Leader of Men? It wasn't capped.
#questions
desert ivy
sharp hare
If i understood correctly you dont have to use my.com, it does not have any benefits, only when the game launches and you need to login for spesific region
crystal beacon
You will be able to transfer any account purchase on IS to the EU Publisher
steady ocean
No, you can transfer your account purchases
Also, buying the pre-order packs doesn't determine which server you play on
warm rune
well it is very confused. it felt like Indie MMORPG XD
sharp hare
They are building the game in the US as a self publisher but for EU they need someone else to publish due to laws and other time/money consuming things, thats why two different sites, in the end its pretty simple if you think about it
steady ocean
I think we can move on lol, it's been explained in 20 different ways from every angle
loud fulcrum
I just saw the new cosmetics available on the store and I was just thinking "will there be cosmetics that are only earmarked by completing achievements." I haven't seen them say that yet and now I'm worried. Games like Destiny and WoW do the same stuff and no one likes it.
Earnable*
steady ocean
@loud fulcrum There will be titles and cosmetics that may be tied to achievements https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Achievements
sharp hare
As for earmarked no idea
desert ivy
I mean, yes, there will be stuff that's obtainable through earning achievements
thorn reef
dumb dumb question...if I start off with the 75 dollar and upgrade later to the top shelf voyager package...does it backdate all the voyager perks to when I started the 75 package? Or do I only get the voyager stuff on that future date going forward?
sharp hare
Maybe if there will be "First person to climb highest mountain will receive this golden goat mount" type of things, that would be cool
desert ivy
I've never seen anyone who hates the idea of cosmetics or stuff being locked behind achievements though
loud fulcrum
Earnable was auto corrected to earmarked lol
steady ocean
@thorn reef You only get the cosmetics from the current theme, and any future cosmetics at that tier or lower you buy
silk fractal
will they tell us in advance when they remove alpha 2
or they could remove the alpha 2 packs anytime
?
steady ocean
So if you bought the current one, and upgrade after the 5th, you would get the new cosmetics and not be able to get the ones currently in the store right now (pre Aug- 5th). If that makes sense @thorn reef
loud fulcrum
@desert ivy same. Everyone likes bragging rights
steady ocean
Yes @silk fractal
storm raptor
@silk fractal they will tell us in advance
thorn reef
makes sense @steady ocean...I wish I could strip out the alpha/beta access for cheaper swag. I don't want to play til official launch day
I plan to snare some friends into playing and wanted it to be "fresh" for everyone
steady ocean
Unfortunately in your case, the main purpose of the pre-order packs is to sell that access. Cosmetics are secondary. You can choose not to play though
thorn reef
I get it. Oh well. If this is the quality of cosmetics now...it'll only get better in time.
they're awesome looking now too
tawny bluff
https://ashesofcreation.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360035258254-How-do-I-find-my-Kickstarter-Backer-Number- @steady ocean here I found clear instructions
charred creek
Any News about when Alpha 1 is coming?
low path
end of the year
sinful nebula
Is it possible to have cometics from new packs if you already bought the highest price pack from the last comestics ?
lean burrow
can you take abilities from your main class and from your second class to make the skill set you want say i pick a bard and take mage as my second class does that mean i could get gift of the magi and use it on bard ?
onyx knoll
@sinful nebula yes you should be able to individually buy any cosmetics for reduced price
@lean burrow secondary archetypes won't give you new skills, but rather they will give you augments that will modify your primary skills
civic obsidian
is there anymore info on bard than whats on the wiki for now ?
forest pike
Is parkour still gonna be a thing?
unkempt gale
When will we get a fire skin pack? Ugh dont want Ocean or Swamp lol. now i gotta pick whch one i dislike the least
(im not actually complaining btw)
arctic sky
Try again next month
unkempt gale
lol true
dire pond
Do personnal caravane create an icon on the map just like an NPC caravan?
nimble charm
Will there be a collector a edition box available for purchase?
barren badger
How much do cosmetic items cost after you purchased the package a previous month?
forest pike
and its still only a concept art to this day 🤣
jolly nacelle
dire pond
Do personnal caravane create an icon on the map just like an NPC caravan?
cerulean mica
Am I supposed to read the Class list from left to right or from top to bottom?
Like which class is the primary one?
barren badger
ty
dire pond
Left@cerulean mica
cerulean mica
Is this the correct understanding then?
dire pond
Yeah
crystal beacon
yes
cerulean mica
Guess that does it too 😄
upbeat yarrow
@cerulean mica If I am not missing out on something, it would be the same, no matter what direction you read, as long as it is not diagonal 😁
dusk token
is there special unique skill only available to a specific subclass? for example a unique battle mage skill/passive that other mages or fighters do not have access to? or is it just having access to skills from both these class branches?
upbeat yarrow
@dusk token Unique or atleast unique adaptions
knotty dew
are the pet cosmetics for non-combat pets or combat-pets AKA summoner pets etc?
upbeat yarrow
@knotty dew I am not entirely sure. But from a game-design perspective, it should not be - for example - the summoners pets. (Sorry, that I can not say it for sure)
knotty dew
yeah I would assume they are non-combat pets also, but not sure
round zenith
any news on how summoner is going to work, havent seen much on it
arctic sky
Only what's on the wiki
oblique cedar
Is there better quality pictures of the current shop aesthetics?
They are really low resolution on the site
hasty moss
@oblique cedar best image you will get is probably the direct link to the cosmetics https://ashesofcreation.com/news/2020-08-03-boons-of-the-waveborn
wheat hamlet
Guys, this isn't an attack on the game, and I really hope it does well. That being said, does anyone else find it kind of worrying how the cosmetic items are being pushed? The whole "limited time" fear of missing out marketing technique while the game is still in alpha-0..
Prepared to get flak, but I think it's a fair observation. I don't think things should be marketed like that so early on in a games development, gives a worrying impression, especially when Steven says don't buy until you see the product, but then limited edition skins are being offered which will never be available again. That's all!
knotty dew
@wheat hamlet it is kind of a gamble, but nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything and they are purely cosmetic. I don't see a problem there, if you don't like gambling, don't gamble that is all
hasty moss
@wheat hamlet that is a valid concern, and what has been said by steven multiple times is that there will be earnable cosmetics in game that will be of the same quality as what you can buy. Skins in the shop are catered more towards those who cant spend a lot of time grinding and commiting time. To be fair, we have yet to see any examples of this so take it all with a grain of salt
radiant stone
Its definitely a marketing ploy, and kind of a good one. If the cosmetics offered something substantial I would be concerned
lean prawn
@hasty moss I think there was something along the lines that Legendary will be on par with shop items, but I'm not sure which Q&A or interview was it.
radiant stone
Spending $300++ for specific cosmetics is not something I would typically pay on a live game, but some of the sets have been pretty tempting
tulip ember
Just wish I could drop 500 on a a1 key
radiant stone
The scarcity adds a feeling of value, and I don't mind people who put their money where their hype is having cool costumes that I can't get
wheat hamlet
@royal nexus @blazing orchid @tight gale @idle siren would anyone be able to comment on this?
Appreciate your input guys.
idle siren
Hai. Can you repeat the question@for ease
wheat hamlet
Guys, this isn't an attack on the game, and I really hope it does well. That being said, does anyone else find it kind of worrying how the cosmetic items are being pushed? The whole "limited time" fear of missing out marketing technique while the game is still in alpha-0..
Prepared to get flak, but I think it's a fair observation. I don't think things should be marketed like that so early on in a games development, gives a worrying impression, especially when Steven says don't buy until you see the product, but then limited edition skins are being offered which will never be available again. That's all!
lean prawn
Which concerns me just a tiny bit (as legendary item will be unique and limited to one piece per server at a time) but Steve mentioned also that he hates the BDO system where you lok like trash until you pay, so I believe there will be some gradual improvement in visuals as you earn higher quality and higher level gear, and I *hope *max level rare gear won't be too far from the legendaries / shop items, or in other words, that it will also look "cool".
idle siren
K 1 moment 🙂
Is there a question in that? O.o or was the question do I find it concerning?
desert ivy
Basically he's asking why you're "pushing" cosmetics I think 
wheat hamlet
Sorry, there's not a particular question, more along the lines of what the initial thoughts are on the cash shop in its current state
tacit veldt
It's not just cosmetics, it's a bunch of in game stuff too if you read what's in the package. The cosmetic is just nice bonus stuff on top.
dark jungle
if its not a question, #questions prolly not a good place for it 😄
pliant ocean
The cosmetics are purely opt-in. If you want to wait for the game to full release before buying, then you can do that. If you want to support the developers as they make the game of our dreams come true, you can do that too. The latter gets you exclusive skins that are on par with skins you can earn in the game.
desert ivy
Yeah, the $375 pack for example gets the value back without even including the name reservation, or access to the alpha 2 and beta phases
short coral
^
tulip ember
Do they have to be questions about the game, Id like to know what guilds Steven was in, in various MMOs before Ashes
quiet cobalt
so alpha 1 is what is upcoming and releasing right in fall right? Also is the only way to get into that by buying the most expensive bundle?
tulip ember
No you cant get into a1 anymore without a already purchased key
crystal beacon
so alpha 1 is what is upcoming and releasing right in fall right? Also is the only way to get into that by buying the most expensive bundle?
@quiet cobalt I dont think so
timid portal
You currently cant buy into Alpha 1 unless you had a kickstarter pack that you can upgrade
hasty moss
@quiet cobalt yea and no, alpha 1 is no longer available to buy into
desert ivy
He was in and led The White Order
quiet cobalt
oh so only alpha 2 you can buy into I see, ty
tulip ember
Sounds like a Warhammer guild
desert ivy
They started in Lineage 2
And the most recent one under Stevens guild leadership was ArcheAge
radiant stone
In my experience I've always valued something if I spend months or years working towards it through playing. The cash shop/buy in cosmetics do look pretty cool, but they will not give any kind of advantage. I like the system because people who want to support the devs / have instant gratification have that option, and it doesn't affect me in any way
storm raptor
^
crystal beacon
In my experience I've always valued something if I spend months or years working towards it through playing. The cash shop/buy in cosmetics do look pretty cool, but they will not give any kind of advantage. I like the system because people who want to support the devs / have instant gratification have that option, and it doesn't affect me in any way
@radiant stone Isnt the gamefar from being done?
hexed minnow
I don't see a question?
tulip ember
I think I remember seeing that AA Guild
hollow ruin
so i was looking at the preorder packs just now. not sure which to get. afai-understand if i get the 250$ pack i can buy future cosmetics from that tier and below.
-can i only ever get mounts pet skins and accessories if i get this pack since for the other stuff i seem to require the bigger packs.
-also what are the ember prices like for single cosmetics(i dont see them as i got no pack)
idle siren
Oh I see kk. Yes we offer cosmetics for players who wish to support the project early. The exclusive nature of the limited availability is something I think collectors value. If you buy cosmetics as an mmo player, I know I enjoyed if the cosmetic is rare and not every girl at the party is wearing the same dress 💃🏻. In addition, these cosmetics are used to populate the world through npc variants and color/texture changes so their offering aligns with our production schedule. The good thing about these packs is they contain no p2w advantages and there is no box cost, so from a mechanics standpoint you do not need to buy them to excel in the game on launch. And also, there are comparable and subjectively more grand cosmetics achievable in game as well 🙂
desert ivy
Yes you can only get mounts, pets, and accessory skins from the $250 pack
arctic sky
We don't have specific dates only that it was delayed off its previous release date and are going into Alpha 1 this fall@crystal beacon
desert ivy
You can't currently use embers to buy skins in store
However, you could buy skins with Embers in Apocalypse so maybe you also will in the alpha and beta phases
tulip ember
@idle siren will numbers/symbols be usable in guild creation
steady ocean
@idle siren Any chance we will see Apocolypse testing come back to test out further combat mechanics, and if so, will those testers be able to earn the previous Apoc cosmetics? 🙂
hasty moss
run while you can steven!
sweet void
Ah not sure then saw the pack but theres also gametime added. The pack is for people to would like to support aoc and thus given cosmetics that wont be available in future for that specific variant. Plus u get to play in the alpha and beta phaes
radiant stone
Yeah, @idle siren gets it. That's why I have faith in this game.
pliant ocean
@idle siren Not a question, but I would like to thank You and all the other Intrepid Devs for working hard to make a great project come true. ❤️
primal solstice
Does power level will be aviliable ?@steven
sweet void
But most important, ure not forced to buy the pack. Its still ur decision to buy or not
strong arch
Does the map wrap around? It's probably a nightmare from a design perspective but I think it would be cool since naval travel is such a large part of the game
steady ocean
Can you rephrase your question @primal solstice
hasty moss
@primal solstice im not sure we understand, could you rephrase that?
stuck phoenix
@strong arch the world is flat 
sweet void
The development will continue whether u but the pack or not
tulip hatch
Apoc has been stated to return after Alpha 1
strong arch
@stuck phoenix figured, thanks
steady ocean
@strong arch I believe the devs are still testing if they want a globe or a flat map
brittle ferry
They're working on it @strong arch and testing if they can make it a globe or to keep it flat
arctic sundial
They're working on it @strong arch and testing if they can make it a globe or to keep it flat
@brittle ferry wdym by making it a globe?
unkempt gale
@strong arch @stuck phoenix the devs said they arnt sure if its going to be a globe or not i think
short coral
Globe with a hollow earth theory 😂
stuck phoenix
@unkempt gale the earth is flat
unkempt gale
hrrmmm
sweet void
For the tulnars it should be hollow world
wheat hamlet
@idle siren thanks for the response mate, appreciate it. Sounds good
primal solstice
yes ofc , i mean for example level 2 in party with level 20 char , will the lvl 2 char get xp or it will be 0 xp?
primal solstice
@hasty moss @steady ocean
steady ocean
@primal solstice there will be a mentor program in place. You can read more here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Leveling#Mentor_program.2F_level_scaling
sweet void
yes ofc , i mean for example level 2 in party with level 20 char , will the lvl 2 char get xp or it will be 0 xp?
@primal solstice i believ there is exp per monster per level. It eill be distributed equally between party
brittle ferry
@arctic sundial like the earth, so the eastern. Side can sail to the Western side. This question has been asked all day
lean prawn
Hi @idle siren
-
How big will be step between Legendary gear visuals and max level Rare gear? Basically comparing "the best there is" / shop - versus some high quality, yet not "that overly grindy" (compared to legendaries) kind of gear (if that makes sense). I understand what word Legendary means and that it's own tier of quality, but assuming I won't aim for legendary or shop stuff, can we get something that still inspires awe in a sense?
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Cosmetics obtainable ingame - will there be other cosmetics craftable / farmable? For example: pet skin, mount skin, caravan skin, or interesting "rare" decorations for freehold / housing?
nimble tartan
@idle siren Hello steven, any news on when the lom test will be?
short coral
Can you imagine being stevens phone
sweet void
Well i sure hope i dont look like a peacock at high lvl or glow like a discoball
oak depot
b/c how else do we get cutting-edge info
steady ocean
@lean prawn Yes, there will be cosmetics you can farm for in game.
oak depot
he is passionate about the game and likes to provide info when he can
tulip ember
Gotta data mine the source
unkempt gale
just wants to eat his lunch andsurf the web, when suddenly his phone screen shatters from notifications
brittle ferry
Yeah guys, chill on @ Steven, we can try to answer questions as best we can
hollow ruin
not@idle siren can i send you a PM with a wall of text with all my thoughts on the game 😘 and what i want to see implemented.(with reasoning too)
steady ocean
@nimble tartan Sometime in August my friend, be patient
crystal beacon
Hi Steven, I hope you are doing well today! Have you eaten? Staying healthy? ❤️
desert ivy
They're not going to just add new features into the game as they want to avoid scope creep. If you want to suggest changes to existing features then the forum would be the best place for it,.
brittle ferry
@lean prawn Steven has stated that you'll know the difference between gear, so take that as you may
hollow ruin
@desert ivy well i was concerned and also wondering
how they will test healthy guild size/server population
and when
desert ivy
During the alpha and beta tests
idle siren
You can always send me thoughts and essays. I try to read everything I can when I get moments to and on weekends. I’m not always able to respond though just due to the sheer number of messages. I wish I had a time locket like Hermione had in Harry Potter 🧙♂️
desert ivy
That's when they'll be testing all their systems and mechanics
hollow ruin
you don't want too few guilds per server, since you get no competition
unkempt gale
ITS CONFIRMED harry potter crossover
hasty moss
how many pages and words does my essay got to be? MLA format as well?
hollow ruin
will do that, gonna try to make it short and nice
pliant ocean
In-game time locket confirmed 
storm raptor
legendary skill
hollow ruin
@hasty moss 600 pages at least you got to outdo him in effort
steady ocean
Alternatively, you can post suggestions to the official forums to get the community feedback as well @hollow ruin https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/categories/aoc-general-discussion
tulip hatch
Friends, Please take comments/discussion to the appropriate channels.
Lets keep it to Questions and Answers.
Thank you
hasty moss
@hollow ruin this man already got a book bout the royal family in game so like F to outdoing him
mystic rose
Just want to make sure all my I's are doted and t's are crossed. This is no way to get a previous months preorder pack right? because the "Dark Allegiance" pack is fire.. an im probably going to cry if one of you guys says no. so i have my tissue box ready.
steady ocean
@mystic rose Correct
mystic rose
dangit ima go cry now
tulip ember
Im curious about tavern games, what kind of "card games" will be released. I'd be excited to see a card collection system like in FF with beautiful art on them
hollow ruin
@steady ocean i'm gonna check the forums and wiki, to make sure i dont ask/talk about stuff that has already been said 🙂
hasty moss
@mystic rose that is correct, however there is a very slim chance they will do another charity stream where you can get a pack of your choosing for being one of the top donors
lusty haven
Technically he did not say No to your question
steady ocean
@tulip ember I believe this is what we know at the current time https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Parlor_games
tulip ember
ooof thats not much to go on
hollow ruin
still wondering about the price of the individual cosmetics once i purchase a preorder pack, is there some guideline in the forums?
mystic rose
@hasty moss I knew credit cards would get me into trouble one day...
arctic sky
At least it would be for a good cause
brittle ferry
@hollow ruin I believe the difference is anywhere from $5 to $75
tulip hatch
5-25
desert ivy
mystic rose
im going to be swiping plastic as soon as the words "top donor packs are ava.." come out of Stevens mouth.
fair yew
Mounts are usually 20 freeholds and caravans 25 pets 15 etc
brittle ferry
Thank you Alluring
hasty moss
@mystic rose keep in mind that they might not have that available for the next charity stream
thorn reef
Real question. Is the pet cosmetic for things like summoner style pets or just things that follow me around.
meager jacinth
there are
hasty moss
Summoners can change the appearance of their summons.[10]
Through in-game items.[10]
Through cosmetics that will be offered.[10]
Potentially through a summon creation suite, based on the Animal husbandry system.
@hasty moss the main issue is im working when the stream is going on, so i listen to the stream with airpods so i don't get yelled at for not working.
fair yew
Not in the cash shop I mean
solid zealot
Is the alpha at the end of August have a DNA or does it not have a DNA
slow sky
pre-alpha august test is NDA
thorn reef
@hasty moss that makes me super happy to hear.
arctic sky
@mystic rose most charity streams are 24 hour
fair yew
Current testing is under NDA once alpha 1 goes live we should hopefully be out of NDA
mystic rose
Hey @idle siren off chance you see this you mentioned you fought at kraken for 25 hours on aa. what are the chances you played on Ollo an I know you?
@arctic sky Wait have I been missing these charity streams wtf?
desert ivy
He played on Kyrios at the start I'm pretty sure
mystic rose
ima kinda new, got interested around 3-4 weeks ago
arctic sky
@mystic rose they are once a year
mystic rose
oh thats pretty dope a game developer doing charity streams rather then cash grabs.
this is all uncharted territory to me
slow sky
Please keep this channel to Questions and Answers only. If you’re passionate about further discussion feel free to move to the lovely discussion channels #general-discussion or #aoc-discussion Thank you. 
dull bay
hi im new here and have never rly played mmo's because non of them had what you guy's are offering 
so here is my question: will you have a netherlands server that will be accessible in beta test's ?
best regards from iceland 
sweet void
Question about the weather, will it be dynamic or just rotating seasons?
Will rain be random?
arctic sky
@dull bay think current servers are EU, NA, and OCE
Also read up on the wiki https://ashesofcreation.wiki it's very comprehensive
dull bay
@arctic sky thank you for the answer i guess im going to buy a preorder pack now 😄 eu servers are playable for icelanders (latancy wise)
reef osprey
@dull bay frankfurt
rigid rose
@sweet void https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Climate
reef osprey
@dull bay make sure to look at the cosmetics. The current swampish ones will be replaced with fishing ones soon
pulsar finch
I am sure this has been asked before, but if I purchase one of the support packs, do I get all the skins for same level support packs that come out after that monthly? Or do I have to keep buying the new packs that come out every month to get everything?
fading latch
@pulsar finch buy one only
thorn reef
Mount questions. 1)Please tell me that otter mount I saw in the game footage wasn’t early buy in only? 2) will there be aquatic only mounts?
rigid rose
@sweet void Weather conditions change with the Seasons. – Jeffrey Bard
There will be dynamic weather that varies in intensity.
For example: Drizzle to/from storm, or Blizzard to/from snow.
arctic sky
Aquatic mounts confirmed
pulsar finch
@fading latch so it does absolutely give me all skins and stuff from following packs?
dull bay
thanks for info @reef osprey
thorn reef
Dope. I’m excited to fly underwater 😉
fading latch
@pulsar finch if u have the 375 pack yes
rigid rose
@thorn reef that specific mount will not be back but you might be able to tame a otter in the game and use as mount through animal husbandry system .. https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Animal_husbandry
fading latch
U can buy them seperately
hollow ruin
waitwait
fading latch
$5-$25
hollow ruin
who said the 375 pack does give stuff from future packs?
pulsar finch
so if i want all the skins every month, then i would have to spend 375 every month?
fading latch
... no
onyx knoll
no
pulsar finch
i am confusion
arctic sky
They cost between $5 and $25 per cosmetic individually after you bought a pack
thorn reef
@rigid rose if I can’t ride an otter mount in game...I’m afraid I’d have to uninstall the game.
hollow ruin
you buy one pack then you can buy the later stuff individually
onyx knoll
You would need to spend 375$ the first month, then you spend w-e you want to buy the rest as per the prices here:
fading latch
Yes
@hollow ruin
If u buy a lower tier. U get less access to future cosmetics to buy individually
pulsar finch
where can i find the individual stuff? is that only once i buy the pack?
fading latch
Yes
onyx knoll
If you do that, then damn I wish I was rich like you 😛
hollow ruin
i am pretty much convinced that freehold cosmetics are the best
rough grove
Are you able to play AOC rn if you pay for the lowest tier?
onyx knoll
no
hollow ruin
since you can only ever have one mount active at the same time but you should be able to drop multiple freehold cosmetics into a single freehold
arctic sky
Just remember the freehold cosmetics have to line up with that type of freehold building
onyx knoll
if you pay for the lowest tier you get access to the beta which will be in a while. We haven't started alpha 1 yet @rough grove
hollow ruin
@arctic sky info on how that works
arctic sky
Alpha 1 access is no longer available to buy
onyx knoll
@hollow ruin If it's a forge freehold cosmetic then it only applies to a forge building etc
final oxide
will there be private servers?
arctic sky
@hollow ruin I'm terrible at explaining but I'll try..there are different types of buildings you can place on your freehold. You can't use a shrine cosmetic on a forge building
onyx knoll
@hollow ruin so the current one is a fishery which can only be applied to a fishing hut building
arctic sky
@final oxide no
onyx knoll
@final oxide not official ones
hollow ruin
is there a limit on how much stuff you can have in freeholds
like x amount of buildings and you get what you need based on where you are at or are the buildings node specific
onyx knoll
@hollow ruin yes you will be limited in space
hollow ruin
if i absolutely hate fishing as a profession i might not want the skin
will freeholds be visible on the minimap? and can random players benefit from my freehold when they pass by?
arctic sky
Yes on map dunno about minimap
onyx knoll
this can give you an idea of the size:
arctic sky
And yes if it's open to other players
tulip ember
Will Alpha2 access be removed from these packs any time in the near future
onyx knoll
idk if they will be visible on the mini map but other players can come in and use your facilities if you want
@tulip ember not in the near future
thorn reef
I almost feel rude for asking...but I have to. So if I go crazy and pay the 375 (hypothetically)...and the game...heaven forbid...doesn't come out...do we get refunds on that? I would presume so...but I didn't see a clause in the shop stating such (just a short return window).
hollow ruin
@thorn reef well in my country selling stuff requires you to actually(hand the thing over)
so you could sue them if they don't give you the things
fading hollow
the game would have to not release alpha 1,2, and both betas for him
which would be atleast late 2021
which would be 1 year after the purchase.
hollow ruin
depending on what type of company intrepid is they might have limited liability to pay you back
thorn reef
I'm fine waiting...each monthly update of swag is more bang for the buck
fading hollow
also
thorn reef
I think of it as interest on my purchase
fading hollow
once alpha 1 goes up, the servers are staying up as long as they can except for maintenance
tulip ember
There wont be a need to have this discussion for a long time if ever, its looking good so far
strong arch
in the unlikely event that it ends up not getting delivered they would probably be able to cover themselves legally by releasing really disappointing "betas" that aren't really what was expected
desert ivy
No, alpha 1 will be periodic testing, not persistent
Alpha 1 servers won't be up all teh tiem
Alpha 2 servers will be
desert ivy
Alpha 1: Periodic
Alpha 2: Persistent
Betas: Periodic
Alpha 2 will run all the way till launch even while betas are running
tulip ember
#bringonalpha2
fading hollow
yea i cant wait for alpha 2
onyx knoll
alpha 2 = PTR basically. It'll never close
fading hollow
hopefully they do alpha 1 and then 2 months later they're like . yo Alpha 2 coming out bb
onyx knoll
lol we wish
steel flicker
I was watching one of the old development updates, (the one with all the freehold stuff) and there was a portrait on the wall of Steven himself. He then said that they had decided to allow custom images on artwork in the housing sector.
Will the same rule be applied to flags or tabards so that guilds can make a more personal and customized guild crest?
desert ivy
I think they're still on the fence about allowing custom imaging. They're gonna try it out and see how it goes
onyx knoll
I believe they decided to allow custum images for guilds, yes
As Talents said tho I'm not sure if it'll stick haha
desert ivy
Apparently they'll have a staff member who monitors the user content and if you upload anything inappropriate then you'll probs get banned
hollow ruin
im readign the ToS right now found some nice stuff
You may not provide or develop matchmaking services for the Platform or Game
basically:you may not run websites that promote guilds
stuck girder
That sounds weird
hollow ruin
it does
slow sky
matchmaking is like a dungeon finder my dude
hollow ruin
pretty sure that is not mentioned at all there
snow schooner
The ToS doesn't say specifically you make not promote guilds
stuck girder
Hmm
hollow ruin
word appears once in the ToS
well if i had a website
where you could write i like pvp in a search bar and it throws you some guild names as a result
i could interpret that as matchmaking
snow schooner
It depends
slow sky
that is not matchmaking
hollow ruin
they never define matchmaking
snow schooner
Does the website hook in to the game?
slow sky
matchmaking literally pairs you up with other people for online content
plucky pawn
Matchmaking services in this sense would refer to something along the lines of setting up an arena/ladder service, where you were setting up competitions and the like external to the platform. Not about running a guild website 
hollow ruin
pairs you up with a guild
strong arch
would it apply to a trading website that helps you set up trades cross-world outside the game?
plucky pawn
That might be called out elsewhere, depending on what the trades include!
hollow ruin
or simply saying i want to do X dungeon today on some forum that isnt intrepids or ingame
strong arch
i'm talking strictly on an in-game basis
plucky pawn
We also likely recommend in there that you don't participate in any trading outside of the usual platforms, for your own account safety.
strong arch
like Zybez used to be for Runescape before the grand exchange took over
slow sky
if its something like PoE where it's all in game trades i could see that being fine, any RMT is againt ToS
snow schooner
If the trade included in-game items for real world currency, you would be stepping on something in the ToS
hollow ruin
@strong arch i think it would apply there
they dont want you to outsource your efforts to 3rd party sites and services and then you'd find groups and stuff faster
as far as i understood their intentions
strong arch
that's how I understood it as well but clarifications are always good
and it is sort of a grey area
slow sky
Please keep this channel to Questions and Answers only. If you’re passionate about further discussion feel free to move to the lovely discussion channels #general-discussion or #aoc-discussion Thank you.
twin basin
are caravans locked to set routes or does the player have full control of its path?
slow sky
set route
onyx knoll
depends the caravan
tulip hatch
You can go off-road with a personal caravan
glossy siren
ok so the mounts, teir 2 can swim and glide right
tulip hatch
aquatic mounts are their own tier from what we've been told
glossy siren
that is new news to me
onyx knoll
T2 can glide, the swimming ones are considered T1 i believe, or they might be their own thing like Alluring says
I think for the sake of skins they're in their own category
glossy siren
well will glide be able to climb up on walls
tulip hatch
glossy siren
so they can glide farther or are they only going to be able to jump high
onyx knoll
We haven't heard anything about spider-climbing mounts
Welp, here we have it from the name of the chief himself
ty Alluring
If you jump down a cliff they can glide instead of plummet
tulip hatch
I do my best never to say speculation only quoted answers or nothing!
onyx knoll
@glossy siren this is as much as we know on how the gliding mounts will work i think;
glossy siren
k
uncut merlin
hey, i would like to ask if it's not a bother but will the game have a score/music type of like lord of the rings type of a vibe feeling?
low path
Whats the difference between personal caravans and other caravans...?
onyx knoll
@uncut merlin The soundtrack will be released during Beta, the composer is Bear McCreary
who did the music for God of War
uncut merlin
@onyx knoll oh ok lol thank you wow
tulip hatch
@low path Mayoral/quest caravans are launched by the mayor of a node to establish trade routes with another node. They have multiple routes but are driven by the system
Personal ones are launched by the individual players and the player decides the route
low path
Thankyou, am looking at the page Xenellia posted
azure tinsel
Do those preorder packages only give you access to beta servers in the future?
tulip hatch
Each package tells you what test they provide access to, just click view more info below the add to cart button
onyx knoll
the low tier ones yes, the 250 and 375$ ones give you access to Alpha 2
azure tinsel
Yea. Does alpha 2 have a launch date?
pliant ocean
Not yet. But it is a persistent server that will go until full launch. So Alpha 2 is where you want to be.
I would say Alpha 2 is within 3 to 6 months from the start of Alpha 1. But that is just a guess.
azure tinsel
Yea. I understand why
Would it be safe to wait to drop the cash for it when the next step is clearer or should I just save my spot asap?
pliant ocean
They said they will announce when they will stop taking preorders for Alpha 2.
errant chasm
i just bought the current pack cause u can grab everything out of 2 packs u want if u buy the $375 @azure tinsel rather be safe
vernal swallow
Can rogues climb trees?
late vale
Im not and I can so I guess
eternal glade
What will the caravan skin be depending on? Race, place of origin, materials?
late vale
mmm
thick pendant
Hey, does anyone know when well be able to buy packs from My.Games? they seem to be unavailable to eu players
eternal glade
My.games is an eu only thing, we dont have that in NA
whole hare
Is anyone aware of how the new cosmetics/game packs are going to work?
Do people that already have a copy of whatever variant get the new cosmetics as well?
Or just people that buy them after the change over?
azure tinsel
Thanks everyone for the answers
whole hare
Trying to determine whether I should wait till the 5th or not to pick up my voyager pa k
thick pendant
@eternal glade yeah i know, but im not sure whether eu players can buy packs/upgrades from intrepid and use them when we use my.games accounts
pulsar finch
anyone have any updates on support emails being responded to? I have had a ticket open for quite a bit now. I know they are probably pretty loaded atm
fading latch
If its urgent you can always ping toast to get it prioritised
She will try her best to get answered quickly.
Ofc thats dependant on traffic
onyx knoll
@thick pendant Fairly sure they said you'd be able to transfer anything you buy on the NA shop to your EU account
@whole hare If you buy the current pack, you get the cosmetics from it. Then, once a new pack comes out you can chose to buy the new cosmetic for reduced prices, of the tier you purchased. See bellow:
So if you purchased the 150$ version, then the following month you could buy the pet and/or accessory for 15/5$
forest pike
What if i want to go back from EU to NA?
trim moon
@forest pike A good opportunity for a fresh start 🙂
onyx knoll
You mean like, you transferred everything to EU, then decide "actually nah" and switch BACK to NA?
forest pike
ye
low whale
Is there a way to spend the embers you get with the pre-order pack right now?
covert brook
They wont add a Ghillie suite to the cash shop i hope. Like the one in BDO that hides your name plate?
onyx knoll
If you haven't used any of the cosmetic in game yet when you do it then you could probably get it done by talking to support. But once you accepted it in game then it's stuck there I think
@covert brook no
low whale
@covert brook theres no p2w
onyx knoll
@low whale not currently, embers are for when the game (or at least the real cash shop) will go live
forest pike
@onyx knoll ahh ok makes sense
covert brook
Yes I've heard that many times only time will tell.
forest pike
ty
trim moon
@covert brook Very unlikely, as they don't want cosmetics to affect the info you'll receive in game
low whale
@onyx knoll ok ty 🙂
thick pendant
@onyx knoll please dont tell me i missed the Altar of the Venerated 😦
onyx knoll
@thick pendant I'm afraid so, any cosmetic from previous pack is no longer available
thick pendant
rip, thanks for the info anyway ❤️
onyx knoll
anytime 🙂
low whale
man i want to wait until alpha 1 to come out to pre-order but i dont want to miss out on these cool cosmetics
forest pike
why wait then?
iron python
Alpha 1 won't be sold again. If it does become available, u can upgrade from alpha 2
onyx knoll
(That's not what they were saying lol)
covert brook
Is the Mount system anything like BDO seems similar just less in depth.
onyx knoll
We don't have a ton of details on the breeding but you can read up on it here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Animal_husbandry
imo it feels more complex then BDO's
covert brook
lol that text is way to small
onyx knoll
click it to zoom? or are you on phone and it doesn't work?
well anyway it's a quote down in the page I linked:
Each of these animals have a unique ID. There's going to be essentially this husbandry chart that takes into account potential combinations between animals that you have. So there's gonna be a little bit of obviously trial and error as players begin to explore this genetic system to determine what yields are possible; and those yields are obviously going to have an element of RNG to them as well. So you know you may pick up on a more dominant genetic trait within the pairing, or you may have a much smaller chance to unlock a specific breed of species; and then those chances obviously get augmented by your advancement within the Animal Husbandry profession. So a person who's more experienced in pairing of certain animals, and even the specific types of pairings, will increase their likelihood- their RNG chances of essentially birthing a unique mount; and being able then to sell those on an open auction. They can also be applied as certificates toward the construction of particular caravans as well.
covert brook
i did click it i don't use full screen discord though.
same thing then as bdo its just color and stats that change with bdo horse's
low lantern
The mounts will have stats like run speed
onyx knoll
you'll have the added element of being able to breed many different animal species together
covert brook
yea that was the more interesting idea i saw
onyx knoll
Correct, at the moment the stats you can breed for are : HP, Stamina, Armor, Speed
trim moon
Has there been any comment regarding the possibility of chariots being in the game? Like, having one or more mounts pulling the chariot
covert brook
i hope you can make gear for them and skills you have to lvl up. Then do a face plant if you fail. Thats some of the funniest things you can randomly see when traveling around. lol
foggy python
Is there any information about guild cloaks/bardings? Will they be obtainable in game (or cash shop I guess) or only through preorder?
onyx knoll
@foggy python I believe the cloak specifically are for kickstarters only. I don't know if they plan on adding a non-kickstarter version. There will be banners and other things you can apply your guild logo to.
@trim moon Not that I know of. The caravans we've seen to far only use 1 mount per caravan, and I don't think I heard anything about a method of transport that isn't for goods that includes a vehicule
Oh actually I think there was a concept for a 2 mount caravan...
foggy python
Okay, thanks
onyx knoll
forest pike
Yea there's some concepts with 2 mounts
onyx knoll
that one, I think they ended up making it a 1 mount model in the end tho
ah no nvm
here's the final render
forest pike
Wonder how would that work
trim moon
But no info for non-caravan vehicles, right?
forest pike
You want cars?
onyx knoll
Well, it's a skin so technically it could still just be using 1 mount for the stat, but look like it has 2
copper mulch
Is barding going to be available for mount cosmetics?
copper mulch
Ooooooooh sweeet
trim moon
@forest pike 
?
onyx knoll
@trim moon nothing that I'm aware of. Maybe eventually they'll add a skin or an item that acts like a chariot but I haven't seen any so far
They ARE planning to have group mounts, so maybe that could be one
trim moon
They ARE planning to have group mounts, so maybe that could be one
@onyx knoll Leaving my job to become an Uber in AoC
copper mulch
My apologies i meant can you bard the mounts you get from the preorder packages?
low path
@onyx knoll @forest pike That caravan is a mission related caravan, it isnt driven by the player and follows a set path, although the player gets to decide between a few routes to prevent zergs. The personal caravan is one person and is actually controlled by the player
onyx knoll
haha
@copper mulch Good question, I don't think they said anything abut that, you can try asking in the next Q&A
low path
@copper mulch you dont get the actual mount with the preorder, its just a skin
forest pike
@onyx knoll @forest pike That caravan is a mission related caravan, it isnt driven by the player and follows a set path, although the player gets to decide between a few routes to prevent zergs. The personal caravan is one person and is actually controlled by the player
@low path Which caravan do you refer to?
onyx knoll
@low path That caravan was a cosmetic skin for caravans from the jul-aug 2018 pre-order packs
I assume he means the one with the 2 rams
low path
Ya
onyx knoll
Nowhere does it say that it isn't usable by players and considering it's a pre-order bonus i'd be shocked if it wasn't usable by player-driven caravans but who knows
low path
I assume its a cosmetic for the missio related ones then
onyx knoll
Ah wait they DID make it a 1 mount one, I know I saw that somewhere
low path
I think personal caravans have to be pullled by the players mount, dont know how it would work with 2
onyx knoll
trim moon
Q: Regarding water content, the supposed "sea dungeons and rainds" are gonna be accessible underwater or by finding islands at sea that contain the entrances to those dungeons?
onyx knoll
@trim moon we don't have a ton of info on the underwater content
low path
The personal caravans skin is normally the style of the race of the player right? Unless of course you have another skin enabled
Or is it the style of the city it comes from?
forest pike
I assume you just get a mount which varies in tier but you can apply any skin you want to it from the same tier, right?
onyx knoll
@low path Not sure, I know races all have 1 racial mount, so maybe they'll also have a default racial caravan to go with it
@forest pike correct
low path
You have to have a compatible mount to use the caravans, as far as what we have says
It doesnt just give you one to use
onyx knoll
@low path
By default player caravans will have a racial appearance that influences the types of animals that are moving the caravan.[13]
so looks like your answer is yes, the default one will be based on race
low path
Oh, didnt know there was a defualt one given when the caravan spawned in
In the 4k footage Steven had to attach his own mount
onyx knoll
I believe they said that when they were doing that footage the skins weren't working for the caravans. I assume that would be how it works without skins, you use your mount with w-e skin it has and attach it to the default caravan
low path
So you have the option to either use your personal mount or the default one?
dense ridge
I'm just hella curious about the combat. Like I've heard that it will be a hybrid of around 75% tab targeted and 75% combat. We've seen mostly tab targeted abilities through the recent gameplay videos, but how many of the action abilities are still around from the Apocalypse? How many have been scrapped? Universal blocking and dodge rolling sounds like a no go (more class specific movement abilities), but like:
Is this still a thing? Im so hungry for combat details. I came from ESO (previously WoW) and combat intrigues me.
desert ivy
No
dense ridge
desert ivy
I'm pretty sure that even got removed from apoc
dense ridge
Yeh, we have some concepts of some action abilities like the spellcaster laser
covert brook
looked to me like they were giving each a mix of skills at least it looks that way from the last update
arctic sky
You can choose up to 75% action or tab
covert brook
and since skill points are finite you have to make those choice's just wonder if they can be reset or not
stable dove
They should be
dense ridge
I don't see why not. I assume it'll just cost ya like changing your secondary class
covert brook
i would hope so but they have only mentioned the augments being reset so far as i've seen
dense ridge
I assume the Idea would be to not roam the world with a full toolbelt to your disposal. Not being able to teleport around wherever you want would help with that concept.
whole hare
@onyx knoll Thank you!
dense ridge
Have we heard much about tier 2 mounts, as far as how hard it is to get them? We've heard a lot about tier 1 and 3. 🤔
the footage I posted looks very much tier 2. But it was also Apoc
winter field
For the name reservation do you get to secure it right now?
serene peak
Any idea on ticket times right now? I know they're pretty backed up.
candid lava
are base stats influenced by the race you choose? for example one of the orc race is more of a warrior type so they have higher base strength than the other races
winter field
races will have base stats correct
candid lava
Will all the race have the same base stats?
winter field
no
serene peak
winter field
each race will have difference base stats that can help with certain class types, this does not mean an orc cannot be a mage but will maybe have 1 or 2 less INT or whatever its called in this game
serene peak
July, 2017.
cunning sigil
Anyone know how to bypass two step? Its saying the code isnt right and I cant get into my acc
dense ridge
I can see it changing to stray away from racial meta, sorta like how ESO is set up. But I can also see it staying.
covert brook
sounds to me like they may add Tattoos later that will augment your stats like in Lineage 2
winter field
do you mean dyes @covert brook
covert brook
yes
forest pike
@cunning sigil you should submit a ticket to support, i had this issue as well and they just reset it for me
cunning sigil
Thanks, doing that now.
dusky pasture
steven mentioned about getting certificates after killing a mob. On what form it would be? I first thought of a paper, but it could also be monster parts, any clear answers from the testers?
ivory latch
nda is still active so you wont get an answer
desert ivy
I mean the PI members can talk about their experience from the end of may/start of June tests. If the certificates were in then they could answer
stable plover
@dusky pasture Certificates are monster parts, like dragon scales, vulture talons, purified water from water elementals, etc. - Certificates are just the fancy dev term they used to categorize those things
forest pike
so basically creature products
thorny harness
are caravans of million+ currency going to be a thing? are they capped at a certain amount of cargo?
ruby swift
They were calling them "pelts" as a generic term. Looting of "pelts" was turned off for last tests. We only looted "essences" which were used to launch caravans for testing.
thorny harness
hmmm, thank you appreciate those answers. are caravan appearances changed based on how much, uhhh, lets say "cool shit" is in it
ruby swift
@winter field Name reservation will be later. It goes from highest to lowest based on tier and KS>Summer>Intrepid pack.
winter field
for sure thanks
weak mantle
only the name reservation is available in the 375$ pack?
weak mantle
dam, imagine buying the pack only to not get the name you want at the last minute
winter field
thats why you gotta have backups xD
fair yew
Just remember that name reservation is once on one server not all servers
crystal beacon
How many kiritos will we see?
winter field
so many
winter field
Klrlto
oblique scarab
Personally I intend to resver a name which I probabaly will get banned if I put into the aoc chat.
untold maple
Just think, if you kill kirito in-game he dies irl too
potent thunderBOT
wary acorn
Q: Given that some skills/abilities are hotkey based and not action combat, will there an alternative variant of said skill/ability that is one or the other? Like if I prefer the combat style of DBO/Tera/GW2, can I fully have that as an option instead of the skill/ability having to be one or the other and having it all mixed?
young wind
Q: How will Alpha 1 work? Am I going to get an email or is it going to be an announcement with like a download available on the AoC webpage?
earnest knoll
@wary acorn you will only be able to go upto 75% action combat or tab target, not 100% either way, not sure about skills having both types available
raw gyro
How much do we know bout the limits on naming? I think i recall that we get a first and last name, was is the maximum/minimum letters per name?
earnest knoll
Minimum is 3 not sure about the rest sorry
desert ivy
3 letters min
crystal beacon
What would be the difference between action combat and hotkey in this game
Wouldnt action combat have an advantage if it is faster paced
earnest knoll
@crystal beacon theres advantages both ways, you can miss action combat skills whereas tab target should always hit, it would also depend on class so until we see all the skills its hard to say
oak knot
Dumb question, the packs that they are selling right now with cosmetics, are those basically a one time only thing and when time passes only people who pre ordered could have them?
spice plinth
Could we have discord tags for the regions you're planning on playing on? I wanna see my OCE squad in the chat
earnest knoll
@oak knot yup, there may be varients but steven has stated he wants your exclusives to stay that way
earnest knoll
Doubtfull
oak knot
Darn I would love an earlier one, but ill stick with my swampy boys i just bought
dense ridge
Wouldn't action be better if tab targeting depends on %hit chance stats and dodge ratings etc. While action is more dependent on your own personal accuracy? (unless the action abilities can be "missed" and dodged through stats respectively)
earnest knoll
You can get the new ones coming out for extra $$ if you own a pack @oak knot
oak knot
how much extra tho
I'm not made of money, this game as already made me poor and it wont be out for years lol
earnest knoll
@dense ridge we dont know enough about the combat yet to come to any conclusuons there
5 - 25 usd depending on the cosmetic i believe
dense ridge
Just making hard assumptions here.
oak knot
Wouldn't action be better if tab targeting depends on %hit chance stats and dodge ratings etc. While action is more dependent on your own personal accuracy? (unless the action abilities can be "missed" and dodged through stats respectively)
@dense ridge It's possible action abilities can still be missed. I share your concern a bout balancing it. I would like it if certain abilities were just locked to "must tab target" or "must aim"
pliant ocean
@earnest knoll You can buy the cosmetics that are of the same level of package you bought or lower. So if you bought the $250 pack, for example, you wouldn't be able to buy character cosmetics, but could buy mount cosmetics.
earnest knoll
Yup
To put the combat worries at a bit of ease, the team have acknowledged how important that system is so they will make it as fair as possible
hollow ruin
like why are you guys so obsessed, the only time you might fire an arrow with action targeting is while on a castle wall. action targeting is aoe abilities or beams etc where you have some AOE or line for targeting and everything else is tab target..
grizzled oasis
Nothing like smacking a mob with a sword and getting a Miss
hollow ruin
you cant alternate between first person perspective to aim arrows and third to aim aoe stuff all the time
dense ridge
I think of ESO. Mouse locked and aoe being placed at whatever you're looking at in the center of the screen.
hollow ruin
you might have arrow basic shots be action combat but then they would be like a beam ability, i dont see how you could ever aim it while in third person, it's not gonna happen
i'm 100% convinced the game will let you use every single ability in the game without having to scroll your camera down to some pseudo first person perspective.
earnest knoll
Probably a good idea to move this to #aoc-discussion guys :) moved past the questions at this point
torpid tangle
@idle siren would you consider putting a title in the game "Master Dominator" Where you have to get a total of 250,000 open world kills to obtain?
or something along those lines?
hollow ruin
silly question, when we buy goods from intrepid, we don't actually buy anything as intrepid owns everything we pay for and all rights to that etc. you know the drill.
low lantern
@oak knot that is how it is, certain abilities are locked to tab and the others are locked to aim
hollow ruin
but why would you have to pay taxes for something you dont own.
and doesnt have value as you cannot resell it
low lantern
That’s a local govt issue nothing to do with intrepid
earnest knoll
^ im not sure theres much to be done about that one
fair yew
Please take discussions to #aoc-discussion or #general-discussion
late vale
Death and taxes
fleet meteor
how many dev's working at intrepid now?
hollow ruin
question: why would anyone multibox in AoC?
fair yew
For the same reasons someone would multibox in other mmorpg
pliant ocean
Why grind out 1 character, when you can Grind out several. People will always find a way to get ahead in a game. And if you can progress multiple characters at the same time, you have access to more.
naive sigil
Over 100 Devs seems like a big time mmo for sure
hollow ruin
@pliant ocean that would require 4 hands, no?
late vale
Hte reason to multi box it's to do some exploit and get easier farm exp/gold per hour
pliant ocean
With multiboxing, it is quite viable to run 3-4 crafters/gathers at the same time.
hollow ruin
so basically when i have something ingame that takes 30 seconds of afk to make me profit i can do the same thing on 2 accounts for more efficiency
late vale
Most multi boxers don't play the game they run a business
Lol
I remember the lotus Nerf on classic put farmers on suicide watch
It was a huge deal
hollow ruin
why would you have systems that require afking? i want to play the game at all times so if the game ever requires my character to not do anything it's just bad game design and can be fixed
late vale
Node spawns obey algorithms
They just Crack the code and afk on the spwans
There is no fix to that
hollow ruin
@late vale smack them and loot their gatherables for profit?
late vale
It was an example
Trust Me the cunning of people can be boundless
They most likely figure something out
The question it's to ban or not to ban
After all they pay subs as anyone else
hollow ruin
so it's oaky to give players ingame advantages because they pay the 15$ sub fee multiple times. that's what everyone is concerned about
late vale
BTW how do u kill a multi boxer if he is multiple chars that all cast x spell at once and kill u in a sec
flint terrace
Babbletron was not the guy from blade and soul? Pog
late vale
I'm not saying it's Okey
hollow ruin
@late vale then they get banned for scripting
late vale
Or that is not I usually stay at bay
And amuse my self on the struggle of others
Lol
It's like going to the theater at times
Depends on the policies in wow they don't get banned coz they give big money to daddy blizzard
Here everyone hopes it won't be that case
Let's move to general discussions
This is not the channel for this
My apologies
limber canopy
anyone know if you buy the frost elemental skins then later can upgrade to leader of men package will it still be the same price or will it take away the value of the elemental racial skins since they are part of that package?
dark jungle
@random crater info is here https://ashesofcreation.com/news/2020-08-03-boons-of-the-waveborn
if you click on the dates in that article, you might be able to set an alert
earnest hatch
can you buy the cosmetics with ember ore only with money ?
pliant ocean
Embers will probably only be available on Full Release
dark jungle
^ and embers are an in-game currency
earnest hatch
@pliant ocean okay thanks @dark jungle thats what an ingame currency is for ore did you thougt thats like ingame gold that would be p2w and as far as i know that wont be in ashes
fair yew
That is exactly what embers are for
Embers will be bought with real money and used in game for cosmetics. There won’t be any gold buying
dark jungle
^
full pulsar
375 packs get the new cosmetics right?
steady ocean
Not until after the 5th
steady ocean
If you buy before the 5th and the theme change, you get the current cosmetics only
merry acorn
Every month they change
full pulsar
Ok so if we had already bought the 375 pack we have to buy the new one on the 5th?
Or is it already included?
merry acorn
Its not included
U won't be needing to buy access to the alpha and betas
agai
again*
steady ocean
It's not included. But you now only need to pay for the cosmetics. Which vary in price from $5-$25 if you like some of them
merry acorn
but you will need to buy all cosmetics.
full pulsar
Can I just buy the new cosmetics with amber points or does it have to be with $?
merry acorn
The embers are In game credits
steady ocean
$
pliant ocean
Embers are in-game currency to purchase cosmetics.
full pulsar
Embers*
steady ocean
You won't be able to use embers until the game is released
full pulsar
Word. Thanks everyone.
haughty rune
I was a Pioneer kickstarter backer, then recently upgraded to Braver of Worlds. In addition to Alpha 1 / Alpha 2 access, it looks like I received additional Beta 1 / Beta 2 access. Is this intended? Does the additional copy of each beta correspond to a key I can offer to someone else to use?
steady ocean
I don't think so, as I think only leader of men and above have additional keys. You can put in a customer support ticket and ask though
thorn reef
Wait. Can I just buy embers and cherry pick my cosmetics as they drop?
digital yacht
Embers are only usable in GAME
steady ocean
And only after launch
thorn reef
Oh...phooey.
Why are they selling them now? Are they an enhanced value if I pick up some now?
steady ocean
They may be cheaper if you buy them in the pre-order packs compared to just buying the embers themselves. You can compare the packs to the solo ember purchases now in the store
Remember, pre-order packs won't always be around. After launch it may change into something else, or simply be an in-game shop that you spend embers to get the cosmetics. So most things are on sale with how much these packs are offering.
thorn reef
Not to seem cheap. I was just hoping to toss in 20 bucks and pick one thing. Doing a faith pledge for 375 should give y’all a divine node advancement day 1.
little lance
i too would toss 20 for that snail and nothing else xP
steady ocean
Once you unlock the tiers you are able to 🙂
little lance
i wanna spend more but I dont have it :(((
pliant ocean
There will likely be earnable variants to the skins in the pre-order packs in-game. They just wont be exactly like the pre-order ones. Probably a shift in color pallets. and slight changes, so you can tell the difference between them.
thorn reef
Word @little lance. I can do 20 here and there just to sniper the things I truly love and feel like I’m supporting the game. Dropping 375 hurts my frugal stomach.
crystal beacon
the tier of pre-order is not pay to win, just a way to get access to betas and alpha as well as extra cosmetics, I'm sure when the game actually launches there will be cosmetics sold separately.
little lance
yeah :( I mean the 375 seems worth, just cant afford it unfortunately @thorn reef
split zenith
If i buy the bog pack that is for sale now, another pack comes later that I like more, do I have to buy that separately or can I upgrade the package I already got to a newer one?
pliant ocean
You can pick and choose the cosmetics you want individually afterwards.
crystal beacon
he did say that you can upgrade so I imagine if its a bit more then yes
thorn reef
I am just weird and don’t want to do alpha/beta. I want to start one day 1 with no real knowledge other than what I’ve read. I want no early access spoilers.
proven root
thats not weird
crystal beacon
then paying the 20$ for a member ship is fo royu
thorn reef
There is a purity in it
proven root
I want to do that too
crystal beacon
different types of people, people that want the brand new experience and people that want a competitive edge on the game over others, I do not know how much of an edge they will get but there are those types of people.
proven root
any general knowledge is a good edge in mmos
crystal beacon
agreed and they will have that basic knowledge
proven root
yep
crystal beacon
but lets be honest when the game is in beta we are not going to be able to contain ourselves and indulge in the 75$ version lmao
proven root
yeah we'll see. also no NDA means there will probably be alot of streams so people will be able to just watch and learn how the game works too
proven root
now that is something im sad that i know i wont be able to stop myself from doing 😅 thats if i dont buy a pack for myself
crystal beacon
trueeee lol
heavy sage
@crystal beacon do you know when beta will start? Approximately
sweet blade
no idea
crystal flax
Remember guys this is the questions channel, discussions should head to the appropriate places
crystal beacon
steven said alpha with def be by the end of the year
the definitive dates yet
no*
steady ocean
@heavy sage Beta most likely won't be for 1-2 years. There is no set date yet however and won't be for some time.
proven root
no dates for alpha 1 so yeah i wouldnt expect beta til late next year at the earliest
wicked gorge
Has there been any mention on how long it will take to get max level?
torpid tangle
ez mode
pliant ocean
indeed
torpid tangle
2 weeks max level 
thorn reef
270 hours of my life per character? Don’t sleep for 10 days straight and you’re almost there.
wicked gorge
Okay so I need to get signed off work for about a month haha
dusky pasture
as the quote says "It's not the destination but the detours"
wicked gorge
Yeah but if you want to keep up with the castle sieges you need to be ahead of the game lol
They going with loss of exp on death like lineage 2?
autumn notch
Will there be accessibility options for people with disabilities?
chilly hedge
@wicked gorge Yep, when you die, you get an XP penalty. You don't de-level, but you become weaker, the greater the penalty
wicked gorge
And if your resurrected by a priest you get some exp back?
heavy sage
1 or 2 years?? Yikes. I will have bought alpha package by then;p.
wicked gorge
Cleric sorry
steady ocean
@autumn notch It's possible, I'd make sure you ask on the official forums as it may be easier for the devs to get eyes on: https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/
split zenith
When i go to pay for the 250$ package both PayPal and debit checkout makes the price increase 72$ wanting me to pay 322$ for the 250$ package, why?
wicked gorge
Tax
steady ocean
@split zenith VAT tax for EU folks
split zenith
10/10
steady ocean
@wicked gorge You can read more about the player death mechanics we know about here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_death
@split zenith Yeah, unfortunately out of Intrepid's control.
heavy sage
When does alpha 2 fase start approximately? For the 250 package
autumn notch
Ty @steady ocean
chilly hedge
@heavy sage Sometime next year
steady ocean
We don't know for sure, only that until the devs are happy with how the Alpha 1 testing goes. Community speculation has it mid year next year
heavy sage
Ive gotten hyped to early;p
knotty dew
Fuuuuck I was gonna buy some shit but if the tax is like that... yeah nah
merry acorn
@heavy sage people have been hyped for 2 years...
and cus of that they will be able to play alpha 1!
also get some Special cosmetics
cloud nymph
Haha i almost bought the $250 pack yesterday but its $72 tax for me aswell, rip alpha 2 :(
normal valve
soo EU people cant buy the Alfa on the price it says cuz of the tax? that sucks man i wanted it but if i have to play 72$ more i think i will pass...
cloud nymph
Atleast i have to pay $72 in tax, atm thats to high for me
normal valve
same i have to work more to win more money XD
some friends pasedme a link of a EU AoC shop but its broken and u cant buy from there
merry acorn
@normal valve there isnt one its just generic all around
and then converts thats weird haven't heard any1 else having those problems
normal valve
@merry acorn i had my doubts on it just the web cuz the skins they sell were outdated AF
toxic current
Will macros be allowed?
brisk granite
What happens if you already preorder but then you want the frog pet and the snail mount in the new preorder coming up? I’m I out of luck?
merry acorn
U will be able to buy it
And not need to buy alpha n shit again
it will be subsidised
brisk granite
Oh ok good thanks 🙂
sweet void
Will macros be allowed?
@toxic current no macros
What happens if you already preorder but then you want the frog pet and the snail mount in the new preorder coming up? I’m I out of luck?
@brisk granite the cosmetics is specific to that pack. They might release those cosmetics at launch in their cash shop but not that specific variant
still wyvern
What's up?
faint needle
Is enchanting a crafting profession?
sterile shoal
@faint needle no i don’t think so
silk steppe
Does anyone know if we have the oportunity to get some of the old packages cosmetics at launch or will they cycle again ? I want to buy a pack but wanted the elf type package
icy herald
What happens if there a 3 or more groups attacking a world boss and no one group deals 50% of the damage.
wild marsh
@silk steppe They are exclusive. There may be some that look similar, but they won't be the same.
old musk
@silk steppe once they're gone they don't come back
wild marsh
@icy herald I forgot the term, but whoever targets or something the boss first gets an extra percentage essentially, so whoever has the most damage at the end (taking into consideration the first part) I believe gets it. Everyone will still get the exp based on what they did.
old musk
Anyone know about the loot distribution system?
wild marsh
@old musk If you're in a party, it will be based off of the party leader. They can determine the type of distribution system for the group.
real sleet
What happens if there a 3 or more groups attacking a world boss and no one group deals 50% of the damage.
@icy herald
Loot allocation requires 40% of damage done for the first tagger, 60% for the consecutive taggers. I see your point though. I dont think thius has been answered yet
silk steppe
@old musk possible to buy multiple packages ? 
old musk
@silk steppe after you buy a package or upgrade to a higher package you can then buy the additional monthly sets from 5 to 25 usd
random trench
Q: what are the superpowers of militaristic and religious metros?
real sleet
Q: what are the superpowers of militaristic and religious metros?
@random trench unknown yet
silk steppe
@old musk why didnt anyone tell me that before 😓 should have done that
You sure they exclusive yeah ? I will get really annoyed if in the end they are not 😂
old musk
I didn't invite either and I missed out on the fire set with the hell hound and hell horse... Fml
silk steppe
I wanted the elf vibe one and the piggy with the tarven house
Actually sad i missed out
old musk
From everything I've seen they're gone.
silk steppe
Havent been paying much attention
old musk
Me either I'm still new here...
silk steppe
Cause the game still far away i havent been checking in much
Feels bad to miss out on stuff i wanted
old musk
Yup... I'd assume there's going to be tons of options in game though so I wouldn't worry about it much. They're skins not mounts so the actual creatures are obtained in game. Mounts are not purchasable from Steven himself.
silk steppe
What i wanted was the freeholds skins pretty much
heavy sage
So if im correct you get the skins from the moment you bought your package?
old musk
@heavy sage yeah but you still need to earn the gear set, mount, house or whatever the cosmetic is linked to
heavy sage
Roger that
silk steppe
Does anyone know how hard to get a freehold will be ?
old musk
For the current slug skin. That'll be an in game mount that you'll earn then apply that skin too it
A freehold will be under control of a node that's reached tier 3. town state I believe. Search asmongold ashes interview on YouTube for lots of great info as well as Steven's ama.
silk steppe
Already did watch it, wanted more info on how to construct how hard its going to be etc etc
old musk
Not sure on that sorry
sweet void
They said there will be variants of the cosmetics in the shop at launch but not those specific variants
Does anyone know how hard to get a freehold will be ?
@silk steppe freehold will be available for everyone. It will depend on the node u are in. I believe it needs to be lvl 3.
magic geyser
there will be enough space for everyone to have a freehold? That's a lot of land
sweet void
Its not that hard, i believe its the location of ur choosing will be critical. There can be only be so much cliffs and beachfronts in the map
Although u for one would want a mountain peak freehold that has the view of the region
there will be enough space for everyone to have a freehold? That's a lot of land
@magic geyser yes and dont forget there is also the underworld. U can have a freehold there
silk steppe
Hope isnt going to be a land grab archeage 2.0
sweet void
Again its more of a prefered location issue than a land issue
silk steppe
Does anyone have more information on the inns ?
I know you can own a tavern but How well does that go ?
sweet void
Inns are technically city buildings.
silk steppe
It says you can build one on the freehold at the wiki
sweet void
U can make a tavern on ur freehold as Steven said on his interviews
Inns in cities can be bought by players but will be under the government of that node
sly monolith
that frog is that a mount?
sweet void
Its a separate building
crystal flax
The snail horse is the mount, small frog is pet and frog attached to thing is caravan
sweet void
that frog is that a mount?
@sly monolith yes its a swampy thing
sly monolith
lol nice
candid lava
Will I be able to parkour/climb any building/open world or will it be scripted as in only certain buildings can be climbed?
sweet void
No parkours shown on the streams
reef osprey
scripted afaik.
Wasn't the climbing stuff Rogue only anyway?
sweet void
It will be scripted i think
candid lava
well that sucks, thanks for the response
open parkour for rogues primary would have been great
reef osprey
far too much work to implement that
old musk
@silk steppe I don't think it'll be a land grab. Nodes can be torn down and anyone with land will lose it. The owners will get a blueprint to make it anew when they get into a new node or help rebuild the destroyed node to level 3. Makes players fight to keep what's theirs and fight to take land. Interesting concept imo
sweet void
Well its not zelda open world but u can travel vis roads and slopes
reef osprey
@silk steppe also, you can plant your freehold close to anywhere in node's zone of influence.
There will be enough space for all freeholds, but there certainly will be competition for the prime spots.
candid lava
Climbing/parkour ability is not free-form and will likely be restricted to certain quests, locations or objects.[14][15]
``` Found the quote...looks like it will only be allowed for quests and stuff
hollow drift
So i have asked this before but i tought that the Pre-Order Pack's cosmetics changed each month? 
sweet void
Climbing/parkour ability is not free-form and will likely be restricted to certain quests, locations or objects.[14][15] ``` Found the quote...looks like it will only be allowed for quests and stuff
@candid lava scripted
hollow drift
oooh okay
reef osprey
in 2-3 days there will be the new ones
storm veldt
I suppose earliest look at skillsets and any gameplay customatization is about the launch of next alpha right?
zealous forum
Most likely
sweet void
Yes buts not all classes. Just the common ones. But the main goal for alpha1 is to test the foundations of the game
reef osprey
@storm veldt you will only get the basic classes in Alpha 1
Augments will be all Alpha 2
sweet void
So please provide ur constructive feedback so we can have a good mmo. We kinda need that
storm veldt
yeah i would never dream that the first loadout would have most of customization with it - testing the foundations alone is important af
I rly want the basic classes to tick like swiss watch
lime escarp
Dont get ur hopes up too much it is only alpha 1
So a lot of things will probs change later
storm veldt
I know 😄 I would be amazed if most classes are not going to be dysfunctional in the alpha rollout
sweet void
Will the visual changes in the node be visible in the horizon? Like once u lvl to a metropolis, u can see the skyline from far away
reef osprey
@storm veldt i don't think it will be that bad
The classes have been played by high tier pledge owners for a while now and it's also the second iteration of combat
sweet void
True, the game has been tested not just by qa but by gamers who pledged early. The phoenix initiative folk and alpha0 guys
storm veldt
Then I'm looking forward to be amazed
wise atlas
@idle siren is it possible for a Tank / Tank to spec into an ability which would allow them to equip a Shield in each hand?
dull ruin
I believe this has been answered before and it was No, you will not be able to equip dual shields
merry acorn
Lmao
sly monolith
smack those shields!!
storm veldt
I wonder how much active movement is there going to be (passive movement inc and active skills)
grand belfry
How will they balance the damage of someone that uses alot of lock-target skills against someone that dosnt? Will there be some kind of "You will lose 5% damage for each skill you choose to use as a "lock-target" skill beyond 70% of you all your skills"?
storm veldt
I think that there is more than enough time to start about tuning - but I suppose that tab targeting will generally be doing less damage than projectiles - just from the skill requirement
grand belfry
Yeah I hate to see tab target (skill lock) to be the norm. Especially for range classes.
storm veldt
I just wonder what will binary abilities look like (crowd control, debuffs etc)
reef osprey
@grand belfry their won't be exact equivalents between tab and action combat skills
certain skills will be tab, certain will be action
with action generally having the more potent one in terms of effect
grand belfry
Hmm okey. I thought i saw in one of the youtube videos that they talked about that people will be able to choose for themself if you want one or the other. I hope you are correct.
reef osprey
yeah, you can choose to avoid all the action based skills
whether that makes for a half decent build is a different question
storm veldt
Well yeah - they said that you will be able to choose the skills you want - that means even skills that are not the best for what you want to do
pliant ocean
Up to 75% of either one. So you wont be able to have 100% action or 100% tab target
full scroll
What will be like a normal party size? I've seen that raid group size will be 8,16,40.
If it's 8 as well, how will the holy trinity work in that? 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4 dps? 1,1,6?
storm veldt
It all depends on what the skills will be - so I wonder if players theorycrafting the game will have this restriction of 75% of either one as an obstacle or it will be just a protection barrier for new players
midnight iron
Do we know what loot distribution system are they planning for dungeons/raids? Personal loot, master loot?
full scroll
Master loot will deffinitely be one of them
storm veldt
@midnight iron afaik several loot systems that the group chooses to use
midnight iron
@full scroll Thank god.
full scroll
And if there is more then one group, it'll depend on who tagged it and who participated what %
I think there was talk like if group A tags it, they need to do 40% of the damage to be eligable for loot, and group B has to do 60% of damage to be eligable, but I'm not entirely sure about it. No clue how bards and healers will work in that as well
storm veldt
isn't it that if you do less than 40% dmg contribution you have no loot table?
than the other group doing the encounter
reef osprey
@full scroll most likely
1 tank
1 offtank
1 heal
1 offheal/support
4 dps
low orchid
I don't think they have all that set in stone yet. But yeah they were throwing around 40%+ damage if that group tagged the mob first, and 60%+ if not.
merry acorn
Warth With healing Bard bard can still heal :3
Would That be considered a off heal aswell?
low orchid
I think Steven mentioned that one of each primary archetype would be optimal. Could be wrong
merry acorn
Yes he did
Cus he doesn't want there to be no reason to play a certain class
For instance Rouges can Find treasure and Mages cna detect traps and Hidden rooms
Explosive traps*
grand belfry
Isnt the because some archtypes can see paths invisable for other archtyps? Like rogues can see hidden paths, and mages can see bridges
merry acorn
Lol Just answered ur question haha there isn't any other info besides that
low orchid
And clerics can clear poisonous air in areas, according to last video
reef osprey
@grand belfry mage can break blockages i think (that's what they have shown in one of the old videos
reef osprey
@grand belfry rogues can reach certain placed though their Rogue climbing
@merry acorn for example in a dungeon, you might need a mage to reach a chest or an alternative path
reef rivet
Does anyone know how many characters we will be allowed to have, and what kind of restrictions their will be on having multiple lvl capped characters, if any?
grand belfry
I wonder what archtype will be the least played. I have seen polls but every poll is different
low orchid
@reef rivet A "comfortable amount" is all we know
merry acorn
well yea its all opinion based since alot is in the air but Yea i bet it would go by what @reef osprey said
random trench
Rogues can find hidden doors
dire pond
Hey all wanted to know if anyine knows if any character can have a melee set and a range set?
merry acorn
@random trench nah thats mage
storm veldt
Depends on how strong tanks are going to be - because if they will do really well in open world content killing things then I see a world where people pick a lot of tank primaries/secondaries archetypes
low orchid
Tanks sound amazing for group PvP at least
grand belfry
Yeah looks like they will be cc-bots :/
random trench
@merry acorn livestream 25 jul 42:49
merry acorn
Look on the Wiki
WHich is the offical wiki
the mage has a ability
I did think that but yea the wiki is more concrete since Steven can sometimes mispeak
random trench
One thung doesn't exclude the other
reef osprey
what if i told you that classes of multiple useful out of combat abilities
merry acorn
But Dunno unless we ask cus those both sources are reliable in their own sense
reef osprey
its not one or the other
random trench
Illusory passages/traps for the mage mechanical for the rogue, everyone's happy
merry acorn
IDfk Potato tomato
forest pike
potato?
random trench
I'd really like zucchini, an area accessible only by teleport. Which an augment for 2nd archetype mage too
storm veldt
IMO I would love these mechanics as part of boss design - so have a place only a rogue can climb to kill something that endangers the raid and same for mages to destroy environment to help to kill the boss etc
icy niche
know they said they didnt want to have addons possibly, due to stuff like mechanic assist addons. but i think its nessesary to have the option to atleast customize the ui trough addons or a very complex ui editor.
storm veldt
Extensive UI customization is important for an mmo - however this part is in big part just left for the playerbase to develop their own ui addons
sharp hare
If i remember they said that they will have UI customization implemented in the options so addons wont be needed
woeful vector
Any information out there regarding the tech Intrepid is using or developing to create the game? I understand that they are using UE5 but is it a variation of it or something else?
storm veldt
I just hope that they will support moving any UI part anywhere the player wants on their screen
sharp hare
Also in some video the said that every class will have an unique ability like rogues find traps and hidden doors, mages can open those magical barrier walls etc
icy niche
im talking about them possibly not supporting addons, in fear of addons becoming OP like in many other games
dense ridge
I believe current stance is no addons
frigid edge
@woeful vector I think its UE4
pliant ocean
Ashes isn't allowing Addons at all.
sharp hare
I hope there will be no addons as they said, Steven does not like screen full off addons and dps meters and whatnot so you see only 10% of the screen
candid lava
Alts on the same account costs extra $14.99 right?
low orchid
Yeah it's unreal engine 4 with some custom backend stuff they wrote to allow 250v250 battles
frigid edge
@candid lava I don't believe so, not sure of how many alts you can have but I'm pretty sure its 14.99 per account.
wise atlas
@idle siren Can shields be equipped by non-Tank classes, such as Clerics, Mages, etc?
sharp hare
You can compare it to vanilla wow back in the day, no one knew anything about quests and boss mechanics and when someone learned them he could share it with ppl he wanted to, it gives value to knowledge and experience making game more fun and rewarding