.

[hollow breach]

same effects as when you have a grenade explode next to you

[elder pawn]

big final wave, defuse the nuclear battery, escape

[wide prawn]

I cant stop smiling becuase I just thought of this.
Imagine the escape pod is here and all you can hear is this playing on you Jukebox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIgZ7gMze7A

[amber finch]

This mission idea actually sounds crazy enough to work

[wide prawn]

You have no idea where the radio is in the caves besides muffled music playing that gets louder as you get closer to its location

[hollow breach]

Have it a bit more fleshed out, make "lore" for it to make sense and I can see it working in game

The few people with mono audio will never succeed with this mission

[light parcel]

Hahaaaa! I have a 7.1 headset

[hollow breach]

same tbh honest

[light parcel]

To be honest honest???

[wide prawn]

"Where the fuck is the radio we have been here for over 30 minutes!?" continuous careless whisper plays throughout the cave system

[elder pawn]

double honest

[hollow breach]

Well yea, smh my head

[elder pawn]

honest^2

[wide prawn]

honest x2

[elder pawn]

honest x10^2

[light parcel]

Mu-mu-multi Honest!!!!

[elder pawn]

ULTRAAAAA HONEEEEEEESSTT

[wide prawn]

H O N E S T S P R E E !

[elder pawn]

@wide prawn the jukebox would've exploded by then

[wide prawn]

Well atleast you went out listening to some sweet jams

[elder pawn]

yes

[wide prawn]

Alright I though of this while walking to the kitchen..
If I shout "Rock and Stone!" next to Molly I wanna hear her repeat it back to me with a shitty recorded audio clip

"Rock and Stone!" record scratch, rewind noise Then she plays my recorded voice back at me.

[rich pollen]

or a bleep bleep bloop that sounds like it tries to say it

[brave turtle]

that'd be fun

[rich pollen]

like this: when standing right in front of molly the distance that you have to be to deposit minerals and yell rock and stone it goes rock and stone molly instead, and it will bleep bleep bloop as an answer

I would talk to molly on every deposit if the blleping sound s cute or awsome enough

[wide prawn]

^ agreed

[light parcel]

I am actually not too much of a fan of this 'giving Molly more personality' thing

[hollow breach]

She's a robot. A robot equivalent of an actual mule

Player experience: Yes I could see how it would be nice

[wide prawn]

You can train a mule 😉

[hollow breach]

Story: No. Not a bit

[wide prawn]

I'm for it

I just don't want it to go overboard

Responding to your shouts with some short "beep boop" whatever

But if it got to the point where it was talking to you, I don't want that

I want her responses to somewhat similar to what you'd expect from WALL-E

[severe dock]

I think the idea it’s a minecart on legs it’s not something you’re supposed to empathize with. Shouty hardened space dwarves don’t seem like the type to program companion cubes

[wide prawn]

Yeah

[severe dock]

Especially the tone of the vocal lines like calling it a tin can or being generally aware it’s an object not a person

[wide prawn]

I get that

Either way I'm fine with whatever comes of it, I just don't want it to get to the point where it litterally has AI and is talking to the dwarves.

[severe dock]

For sure, that’d be a bit much

[hollow breach]

Plot twist: There's a second person in the command center called Molly

[wide prawn]

Oh shit

Theres actually a dwarf inside of it controling it like a walker.

[hollow breach]

Remote controlling it from HQ

The way the Mule controlled by Molly communicates is the same way as Curiosity plays happy birthday to itself

[wide prawn]

^

Perfect

[hollow breach]

This is just me being stupid about it. Don't mean anything serious

[wide prawn]

You may be being stupid, but I like it

The Curiosity part that is

[lean haven]

We need a kicking noise and a foot animation when we kick the barrels. As it stands they just kind of unsatisfyingly silently fly up and crash down

Maybe give a duke nukem homage and make your own deep rock mighty foot

Voice line and animation suggestion for each class: "You can't make me dance with you!" Along with a head shaking animation

Medibay suggestion: have it act as an alternate hub spawn only used when a mission is failed, making all players wake up in there instead of their individual rooms

[elder pawn]

But you die

You don't get healed back to working condition, you're left for dead and new dwarves are put in your place

[wide prawn]

I was thinking if in the future if there was a way to kill yourself in the spacerig (jumping into the engine on the pod, expelling yourself from a airlock etc..) you'd respawn in the medbay

[dense lantern]

Id love to see bugs spawn in holes and crawl out of them

like the 3rd matrix, the swarms came from a large hole

[wide prawn]

Possibly destory the holes to stop spawning?

[dense lantern]

nah

just so you might know where they crwal from

me and my bois once got a swarm warning while being in a deeeeep pit

so we set up defenses to shoot them while they crawl down

little did we know they just spawned right on the walls near the bottom where we were

would have been such a sight to see them swarm down

[wide prawn]

Yeah

So basically just having an area where you know they'll come from?

[dense lantern]

more like just holes in walles where they might spawn from

• immersion

and a bit of strategy

[wide prawn]

I feel it

Not garenteed but more of a "watch out bugs can spawn here"

[neat imp]

What about mroe options for primaries and secondaries for all of the classes? Aka minigun and flamethrower for Gunner

[dense lantern]

yea, i also had plenty of other weapons in mind

instead of detonators a heavy armor piercing "anti-tank" gun on shoulder

[narrow river]

I'd like to suggest more types of turrets, rather than just "turret". Could be an MG turret (like the one now), a flamethrower turret, grenade/rocket turret, or even a turret that just shoots flares.

Heck even a remote-controlled turret would be cool.

Then you could do an upgrade that lets you control and move it around, but when you release control it stays where you left it and still shoots stuff like a normal turret. Would be awesome if it could even climb on walls and stuff.

[dense lantern]

i wonder you can build a turret in Molly

[lean haven]

bring back the old barrels

[wide prawn]

@Yantzee#2808 I mentioned that idea for gunner having the flamethrower and other shit in #drg-chat

Gunner should have all the heavy weapons

I don't feel like the flamethrower really fits the Digger

[lean haven]

the gunner should be more of a damage dealer, which is why more explosive ordinances should be applied to his class

as for the driller having the flamethrower, it suits his purpose very well

[wide prawn]

I think the grenade launcher and other explosives fit the digger most

[lean haven]

he shapes the battlefield with his drills and digging speed buff, something the flamethrower is adept at

[wide prawn]

Blowing through rock and stone is fits him more then burning

[lean haven]

what with the sticky flames upgrade

he's currently got a detonation pack which fits him fine, but all of his other weapons are either weak or slow hitting, so the flamethrower gives him some coverage as well

and even with a reload upgrade the grenade launcher is still a bit slow

[wide prawn]

I feel like the gunner is a suppression/support class which is why I feel the minigun or flamethrower fit him most

Engineer feels most like the damage dealer currently

[lean haven]

I think engineer more excels in damage in planned encounters, while gunner can deal more at any time

[wide prawn]

🤔

[elder pawn]

I think the digger is the best damage dealer since flamethrower needs a small puff to kill an entire swarm and melts the armored bugs in record time not giving a crap about the armor

Also he has a dig speed buff?
Like, on RMB digging?

[lean haven]

with the purchased upgrade for it, yeah

driller can break rock in 2 hits instead of 3

[wide prawn]

Thats why I think the flamethrower should be for the gunner

[lean haven]

but as a result he deals less pickaxe damage since he never gets the buff like the other classes do

[elder pawn]

I felt the guns were all fine tbh

I'd rather dig faster than deal more damage

the damage upgrade for the pickaxe felt like a waste

[wide prawn]

^

I rarely used the pickaxe to kill

[lean haven]

you can really feel the pickaxe difference after playing driller for a while

[wide prawn]

80% of the time something got killed by my pickaxe its because it got in the way of my digging

[lean haven]

At least I can as a melee mad driller main

I still want my melee class

[elder pawn]

Dwarven war hammer

since it's space age give it thrusters

[narrow river]

Pickaxe damage buff was actually pretty sweet though. Along the lines of 2x, actually making it a somewhat viable weapon.

[elder pawn]

Like a well known videogame character

Fortnite's female engineer

[lean haven]

thrusters makes me think of warmaster seerus' rocket hammer from the spiral knights dlc

[wide prawn]

For me this is how I feel like the classes are.

Scout = Quick / Support
Engineer = Damage dealer
Gunner = Suppression / Support
Driller = Terrain specialist

That's why I feel the flamethrower should be moved to the gunner as a second primary, the grenade launcher should be moved to the digger, the zip line should be moved to the engineer, and the platform gun should be moved to the scout.

That would make Gunner more of a damage dealer then a support, and the Engineer more of a support then just a damage dealer.
Giving the Driller the grenade launcher makes sense to me as sort of a "digging and demolitions expert" as he drills through stone he can also blow through it.
Giving Scout the platform gun makes him more helpful to his team, along with more usefulness for his grappling hook, allowing him to shoot out a platform and grapple up to it.

[elder pawn]

Grenade launcher is not good at demolition, that's what the detonation pack is for

and even then it's kinda meh

[wide prawn]

I get that, but I just feel like it's a good fit

[elder pawn]

I feel it's not
Fits engineer more IMO

[delicate patrol]

I love the discussion but I think there should be a channel for that other than the suggestions channel D: because so much was written here, I feel like this area should be more direct to help the devs to read it

[lean haven]

That's why they tried setting up the trello board for suggestions

To filter things easier

[delicate patrol]

I went there to take a look but it was almost empty

[lean haven]

That's because people haven't really wanted to use it. But it was made for that purpose

[summer field]

I could see a 5th dwarf specialized in explosives with more grenades, mines and shaped charges (dig a dwarf shaped tunnel in one explosion) as a sort of hybrid gunner/driller class?

I thought the Trello board was locked down so ideas here got filtered for duplicates &c and added to the board by Mads?

[delicate patrol]

Poor Mads will have a shitload of stuff to read through D:

I think there are too many repeated explosive guns, like Engineer has grenade launcher, but also throws grenades. Maybe exchange it for a rocket launcher? And both driller and gunner have the same mine type, change one of them to proximity mine would make it more interesting at least for me.

[lean haven]

Driller needs explosive det packs, gunner can have napalm packs

Or vice versa

[summer field]

I want napalm for the driller, taking advantage of the armor flame resistance and gives the team a deployable persistent hazard for funnelling enemies 😄

[delicate patrol]

I liked that idea where a support class would have some explosive that can slow down swarms or maybe stun them for a second

[light parcel]

Give me Napalm !!!!

[lean haven]

Flashbangs

[light parcel]

Flashbacks

[lean haven]

Just make it a grenade upgrade for a class

[delicate patrol]

Flashbang > empty clip > roll

[summer field]

Concussion grenades that can push them back and daze them/knock them off ceilings?

[delicate patrol]

Each class could have a different effect for grenade upgrade

[lean haven]

No need for another class to have explosives specifically what with everyone else having them

[delicate patrol]

That is true

[lean haven]

I wanted something along the lines of tf2's cannon for demoman

[summer field]

mission loadouts would be nice so you could pick on a per-mission basis if you want X grenade type

[lean haven]

Lots of knockback

And I still feel like they could implement a monster Hunter style buff system where you can spend credits before each round in the abyss bar for a buff in match

Even have downsides attached to them to make people think twice

[light parcel]

First make the abyss bar ;-)

[wide prawn]

First make the Armor Station :o

[lean haven]

First make the Molly's solid

[light parcel]

*again

They were at start...

[delicate patrol]

I had fun riding molly a few times

[lean haven]

Riding Molly and having your teammates drag you around the map is a lot of fun

[delicate patrol]

unless molly decides to go up the ceiling

[wide prawn]

I always thought it was cool when you called down a supply pod and later on molly would climb up the hole the pod made coming down and get right into the escape room

[lean haven]

Sometimes we wish she wouldn't go up the hole

Especially now that they changed the terrain to have you slide off of it

Used to be the holes left behind by the supply drops were jagged enough you could grapple your way up the hole as a scout and stand on the walls as you waited for the hook to recharge

[wide prawn]

The first time it happened to me I was following her trying to get back and was like "where the fuck are you going?"

We need a bug even stronger then the dreadnought >:)

[lean haven]

I mean, the dreadnaught is considered a mimiboss

So there should be bigger/stronger enemies coming

[delicate patrol]

I want a massive deadnaught

Like those old style games where you need to kill each part separately

In order to kill the whole boss

[wide prawn]

The curret dreadnought is just a baby

[normal cradle]

there will be more bots yay

[delicate patrol]

I can imagine a boss as big as a planet

And a game mode where you need to kill it because it is keeping the company from digging there

[normal cradle]

i mean stzarbounds final boss the ruin

is as large as a planet

and the person that fought it before you was called teh cultivaror and was twice as big

[delicate patrol]

Mhm I love those type of challenges

[normal cradle]

XD

[delicate patrol]

I didn't fight it yet

[normal cradle]

the reason you are able to kill ruin tho is because you sneak into it's core and kill it's heart

while the cultivator was so big and coudn't

[delicate patrol]

Perks of being small

[normal cradle]

yep

btw did you know that it is implied that novakid are teh fragments of the cultivator?

i assume you play starbound

[delicate patrol]

I do, but I didn't know that, awesome theory

[normal cradle]

i mean it is implied by the devs

when you are a novakid and inspect a shard of an anchient mural (something you'll find in a vault (post ruin)) you character says that he thinks he saw something like it before

[delicate patrol]

I'm usually a monkey :p

[normal cradle]

apex?

yeah

the only reason you look like a monkey is because teh apex artifgact is the genesis coil

anyway back to non suggestive chats

[delicate patrol]

I think I'll go over this chat later and do a list of posted suggestions and send it to Mads, I have enough free time :p

[wide prawn]

Make sure to get all of mine in excruciating detail. @delicate patrol

[bright flower]

i hope there will be more map types

i kind off want maps where mining is more off a thing

not just get morkat

[near glacier]

Being able to upgrade the headlamp

With a brigther light, minimap and motion dectoror

[craggy apex]

I'm not sure how to best implicate this but, a separate currency that is only used for consumables in missions, like little bonuses, but have no real penalty on your actual character. Maybe it should be all the same but having the ability to gain an edge on harder difficulties by spending credits could be a cool concept for extra money

(outside of upgrades, sorry)

[severe dock]

I feel that's the concept of having different types of supply/utility drops using gold/nitra

Like a big spotlight, or a big turret, or simply supplies. Kind of give you support via resources

[pine path]

there used to be a floodlight and autoturret

not sure if it was removed for the open alpha or indefinitely until further notice

[delicate patrol]

What is the difference between turret and autoturret?

[pine path]

dunno, didn't play closed alpha

[delicate patrol]

Also, I love the voice acting and I know that it's a single guy with different pitching, but wouldn't it be more interesting if the dwarves had unique lines and different voice actors? Something only that class say? To give them more individuality?

[idle quartz]

Calldown turret was much stronger.

@delicate patrol its being discussed, if we end up with character locking then hopefully we'll see a lot more individuality

[delicate patrol]

Like the ones at motherlode?

If I was a guy I'd be dying to voice one of them

I know it would instantly grow me a glorious beard

[idle quartz]

yeah exactly like those

do you have a voice recording studio danniela? maybe they'll add a female dwarf

[delicate patrol]

I barely have a computer sir, but I can always help with place holding. I do hope female dwarves can have beards too :9

Tolkien's dwarves do

[solid dune]

i hope they add a female voice and i am defintely available to help out with that if needed ;P

[delicate patrol]

Also my accent is too strong I can't imagine a Brazilian dwarf :9 but this game is just awesome, I do want to help with everything I can

[idle quartz]

molly has a female voice

female donkey

[solid dune]

😮 she... has a voice?...

[delicate patrol]

Molly is everything I want to be someday

[solid dune]

bleep bloop?

[idle quartz]

i think MOLLY's voice is donkey sounds that have been sped up or something

[delicate patrol]

Awesome

[solid dune]

hahaha, ahhh i see

[idle quartz]

easy way to make robot noises, just take any animal voice recording and play with it

[delicate patrol]

There could be this kind of information somewhere

Oh wait

[idle quartz]

i mean if its true, i might be missing a step but it also might be why they sometimes refer to her as donkey

[delicate patrol]

Well might be because donkeys are historically load carriers

[idle quartz]

yeah true too

i hope we see some of Lawliets stuff put in the game, posters you can collect to put in your room..

[delicate patrol]

I can't wait to see the lore behind the game

That's an amazing idea

I love customization, like maybe wall painting and symbols for company divisions or just factions created by players

[normal cradle]

we need more robots

and the next one to come is a singelplayer bot

[idle quartz]

in your drreeaaaaaams

mega-molly has better things to do than babysit

[solid dune]

we need a molly emoji, and more DRG emojis besides these 4

[delicate patrol]

I wish there was a way to translate "rock and stone" into emoji

[normal cradle]

like this syringe

💉

[delicate patrol]

Unless you're at the base

[normal cradle]

yeah

then you aren't holding a pickaxe

[delicate patrol]

I wish we cos pick the music at the jukebox

Could*

[normal cradle]

yeah

btw you like my rig description?

i think it's rigged

lol

puns

[delicate patrol]

Omg you didn't aaaaa <dies>

[normal cradle]

dammit

adds lethal puns to character description

[lapis salmon]

my friend's suggestion is an AOE healer

as a new character i guess

[pine path]

there was a previous suggestion that mentioned a scientist

a new support class

[hollow breach]

It's probably hidden behind 1-2 actual suggestions and then 200 "suggestions"

[near glacier]

Suggestion: Space Goblins.

[hollow breach]

A rival company to Deep Rock

[near glacier]

Yes.

Oh and maybe able to customize your dwarf with a new loadout of suit/vanity items with the gold you collect as well as other ores? Able to smith some gear with excess materials?

[hollow breach]

There is something like that in development I think

[near glacier]

I think with that maybe a playable Goblin could be cool, story being he left the company

I could voice him.

[wide prawn]

I don't like idea of goblins tbh

But hey

Give me your most annoying goblin voice

Show me what you got

🤔

[near glacier]

Well besides Elves, Goblins have always been the enemy to Dwarves

And I'd do a voice when the idea is gunna be going through + I have lines to say.

Voice acting is my job idk.

[wide prawn]

You gotta give me a taste

A little sample dish

I don't wanna eat the full platter if I dont like the sampler

[near glacier]

Hmm

When I get home later I'll go do a voice call.

Join me there?

[wide prawn]

I'm not a Dev or anything, I just wanna give you constructive criticism

So don't expect me to be like "You got the job!"

[near glacier]

Yeah, I know.

[wide prawn]

I won't be home till prolly after 6pm, if you'd rather just record your voice and send it to me that'd work too

[near glacier]

I get home around 2:30 PM my time, so yeah I might record a line or something.

[wide prawn]

Alright

[near glacier]

If you have any ideas for things for the Goblin to say feel free

[split fjord]

All I need is for you to be able to yell "And my axe" as one of the dwarves....

[drowsy carbon]

Hopefully im not beating a dead horse but if this game will benefit from modding (if it is not in the works already).
Also, some optional game modes. Like, two teams of 4 race to get most ore.

[sharp wind]

Would suggest not putting micro transactions in the game

[lean haven]

They do want modding

[sharp wind]

EA just got butt fucked lol

[lean haven]

But aren't sure how to implement it.

So it a maybe later sort of thing

[hollow breach]

Well they also did a poor job working with their microtransactions

[lean haven]

Please don't ever get bought by EA deep rock

[nocturne schooner]

I suggest adding some sort of tracking buoys that can be placed so that navigating caves would be easier

[lean haven]

A marking system has been suggested in a few different ways now, first time I've seen buoy used to describe it though

[nocturne schooner]

also so i'm not running in circles constantly

[sharp wind]

Yes marking System makes sense

[lean haven]

We've had glowing spray paint, literal signs, sticky flares to put on walls where you've been

[sharp wind]

In a game I play called Astroneer

[near glacier]

@split fjord I can do that for you lmao

[nocturne schooner]

a more complex pointer system like Portal 2's would be good too

[sharp wind]

They have markers like this

But it also acts as a power source and a air line

[lean haven]

That would be an interesting way of handling it

Although I'd imagine you would run out of line eventually

[sharp wind]

Yes but the green/blue/black crystals called maybe be used to build more ?

[lean haven]

I like my glowing blue crystals don't make them people's fuel

:(

[sharp wind]

As they are worthless crystals atm

[nocturne schooner]

to be more specific, have pointers for placing platforms or ziplines at a location

[sharp wind]

Fuck me was trying to remember the word

They are called tethers

[near glacier]

I had the idea for the crystals to be extra materials for money and to be able to smith vanity items for your dwarf

[lean haven]

Context sensitive pointer

Dwarfurious has brought that up a few times

[sharp wind]

I still want my mining vehicle lol

YEEES

PLEASE

😁

[manic flicker]

I like the idea of reflective chalk or spray paint. Giving the mark retroreflective properties, so it doesn't actually glow in the dark, but the instant any light hits it, it would light up like the sun.

like safety equipment

[lean haven]

2safe4me

[manic flicker]

because as it stands, it's actually fairly easy to navigate, the problem is remembering which way to go.

[light parcel]

Read the wiki. The DRG is not using safety stuff

[lean haven]

Breadcrumb trails of flares help

Also putting things like resupply drops down as waypoints

[manic flicker]

yeah but eventually that trail of spent flares ends up getting mixed in with every other flare and you're just oh no

[hollow breach]

Ziplines also useful for navigation

[lean haven]

Ziplines are great for a-b direction

[short cypress]

I enjoy how flares are different colors for each dwarf so I know who's been where.

[near glacier]

Sane

[lean haven]

It's a good change

They didn't used to be

[near glacier]

That's a feature I like

[manic flicker]

I don't really mind following the mule back to the pod, the problem is when it finds a resupply pod hole

and is just

byebye

[lean haven]

Ride Molly up the hole

[light parcel]

Btw... Does anyone know if danniela is a girl?

[short cypress]

I think it's great because it makes you feel like you should always be prepared to go back.

It's not a one way trip.

[light parcel]

I don't wanna ask her directly... Cuz that's embarrassing

[lean haven]

Awww

Drong has a crush

Cute

[light parcel]

;-;

[hollow breach]

I could ping danniela and say that you're asking :V

[light parcel]

.> Don't tell anybody

[lean haven]

😘

[manic flicker]

but yeah drong, for the reflective chalk or paint, I don't mean for it to be safety equipment in any way. I just referenced safety equipment as an example of what retroreflective looks like

[light parcel]

👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

[lean haven]

I thought I was your waifu though

I've been ditched

[light parcel]

Deal with it

[lean haven]

😭

[manic flicker]

ditched like when you call in a resupply pod and the mule leaves you to die

pls

[light parcel]

You are not dealing with it too well...

[lean haven]

🤢

I just now noticed this nauseated emoji

I love it

[short cypress]

At least you know which direction the escape pod is in.

Even if he goes up.

[lean haven]

Bring back no hud mode

I miss it

[short cypress]

I think the hud is okay but holding tab shouldn't let you see dwarves through walls on the hardest difficulity I feel.

Or X to call to them

[lean haven]

Nah, playing sans hud is a whole different experience

It's incredibly atmospheric

[light parcel]

Agreed

[lean haven]

I highly recommend it

[short cypress]

Does every gun have it's ammo count listed on it?

I'm not sure if the zipline gun and flare gun did or not.

[lean haven]

I can't remember

I don't think flare does

[light parcel]

Zip-lines also not

[short cypress]

if they added that and a way for teamates to tell you your health i would be alright with difficulity 5 having no hud.

[lean haven]

I'd just want them to leave it as it was, a toggleable button

So you could flip it on and off at will

[short cypress]

It has a lot of potential to be something really cool as a realism mode if they tried though.

It's close already.

[light parcel]

And call it Screenshot-Mode

[lean haven]

I got so many great screenshots with no hud mode

Ugh I miss it more now

[manic flicker]

kinda hoping the devs might be able to get the inside of the drop pod to be the loading screen.

put 1 more screen up with the mission info on it

[eager vale]

Or just do like a rotation of different loading screens

Like 1 the drop pod 2 the planet 3 dwarves dancing

[manic flicker]

no because if the drop pod is the loading screen, it's like you go directly from the space station to the surface

like how half life 2 did their loading sorta

where it took the last frame of video and made it the loading screen, and put you in the same exact spot next map

so it's like you didn't load at all almost

seamless

[eager vale]

Both ideas are good but that puts a lot of strain on the comp I believe

[manic flicker]

at least putting the players in the seat they were closest to before loading would be neat

because I'll sit in one seat, magically in another seat when loading is done

[wide prawn]

Mama lootbug miniboss for killing to many lootbugs in one level ;)

[manic flicker]

and when you kill it

mineral chunks so large that if you get hit by them you die

EZ

nah tho that'd be interesting, bik lootbug that's mad

[near glacier]

suggestion, searche and rescue mission? all those dwarve lost in action arent such pussie that they would just die. could be an interesting new raid mode ?

[manic flicker]

nah forget looking for dwarves with SAR

DRG doesn't care

what they do care about tho

a fully loaded mule

that gets damaged

go perform SAR and find it

[near glacier]

whhat the dwarve HQ in game want doesnt count. thhat was a suggestion to the dev team

[manic flicker]

yes and I suggested instead of looking for lost dwarves which in universe wouldn't make sense

look for lost MULEs

which would make more sense

so the concept is the same

you're just looking for something different

[near glacier]

beside youd be surprised how easy it is to addapd lore to new idea for the sake of game devlopment

agree for mule sar

[manic flicker]

also they already have the mule AI pathfinding

I doubt they'd want to have to make an AI dwarf that has to deal with jumping and using ziplines

jsut for 1 mode

[near glacier]

I wanna fight something other than bugs man

mule could sometime get stuck in bugs den when all dwarve present die. that would be a plausible explanation for SAR to find lost mule

[eager vale]

The search and rescue sound awesome have like 1 alone and 3 coming for him or something like that

[near glacier]

so the one to be rescued would be another player instead of an AI. good idea

[wide prawn]

One big fat angery mama lootbug

You killed her babies and now she wants YOU

Kill her and entire room fills with loot

[manic flicker]

get squished by loot and die

ez

[near glacier]

also. RAID mode 5 to 12 people, difficulty cannot be set under lvl 5.

[wide prawn]

"We killed it, finally!" A chunk of Nitra the size of a fridge shoots at you at over 100mph killing you instantly

[manic flicker]

you know what's a good suggestion

[near glacier]

go ahhead

tell us

[manic flicker]

giving demo packs a second sphere showing the area of terrain they will destroy

since it's smaller than the area of actual damage

which in and of itself does not seem accurate

[near glacier]

hmm. maybe its just not WAI. it could be wrote to the bug report

do the dev read the suggestion server or does people tag tem on interesting suggestion ? im confused

[quiet robin]

Since the idea of red sugar and bees came about, I would like to suggest a map and some bee enemy types that are around this idea. Have a map that is either apart of a giant bee hive where red sugar is plenty, possibly bring in giant chunks of it and collect them, and you get swarmed by enemy bee types, drones, workers, of the like, and eventually lead to finding the queen bee which would be a boss type enemy.

Also another idea would be drinks. Can’t have a dwarf game without drinking. I honestly want to see these made up brands of alcohol and the dwarves commenting on the drinks. I assumed something is in line because of the Abyss bar but I wanted it to be a suggestions, as another part is possibly making the drinks an item you could bring to a mission and drinking it at anytime would give you some sort of buff or effect. Would be nice to see and makes a load out be more interesting to see. Like say a gunner getting more defense and taking less damage while he fires at a swarm or boosting the speed of a scout. Things like that.

[queen night]

hey guys wanted to point out i just checked out the open alpha survey and i looked into answer it, i had to stop tho because it asked questions regarding if i had played the open alpha which i didnt. Ive answered other games surveys in the past where they have an option to answer why you didnt get around to playing which i answered and feels is worth having in your survey...

i also wanted to point out that i was a bit confused with why there was an open alpha and closed alpha at the same time, made more work for me if i wanted to look into playing and was more confusing before i understood that u guys were doing an open and closed, which still i dont get why

i wanna point out that since i didnt have any friends to play with i didnt wanna hop on to play the game since im streaming all the time and im either trying to push a good stream game or wind down with something solo for myself

so that means games id like to check out will fall behind on my rotation of games, had i been able to carry my friends pre alpha or whatever it was codes forward to the closed alpha that would have been awesome

i kinda spaced on the fact that the open alpha was gonna be open and i could invite my friends and play

guess i was just rly busy it didnt pop into my mind

[supple meteor]

i think people in the closed alpha are in more contact with the devs and record and stream it too

open alpha was for the general public

[queen night]

yeah, i didnt understand the whole open beta not streamable? or am i thinking of another game, the closed alpha i believe is supposed to be streamable however making the open alpha not streamable made me question whether the clsoed alpha was really streamable

and since i stream whenever i game it does have an impact on what i play, ill check out games i cant stream, ill play games i can

[supple meteor]

there were many streaming the open alph

alpha

you cant stream the unstable version of the game

[queen night]

unstable? is that something else or is that closed or open ver?

[supple meteor]

i think its a branch from closed alpha

[light parcel]

closed alpha is there and then there is the SECRET unstable

[queen night]

omg why does this have to be so confusing 😦

[light parcel]

well i guess not it is only a name ;-;

[queen night]

i love this game 😛

[light parcel]

Open alpha is no more so forget that

[queen night]

yeah i know that much

[light parcel]

Closed alpha is for everyone who signed up on the website and got a key

but now after the OA phase i am kinda not sure what will be

[supple meteor]

i signed up for it and never got a key until open alpha

:p

[light parcel]

it seams like only Regulars will have access but i can not believe that

[queen night]

i understand this much just rly wanna highlight that theres plenty of confusion still, i can imagine others would see any confusion and give up which is no bueno u kno

damn sir im sry

[supple meteor]

it makes enough sense to me

open alpha basically just let everyone play

anyone who really wanted to

closed alpha was sign up specifically i guess

[queen night]

i was at one point wanting to give some of my keys in the discord but i wouldnt be able to verify who actually needed it, i did wind up getting some newer viewers/friends who got to have some fun with me and by themselves which was really cool

have one friend who go into the discord and started playing a bunch which was amazing but from what it sounded like he couldnt find really anybody playing

i think hes over in germany so hours mighta been harder for him than me to hop on but i miss the early pre alpha or whatever it was, so many ppl playing and chatting i was in heaven

ive never seen a closed alpha available while an open alpha is happening i mean like closed alpha, open, closed again, only seen like the typical closed for maybe a week and then open for a weekend and then down for both, or like one month closed then a week later a weekend or week of open

glad i checked that email tho means im gonna be trying to make room for the closed alpha, wish i could get a suggested date for it going down tho 😛

❤ ❤ ❤

[supple meteor]

how long ago did you sign up for closed alpha

[summer field]

Cave leeches: after they've killed (number of dwarves in the mission - 1) dwarves, maybe have them be less aggressive? or keep sucking on one of the downed dwarves, just so they are less of a mission failure state?

[normal cradle]

maybe just don't let 3 spawn next to each other

but if you yell it says you have been leeched

[summer field]

Watching the <tab>/<ctrl> outline fly into the ceiling is another way to spot it, but I've watched my team kill themselves between falling when they run towards the leech and walking into the leech room after the leech dropped the first dwarf because they didn't realize it would grab them immediately 😄

[summer field]

Relatedly, cave leeches are currently the only threat that spawns on the cavern roof, so most of the time you're looking at dwarf-height or lower to deal with the other threats. Adding new, less fatal hazards to the roof (something that throws spikes at dwarves? stalactite that's dislodged by explosions nearby and does impact damage or fragments on hitting the ground?) might keep DRG employees watching the roof more?

[digital latch]

the best part was a mission where 6 of them spawned realativly close to each other, and they all grabbed the same guy out of my group

[normal cradle]

i once got grabbed by 2 at once

gave me the abillity to shoot tho

[digital latch]

like, i litterly freed him from one, and he got grabbed by a second one, 5 seconds later and died because he had like 5hp left

then it grabbed me

[idle quartz]

remember that damage makes them turn back

[quiet robin]

2 words. Jetpack Dwarf.

A way to balance is like the webbing or being surrounded with bugs makes you not to be able to fly but you burn fuel still.

[wide prawn]

Just give the jetpack to the Gunner and then give the zipline gun to the Engineer

[light parcel]

suddenly is only player

[violet swift]

Game needs more gems

[wide prawn]

Perhaps, Emeralds?~

[hollow breach]

Wouldn't make more sense to have Engi have the jetpack?

[wide prawn]

Huehuehue

[violet swift]

I need to feed my greedy digging

Emeralds ..... :yogWink:

[idle quartz]

Jadiz is already basically an emerald

[wide prawn]

@hollow breach Idk

[violet swift]

Yeah but I want more gems

I want to dig too deep

[hollow breach]

Aquarq is just saphire

And Bittergem is a fancy topaz

[idle quartz]

based on this trend i think the only 'normal' thing we'll find is gold

aquarq COULD be aquamarine ;o

or a beryl

[wide prawn]

Skittles rock

Mine Skittles

[violet swift]

I want to dig too deep and unleash an evil

[hollow breach]

I keep calling it aquamarine 😛

[violet swift]

Like a true drawf

[idle quartz]

if im on your team you'll unleash my evil x3

"just finish the mission!"

im wondering if they'll continue the gem trend of giant gems w/ earth counterparts.

Next we'll get big red Rubiz's.

[wide prawn]

Let me mine and collect geodes to put in my personal quarters

[violet swift]

:gandsTrinketArmor:

[idle quartz]

and black Onyxia stones..

[violet swift]

Then again still alpha, plenty to go yet

Can hold out hope for my greedy inner dwarf

[lean haven]

Ammo eating enemies. They latch on to you and steal some ammunition

You have maybe 10 seconds to kill them and get your ammo back

Otherwise they just leave behind some slag metal when they die

[idle quartz]

that'd be funny but it'd have to be character specific ammo pickups and that requires a bit of stuff

otherwise its gonna eat your ammo and an ally might take it 😛

[lean haven]

Couldn't we just tie the ammo to the player?

[light parcel]

Also what about driller? he mainly had fuel based stuff

[lean haven]

Just let it steal actual bullets. Gunpowder/metal eating enemies

[idle quartz]

i dont see why they should get the ammo back 😉

[lean haven]

I'd go for a sort of rust monster but that's very generic rpg and having to repair things in round wouldn't be very fun imo

I'm fine with losing the ammo

It makes them a high priority target in swarms

[light parcel]

But i like my ammo ;-;

I guess i have to

👽 🔫

[lean haven]

Pkew pkew

Also, I still would like cobwebs/spider webs to be an actual physical obstacle

Not enough to stop movement, but they'd slow you down if passed through

Maybe let glyphids climb them

[light parcel]

And let dreads climb the zip-lines

[lean haven]

Sure why not

[devout coral]

make dreads invincible

increase firing rate by 9001%

increase dmg by at least 100

for better balancing

[normal cradle]

what?

how is making something invincible balancing?

[light parcel]

ignore him >_>

[normal cradle]

is he one of those?

[wide prawn]

I think it should be 9002%

[queen night]

Hey guys would love to see another code give away for closed alpha or whatever it is that’s available at the moment I’m in but mainly wanna play with friends and I loved that last giveaway for the pre alpha or whatever that was

[eager vale]

Hey devs can we get a health and safety inspector dwarf that has 2 ability’s 1 to place a caution deep hole sign (customizable) and some do not cross tape. His weapons would be a clipboard and pen that rates Deep Rock on the safety practices and a mighty pen that can hold the power of shutting down a mining operation for safety reasons

This dwarf would save lives I believe we need him

He would wear all white armor with a hard hat

[wide prawn]

Just have him wear a suit with an all white hard hat.

Walks around and has voice lines like "Tsk, tsk, tsk" or "That's a health violation."

If you die he can bring you back with the health coverage of the workers union.

[eager vale]

Yes please my h&s dwarf would be lvl30

[wide prawn]

His melee attack is just slightly lowering his glasses and giving you the stink eye.

[eager vale]

We should atdevs this lol

[wide prawn]

Lol, go for it.

[light parcel]

Uhhh.. Potential Kebab

[wide prawn]

"That's gonna be a negatory." puts an X on the clipboard

[eager vale]

@rain fog please^^

[devout coral]

sir it seems your spinal cord is fractured i need to look at your butthole

scout: but were figh-

health inspector: no butts well except for your

[wide prawn]

Why.

[oblique walrus]

"Sir I do not see enough Zip Lines in your chasm. Order more or I'm shutting down this whole operation" .. "What do you mean you can't reach the Nitra? ..Don't give me answers, give me results!"

[pale dune]

rich presence?

[thick gate]

hopefully this game doesn't turn as trolly as the discord. Find out next updates. Might have to pass on our group play anyway. Lots of questions comments and input - but no replies, confirms or acknowledgements..... seems lazy.

[eager vale]

No they are just in a different timezone

Or they just don’t want to reveal anything

I constantly get reply’s from the devs they are reading these messages and are thinking about our input

[pine pelican]

I'm sure this has already been suggested, and I know it would make something dynamic that is currently static (so more work). But it would be really cool if you could attach a zip line to the M.U.L.E.

[devout coral]

it would get ripped out of the ground source or keep molly stationary

depends how many horsepower....i mean mollypower molly has

[wide prawn]

Thats a saftey code violation.

[devout coral]

sir imma need to check with your molly

you say molly broke down

but the reports show molly having a zipline inside it

sir do you know how dangerous that is?

molly might explode

its the most dangerous thing that can happen down there

we could get sued by META for this

[wide prawn]

"Who's idea was it to put a zipline in here in the first place" sigh "I'm gonna have to mark you down for this."

[summer field]

Scenic zipline over flamespout. A++ would zipline again.

[eager vale]

Lol

[devout coral]

gimme a ZIPLINE

[eager vale]

Zip line Up!!!

[icy laurel]

I was hoping that open alpha would last till XMAS

[devout coral]

it does

just not the open-alpha

[hollow breach]

Sadly it was only over a weekend. But damn was it a good weekend 😃

[idle quartz]

If possible.. Can we have the crosshair change colors when looking at the ground to reflect fall damagE?

Just yellow fr "dangerous" and red for "you gonna splat"

help players quickly gauge their jumps

[wide prawn]

Maybe If you hold control to take out your laser pointer it could tell you the distance between you and what your pointing at, or like a depth meter

The screen could have a visual queue depending on how much damage you'd take if you fell

[idle quartz]

you can tell the difference but rthis is for quick judgement 😛 not having to whip out the tool

[severe dock]

I’m not a big fan of color changing crosshairs, it makes focusing on the reticle more confusing for me. Hard on colorblind folks too. Just to add that.

[idle quartz]

eh, its not a vital feature

and it'd only apply when looking down anything steeper than 10m

but it'd have to be "down" and not like, looking forward at a slight angle 40m.

Maybe give it a 90 degree angle.

[sick merlin]

its not a common thing in games generally because eventually you sort of learn roughly how far will hurt you

[idle quartz]

Very important in this game though

[severe dock]

I think if you're willing to jump down a pit, natural dwarf selection would deem you to lose a lot of hp

😄

Definitely something to think about though

[idle quartz]

dont think i've seen it in a game before, no doubt useful for a lot of people

[severe dock]

It does bring to question why it isn't seen in games too though, additional screen information in an otherwise simple UI for rather visually intuitive information.

My first action if I came across a hole is to throw a flare down it

If it looks far, find another way

[idle quartz]

i think color change on crosshair is better than a constant depth meter on crosshair too

very clean

[ivory stag]

Dark Souls had that iirc

You could throw pebbles off ledges to check them

[idle quartz]

for safety?

[ivory stag]

Yes

But people mostly used them to mark paths over a certain invisible bridge

[severe dock]

Well

[idle quartz]

weird that a pebble tells you if you'll hurt yourself

[severe dock]

Those were only for invisible ledges

Most ledges were death if you went off

You had a rather limited amount and they were for a specific area

[ivory stag]

It was not really a common pebble, but it started glowing when it fell

Gamey stuff

[severe dock]

I put my input on the idea, I do think it's an option to consider, but I'm not for it.

Not sure if that's really what the suggestions area is made for in terms of discussing ideas, so it might not be my place to do so. I apologize if that's the case.

[sick merlin]

drg already is lenient on fall damage already with it applying to shields, so i really dont think this 'fall damage crosshair' innovation is much more than a confusing feature for new players that wont get used very often, then once players have learned roughly how far the fall damage starts applying it will be unnecessary

[idle quartz]

it doesnt need 'used' its just automatic

most importantly is that it tells you if its gonna break your shield or not

[severe dock]

I think if it were tied into the laser tool, rather than the reticle, it couldn't hurt, such as being an additional data point if looking downward alongside the display of common rock/ores.

[idle quartz]

but that adds a pretty long delay, laser tool kind of already does it, anything under 13~meters and your shield should hold

it'd be pretty useful for Engineer since he could gauge platforms too since the crosshair will change for those

[severe dock]

So the information, and the way to obtain the information already exists in that sense. Is this coming from your desire to go as fast as possible I've been hearing so much about? 😄

[idle quartz]

its so you dont have to stop, change tools and scan terrain, you could navigate at a glance and like i said, big help for engineer

besides the laser only tells you the distance, not if it'll hurt, player has to learn that and its only good if you got max shield

[severe dock]

I definitely think I'm understanding why you'd want that, and I see your reasoning for it. I still find myself adverse to it though. Not my intention to dismiss the idea either, but offering a second perspective on it.

[idle quartz]

just wait until fall damage can break your legs ;o

[severe dock]

There's an idiom quite for this scenario, look before you leap. 😄

[idle quartz]

thats literally what the feature is though ;o

except, you know, darkness.

[severe dock]

That's what I mean by saying throwing a flare down a hole to see what's there

[idle quartz]

but darkness without flares!

[severe dock]

Then how would the dwarf even know if you'd survive if you can't see if you'd survive? 😄

I think it kind of contradicts the visual information

[idle quartz]

also thats kind of part of the "stopping to look" thing

im just asking for quick, clear, useful information without pressing a button

[hollow breach]

Dark runs are actually quite fun as some form of challenge

[idle quartz]

the kind of thing a future mining suit would probably have in it

[severe dock]

Aye, and I think it's not a bad idea in essence, but it's more the way you've packaged it I disagree with. Color changing reticles for example, I would strongly dislike personally. I don't like it when games use it for determining if a target is friendly or foe. It might just be my personal bias.

If there was another way to present that information cleanly, such as on a HUD in a mining suit

I'd be down for that

[idle quartz]

isnt a HUD going to get in the way more? And its only when you're looking down

so its not intrusive

[severe dock]

Depends on the implementation, like a big mining mech suit, not just basic dwarf implements like some goggles

If they had high tech mining goggles on that featured more informational HUD stuff, a "Don't fall there, you'll probably die" alert could add a lot to the experience.

[idle quartz]

but thats what this is, in a clean and efficient way

[severe dock]

I've always viewed the reticle as an origin marker, center-screen. It's meant to be ignored as other visual information is being absorbed and focused on.

[idle quartz]

since a lot of people do look down at a pit and wonder if they'll survive it

[severe dock]

That's a good scenario actually 😄

Would you rather have the mystery and wonder that comes with exploration, or hard information that says "definitely dangerous, don't drop down and explore"

Or careful planning and preperation that takes more time using a laser tool to find out.

Throwing that information would take away the wonder of "should I do it?"

My initial issues aside, I think that conveys a core feeling I have on why I might not like that feature

[idle quartz]

eh, if the pit is gigantic then its easy to assume you're gonna die, its the mid-range pits that make you wonder

[hollow breach]

To me there needs to be multiple ways to adress it. Having an easy visual way to see it without any extra tools can be good, But it would have to be a bit of a learning process to understand. While there could be a way to give you an answer but with a delay. So that It's take some time But No need to learn it except the key binding to activate it

This to give the experience for both speedrunners and casual strollers to have fun

[severe dock]

Definitely, there's some reasoning on both sides of it. It's a simple suggestion that invokes quite a bit of thought

[idle quartz]

learning process = a message in the tutorial, it would only take one

it could be a suit upgrade though.

take it if you want it

and since we already have tools that function based on range/angles i imagine it wouldnt be too hard.

[severe dock]

Let's see.. Other suggestions just brought up in the general channel.

• Daily Challenges: A pool of maps with special parameters/mission types. (Such as stronger glyphids, more nests, more of a particular kind of enemy type, all participants are miners, engi's, scouts, etc.) functioning on the idea of a reward for completing a hard mission, resets on a timer (Daily,weekly, etc.). - Reward given once per challenge completion, re-playing the mission offers no reward, but is fun. - Also worth considering single attempt, multiple attempts, unlimited attempts.

Additionally clarified, the challenge mission map would be the same for all players until the timer refreshes. Selecting a new mission from the pool, which all players will have access to, repeating on cycle. (Map = Seed, thus identical terrain/ore for the challenge.)

Leaderboards for challenge mission might include fastest time completed, number of glyphids killed, etc. (I think it was mentioned no anti-cheat is currently in place, so this brings other things to think about regarding the backend)

Some variants could also include solo-only challenges, scaled appropriately.

• Personal Quests: Such as "Get x amount of revives", "Kill 50 glyphids", "do 3 missions" and so on. Perhaps collected from a job board, accepting a quest makes it active. quests are active until abandoned/completed. Perhaps multiple quests active at the same time up to 3-4, able to pick up new quests when “quest slot(s)” become available. Any inactive quests are reset/reselected from the pool once timer refreshes, filling the job board. (Daily/hourly).

I say Rewards referring to Credits, or some form of cosmetics/crafting/etc. Very flexible and adjustable term.

[idle quartz]

^daily challenge needs to be on a seed so everyone plays the same map

kind of a leaderboard thingy games do.

[severe dock]

🤔

[idle quartz]

the seed is the map, so it generates the same map for everyone who attempts it. Like a daily challenge, you get one shot at it

[severe dock]

Hmm~ That is a decision to think about, I like the idea of only getting the reward once, and being able to replay it. Since the missions are intended to be hard, and that might help to keep it well populated.

[idle quartz]

Could also be daily solo missions

[severe dock]

Editted those in too

[idle quartz]

Adding side-quests was one of the best things Vermintide did

[teal thicket]

I'm glad that class lvl is only for the show (in a good way). It doesn't provide stat boosts, and others perks whatsoever. And it's better that way.
Because if the class lvl would've meant something (stat/skill/perk wise) - people would've farmed the lvl, hence would've played for numbers, not for the team.
So, my suggestion is: keep the lvl number as an "indicator" of how long the player enjoyed that class (hence, his "skill rating" of that class), and don't add special perks to those, who are on higher lvl.
Because the game is about teamplay, not farming (even though is seems otherwise at first) - and people would play because they'll want to be a part of the team/community (hence, to get that precious "buddy hangover" time), not because they want to farm the EXP to level up.
Take a look at "ancient" (in terms of game engines) examples, like L4D2 or TF2 - there are still loads of fellas out there who want to play these kind of games. And these games don't have a "familiar" EXP/lvl curve. 😃

[idle quartz]

Heh..er.. yet. Right now people 'already' farm, they want gold for credits for upgrades. If you want to play for team, play with friends 😛 pugs will ideally know what to do at best but you wont always play the same way, and people will probably just name their servers with their farming intentions. On the flip side, perks and upgrades associated to level is more reason to play, and can introduce higher difficulty curves, but nothing too drastic since itsn ot an RPG. Also TF2 has loads of farming 😄 so many hats to farm

[mortal peak]

-why the flamethrower is a better armor piercing weapon than the grenade launcher? I think it should do no damage to armored ennemies currently it is too good

• for the sentry gun they do 2 pistol shots every 5 seconds it's too bad, i suggest that it fires much faster
• i suggest a jetpack for the engineer like the jetpack from the pyro in TF2 to jump vertically and reach platforms, to make him more useful
• scout should have a geological scanner more advanced that colors the walls and can detect gems, similar to the geological building of Lego Rock Raiders which detected rock types and energy crystal (gems)
• nitra should allow to improve the sentry guns to make them armor piercing and more resistant
• maybe vehicles or mechas called with nitra could be good like vehicles in Rock Raiders that uses Nova Crystals to help explore faster
• the sentry should explode like a grenade when destroyed

[eager vale]

Flame thrower burns through armor because it heats up their armor and boils their insides

They are dwarves not humans jet packs sound way to annoying op and complicated

[mortal peak]

it's too good it is good against tiny ennemies

and big armored

and have tons of ammunition

[eager vale]

Nitra is a currency not a ammo type

[amber finch]

The downside to it is it can set your allies on fire

So you don't spam it

[mortal peak]

i prefer getting the flamethrower than the machine gun

[eager vale]

I like the mini gun more

[mortal peak]

the driller shouldn't be better than the gunner in fights

[eager vale]

They aren’t lol

[mortal peak]

try hard mode then, there is a lot of armored ennemies and the gunner is useless if he can't shoots their back

[eager vale]

I’m a gunner main and I get 2x the kills of drillers

I play on haz5

[mortal peak]

because the driller agro for you maybe

[eager vale]

And no you just need to well place shots with a revolver and your praetorian dies

[mortal peak]

anyway the driller shouldn't have a weapon good against everything

[light parcel]

why not?

[mortal peak]

it does more DPS to bosses than the grenade launcher

it is too good

[idle quartz]

Driller is the least played class

[eager vale]

It’s not good against everything it’s mildly effective against everything

[idle quartz]

and bosses? grenade launcher is explosive weapon o.o

dont think about it in terms of "dps" think about it in terms of ammo efficiency

its terribly ineffective vs dreadnaught hp

[hollow breach]

I can agree to taking down the flamethrower damage a bit.
Sentry guns are actually pretty good. However, just having one up is inefficient but you usually don't put up more than one anyways.
A jetpack would not work with what other things for movement are in the game.
Scout doesn't really require a scanner of sort. Throwing a flare lights up a room enough for you to spot nodes.
Sentry thing comes back
You're already fast enough. You're never too slow to get somewhere, and it would just be too good in general
Why would sentries explode when they get destroyed. Maybe upon running out of ammo as it is still "Alive"

[idle quartz]

and the Engineer is the most played class lol, usually they easily get top kills because of sentry guns

[light parcel]

no! The flamethrower is empty very fast and deeals good damage

baanced veery weell imo

[mortal peak]

if I think about ammo the flamethrower can be used for maybe 40 sec and burns the ground too it's too good

[idle quartz]

yeah hes the close range guy

[amber finch]

It does burn the ground

Just not if you hit an enemy first

[idle quartz]

use shotgun vs bosses 😛 its way better.

[eager vale]

The minigun has 2500 ammo or more and also has the revolver that 4 shots praetorians also has c4 and great explosive resistance armor

[idle quartz]

while the flamethrower is "good" against praetorians, it is not ammo efficient against them

if you blow through your ammo real quick you can kill them quick

[mortal peak]

a good nerf would be flamethrower not good against armor (try to destroy a wall with a flamethrower)

[eager vale]

The gunner can 1 tap a praetorian with a charge

[idle quartz]

so can the driller tho^