As last info give you can place a T1 mount skin on a T1 mount. Does not have to match exactly, just tier.
#questions
ruby swift
onyx knoll
Right that's how i understood it, so a horse would be a T1, and snail is probably also T1 since no wings, so you could snail a horse
somber basalt
ah i see
steady ocean
T1 mounts are ground mounts, T2 mounts are those that glide/jump, T3 mounts are those that can fly as I understand it
crystal beacon
ah ok ok
ruby swift
Yes, the vast majority of skins are T1. There were some T2 skins sold in the KS packages, and there was at T2/T3 combo given out during APOC
steady ocean
You can read more on mounts here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Mounts
crystal beacon
i am just interested if that skin will be applicable to endgame mount
whether it be whatever t
onyx knoll
It should be
crystal beacon
i just want to use the skin if i buy it
onyx knoll
"end-game" mounts will just be mounts that were bred to have amazing stats from how I understand the system, so you could apply any skin to them
ruby swift
Yes that is why they wanted them to be skins instead of actual mounts. Removes p2w and also makes it relevant throughout your gaming time.
onyx knoll
they're no different then early mounts other then their stats
ruby swift
Have a shitty horse, look great. Have a great horse, look great.
crystal beacon
i see yes
onyx knoll
correct
crystal beacon
lul
steady ocean
Think of every ground mount as a skin. A horse is just a horse skin until you put another skin on it @crystal beacon
strange moon
Is evade or sap tanking going to be an option/viable?
crystal beacon
that makes it more confusing haha
just saying one skin on all mounts is better imo
of same tier
steady ocean
@strange moon Steven has mentioned evasion tanking in the past, so there may be some possibilities
ruby swift
Now there may be restrictions within a tier later down the line, that like any other system is still open to iteration. For example you may not be able to apply a horse mount skin T1 to a T1 acquatic mount. But that has not been confirmed yet.
strange moon
Could you possibly link the video or text where he talks about it @steady ocean
steady ocean
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Tank top section mentions evasion tanks
strange moon
Tyvm
steady ocean
most likely
rich kraken
so cute
crystal beacon
also what are the other skins releasing on 5th
steady ocean
We won't know until they are officially leaked/released.
crystal beacon
officially leaked lol
onyx knoll
Like with every pack there will be a pet, a mount, a caravan (or ship), a building, a costume and an accessory
onyx knoll
We only know the mount, the caravan and the pet
dry rover
If the freehold instanced or in the real world?
oblique scarab
Snorsy
steady ocean
real world @dry rover
ruby swift
Unofficially. Steven does love to troll. Until confirmed those could be leaks of a package planned 6 months from now (probably not)
stuck girder
Will there be specific gathering resources only found in specific biomes?
onyx knoll
"real" world lol, but yeah anyone can walk into your freehold, it isn't instance and takes up room in the world
ruby swift
@stuck girder yes
stuck girder
ruby swift
And seasons
onyx knoll
@stuck girder Ressources will spawn in places that make sense for them to be, so forests will have a lot of lumber, mountains will have a lot of stone etc
stuck girder
but i mean... will snow biomes have a tree not found anywhere else?
something that would make very long distance trading good
steady ocean
Yes
stuck girder
onyx knoll
@stuck girder https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Gathering
stuck girder
time to farm snow trees
onyx knoll
crystal beacon
this upcoming skin pack is amazing
a frog and a snail with legs
will alpha 2 be in the pack still?
crystal flax
Yes, A2 will more than likely be available to purchase up until A2 itself
unreal zealot
kinda wish the frog was the mount xD
onyx knoll
They'll give us a warning when they'll be close to removing the Alpha access from the packs
flint barn
Please keep this channel for questions and answers only
unreal zealot
gonna have the same animatio nas the ant eater mount i think
oblique scarab
@unreal zealot bounce around your freehold like hippoty hoppity get off my property!
crystal beacon
is the accessory skin a weapon?
oblique scarab
I dont think they have offered weapon skins yet.
crystal flax
This most recent one is a pauldron, there's been capes, monocles, gloves
Accessory can be anything really
ruby swift
The accessory is usually a single piece item that goes in, wait for it, the accessory slot.
onyx knoll
rofl
ruby swift
Weapon skins were offered in APOC
oblique scarab
I wish they would sell weapon skins with armor.
onyx knoll
there was a ring too, which makes me think jewelry will be modeled on your character
jolly nacelle
I know that A2 has no date yet, but anyone got an estimate?
oblique scarab
Spring or summer next year
steady ocean
Community is speculating mid 2021-ish
onyx knoll
I'm guesstimating 6-8 months after the start of A1, but it's really just wild guessing
oblique scarab
At the latest fall next year
idle siren
has steven estimated the total cost of funding this project?
jolly nacelle
he said that it is currently funded to completion
idle siren
yeah, i have heard that. I wonder what the number is though.
steady ocean
We don't know specifics, as we don't know outside investor information.
ruby swift
He originally budgeted 30 million to get it to launch with the features promised. He has since said he may have to throw another 10 mill on top of that. But no one besides Intrepid knows exactly what has been spent. The great thing about no investors he talks about, no public earnings breakdown to be reported.
idle siren
crazy number man
ruby swift
Budgeting 30 million for a project and spending 30 million are two very different things.
idle siren
Anyone know whether when wow started, it had public investors right?
steep lion
ok, i just recently started following AoC since New World fell through for the time being. Are there any cheaper ways to buy into the beta without dropping 75? If that question is asked a lot or is an easy question to look up, im sorry lol.
steady ocean
There is not @steep lion
ruby swift
Sorry nope, those are the current pack prices.
dreamy temple
none. you have to buy it unfortunately.
i mean i dont really care. i'll just watch some gameplay and that'll suffice
steep lion
i'll probably just do the same. idk, im just mmo hungry
onyx knoll
@steep lion Do note that the Beta won't be live for a WHILE, so I recommend you hold off on it for now 😛
oblique scarab
@steep lion same bro.. the mmo scene is so stale these days.
ruby swift
They are in a pre A1 ramp up atm. You will start to see streams estimated in a couple months when the NDA is lifted with the start of A1 proper.
dreamy temple
yep. beta is most likely mid 2021
oblique scarab
Beta is more likely late 2021 fam
steep lion
Oh, so it is a bit far off. oof
onyx knoll
Yeah, Ashes is nowhere near close to launch haha
ruby swift
All dates not give by Intrepid are wildly varying estimations by community members.
onyx knoll
anytime ^^
ruby swift
They only give dates they KNOW they can hit now.
lusty haven
Will badass character skins be obtainable only or are there badass skins that you can apply from lvl 1 literally ?
Buy and apply that is
ruby swift
You have to have the equivalent item in game to skin. So have a horse tamed at level 1. Skin it.
onyx knoll
You'll be able to buy and apply shop cosmetic from lvl 1 as far as I know
But you can also get badass-looking gear in game
unlike other games we won't mention (cough BDO cough)
oblique scarab
Will item skins like armor we have purchased be available in the testing phase like A1 and such?
onyx knoll
Not sure on that one, I assume they'll be available in A2 for testing purposes but probably not A1
I doubt most of them will be ready for A1 lol
ruby swift
They had some of our skins available during the APOC testing, how the cosmetic skins work and the systems related to it will be most likely in A2.
oblique scarab
Cause I need to see my armors in game.
I got both of these and I'd love to see them in game.
ruby swift
low path
Will the castle sieges be instanced?
oblique scarab
Not likely
ruby swift
Possibly parts
onyx knoll
Well, as I said they probably won't even be ready (aka modeled/textured etc in time for A1, but they'll probably show them at some point
crystal beacon
can i ping an official game moderator to make sure that if i buy a us pack i can transfer it to eu later?
lusty haven
I got both of these and I'd love to see them in game.
@oblique scarab Imagine looking at a guy lvl 1 wearing this skin... fuck
steady ocean
@crystal beacon You can
ruby swift
You could, but all they are going to do is refer you to the official website.
onyx knoll
You can transfer packs to EU
oblique scarab
@lusty haven Right? I know so many people who are salty they didnt buy into the game early and get those 2 armor skins like I did. Gonna be lit
crystal beacon
i see
onyx knoll
@low path It's unclear at the moment. To me it sounds like it'll be instanced, but it's not been 100% confirmed
lusty haven
@lusty haven Right? I know so many people who are salty they didnt buy into the game early and get those 2 armor skins like I did. Gonna be lit
@oblique scarab I knoww man, I'm just worried it will ruing the grinding part for skins, but I might be wrong
steady ocean
I assume that guild sieges are instanced as they have the 250x250 plan in place. They have said node sieges though will be open world
oblique scarab
@lusty haven Steven straight up said there will be badass skins available to grind in game that are equal if not better then the cash shop items.
ruby swift
@low path
onyx knoll
lusty haven
@lusty haven Steven straight up said there will be badass skins available to grind in game that are equal if not better then the cash shop items.
@oblique scarab I understand, which is awesome, but still, finding a lvl 1 fella with that badass skin that makes him look like lvl 99 does make me feel like a pancake
Hope I'm wrong tho haha
reef osprey
Just make a translucent wall only people who have a certain buff can traverse @onyx knoll (either attacker, or defender)
onyx knoll
Please keep this channel clear for questions and answers
crystal beacon
I pre-ordered the game and got into the beta 2 test thats SUPER far off from now right?
steady ocean
Right
ruby swift
It will be after A2, so you have a wait, but no one knows how long it will be.
oblique scarab
Walk up on people in the badass Demon armor.. get creamed by some dude wearing a sack for armor. Lol
lusty haven
Walk up on people in the badass Demon armor.. get creamed by some dude wearing a sack for armor. Lol
@oblique scarab Hahahaha spot on
onyx knoll
@oblique scarab Please move discussions to #aoc-discussion or #general-discussion ^^
robust path
I have a question, is there going to be npc shops in town that sells like consumables like lets say low tier health potions or something or everything will be crafting only?
crystal beacon
ok back to the question: there is no official answer yet when the snail pack will be on eu, right? (just figured out it is 60 euros more if i buy the us pack)
unreal zealot
Us website doesnt include tax i think
ruby swift
@robust path There are basic tools available from npcs and potions so far in testing
onyx knoll
@robust path We don't know yet for sure, but probably. We'll probably have to wait until alpha 1 starts to know
Nvm, Unknown knows 😛
ruby swift
@crystal beacon No estimation on when that availability will happen again.
robust path
Ty :)
oblique scarab
@onyx knoll Doom and I have been going back and forth about a question I started and he reaponded.. technically we are discussing the question with comments to go along.. like a thread.
crystal beacon
but we will get the snail pack eventually, right?
agile pagoda
I have three questions:
- are seasons regional? (e.g. on the east continent it is winter while in the west it is summer)
- are some regions excluded from seasons? I can imagine that somewhere in a high mountain it still snows, even if it is supposed to be "summer"
- do races have special traits? (e.g. Dunir dwarfs affinity to smithing?)
lusty haven
Literally exchanged 3 sentences, lol
I will send a raven next time buddy, no worries
oblique scarab
Lmao
onyx knoll
Once a question moves into a discussion then we ask that they migrate over to the appropriate channel. I understand it started as a question, but now you are just sharing opinions ^^
steady ocean
@agile pagoda Seasons are regional, yes some regions do not have seasons, yes races have racial abilities (not known yet what those are)
ruby swift
@unreal zealot Yes, the US site does not include VAT, which many EU countries have. That can make the packages a pita for those in countries that have VAT since in the US it is not included normally in stated prices and is applied after sale.
oblique scarab
But if the questions go back and forth wouldnt it still fall under the questions tab? 
onyx knoll
@agile pagoda Races will have special augments that are exclusives and slightly different stats but we don,t know what those are yet.
reef osprey
@agile pagoda
seaons themselves are global, but some zones are not affected (desert)
races have special traits, yes - we don't know them yet
oblique scarab
@reef osprey Desert is not effected by seasons but do you think things like Sandstorms and rain could effect it?
Maybe rain can make puddles of quicksand or something that can harm players or cut off areas? Maybe even lead to underground passages?
steady ocean
@oblique scarab There will be dynamic weather in the game. You can read more here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Climate
ruby swift
Desert may not experience snow. Or it may. They have just said some could have lesser effects of seasons and others could be locked due to world events.
oblique scarab
I know dynamic weather is a thing but I'm curious if things like a rainstorm can make changes temporarily to environments like maybe flood a river that could cause issues with low fishing and trade routes.
lusty haven
Oof highly doubt it, but who knows
oblique scarab
Because if they go that in depth oh boy that would be amazong.
ruby swift
I believe Jeffrey covered that when talking about hurricanes, or flooding the Underrealm. They would like to do it, but the system complexity is not part of the plan as of yet. Maybe later.
oblique scarab
Dope
steady ocean
If you read through what I linked you would get an idea of what the devs are going for. For example:
reef osprey
flush the tulnar out of their dirty homes, i like that
lusty haven
Is there a max player count when doing dungeons ? Probably asked thousands of times now lol apologies
reef osprey
@lusty haven you can have 8 people in your group
ruby swift
As they have mentioned. They can do anything if they put their mind to it that current technology will let them. It is just time and money thrown at such a problem are time and money not spent in another place. They have a fixed development timetable with specific goals and fight the creep.
lusty haven
@lusty haven you can have 8 people in your group
@reef osprey Understood, but other groups can still come into your dungeon correct ? If its a public one that is
past pewter
i pray that we get spellbooks and orbs as weapon types
steady ocean
Open world dungeons will most likely not have a player limit @lusty haven Instanced dungeons are limited to the amount of groups of 8 you bring
reef osprey
@lusty haven yes,
public dungeons are like an extension of the overworld.
9000 player could be inside at the same time theoretically
lusty haven
Mmm can't wait to have a Tomorrowland dungeon (just about 5000 people)
oblique scarab
@past pewter I think they will.. I believe steven said they will have like 20 or so different weapon types?
ruby swift
Combat and weapon types are constantly being iterated upon. Last tests a single orb was found as a drop, but it was non-functional.
onyx knoll
fixed
steady ocean
Server transfers initially are not planned unless a servers population needs dev intervention
idle onyx
how do i get a chance to be in alpha?
crystal flax
Buy a pack with A2 access
A1 is currently unavailable for purchase but there's a chance that may change in the future
steady ocean
@idle onyx That would require the $250 pack or above https://accounts.ashesofcreation.com/shop
proven root
are the new cosmetics announced for august 5th?
last oak
Also keep eye out for news never know what may happen
crystal flax
@proven root Yes, that's when the switch will happen
ruby swift
they will swap 11am pst Aug 5th
proven root
Yeah i know but i my question is do we know already what theyre like?
crystal flax
If you meant if the new skins themselves have been announced, we've been leaked 3 of the 6
onyx knoll
@proven root we know a few of them not all
proven root
or will we see them for the first time on the 5th
crystal flax
In the search, do From:Steven has:image
ruby swift
We have leaks yesterday of possible. Not confirmed.
proven root
damn! thank you 🙂 wonder what the character costume will look like
reef osprey
@proven root pretty much like shrek
you can put down your freehold into a swamp, then yell at people who run by to "get out of my swamp"
imagine the RP value
proven root
off the charts
coral raven
Anyone know off the top of their head how supportive the development team is of debilitating classes/builds. I did some research but I couldn't find anything.
empty dragon
Wait is the no pantheon of darkness?
stone mural
Debilitating?
steady ocean
@empty dragon There are 3 "fallen" gods in the pantheon. Not much has been revealed about them. You can read more here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Lore
empty dragon
thanks
steady ocean
@coral raven Can you rephrase the last part of your question
onyx knoll
@coral raven Do you mean a build that focuses on debuffing your targets?
young wind
I can't get into my original kickstarter account and it scares me now lol
@young wind Soooo I can't get into my ashes of creation account now... I sure wish Intrepid had a phone number I could call to get back my $500 account.
steady ocean
@young wind You can put in a ticket to get your issue resolved. Type !cs
crystal beacon
have you tried restarting your pc
young wind
I did a while ago. But now I'm just upset ad need to vent 😦
steady ocean
Just remember account security (and email access issues) are your responsibility. Hopefully your issue gets resolved.
vernal swallow
Does caravan system have sea routes too?
young wind
when the account has a 2FA they need to go through intrepid because thats not possible to bypass...
steady ocean
@vernal swallow Yes, you will be able to transform your land caravan into a sea caravan once you get to the shore.
young wind
Thats why I put in a ticket about my kickstarter account getting stolen
because they would use that account to get through to Intrpid and steal my account.
idle onyx
Are they gonna release a new package in featured items soon? I would like to support and be part of beta and alpha 2 but I'm not a huge fan of the cosmetics
r
steady ocean
@young wind I understand it is frustrating, but this is not the place to vent. Perhaps you can get advice in #general-discussion
idle onyx
n*
steady ocean
@idle onyx Yes, the next pack will be released on Aug 5th
idle onyx
great! ty man!
ruby swift
All you can do is file a ticket and wait. You may be in for a bit of a wait. They are experiencing a high volume of tickets at the moment. People like to file customer service tickets with "How do I node?" and "Where is the download link? I can't find the download link!"
young wind
@young wind I understand it is frustrating, but this is not the place to vent. Perhaps you can get advice in #general-discussion
@steady ocean Wouldn't this be the best place to vent when Intrepid has security issues, no phone number to contact, I have a $500 braver of worlds account, and I am getting emails like this.
Help Desk?
steady ocean
I would advise you to post here https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/categories/support-faq . This is a channel where the community can answer specific questions for each other
ruby swift
No one in this channel can help you with account issues. Even if Toast decides to take pity on you, all she can do is escalate it to the customer service team, and as I said before, last info they gave us a few days ago is that they are abnormally busy atm.
young wind
/sigh
steady ocean
Be aware that some emails may be phishing attempts, so try not to click on any links provided in emails. Only put in your username/password after going to the Intrepid website yourself. @young wind
reef osprey
@young wind if there was a security issue, then the person trying to get your account would have gotten this mail, not you 
ruby swift
They have very good customer support, but when swamped with thousands of new people who file tickets for whatever issue they feel is important, it takes them awhile. Like any process when overwhelmed.
Take a breath and relax, not like they can actually do anything with your account atm.
young wind
Even with phishing how do you get past 2FA without my authenticator?
tacit summit
Will the Alpha 2 bundle be available after the 5th? I want to get alpha access, but I’m not too keen on the moss themed bundle
steady ocean
Yes @tacit summit
tacit summit
And just to clarify, is that the 375 dollar bundle. I’m on my phone atm
ruby swift
@young wind Also, did you just join Discord?
stone mural
I think the 250 offers it
steady ocean
$250+ offers alpha access
coral raven
@steady ocean @onyx knoll sorry about that I got pulled away. I usually play a debilitating tank/debuff class in most PvP mmo's and I wasn't aware of the diminishing CC's (which is great IMO) I just wasn't sure if they spoke openly about classes that hinder other classes ability to heal/speed/buff. I always like setting people up for my DPS to get easy kills so I wasn't sure if they gave any hints about if the support that settle of gameplay.
tacit summit
Last question, have they announced the next cosmetic pack? I don’t remember seeing it on their site
reef osprey
@tacit summit not yet
young wind
@young wind Also, did you just join Discord?
@ruby swift Yeah. I was on here in 2019 on a different account but haven't been on in a while. Just watching youtube video's to keep updated
tacit summit
Okay thanks!
ruby swift
Cool, they will get you sorted to be sure. Just won't be as fast as you would like. It is normal to have a degree of worry when account issues arise.
steady ocean
They've given some previews of a few of the cosmetics. If you search my name you'll see where I posted them @tacit summit
young wind
Cool, they will get you sorted to be sure. Just won't be as fast as you would like. It is normal to have a degree of worry when account issues arise.
@ruby swift You are right, I'm just upset. I
steady ocean
@coral raven It really depends on how the augment system plays out, which we will get to see more info during Alpha 2
left solstice
What’s going to be the maximum number of players for any one guild?
steady ocean
It will only include the primary archetypes, the secondary archetyps are planned for alpha 2
ruby swift
A1 is currently to level 10. Augment are not till 25. The plan is A2
steady ocean
@left solstice 300 if all guild points go towards membership
reef osprey
@left solstice between 30-50 and 300
depending on how many guild points you allocate to size increases
left solstice
Awesome thanks @reef osprey @steady ocean
ruby swift
All right, I got a 75 gig install running in the background. Time to go to the store for food, then come back and get gaming. Have fun.
solemn skiff
How does race affect a node? I understand the buildings will be made to look like they are from that race, but is that upon initial creation? Or is it upon each level up?
low path
have we heard anything about the unique items that only one person can have at a time on servers? (not talking about mounts)
winter field
@solemn skiff each level up
last oak
Can change as node changes
lofty star
what is the currect phase of the game right now?
twin basin
alpha
solemn skiff
Can they be mixed? Or is it 100% one race?
steady ocean
Slow roll out of Alpha-1
last oak
Ex delevel a node an raise it with more of x race than other would change
crystal flax
@solemn skiff It's the race which contributes the most EXP to the node
lofty star
so if i buy the $150 i'll have to wait until it gets to beta 1 which will be next year?
twin basin
probably not next year
steady ocean
@lofty star correct, whenever Beta is released
dry rover
Just got Voyager Plus! However, I meant to wait until the fifth. Is there anyway of undoing that purchase?
crystal flax
Not at the moment
stable plover
@dry rover You can try contacting CS through a ticket
steady ocean
try putting in a ticket, no guarantee it will be seen before the 5th with their workload atm @dry rover
dire pond
is there a way to change the cosmetic of the pre order?
twin basin
not unless youre a major streamer that pulls in 30k+ people
last oak
With the higher pack bought can also buy cosmetics separately now.
dire pond
ok the voyager pack?
steady ocean
@dire pond You can purchase any future cosmetics that catch your eye
reef osprey
@twin basin 15k enough?
sinful echo
will this game have a decent grind option to level up instead of doing quests?
twin basin
lol you could email them and ask
reef osprey
@sinful echo yes
stable plover
@sinful echo Grinding is an option, likely won't be the optimal one though.
dry rover
I dont see how to contact them.
steady ocean
@dry rover click this link
solemn skiff
Does anyone know the format of the alpha/beta? Are they persistent? Do they roll over to the next one?
twin basin
alpha one is not persistent
alpha 2 will be
from what i read once alpha 2 starts its gonna be going through till launch
sinful echo
i just think it's really annoying when the only option is to do quests...leveling quests are so annoying...
solemn skiff
Nice, thanks! Assuming the betas will be the same.
twin basin
that could be wrong info though
solemn skiff
Oh wow okay
last oak
Alpha one is going through changes as needed/development
stable plover
@solemn skiff Only A2 is persistent, all others have scheduled sessions, A1 will gradually work towards higher uptime, A2 lasts until launch (eventually simultaneously with B1/B2) expect wipes
steady ocean
They are their own servers yes
twin basin
its one of the few things we dont have to speculate on lmao
solemn skiff
Speculation is half the fun
last oak
Beta More of a longer test phase to see how things go with time and progression via upgrades kind of a mini mmo experience with a good view of what's going on
oblique scarab
Will a guild leader be able to transfer ownership to someone else?
steady ocean
@oblique scarab Yes
low path
All player progress before launch will be wiped upon launch right?
steady ocean
Right @low path
low path
thanks
tardy mortar
Are we allowed to twitch stream A/B content?
low path
yes
stable plover
@low path A2 becomes the test server, but all progress for the live servers gets wiped, possibly apart from some earnable cosmetic promotion stuff that might happen
low path
@stable plover That makes sense, thankyou!
ruby swift
@oblique scarab Transfer of guild leadership is possible, but mechanics on transferring leadership if a guild leader has abandoned the guild have not been finalized.[11] There also will NOT be a workaround for a guild to pass along guild leadership to cheese the Royal mount mechanics when in control of a castle.
wheat tulip
Will they do more passes on animation for character models? They seem a bit floaty and like they don't have the right weight at the moment. Same with movement for horses
ruby swift
@wheat tulip Animations are in constant iterations
steady ocean
@wheat tulip Yes, this is very early dev phase so of course the animations will be smoothed out
last oak
In the works
half apex
What if a major become afk after getting the posotion because of irl related things and a node doesn't improve for the time beeing? Any option to take to change it?
stable plover
@half apex wait until the next election
oblique scarab
@ruby swift the transfer is not an attempt to cheese anything, just curious if someone found a guild and wants to transfer to someone else if it's possible which seems like it will be.
last oak
Elections
ruby swift
@half apex Yes, the next election
sleek pollen
can i ask when is the release of this game
stable plover
@sleek pollen no release date or ETAs on stuff after the start of A1 testing in the Fall.
oblique scarab
@sleek pollen TBA
wheat tulip
When it's ready I believe. Alpha was somewhere late this if not early next month for testing
ruby swift
@oblique scarab Was just putting it out there in advance. That is usually the next question that follows.
half apex
there is no other option then, i see
sleek pollen
okay thankyou
oblique scarab
@ruby swift I appreciate the response.
low path
Would it be technically possible for a guild of say 1 or 2 people to become mayor of a max level town?
and then in turn be granted a flying mount because they are royalty?
lofty star
how do you get into a1?
low path
@lofty star You had to buy it, but the purchase of it has ended
oblique scarab
@lofty star you would have needed to buy a KS account
steady ocean
@lofty star A1 access is not available currently unless you already got it via the kickstarter/summer backer packs
lofty star
so if you buy one of those packs in the shop that have a2 then that's when you can start playing?
reef osprey
@low path you mean if a town can have 2 mayors?
No
oblique scarab
If you have a kickstarter pack currently you can upgrade to A1
low path
@reef osprey no thats not what I mean
reef osprey
@low path
you mean that a guild can rig the election to make one of their own mayor?
yes
last oak
A individual can be mayor and royalty is based upon having one of the castles
desert ivy
Your best chance to become mayor would be either through winning the Military Node battle or the Divine Node questing
You're not gonna beat guilds when it comes to the Scientific voting or Economic bidding
steady ocean
@low path 1 or 2 people would not be able to outpace another node to get to tier 6 first. There can only ever be 5 tier 6 nodes on an entire server
wheat tulip
I'm thinking how would the voting start? Would you have an interface for your current city and citizenship along with who's voted on that week/month?
reef osprey
@desert ivy well, you might beat the guilds in voting.
a 4k pop metropolis won't be influenced that much by 300 strong guild
desert ivy
No, but alliances are a thing
so that guild could technically be 1200 members
And they definitely have a better chance of winning compared to a guild with 2 members
low path
So you know how only the leaders of the guilds that control one of the 5 castles and then the leaders of the 5 other major cities have royalty status and get mounts? Would it be possible for a guild of one person to control one of these 10 things and get a flying mount because of it
desert ivy
Definitely couldn't control a castle
Again, the major city your 2 best bets would be Military Nodes or Divine
low path
But the citizens are just guild members
last oak
To vote must be a citizen of the node tier 3+
low path
What makes you be able to control a castle? what it the elections system for it?
ruby swift
@wheat tulip We have already seen this in the case of a scientific node tested. After a node reaches level 3 there is a one week cooldown before the first election. Citizens can register to be on the ballot during that time. There is a server message and time counting down to the election. Then citizens vote and the person selected is the mayor for a month.
reef osprey
@low path castles are decided by castle sieges (which is guild v. guild content)
low path
So how do they acquire it originally
stable plover
@low path Guild size doesn't matter for becoming mayor of a town, that's something an individual does, The individual could be in a guild with one other person
desert ivy
Castles have NPCs at the start you need to beat
But after that, it's all guild controlled
reef osprey
@low path first you take it from npcs, then you take it from the previous guild that owned it
last oak
Castle will be comparable to raid tier content while takes it is in control
desert ivy
You're not going to beat a 300+ guild with 2 guild members. You have 0 chance.
low path
But more than just a guild can participate in a siege, so how do they decide who controls the castle when they win
ruby swift
It is populated by extremely tough npcs initially. Getting them out and your guild in will take the equivalent effort of building a node to metropolis level is the planned level of difficulty of that raid.
reef osprey
@desert ivy but i'm named Kirito-Senpai. Doesn't that give me special powers?
wheat tulip
Oh that's neat @ruby swift So does that mean u have to wait a week to start taxation and building projects etc?
stable plover
@low path The channel to capture the castle can only be done by a guild leader, and their appointed officer, the winner is the one to finish channel.
low path
@stable plover So a small guild could piggyback off a larger guilds success in a siege and then just start channeling before said larger guild?
ruby swift
@wheat tulip For the level 3 node? Yes. Some services that don't require the mayors input will be online, but building and the mayor actions wont be till a week after "pop"
stable plover
@low path They'd die a gruesome death when both sides turned on them I'm thinking, but sure
low path
I thought attackers couldnt hurt other fellow attackers?
lofty star
is their a road map somewhere?
reef osprey
@stable plover so attackers can flag on each other mid-siege?
low path
And what would stop attackers from turning on eacthother once they reach the channeling
last oak
Also with the guild progression system a 50 person guild could stand against once numbers focused will require tactics and good leadership
desert ivy
Yeah, there's a roadmap in Intrepids office probably but no actual public one
wheat tulip
So some aspects of the management system seems a bit like civ 5 if I understand u correctly then? @ruby swift
For some type of cities
reef osprey
@stable plover that would be sick, imagine the backstabs, imagine the drama
sexy idea
low path
it would be awful imo
ruby swift
@low path Nothing, they want that to be part of gameplay. You could get stabbed in the back by your "allies"
low path
would defeat the purpose of the idea that the attackers are one large army
desert ivy
Drama is one thing they're trying to encourage with Ashes
reef osprey
@low path no, it would make you consider twice who you bring
ruby swift
@wheat tulip Steven is a big Civ player, so probably part of the inspiration.
reef osprey
@desert ivy in older games you always had a "Server Forum" where all the drama of a server was beefed out by keyboard warriors.
We need that
low path
So do you have to flag them to attack them? Or will aoe attacks just accidently kill your teammates
reef osprey
@low path no accidental hitting of your teammates, no
ruby swift
You have to "force flag"
low path
Would that potentially affect your corruption status?
reef osprey
not during castle sieges
low path
even if you force flag?
stable plover
Everyone at the siege is already a combatant
ruby swift
No, because you are in a sanctioned pvp event. The open world flagging rules do not apply
reef osprey
@low path everybody at sieges is a forced combatant, so you can't get corruption
low path
But your killing fellow attackers....
reef osprey
you aren't killing them... you are showing them how your dagger would feel in their back... 🙂
desert ivy
I dont think you understand what corruption is
low path
I do
desert ivy
Everyone in the siege has flagged as combatant
you cannot corrupt if you attack combatants
stray robin
So @low path you feel like you should be able to sneak one of the 5 great castles?
low path
Apparently you can
ruby swift
If this is going to derail into discussion please move on down there.
stray robin
No it's not realistic, the large guild in charge would murder you
low path
I have a few other questions, Are there only 5 nodes other than castles that are able to reach max rank at a given time?
ruby swift
Yes
steady ocean
@low path 5 tier 6 nodes, the rest will be tier 5 and below
low path
thanks
last oak
it's based off of a tiering system and area control higher tier nodes will block lower from progressing above them
reef osprey
@ruby swift do we know how many tier 5 nodes will be able to be in the world max? and how many stage 4 nodes?
due to their zoi?
that would be interesting
steady ocean
No, as there are a few scenarios that would affect that number. You can read more on nodes here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Nodes
last oak
that would be how the zone of influence affect and overs other nodes will be a ever changing world
ruby swift
The actual numbers will be based off of how the zoi is formed and which nodes become vassals and lock out other nodes below them. The ZOI is not perfect circles.
reef osprey
@steady ocean obviously their location would affect it.
but how much the absolute maximum would be would be interesting
grim sparrow
Is there an expected timeline for when kickstarter package upgrades would be removed as an accessible option in the store?
reef osprey
yeah i know, just the absolute maximum would be interesting, even if will only be half as many or 75% on average
ruby swift
They have only said that they would give "plenty of notice"
steady ocean
@reef osprey You can try asking on the official forums or on the AoC reddit to see if a dev will reply
reef osprey
i might send it in for a QnA. It's not really important information. Just curious.
Would also help with getting a guesstimate of the ZOIs of stage 4/5 nodoes
nodes*
tardy mortar
Can sieges be done at any stage of a node?
ruby swift
Stage 3 and above
steady ocean
stage 3+ if your group can afford the required materials
thorn reef
So if we have a core game question...are we allowed to bug the Intrepid Studio folks?
I have not seen it forbidden in the rules
steady ocean
You can always create a post on the official forums or reddit, or try here first if you want
ruby swift
You can. But you most likely won't get a response. They let those in the community handle those answers mainly.
thorn reef
Well, then I'll ask here...and see if the community can answer my question first.
Sorry for length...I pre-wrote this ordeal.
I want to apologize if this has been well outlined before and I welcome any links to the matter, but I have been curious to the Ashes of Creation approach to crafting since I started looking at the game as I love games with in depth crafting systems.
Question 1) When crafting, is Ashes of Creation planning to approach them from game documented recipes or will the crafting system involve some discovery through combining different “ingredients” to discover new combinations? I tend to love the latter as it rewards creativity and self-exploration within the craft.
Question(s) 2) As the world seems to have an pleasant intertwining loop between PvE/PvP progression the world, I already see how crafting fits into building it further. However, I am curious if one wants to be a gathering/crafting junky like myself…is there a way to level up off the crafting system or will I need to PvE extensively to further my profession/crafting skillsets? Or perhaps…is the crafting system progression capped/limited by character level?
steady ocean
Q1: recipes
ruby swift
Question 1. Right now we have a mixture of both planned. More details have not been given
Question 2. The artisan system is separate from adventurer level. Answered last livestream
steady ocean
I know you've asked before about the recipes, but in case you didn't read the wiki I'd recommend it. It's what we know about recipes, and then check out the crafting wiki https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Recipes
thorn reef
ah, just what I was looking for
I've binged, but I figured I'd just over looked this
Thanks @ruby swift and @steady ocean
onyx knoll
Also @thorn reef as a gatherer you'll need to level up your combat class because sometimes the plant you're about to gather is actually..... A flower mimic that starts attacking you!!!!
(no, i'm not joking)
proven root
carnivorous plants have evolved
thorn reef
@onyx knoll nothing my Nikua Moana Dwarf Beastmaster Animal Husbander can't handle
coral forge
does it have a chance to also yield resources or something ?
onyx knoll
It'll look exactly like other flowers that do yield ressources, and i assume it'll drop some upon death but that isnt confirmed
thorn reef
That's hysterical @onyx knoll...I missed that mimic thing in the streams.
coral forge
yeah those teeths would make for a nice necklace 
thorn reef
What's scary is...if there are mimic flowers...are their mimic trees...
toxic solar
So can you just plant a level 1 alt that will be a crafter in town and craft/sell at endgame level if you funnel him the mats or will there be level restrictions on the econ side of things?
thorn reef
The forest is alive...with violence
coral forge
and are there mimic mimics ? like nice ones that just hands over the goods and wish you a good day 
thorn reef
I hear ya @coral forge ...why don't mimics ever mimic...friendship
reef osprey
@toxic solar you don't craft in town, you craft on your freehold, but yes
theoretically, we don't know of any system yet that would prevent this
thorn reef
that's good to hear. I just want to be a walking backpack
azure hornet
Are there going to be any more Alpha 1 packs? Or will everything be alpha 2 from now on??
steady ocean
The devs have mentioned it is possible for them to sell A1 access if they need more testers, but I would plan around only being able to get Alpha 2+ access at this point
azure hornet
what about the next bundle images? I want to buy one of the 350 bundles but i want to see if i like the next one more than the current one.
azure hornet
yea i saw those but i want to see the armor skin haha
humble flare
slime armor incoming
thorn reef
@steady ocean ...if you pay for those packs...are they in game accessible? If so...is it purely cosmetic?
wooden cloud
Are they going to keep doing bundles each month for all the time the game is in development? That'd be a huge amount of extra work, for costumes no one will ever get again.
steady ocean
Then you may need to wait until the 5th or until they release more teasers
humble flare
@steady ocean ...if you pay for those packs...are they in game accessible? If so...is it purely cosmetic?
@thorn reef yes its all cosmetic nothing is actually gained, you have to earn the mount in-game and apply the skin to it
steady ocean
@thorn reef All cosmetics are strictly cosmetic. They do not grant stats. They will most likely be accessible on launch, but the devs may have us test them during testing
onyx knoll
@wooden cloud i assume they will be reusing those assets in game
thorn reef
How expensive are the packs?
azure hornet
The only thing that kind of sucks. Is that if I purchase this months. It does not appear as though they have a purchase cosmetic only option after that.
thorn reef
And can the packs be "earned" in game? Or will these be backer exclusives?
humble flare
@thorn reef Steven has said that equal to or greater than cash shop cosmetics will be earnable in-game
steady ocean
@azure hornet You unlock individual cosmetics at the tier you purchased at and below once you buy a pack. However, once the cosmetic "theme" cycles out, you can no longer buy past cosmetics.
onyx knoll
@azure hornet
azure hornet
Elaborate please i dont quite follow
onyx knoll
see above. If you purchase a pack you can buy the appropriate cosmetic later for the listed prices
steady ocean
They are the website currency that is used to buy cosmetics
onyx knoll
So if you purchase the 150$ one you can buy either the accessory and/or pet later for 5/15$
silent brook
Anyone know when the name reservation will take place?
azure hornet
oh so once i buy a 350 you are saying next months cosmetics at a loower price?
onyx knoll
@thorn reef Embers will be the currency used to purchase cosmetics from the shop once the game launches
@silent brook They said sometimes before alpha 1
wooden cloud
I believe they've said it's exclusive, which is why it seems like a 'lot'. If those assets come up reskinned as enemy monsters, like the demonic ghost ship from a previous pack, that'd be a pretty cool way to not waste the work but... 
Like, do you think that Freehold skin is something you might also find somewhere in the game world as part of a node, but a few players would be able to have their own? I guess they never said the cosmetics would be unique to the game world.
onyx knoll
@azure hornet correct, you can individualy buy the ones you like for cheaper
steady ocean
@azure hornet Once you buy a "pack" you no longer pay for the packs at that tier and lower. You only pay for the individual cosmetics that you want
silent brook
@onyx knoll Thank you!
azure hornet
thanks! both of you.
onyx knoll
@wooden cloud that is my assumption, but we don't know 100% for sure
solemn magnet
Hey 🙂 We're setting up an official roleplay website for all german roleplayers and want to ask the devs for permission to use some of their artworks (e.g. the phoenix) to use them as part of a background image. This, of course, is non-commercial. Any idea whats the best approach for contacting them? Support ticket, DM here or DM to one of the mods? Thank you!
steady ocean
You can try contacting them via the official forums if you would like https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/
onyx knoll
@solemn magnet I don't think Mods can help you, I think the images shared by the official AoC accounts is free to re-use for non-commercial use tho, but maybe try sending an email to support
ruby swift
@thorn reef Trust me, lots of jump scares in Ashes. And lots of running while screaming.
azure hornet
whelp i bit the big bullet got the 375 pack now haha
steady ocean
Or perhaps reach out to Toast in a dm, although it may take some time to get a response depending on how busy they are @solemn magnet
azure hornet
man i hope its worth it lol
onyx knoll
@azure hornet Your support is appreciated o7
thorn reef
@ruby swift I look forward to them.
@steady ocean ...now that I realize what's in the packs...I want to spend the money since it includes game time. Are the packs refundable?
orchid temple
Hey all 😄 I asked this question yesterday in voice chat but wasn't able to get an answer, does anyone know if the the world is flat? meaning can keep sailing east will you come out the western side? or will it just stop you once you reach the edge?
still quartz
O.o
solemn magnet
@steady ocean Thank you for your help but who is "Toast"? A Dev?
@onyx knoll Thank you aswell!
steady ocean
You can put in a ticket @thorn reef You don't waste game time though, as subscription does not start until release
ruby swift
@solemn magnet Margaret Krohn is who you would want to talk to about using Intrepid IP for outside purposes. I know they have told people no in the past who were planning to monetize stuff. They are sure to have an official policy in place.
thorn reef
Pre-Order Pack cosmetics are only available during the month they are featured, and will never be available again for purchase.
The won't be reselling these cosmetics 😄
so they're limited exclusives
demon frog mount is on the list
solemn magnet
@ruby swift Thank you too, how can I contact her? 🤔
steady ocean
right click her name on the right side, and click "message"
solemn magnet
Ah, I see! Didn't know she was on Discord
ruby swift
You can DM here here, but may be awhile for response. You could create a forum post and tag her there.
steady ocean
@thorn reef Did my last message answer your question about the subscription time?
thorn reef
@steady ocean yup. I may end up paying for a package later on. Seems neato.
how often have they been dropping these cosmetic bundles?
ruby swift
They are usually monthly
digital aspen
@orchid temple no idea, but i think you hit the big wall on the edge probably
raven quiver
sorry if i missed something but are you able to upgrade preorder packs
steady ocean
@crystal beacon They are skins, not actual mounts. You still have to earn the mounts in game.
@raven quiver Yes, you can upgrade and pay the difference
raven quiver
ok thanks : )
ruby swift
They held the one previous to current for several months because of covid and not wanting people to stress too much who might be having financial difficulties.
scarlet topaz
Based company
thorn reef
Based = Down to earth
ruby swift
Oh, I am old. Did not get the lingo.
thorn reef
urbandictionary is your friend...it's also a scary website for lingo you'll never be able to get out of your head
ruby swift
We get a lot of ESL here too. Sometimes you have to guess what people are trying to ask.
thorn reef
Gotcha. I try to keep up with the times, but my age gets the better of me as well.
heading out into the real world. Thanks for again for the info everyone.
final oxide
will first person be possible?
steady ocean
You will be able to zoom in quite close, but not true first person. That being said, if the combat system transfers over, you will get a reticle with some of the action range abilities
worthy scarab
If I buy the $250 pack now does that make the $375 pack $125 or no?
ruby swift
Yes, you only pay the difference when upgrading.
worthy scarab
Awesome thank you
low path
Has anything been said on the unique items that only one player can have at a time?
ruby swift
Other than that they are present?
steady ocean
Just be aware that if you upgrade during the next cosmetic theme, you won't be able to buy previous cosmetics at the higher tiers
worthy scarab
Ahhh dang...okay I see what you mean. So both purchases have to be within the same cosmetic cycle?
ruby swift
There are unique legendaries. One of them is guaranteed to be a sandal. That is about it.
low path
like do they only drop if your corrupted?? How does a player lose it, that kinda thing
steady ocean
I see nothing on the wiki, so probably nothing available @low path
@worthy scarab If you want those cosmetics from the same theme yes
past pewter
@desert ivy do you think there is a chance of Rogues having a 100% pure invisibility if going rogue secondary as well? Perhaps the stealth can morph into true invisibility
ruby swift
Yes, it was confirmed that even unique legendaries can drop or be destroyed by corruption.
past pewter
Something to think about
worthy scarab
Got it @steady ocean thank you
steady ocean
@past pewter We will know during Alpha 2 once they secondary archetypes are released, or before then if the devs release more info
ruby swift
There is no "true invisibility". You still shimmer like predator.
past pewter
just speculation for fun
low path
But will that be the only time they drop? Since there is only one of the item, I feel like if its only on corruption random drop then it will be too hard for others to get
steady ocean
You can speculate in #aoc-discussion for more participation 🙂
crystal beacon
Is there a hard cap for max level (metroposis) nodes?
past pewter
i asked a question though
steady ocean
nodes cap out at Tier 6
ruby swift
Whoever finds a unique legendary can keep it, sell it, or lose it due to bad actions. There is one. There is no "too hard for others to get" since that is the whole point of there only being one.
crystal beacon
sorry I probably wasn't clear.
I mean is there a limit to how many metros can be in the world ?
ruby swift
5
spark lark
5
crystal beacon
yeah I read that somewhere but I started doubting myself. thank you all
ruby swift
Time for breakfast. Have fun in the info quest people.
slow sky
slips in
sick kraken
When does the first alpha start where people can stream and record it without an NDA
twin basin
"this fall"
unreal zealot
stevens started saying at the end of the year in im expecting december time if we are lucky maybe november
floral patrol
People currently in the alpha are allowed to talk about the game correct? (Looking at the wiki,) Just no streaming?
steady ocean
That's correct. No verbal NDA. That being said, if you are in a discord under NDA, that may prevent you from verbally talking about aspects of the game as well.
slow sky
The August pre-alpha testing has not started yet so it's not like we can talk about anything either, for the moment @unreal zealot
onyx knoll
Fall 2020 starts on Tuesday, September 22, 2020 (in 50 days) and ends on Monday, December 21st 2020 (in 140 days).
so anytime during that timeframe 😛
zealous atlas
Would it be possible to drop rare or legendary materials when killed as a non corrupted player
real dock
"Winter" starts December 21st where? Miami?
low path
Are the months that you get in the current packages you get, example the highest one gives 9 months subscription, does the alpha or beta count for these months?
forest pike
So there's gonna be 30 min cool down on the family summon ability and 30 second cast time?
midnight iron
Hello! Do we know if world is going to be "2D" or "3D"? What I mean is, if you sail west, are you going to reach east continent? Is world going to be a globe?
forest pike
@midnight iron they're testing the globe option
brittle ferry
@low path Beta and Alpha shouldn't be counted as sub time, sub time is after launch
twin basin
@real dock winter solstice is december 21st for the northern hemisphere
floral patrol
are all 8 main classes in the current alpha? or are they still on 4?
midnight iron
@forest pike @crystal beacon Thanks!
steady ocean
@midnight iron The devs are still testing and discussing if the world will be a globe or flat
midnight iron
@steady ocean 👌
onyx knoll
@zealous atlas I would assume so, yes
slow sky
@floral patrol they have used the number 5 lately
toxic solar
Have they hinted at the alpha phase lengths? 6 months per phase with beta overlapping phase 2 seems about right?
onyx knoll
we don't have numbers, no
steady ocean
No, they are trying to stay away from giving set timelines. It is however long the testing phases need
daring thicket
So can you actually play now, or just sign up for early access?
onyx knoll
sign up for alpha 2
brazen dagger
why is cosmetics pushed into sale before masses get let inside game though?
steady ocean
@brazen dagger Because the cosmetics are a bonus, not the focus for people that want to get in and help test the game.
daring thicket
So no pay to play yet
civic obsidian
hm i kinda want to buy the game pack but i dont like the cosmetic sets
low path
Will there be login rewards and/or daily/weekly quests?
steady ocean
There are various types of quests, daily and weekly may be included that you can do or ignore. @low path
onyx knoll
@civic obsidian cosmetics change every month so you can wait for one you like, no rush 🙂
warm rune
i dont understand why they keep change pre-order bonus.
steady ocean
@crystal beacon the website stores are costumes yes, which apply to the entire outfit
onyx knoll
@crystal beacon full outfits don't include weapons
onyx knoll
@low path no rewards just for logging in tho
final oxide
can i buy just cosmetics from the monthly preorder packs? i want the snail horse
onyx knoll
@crystal beacon Ahh, mh... 🤔 good point, i'm not sure
teal ferry
Costume cosmetic items do not include the weapons pictured.
crystal beacon
i am asking because beating people with fish is top
steady ocean
@warm rune You can choose to buy individual cosmetics at the tier of pre-order pack and lower that you buy. You don't keep buying the pack over and over
crystal beacon
man, i wnat to beat people with fish
onyx knoll
@final oxide only if you purchased a same tier pack previously, then you can buy individual cosmetics
teal ferry
@crystal beacon bottom of article
but same, I like that fucking stick
gimme the fucking stick
final oxide
oh thanks
warm rune
so i cannot take DARK ALLEGIANCES sigh..
steady ocean
@crystal beacon
steady ocean
Not after it cycles out of the store @crystal beacon
crystal beacon
weapon is gear in my book
desert ivy
The costumes don't even include the weapon
warm rune
you can looting DARK ALLEGIANCES ingame?
desert ivy
so I dont know what you're talking about
No
You wont be able to get dark alliegiances in game
There MAY be something similar to it
but not exactly like what was sold
warm rune
worst
heavy cradle
I know Steven said that MAYBE they would allow Alpha 1 purchase - is there any news as to whether this will also be available to those who wish to upgrade from Voyager Plus? Or would it require a whole other purchase.
steady ocean
It would be an upgrade.
crystal beacon
so is that weapon included now or not lol
old musk
Have they talked about loot distribution? Players getting their own loot vs guild leaders deciding who gets what?
timber blaze
is the game slated for 2021
steady ocean
@timber blaze No set date for release.
desert ivy
What are you having difficulty understanding? The weapons shown in the cosmetic pictures each month are NOT included
slow sky
current community speculation is 2022-2023
warm rune
lol...
timber blaze
if everything mentioned is put in this game is a mmo players dream
warm rune
every month pre-order keep change?
steady ocean
@desert ivy The quote from Margaret states it covers an entire gear set. Weapons are included in a gear set, so what are you basing weapons not being included on?
rain bear
Question about benefits for backing, say I back at the $375 level right now, and get the swamp stuff; is there a way, whether through spending money or whatnot, that I can get subsequent cosmetics too?
warm rune
it means 24 times change pre-order?
timber blaze
what does a founders pack get you
reef osprey
@rain bear yes, you can but all future ones piece by piece
if you want, costs between 5 (for accessoirs) and 25 for ship skins
tardy cipher
are the weapons and stuff gonna be visual in out of combat to or it is just in combat when u put out the weapons it will be shown? 😛
rain bear
thx gamers
timber blaze
what can you do in the current alpha build of the game
steady ocean
@dark jungle Can we update the Costume entry that it doesn't include weapons
final oxide
will there be any in game representation of being in alpha/beta?
warm rune
i am poor with English. but.. if i buy one 375 dollar then.. i can keep all Cosmetic those month then aug then september then oct and go on?
warm rune
or i had to buy again 375 dollar?
desert ivy
you have to pay for the future cosmetics
steady ocean
@final oxide There will be limits to how far you can advance, if that is what you mean as well as other limitations.
warm rune
if i want all Cosmetic then i had to every month 375 dollars?
steady ocean
@warm rune You pay the $375 once, then in the future you pay the individual cosmetic price for the ones you like.
dapper sleet
oh wait what
warm rune
AAAH
dapper sleet
that's cool af
warm rune
i understnd now
dapper sleet
I had no clue xD
warm rune
This is my shop for example
@desert ivy thx too much it is clear now
twin basin
$25 for armor transmog is some yikers
warm rune
why they cant bundle?
steady ocean
An entire armor set is a bundle of 14 items
opaque needle
If you are buying into A2 from the EU do you still buy from the US store? my.com sees fucked and down also the EU one has a cost difference
steady ocean
@opaque needle You can and it will transfer
desert ivy
Yes you can buy from Intrepids store
Later on when the time comes you can transfer your account to my.games
warm rune
if 375 dollar then it will calc to 318 euro?
dapper sleet
Oh shit it doesn't include VAT apparently
desert ivy
No it'd be more because we have to pay VAT in EU
spice dagger
@twin basin i'm pretty sure bdo sets cost like 40.
warm rune
omg
twin basin
bdo is also trash
steady ocean
@warm rune You can go to the "Checkout" page and get an idea of how much it will cost without actually paying
exotic berry
Why does the new snail mount have legs
spice dagger
You're playing ff14 my guy. xD
steady ocean
Please keep the channel to questions
opaque needle
@opaque needle You can and it will transfer
@steady ocean Then why is there a price difference the US one is cheaper
scarlet flower
Why cant I go back to the home page once I enter the account/profile page of ashes?
oak marsh
if you preorder with one cosmetic pack out, does that in turn mean the next pack that comes out you also get?
desert ivy
The $25 costume for example cost me £24.62 in England
steady ocean
@scarlet flower Are you trying to get back to the forums?
steady ocean
You can always bookmark https://ashesofcreation.com/ and just click that if needed. The website is under development.
scarlet flower
this is the other page when I go to it there is no link to go back to the home page?
Oh I understand
sharp hare
Lexy ypu get the one thay is that mont cosmetic, not previous not the next one, But you will be entitled to Buy next cosmetics as smaller separate part in the future
oak marsh
@sharp hare ty!
steady ocean
It means you won't have to buy the full pack at that tier next time, and can simply buy the individual cosmetics.
sharp hare
Limited to your currenlty owned pack and under that
wanton lily
Imagine thinking a full armor set for 25 is too much when other sub based games with box cost do it for way more
sharp hare
250 pack owners can buy only mounts and below that in the future 350 pnes can buy housing and everything under it separately
desert ivy
Yes, we have VAT in the EU that we have to pay by law
steady ocean
Most likely due to taxes
warm rune
SubTotalUS $375.00 €333.97
Payment System Fee €3.74
VAT 21% €70.92
analog swan
For a cosmetic XD
desert ivy
@warm rune What are you finding confusing here?
sharp hare
Yup i upgraded today from 150-250 instead of 100 paid 112e that how it goes for us :)
wanton lily
Tax is a thing?
dark jungle
@steady ocean added
digital aspen
i mean... 375 dollar will be 1.875BRL, which will be twice my monthly salary lol, so, it's a big no to me while we don't have harmonization
desert ivy
I mean you might get harmonization for the sub price, but you won't get it for the pre-order packs
digital aspen
was just an example, i know that, unfortunately
sharp hare
You can always wait for a Sub fee only, the packages are not adviced or forced so wait till its only sub fee
steady ocean
Which page did you update @dark jungle ?
sharp hare
There will be cosmetics achievable trought the gameplay aswell if i recall right so keep that in mind
crystal beacon
anyone here bought the packages? can't decide between Voyager and Expeditionary
desert ivy
I mean we can't tell you what one to buy, just go with whatever one you think has better value
steady ocean
@crystal beacon You can ask in #aoc-discussion for other's opinions on the different packs
twin basin
you should wait until the alpha 1 streams start before buying anything
warm rune
can i buy Wayfarer Pre-Order Pack then Only buy house 25 dollars?
crystal beacon
it would be great if we could buy the cosmetics iwthout the extras stuff
because some people want the skins only
fading latch
Buy a pack and u can
desert ivy
@warm rune No. You have to buy the $375 for the house
crystal beacon
can i buy skins if i buy the base pack?
fading latch
No
twin basin
yea just drop $375 so you can spend another $150
sharp hare
You need correspoding package compared to the future cosmetics you want
crystal beacon
thats my problem
fading latch
Then u get no skins
desert ivy
$75 only includes accessory
$150 includes pet and accessory
$250 includes pet, accessory, and mount
$375 includes everything
crystal beacon
yeah but the should sell them without
steady ocean
Once you unlock a pack tier, you can buy individual cosmetics at that tier or lower for all future cosmetic themes.
fading latch
Why should they?
Thats what the cash shop is for post launch
Can always wait till then
desert ivy
Steven likes the exclusivity that it brings only allowing pack holders to buy cosmetics
dark jungle
@steady ocean all of the pages with shop cosmetics
warm rune
Once you unlock a pack tier, you can buy individual cosmetics at that tier or lower for all future cosmetic themes.
@steady ocean if i buy 75 dollar for Accesory. it means.. i can buy only Accessory Costimec every month?
wanton lily
135 - 9 months sub
20 - Mount
15 - Summon
5 - Cosmetic Shoulder
25 - Freehold Skin
25 - Caravan Skin
25 - Outfit
with $125 going towards early access, name reservation and in game cosmetic currency as well. Not a bad deal
dark jungle
cobalt gate
It'd be weird though if you bought this seaside village skin pack and end up living in a lavascape or inland somewhere.
steady ocean
@warm rune You would be able to buy any individual cosmetic that you can find in the $75 pack
crystal beacon
aoc apoc was just a version to test the combat right?
warm rune
if i buy 75 dollar and it meand i cannot to buy add Only Housing cosmetic in every month?
fading latch
Yes@crystal beacon
steady ocean
@dark jungle May want to update /costumes as well. The top quote from Margaret reflects the entire gear set, which includes weapons
desert ivy
If you want housing you need to buy the $375 pack
$75 only includes accessory
$150 includes pet and accessory
$250 includes pet, accessory, and mount
$375 includes everything
sudden remnant
Just to be clear its a cosmetic pack for the house < not an actual house ingame.. ( if im correct )
desert ivy
Yes
warm rune
If you want housing you need to buy the $375 pack
@desert ivy https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/257283936756039680/739949420245811260/0571b21df687910e75538a4f13c5017a.png
desert ivy
?
warm rune
and you bought 375 dollar right?
warm rune
Ah...
steady ocean
@warm rune Those are all unlocked BECAUSE he bought the $375 pack.
cobalt gate
was that the necromancer pack?
steady ocean
If he only bought the $75 pack, he would only see the $5 accessory @warm rune and the option to upgrade to the other packs
desert ivy
^
sharp hare
Everything you will buy is just a reskin, no pet no mounts no houses, all has to be earned and crafted in the game then apply skin to it
warm rune
405 euro T_T
desert ivy
Yeah. I get 0 advantage to you in game just because I have these skins
It's all cosmetic
warm rune
but i love cosmetic..
dark jungle
@steady ocean done
real dock
And Animal Husbandry is only used when you have a freehold, right?
warm rune
i want unique housing..
desert ivy
You can earn it in game
real dock
Thanks Jahlon
wicked gorge
So if I got the previous 250 dollars bundle, can I not get this one?
steady ocean
Glad that is cleared up... Any other questions? 
warm rune
Housing = Freehold [ name like that] ?
wicked gorge
Using the embers given?
steady ocean
Embers are for post launch cosmetics @wicked gorge
crystal beacon
regarding cosmetics, so everything is a skin. Let's say you are wearing a Spear. applying the cosmetic will still be recognizable? Not sure if any1 plays runescape but cosmetics can completely over ride which is so bad imo because you can 'hide' what you are really wearing,
waxen quartz
@plucky pawn or anyone else. Do we know if the Shoreside Shack cosmetic is for a Freehold Player Stall or a Freehold Fish processing Building or a Freehold House like the :Hunter's Dwelling"?
desert ivy
@crystal beacon Yes, you can hide waht you're wearing
warm rune
this is clear..
desert ivy
You won't be able to apply a sword skin to a bow for example
crystal beacon
@crystal beacon the weapons in the full body cosmetics are not included
@simple ether not sure what u meant
sharp hare
There will be indicator icon on each player which will give you a picture of what person is wearing, tier lvl etc in colours and marks
steady ocean
@crystal beacon weapons are their own cosmetics, not apart of a costume (which affects all of your gear except the weapons)
sudden remnant
Does that still work if you buy "Wayfarer Pre-Order Pack" that you can add a mount for example?
steady ocean
mount skins ^
desert ivy
So the regular "Voyager" pack
warm rune
still think about 405 euro sigh
oak depot
@simple ether do you happen to have a source interview/clip regarding Corruption dampening not applying to BH? I read your write up but don’t recall any Dev statement to that affect so trying to find it. Wiki likewise doesn’t mention it.
desert ivy
$75 (Wayfarer) only includes accessory
$150 (Expeditionary) includes pet and accessory
$250 (Voyager) includes pet, accessory, and mount
$375 (Voyager plus) includes everything
sharp hare
What i found most reasonable was to upgrade my package step by step, its easier on my budged :)
vale pilot
So with these cosmetics is it just for testing sake they are being released?
oak depot
@oak depot its from Steven on this discord
@simple ether thanks. Will have to track it down later.
tawny bluff
have the QA test emails gone out yet for leader kickstarter holders
desert ivy
Of course you'll get these cosmetics if you buy them
stable plover
@tawny bluff The NDA emails have gone out to LoM, if you haven't gotten that email you'll need to contact CS
tawny bluff
Thanks I did a couple days ago just in case, recently upgraded it so I thought there might be some conflic there
wicked gorge
So how much will the next cosmetics be if you all ready purchased the 250 bundle
fading latch
$5-$25
wanton cosmos
Can anyone confirm my question of mount skins only applying to their skin type? Like, the snail mount skin looks like it would only apply to horse mounts, since I can't really imagine that thing swimming or flying
sharp hare
They go by tiers
sudden knot
question are they ever plaining to bring back old cosmetics or make new similar cosmetics i really liked the necromancer costume but i didn't know about the game at that time
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stable plover
@wicked gorge They'll be useable when Intrepid adds them, some cosmetics from earlier packages are in, some aren't, fairly random which ones
grave pecan
Hey I’m new to the Ashes of Creation community but I wanted to ask a question. Is AoC casual friendly or does this game focuses more on the hardcore players?
steady ocean
@sudden knot Steven has talked about the possibility of reskins, although as far as which cosmetics may be chosen for that is unknown.
past pewter
@grave pecan it's going to have content for both types of players but we won't know for sure until release
sudden knot
ok thanks everyone!!
stable plover
@grave pecan Can I go with neither? There's a lot of stuff casual people can do and a lot of stuff that only hardcore people will be able to do.
near ermine
Do they release new packages every month or weekly?>
steady ocean
Monthly is the normal cycle
near ermine
Ok thanks
grave pecan
Ok thanks for your guys help.
tawny bluff
Oddball question but where could I find my kickstarter backer number. Filling out the nda
stoic charm
Does anyone have any details on what these actually look like in game? How am i supposed to buy something i can only see concept art for?
sharp hare
Rouge if you havent watched there is a video which includes lots of good info for a newcomer, if this is considered advertising delete my comment : lazypeons ashes of creation vid on yt
fading latch
@stoic charm we dont know how they will look till they are made
desert ivy
stoic charm
Huh. Okay i will wait till actual assets exist then 🙂 thanks all!
wicked gorge
Why would you seek timed cosmetics 2 years before a games released and never be able to get them again. that's a little strange or just me? Lol
Sell*
steady ocean
@tawny bluff You can try checking your email if you were sent a confirmation code?
tawny bluff
From like the kickstarter days right
desert ivy
Why not? Allows people to get nice looking cosmetics and also helps get Intrepid a bit of extra cash.
steady ocean
@wicked gorge The pre-order packs are not about the cosmetics mainly. Those are just a bonus.
desert ivy
If people don't want to buy them, they don't have to
steady ocean
@tawny bluff I'd imagine. You could also check your kickstarter account to see if instructions were sent there.
storm raptor
@tawny bluff im so envy of you lol
steady ocean
If you are unable to locate anything, then you can try submitting a ticket by typing !cs
sharp hare
Its for individuality sense of a player, when you ride back home on your donkey and you see a knight riding a glowing snail, which you cant find anywhere anymore that feeling is something alot of players want from the games, same with the true mastery in crafting, individuality
wicked gorge
The thing is people that play games like this like to collect everything. They want to have everything they could be 1000 dollars spent before even playing the game lol
bright bay
That's the point of cosmetics
past pewter
twerk
wicked gorge
Sounds like fyre festival 2.0 but I'm still investing cus I believe in steve. prays
steady ocean
@wicked gorge Some people will just need to realize they cannot own everything in a game, but this may be better suited for #aoc-discussion
jolly nacelle
I remember hearing something like " you have the chance to not be"warrior #2658" and be an individual.
sharp hare
Thats one thing Steven has said, in current MMOs everyone is a winner, everyone gets a partisipation award and everything is obtainable. He does not like that :)
wicked gorge
I'll get a loan it's cool Haha
sharp hare
Same thing goes with a node system, there is a chance that spesific guild will unlock and deafeat spesific boss due to special circumstances, make a video of it and it will never be seen again if those pre req for wont be obtained
tawny bluff
Anyone know where I can find my kickstarter backer number?
jolly nacelle
Email?
steady ocean
Did you try the steps I recommended? @tawny bluff
stiff vessel
Just don't be disappointed if certain bosses are reskins, because I doubt they could produce that many varied bosses @sharp hare
echo comet
Hey can anyone clear something up for me? I did the $25 kickstarter a couple years ago while a student and then 2 weeks ago upgraded it to Braver of Worlds because alpha 1 and lifetime sub, then I saw somewhere Steve said he had already put a cap on how many will get invited to alpha, was that for current testers or am i boned until alpha 2?
sharp hare
I dont mind, i love the game even if it achieves only half what it has promised :D
steady ocean
You can get access @echo comet Put in a customer support ticket to get the access for when they include LoM
desert ivy
@echo comet You'll still get an invite to alpha 1
tawny bluff
@steady ocean So the instructions are sent through email and im just looking for a number tied to my account. Thought it was tied to the email back in 2017 from kickstarter
sharp hare
They have reached spesific goal of players they want for A1, not 100% sure, assuming
finite mesa
Leader of men get access this month from what they said
desert ivy
They reached 10k alpha 1 testers in 2018 so that's when they took the Alpha 1 pack off the store. When the current A1 pack holders are in and if everything seems fine and stable, then they may put the pack up for sale again.
steady ocean
@tawny bluff If you can't find the email you need try putting in a ticket to see if they can send another email. Alternatively, you can try posting here on the official forums https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/categories/support-faq
finite mesa
as for us BRAVER of MEN backers Im guessing we'll get an invite no latter than NOVEMER
wicked gorge
How much was the alpha 1 pack
desert ivy
$500
on the Intrepid store
you could get it for $350 I think on Kickstarter in 2017
But if they put it back up in the future it will be for $500
finite mesa
started at $400 for early birds than went up to $500
wicked gorge
Wow they made 5m from alpha 1 sales
stuck nacelle
Just making sure: someone who hadn't backed on kickstarter can no longer back on kickstarter, correct?
desert ivy
Correct
steady ocean
correct, the campaigns closed over 2 years ago
stuck nacelle
Pity I only found out about the game 1 week ago :/
teal ferry
@stuck nacelle support then on their shop if you want
stuck nacelle
would have been in it for the lifetime sub
teal ferry
wow how much was that? which tier?
desert ivy
$500
stuck nacelle
braver of worlds
teal ferry
goddamit
teal ferry
I would too. one time that I wouldnt worry about paying a sub for a MMO and then not playing that month because of real life stuff
steady ocean
Remember discussion should be directed to #aoc-discussion
stuck nacelle
Ah, my bad :/
teal ferry
warm rune
but.. sorry question.. is https://aocreation.com/en#home real?
dark jungle
yes its my.games site for ashes
crystal beacon
Sadly
steady ocean
That is for EU accounts. You can also purchase through the intrepid store if that gives you issues. @warm rune
rich kraken
it's not cheaper but converted to euro's instead of dollars
actually, if you look at the conversion now, intrepid is cheaper
crystal beacon
You have to include taxes.
storm raptor
how many leaders packages were available??