they are confident that they can do 250v250 with reasonable performance
they are attempting to push it towards 500v500, but they can't confirm anythign in that regard
#questions
reef osprey
crisp holly
Steven has said that he is confidant that they will be able to do 250v250 and wants to push that to 500v500 if possible
dreamy temple
not sure how they’ll be able to pull that off but i have high hopes
steven if ur seeing this im just being realistic sorry
crisp holly
Steven has mentioned having devs from Planeside 2 which can have up to 1000 people in the same ish area which is why I'm hopeful and optimistic of what he has said about these numbers
Not that Planeside 2 really regularly has 1000 people in an area now but it does work
unreal zealot
it all depends on how the back end works with the amount of tinkering they've done in the unreal 4 engine
crisp holly
Yep, hopefully what they have fixed on the back end due to what they found out from doing APOC has fixed any large issues and any problems are on the small side
ivory latch
actually in planetside 2 is 1000 vs 1000
oak bridge
So @idle siren spoke about not wanting combat metrics, which i completely understand, it adds a layer of mystery to the game and I can totally get behind that. What I can't understand is why isn't that same level of mystery being implemented towards PVP? Why can players see exactly what kind of gear another player is wearing through a buff? That takes the fun out of it imo and acts exactly like a combat metric for pvp. Am I missing something here or does anyone agree?
subtle swan
what do you mean, you want everyone to hide their gear behind cloaks?
unreal zealot
from what i remember in the middle of pvp fights your not gonan really be able ti inspect players that easily, so they have a "buff" showing what armor type they are wearing as well as a border of some kind to the "quality" if i remember due to the transmog system people can try and be sneaky snoos with full plate armour transmogs to cloth armour and trick someone into attacking them thinking they are weak
so its a way to combat that
subtle swan
well like in lineage 2 - carry a separate set of low-lvl gear
oak bridge
well yeah, thats the surprise and mystery of it, if I already know a person is wearing heavy because a system told me that, and i use a magic attack, how is that any different from any other combat metric
subtle swan
well if the person is wearing heavy, its obvious visually
reef osprey
@subtle swan in L2 you could do it due to the nigh endless amount of levels and the power growth that comes with it.
Don't think its realistic to kill other 45-50 LVL players with Low LvL gear in ashes
subtle swan
nobody said about killing with lowlevel gear - you can switch gear as soon as someone flags back
or is gear switching locked in combat?
oak bridge
well that depends, you can only change weapons in combat or something like that. so you probably cant switch
unreal zealot
what @subtle swan says if the person is in full plate and not transmoged then its obvs they have good physical defense. if they mog leather for looks its gonna be confusing and annoyng for people.
subtle swan
its possible to transmog to other types of armor?
reef osprey
yes
subtle swan
really? thats a bit weird
reef osprey
you can look however you want, that's why they need indicators on the gear you are wearing
Fashion of Creation
subtle swan
i understand transmog of cloth > other cloth and heavy > other heavy
oak bridge
What im getting at though, is that everything is the game is designed around a trial and error system, according to Steven. I like this kind of system and i think it should also apply to PVP
unreal zealot
all about visual profiles of armour form distances to help but the issue there goes from adding a transmog system so you have t have combat metrics to balance it out
oak bridge
It also ruins some of the player to player dynamic in the open world. If I know someone has WAY better gear than me i wont even try to fight them for the grind spot (hypothetically), but if theres no indication of what gear they have i might give it a try
subtle swan
yeah thats weird
im sad to learn about this
wish there was no transmog, or at least limited to same type of armor
also takes out the immersion aspect
a tank wearing a hoodie and tanking a huge dragon
while a mage running around in heavy plate looks like nothing
unreal zealot
i mean if your a mage and theres a ranger in tansmoged cloth gear with out the metric you would assume he has very high magic defense. and try to melee him thinking you both have bad physical defense then he destroys you cuz his gear is actually plate. then you would get angry as to why you didnt do a lot of damage
elder yacht
Even ignoring transmog there'll be builds involving mages in heavy plate
subtle swan
of course builds involving mages in heavy plate is fine
oak bridge
Im not talking about transmog, Im talking about clicking a player and seeing the buff under their name
unreal zealot
@oak bridge Transmog is why that buff is there
elder yacht
It's just the Archeage system. If you've got time to scrutinize what someone's wearing and that can influence whether you even start fighting them, you had time to click on them and see what armor buff they have
oak bridge
Steven already said transmog wont be crazy, its still going to have the base look of the armor
subtle swan
what you guys wrote makes it sound like a dude in a robe (visually) can actually have same stats as the epic heavy armor set
oak bridge
heavy armor cant look like a hoodie, from what i remember in the live streams
subtle swan
then thats ok
oak bridge
heavy armor will always look like heavy armor, what im saying is there's no need for a buff that shows the armor and grade of the armor on top of that. its just too much information, it ruins the "surprise im actually OP, you shouldnt have decided to attack me" feeling.
oak bridge
If the game revolves around risk and reward, also around a trial and error systems, why shouldnt pvp be the same?
subtle swan
but granted that theres transmog, the buff seems like a fine balancing point
because if you have no way to know what someone is wearing
it is not trial and error
its a lottery
elder yacht
The buff being shown is fine, especially given that there's no obligation to go all heavy or all light. If people become that reliant on visuals, I'm going to walk around in a red herring chest piece and everything else as my main type.
oak bridge
how, if i use magic and do bad dmg, error, if i attack with physical and hit hard, success
how is that lottery?
subtle swan
i mean you don't know who you're fighting
until you actually fight
thats a lottery
oak bridge
you do know the transmog will not change the gear that drastically. right?
elder yacht
That implies there's not going to be many appearances available in the game, which isn't what we've heard
subtle swan
i'm talking about if they dont have the buff that shows what they're wearing
fair yew
There will be a buff on the enemy to let you know the armor type
subtle swan
basically a buff is fine
its nice to know exactly what they're wearing
either visually or via a tooltip
i prefer visually, but there's transmog. oh well
unreal zealot
if you can provide a link to that explanation of the transmog system @oak bridge that would be great as from what ive heard i must have missunderstood it
viral meteor
is there any technique to control the zerg?
subtle swan
well there will be large scale battles
oak bridge
thats the point though, its also nice to know exactly how much dmg im doing, and other combat metrics. but steven doesn't want that. So why implement a combat metric for pvp?
elder yacht
There's a big difference between a DPS meter, which is something that you could do in your head if you were fast enough, and the game lying to you
oak bridge
thats all a metric is
elder yacht
Not all information is the same, it's false equivalence
viral meteor
I mean the hoarding of resources that the zerg can do and prevent the progress of the node and affect others in this way
reef osprey
@viral meteor nodes progress primarily through EXP, they always get exp, whether its a zerg or not
@viral meteor materials are needed for building buildings within the node, that profit the zerg more than it profits other players
its in the interest of the zerg to see your node prosper
oak bridge
So I think we might just disagree on a fundamental level @subtle swan. I want players to try to attack me. Even if Im wearing gear 10x better than them, I want players to think they might have a chance. This metric will ruin PVP for players who are hardcore and surpass the majority in gear, because no1 will even attempt to attack them. a little boring imo
elder yacht
Won't someone please think of the players who want to abuse gear advantage and then call themselves hardcore
reef osprey
@oak bridge wear lower gear, if you are better then you shouldn't have a problem
or bring the fight to them
unreal zealot
the thing is its not all about gear someone could be behind on gear but still have the skill to take you down
oak bridge
Yeah I know its not all about gear, but why would i purposfully grind with weak gear? makes no sense. Im saying if im grinding somewhere and some guy strolls by and wants to grind there too, then he sees me and says "oh im gonna kill this guy and take his spot" - BUT WAIT " look at that gear, nevermind"
subtle swan
dude...
unreal zealot
i think thats just an issue you have personally with the system, if you dont like it then that sucks,
oak bridge
Its not the end all be all. Im just bringing a point to light that I haven't seen anyone talk about yet.
Feel free to disagree im not attacking anyone here lol.
Just curious if anyone thought the same way as me.
unreal zealot
never said you was ❤️ your free to argue your point of view maybe next time we should do it in #aoc-discussion tho as i think we got a bit carried away
subtle swan
Well I'd prefer - no transmog at all. if we have transmog then i'd like to know what the other person is actually wearing.
elder yacht
It's too much of a fringe scenario to outweigh the importance of fair information
It pretty much only caters to gear stomps at the expense of everything else
oak bridge
That's fair. Steven also said that gear wont be the only factor but player should be rewarded with power for working hard in upgrading their gear.
So Idk how much to weigh gear yet.
reef osprey
40-50% is planned
half apex
@viral meteor the requirment to progress a node is in rate of the ppl staying thers. So if there are a zerg there they need more materials etc to progress the node.
reef osprey
@half apex node progress is exp based
buildings are material based
half apex
I know. It was a bad exaple then. They said though that the progress to lvl a node is based on player number there.
polar fiber
in the rules it said have your guild name in brackets does that mean people are already in guilds lol
slow meadow
yes several of us have guilds that participated in APOC and have many Alpha 1 members. In general though a lot of guilds are playing other games as well in the meantime.
half apex
It's basically find ppl think alike at this point.
polar fiber
thanks
forest kernel
Hey guys. Does someome here know when the game will be done? Like 1, 5 or 10y? I know its bad to ask, so i just wanna know what a realistic date to plan ahead
onyx knoll
we don't know but people are guessing 2-3 years
lethal badger
Hey! I could not find information about this but if i refer someone and they buy gametime do i get 15% of that ?
ruby swift
You get 15% of all their purchases.
oak depot
Will AoC support multiple monitors?
ruby swift
You can spend it how you like. And if you are in a country that allows it, even get the balance sent to you as cash. (certain limitations to be announced)
lethal badger
Oh god i am going to be rich when this game releases if i refer with this rate haha
wanton cosmos
@lethal badger how many referrals you got lol
reef dagger
@oak bridge it was stated that even through transmog you will be able to click on a player and determine their strength through an icon by their health showing their gear type (plate/leather/cloth) as well as tier to decide on engagements it worked well in other games and shouldn’t be a problem here
wanton cosmos
Actually kinda insane tho. You refer someone who spends thousands, it's the same as getting the payment of a second job
lethal badger
Well in my opinion if i refer a player who has no idea about the game and would have not played it without my referal and he ends up spending 1000€ i have earned my 15%
Thanks for the answers!
twin garden
Will AoC have survival mechanics? food, water, rest etc
crystal flax
No
crystal beacon
wait, monthly subs will count to referee?
imagine if a whole fanbase of a streamer does this
arctic sky
they ahve
grim breach
To be fair, that's one person bringing in possibly hundreds to thousands of paying customers.
crystal beacon
its actually a smart move to become a aoc streamer now
viral steppe
Will there be a launcher through Intrepid or something else? and will that launcher have a Download speed cap?
grim breach
They will be using their own launcher. No speed cap known yet.
torpid tangle
crisp holly
We might get name reservation at some point during A1 but I do not believe that we have been given an exact timing.
But they will be letting people reserve their names in order of when you got the packs/what packs you got. So the Kickstarter people will be going first and another couple groups before the Voyager plus packs
surreal elk
voyager is the lowest, You will be last
fair jasper
If I make a Py'Rai Beastmaster but then want to play a Tulnar whatever... Would I have to delete my current character or will it be like WOW's Character list?
slow meadow
you can have alts
fair jasper
okay
crystal beacon
Alt accounts or alt characters? Just making sure
slow meadow
characters
crystal beacon
Ooooo
fair jasper
Nice
crystal beacon
Thank you
fair jasper
^^
winter parrot
Are there any possible nodes or communities in the underrelm or it basically like a starter area?
Thanks for your time Johlon
pseudo nest
When are we going to know more about augmentssss
arctic sky
when they tell us
pseudo nest
i dont wanna wait tho
sterile gulch
@idle siren When looking at an applicant's level for a junior game designer position, what's the most important stuff you look for?
slow meadow
They mentioned a portfolio in one of the streams. Something that showed your skills as opposed to just a list on a resume.
sterile gulch
Do you know which stream off chance?
Need some motivation while I'm stuck and brainfarting on how to fix this error 😅
slow meadow
It was a recent one but I can't remember which off hand and I'm in the middle of debugging a twitch bot otherwise I'd help track it down.
sterile gulch
I'll rewatch, I could swear there wasnt anything but maybe I didnt pay enough attention
slow meadow
It wasn't lengthy just a handful of comments
hollow elm
are they going to be testing both globe and flat earth in alpha?
slow meadow
Probably in alpha 2. But they will be testing both
hollow elm
thats good
stray robin
Is there a source for them testing both?
hollow elm
thanks
subtle swan
And how long does it take to hear back about an application? Any idea?
Submitted an application several days ago, but they haven't looked at it yet.
I don't mind waiting, but just worried that it went into spam or something
woven delta
If a small group of friends plan to play together, but a pair of players are interested in the same class, are those people at a disadvantage vs each having a unique base class?
Can a full party have duplicate base classes without suffering for it
urban gulch
Not enough information about the classes yet to determine that. @woven delta
slow meadow
Don't know but I'd treat it like any professional job application and give it up to a couple weeks. Also not sure about Intrepid but sometimes you don't here back. @subtle swan
faint plover
what if I'm an elf and a friend has a dwarf. Everyone wants to start playing on their gateway but then we would like to play together. will it be difficult to meet if there are no portals? and how will it be quests?
vernal swallow
Will there be action targeted combat skills available for us when we play as monsters during monster coin events?
slow meadow
@faint plover you can all start at the same divine gateway if you want. If not you could meet up later but that would take some effort due to no fast travel and the size of the map.
faint plover
I thought I was a story player and that's why I want to start as an elf at the elven starting gate. but friends start at the human gateway. I know I can start where I want. but I wondered if we could meet later. or we must stick to our quests at our gates
hollow elm
@simple ether I could remember @idle siren saying there are going to be world items that would have life time on being able to use, or it was world items that can not be repaired, you know anything about this? I know there's going to be life time mounts but I'm sure there was a moment somewhere in either same stream or other that he mentioned about world items such as swords
crystal beacon
As a blacksmith/crafter, can I supply armor for a mount?
azure panther
mmm yes charging that one lucky sob every cent he has for the materials for his precious legendary would be pretty nice
hollow elm
I remember him specifically saying world item vs legendary, there's a difference
verbal sandal
Any theories on what a scribe does?
azure panther
buff scrolls are the age old mmo response, Id really love to see some sort of recipe/plan manufacturing involved though
seeing as its been mentioned you can deconstruct everything to learn recipes if scibes played a part in that it could be really unique
eternal wraith
i'd think they'd write books and knowledge for libraries, where you can only gain certain things from there.
plain pumice
I bet it they would be able to copy blueprints and sell them
azure panther
that seems kinda detrimental but something like that yea
plain pumice
Well it probably wouldn't be very easy, and I am certain theyd have to gather materials to make the copies, the difficulty of which would be determined by what the blueprint was for, but it seems reasonable that one way the market can be provided with blueprints, which clearly everyone at some level will need at some point, is to have a scribe copy them
azure panther
yeah I instantly thought raid boss day1, some lucker gets an insane new recipe, nek minnut theres 100 copies floating around, but im sure they could make it work
eternal wraith
They would prob limit that if that is the case. like 1 high-tier copy a week or something
azure panther
true a timed CD would make sense
plain pumice
Well the kicker would be if they scribe said no. Which it seems totally plausible that scribes may turn it down, either because they have too little experience, don't want to get the materials required, or want to purposely short the market
I don't know if that would be an intended mechanic, but it could be a result.
azure panther
kinda thinking they could make a book they then sell to say a blacksmith that already knows the recipe and they can then replicate it
eternal wraith
Could always go to another nodes that lacks scribes and sell higher there
plain pumice
Exactly.
Say you come to me, and tell me you need a BP copied and the resources required are readily available. I may make the copy or even two, but there may be no guarantee of me giving you one. I may send it on a caravan to make 10 times the profit in another node, where the resources are locked out.
eternal wraith
omg, i hope scribes can write propaganda, so we can make fueds and instigate wars
plain pumice
Unfortunately I think a mechanic like that would get abused with filth and graffiti
It would just become a venue to propogate NSFW stuff in game
eternal wraith
ya, you're right.
unless you could choose from a slection based on intent. Like challenge letters, notices of invasion, etc
plain pumice
Ya if the selection and intent was limited, that would be a cool scribe mechanic
azure panther
yeah scribes can write up mayoral petitions to get a mayor ousted before his time if all the citizens sign it
eternal wraith
oh, why isn't there a suggestion channel
azure panther
and it would be 95% stuff they have planned just havent talked about lol
eternal wraith
either way, i really look forward to scribe job. i wanna fill a library.
if i get land it will be a library
azure panther
its got a lot of potential, ill still be going full cook so i can run my over tavern 😄
hardy hamlet
call my library the smut house, jk
eternal wraith
Wadesan, if you can name it, i think you could go, "Collection of Rare and Exotic Materials".
plain pumice
To be honest, my biggest concern is actually the looting the system. Ive never enjoyed loot that when dropped, the fastest person in the party to pick it up, dictates how its used, or who it belongs to. Which is usually themselves.
Ive also never enjoyed systems where valuable pieces are dictated by party leaders on something like boss drops. Systems like those don't create a fair and impartial system, and valuable loot gets handed to those who are the best friends leader.
D3 had a cool mechanic where when a boss died, everyone got their own pile of loot, that was invisible to everyone else.
eternal wraith
anyone know if free buildings/land will show up on the node map?
azure panther
@simple ether I thought they had already confirmed both need/greed and masterloot mechanics
hardy hamlet
Life was never the same after the lusty argonian maid.
plain pumice
Hmm maybe I missed that, the last ama I saw kind of hinted at that, but I didn't see confirmation
hardy hamlet
Is that a confirmed thing? Can you write books in this game?
eternal wraith
information so far for scribes is they write history. so that's the closest we have
plain pumice
I guess I just don't enjoy the idea the prospect of another player being able to dictate what I get in loot, at any level. Whether its they pick it up the fastest, or dictate need/greed
azure panther
write or rewrite 😛
eternal wraith
rogue, u and i think alike. 🙂
It's frustrating to take down a boss to have someone outside party come and take all the loot. Hope they can prevent that.
didn't they mention loot will be depending on how much percent damage you did? or somethign
plain pumice
It will determine looting rights
If I remember correctly
Tagging and % damage done
hardy hamlet
Yeah loot tables in dungeons were dependent on skill lvl / clear speed
eternal wraith
i hope healers balance well in that
azure panther
yeah i know they mentioned 60/40 damage on target the 60% would get the look
plain pumice
But it doesn't determine, once that is determined, who will get what loot, if any, and how it will be divided
azure panther
loot*
plain pumice
Ya in a lot of games, range based classes always get the short stick because theyre the farthest away when the loot is dropped
plain pumice
Yes if neither of the parties tag it, however it seemed like if you tagged it, your percentage of damage threshold would be much lower to attain the same looting rights, whereas a competing party who didn't tag it would have to overcome that through sheer dps
hardy hamlet
I assume you just have to group with decent people. I was in a guild that used a smart system for raiding. In it you bid on items with gold and highest bidder won, however the smart part was that all the gold at the end of raid was split evenly across the group. That way even if you cant afford something you still get gold from it, so the more you raid the better chance you have at getting something. Rare drops always gave big payouts due to bidding wars, it was sweet.
azure panther
yea GDKP is still rife in wow classic, plenty of people still use it 😛
hardy hamlet
It would be hype if they implemented a system hosted version of it.
azure panther
it is something thats heavily supported by addons in wow, addons that we wont have in ashes
molten needle
Anyone know if NPC followers have been discussed?
ruby swift
@azure panther The 60/40 thing is in relation to two different groups contesting a mob for loot.
azure panther
yeah, he ment loot distribution after the fact not during the fight, I wasnt sure.
ruby swift
@molten needle You may be able to hire npcs to work on your freehold (not confirmed) There is no plan to have npc followers like some games (FF14) that take adventuring roles.
molten needle
@ruby swift thanks for the response. Hmmm. I've really enjoyed that aspect from other games. I see.
ruby swift
@azure panther Also was meant for exp, not looting rights.
azure panther
Interesting thanks.
crystal beacon
@azure panther they talked about that as one of the looting systems
real sleet
Do we know which classes will be in A1 from the start?
wanton cosmos
@real sleet we know that atleast archer, mage, tank, and medic. It's probably going to have fighter and bard, but summoner is not going to be in alpha 1. Rogue I have no idea about.
real sleet
Thanks!
reef osprey
5/8 at the beginning of the alpha
all of them by the end
near horizon
will you be able to place buy orders in the auction house/market place?
brittle ferry
If I understand your question, your asking if you'll be able to request a purchase order, like say 100 stone as an example at such n such price?
brittle ferry
There is an EU site, has been for some time but they have the ability to purchase from that website locked at the moment
sly monolith
thx
brittle ferry
If you're looking to purchase you can do so with the NA site and you'll have the ability to transfer later
@near horizon
So I believe that's a yes to your original question
brittle ferry
Of course, no problem
near horizon
oh man, this has me pretty hyped. The system is fine without buy orders but having them is such an ease of access
odd goblet
quick question, i hear that the rogue can find secret doors, i think its only the main 8 that are gonna have different abilities right? and do we know what the others will have? and will the tank and cleric have anything since u cant really have a party without them?
low lantern
Cleric has an ability to cleanse toxic clouds, its been shown on a couple different streams
If you run through it without cleansing it, it acts like a dot
brittle ferry
And they're talking of abilities for all the classes that can be utilized in things like dungeons.
We don't know all of them, that's for sure
low lantern
And yes all 8 base archetypes will have something
low lantern
Mage had something like dispelling a magic door but that was a couple years ago
brittle ferry
And the floating bit, yeah I remember that
low lantern
Ranger had a track that put footprints on the ground that led to quest objectives I think
Not sure what is still on though
In
supple wing
Is the Battle Royal mode just a test for the combat and the engine? They arent working on two different games right>
civic terrace
Is the Battle Royal mode just a test for the combat and the engine? They arent working on two different games right>
@supple wing Correct
supple wing
Okay also, with action combat the bane of my existence is animation cancelling, is that a thing in AoC?
civic terrace
no one knows other than Steven himself
brittle ferry
Well they're attempting a hybrid combat system including tab target and action
civic terrace
what we know thought is that auto-hit is going to be an additional "skill", so you have to use that always do maximize damage i suppose
supple wing
Like imma use ESO as an example
supple wing
LA>BLOCK>ABILITY>BLOCK to animation cancel, and it takes I dunno the satisfaction out of the combat because it doesnt feel reflective?
civic terrace
i think my friend said it got fixed
supple wing
It was a bug they kept
becuase the community liked it because it gatekept new players from the game
supple wing
Thas gonna be a question I am going to ask during the next Q AN A
civic terrace
doubt they will tell you anything
other than the usual for any combat related question
brittle ferry
It's been asked and answered several times already, they are testing a hybrid system currently that is subject to change
civic terrace
supple wing
If it goes into Alpha Q4 2020 (which might be delayed cause of the rona.) Thinking maybe 2022 release date?
civic terrace
Don't think covid will further delay, there would be other reasons but hopefully not.
don't assume any release date, just wait. I have been following since their first video on YT, there is no point. 
supple wing
Im sorry, its just AOC has potential to bring another surge to the MMo Market
civic terrace
it does, that is why we are all here
supple wing
Like it could have the effect WoW had on the MMo market, and bring forth more games for us to play and competition. WoW is like WWE right now. No competition so they are just coasting and doing w/e they want really.
hallow pond
hm its strange, i get differents prices i think from this website https://accounts.ashesofcreation.com/shop
oops my bad, chat wasnt scrolled down
faint plover
Will the number of Metropolis on the server be limited?
torn heart
5 i think @faint plover i have a vague memory of Jahlon mentioned that? i might be wrong so dont quote me on this
faint plover
Lol
torn heart
yes 5, according to Ashes wiki
faint plover
Thank you
shut shoal
If a ZOI gets enough exp to go from wilderness to encampent and there are 3 possible nodes in that ZOI. How does it decide which of those 3 nodes gets to grow?
And to add another question ontop of the first one. If all 3 possible nodes are of different kinds aswell, how do you exact influence so a military one grows in that ZOI?
tulip hatch
The ZOI is the area of a specific node it only attributes to 1 node
shut shoal
So a ZOI can never contain more than one possible node?
After watching a couple of videos I got the impression a ZOI could contain more than one possible node
shut shoal
Is there a link to that picture with some explanation text?
tulip hatch
When the node grows its zone of influence grows and the smaller nodes become its vassals
forest pike
Remember zoi is not necessarily a circle
tulip hatch
So as it grows more nodes will be under its influence
shut shoal
I am pretty familiar with the node system once you actually have an encampment or higher, my question was just when it goes from wilderness to an actual node
frigid edge
@forest pike True, but it was the easiest example pic I could find.
tulip hatch
Its zone is only for itself initially then it grows and makes its neighboring nodes unable to develop
shut shoal
Ok, I got you now. So basicly ZOI = node at wilderness stage
crystal beacon
Is aoc ever gonna be 1 time payment instead of subscriptions?
tulip hatch
Yes the zoi is always for a node even at level 0
ruby swift
@crystal beacon nothing is ever certain, but that one has a high chance of never happening.
crystal beacon
Yikes
frigid edge
I think their business model is incredibly fair compared to current standards
tulip hatch
@crystal beacon like purchasing the game?
Unlikely but nothing other than sub has been mentioned
crystal beacon
Yes like purchasing
Or like subscriptions for a year?
sub model is fine... with no p2w keeps the development going
@sly monolith I can’t afford that
sly monolith
then your doing something wrong m8 in life
tulip hatch
Different sub options havent been mentioned but that one is more of a possibility
Best to ask in a livestream Q&A
Please don't have discussions here
crystal beacon
then your doing something wrong m8 in life
@sly monolith I just found a job im not rich
ruby swift
There are no plans to make the game b2p. From inception they have stated that the monetization was going to be sub only with cosmetic only cash shop. You can have an opinion on what you like vs others. Won't change. But since weird stuff happens, gotta leave that smallest wiggle room.
crystal beacon
Aigh
full parrot
Hello, first of all sorry for my bad english i will try my best ^^ I have been watching videos about the game, I understand that it is still in an alpha and I wanted to ask about the movement of the character. How does movement and combat feel when you are playing? Feels very static very hampered by abilities, basic attacks? The feeling I've had from watching the videos has been that it feels quite hampered. Are there any plans to polish this system?
ruby swift
The movement and combat is not finalized. It will be changed greatly (hopefully for the better) by launch.
full parrot
Thanks for the reply. In this case, do we know anything about how this system is going to be oriented? I mean more dynamic like Guildwars 2 or more static like World of Warcraft?
hallow pond
prays for more dynamic
unique steeple
I know might be too early but do we already know what the next PreOrder Addon Packs will be? I really want to get Alpha and Beta Keys but this Voyager Pack isnt looking good imo
frozen tartan
We will know a couple of days before it changes
If these are not to your taste you should indeed wait. Test-access keys will not be withdrawn without notice 🙂
unique steeple
Ye sure, thanks ill wait and on the Article it says that the current Pack is available until 2nd Sept
errant chasm
@crystal beacon u have well over 2 years till the game gets out of beta and if the sub is too expensive depending where u live they have reduced sub costs in like brazil for example but u get locked to that server as long as u have the reduced sub
fair yew
@full parrot right now the plan is to be hybrid action and tab combat but if they can’t get it to feel right it will go to tab
full parrot
Ty @fair yew , Do they have a mailbox where we help they to get more references so that we can help they make decisions?
errant chasm
@full parrot if im understanding what ur saying like a suggestion box? if ur in the alphas or betas im sure they have access to those types of communication if you dont the discord would be the way to get ur view across
spiral pine
There is a forum on their website
full parrot
ok ty ^^
trail oyster
Do we know when Alpha 2 is expected to hit?
full badger
No official date given. Community estimations are for next year @trail oyster
trail oyster
Reasonable. Thank you :>
full badger
no worries
shut geode
Is there any any estimates to actual launch?
odd goblet
most ppl r saying 2022 😦
shut geode
Yeah i have hopes for 2021. but im expecting 2022
full badger
Community estimates are 2-3 years till full release
odd goblet
can never be 2021, alpha is gonna be end 2020 early 2021, then there is beta
spiral pine
yeah i dont expect the alpha and beta periods to be short
odd goblet
also like half of the classes we know nothing about 😦
errant chasm
a2 wont even start till at least q2 of next year at this rate then we got beta 1 and 2 id be surprised if we get a full release before 2023
desert ivy
The betas won't be long in comparison to the alphas
Alphas are the long phases. Betas will be pretty short.
hallow pond
could you give an aprox time windows for eachs plz?
desert ivy
No because there is none
errant chasm
we have no idea could be 6+ months each for all we know
desert ivy
We dont know. The only thing we've been told is that the betas are shorter than the alphas.
hallow pond
aww ok
desert ivy
I'm easily expecting 6+ months for alphas. But honestly, stuff like beta 2 I'm expecting to be short as fuck. Like 1 or 2 months short.
errant chasm
think we'd be lucky if thats the case but that still puts release q2-3 of 2022 if not right into 2023 since a2 becomes ptr and stays open till release
unique steeple
@trail oyster no exact date but Fall 2020
errant chasm
@unique steeple your thinking alpha 1, nda on a1 wont be lifted till after fall either a2 isnt till at least q2-q3 next year
unique steeple
Oh really i thought its Alpha 2, my Bad
dim shuttle
Have Braver of Worlds or Leader of Men Kickstarter tiers been invited to Alpha 1 yet?
full badger
leader of men backers should have received emails by now. Dunno about braver of worlds
crisp holly
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Release_schedule
Full A1 will not have an NDA
errant chasm
they just did an update saying nda wont be lifted till after fall @crisp holly
crisp holly
Like today?\
errant chasm
like last week at some point steven did an update
only the start will have an nda
nda gone after fall
full badger
I'm looking for the quote, hold on
errant chasm
it was after the new pack got released to the store im just not sure exactly where it was said but it was a link to their version of the release schedule not the wiki 1
quiet nexus
hello what is the date of the next stream about the development update ?
full badger
Dev livestreams are usually on the last friday or saturday of the month @quiet nexus
@errant chasm @crisp holly This is the only quote I can find from Steven regarding NDA in the past month https://discordapp.com/channels/256164085366915072/256164085366915072/735419826012553236
serene dock
Thinking back to WoW many years ago, you had to purchase training to use weapons and armor that you didn't start with. Is there gonna be the same or are you going to be able to use any weapon/armor right off the bat?
storm veldt
Is there any info about threat mechanics? I could only find that threat will be important, but nothing else
full badger
@serene dock No details on that yet.
serene dock
Oki
full badger
@storm veldt threat will be a mechanic in combat but we have no details on it yet
steady ocean
Threat will be called "hatred" @storm veldt The tank primary archetype has skills that generate hatred (as well as the tank secondary) https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Hatred
storm veldt
thanks, i'm kinda anxious about their approach to it
woeful vector
I wish it was called salt instead of hatred...
steady ocean
that's what tanks generate against players, hatred is against NPCs @woeful vector
crisp holly
@full badger That is what I thought, which goes with what the Wiki currently says, but I will be keeping my eye out for any other quotes that say anything different
Thanks
full badger
no worries
wicked elbow
So, I only need 3 characters to cover all professions?( Leaving aside the time it takes me to master them all.)
steady ocean
We don't even know if the devs have announced all the professions @wicked elbow
tulip hatch
They have not
crisp holly
You'll need more than that as a gatherer will not be able to master all of the different kinds of gathering
etc
But we've got very little info on them right now sadly :p
wicked elbow
Gathering is a parent artisan path, along with processing and crafting. Within each of the three parent paths lies different professions. You may only ever master one parent path. But you may spend time mastering each profession within the parent artisan path. From Wiki
full badger
Right now we don't know exactly how many different professions a single character can Master, so it's impossible to tell how many characters you'd need to cover mastery of every profession
ruby swift
@full badger This one is newer.
full badger
huh, I didn't see what one, when is it from?
steady ocean
It's basically what Steven has said before as far as I'm aware. Alpha 1 - phase 2 will launch in "late fall" and that is when the NDA will be lifted.
ruby swift
Last week or something
Would have to check
Was noticed because of the "end of" is important
thorn bison
full badger
Saved for later use, thanks Unknown
crisp holly
Thanks
ruby swift
I do like my Steven quotes.
errant chasm
knew i wasnt crazy just didnt know where i saw it
fleet rock
will ashes of creation fall into the same trap of making all their animations overly bright and annoying like FF14. I understand you can turn this down, but when it's what makes up the animation turning this down makes it boring as it isn't built upon the particles and what not
steady ocean
We will have a better idea during Alpha 1 and Alpha 2 @fleet rock
full badger
right now the particle effects are intentionally turned up for testing, but will be tuned down later on
fleet rock
hmm ok i was watching some of their dev blogs and the combat did seem that if there was more than 2 players there fighting you wouldn't be able to see what's going on
mighty dew
Bizzare question, will slime creatures (
) be in the game, they are my fav fantasy creatures, and have appear in many gamers, but most mmorpg avoid them. so i was just wondering if the game will have them or something similar to them
full badger
We don't have a full list of creatures in the game, so maybe, but they haven't shown us any slime monster so far
mighty dew
oh okay, finger crossed, i really like them so i can only hope
scarlet skiff
mighty dew
most of the mmorpg i have played (ESO, Archage, etc) except in Realm of the mad god
they mostly appear in solorpg: Zelda as Chuchu
in terraria, minecraft, stardew valley
unreal zealot
dragon quest as well >;o
full badger
btw guys, friendly reminder that this channel is for questions and answers. Having extra discussion on top of that clogs up the channel and makes it harder to answer the actual questions. Please use the #aoc-discussion and #general-discussion channels for discussions
lapis sonnet
They say only one profession can fully be MASTERED although every profession can be progressed. (Answering am earlier question)
spiral sphinx
Hey all, did the devs say anything about how big impact secondary archetypes will have on the primary? For example could I be a viable healer as a Rogue-Cleric, or should I expect only some self heals and sustain?
lapis sonnet
Self and sustain with a little mini heal otherwise. You’ll basically be a pocket sustainer
steady ocean
secondary archetypes only augment your primary skills, not grant you new ones. For example, a Rogue-cleric may grant you lifesteal to your attacks. But you wouldnt be able to heal others directly @spiral sphinx
So they will certainly have an impact and could change your overall game play in interesting ways.
spiral sphinx
Thanks for the answer. So this means if I want to be a viable healer, I have to pick Cleric as primary, right?
steady ocean
If you want to be the group's primary healer, depending on the situation (such as a hard dungeon or raid), you may need to be a cleric. But there will be spots for off-healers as well such as a bard/maybe a summoner
crisp holly
Granted picking Cleric as your secondary will give you 4 different paths to augment(that we don't know) your Primary. At least that is what we have been told so far.
lapis sonnet
Soooo, I’m seeing that each race has a pair of what it can be...(EG) humans the Kalar or the Vaelune. One focuses kinda like French architecture and the other kinda Arabian ish. So the question is...if Kalar Humans control and give the most XP to the node can will it be the French architecture? If the Vaelune do will it be Arabian? Like does your “type” of human matter or is it just your race itself?
full badger
Each sub-race has its own architectural style
steady ocean
For example, the Dunir sub-race of dwarves is completely different than the Nikua, and that would be demonstrated in the architecture.
lapis sonnet
Ya...and the question was, if a Dunir dwarf contributed most would it have a different perspective to the node than the Nokia
steady ocean
yes
ruby swift
There are varying quotes on the length of time since the races left Verra. I go with 10k. Imagine how different humans would be if they split into two separate groups 10k years ago.
steady ocean
I actually covered this on my stream yesterday as I reviewed one of the older architecture showcase videos the devs did. Take a look at the official video the devs put out https://youtu.be/P2-swmpaW8Y?t=1687
It shows the progression of node buildings at different stages based on the various races (and sub-races, the Nikua in particular)
lapis sonnet
Seeet, gives the game a bit of a different feeling knowing each subclass of a race has their own type of gameplay and really makes who you are matter more.
🔥 ty for the info tavern
cedar flare
Was wondering if anyone knows if there are any streamer and content creation assets available? PNG Images, Icons,logos,banners, etc.
oak wedge
there is almost nothing , but with some photoshop you can make yours pretty easily
steady ocean
The official content creator program is being revamped currently. Something may be available once it is renewed.
cedar flare
Hope so, would be nice to have a #channel with some basic assets that the community can use to spice up their streams/videos
ruby swift
They have a content creator channel where they have resources. It is locked to those with green names.
violet shard
might be too early to ask, but is there plans to release APIs to be used by add-ons and tools on release?
crisp holly
Steven has been against add-on
reef osprey
Addons are evil, no addons
crisp holly
The game is what you get
violet shard
why are add-ons evil? lol
crisp holly
which hopefully will not be lacking
violet shard
when i say add-ons, i'm thinking about dps bars, for example.
reef osprey
DPS Meters are evil
desert ivy
DPS metres are one of the ones he's most against lul
violet shard
dps meters have been incredibly useful to me in the past so i could gauge if i'm doing well or not.
reef osprey
Add-ons telling you what the boss will do and how to deal with it -> evil
steady ocean
No, the devs are against addons and releasing the majority of their API's info. Some web hooks may be possible, but not known at this time @violet shard
reef osprey
@violet shard you can gauge that without Add-ons
ruby swift
might be too early to ask, but is there plans to release APIs to be used by add-ons and tools on release?
@violet shard They have said they have no plans to release the API into the wild. While there are legitimate uses for it, there are also bad actors.
errant quiver
@violet shard if you're winning, you're doing well.
full badger
Steven has said there will be no addons, no dps meters and no API available to the players. If you want to talk more about it, please go to #aoc-discussion
desert ivy
If you wanna talk about DPS metres, you can go to this thread with 1.6k comments https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/45612/dps-meter-megathread#latest
reef osprey
@violet shard
time to start parsing again, like in old school mmos
violet shard
i can do that
it's just the long way for the same result
but thanks for the info guys, i'll read the thread
reef osprey
i wouldn't read that thread, its a salt mine
terse glen
will buying the Wayfarers package give you access only to beta 2? right before release?
ashen vault
I told some of my current MMO friends about Ashes of Creation and they are excited and would like to join the discord channel. But I am unsure how to help them with that. How do I help them join the Ashes of Creation Discord?
steady ocean
That is correct @terse glen Access to the Beta 2
terse glen
there's no TBD date yet?
keen cliff
Click the invite button on the left, by the 3 dots
steady ocean
No @terse glen
reef osprey
@ashen vault right click the discord icon
Invite People
Copy It
send it to them
terse glen
😦
ashen vault
Do you mean the little icon that looks like an Xbox controller or the AOC Phoenix emblem?
terse glen
so if you want to play now, you'll have to pay the 375$ USD right?
desert ivy
No you cant play now
$375 gives you access to alpha 2 which is sometime next year most likely
steady ocean
@ashen vault You can share this link with them https://discord.gg/zzZ3HZE
reef osprey
@terse glen 375 will be to gain access in alpha 2, which is like a year out
reef osprey
possibility more, possibiliy less - depends on testing progress
terse glen
thank you, i'll keep this game on my Watch list, i have much hype for this game TBH
cedar flare
Hey all....I found this on the forums in response to my question. It is an old press and media kit if any of you would like it 😉
ashen vault
Thank you. One more question, which fighter class would be the closest to a monk class in EQ2?
onyx knoll
hard to say considering we have 0 info on how the secondary augments will affect primary skills
steady ocean
It's hard to say, as so far we do not know what the secondary archetype augments do. You can theorycraft though https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Classes and https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Archetypes
icy monolith
hi guys i'm new at the discord .. as a healer main when it comes to looting system can the healer get less or something.. ive watched the stream ,,on how your damage to the boss can get you percentage on the loot
steady ocean
It's based on your party's damage, not personal damage. There is no personal loot, so it depends on how your group determines they want to split loot @icy monolith
desert ivy
There isn't any hand-to-hand classes in Ashes
So if that's what you want, you're not gonna get it
steady ocean
Think of a master looter or party looter system
mighty dew
So no monk class?
crisp holly
icy monolith
@steady ocean ooh sweeet
steady ocean
Monks in D3 use staves, it really depends on how you as a player choose to play to fullfil that "role/class". Nothing besides the groups you play with stops you from wearing simple robes, use staves, and primarily do only divine node related stuff for example to fit that "monk" idea @ashen vault
crisp holly
That is what we have right now
cold dune
How much more Fine tuning will be done with the combat system?
cold dune
I’m not expecting no BDO combat but hopefully it’s just better then eso combat
proven root
dont expect anything anywhere as fast as bdo combat
crisp holly
Combat is planned to be a Hybrid action/tab style and Steven has said that he intends it to be a good system as it is the one that is interacted with the most by the most people
cold dune
@proven root I’m not I just want it to be smoother than eso haha
That’s all it has to be
fleet rock
i think the combat is based upon synergies or something where you press 1 ability and that makes you do more damage with the next one if done right
i think?
crisp holly
That sounds right and they also plan it so that you will want to work with other people. IE fighter uses fire and mage does too so the fire damage might stack(fire ball does more damage to enemies already on fire)
cobalt ore
Do we know if ranged combat is just calculated like how WoW works i.e. the damage is simply calculated when cast and the actual projectile is meaningless or will it have some kind of skill component and the projectiles be real physical objects? My first MMO Asheron's Call treated spells and arrows as real objects and the pvp combat that evolved from that became a really interesting and fun to play and master.
crisp holly
The current combat isn't set right now as they are looking at both hit scan and distanced based projectiles. Due to the combat being a hybrid of action and tab, there is a chance that depending on the skills/spells. They could be either way. @cobalt ore
cobalt ore
Different topic, new to AoC so not up to date on past news but did Intrepid ever talk about how Covid affected their development?
cosmic bluff
I see that Ashes of Creation: Apocalypse had a progression system that involved the ability to earn cosmetics and things that translate over to the main game once it is released. Is there any information on if when AoC:A returns with castle siege that it will be the same ones to earn and progress with, or new ones? Personally I didn't even hear about AoC:A so didn't get a chance to earn them first time around.
dark jungle
we dont know if the same rewards will be present when apoc returns
cosmic bluff
Ok thank you! I'll probably submit it as a livestream question sometime then and see
ruby swift
desert ivy
Apoc is dead
vernal swallow
What's the penalty for dying in the game in general, other than loss of items?
fleet rock
think br is going to be a gamemode like battlegrounds?
spiral pine
no
fleet rock
don't re-invent the mmo wheel i guess
ruby swift
There is exp debt for any death. You can't delevel from it, but the more you accrue it can impact your stats.
Loss of crafted items only comes into play when corrupted. A varying percentage based on flagging state when killed applies to gathered and processed materials.
hallow pond
and loosing item from siege too
unborn sonnet
I've checked the wiki and watched a decent amount of the videos available I think, but haven't found anything other than the "comfortable number" for an answer
Anyone have an idea if we will get 9 character slots so we can have one of each race? More than the number of classes I know, so might be 8?
ruby swift
No, no one knows more than that quote.
unborn sonnet
thanks
frosty orbit
when will we see more oceanic/coastal info?
fleet rock
there's already been some on a dev livestream
not much tho just some rocks and swimming
ruby swift
You mean in game? When they are ready to release it. There are many different teams working on various things. When they get to a point that they feel comfortable with, we see them usually.
fleet rock
oh you asked for more i'm a idiot nevermind
plain pumice
I have a question on looting mechanics. Are there going to be drops that are player-specific? As in, I kill a monster, and no one around me can hijack that loot?
ruby swift
Yes in that case. There is not individual loot in the way that other games do it that if you tag a boss you get your own little selection of loot. They could however just wait for you to loot it, then kill you and take a % of what you are carrying.
steady ocean
Only you will be able to loot it if you did the most damage. If you are in a party you will need to decide amongst your group how it will be split, as there is no personal loot in a group setting.
plain pumice
Im not a huge fan of that mechanic to be honest, because loot split is almost never impartial or fair. It would be hard to want to put what could potentially be game-changing loot, into the hands of a single individual to decide how to split it up. Someone always gets the short end of the stick and it creates disenfranchisement.
steady ocean
Be that as it may, that's one of the systems we know about. Master loot/party loot settings
plain pumice
Like why did I even join this raid if I don't get anything useful out of it because the party leader took the loot for himself or gave it to his friends
ruby swift
There will be various options to choose from. If a group is using a method you don't like, then don't group with them.
steady ocean
There could be additonal systems at launch, but don't expect personal loot like in wow from bosses.
crystal zealot
if u are not playing for clan with the loot you are doing something wrong
in pvpx game
plain pumice
Well right, Im just making a point on a system that is easily abused
crystal zealot
no one is going to be clanless in end game
steady ocean
It's a good topic to discuss for sure, feel free to bring it up in #aoc-discussion and see what others think.
hallow pond
hm, poeple loose gear on death? i though it was only about the criminals type of guys
ruby swift
Those with high enough levels of corruption have a chance of losing gear. Anyone loses gathered and processed materials.
plain pumice
Is there a way, or is it too late, to get in on alpha testing?
oak depot
@plain pumice Alpha 2 yes, not Alpha 1 currently
plain pumice
How would I do that @oak depot ?
oak depot
@plain pumice https://accounts.ashesofcreation.com/shop
ruby swift
Yes, if you are picking flowers or carrying iron bars, you will lose a % based on flagging state for any death. Pvp or Pve.
plain pumice
So what I buy a pack and get the client?
hallow pond
only if i flag then correct?
hallow pond
o ok, thank you for claification
ruby swift
Gone are the days of suiciding to avoid penalties or as a way to respawn travel. It will not be worth it from a time sink value.
oak depot
Hi @idle siren, I hear you are bored this exact second and looking to answer a question and break up the monotony of looking at spreadsheets, so can you spare a moment to clarify if we have a final list yet of the known Elements / Elemental Influences? Wiki claims Air, Fire, Water, Lightning will have their own resistances but also mentions the possible existence of Darkness, Light and Planar. Hope you are having a great day, thanks. ❤️
real sleet
Interesting. Air AND Lightning? And no earth?
steady ocean
Ain't no one afraid of a little mud
oak depot
some folks in forum calling out for addition of "Nature"... which will be akin to your 'earth'... will see if they add it.
crystal beacon
what is the difference in the Tab target combat and the Action combat
whole ocean
one is targeted, cannot miss, the other has to be aimed and it can miss
desert ivy
So to compensate, tab target will do less damage usually and only has soft cc, whereas action will do more damage and have hard cc
ionic eagle
this isnt really specific to Ashes of Creation but more on the GDPR requirements. I have a guild that has NA and EU members and we are building our own site and hosting it ourselves. We want to be compliant with GDPR but when we read through it, it seems like you need about a dozen degrees in law and another half dozen in EU law to understand it. What do we need to do to keep our members data safe and be compliant with GDPR?
crystal beacon
so for mages in a large scale battle it will be better to use action targeting to cover the most damage
spiral pine
just contact a lawyer who specializes in stuff like that
ionic eagle
i mean we are a guild we dont have thousands of $$ to get someone to do that...
whole ocean
so for mages in a large scale battle it will be better to use action targeting to cover the most damage
@crystal beacon It sort of depends on how good you are at aiming, but also, a targeted stun will usually be better and more reliable then an aimed one, so there is a balance there.
slow meadow
@ionic eagle I'll pm you a link for a article by GoDaddy for practical steps you can take.
spiral pine
set up a donation thing so you can eventually do that then
crystal beacon
@whole ocean yeah i can see that in certain situations either one may be more suitable for that occasion, thanks for the clarification!
whole ocean
Yes, specifically when it comes to targets that are hiding behind other enemies, like you wanna blow up the back line, your aimed skills might hit the tanks in front of them instead of your desired target.
full scroll
Anyone else unable to log on to the forums?
steady ocean
They are working for me, but my account is already logged in.
grim venture
I feel like this is a very very very important question..... Can you equip cloak or capes like in wow? 😂
steady ocean
Yes
steady ocean
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Cloaks @grim venture for some concept art for capes/cloaks
grim venture
Omg that cloak looks amazing!!!
It's no longer obtainable right?
Ah yeah it's no longer obtainable... I'll definitely be on the lookout for those cloaks then
steady ocean
A lot of those cosmetics are no longer available, but there may be possibilities of reskins later on.
hallow pond
im confused, will there be 1) cloth light medium heavy armor or 2) light medium heavy armor?
half apex
cloth, light, medium and heavy
crisp holly
There will be Light, Medium, and Heavy armor. Cloth, leather, and Metal
hallow pond
2 differents answers xD
crisp holly
@hallow pond
hallow pond
@crisp holly great 3 types then thanks Explo, cloth medium and heavy
half apex
expand it
steady ocean
That means you can mix/match your gear
half apex
you can get 4 different bonuses, but there are 3 main types
steady ocean
You can get "set effects" by using same armor types. For example, a small health boost for using 4 plate pieces (not real, just an example), and maybe some spell dmg mitigation for having 2 cloth armor pieces.
hallow pond
@half apex do we know what are the bonuses?
half apex
for each heavy armor pieces you get hp buff if you are a tank. for medium armor. you need a full medium set on you. you can't use anything else for the bonus. it's mana and hp bonus
light pieces gives you dmg bonus /piece
mighty dew
i think it depends on the class also, the clerics has a passive that gives
an Increases armor given by medium armor.[17]
Further increases armor given by medium armor.[17]
If medium armor worn in all slots gives a balance of health and mana less than the health given.[17]
But dont know if that applies appart from the set bonuses
half apex
cloth gives you mana bonus /piece
hallow pond
ok what Tavern said for hp side hm reading
half apex
@mighty dew what you say if an other bonus. What i said, are the basic, for each armor, these are not class bonuses. But each class will have an other bonus for a single type or armor
hallow pond
ok so as the classes are still a wip, we cannot predict all the bonus given by yet unknowned skll points.. + the bonus from gear set too hm
slow sluice
Can you upgrade packs in the shop?
half apex
we have limited info about bonuses Papageno.
so far each type have a bonus regardless of class, and each class have a better affinity for a single type, that can be looked at a s a selectable passive.
hallow pond
yes @half apex i understand. so in shrt, theres 3 base bonus regarding armor types being light medium and heavy, then sub category of cloth/light + skill points + gear
gotcha thank you
half apex
nvm
thick lagoon
question. kickstarter tier braver of worlds says you're invited to the alpha 1, earliest access to ashes. does that mean you're guaranteed invited to the upcoming tests?
onyx knoll
pretty sure, you should get an e-mail when they open the servers
thick lagoon
ok. i haven't upgraded yet. i'm just debating. i've heard only leader of men and above are getting in now. braver later on
primal solstice
The current test under nda?
errant chasm
yea and nda lasts till end of fall
crystal beacon
It has verbal nda?
errant chasm
full nda as far as we know
glad sleet
not afaik
i think you are allowed to talk about your experiences
cause shaze put his review up
desert ivy
No, that was just the end of may/start of june test
they can't talk about any recent ones
glad sleet
oh fairs
crystal beacon
Oh that explains it
errant chasm
end of fall we should have people making vids / streaming but even then it'll be limited only lvl 3 nodes max lvl 20 no secondary specs minimal professions ect
olive kraken
@idle siren would you consider reaching out to the creators of south park? 😄 with regards to the year 2020 i would assume southpark is going to make basicly a whole season about it, i would love to watch an episode for example in which the boys get forced into a lockdown reminissing about the empty void gaming has become and think about restarting world of warcraft but before they do it, they discover ashes of creation resulting in them dwelving right into it 😄 would be a great commercial act i believe and the creators of south park i assume would be quite interested in ashes itself ifff they havent heard about it already, much loove edited
viral meteor
Can't add a voice channel for Spanish?
plucky pawn
@viral meteor At the moment our languages here in Discord reflect the languages we are planning to support in-game! You can see those in our FAQ over here: https://discordapp.com/channels/256164085366915072/303329905758699523/720405025813430395
crystal beacon
When will be available the alpha 1?
onyx knoll
Around the end of fall
lunar pollen
And to be clear that is NOT the Alpha 2 persistent alpha right?
lunar pollen
Right so you mean I am correct?
onyx knoll
yes
lunar pollen
Ok
onyx knoll
sorry that was a confusing answer xD
craggy panther
@plucky pawn I input a ticket on July 29th regarding my upgrade to LoM and missing forum badge, I recived a reply on july 31st stating that due to high volumes it may be a a bit before they got to me. However now it has been two weeks since i input the ticket without a reponse. Was curious as to if i can get an ETA on a response time.
Thank you!
lunar pollen
which as far as I can tell is just "eventually" XD
onyx knoll
@lunar pollen correct, we don't have a date for A2, it'll depend on how the A1 testing goes
errant chasm
@lunar pollen at best we can hope for q2 of next year if were lucky
lunar pollen
Understandable, I knew what I was getting into lol
plucky pawn
@craggy panther you might have received another followup after that point about our higher ticket volumes again; our team is still cranking through those and will get to ya! 
we appreciate your patience in the meantime
craggy panther
ok sounds good, Thanks again
viral meteor
will improve the game's combat?
onyx knoll
Yes the combat is very much still being worked on
dreamy temple
yes. apocalypse was a small glimpse
it wasn’t too popular, so edits aren’t being made
we don’t know where it’s at atm
timid crest
Will there be distinction made between a casting staff and a combat staff?
unreal zealot
i think that would jsut be the stats put on the staff it's self maybe?
i dont think a staff it's self will have spell skills attached to it
steady ocean
@timid crest I do not believe so, as you can basic attack with a staff a mage will use
slow meadow
weapons do have skills. I don't know that they have expressly called out melee vs casting skills on them, but seems possible
deft dragon
wasn't that just for the APOC, not the MMO?
full badger
We've seen weapon skills used in the mmo by Steven
slow meadow
you see more details here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Weapons but that the weapon progression section mentions the skill and having different combinations, and its all been from comments specific to the mmo
deft dragon
ok reading here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Weapon_use_combo_system and this video reference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AeuqaELjFg&feature=youtu.be&t=1h07m51s it sounds like they will have a passive combat skill tree based on your chosen weapon with effects that show up when you use your basic weapon combo attack, but no active weapon skills per se?
steady ocean
That seems to be accurate as we will get skill points we can allocate. We will need to wait for Alpha1/2 to be sure though
deft dragon
every wiki link I click on for "weapon abilities", "combat skill tree", etc. all redirects to that weapon combo system page
onyx knoll
it's not super clear yet, I think we'll have to wait until alpha 1 to really get a good understanding, maybe even alpha 2
reef veldt
Will we be able to create more bestial looking Tulnar; like a werewolf or a Lizardmen Saurus?
onyx knoll
All we know about the Tulnar is that they will have some bestial traits but we don't know how much you'll be able to push those. It might be small things like clawed fingers, or it could be bigger things like scales/animal ears etc, so I unfortunately can't answer your question at this time. We'll need to wait until they release more concepts
steady ocean
@reef veldt There is some interesting concept art that gives us an idea of some possibilities
deft dragon
I heard that concept art was outdated but they haven't given us anything new yet so we're just in the dark
hearty dragon
So depending on the religion you pick will that decide who is ally or who is enemies? or is it just no allies or enemies in this game
onyx knoll
I heard that too, but can't find an official quote on it so maybe it's just a rumor, we'll see once they release more stuff
steady ocean
that will be decided by node/guild politics, and also personal enemies @hearty dragon
onyx knoll
@hearty dragon allies and enemies are mostly determined by player activities. A mayor might decide that a player (who isn't already a citizen of their node) becomes the enemy of his state, for example. There will also be some quests that have to do with the various organization, so like if you decide to join the Thieve's guild you might get quests that require you to go steal some documents from the Mage's academy, but I don't think it makes you an enemy of the other orgs, they won't attack you on sight as far as i know
steady ocean
There will be wars declared that will be out of your control, and dependent on guild/node leaders
This could make you appear as a combatant against enemy nodes/guilds even without flagging yourself (but a non-combatant to non-enemies)
onyx knoll
We don't have a lot of detail on the religions and how they'll interact with each other, I'm assuming it might have some small limitations, like you might not be able to use certain NPC vendors of an other religion, but I doubt it would be anything really big like a full on faction in other MMOs since Steven has said he didn't like clear cut factions like that
lost sorrel
Anyone will be able to acquire a freehold correct? Some will have it from Kickstarter and summer backer. others will need to purchase one in game right?
onyx knoll
correct, the ones the kickstarters and backers have are cosmetic skins only
they will need to aquire the base area and buildings in game like everyone else, but then they can make them fancy with pretty skins 😛
lost sorrel
Gotcha, even purchasing the Voyager Plus back in 2018 I only have a skin like the Kickstarters?
onyx knoll
yep
lost sorrel
TY
lost sorrel
For some reason I thought LoM had a freehold included in their pack
onyx knoll
it wasn't super clear initially, and they often forget to say "skin" when they're talking about some things in videos but they have assured us that everything is only cosmetic
lost sorrel
Regardless I only have Voyager Plus because the rock I was living under did not allow me to get in during backer or summer.....
onyx knoll
i feel you
lost sorrel
#feelsbad
onyx knoll
😔
viral meteor
I think there may be problems with the collision of the players
onyx knoll
feel free to discuss it in the appropriate channel ^^
median glade
Do we know if there will be any voiceover in quests?
slow meadow
Extremely limited voice over. Maybe in some key places but not much beyond that
reef osprey
@median glade they said that they will stay away from voice overs
close to none
cobalt ore
Do we know if they plan to have built in voip or will it be all text chat?
hushed girder
Do we know if there are secret location that only flying mounts can reach?
errant quiver
@simple ether One of the many features in FFXI that made the world feel very alive, and dangerous was the Undead spawning at night, Weather conditions triggering Elemental spawns, and Mobs ability to Detect, and Track players. (Magic cast aggro, sight, scent, sound, low hp, weakness, etc.) Will these be present in Ashes of Creation? Thanks!
slow meadow
@cobalt ore voip for groups but not proximity voice
@hushed girder possible but somewhat unlikely with the limited flight time and stated goals of flying mounts. Nothing concrete from the devs at this time though
@errant quiver there is a day night cycle and monsters will spawn at varying times of day. As for alternative behaviors I dont think anything specific has been mentioned at this time.
Weather will also play role in spawns as well as seasons which may effect elemental effects.
errant quiver
@simple ether One of the many features in FFXI that made the world feel very alive, and dangerous was the Undead spawning at night, Weather conditions triggering Elemental spawns, and Mobs ability to Detect, and Track players. (Magic cast aggro, sight, scent, sound, etc.) Will these be present in Ashes of Creation? Thanks!
@errant quiver https://clips.twitch.tv/RudePatientMuleCorgiDerp
half nova
Has anyone talked about the breadcrumb quest discussion on the AoC forums? I think it'll be awesome to have quests that don't tell us outright where to go
plucky pawn
@half nova some folks have been chatting about it down in #aoc-discussion - come join us down there to chat!
half nova
ahh kk, thx
charred sparrow
Will there be unique global trophies, cosmetics, or something similar to distinguish players that are the “firsts” of the game once it is fully released? For example, first player in the game to reach level 50 receives a special trophy for his/her freehold.
tranquil lily
is aoca ever going to come back?
slow meadow
@charred sparrow there will be achievements for world and server firsts and many others. They have stated there may be titles and cosmetics associated with achievements as well so its likely.
charred sparrow
Thank you Pharazon
brittle ferry
@tranquil lily aoca?
Apocalypse?
Not likely unless they need to test more aspects in that way again?
Alpha 1 is the big focus right now
!playtest
lyric monolith
will the enchanter class be someone who enchants weapons or armor to buff them, or someone who enchants people to mind control them?
fair kindle
probably could be both tbh
though more likely the second
the bard has the first i'm assuming
crystal beacon
Do we have the recommend specs?
steady ocean
@crystal beacon This is what is recommended for Alpha testers https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Alpha-1#Alpha_testing_system_requirements
So perhaps slightly better than that, though they should have a better idea closer to launch
crystal beacon
Thanks
teal bobcat
Will the world be flat or will it be like earth?
proper night
unsure yet if they are going to go with a globe map or flat map.
grand needle
Flat map is best
proper night
flat map would be best to allow them to add new content to it later on.
amber wharf
Since choosing our base class is such a permanent step in this game is there any plan release prior to launch for the community to be able to preview the skills and skill progression of each class or will that be something we need to focus on during the alpha and beta period of release
grand needle
Easier to navigate than trying to spin a globe to look at the other continent
proper night
i would most likely say you will get all your information for that within beta period. there is no NDA on i believe its alpha 2 and beyond, meaning everything on there will be public information.
lethal badger
Am i right or is the alpha 1 coming this month ?
plucky pawn
We're keeping the above link updated with the latest! 
lethal badger
Thank you toast !
coral raven
So, this is gonna be a weird question but was there a large WoW player presence during the alpha of New World? I ask because I saw they pushed the game.back a year and stripped its PvP in exchange for more pve focus and saw some YouTubers saying "WoW killer" which is always ridiculous. I'm asking cause I see a lot of WoW player suggestions in this community and it kind of worries me that they could try to shift the games focus away from PvP. I doubt Steven would listen but, who honestly knows for sure?
Sorry if this sounds rude I don't mean it that way.
lethal badger
Is there way to check how much i have earned from my referals and how much each referal has made ? And can i buy gametime with it
desert ivy
Referrals currently don't generate anything
But it's keeping track of who buys what using your referral
noble crater
@coral raven I think @idle siren has a pretty strong vision for the game, I doubt it would change away from PVP completely even in the worst case
unreal zealot
@coral raven the difference between amazon games and intrepid is one has investors and other parties interested (amazon) so changes are sometimes forced into the dev cycle, where as for intrepid its all privately funded for the majority so no one can tell steven to change his game unless he wanted to (but he wont he is 100% set on the experience he wants to create and share)
coral raven
Yeah, I'm a huge fan of mmo PvP so I wasn't sure.
lethal badger
Okay do you know if buying gametime is possible when it Works
desert ivy
When it works yes
coral raven
@unreal zealot good point, I didn't think about that, I can see them wanting to please stock holders first and PvP focused mmo's don't sound as appealing as people whispering "wow killer" which I cannot stand lol
lethal badger
Great i have around 10 referals right now and most of them are big spenders
coral raven
Ty for the insight
unreal zealot
❤️
lethal badger
If i would run a guild that has around 20 players would it be possible for us to do something in The game or would bigger guilds just bully us out of The server ?
steady ocean
It's possible for sure, just know that the really big events like world bosses will be contested. You may need to make alliances to compete
lethal badger
So joining bigger guild with the group would be better idea ?
proper night
from my understanding of the guild system is the guild leader will be able to choose between different benefits within there guild IE choose between some sort of benefit (no information yet) or increase guild member capacity. So while big guilds will have many players which will make it hard to contest world bosses or open world dungeons the smaller guilds will have other benefits.
steady ocean
Really depends on your server and where you end up settling, so hard to say this early
marsh tulip
Also what is your goal
steady ocean
20 is on the very low end for a guild though.
marsh tulip
Guild with no size increase will be 30 to 50, while big guilds will be around 300
lethal badger
Not to run metropolis just something small like lvl 4 node
proper night
im sure you could do that as a guild of 20 🙂 I'm sure there will be some benefit to being a smaller guild. Maybe more efficient at professions or something along those lines i can imagine some of the benefits will be. although there's no information on that yet.
lethal badger
Yeah and as someone mentioned making alliance with bigger guild and playing with them to kill world bosses etc could work
As if smaller guild get some kind of bonuses to combat we could technically be very strong at securing caravans etc
proper night
its possible. depends on what sort of benefits come from being a small guild. time will tell but i am hopeful
lethal badger
Any information about how many can be in your family ?
Like can family hold 20 members
marsh tulip
8 as of right now
lethal badger
That is not enough then
Well i am sure me and my friends will like it how ever we do it
/ Play it. Thanks for the answers
crystal beacon
am I stupid? 
crystal beacon
yesnt
void heath
Hello all! i have seen a few locations for discussion about AOC, is there a "main" location/forum that is the most popular?
slow meadow
the official forums are the best place https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/
void heath
great thank you!
junior pagoda
Is there a svg or vectored version of Verra? I am trying to learn a new programming language and thought it would be fun to try to make a stratego conquest (4-player CTF board game) simple web game that utilizes the map of verra. It wouldn't be a for profit endeavor in any way, just something the community might have fun messing with.
steady ocean
You can try asking on the official forums @junior pagoda It is linked just above
slow meadow
@junior pagoda pretty sure the only version that was made available was a jpg. around 720p resolution
junior pagoda
k, thank you. I've always wanted to try to make this damn stratego like game and only recently have had the motivation to give it a shot. One of my friends just suggested, I draw out some simple shapes and export them as svgs, to try just get something basic working. Later on I can try to replace them with something more resembling Verra. Won't spam here, but thanks again for the info.
thick lagoon
certain kickstarter tiers unlock certain titles. but you can still use titles from lower tiers, right? you're not just locked into the one package you have?
thick lagoon
👍
half finch
They are looking for lots of little guilds to form alliances rather than have one big Guild. Big Guilds just end up being lots of bodies with few benifits, where guilds with less bodies have lots of benifits. So for large groups to have these benifits small guilds need to align
wise olive
Will you be able to see your opponents augmented class (argent, Paladin, scion) when you target them?
steady ocean
I'd imagine you could only tell based on being familiar with how augments affect their primary skills. @wise olive
small pecan
after checking out the wiki, I don't see anything confirming either way! so maybe a good question for a livestream if no one knows!
narrow hamlet
Can we get a OCE guild recruitment channel? Finding OCE guilds in standard guild recruitment is incredibly difficult with the amount of NA EU guild posts
slow meadow
@wise olive Steven has said in the past that they want an icon near the nameplate when you target someone to give you an idea what you are up against. exact details not fully vetted
@narrow hamlet https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/categories/oce-guilds
random herald
Hi,
I understand that add-ons will not be allowed.
As a long time healer in WoW, having customisable raid frames that allow me to easily target party members (e.g. via mouseover macros) and see and react to buffs and debuffs is essential.
How customisable will the UI be, in particular party frames?
Moreover, will macros be allowed and, if so, how will they work? What will their limitations be?
Apologies if these questions have already been answered elsewhere.
TIA,
Sinew
crisp holly
Steven intends the UI to be very customizable and has stated that he will be keeping healers in mind for this. In past MMOs that Steven has played in, he played as a healer in addition to other rolls.
small pecan
also, macro capability will be miniscule to none
"we may allow simple macros" is basically the quote
random herald
Thanks for the swift answers.
It's good to know that concerns like mine are being considered. I'm a bit of a UI obsessive and add-on fiend in WoW, but mostly that is a consequence of the standard WoW UI historically being terrible. It took years for basic features that were provided by add-ons to be incorporated into the base UI. Hopefully, this will be avoided in AoC given the personal MMO experience of the Dev team. One benefit of add-ons is that you allow the community to solve problems the Dev team didn't get time to address/think of addressing; however, I understand the decision not to allow add-ons like damage metres as it can pervert/misdirect the community experience.
I can't wait to get hands on experience and give feedback in respect of this!
Sinew
narrow hamlet
@slow meadow cheers pharazon, would be nice to have a discord chan as well 🙂
slow meadow
If I could make it for you I would
random herald
I have another question, if I may.
Is there any available information on how threat will work?
Sinew
slow meadow
not much beyond the fact that it will exist and that aggro will be based on a hate table.
random herald
Ok, will keep an eye on it.
Thanks,
Sinew
onyx knoll
We also know that they plan to make it much more relevant then in other games
Think closer to classic WoW than retail
You'll actually have to be very mindful of aggro and of your skill uses so you don't accidentaly pull mobs @random herald
If i remember right (on phone so can't double check), Steven said there wouldn't be any super obvious and easy threat meters so you would have to rely a lot on instinct and experience to determine your threat level
Obviously that is still subject to change during testing
jovial orbit
im sorry if this has been answered already but are we able to buy consecutive cosmetic packs beforehand for massive early backer flexes? or is it once we've bought the game key we can't acquire more cosmetic bundles?
slow meadow
whatever tier of package you buy will entitle you to buy future cosmetics of that same level. so if you buy a tier that gives you a mount skin, you could buy future mount skins individually. here is a screencap of the store for the cosmetics (I have an alpha 1 package so I can access all of them) @jovial orbit
jovial orbit
Ah, I see. Thank you, I will take a look.
ruby swift
@jovial orbit This visual helps sometimes. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/257283936756039680/740203385919111259/Individual_purchase.png
restive valley
have we gotten any bard or summoner gameplay yet?
ruby swift
Nope, and they will most likely be the last two released. So you have some time yet.
orchid remnant
i just saw the dark allegiances monthly pack but of course i was too late to get it. will any of those skins be available at release to buy?
ruby swift
Not those exact skins though there may be future packs with similar themes or close to visuals. All packages on the store once cycled are gone.
ashen vault
how many people will play on one server?
ruby swift
8-10k concurrent players with 50k registered accounts per server is the current info.
ashen vault
Thank you
feral cloud
I have a question about classes. As we know, AoC will be using trinity system, but what kinda irritates me is that, as I see, we have like 4 DPS, 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 support classes? Am I correct by thinking like that?
Also, is summoner even a support or what is it, cus we know that summoner can summon 3 summons and 1 of each type, so is it a hybrid?
I'm just wondering if it's gonna be an even distribution between class directions or what's it gonna be?
surreal elk
summoner is a jack of all trades class, and you are correct the 4 dps, being rogue/mage/ranger/fighter. 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 support
the augment will shift some of the abilities with augments, but you are correct so far with your analysis.
feral cloud
okay. as I understood with augments that whatever class you pick(not cleric) if your secondary is gonna be cleric, you still wont be able to heal your teammates, you may get more sustain, but no group heal.
it kinda restricts core mechanic to one class, same thing with a tank, but I guess anyone can tank, just you can take less hits if you aren't a tank class.
surreal elk
correct, about the augments.
steep pecan
What is the zerg busting potential for smaller guilds in AoC? There are MMOs like daoc where it was possible for a small group of specialized PvPers with builds that focused on group synergy to kill a group of people that were many times larger than itself. Is there a really small AoE cap in AoC? Is there zerg busting potential?
steady ocean
So if guilds focuses spending their "guild skill points" on membership (starts near a base of 30-50 members, goes to 300 max) they will not be able to allocate those to more defensive/offensive perks. So it could put them at a large disadvantage when it comes to battles depending on the perks. @steep pecan
steep pecan
@steady ocean That's interesting, I wonder if it will be good enough to make small guilds viable against much larger groups. I will just have to wait and find out more information about if there is an AoE cap, how long CCs last, and how many CC breaks there are. Got a group of people very interested in the game. Thanks for the response
feral cloud
there is very little we know about these kinds of mechanics yet
steady ocean
@steep pecan It will make an alliance of smaller guilds certainly be able to handle their own. Castle sieges will be 250vs250 as it stands now (subject to change), but if you can supplement your small guild size by inviting allied guilds to help defend/attack a larger guild, you could certainly have an advantage.
marsh tulip
You could maybe break a big guild into smaller more focus guildbranches
steep pecan
@steady ocean I'm definitely excited to get back into an MMO with a vibrant guild politics system. However, I have a lot of fond memories of killing massive unorganized groups of people with many times less the numbers. I always think this is the mark of a great MMO. Very excited to see how AoC comes along.
inland barn
What does CIS stand for on this discord?
rigid rose
Commonwealth of Independent States (Russia and other countries in the area) I believe @inland barn 🙂
buoyant vector
Not just Russia but also all other post soviet republics
rigid rose
Ah thank you @buoyant vector !
buoyant vector
You're welcome :)
flint agate
If before you choose your parent artisan class you can do all 3 classes at a beginners level, can you still do the other classes at the same beginners level once you've chosen your parent class? Or does it lock you out via the skill tree? If that makes sense
cerulean mica
I would assume that you can still do the beginner level :) It would not make sense that you "lost" the ability to do something from learning to do something else
flint agate
yeah thats what im thinking, but I couldn't find anything strictly stating one way or another
just that you could only have one chosen class
cerulean mica
I've heard Jahlon say that we can choose multiple artisan professions as long as they are within the same class (gathering, crafting and refining) :)
I think refining is the wrong word 😂
ruby swift
Processing, but close enough
empty fjord
you can spread out your artisan points as you wish but you wont be a master in anything
half apex
you can master multiple profs within a parental type, but not all. don't have an exact number how much you can though
fickle wigeon
do you guys have any plan for regional types of payment based on the exhange rate?
i mean in the near future
errant chasm
if u mean for the packs i dont think so but in 2+ years when the games live they'll have reduced prices in some regions but ull be locked to ur region if u take the lower price not sure if thats what u were asking
fickle wigeon
i want to join the alpha test but 75 dolar is 1/5 of the minimum wage here
or beta...
errant chasm
beta isnt for over a year so u have time to purchase it but i doubt they'll reduce those prices ur mainly paying for mtx the $375 pack only $42 of it is alpha and beta access for example
there are guilds doing beta 2 give aways and stuff so can try to look out for that
fickle wigeon
In this discord? Or some other place
errant chasm
in this discord i got a few dm's about it not sure how legit it is but people do offer
fickle wigeon
It would be nice if the alpha and beta test tickets were to sold separately
fickle wigeon
What was mtx again?
errant chasm
microtransactions like cosmetics
grim olive
when is the beta?
errant chasm
1.5+ year away
alpha 1 wont be full till winter, a2 likely gona be q2 or q3 next year then after that we get betas
random herald
@onyx knoll threat closer to Classic WoW's system rather than retail WoW's sounds perfect! Not having threat metres will also be exciting to try and use. Will depend on the sort of boss mechanics and pace of combat I think.
Sinew
flint agate
Another question about crafting professions: how does everyone feel about the imbalance of professions per artisan class? Crafting by far has the most and personally it makes the other two (processing, gathering) seem a little shoved to the side. Thoughts?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but:
- Gathering has 5 professions
- Processing has 4 professions
+Crafting has 10, or 8 if weapon and armor smithing come under blacksmithing
I get that you have more leeway with crafting, but having double the other 2 have seems a tad unbalanced
kindred gate
(As you told me) Cooking could be moved to processing and scribes can just be its own thing
full scroll
Well, I don't think so. Because 1 material can be used in a multitude of things
Like wood can be used to make a dagger, but also be used in making a boat.
But that doesn't mean that a blacksmith who makes swords and what not, but does know how to make a wooden handle will also know how to make a ship.
flint agate
My point was more of the fact that since you can master multiple professions under your artisan class, it's a little unfair that 1 has double the opportunity and choice than the rest
kindred gate
You're still left with a big divide in how many crafting has to the rest, its just weird to look at
Like said scribes could be its own - cooking to processing - and maybe find a few odd balls, 1 or 2 maybe each for gathering and processing
inland bear
I was under the assumption that you could only master a single profession
kindred gate
You master the artisan, and then can master a few professions under whichever artisan you choose
flint agate
The professions are the "sub specialties" under the 3 artisan classes
kindred gate
^
inland bear
Source?
full scroll
inland bear
ty
kindred gate
So you choose crafting as your mastery, and then can master professions underneath that artisan class
But it will take ALOOOOOOT of work
full scroll
kindred gate
Better off choosing 1 / 3 most likely
Like crafting -> to mastering shipbuilding and blacksmithing
full scroll
So I guess yeah, you can take crafting which has a lot of professions, but to get to the best of the best in more then one will take a crap load of time
dapper thistle
has there been any hinting at collectibles like skyshards from ESO, where you pick a certain amount of them and gain a skill point?
kindred gate
But you can dabble in all of them before you choose which artisan class you want to master
flint agate
I honestly feel that making alts will make the inter-dependency a little redundant
inland bear
ok so you cant master all of the professions in a artisan path
full scroll
Yeah I was worried about the alts as well, some peeps said you can't get items inbetween alts
But I mean what stops you from trading from char A to friend to char B
kindred gate
Yea but you'll still have to level those alts hard, but that wouldn't take too long
Because one you have them leveled, its done
onceK
inland bear
Alts will be a thing, but its a whole new character you have to level
kindred gate
I words
flint agate
That never stopped anyone in any game tbf
kindred gate
Yea, just the fact you can in the end game, have an alt for every mastery
flint agate
People will no life it like there's no tomorrow so they dont have to rely on others
kindred gate
And just flip between them willy nilly
full scroll
Yeah, but I mean check wow out
You can level a char from 1 to max in 4 days (less if you got heirlooms and stuff)
Here it won't be anything near that
full scroll
So to get 2 chars to max and then get their artisan classes maxed up and then be dependant from each other will be insane work
kindred gate
But people will find ways around this I'm sure
flint agate
Im also wondering, say you give a master animal husbandry person an egg to hatch for you, are there known safe guards preventing them from stealing it?
full scroll
Definitely
inland bear
Well as we a speaking about Artisan skills which are separate from your overall level, do we have any info on how long those would be to level
full scroll
Can't anyone hatch the eggs?
kindred gate
True, you'll need a solid system of trust
flint agate
Some you need certain level of animal husbandry
inland bear
I could see someone with low level alts chillin in cities with high ass crafting levels
kindred gate
Granted, if you have a friend and then an alt, just swap the egg back n fourth between em lul
inland bear
Villager level combat but fucker is a master smith lol
kindred gate
Just like in ESO lmao
flint agate
Wonder if some mats are level locked
timid hedge
hey, im new to this discord. what exactly goes on here, being that we are so far from release, or even beta.
inland bear
Not as far as you would think, alpha 1 is coming this year is it not
kindred gate
Casual discussion, since no NDA release for video content, discussion of everything about the game so far tbh
inland bear
while not public, it will have no NDA
flint agate
Alpha 1 is going to be within the next few months supposedly
inland bear
but yeah, just sifting through all the info we are getting on a semi regular basis
kindred gate
And we get the succulent L O R E and content
inland bear
I love the super open development of intrepid
kindred gate
Same
inland bear
Bruh i want me some more lore
flint agate
Same omg
kindred gate
Its honestly how you know the devs aren't fucking you over and lying
flint agate
I need VEK LORE
inland bear
deadass might run a DND game out of the Ashes universe
kindred gate
They're open and don't half ass any of the questions
Vek are just the best
Vek and Nikua for life
the squad rolling up for the lore
kindred gate
sniffs violently I.. I can smell it... LoRe
I just hope they're very quick to stomp out the people abusing systems and all unlike other MMOs
Because there's always a loophole for people
crystal beacon
Will there be a button to make the partical Effekts as glowy and blinding again as they where before your,, nerved,, them, so you can go ahead and enjoy them if u want (and have the cpu?) I've just seen that you want to turn them down a bit and that's fine for pvp and all, but I would love to have the opportunity do go on a rampage with those effects ^^
And, did I get it right that you can master only 1 profession? It looked like you can have 3 profession related housing areas, i would, personally, hate it to go into my housing and know that I can't use 2/3 of my house to its full potential. Sry housing fanatic here ^^
My English isnt that well, if I got anything wrong or missed something feel free to correct :)