So you cant work towards endgame, since endgame always changes?
#questions
crystal beacon
oak depot
Nodes open up new quests as they develop
crystal beacon
But quests are mandatory to do? Its not sandbox styled designed?
oak depot
Quests are not mandatory ever... the player base can choose not to do them... in that case the node atrophies and eventually delevels and potentially disappears
as the node progresses to higher node stages though (from 0 to 6) it unlocks more higher-level content
zealous spear
Will the game have enchantments and glows like Lineage 2?
oak depot
once a node achieves stage 4 it can exert enough influence to enslave nearby lower-stage nodes as Vassal nodes thus exerting it's influence over them
misty condor
3 lv
fading latch
@oak depot some corrections. Its 0-6 and they enslave at stage 3
misty condor
it start on 3lv
fair yew
Yes to enchants and glows
oak depot
I don't think level 3 nodes can enslave
crystal beacon
But what do i do if i want to play the game as a raider? I do have to do these quests to contribute to it? Are raids locked behind the node system, so it fluctuates what content i can do? Is there static content that wont change and you can rely on?
stoic charm
@crystal beacon the end game is to ensure your node stays the strongest to make sure you get the best “end game” opportunities without having to travel vast distances from your home node
oak depot
they can be enslaved, but it has to be greater than 3 to enslave
zealous spear
@fair yew yes as in confirmed or yes as in you want them too?
crystal beacon
Im just wondering, if this is an mmorpg where i can work towards something that wont change constantly adjusting my playstyle
fair yew
There will be glows and enchants confirmed
zealous spear
@fair yew awesome thank you very much!
oak depot
AoC is designed a very dynamic player-driven MMO
fair yew
AoC will have tons of change but there will be raid dungeons etc if that is your focus
oak depot
but high-level raid dungeons will require higher-level nodes to exist spawning said high-level dungeons within their zone of influence
so yes, @crystal beacon as a raider it is in your interest to contribute no node advancement so that higher-level raid content becomes available. Also, if another group has declared a siege on a node providing content you want to continue doing, it is in your interest to help defend the node against the siege so you don't lose access to the raid content you are interested in
fair yew
They don’t really spawn the dungeon they unlock them
wanton fox
End game is a concept not a list of tasks
thats the driving point of the node system
ever changing
fair yew
You can assist the leveling of a node through killing monsters fishing and gathering etc. you dont have to quest
wanton fox
Basically all actions withing a node will contribute xp towards it
crystal beacon
and depending what it is, combat, questing, exploring it will change the outcome of what node will be developed, and a node is like a city that offers content in it and surrounding areas?
ruby swift
@crystal beacon The node type is set from zero. Whatever type of exp you contribute has no bearing on that.
full badger
The node types are all predetermined
heady ocean
whats up sry if this question has gotten an answer already but im new here :D, wil there be a way to know how the classes and classes archtypes skills will look or feel before or at the moment we jump in the game?
oak depot
static is the term
full badger
whats up sry if this question has gotten an answer already but im new here :D, wil there be a way to know how the classes and classes archtypes skills will look or feel before or at the moment we jump in the game
@heady ocean there will no doubt be tons of footage of all the classes and guides on everything by the time the game launches
Right now we know hardly anything
oak depot
@heady ocean they plan to release all skills and augments for each of the 64 classes before release. So you will have the info. For how it "feels" it will require you to review streamer footage (or participate in Alpha/Beta gameplay yourself).
crystal beacon
will the alpha 1 that is scheduled to be released to the backers show a node developing?
ruby swift
@heady ocean There will be various streamers all through the alpha and beta phases so people can get an idea that way. They have also toyed with the idea of a separate instance where you could try out various archetypes and classes in an instanced environment as a preview, but no confirmation on that or if it will be prior to launch.
oak depot
@crystal beacon https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Alpha-1
reef osprey
@crystal beacon yes, nodes will be part of the alpha
ruby swift
And we have already seen on develop from 0 to 1 in previous testing end of May.
That was not prompted by a dev action.
oak depot
Nodes can progress to Stage 3 in Alpha-1 according to latest wiki info (used to be Stage 4)
heady ocean
ty nice ive seen most of the development videos and will likely play the alfas
crystal beacon
@ruby swift is that footage public? Can i look it up?
full badger
No, it's under NDA right now
crystal beacon
aww ok 😢
ruby swift
Nope, that was not part of the footage from Stevens run. That was the other testers. We got around 40 people all grinding in a single node and "popped" it after around two hours of work. We can talk about it, but still under visual nda for those test.
crystal beacon
i think i will just understand it better if i see it
full badger
Don't worry, there will be plenty of time for that
The number of people jumping on the Ashes streaming/CC bandwagon is insane right now
crystal beacon
I never heard of it until yesterday, when Youtube suddenly decided to give me 12 recommended videos in my feed all about Ashes of Creation
tried to go through the whole wiki yesterday and today
Its mildly interesting but i dont understand much of it
oak depot
@crystal beacon watch the Lazy Peon video if you haven't to get a comprehensive over-view
crystal beacon
i think thats the first one i saw, the one with a British accent?
main raptor
@ruby swift 2 hours with 40 people seems really short
ruby swift
That is what people here can help you with. If you are not a reading person I recommend Ashes101.com. Jahlon here does a series of easy to digest by topic videos
main raptor
That @simple ether plug
ruby swift
@main raptor Nothing during these tests is balanced in any way.
main raptor
@ruby swift sure but I do hope it was noticed that 2 hours with 40 people is nothing
ruby swift
They have targets for how long they want it to take, they will adjust.
crystal beacon
To be clear here, they are not Kickstarter only mmorpg, correct? They have private funding too that surpasses most Kickstarter budgets?
earnest knoll
I mean he deserves it tbh @main raptor mans put tonnes of work in for the community
ruby swift
40 mill so far, not counting the KS and package sales has been commited by the owner.
oak depot
$40 mil is not that much to be had
the average decent software developer salary in San Diego is around $250k. With approaching a 100 developers working at intrepid.. even assuming they all equally make $200k each.. thats $20 mil a year in salary expenditure
and the good developers make a lot more than $200k / year
ruby swift
It is actually 60-100k according to Google
crystal beacon
Does the publisher not invest in the project, or is it only funded by the studio?
ruby swift
But this becomes a discussion instead of questions.
crystal beacon
i apologize
oak depot
I don't know... I was getting offers starting at $250k and I wasn't even looking and don't consider myself an amazing developer.. but you are right, we digress
full badger
btw guys, friendly reminder that this channel is for questions and answers. Having extra discussion on top of that clogs up the channel and makes it harder to answer the actual questions. Please use the #aoc-discussion and #general-discussion channels for discussions
sharp hare
@crystal beacon They are self publishing
ruby swift
The publishing deal with My.Games brought some resources to the table. The details were not made public.
ruby swift
Nah, you can ask questions as much as you like
reef osprey
@crystal beacon the european daughter company, yes
ruby swift
Nope, complete creative control retained by Intrepid.
ruby swift
They handle accounts and the EU population. They have no say in the monetization or game directions.
crystal beacon
That doesnt really incite any enthusiasm from me though haha, dont really have good experiences with that publisher. A shame, really. Thanks a lot for the answers, im gonna look up this Ashes101 thing, thanks a lot everyone
reef osprey
@crystal beacon
they provide servers and
customer support
that's pretty much it
@crystal beacon
my.com customer support is better than most publishers
what they had problems with in the past: Cash Shop monetization (that's out of their control) and Data Security (which they had to fix due to GDPR)
ruby swift
@crystal beacon They were the only one at the time willing to put Steven's term down on ink. They have specific metrics they have to meet concerning server performance and such or it will go away. They probably see it as a chance to change their reputation for the better. Everyone wins. Unless they screw it up.
crystal beacon
so the NA game version is published by this game studio itself?
wispy locust
Correct
reef osprey
correct
oak depot
@reef osprey "Hi, is this my.com customer support?", "yes, how can we help you?", "I have a problem with XYZ currently...", "sorry to hear that, we are currently experiencing heavy volume. Please send 50 euros to the following account if you would like your issues prioritized ..." (just kidding... but maybe I'm not)....
misty condor
they are based in california according to wiki
crystal beacon
Then i will play on NA if this game shapes up to be good by launch
misty condor
moving to canada Kappa
ruby swift
Your welcome. Come back if you need more answers, someone is always around.
reef osprey
@oak depot nah
i've played 3 of their games, never had any CS issues.
they even refunded my revelation online purchase after a month or so
wispy locust
Yeah, idk about My.com being good lol. Rev launch, they sniped a ton of money from people for in-game currently. Then never delivered the stuff in game.
reef osprey
everybody knew rev was gonna be a cash grab, all the eastern imports are
paper orbit
my.com has also been down for the european shop for ages now so if they cant even handle a shop how can we be sure the servers will be stable
earnest knoll
probably want to move the my.com discussion over to #aoc-discussion team 🙂
oak depot
or #general-discussion ...
crystal beacon
I guess we can expect the class blogs before alpha 1 so quite soon?
ruby swift
MK addressed this in the livestream. As soon as the Design team gives her what she has asked for she will finish them and release them. Until then. We wait.
cedar thicket
$200k a year? @oak depot Sorry man
But that's too much
The majority of developers have way lower wages
some of them even have the so called "slave wages"
oak depot
Okay fine. $100k then. 100 devs * 100k = $10mil a year. That doesn’t include any other costs either.
misty condor
good luck only for them
crystal beacon
As long as they don't turn out like chronicles of elyria
ruby swift
Already a step beyond them. We have had a playable product for a long while that people have touched outside of the development team.
crystal beacon
@simple ether so they are still workin together? no chance for eu publisher change?
reef osprey
@ruby swift not just a step, CoE never even delivered proof of concept
they just wrote stories
tulip hatch
Intrepid has not given any hint of changing publishers, the only thing stated is that theyre investigating the issues on their site.
We will get an update with more information when theyre ready to provide it @crystal beacon
reef osprey
Them going away would mean that would mean my.games is in breach of contract.
Considering, that the obligations for my.games should be rather shallow pre-alpha, i'd not think it's realistic at all
crystal beacon
thier social media accounts are dead for a long time, site isnt working properly
oak depot
To be clear, I am not worried about Intrepid not having enough funding. I am sure they are fine. Steven says they are fine. My reply was more the $40mil comment. Steven messaged on discord a few says back while attending a PI meeting. PI to me means Private Investors. So I am positive they can secure extra funding if they need it.
frozen tartan
PI means Phoenix Initiative and refers to one of the higher tiers in the kickstarter campaign
Steven is the sole investor of Intrepid Studio
unreal zealot
"private investors" xD sorry i can see why you would think that but its still funny.
crystal beacon
idk, they have shit reputation, there suposed to be good contract and they promised better quality of support, yet they are as shit as always since years now 🙂
bad servers, security problems, cheating will destroy game, no matter how good the game will be
Is mycom a dictator in terms of mmorpgs in eu? Or why has nobody else accepted the contract for aoc
teal lion
Have they mentioned which phase they are gonna put time in the combat. A lot of people question the combat as being slowed and scuffed when comparing to BDO combat.
tulip hatch
Intrepid is investigating the issues with my.games, we will get an update when theyre ready to provide it to the community
Please take discussions/comments to the appropriate channels #aoc-discussion or #general-discussion
Thank you
frozen tartan
@crystal beacon mycom was the only one willing to put on writing their promises. I beleived that was a big part in the choice of them
boreal abyss
crystal beacon
I see. Kinda ironic lol
Also i have same question as blaze
Even though it has been kinda answered
boreal abyss
Combat will be "slower" than BDO combat, as TTK (Time-To-Kill) will be a bit longer (will not be 1v1, same level, insta kills happening) because they want combat to include strategy and tactics
when we will hear more about combat however 
boreal abyss
Can't remember personally so cannot answer that
alpine zodiac
They said it will be unique
teal lion
yea archeage is slower than bdo but its still smoother and just more fine tune than what I experience in the battle royale mode. I know its early but if they plan on putting a decent amoutn of time. It would be nice to know
crystal beacon
Yeah but will it stay that world of warcraft pacing like
Or will it go more towards bdo
boreal abyss
Pre-Alpha stage still, current combat is just 1 of many iterations as we will progress through Alpha and Beta so any answer given about combat now, will change by release
dim shuttle
Last we heard, it’s about 30 seconds on average to kill a same-geared same-leveled opponent
crystal beacon
Well it isnt really about killtime but more about the feeling of how fast the battle goes, not how long it lasts
dim shuttle
Wrong channel Rabbit
@crystal beacon Animations will help with that. But we’re a long way from seeing what it’ll actually be like.
random goblet
Im definetely going for summoner, tho the question is, Will the summons have racial difference? Meaning each race having specific different summons or if im human or orc it doesnt matter i summon a pig 😂😂
full badger
@random goblet
white storm
What is max player count per guild
full badger
300 right now @white storm
white storm
oh damn
full badger
Sorry, that's 300 characters, not 300 players
white storm
oh
random goblet
Ty. Idk how i missed that 😅
oak depot
300 assumes max guild point investment in “path of size” for a guild rather than “path of guild”.
fair yew
Right guilds will typically be smaller than 300
storm urchin
What's the normal limit?
full badger
We don't have details of the guild perk system yet
frozen tartan
A guild not putting any point in the size option would be around 30 or 50 members
vernal swallow
We do have a personal banking/locker system right?
full badger
There is a warehouse in nodes and personal storage available in housing @vernal swallow
boreal abyss
@vernal swallow kinda
no global one, all are location based, so store something in Node A, you have to be in Node A to get it
store stuff in freehold/house you have to be at freehold/house to get it
crystal beacon
Is the allocation of skill points a final decision? Is it permanent? The augmentations can be changed when changing the secondary archetype as far as I understood...but what about the rest?
frozen tartan
It has been confirmed in the AMA (or the last dev talk, not sure) that skill points distribution will not be final
wild marsh
It will be hard though to change it. It won't come easily Steven said. You'll more than likely have to jump through a bunch of hoops, but it is possible.
low path
So I know part of this has been answered before, but is there any debuff applied in pvp when 2 combatants have very different levels? Like if im in a castle siege and am level 50 and I attack a level 10, im gonna clap his cheeks right?
junior ore
No debuff outside of anything you may already have
junior ore
Tbh there shouldn’t be a ton of lowbies rolling to sieges after the first one. The mechanics of the game show a direction to slow meta building and rerolls so re rolling will be a big investment and not just a 2 day money sink
low path
Of course, but you know some clan of like 70 level 10's is gonna try to take a castle, me and the boys can defend it with our 8 man party (very exaggerated, but you get my point)
Especially since max level takes over 200+ estimated hours, there will be a ton of people in sieges who arent close to max level, and even if they are there gear might be lacking, I imagine it will end up with like high level generals and then a bunch on regular soldiers
junior ore
So castle sieges are a guild thing more like bdo Saturday sieges, node sieges can be literally anyone so you want be out in that situation one way or the other for like a whole fight.
low path
Ikik,but its fun to imagine
junior ore
Especially since max level takes over 200+ estimated hours, there will be a ton of people in sieges who arent close to max level, and even if they are there gear might be lacking, I imagine it will end up with like high level generals and then a bunch on regular soldiers
@low path keep in mind upon leveling you can’t siege a node right away anyways there is a grace period
So plenty of time for people to get to max level before sieges become a thing. You need resources to initiate siege as well
steady ocean
@low path You also gain exp debt when you die in a siege, so it doesn't make sense to send in low lvls to fight really.
low path
What do you mean? I know theres a grace period between attacks and after the node reaches level 5 or whatever. Do you mean some other kind of grace period?
@steady ocean Could always enlist them for cannon fodder, and pay em some gold
Maybe some conscription... hehe
junior ore
What do you mean? I know theres a grace period between attacks and after the node reaches level 5 or whatever. Do you mean some other kind of grace period?
@low path so there’s a cooldown for being able to re siege a defense that held out And ....”A node siege may not be declared for 21 days following a node advancing to Village (stage 3). This does not apply to nodes at higher stages.[11]
Node sieges may only be declared within a primetime window for that particular server. This is likely to between 4pm and 9pm on that server's local time.[12][13]”
low path
Ya i know all that, the way you made it sound seemed like there was some grace period attached to your levelling, so I was confused
junior ore
So at a minimum if we somehow get a lvl 3 node day 1 there’s still 3 weeks to siege. Possible. And iirc there’s a gate of maximum xp a node can net in a week or whatever
low path
Ughh this game is so deep, its gonna be lit
junior ore
All this is subject to change based on how alphas play out but that’s the base line idea and thought laid out
flat flint
I've got a question. Is there somebody with java knowledge that can spare 5-10 minutes? I am in dire straits.
crisp holly
From what is on the Wiki there will be some kind of gate on how quickly a node can level up if they want it to take the time the wiki has for each stage/lvl
flat flint
?
coral raven
Maybe someone knows the answer to this but on Reddit there was an interesting post about hit boxes for dwarves etc etc, it made me wonder if allies hitboxes can block allies spells/attacks. Like if my huge orc tank in in a doorway can my allies get shots through? Or do I just become a wall for both sides?
gusty fable
@coral raven I think that would be abusable by blocking people path in doors etc
But don't know the answer to your question
coral raven
Idk about walking through players..that could be madness with enough tanks.
low path
Im surprised hit boxes will be different
crystal beacon
I also wanted to ask at least before I decide to pre order any of the packages aviliable for Ashes of creation If I for instance buy one of them am I able to enter the testing or whatever build is current and play It or ?.~
gusty fable
@crystal beacon you can play alpha 2 which is probably next year
junior ore
Maybe someone knows the answer to this but on Reddit there was an interesting post about hit boxes for dwarves etc etc, it made me wonder if allies hitboxes can block allies spells/attacks. Like if my huge orc tank in in a doorway can my allies get shots through? Or do I just become a wall for both sides?
@coral raven this has been brought up before. While they have stated they know and this is the point of testing. Action combat isnt solely the idea of fps and high speed animations. Location AoE and mouse/screen directional weapon swinging is under the category of action As for hit box blocking i would assume skills will animate through allies but their bodies will have some collision
wild marsh
The version of testing will depend on the type of pre-order you do. If you buy an Alpha 2 then you'll be able to play alpha 2.
orchid dock
The package to get into alpha 2 is pretty expensive jeez I'll wait for it to come out
zealous spear
Will racial stats have high enough impact to affect metagaming in a meaningful way?
low path
It comes with lots of months tho @orchid dock
coral raven
Tyvm I'm sure we'll learn way more in alpha1 its worth testing for sure.
junior ore
I also wanted to ask at least before I decide to pre order any of the packages aviliable for Ashes of creation If I for instance buy one of them am I able to enter the testing or whatever build is current and play It or ?.~
@crystal beacon no. The current testing is nda pre alpha. Next is alpha 1 and so on you get access to the package you buys access. The only exception is if apoc comes back along side with br and siege modes that would probably be open to all again
coral raven
I'll make a giant orc and see how annoying I can be blocking doors and whatnot, if its a problem we can submit feedback.
orchid dock
That would suck if you just had massive giant tank orcs blocking every doorway
junior ore
There’s very minimal safe zones
coral raven
That's good to know
junior ore
Do in town can still be flagged and killed
sour trout
I know there will be few instances in the world but does anyone know if a corrupted player could basically just run into an instance to troll bounty hunters or will they be locked out of entering any instances while they are corrupted?
coral raven
Even if you don't kill them maybe you can temporarily move them and report them. Who knows lol.
junior ore
Technically they can but i mean that’s just not playing the game so have fun lol
Even if you don't kill them maybe you can temporarily move them and report them. Who knows lol.
@coral raven no they won’t do shit for reports But you will have collision and can move em slowly
rigid rose
@sour trout actually that is a good question ... I do not think we have had a answer to that for sure... would be worth making post on forums and bringing up as question.
junior ore
Risk vs reward they can flag you kill you and take mats
coral raven
That's good to know.. Thanks.
junior ore
Intrepid has stated they wanna be as hands off as possible outside of game breaking exploits and bugs
Let the world live and die by its players
low path
Have we seen any actual gameplay of a metropolis yet?
junior ore
No
rigid rose
Not yet @low path
junior ore
Don’t think we will
low path
Ok thanks, and the castles are supposed to be bigger than a metropolis?
junior ore
Probably not in terms of building but technically by zoi size yes
steady ocean
Castles are able to tax all the nodes in it's ZoI, so yes @low path
gusty fable
are the castles like the max lvl of freehold or that's totaly different?
low path
Different
tepid night
Are they gonna open apocalypse for testing combat and other testing purposes?
reef osprey
@gusty fable that's totally different
There are 5 static castles in the world. These can be taken over by guilds.
Freeholds are personal crafting workshop
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gusty fable
oh nice
junior ore
Are they gonna open apocalypse for testing combat and other testing purposes?
@tepid night probably after a1 ish
tepid night
Do you buy apoc or is it free to play?
junior ore
Free
tepid night
Ok thanks
wild marlin
Good morning everyone, not very active in discord because i don't have time. I was watching the july update a while ago and had a question about something steven had said about suspending sales of the tiers that allow access to alpha 1 tiers like 2 years ago. I was a backer of kickstarter and earlier this year i upgraded to the braver of worlds. Will i still have access to alpha 1?
gusty fable
is apoc like a "AoC siege features test"?
junior ore
@wild marlin yes
reef osprey
yes
junior ore
is apoc like a "AoC siege features test"?
@gusty fable pretty much
wild marlin
figured as much, just double checking. Thanks for the reply @junior ore
low path
So can everyone technically own a freehold? Are they limited in some way other than space and amount of level 3+ nodes?
Like will it eventually look like a city of just freeholds littering the land?
steady ocean
Limited by slots available, which is tied to the stage of the node
low path
I assume we dont know that number yet
rigid rose
@low path yes ... we do not know for sure the limits as of yet.
reef osprey
@low path there will be a fixed amount of "licenses" for owning freeholds
low path
Cool
So I guess another reason to destroy a node is if you find a nice spot for a house but the node is out of licenses
low path
Oh
fair yew
Freeholds have to be within a zoi of a lv 3 or higher node
steady ocean
^
low path
Well either way, destroying the node will allow you to destory the freehold, freeing up a spot right?
fading needle
Does anyone know when we could possibly see more AOC gameplay ?
rigid rose
At metro it will be a lot as the ZOI is 1/5th the land mass and you can put a freehold anywhere in the ZOI (except for specific spots such as mob spawn areas or dungeon entrances ect)
steady ocean
They tie directly into the supporting node, as it grants citizenship to a specific node if you choose that node as your home
fair yew
If a node is destroyed but your freehold still within another zoi of a different lv3 node your safe
rigid rose
@simple ether ah 🙂. Good clarification I did not know that
@fading needle we do not have info on when next gameplay will be shown
reef osprey
@simple ether will all of them have exactly 20%
or will the first one potentially impact the way a ZOI can grow upon level up -> which will end up that this new metropolis might have less than 20%
untold maple
If the goal is 50,000 active players per server and everyone ends up with a freehold then you're gona have at least 100 freeholds per km2 which seems.... Unreasonable
I think its appropriate for the map size in generap
But not if everyone has a freehold
steady ocean
Not everyone will have a free hold is what I surmised
untold maple
If freeholds are something generally bought as bases of operations of small guilds then its more reasonable
frail solar
Can crafted gear be named?
steady ocean
You can give access to others, so people may share 1 freehold, but we are getting into the #aoc-discussion realm and speculating 😄
reef osprey
@untold maple that's not what they are though
untold maple
It is how they can be used but not limited to, was my understanding
reef osprey
you can build a guild hall on them, yes
but that's more a secondary use than anything else
steady ocean
@reef osprey it's a perfectly normal way to use a freehold. up to 8-9 crafters of the same type could share 1 freehold.
reef osprey
@steady ocean a freehold primary use will not be guild halls though lol
steady ocean
@frail solar I don't think you can give a weapon a unique name, but if you craft the weapon it will have some sort of identifier that you crafted it
frail solar
Ok ty
gusty fable
is there any kind of farming or fishing profession?
reef osprey
fishing is confirmed
we don't know if farming will be a seperate one
or everybody can do that
kind sparrow
so, i was reading about naval combat, etc. and there was mentioned in some old videos that there is/will be a Mariner class, with sea skills. Soo its not gonna be a base class like warrior/wizard? Cause i didnt see it in any Class diagrams
reef osprey
@kind sparrow certainly not as an adventuring class
they once mentioned, that the racial bonus of vek might be related to seafaring, so i guess there will be something along those lines.
We wouldn't know anything so far though
kind sparrow
kk
versed delta
How many palayers will be on Alpha 2 server?
Will Alpha 2 be joining Alpha 1, or starting resh?
fresh*
reef osprey
depends if they wipe or not
visual cosmos
How many classes will be available in alpha 1?
reef osprey
we don't have any recent information about the size of the alpha 2 population either
steady ocean
@visual cosmos no classes, all the primary archetypes
reef osprey
@visual cosmos all 8 base archetypes, no secondary archtypes
visual cosmos
ohh nice, thanks you both.
desert ivy
At the start of alpha 1 there will only be 5 archetypes available
Tank, Cleric, Mage, and 2 others
Most likely not gonna be Summoner or Bard imo so the other 2 will probably be fighter, ranger, or rogue
reef osprey
at the start yeah
scenic moon
If ive been registered since october of 2019 will I still receive the statue commemorating covid-19?
stiff lotus
yes!
kind cloud
does the inn game talents give you new abilities or upgrades the abilities you allready got?
steady ocean
Most things augment your primary skills that you get from your primary archetype @kind cloud
kind cloud
then where do you get the skills?
steady ocean
from your primary archetype
kind cloud
by leveling up?
steady ocean
You can read more about skills here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Skills If you have more questions after let me know. Leveling up grants you skill points which you can use to give your skills additional stuff
kind cloud
ty
steady ocean
Based off of this, it seems you unlock skills by leveling up, and empower them as you level up with skill points. @kind cloud
crystal beacon
do the pre order packs only contain ground mounts?
or are there gliding ones too
and water ones
steady ocean
They only contain mount skins, and I believe up until now it has either been gliding (tier 2) and ground mount skins (tier 1)
reef osprey
some are tier 2
steady ocean
Depends on the mount, and the terrain I'd imagine
kind cloud
@steady ocean i have seen that dev update on yt, but i have also heard that military nodes is where you train skill, so i'm a bit confused about it all.
steady ocean
Much is still unknown about some of the core game mechanics. Hopefully we will find out more during Alpha testing
Any specific streams where that is talked about @simple ether so @dark jungle can add it to the wiki?
That's pretty cool if the devs go forward with that idea
golden lintel
i have a question how many players will apha two will have if aplha one will have only 10k players
steady ocean
A server can have up to 50k, so I'd imagine that is a good number to think of as a maximum.
limber tendon
I never understood what they meant by this system is a server cap 50k people or 10k people?
playing at once
steady ocean
10k concurrent, 50k character limit
solid pivot
will we be expecting different type of servers? PVE, PVP, PVPRP, etc. ?
reef osprey
@solid pivot nope, not in terms of ruleset
untold maple
@steady ocean Is it a character limit or a unique account character limit?
reef osprey
its inherently a PvX game @solid pivot
one without the other doesn't work
untold maple
Coz I could imagine people making 6 alts each on a server and... then a 50k character limit will always be short of 10k concurrent
crystal beacon
Will there be durability on armour and weapons
reef osprey
@untold maple its a 50k account limit, not character
steady ocean
Yes @crystal beacon
errant chasm
yes and gear breaks @crystal beacon
untold maple
@crystal beacon yeah, and repairs are via materials instead of cash
@reef osprey thanks, thought that'd be the case
reef osprey
@crystal beacon yes it will break after some point
crystal beacon
Ok thanks
untold maple
Hopefully they'll do some testing to see if 50k is the limit needed to avoid frequently capping out concurrent, because I think testing is the only way you'd find that out
reef osprey
i'd rather have queues in the beginning, rather than merged servers later on
untold maple
Agreed
I prefer busier servers... if they think 10k is the right amount for a server I'd rather it be near that limit during peak time on most days
10k players would only be ~21 players per km^2
oak depot
empty world
ruby swift
100 per node with an equal spread
oak depot
there is no water nodes.. so probably a better way to look at it
desert ivy
The 50k server limit is 100% gonna be reduced. You can't have a 5:1 ratio of characters on server and characters currently logged in, especially when the game will have prime time events
reef osprey
prime time events that become relevant months after launch
when the amount of active players died down already
crystal beacon
i think the spread over the nodes is a good system, this way you can ensure that everyone can progress in peace
also guilds can build better
also a question for question server: can you build a guild on every node?
i think i asked that already but forgot
reef osprey
You don't build guilds on nodes, guilds and nodes are a seperate system
you have in-node guild halls, but that's about as much as they have to do with each other
ruby swift
Not every node will be populated. People will clump together. The way vassals and locking of node works people will gravitate towards the larger nodes as they need to unlock higher tier recipes and crafting station to progress. No one is going to hang out in a level 3 node all the time when they need stuff from the level 5 a 30 minute run away every play session.
oak depot
you know... the more I think I know about this game and the more I try to create good questions to ask in a quiz about this game.. the more I realize there is so much depth in this game.. and then I realize how little I know about the game in reality... I do my research and realize how little everyone really knows about the game... which leads me to start thinking about the game ... it's a vicious cycle
untold schooner
i though ya can predict the future
oak depot
nah, that's nostradamus, I'm nostrademous
crystal beacon
but cant all nodes reach lvl 5?
ruby swift
No
oak depot
@crystal beacon not at all, only 5
ruby swift
that is level 6
crystal beacon
ah makes sense then
ruby swift
but still the same point
oak depot
and one of them will be in the underrealm
crystal beacon
those with the castles on them?
tepid night
Then you realized it's still a good 2 years away from now
ruby swift
nodes lock other nodes out from advancing
wary steppe
Nodes become level locked when inside the influence area of a higher lvl node
untold maple
It really depends on how empty they want the world to feel tbh...
because at the current player limit there will be many areas that are pretty empty
crystal beacon
what is the point in having 102 nodes if everyone will gravitate within the major ones
or 103
oak depot
@crystal beacon I don't think they will to be had... parent nodes get excess XP from vassal
so you can level top nodes once vassal nodes are capped... people will be doing whatever they need to be doing at the time
untold maple
It seems that the biggest nodes will still have limited space for services, housing and such which would encourage players to use smaller nodes too
ruby swift
Nodes start locking out other nodes from level 1. Going to be a lot of people head scratching why they keep grinding and nothing is happening.
wary steppe
Each server will be different. For instance server x may have more people gravitate to a scientific node in the north, making that a central focus.
Meanwhile you log into an alt on server y and the progress is revolving around a religious node in the south west...
Crude example, but the simplest I could think of.
crystal beacon
wasnt there something with one guild dominates a node
reef osprey
nah, that was fearmongering and uninformed fears of new people
crystal beacon
so you can house many guilds in one node
wary steppe
Point is, each server depending on where the interest lies, will have a completely different dynamic.
reef osprey
@crystal beacon yes
crystal beacon
that is good else there would be big guilds dominating smaller ones
of course you can still bully them by destroying their city, right?
xd
oak depot
small guilds will dominate big ones is my prediction.... full prophecy
a full "path of guild" guild with 50 players will own full "path of size" guild with 300 players
why you ask? because it's easier to coordinate 50 people than 300
crystal beacon
i could imagine smaller guilds building alliances to fight big ones
as in all mmos
but what is the reward if you for example are the biggest guild in a node
is there any advantage
reef osprey
@crystal beacon you become the patron guild of that node
here you can read more about that
crystal beacon
i see
solemn shuttle
I saw a clip of a video where they showed dozens of default red UE4 characters running around. Is that video available somewhere? Would like to take a closer look.
crystal beacon
how much will alpha 1 contain
in terms of content overall
will there be all classes?
crystal beacon
but there arent descriptions for summoner for example
though alpha 1 says it contains all classes
oak depot
lies
reef osprey
by alpha 1, not at the beginning
oak depot
Secondary archetypes will not be present in Alpha-1.[8]
steady ocean
It says it will have all primary archetypes @crystal beacon
crystal beacon
summonre is a primary too
ruby swift
Things change as to what will be in A1 all the time. As they publicly announce them Lex updates the wiki.
oak depot
classes are Primary + Secondary... so there will be 0 classes in Alpha 1
crystal beacon
-_- i know
oak depot
and yes... we don't currently yet know all primary abilities .... very few of them actually
crystal beacon
as long as we get all primary this is cool
oak depot
agreed... just remember Great swords probably can't be dual wielded
junior ore
Tell Kirito that
steady ocean
Maybe not at the beginning, but eventually we will for sure @crystal beacon
uneven prairie
i used to main duelist in L2, having dual swords is Pog
oak depot
@junior ore I meant in Alpha 1 😛
surreal cedar
I am not a fun of targeting system abilities tbh, especially in sieges, high ping is gonna make it really awkward
surreal cedar
Skillshots free aim
If I am not mistaken archers are gonna have some of those and casters ?
steady ocean
They will be able to choose from both types for sure
junior ore
A lot will be made up for with hit scan and location AoE/cone effects. Kinda how bdo works... bdo would be awful if it was true accuracy
oak depot
everyone will have some of those
reef osprey
@surreal cedar you have like 30 skills to choose from,
don't take them if you dont like them
surreal cedar
I mean how do you aim with a warrior tho?
junior ore
You’ll have a cone or AoE on the swings
oak depot
75% skill, 25% tab or vice-versa are the cap, no?
surreal cedar
@surreal cedar you have like 30 skills to choose from,
don't take them if you dont like them
@reef osprey if it is the meta you are forced to play it mate
junior ore
It won’t be point blank contact
reef osprey
@surreal cedar if people can't hit it, it won't be meta
junior ore
There is some give to it. But this is also what testing is for to get server side issues clean.
reef osprey
and if people can hit it, then there is no problem
beautifully balanced, as all things should be
surreal cedar
But it will be meta for people with <30 ping constantly
junior ore
No
surreal cedar
We shall see how it's gonna be in 2+ years a lot can change
steady ocean
Please remember discussions should be saved for #aoc-discussion
little tusk
do we know if there will be an achievement system?
steady ocean
@little tusk There will be!
junior ore
One we don’t know what meta will be , two you can’t go 100% either way. Action or tab. So it’s not worth saying it’s bad until we test and that’s the purpose of testing
little tusk
@steady ocean cool, ty!
reef osprey
@little tusk there will
they will also include hard / very hard to get achievements that only a few % of the player will have.
These also award cosmetics and stuff
oak depot
The title of CBH is one per Gov't Node or one per server?
steady ocean
can you break out that acronym
oak depot
Chief Bounty Hunter
steady ocean
I'd assume it's for each node, similar to how a mayor is for each node.
crystal beacon
Can we mount siege weapons on ships
ruby swift
Very little is known about the naval system and combat at this time.
oak depot
@crystal beacon Weaponry such as Potion launchers, Siege weapons and weapons used in Naval combat are based on the arcane arts.[5]
no word on if siege weapons can be on naval though
but they broke them up into two separate things in the quoted sentence
cold dune
What’s the rough estimate of when the game is coming out
oak depot
if Nostradamus was a good prophet he would say Dec 2022
raven grotto
Just in time for us all to get back to work after the covid cure wrong chat sry
ruby swift
There is no timeline for release. Anyone that gives you one doesn't know any more than you. The testing phases will take as long as Intrepid feels they need to or if they run into problems. They have a timeline with 30% padded onto it, but even that is at the mercy of whatever rears its head.
crystal beacon
Why does this game have tab target and action combat if tab target has 100% hit chance
If you are in range
oak depot
Risk vs. Reward is the answer
earnest hatch
Hi i would like too know if there will be an option to sync my intrepid acc and my my.com acc so the cosmetics off my intrepid acc will be
available my other acc ?
crystal beacon
That changes stuff
raven grotto
imagine hitting a head and doing 2x damage compared to auto target chest doing 1x damage?
alpine zodiac
Action more dmg/hard CC, tab less dmg/soft CC
junior ore
Why does this game have tab target and action combat if tab target has 100% hit chance
@crystal beacon 100% base sure but evasion accuracy checks will be a thing so it’s not actually 100%
alpine zodiac
Headshots are not automatic criticals
crystal beacon
If action combat has benefits it clearly makes more sense
junior ore
Not if your aim sucks
ruby swift
Please take the discussion to the regular channels.
earnest hatch
@ruby swift intrepid but i am from the the eu and will most likely play an an eu server
ruby swift
K here is how that works. At a point in the future for anyone that has an Intrepid account that wants to play on the EU servers, Intrepid will transfer your account with all your inventory and purchases to them. You do not need a separate account for My.Games.
steady ocean
Yes, you will be able to transfer your account over.
earnest hatch
@ruby swift okay thanks thats realy great news for me ^^
ruby swift
So basically you have done everything you need to worry about right now. And since you are using Intrepid, you can actually buy the future cosmetics on offer.
(Right now that functionality is down for My.Games)
hearty ermine
Does anyone know if it is possible to buy Alpha/Beta access WITHOUT the skins & other stuff in those packages? I am very interested in buying access, but I don't really care about skins
Not at the moment no
@simple ether Thanks Jahlon! Love your channel btw
ruby swift
Good timing. Heading to bed. Have fun.
sterile fjord
quick question... if i preorder now on the ashes page do i get the bonus stuff transfered on my german account later on my.games
steady ocean
Yes
sterile fjord
ah nice thanks @steady ocean and @simple ether hope you both have a greate day 🙂
kind cloud
at what lvl will a settlement be race oriented?
and can this settlement change race upon node ding?
steady ocean
once it turns from a stage 0 wilderness to a stage 1 node I would assume. At each stage the theme could change
kind cloud
it will be a total make over from one lvl to the next?
earnest hatch
yes
steady ocean
If the race that contributed the most changes
kind cloud
can the node race be changed at lvl 6? not from lvl 5 to 6, but at 6, 2nd highest lvl
steady ocean
only if it de-levels and is able to level back to up to stage 6
kind cloud
ok, ty
uneven gazelle
Does anyone know what the estimated time line for launch is? I know it’s subject to change but I can only find third parties taking a guess, nothing official.
steady ocean
Nothing official has been said by the dev team. @uneven gazelle
twilit dune
its sometime after the beta
uneven gazelle
Thank you! Yeah I’m waiting to just see if alpha two launches first and if it does I’m gonna but the beta one and two passes.
desert ivy
The dev team won't state a release date until they're sure they can meet that date. I wouldn't expect a release date before we enter the betas.
uneven gazelle
That’s fair. I’d prefer that to an unrealistic release date.
cyan coral
I just knew that in my.com , they will publish Ashes of Creation in the EU, a couple of games that they have launch in the past ,went really terrible.
The website has been hacked and lots of credit cards informations were discovered.What u ppl think about this ?Or this is false ?
steady ocean
@cyan coral You can ask in #aoc-discussion and get some good opinions perhaps.
cyan coral
ok ty
cursive rover
Hi, will all the cosmetics being sold right now, be available in the game?
._. , they look good but kinda weird buying stuff now when it's not out
And hopefully it won't turn out like eso, where all the cool mounts are cashshop
steady ocean
It's a gesture of faith in the development and progress of the game.
cursive rover
Steven keeps saying they don't need funding though 
desert ivy
Just because the game is fully funded doesn't mean it's bad to help them with a bit of extra cash
dark jungle
This says it well
fluid sonnet
I don't think the cool mounts will be restricted to the cash shop given that there is an entire skill based around breeding and creating mounts. Animal Husbandry
cursive rover
Idk, still feels kinda lame
I don't think the cool mounts will be restricted to the cash shop given that there is an entire skill based around breeding and creating mounts. Animal Husbandry
@fluid sonnet
I really hope so
dark jungle
tulip glacier
Bdo character creator doesnt let you go much past like 20% body fat. Does anyone know if I will be able to make a character terribly obese?
cursive rover
That snail horse though 😩 looks so good
dark jungle
@tulip glacier there will be limits, but we dont know exactly what they are yet
fluid sonnet
Steven says they don't need more money to complete the game which is a fact. However, that does not mean they can't use more money to potentially accelerate the process, hire on more devs, etc. Right now they have a projected goal they are following and Steven knows he has the money to fund that. This is what he is referring to when he says it is fully funded
tulip glacier
Fair enough, thanks
fluid sonnet
@tulip glacier I'd imagine that the issue with making a character model have such extreme scaling options would be difficult for making gear also scale that way and maintain the quality of the model, without literally building separate models for tiers of size
crystal beacon
Did the developers consider disallowing pvp in the starting area? Or can lvl 1s just kill each other at spawn?
desert ivy
PvP will be active in the beginning zones
steady ocean
PVP will be enabled
oak depot
I wonder if you PK at level 1 a starter and they don't fight back and you become corrupted... how long will it take to work off the corruption
steady ocean
Everyone else there will probably kill you before you get the chance
crystal beacon
so a lvl 5 character could basically kill every new player over and over?
dark jungle
no
they will reach a limit of corruption where they will not be able to kill even a level 1
steady ocean
@crystal beacon They would either be killed or their stats be so degraded that even the lower lvls could fight back and kill them.
crystal beacon
ok
steady ocean
You can read more on corruption here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Corruption
crystal beacon
But I can kill everyone at lvl 1, make a new character and start over
steady ocean
You are assuming you can kill anyone really. People can fight back and kill you instead
dark jungle
there are not going to just be low levels around the starter areas
there will be large nodes nearby as well
crystal beacon
I'm thinking about a group of griefing players
alpine zodiac
Another group is gonna make them cry
steady ocean
Perhaps you can ask in #aoc-discussion. They may be able to provide some perspectives on why most likely people won't waste time doing that on launch, or ever really.
potent ingot
My biggest worry is that guild will farm bounty hunters by sacrificing one person to a ton of corruption and then waiting around for bounty hunters to show up.
potent ingot
meaning that the other guildies would be attacking a non-combatant if they attack the bounty hunters fighting the corrupted?
steady ocean
@potent ingot You can only get raw resources/craftables from bounty hunters, so it really isn't worth trying to "farm" them. They most likely won't be carrying any, and corrupted don't get gear from killing bounty hunters.
potent ingot
ohh okay
steady ocean
Only corrupted players potentially drop gear
potent ingot
thanks for clearing that up. figured there'd be a griefing guild that did that.
blissful meteor
Hi everyone, i have two things that are worrying me about the game:
- The availability limit on freeholds- is it going to stop players from being able to choose a non gathering profession?
- Is it possible to filter or get low noise spell effects from other players? I worry i won't be able to see my on character spells on a small 8 person party.
ivory latch
The map is big plenty of spaces
steady ocean
@blissful meteor 1: Players will have the ability to use friends/"familys" freeeholds, so that will keep your options open. 2: Steven has talked about the option to turn down effects, so I would assume you can cut down on those. You should also have buff icons showing what is affecting you also
blissful meteor
Thank you very much @steady ocean
low garden
Hello everyone,
shooting this message regarding upgrading my Braver of Worlds KICKSTARTER tier to Leader of Men through the intrepid store. I have already submitted a ticket through support to get this issue fixed but so far they have only gotten back with "leader of men pack should be visible now in the store". This wasn't really the issue as I was able to see the pack before submitting the ticket. The issue is how do I upgrade my account for free as the KICKSTARTER Braver of Worlds is equivalent in price to Leader of Men in the Intrepid Store. This was mentioned by mods here that this is possible. I moved it to my cart but when I go to checkout there is only payment methods. Do I have to pay the $500 again? Will it get refunded? Or is there a different way that anyone here upgraded their KICKSTARTER Braver of Worlds to Leader of Men in the Intrepid Studio. I have linked my account with the Kickstarter code so the $500 is in my transaction history. If there isn’t a solid answer, I will continue to wait but it has been almost 3 days since the last response, and I know the next alpha is right around the corner.
quasi karma
the world map looks pretty basic. Are there no flying island magic barriers Tornado zones pitless holes or any other magic stuff to break the monotonous world?
steady ocean
@quasi karma There could be, but it depends on which nodes the players in the server choose to progress.
low garden
Oh, so what I am seeing in my store is already the discount? So if someone else who didn't have the BOW from kickstarter linked to their account they would see $1000 for LOM?
well then....big oof....thanks for clearing that up
spark cobalt
How long do you stay a combatant after becoming one from attacking another combatant?
Until you die or after accumulating a certain amount of exp. or after waiting some amount of time?
I know if you leave an open world BG you will become a non-combatant after waiting a little bit
distant charm
Should i contact support if i don't have any of my forum badges? or are they only cosmetic on the forums and will eventually be added to my account?
steady ocean
@spark cobalt I'm not certain it has been clarified as of yet.
cold wasp
How the talent changing will work? for exemple if you want to swap your 2nd class, or you messed up on a skill. will it cost something or will you just have to go to a certain place to be able to reset and swap 2nd class
spark cobalt
@steady ocean thanks. I think that has a big impact on pvp.
If low level players stay a combatant for a long time after becoming one then they won't want to pvp until they are near max level because a high level combatant will eventually find and one shot them
steady ocean
@cold wasp Probably a bit of both, the specifics have not been fully released. Only that we will have the ability to respec.
stable cedar
Just got back to following this game, saw some posts a couple of days old about my.com publisher and Steven mentioning we would get more info soon, has that happened?
cold wasp
@steady ocean OK thank you, will soon see then
desert ivy
@stable cedar No
It's almost certainly just info regarding the my.games store
Probably just that the store will soon have Ashes on it again
cold wasp
I really really really really hope that the gear will be optimised for all the classes , even if you chose a weird class. It's important having this freedom, probably the most important. I know they are doing their best. But I don't want to see in late game all the same classes in pvp.
Something else, I hope there won't be any dps/healing meter like in wow, it brings toxicity to mmorpg.
Anyway, you're doing a really nice thing, always dreamed about creating my own big mmo, keep it real!
white bluff
a hour ago, i just got an email from aoc.my.com about preordering. but you can´t preorder. Unfortunately purchases are currently disabled due to technical difficulties. 
btw nice videos jahlon. keep it up
brittle ferry
They're using the trinity method @cold wasp so there should be a place for everyone.
The hard part is going to be figuring & fleshing out the secondary classes?
slow meadow
gear will be customizable by crafters so that adjustments to stats can happen not just based on your class but also on your current build (remember two people both playing a class may have chosen different skills to put points in and different augments)
cold wasp
@brittle ferry yes, I'm talking more about the balance when u pick your secondary class, for exemple if u do a main class range dps, and secondary class tank
I hope you will feel your class
cold wasp
@slow meadow yes I know in theory it's perfect, but in late game, will it be enough, the synergy between this class and this one will be the same as others?
@brittle ferry that's really important indeed, it's like in Archeage, it made this game really good thanks to this. They just fucked it up with the p2w
slow meadow
@cold wasp no it will most certainly not equate to balanced classes. that's not the intended design. they are not balancing for 1v1, but more your role in a small scale pvp. You will have strengths and weaknesses and your effectiveness is going to shift based on content. Obviously they will try and keep things from being too drastic but shooting for perfect balance ends in homogenization and lack of interesting and deep gameplay.
cold wasp
@slow meadow OK I see, to have more synergy between the members of a group, it makes sens
cold dune
When will we be able to reserve our name if you brought the pack?
steady ocean
During Alpha 1
cold dune
Didn't alpha 1 already come out?
fickle island
No
crisp holly
@cold wasp Steven has said before when asked that it will feel like there are 64 classes
So in theory each will be pretty different than another
cold dune
How do I get access to alpha 1 then?
alpine zodiac
You can't
cobalt glen
@cold wasp I am just speculating like everyone else, but the way I have understood the explanations that the creators have provided is that the secondary class will be more of a customization of the abilities that your Primary class has. So if you were a Fighter Primary with a Tank secondary, you might get a little more Threat generation or CC with your abilities, as opposed to a Rogue that could possibly give you some Stealth or additional Backstab damage, or a Cleric could give you some Healing as you deal damage. Again the concepts that I have listed are just random ideas, but that is the concept of how the Secondary classes will effect your character, as I understood it.
crystal beacon
Question: Will each subclass have a strong fantasy identity or will the indenity of the class mostly be determed by the first class that would make it around 8 classes
true ridge
Have they ever said anything about whether or not you can plant things in the open world like ArcheAge?
illegal farms plz
dense shore
Main class is your identity, subclass gives variety in these identities.
crisp holly
@crystal beacon first archetype
dense shore
A fighter with a dash could augment it as a mage secondary, to remove the cast time and make it a blink, or change CC effect to a freeze instead of a normal stun. With a different subclass, you get different effects
You don't have 64 different class identities, that's unreasonable. But you'll have a lot of variety between the same class due to the subclasses
woven vale
Your primary class will dictate skills, your secondary dictates how the skills can work, it adds no new skills but builds upon existing ones.
@true ridge You can plant crops in your freehold
true ridge
Yes... but can you plant them not-in-your-freehold
that's kind of the main point of the question
steady ocean
We don't know
true ridge
kk, thanks
tardy granite
Hey there! Ive a quest ion about the arena system in the game. I heard there will be 1v1 and 5v5 arena, are there any plans one 3v3? I feel like 5v5 is a bit much and 1v1 is obviously almost impossible to balance
steady ocean
The devs are not trying to balance around 1 v 1, more closely to groups of 8.
limber tendon
so how will that affect arenas?
steady ocean
Some classes will be better than others I'd assume https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Arenas This is what we know currently
tardy granite
Yeah I know that @steady ocean but they said there will be 1v1 and 5v5 so as @limber tendon says how does that affect the arena thingy
stoic charm
I woulda thought arenas would be 4v4, 8v8 and 16v16
steady ocean
@tardy granite
tardy granite
That will most likely be the case and thats fine I guess, as mentioned 1v1 is basically impossible to balance
Ohh that you alot @steady ocean last thing I heard was 1v1 and 5v5
limber tendon
omg death match thats news to me 
thanks for the answer
feral cloud
Will there be open world duel? Like, if both players concent then there wont be any penalty besides ego loss.
fickle island
I believe so @feral cloud
steady ocean
Yup! We don't have many details, but we may be able to assume that they will be tied into military nodes. TBD though 🙂
wary steppe
Has there been many specifics about the crafting system yet? I just got turned onto this game’s existence 2 days ago, and still haven’t caught up on everything announced yet.
fickle island
steady ocean
@wary steppe I'd recommend taking a look through the wiki and let us know if you have any specific questions. https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Crafting
fickle island
About all that's out there
onyx knoll
Do you mean details like what the process for it would be in details? then no
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Artisan_classes <- this also has the jobs we know of, it's not a full list just what has been confirmed
wary steppe
Yeah @onyx knoll that was mainly it.
onyx knoll
Yeah sorry they haven't finished fleshing it out so we don't have much at the moment
wary steppe
I’m not going to say I’m hyped for this game. I will definitely say I’m intrigued and invested to see how it turns out
crystal beacon
Dont know if this has been decided yet, but if i were to first pick mage and then fighter, how would that work?
steady ocean
you would choose from 4 augments that change parts of your fighter skills in various ways @crystal beacon
onyx knoll
@crystal beacon your first archetype determines your skills, the second one will give you augments that will change those skills. We don't know yet what the augments will do in details
abstract barn
@idle siren Do you have any concerns about what effects the head start will have on the economy, landscape, and power balance of the server?
crystal beacon
ait
fickle island
It's only going to be a few servers, possibly only 1 or 2, there will be servers without headstart. @abstract barn
onyx knoll
@abstract barn Headstart is only on specific servers, so it won't affect most servers. Additionally, most of the features will be disabled for those two days like node progression
steady ocean
The head start servers will be severely limited @abstract barn
onyx knoll
@abstract barn you can read more on it here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Head_start
vagrant barn
If we go into Kickstarter and back with 25 does that mean we get all the skins and such for backers?
steady ocean
the kickstarter campaign is no longer available if that is what you are asking @vagrant barn
vagrant barn
Ah bummer, some of those mounts were cool.
onyx knoll
yeah sorry, kickstarter ended in 2017 :/
errant chasm
so with intrepid bucks ( referral money ) does it count for the 4 people that got $375 packs that were referred to me?
onyx knoll
@vagrant barn Only thing you can buy now is the monthly packs on the official shop https://accounts.ashesofcreation.com/shop the cosmetics change every month or so, so maybe you'll get one you like eventually
wary steppe
My biggest decision is gonna come down to if I wan’t to be part of a guild, or if I want to try to run as a non entity. On one hand, might be fun just being some guy with a homestead building up a trade and paying my taxes like a good citizen, watching the powers that be duke it out for royalty status....
On the other hand, kinda want a griffin.
unreal zealot
i mean theres nothing to say there wont be griffins as tier 2 mount that can glide
onyx knoll
@wary steppe You don't need to be in a guild to have a griffin. 1- they are actually gliding mount which everyone can use, and 2- if you want the flying version then you can be the mayor of a metropolis-size node, which is irrelevant of having a guild (tho probably would be easier with people backing you in some cases)
wary steppe
Didn’t realize that they could be gliding mounts! Non entity it is.
And yeah, I know about the mayor of metro Royal status, but that’s still going to be just as fought over as king.
unreal zealot
all i wish for is the phrog pet skin to be a mount skin one day ❤️
undone trout
Question - In regards for LEFT HANDED PLAYERS - many of us plays vastly different from our counterpart and even within other Lefties.
For me - one of the biggest make it or break it is the KEYBIND FUCTIONS.
Are we able to Keybind the following Keys: ENTER - Left Shift - Left CTRL - Left Alt - all of the NUMPAD Keys - Insert/Home/Pg up/down / End / Del?????
Are we able to add combination keys such as Left Shift + Numpad 1.
I like to reiterate certain keys are vastly important - for me personally - ENTER key is my jump key and I hate games that has a hard bind and forces us to use enter for chat log and not being able to re-bind it. Most lefties don't play WASD. Left hand on mouse - right hand on numpad - so those shifts/ctrl/alt keys are VITAL for us.
steady ocean
I think Steven has mentioned there will be some form of customization, but you may be able to post on the official forums or reddit if a dev does not respond here for clarification.
Perhaps @plucky pawn you know? In regards to @undone trout's question
wintry seal
@wary steppe You don't need to be in a guild to have a griffin. 1- they are actually gliding mount which everyone can use, and 2- if you want the flying version then you can be the mayor of a metropolis-size node, which is irrelevant of having a guild (tho probably would be easier with people backing you in some cases)
@onyx knoll wait i have a question....what goes up must come down concept...if u have griffons to glide down...ad not fly....u need to first be in air or be able to fly to glide down first right? whats the point of gliding mount if u cant have a fly mount and u are only on land?
plucky pawn
We do plan to give you lots of options to customize, including the ability to set your own keybinds - some of that was present in Apocalypse testing as well 
steady ocean
@wintry seal Different terrain heights my friend. Some places are higher than others, and it is faster to glide down a mountain than it would be to go down by land on a land mount.
unreal zealot
@wintry seal well there will probably very high areas that would be easier to get down from with a gliding mount than walking back down or through what ever way you got there originally the gliding mount is stil la normal mount used on the ground with the extra function
reef osprey
@wintry seal hills, mountains, roofs
wary steppe
@wintry seal I’m sure there will be cliffs, valleys, ect. The gliding will be a good strategic advantage in such places.
reef osprey
also gliding mounts might have a jump ability that gives you a bit of height initially
slow meadow
@undone trout if you watch the apoc videos you can see people deploying the gliding gryphons, it would be something along those lines, obviously tweaked for the mmo. so jumping off a cliff and gliding down to another area and the like.
crystal beacon
Would be cool if there are mountain guild halls
wary steppe
Honestly... I’m was just more interested in the fact it was a griffon. Call me an old fashioned nerd, but there’s something about a knight wielding spear and shield riding atop a Griffin that appeals to me.
The tactical advantages are just a plus.
errant chasm
so with intrepid bucks ( referral money ) does it count for the 4 people that got $375 packs that were referred to me?
yup i got them all to show up before they bought in
fat stonks
errant chasm
yea and 1 is getting the 250 pack
crystal beacon
Are there officiall numbers how many pre order packs have been sold so far?
errant chasm
not as far as ik
jesus
wonder how many alpha 2 servers they'll actually have or if were gona deal with a queue to get in at this rate
fresh elbow
@simple ether Hi we should chat let me know what works best for you.
crystal beacon
2018
That should have at least doubled
If not multiplied by 10
Due to the progress the last few months
tulip ember
How many console gamers do I need to sacrifice for a Alpha 1 key? @idle siren unless we are somehow planning to port to consoles
rotund herald
What is the average time for the support team to answer a support ticket ?
steady ocean
Que times are extended at the moment as the customer support team is getting a lot of tickets with the influx of new people, try to give them a few days to a week @rotund herald
rotund herald
Okay all good ill just wait patiently not like it a dire needs question
i guess ill ask here again maybe you guys know. If i fx upgraded my current Kickstarter package to warrior of old would the upgrade to Braver of world then also become cheaper for a later upgrade?
steady ocean
You pay the difference between what you have and what you want to upgrade to. So if you have a $250 pack, and BoW costs $500, you would pay the $250 difference
rotund herald
Okay great to know and thanks.
limber magnet
I just did the 375 for all the things. I just felt you get more value for money for in game sub and more embers
opaque nacelle
Will a characters health and defenses be tied to the class they choose or is it tied to a more armor. So like will a tank class's health and defenses be better than a like rouge because of the class, or can a rouge have better defenses than they tank if they wear the right armor?
Yes to what? The class giving stats, armor being the main thing for stats, or is it a mix of both?
steady ocean
It's a mix of a lot of stuff. Class/race/armor/etc
You can read more here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Stats if you are interested @opaque nacelle
opaque nacelle
Oh ok thanks
limber tendon
Does that mean that you'll need 2 different kinds of tanks for dungeons? One with Cloth gear for magic mobs and one with Heavy Armor for physical damage mobs?
craggy panther
I had a question asked by one of my guild members, Will NPC's and such be voice acted? Figured it would be a good question to ask here and see if it had been answered previously
steady ocean
Probably just a good healer @limber tendon
limber tendon
ah ok
steady ocean
@craggy panther Just a few greetings, no fully voiced quests. Although they may do more voice work after launch as a way to add polish to quests and such
errant chasm
most dungeons are open world from what we've seen so doubt you get a full run waiting for some bosses / mobs to respawn @limber tendon
limber tendon
yeah that sounds about right will be difficult to finish an entire dungeon with all the competition around
primal hawk
@steady ocean what is BoW I thought 375 was the highest package on the shop? Are there other packages I’m missing?
steady ocean
@primal hawk Braver of Worlds. Anyone that purchased kickstarter packs or summer backer packs can still upgrade to those higher tier packs. Similar to how we can upgrade the current pre-order packs
sharp wing
Only one summer backers can't upgrade to is avatar of the phoenix. Learned that the other day.
crystal beacon
?
distant charm
If people upgrade to those larger packs will they get access to say A1 if that said package comes with it?
steady ocean
Yup, just need to put in a ticket to get the email.
distant charm
got a link to that support ticket page xD
tropic garden
Hello, I need help, I send a Ticket for accessing NDA Channels for Alpha 1 testing but 2 days already but I got No Reply. Is it working or I need to wait longer?
steady ocean
@tropic garden The customer support team is pretty backed up right now, so I'd give 'em a few more days. They are going down the tickets in order they receive them, so you will be taken care of it might just be a bit longer than normal wait
tropic garden
OK,
grizzled latch
it has been about 5-7 days for a response recently
tropic garden
that long for them to response to a Ticket?
crystal flax
Like Tavern said, they've been getting a lot lately
onyx knoll
they've been swamped since the Asmon/Peon etc videos
tropic garden
Ya, I got it
hollow wadi
this : Of all these games that are coming with a more realistic theme, AOC is the one that has more enchanted. I ask the developers to give life to the characters. The Mage or I heard a lot of "haaa" "Huuuu" some sounds of effort. Make her say something, like invocations. More life to the characters = more immersion.
Success for AOC.
candid lava
are the 5 zones equal sized?
onyx knoll
@candid lava what 5 zones?
candid lava
the Castle Regions
The entire map is divided into 5 Castle regions right? and not just 1 continent?
narrow eagle
Sorry if this has been asked before, but I couldn't find it in my searches... but will classes that choose a primary archtype that is NOT tank, but choose a secondary archtype of tank be balanced around being able to tank end game content?
candid lava
I doubt it, as the 2nd archetype just provides the augments to your primary skills iirc
crystal beacon
as of right now, the only tank we know is tank.
narrow eagle
Thank you! disappointed to hear that, but definitely understand it, would be a lot of tank classes if that was the case, lol, and would be probably difficult to balance a mage tank with a full tank. Thanks for the quick reply!
unreal zealot
I think the secondary does alot more than just augment a new flavor onto existing skills as they can change the way you would use them or depending on circumstances say for a fighter/cleric give self healing on attacks. and i think thats an important distinction when people say they add flavor to existing abilities imo
past pewter
tank/tank is probably immortal
slow meadow
@unreal zealot secondaries can change your playstyle but not your role. its more than flavor, but doesn't fundamentally shift what you are expected to do.
narrow eagle
Hopefully there is a way to play tank to do some decent damage as well, so I can play tank on my own but roll into guild raids to help dps, or maybe it won't be as strict as current games of only needing 1 or 2 tanks for encounters
candid lava
Yeah so hopefully picking Rogue/Fighter/Mage as a secondary should help with that
unreal zealot
@slow meadow oh yeh i wouldnt expect a cleric/tank to be able to fully change how the base archtype is meant to be played i can imagine this perticular combo to probably have one of your heals can increase the targets threat generation by x amount for x seconds or vise versa
tropic garden
@tropic garden Have you signed your NDA already?
@simple ether No, I try to, I make a Ticket but I got not Reply yet.
frozen dune
During Sieges/Node Wars, will there be destructible environments?
pseudo nest
any chance we can get another example of augments besides the rush example?
versed hollow
@pseudo nest Unfortunately, it was exacly that, an example. Specific details on what secondary classes will provide won't be known till later
pseudo nest
i know 😢 i just want another crumb lol
crystal beacon
i have an important question
will we get musical instruments in the game
playing animations
candid lava
@pseudo nest Have you seen the predator cinematic video they launched couple years back...in that they show the character using bow which kills 2 guards in 1 shot...that might be an example of ranger augment on Rogue Primary
I have a question based on that...are weapons class locked?
pseudo nest
i heard they werent class locked but you would need certain weapons for certain abilities
fickle island
No gear is class locked.
slow meadow
correct you dont have to use a shield to tank but it may influence the abilities you want to put skill points in to like that shield bash
grand tendon
Is there any prediction of another lifetime sub package being made available this Christmas?
proven root
can assume tank will use some shield skills, ranger some bow skils, etc. so not using these weapons would make these skills not worth investing into
grand tendon
JAHLON!
Dude I took some heavy time off discord
I hope you're well man
Aye, ty. I need to hit your channel up again
deft raptor
has there been any info on what would be higher dps a rouge with a ranger augments or a ranger with rogue augments. new to the hype train so sorry if its a dumb question
deft raptor
gotcha, the beauty of new games and the curse. no "this is the build for this" but you get to figure it out with everyone on the way
gotcha @simple ether i know its still early and a lot is subject to change was just wondering if any info for best tank best dps etc. has been released
pseudo nest
hopefully they wouldnt just outright say what the best dps and tank spec is
also if you take into account race augments, religion, social, etc. theres no way to know what best will be
past vortex
hallow venture
Yeah our theorycrafting so far has been akin to trying to make a cake with a single egg
And nothing else
crystal beacon
what about wielding two two handed weapons
main mason
Are there going to be scythe weapons?
reef osprey
@crystal beacon not unless you find a 4 handed race to play
sick whale
Will there be weapons/armor that can not be dropped in corrupted mode?
Like legendaries
final oxide
Will weapons that are made be very customizable? Like a selection of gaurds, blades, ect?
tall beacon
Will I be able to level entirely within my home node or nodes in that nodes ZOI?
reef osprey
@sick whale
this hasn't been explicitly confirmed or denied from the side of Intrepid
but i would go under the assumption, that regular death penalities for corrupted players will apply to all types of equipment, as it wasn't denied explicitly
i'm not sure either why you'd need legendaries to slaughter people who don't fight back in the first place
reef osprey
@tall beacon theoretically yes, will it be optimal for your personal progression? probably no
final oxide
I don't see why you couldn't
tall beacon
I plan to be an islander, is there a global node map I can look at?
reef osprey
there is a global map, the nodes aren't marked on it though
final oxide
Beat me to it
tall beacon
that left island gonna be poppin, hope theres good node there
sick whale
@reef osprey True, but if you do happen to lose rare items it's gonna be a real pain considering you probably grinded weeks for those good weapons
tall beacon
am I correct in saying, if I need resources that exist only in the snow mountain area, that's going to be super fucking expensive "most likely" on that island?
If thats a thing that is
reef osprey
@sick whale that's the risk you took when you decided to kill an innocent
tall beacon
@sick whale Probably just have a world pvp set for such situations
Have they spoke to the viability of gear optimal for pvp/pve, I'd hope they're similar as the systems are intertwined
sick whale
What if you accidentally become corrupt tho
tall beacon
good good
sick whale
or whatever
reef osprey
@tall beacon different resources are more likely to be in different area, yes
which will cause different items to have different values in localized market place
which in turn creates an incentive for caravan runs
sick whale
Like you decide to obliterate that annoying guy who attacked you, but you AoE'd and insta killed a gearless player in 1 hit
reef osprey
how do you accidentally become corrupted?
accidentally hit your keyboard with your head while falling asleep?
tall beacon
Do caravans have set routes? Or could I theoretically sail all the way around, for example. If my ship building is super leveled and its better for me to do so than not
sick whale
You get penalties for killing ''innocents'' in other games all the time, while they tried to attack first
cobalt shale
Do you have to kill someone to become corrupt, or just attack them once?
sick whale
you gotta kill someone who doesnt fight back
sick whale
You guys are gonna say how r u gonna get corrupted accidentally, butbelieve me. It will happen
tall beacon
i feel like you could game that pretty hard. As if I were attacked by someone I'd want them to get corrupted but, that means I must die per say if they're going for a node I am as well
final oxide
To get to the point of dropping items you have to kill multiple. Corrupt has levels.
marsh tulip
Will we be able to swim to an island day one?
final oxide
You choose were you start
reef osprey
@sick whale
they mentioned some type of "checkbox" you have to tick for your aoe skills to accidentally hit greens
@simple ether please correct me if i'm wrong there
final oxide
Oh that's nice
tall beacon
I dont think any islands are a starting point @marsh tulip but I think you could probably head there day 1
Unless theres surface level water mobs that will get you
sick whale
ok well that makes sense
sick whale
I assume when you clap some flagged cheeks in a town guards will kill you?
glossy flicker
Is flaging instant or do you have to hold down key for a while to flag yourself?
marsh tulip
I know they're not starting points, just I kind of see what kind of out of the way spot I could make it day one
tall beacon
Island does seem like the play for that reason @marsh tulip "sorry for discussion comment"
reef osprey
@sick whale no, killing other combatans is consentual pvp and you don't get corruption from that
tall beacon
is there an estimate on Alpha 2 release?
glossy flicker
becasue if it's going to be instant beleive me it's going to happend on accitend that's where my qestion is going.
tall beacon
I aska bout alpha 2 estimate because I'm waiting to choose my class based on research of augments. Bard with Cleric Secondary sounds awesome
tall beacon
You think within a year? I remember reading somewhere they estimated a 2020 release a while back, unless I read it wrong
reef osprey
@tall beacon that was delayed a long time ago
hallow venture
Tbh even they won’t know at this point
slow meadow
yeah
reef osprey
ai
hallow venture
Better to scrap and rebuild than just bake in the tech debt
tall beacon
I agree, idk why anyone would think its stupid. I love the idea of a separate game that is just as fun on its own, but for testing content for AoC
very unique
sick whale
@simple ether So because of the producer the game takes a lot longer? So the game would have been really trash then if it released now basically
tall beacon
which producer is that @simple ether
sick whale
😂
tall beacon
is he, the senior producer?
reef osprey
well, i won't judge him as long as his poor taste won't translate into ashes 
sick whale
^this guy knows what's up
crystal beacon
they planned to release before 2020
main mason
Jahlon are you making a guild? becoming mayor?
crystal beacon
that would have flopped the game
sick whale
Delaying games is a big brain move almost every time
except for cyberpunk
that game looks like trash judging from the recent trailer
errant chasm
not gona go well for new world now that ashes got all this hype who would be caught dead playing that game
sick whale
isn't AoC ramping up marketing because of the delay?
crystal beacon
i have an important question
@plucky pawn what is if i want to buy the current pack on eu?
sorry to ping
the one with the red skins
errant chasm
that 1's been gone for months
crystal beacon
since the shop is down
slow meadow
@sick whale they aren't marketing at all yet. the influx was all from the lazy peon vid and big streamers reacting. steven did those interviews on the fly
crystal beacon
it technically is still on eu
sick whale
Yeah I guess that, that's where I found the game from. The peon vid
which was pretty epic ngl
errant chasm
id imagine if fix the current shop it'll let u buy the current 1
reef osprey
@crystal beacon wait for stevens announcement end of the month
everything else is speculation
crystal beacon
i really want the current one on eu
errant chasm
thats busted
crystal beacon
the one with the red luminated skins
technically it is still this one displayed, no?
was there another one before?
on eu that is
i mean
is this the first time it is shown on eu
so the shop has been down since march?
main mason
@simple ether are you making a guild?
sick whale
If this outfit is obtainable without pre-order I ain't even gotta pre-order
That looks nutty
crystal beacon
so is the eu shop down since march
sick whale
frick.. So I won't be able to get it
crystal beacon
lol
winter field
does anyone have a list of all previous monthly cosmetics?
eternal wraith
What is the estimated length Alpha1 and 2? Like 3 months each?
tall beacon
ive seen more creativity in this games cosmetics than any other
winter field
good looks thanks
main mason
@simple ether are you planning on becoming mayor, and if so have you thought about a name for your town?
tall beacon
I wouldnt worry about availability of awesome looking gear
winter field
i hope they cycle back in older cosmetics that already past
that blacksight watcher pet skin is crispy
eternal wraith
Is there a place I can check on for length of time on alphas and betas?
winter field
the length isnt disclosed i believe
sick whale
I LOVE the fact that mayors aren't voted through polls only. This way anyone can become mayor if they have the willpower, and not just popular streamers/guild peoples become mayors
winter field
its until needed
coral raven
Will they cycle outfits? I won't be able to get any but I hope that those who invested early get their exclusive items.
eternal wraith
Oh, that makes sense. Ty
winter field
ah that makes me big ole sad
that raven pet skin
this is why we missed having ya here bud, you are a wiki by yourself
coral raven
Who said they have to be traditional werewolves?
winter field
I'm hoping they do more racial skins like the old angel one
coral raven
Just saying, doesn't have to be very traditional
tall beacon
That red and black galleon ship is Bis, its the only thing I want
coral raven
Maybe a summoner fighter? Sorry this is more of a discussion.
ruby swift
Morning @simple ether Got the two updates about My.Games and Apoc from around 5 hours ago. Anything else I miss?
floral iris
hahaha, let's face it. If it's a spreadsheet for work, most of the times you're not going to be happy. If it's a spreadsheet for personal use..... well....... make that page shine baby
Yo here's a question... Are you able to have your friends who are let's say a part of your family, work on your freeholds? like say i wanted to make one thing, can you get someone to work on another task?
lilac cloud
Is it true mobs don’t drop currency but items that U have to turn in / sell to get money ?
junior pagoda
I would think spreadsheets would be fun, if they have to do with classes, professions, augments, etc
if it is just numbers than f that
Do seasons have any impact on farming/ crops
stray current
severe flame
ruby swift
Nope, is possible, you just may not be able to grow certain crops, while others will be fine.
junior pagoda
I understand season is not region, his answer made me curious about the desert regions, as seasons have less of an effect there.
crystal beacon
Do religions have some sort of mechanic interaction with divine nodes?
brittle ferry
I don't believe we know those specifically but I'll take a looksee
crystal beacon
Ive looked at the wiki and we just have so little information on it. 😦
dreamy temple
i'll be disappointed if there arent religious wars.
brittle ferry
Yeah, we've seen talk about passives related to people's characters but exact info on the mechanic to the interactions of any of the nodes isn't known knowledge
crystal beacon
Religions give augments to abilities and other passives. And all of the node types have superpowers when they reach metro status.
Also I think there will be religious wars. I think religions may stronger depending on how many nodes they have a temple in.
marsh tulip
I'm wondering if there will be evil God religions
crystal beacon
Dont you lack abilities then if you choose to be an atheist
slow meadow
You may lack augments but not abilities. Abilities are granted by your archetype.
floral patrol
Are there PC spec recommendations anywhere yet? Helping build a pc for a friend for the game.
This works for me.
Thank you
slim dagger
just get top end market now
solved. pc for ashes.
and every other game for the next 5-7 years
crystal beacon
Wait
Majors in military nodes are determined by a gladiator arena
So free for all?
slow meadow
1v1 tournament fought via a champion you raise and control
slow meadow
A design they are thinking to use to combat pvp imbalance so that skill wins that node
slow meadow
Its effort and skill really, since you need to put in the effort of raising the champion then skill to win the tournament. Its a good idea if it pans out during testing.
crystal beacon
In an economic node you buy your mayor title or what?
fickle island
Yeah it goes to the highest bidder
slow meadow
Sort of. There is a separate currency that you can gain from quests and successful economic transactions so its not just pile in on the money, though this isn't super detailed yet.
There some light details on the wiki but they want to find a way like with the military node to add some balance to it.
crystal beacon
I so have to play the test server, else this is way too confusing
Also sorry to ask again but
How long is the eu shop down already
The pack it shows there is 2 packs behind
Thanks yeah, i am more concerned about the cosmetics haha
So is the pack it shows there gone for sure?
ruby swift
The red one? Yes
winter field
damn jahlon you are still here answering questions
ruby swift
It is what we do.
crystal beacon
I do have a mygames account that is older than the pack
But is there any other requirement
ruby swift
We don't know the requirements or what will happen there. There has been no info.
steady ocean
@dark jungle There is a forest temple that needs to be added to the wiki that we found tonight during our stream. 
https://youtu.be/vBBUXH6unZc?t=493
dark jungle
That's in there my friend
steady ocean
Ah, I must be looking in the wrong area.
dark jungle
steady ocean
Ah, just not listed by name. Gotcha
What about the potential unofficial leak about cannons being on ships? Was that ever clarified?
ruby swift
They had said long ago that there would be cannons, just not black powder cannons.
desert ivy
@dark jungle Stallion Prime isnt in the cosmetic mount list Dad
dark jungle
@steady ocean I believe the info is here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Ships#Guns_and_gunpowder
steady ocean
Doesn't list cannons, but perhaps falls under the "arcane arts" part. Cool. I'll keep a look out for more stuff!
half apex
Look for ships on wiki an you can find it at naval combat.
dark jungle
@desert ivy added now, thanks!