dying seems high impact on removing corrpution tho
#questions
sly monolith
ancient charm
@slate fox I think your misunderstanding the issue
sly monolith
@sharp garnet good point
tulip hatch
You're all having a lovely discussion
This is the wrong channel for that
onyx knoll
@sly monolith it is, but it comes with a negative xp. So while you'd drop your corruption faster then if you were just grinding mobs, you'd have to grind three times as many mobs to regain your xp after
tulip hatch
Take it to general or ashes discussion
ancient charm
The issue is NO ONE is gonna wanna be a corrupted player if your basically killing your own progression entirely
reef osprey
@sharp garnet lul got you again
@sly monolith
@ancient charm
let's discuss this in aoc discussion, no point doing it here 🙂
sly monolith
which makes the bounty system useless
slate fox
surreal elk
Please respect the mods, take your discussion to AOC-discussion. Leave this channel for Questions
eternal glade
@tulip hatch mentioned that your mount can be killed, so when that happens do you lay down and cry or si it not so hard to get another one
tulip hatch
it respawns its not perma death
lusty haven
Porbs just a cooldown
onyx knoll
@eternal glade you can resurect mounts after a certain time, or faster with the use of some potions
bleak zephyr
@eternal glade You can ressurect your mount ,but there is a cooldown involved.
eternal glade
Ok thank you
meager cave
Do we know whether the holy trinity is needed for instanced content? Eg - with a load of dps players with secondary healing - can the 'healer' be removed? Likewise for a tank.
bleak zephyr
@meager cave I think its waaay too early to say anything about that .
meager cave
@bleak zephyr Thought that might be the answer.
onyx knoll
@meager cave The content is balanced around a team of 8 having one of each archetype, so maybe once you're overgeared but initially I doubt it
short coral
I seen something mentioned on the holy trinity being needed, can't remember where
raven grotto
Has there been any comments regarding ... the need/ability to ... get back to a safe area? like if someone needs to log out because of something IRL.. sure they can log out where ever.. but if they are in one of these open world dungeons when they log back in they will be without their party and basically screwed right?
thinking hearthstone type item
cause they said no fast travel
onyx knoll
At the moment I don't think there has been any mention of a hearthstone-type item
bleak zephyr
@onyx knoll Well all we know is that there wont be any.
onyx knoll
A hearthstone is basically a fast travel item so I doubt they'll add one
stone mural
I wonder where you res up if you die like that
onyx knoll
You'll need to plan your activities and hope you don't have too many emergencies that pop up and make you end up in awkward situations I guess
reef osprey
@raven grotto walk out of the dungeon, then log out?
onyx knoll
if you die you res at a nearby resurection point
stone mural
they havent mentioned losing items due to pve death I don't think
shell wing
Hey guys , will be any way to hide your corruption from other players and bounty hunters?
onyx knoll
Most dungeons are not instanced @reef osprey
raven grotto
yeah and the size of dungeons.. you could spend hour plus getting lost and then
onyx knoll
@stone mural correct, you only lose XP and materials/processed goods when you die, unless you are heavily corrupted
reef osprey
@shell wing very unlikely to certain no
wild marsh
80 % non instanced, and 20 instanced I believe was the numbers.
low path
^
reef osprey
@raven grotto you have a map mate, just follow the map back out, you are trying to invent issues to support your point for a hearthstone
onyx knoll
@shell wing I very much doubt it, the corruption system is meant as punishment and not as something you can hide around
desert geyser
Hello,
raven grotto
maybe not a hearthstone per say but a way to get out of a dungeon
so you spawn on the outside
low path
@stone mural You dont actually lose xp on death, you go into xp debt, so your level itself wont actually drop, but you will need to make up that xp dept before you can see your actual level increase
desert geyser
does someone know by any chance if we will be able to play on EU servers if we buy packages on the US Website or do we have to wait with preordering? Thank a bunch for the info!
onyx knoll
Unlikely, again, dungeons are (mostly) not instanced, they're basically just an extra area that pops up when a node reaches a certain level
so that would be like being anywhere and saying; can I TP out of this general zone?
raven grotto
makes sense
tulip hatch
@desert geyser you'll be able to transfer your packs to eu when that option becomes available
desert geyser
thank you!
supple yarrow
do you get corrupted from killing just one person?
scarlet flower
yes, if the person has not flagged you back
sharp garnet
@reef osprey curse you and your damned existence QQ
shell wing
So basically corruption flags you as a PK
reef osprey
nothing makes me happier than randoms pinging you Wrath
supple yarrow
yes, if the person has not flagged you back
@scarlet flower what do u mean by nto flagged you back?
sharp garnet
and i thought it was over a year ago
twin basin
im very sad nobody answered my ship mountaineer question
crisp holly
supple yarrow
so you mean if he doesn't attack back?
shell wing
You kill an afk guy , you become corrupted lol
onyx knoll
@supple yarrow By default you are non-combatant, aka unflagged (green). If you want to engage in pvp against other green or combatant (aka flagged, purple), you have to toggle pvp on (aka flag) and become purple. So if you attack a green, and they stay green and don't go purple then you become red (corrupted) just from 1 kill, yes
@shell wing if he's non-combatant yes
supple yarrow
ok i understand now
twin basin
the combatant status is pretty self explanatory
onyx knoll
@twin basin What was your question? I don't think I was looking when you asked
twin basin
can you build ships anywhere or just in harbors
onyx knoll
as in, deploy them anywhere?
twin basin
that too
onyx knoll
you can only deploy a ship from a harbor or a coast, you can't deploy them in the middle of nowhere, nor can you deploy them if you're swimming int he ocean
twin basin
so they arent persistent until you summon them?
midnight iron
When a player dies, due to pvp, some portion of raw materials is dropped. Does that also apply to pve deaths?
onyx knoll
I'm not sure if they stay forever once you spawn them, we haven't gotten a lot of info on how ships will work
twin basin
ah
onyx knoll
@midnight iron yes
twin basin
i did see ships arent even gonna be in alpha 1 so guess ill just wait
craggy harness
How does the vassal system work on nodes with multiple nodes effecting 1? E.g Node A B C (connected horizontally in that order) Node A and C are Tier 4, which node gains B as a vassal?
twin basin
i want to coast on a viking ship upriver to my frozen wasteland house
supple yarrow
i have one more question about pvp
so you can go around attacking literally everyone and if they fight back you can kill them without repercussions?
twin basin
you can do that even if they dont fight back
but you get corrupted and it gets harder to fight people
and you lose more stuff
supple yarrow
yeah i understand that
twin basin
oh
supple yarrow
that's why you only kill the people that fight back
onyx knoll
Yes if you kill purple players (aka combatant) there are no repercussions
the game encourages concentual pvp
supple yarrow
cool 🙂
onyx knoll
@twin basin No, what matters is the status of the player when they die
supple yarrow
if people are smart they won't fight back tho (if they don't want to pvp that is)
twin basin
even for the dankest corrupt people?
onyx knoll
If you engage and they're green, but then they turn on pvp and go purple and then die, you don't go red
sonic echo
Wasn't there a pvp chart they gave us?
onyx knoll
yeah
twin basin
yes
onyx knoll
sonic echo
Eyyy
onyx knoll
@twin basin if you're corrupted and you kill someone you stay red, but your corruption only INCREASES if you kill greens
twin basin
ah i thought it kept going up no matter who it was
onyx knoll
no
twin basin
also non combatants get to attack corrupted without turning into combatants
onyx knoll
it's a system that punishes you for fighting against people that don't want to pvp
sonic echo
This is the kind of pvp i wish new world had
onyx knoll
correct, tho that might change
viscid acorn
it's a system that punished you fighting against people that don't want to pvp
@onyx knoll its more against griefing and camping ppl who dont want to pvp
bright pelican
I saw an AMA where steven said he wanted players to create their characters before the servers actually go live. Will there by a training ground to test different skills and flow/cancels during that character creation time. Just wondering because i wanted to see how different variants affected skills such as how far a rogue/mage differs from a mage/rogue
supple yarrow
yeah beta
onyx knoll
@viscid acorn sure, that's basically what i meant lol
twin basin
thats more what the beta is for
craggy harness
How does the vassal system work on nodes with multiple nodes effecting 1? E.g Node A B C (connected horizontally in that order) Node A and C are Tier 4, which node gains B as a vassal?
@craggy harness anyone know the answer to this ^ nothing on the wiki
onyx knoll
@bright pelican So far we only know of a character creator being released early, nothing about an actual tutorial area for testing combat. Maybe?
sonic echo
I'd assume the testing area is gonna be the beta
bright pelican
ahh gotcha thank you
twin basin
or if they do that battle royale again
onyx knoll
You'll be able to see how every skill is affected by secondary augments once we get into alpha 2 @bright pelican
@craggy harness I believe it'll depend on which one got to rank 4 first but i'm not 100% sure
supple yarrow
assuming plenty of people will attack others but probably won't kill them if they don't fight back. Do you think those players will let themselfs die intentionally to monsters so the attacking player becomes corrupted
and then they can hunt them down
onyx knoll
@supple yarrow I doubt it considering how punishing death is even if you die to a monster. Also, currently if you attack a player and they die from a monster it doesn't count as you killing them, so you wouldn't get corrupted, but that might change, they're gona be testing it both ways in alpha
twin basin
yea you lose exp when you die dont you?
onyx knoll
@twin basin Kinda, you gain negative xp basically, which you have to grind back before you can actually start getting xp again
You technically never lose xp so you can't lose a level, but if you gain enough negative xp it'll impact your stats
twin basin
lol i was just thinking about how losing exp at max level would work
onyx knoll
but you'll never like, not be able to equip your lvl 50 weapon because you lost too much xp
supple yarrow
it's also interesting that combatant's who die suffer less penalties than a non-combatant who dies
onyx knoll
that's to encourage consentual pvp,
winter field
does anyone know when the new cosmetics pack comes out
onyx knoll
on the 5th
winter field
cool thanks
supple yarrow
yea i think this system is great now i understand it better
big props to whoever came up with it
eternal palm
Can a guild control multiple of the 5 castles?
onyx knoll
no
only a guild leader can control a castle
and you can only have 1 guild leader per guild 😛
winter field
alliances can control other castles
onyx knoll
You could technically have an alliance control up to 4 of the 5 castles, yes
twin basin
yep all it takes is one streamer to have all his peons under him get the others
winter field
it will be close to impossible to control all 5
supple yarrow
u think so?
onyx knoll
it's literally impossible
winter field
yes
supple yarrow
lol
twin basin
just have the 5th be off the record
onyx knoll
sure, you could do that
supple yarrow
yea
eternal palm
You can have more the one alliance just not in game
So a single guild is hard limited to 1?
onyx knoll
correct
twin basin
actually have they talked about mounted combat?
i remember steven mentioning siege dragons having skills
onyx knoll
Mounted combat is limited to the Royal mount (tier 3 flying mounts), and they'll have their own pvp skills
The Royal mounts are EXTREMELY rare
there will be between 10-20 on a server max at a given time
primal solstice
There will be option to power level?
winter field
if its anything like L2 siegeing system the castles will have a particular day that castles get sieged on so your alliance would have to not only have to cast on all 5 castles to get them but then defend all the castles all over the map
onyx knoll
@primal solstice I'm sure eventually people will figure out the most efficient way to level. If you mean a way to buy an item that instantly lvl you to max, then no
eternal palm
5 x Guild Castles
5 x Metropolis Mayors (at most)
0-5 x Rare drops of eggs from rare legendary world bosses
is the flying mount break down
worn wagon
Certain mounts will have combat abilities.
Players can't use their class skills while mounted.
Mounts can be killed by players, but can be resurrected after a certain cooldown period.
Potions can be used to reduce the cooldown
@twin basin
twin basin
arent the mayor mounts the ones that just float down?
primal solstice
@primal solstice I'm sure eventually people will figure out the most efficient way to level. If you mean a way to buy an item that instantly lvl you to max, then no
@onyx knoll not that way actualy , for example lvl 20 in party with lvl 2
onyx knoll
The Metropolis mayors get full fledge flying mounts
eternal palm
Metropolis mayor mounts are royal mounts
twin basin
ah
onyx knoll
gliding mounts are tier 2 and anyone can have them
twin basin
oh cool
onyx knoll
@primal solstice Ah I see what you mean, I don't think we know yet if there will be xp drop if you have a high level player in your group
winter field
there will probably be a cap in level to determine exp in a party EX: a lvl 40 in a party with 50s will get exp but not a lvl 35 in a party of 50s
onyx knoll
That's what was just asked lol
twin basin
do any new mmos even have that style of power leveling anymore?
primal solstice
Yes the question is how much lvl diffrence benefits both sides
eternal palm
I'd imagine that will just get averaged out. Either he will being up the average level of the party and the lower levels wont get as much XP, or he will be getting 0 XP but dividing the XP between 3 instead of 2.
primal solstice
do any new mmos even have that style of power leveling anymore?
@twin basin actualy dont realy know but if some1 familiar with flyff power level system thats the kind i mean
twin basin
oh god flyff
primal solstice
So old
twin basin
but really i think that method of levelling is seen as a negative thing these days
true power levelling at least
primal solstice
Yeah i kinda can see the negatives , but that fun asf😂
ruby swift
It is sure to be looked at and the loopholes closed. Otherwise you will have spam and RMT of level 50s asking for payment to power level new characters.
twin basin
well with the tagline of this game being "no p2w" i cant see them letting that slip by
onyx knoll
Unknown meant RMT as in real money trading, not in game gold
primal solstice
Oooh k
onyx knoll
Being able to power level someone is a way real money traders make money
ruby swift
Selling runs for real money and such. Look at the WoW "buy an ethot to game with for $1 an hour!" websites for examples.
primal solstice
Thats kinda good point need to ask that in next q&a
empty dragon
Is it true that you can only master one lifeskll?
twin basin
yes
onyx knoll
@empty dragon No, you can only master one branch, aka either gathering, processing or crafting, Within that branch you can master multiple paths
empty dragon
that is hard, so that means you have to choose a lifeskill. It is a must
OOOOHHH I see, thanks mate
onyx knoll
It's unclear if you'll be able to master all in a branch, or some, but at least more then 1
onyx knoll
yeah it's a bit of a confusing topic, but Steven has said recently that it'll be more then 1 in a branch
stray hawk
hello new here and probably a question asked a lot but i can't really find an answer, when is the next playable cycle for this game?
eternal palm
Alpha 1 is late fall this year, if you were a kickstarter backer
onyx knoll
@stray hawk Alpha 1 is starting in fall but you cannot buy into it anymore. You can buy into alpha 2 which will happen after alpha 1 but we don't have a date
eternal palm
You can buy Alpha 2 access, which has no announced dates
empty dragon
so the only game to wait for in this year would be Cyberpunk 2077
eternal palm
But no NDA so you can watch Alpha 1 footage
stray hawk
so no point to preorder until after alpha 1 for access?
twin basin
assuming they dont get rid of alpha 2 before 1 goes live
eternal palm
i think the packs change
empty dragon
Can you wield the weapon of your second class?
onyx knoll
@stray hawk The only reason would be if you really like one of the monthly cosmetic
stray hawk
alright thanks
eternal palm
Yea also A2 may stop being sold
brittle ferry
They could suspend sales @stray hawk
onyx knoll
@empty dragon weapons are not archetype-locked, every class can use every weapon
eternal palm
just like A1 was
ruby swift
Unless you see some cosmetics you like, then no. They change monthly. They may also open up A1 access for purchase depending on testing needs in the future, so keep an eye out.
empty dragon
okay.....
onyx knoll
they'll give us a warning and a head start when they close down A2 slaes
empty dragon
a tank wielding a bow? xD
onyx knoll
you could
eternal palm
There is a minimum range on bows I believe
onyx knoll
you might not have a lot of skills that really make use of the bow but you could have the base weapon skills
empty dragon
but you wouldn't have the skills for it
eternal palm
but yea you could ranged tank things with ranged attacks
onyx knoll
Weapons will have their own skills, so while you might not have an archetype skill, you could still have some
rich lily
does anyone know how long the testing phases will be? (A1, A2, Beta...)
onyx knoll
We don't know
empty dragon
wait weapons have skills too?
onyx knoll
yes
empty dragon
That will be alot of skills
twin basin
even the skills have skills down here
onyx knoll
they're expecting players to have around 20-30 skills
tepid finch
Is there going to be a lot of lore in this game I hope.
empty dragon
OMG
twin basin
only like 10 slots on the hotbar though 👀
onyx knoll
There will be a lot of lore, but they don't want to release a lot of it before launch, they want players to discover it in game as they go @tepid finch
empty dragon
I think 10 would be enough for me on one bar
tepid finch
Nice
onyx knoll
@twin basin the UI is far from finished 😛
empty dragon
Can NPCs be killed?
twin basin
i got 12 buttons on my mouse and ill be damned if the game doesnt use all of them
eternal palm
The example he gave was you can increase your skills with daggers to have a chance to apply a bleed, then maybe one of your rogue abilities does increased damage or higher crit chance if a target is bleeding
onyx knoll
Yeah, some weapons will synergize better with some classes, but you can play around with what ever you want
@empty dragon Unclear if ALL of them can, but pretty sure some can like guards
empty dragon
I was thinking of Siege Battles, you should be fighting against players and npcs right?
onyx knoll
In Sieges all the NPCs will be killable yes
onyx knoll
idk if they'll drop anything tho lol
empty dragon
ha?
onyx knoll
if you succeed your siege there will be plenty of loot to be had however 😛
empty dragon
Kill a merchant, get nothing?
empty dragon
yes
onyx knoll
Not sure, since Sieges will be instanced I wouldn't be surprised if any non-combat NPC go away for the duration but I haven't seen anything that specifies
empty dragon
I don't know if I will remember all the information about Ashes of Creation when the game comes next year
onyx knoll
The loot you get from breaking a node is from players tho from what I understand. Basically:
@empty dragon Ah, looks like you might not be able to kill NPCs outside of sieges
twin basin
thats probably good
empty dragon
wait then where will the NPCs go?
shy torrent
Spanish translation?
onyx knoll
@shy torrent eventually maybe. Not yet confirmed
@empty dragon idk, they'll probably be where they usually would be and you can blow them up as you run past? XD we don't have footage of a full on siege yet so idk for sure
twin basin
im expecting sieges to work like they do in shadow of war
eternal glade
Someone asked this question already but I don't believe we got an answer, does anyone know if corpses will leave a skeleton, so it makes battlefield more epic and adds a sign of danger to a certain place
twin basin
gotta give the necromancer skeletons somehow
eternal glade
im talking like player skeletons
twin basin
same
onyx knoll
@eternal glade at the moment they don't from what we've seen but maybe they'll add it later
low path
What happens if a corrupted player participates in like a castle siege? Do their damage debuffs still apply? I would think not right...?
eternal glade
I think they would be instantly dead
low path
???
scarlet flower
Yes, corrupted players are prime targets for anyone
they will not be walking around freely
low path
Thats not the question though
onyx knoll
@low path Sieges and caravans work outside of the corruption system
Everyone is considered purple in a siege or a caravan
scarlet flower
Corrupted player is Red
low path
Ya I heard that one cant gain corruption, wanted to make sure that the debuffs also didnt apply
onyx knoll
As far as I understand it, you would temporarly lose your corrupted status and become purple for the duration of the siege
(If they allow you to, they might decide you flat out can't participate if you're corrupted but I haven't read anything about it)
low path
I dont see why they would change your color
old ermine
In the limited footage I've seen of the castle/node sieges, the players had a different point of view and action bars. Are these going to be a special type of instanced/event thing? Seems like it would be a smart way to keep it so that lower end rigs don't just burst into flames
onyx knoll
@old ermine You probably saw footage from Apocalypse
scarlet flower
I dont think letting corrupted players using a Siege as a coverup without any consequence is a good idea
old ermine
Probably
arctic sky
All UI is under construction@old ermine
low path
Why not? @scarlet flower
onyx knoll
APOC was just a different mini-game they made to test stuff, it isn't representative of what the MMO will look like
arctic sky
@old ermine as well as optimization
old ermine
I understand that. I'm just curious about how the castle sieges and node sieges will play. Very curious about how things are going to look!
Can't wait to see more
onyx knoll
@old ermine But yes, sieges will be instanced
scarlet flower
well they could theoretically circumvent the negative effects of corruption, which would defeat the purpose of corruption imo
old ermine
It was mentioned that corrupted players would be attacked by guard NPCs on sight. It makes sense that corrupted players would not be allowed access to certain things, like node services (and sieges by that extension)
reef osprey
Either disabling the corruption interaction until the end of the siege or not participating at all makes most sense.
vivid saddle
Is recoloring gear (ESO style) or unlockable transmogrification (WoW style) going to be a thing? Say that I really love a certain robe design for my mage but it comes in a green color, will I be able to make that purple? If so, how much customization will there be? Could I have deep purple as the base color and a lighter purple as the secondary color and a blue as the trim?
scarlet flower
well they might find a way to "clear" the corruption while the siege lasts?
onyx knoll
@vivid saddle there will be transmog, we haven't heard anything about dyes tho
vivid saddle
hmk, I hope they really flesh that out, transmog is true endgame for a lot of people
old ermine
Dyes are nice, it could be something that scribes make potentially?
onyx knoll
@scarlet flower No, the siege system is outside of the normal open-world pvp. If they allow corrupted to participate, their participation would not change their status once they exit the siege, they would still be just as corrupted
scarlet flower
I guess that sounds okay to me
reef osprey
Pausing your corrupted status during a siege would just make you a prime target once its all over. Which isn't good for the corrupted player.
Not allowing them to participate would be the other alternative.
onyx knoll
But again, we don't know for sure if corrupted will even be able to participate
old ermine
The wiki doesn't say that scribes would be involved with dying, I guess that's more of a thing for a profession that actually makes the gear. Still think it would be a cool idea
reef osprey
Considering you know 2-5 days in advance, that there will be a siege, getting corrupted right before it would be your own fault
old ermine
lol true
surreal merlin
The cosmetic items from the pre order Shops. Will you be able to buy them later too, or can you only get them like right now?
old ermine
actual consequences for being a doofus
onyx knoll
@surreal merlin You will not, they are exclusive and will not be coming back
versed delta
Do we know what areas of the map will be avaible for Alpha 2
wild marsh
@surreal merlin They're exclusives. There might be similar ones, but never going to be the exact same.
surreal merlin
Alright thank you guys :)
onyx knoll
@versed delta Alpha 2 will eventually have the whole map. They'll be adding new zones as they need to test stuff
A2 will basically become the PTR, and will never stop operating so it'll eventually have everything the final version will have
vivid saddle
Have they stated what size they plan on the map being?
onyx knoll
480 km^2 + 100 km^2 in the underrealm
reef osprey
I don't think there is much region specific stuff you can test @versed delta
it's mostly testing systems, no?
ruby swift
@reef osprey There will be different systems being focused on in different phases of testing.
vivid saddle
that about the size of Chicago, so not bad
old ermine
I've seen those numbers for the size of the world before, but tbh it doesn't give me much idea of the size. How long would it take to run across a single node?
Like just straight player speed, walking across it
ruby swift
Single? It takes around 10 minutes on foot.
reef osprey
@ruby swift yeah sure, i get that.
but you can't test all the content of every single node.
You test some of them and assume it's working the same for all the others
old ermine
So running across an entire continent would take well over an hour or two
just spitballing it
I like that
reef osprey
prolly more than an hour
snow storm
as a mayor of an economic node, is there a way to recoup the gold you spent to become mayor?
twin basin
steal tax money
old ermine
Yeah probably more, since paths wouldn't be a straight shot either
onyx knoll
@twin basin @snow storm You cannot steal tax money as a mayor of a node
snow storm
i was under the impression that tax is locked into the node
ruby swift
There have been various times thrown around by the devs that range from 6-10 hours. From one corner to the other. Doubt anyone has done it yet.
wild marsh
21kmx21 is the map of Life is Feudal MMO, and it takes about 5 hours to walk from one side to the other. That's on horse, and I know the mechanics aren't going to be the same, but hopefully that puts it into perspective.
old ermine
If they give me an alpha key i'll run across it for them lol
onyx knoll
@snow storm Not really, from how I understand it it's a gold/material sink
twin basin
take bribes as mayor to do what people want
primal solstice
@old ermine 😂
vivid saddle
Have they said anything about terrain traversal? Like if there is a cliff will there be a way of climbing it or jumping up ledges to the top? Or will we need to run all the way around it?
reef osprey
@snow storm @onyx knoll tax is used for the node, managed by the mayor
ruby swift
Node mayors cannot raid the treasury. Node assets can only be spent on node projects. Castle KIngs/Queens however can take a percentage of gold generated while they control the castle.
@vivid saddle There will be impassable terrain that causes pathing.
onyx knoll
@vivid saddle in general you'll have to walk around it, with some exceptions
teal ferry
So running across an entire continent would take well over an hour or two
@old ermine Steven said that running accross the world form one corner to the other will take multiple multiple hours. It was in the interview with Asmongold
primal solstice
Have they said anything about terrain traversal? Like if there is a cliff will there be a way of climbing it or jumping up ledges to the top? Or will we need to run all the way around it?
@vivid saddle like what pantheon rise of the fallen try to do?
snow storm
Kings/Queens actually get gold they can keep?
molten abyss
Will fly mounts be farming able for everyone or only for guild master sorry for dumb question 😂
reef osprey
@ruby swift probably depends on the terrain you are trying to traverse
480m2 is the landmass, right?
I assume the water isn't part of that?
onyx knoll
@snow storm yes
old ermine
@teal ferry thank you!
ruby swift
@snow storm Yep, was changed last year.
reef osprey
@snow storm its the guild leaders of your guild. If you don't trust them with the gold, then you shouldn't be in that guild
ruby swift
@reef osprey Water is part
snow storm
interesting, ok thanks!
twin basin
@molten abyss there will be specific world boss drops that let you get a limited time flying mount but very few people will be able to get it
onyx knoll
@molten abyss If you are incredibly lucky you might get one to drop from a legendary world boss, otherwise only Castle monarch and Metropolis mayors will get them
vivid saddle
Awesome, looks like they are at least looking into it. @primal solstice I am unfamiliar sorry
primal solstice
Awesome, looks like they are at least looking into it. @primal solstice I am unfamiliar sorry
@vivid saddle all good
vivid saddle
Do we know if there will be terraforming? If so will it be on an individual level (I can grab a shovel and make a hole) or community based (we can pool resources and mine out a quarry)?
reef osprey
@vivid saddle no real terra forming, this isn't everquest next
onyx knoll
I don't think they mentioned any sort of terraforming
vivid saddle
ah okay, dang I think at least doing a community wide thing would be fun, dig down deep and accidentally uncover a lost city or dungeon
or create an entirely new resource pocket
onyx knoll
As nodes evolve from community effort they will change the terrain and uncover new areas
so, kinda ^^
vivid saddle
that seems more automatic as opposed to player choice driven
but I do see your point
onyx knoll
well you chose to level this node
but yeah it's not like you can pick a spot and make that specific spot a mine
snow storm
is it possible to have 2 or 3 metropolises under a single castle?
quaint lagoon
Is this game every going to be released? New world looks great btw ❤️
vivid saddle
It would be amazing if someone with high enough gathering could prospect an area, find there is large amounts of resource underground, and then as a community people pool resources to quarry it out
twin basin
i want to dig up a balrog
vivid saddle
^
quaint lagoon
so i guess u didnt play the test huh
primal solstice
New World will be trash XD
@gloomy mantle think too.
twin basin
new world caving to pve players was their downfall
old ermine
So I understand that there are 3 artisan paths (gathering, processing, crafting), and we can choose one of these to work towards mastery. I looked through the wiki and couldn't come to a conclusion: when we "master" an artisan path, does that mean we only master one of the professions within that path, or are we able to get to end-tier with multiple professions in that artisan path?
Like am I able to be a master fisher, herbalist, and miner all at once, or would I have to choose one of those to focus on? Additionally, would I be able to be a master Blacksmith, Siege Weapon crafter, and Alchemist at the same time? Or are the artisan crafting professions going to be more limited?
molten abyss
New world What is that??
old ermine
New World is Amazon's upcoming MMO
primal solstice
Some buggy gane that delayed 2 times😂
quaint lagoon
A fun game tbh i tried the test, i was impressed
oh i know u aint talking about delayed games 👀
arctic sky
New world.. Ashes lite
wild marsh
Let's move non question discussions to #general-discussion
civic basin
@old ermine You will be able to master ALL professions under that Artisan path
old ermine
@civic basin That seems like it would be a bit skewed towards crafters then. Since typically crafting is where the money is at, and it's the most "prestigious". Not sure how I feel about that
vivid saddle
Have they said, besides fast travel, what the benefits to being in a family is?
old ermine
Friendship
twin basin
romance
vivid saddle
i hope you dont romance your family lol
quaint lagoon
Lets not xyphien 🙂
wild marsh
@vivid saddle If it's like marriage it will add some minor quests, and other things of that nature on top of RP
old ermine
Tax purposes (/s)
twin basin
gotta keep it in the family 👍
vivid saddle
Man, this game seems like there is so much RP potential, I can't wait
old ermine
Step brother...
twin basin
ERP potential through the roof
vivid saddle
UwU lol
twin basin
"i dont know what happened i just blinked in"
old ermine
lmao let's stop that train of thought there
arctic sky
Trolling your friends
vivid saddle
rofl
primal holly
wait. what if someone doenst wanna join a node.. what happens to them?
civic basin
@old ermine I'm sure the system will be balanced is a way that makes both 3 artisan paths as important. Think of it as building a house. You need a company that provides the materials needs, then someone to design and it, and lastly, a team to actually build it. Having nothing but a team wouldn't get you a pretty good house.
vivid saddle
Ooo good question Tam
twin basin
wouldnt everything be connected to a node
arctic sky
You don't have to be a citizen of the node to contribute to the node iirc
vivid saddle
Being a master craftsman for hire traveling node to node nomadically would be so cool
old ermine
Unless your crafting depends on the buildings in your freehold. Can't really travel and craft then
vivid saddle
Hmm true, but you would be skilled at or beyond where you travel so you would be able to craft the things necessary for them to advance maybe
primal holly
also, the taxes in a node .. what do they mean? Like everything a member of a node purchases includes taxes?
vivid saddle
I don't know how it'll play out but it could be interesting
old ermine
I can imagine someone RPing as a master craftsman that sets up shop in a low level node to help it advance. That could be fun @vivid saddle
unkempt gale
i means everyone is taxed on thing they purchse
@primal holly
like real life taxes im guessing
without all the paperwork (hopefully)
ruby swift
Taxes are on anything in a node. Not just citizens. Property taxes are separate from node taxes.
vivid saddle
lol
primal holly
i means everyone is taxed on thing they purchse
@unkempt gale
yea but is it like for the people who aren't a part of the node but still purchasing something from their? (I dont know if this is possible) .. but I saw in a video that a mayor can set the taxes to 100% which is kinda too much xD
unkempt gale
@primal holly i beleive it is for everyone
regardless of if they are part of the node
primal holly
very interesting 😮
ruby swift
It is for everyone who purchases something in that node. <Speculation> the 100% tax rate wont survive testing. It will get a limit set.
vivid saddle
Does anyone know if all dungeon based content will be group only? Or will it be possible to solo some of that kind of content?
stoic charm
Curious to see if things like traveling merchants can be set up with the citizen systems etc. Like will u just end up paying multiple taxes all the time?
unkempt gale
i mean, they said it would be possible to have bad mayors @ruby swift
i think they should leave it
craggy panther
I dont think it should be limited. If some dumb mayor places it 100% tax rate i doubt hed make mayor a second time.
unkempt gale
if they setit too high they lose business. simple as that
snow storm
Anyone know is it possible to have 2 or more metropolises under a single castle?
ruby swift
@vivid saddle All dungeon content will be balanced for 8 members.
There are no solo dungeons announced so far.
vivid saddle
Okay, thanks 🙂
primal holly
I dont think it should be limited. If some dumb mayor places it 100% tax rate i doubt hed make mayor a second time.
@craggy panther as far I understood, the mayor wont be elected right?
stoic charm
But they are open world so in theory u could backpack on another group
primal holly
if they setit too high they lose business. simple as that
@unkempt gale yea this makes sence
craggy panther
@primal holly It would depend on the node type
Scientific is an actual democratic election, popularity contest
unkempt gale
Military is based on Deuls
vivid saddle
Did they mention what kind of penalties come with dying? Like corpse-running, gold loss, exp loss, etc?
unkempt gale
youdrop rescources
boreal kelp
I dont think it should be limited. If some dumb mayor places it 100% tax rate i doubt hed make mayor a second time.
@craggy panther You underestimate people's inherent will to troll others.
vivid saddle
No gear loss though?
primal holly
No gear loss though?
@vivid saddle not sure.. thats why I didnt typ it
mystic notch
Actual gear loss is only if you have max corruption when you die
primal holly
I think there will be a gear durability loss (but as I said im not sure)
craggy panther
@boreal kelp But in the end theyed only hurt themsleves by putting tax rate at 100% anyone dumb enough to pay double for something just because the nodes tax rate probably deserves it
vivid saddle
Do we know yet how quickly corruption will be accrued?
pure lake
im sorry if this has been asked before, is this game going to be playable 2020 or will it be 2021?
primal holly
and also, what happens after corruption
vivid saddle
^ right
primal holly
im sorry if this has been asked before, is this game going to be playable 2020 or will it be 2021?
@pure lake maybe, in 2022
unkempt gale
@primal holly bounty unters come after you, and you get several debuffs, plus you drop items when you die
primal holly
there will be an alpha released soon.. but you have to purchase access to it
ruby swift
No one knows the date.
primal holly
Release date is all speculation don’t listen to anyone
@mystic notch yeah.. all are approximations ..
boreal kelp
@boreal kelp But in the end theyed only hurt themsleves by putting tax rate at 100% anyone dumb enough to pay double for something just because the nodes trax rate probably deserves it
@craggy panther Indeed, but it can technically happen. Perhaps not in the scientific nodes that rely on re-election, but on the others, who's stopping someone from being a jackass? 😛
vivid saddle
Will you be able to drop stacks of corruption by doing things or is it just time based?
craggy panther
This has turned into a discussion so we should move it to #aoc-discussion
pure lake
i know the release date is forever away i just ment playable as in alpha and betas
vivid saddle
Or maybe even a jail system where you do a sentence or pay a fine?
unkempt gale
you get hunted down @vivid saddle
boreal kelp
Btw can node governments change? I think the citizens decide on what type of government they'll have on stage 3. But could that be changed later or is it permanent?
vivid saddle
So you are permanently corrupted until someone kills you?
mystic notch
A nodes government is pre decided
unkempt gale
@vivid saddle i think it dissipates over time? don't quote me on that though
mystic notch
You find out what it is when you hit level 1 for the node
craggy panther
@boreal kelp Im not sure thats a good question for steven during the next stream or on reddit
eternal glade
Military node election is going to work in a duel system right ?
unkempt gale
yes
young spindle
@vivid saddle it is reduced by xp or dieing
primal holly
also just wondering, what happens when the people of a node arent happy with their major
unkempt gale
oh well
primal holly
something like revolution? xD
twin basin
vote them out
unkempt gale
they can elect another next election lol
mystic notch
A special mini game where you play as a champion opposed to your own character @eternal glade
craggy panther
Yes @primal holly the citizens of a node could decide to seige their own node to change it
primal solstice
U can grind to lift that?> @vivid saddle it is reduced by xp or dieing
@young spindle
slow sky
renounce your citizenship and use a siege scroll 
twin basin
honestly if a streamer is on your server chances are they will always be a mayor
mystic notch
If you have a bad mayor you either have to wait a month for the next election or leave the town as of now
Or seige
unkempt gale
so no assasination? aaaw
slow sky
what would that do? we respawn
vivid saddle
@twin basin I could totally see that being an issue
twin basin
i cant wait for stone cold gold to rule half a server
young spindle
@primal solstice yes but you get marked on the map
vivid saddle
that would suck if no one else even has a chance
unkempt gale
unless you cant be mayor 2 times in a row or something @twin basin
granite tapir
For the notes where you vote for a mayor there should totally be speeches by the candidates to the citizens of the node
vivid saddle
Hmm that might solve it but also has its drawbacks
crystal beacon
How long are the pre-order packs going to stay ?
mystic notch
For scientific nodes it will definitely be like that but for the others it is much more difficult for a streamer to be put in as mayor
unkempt gale
maybe they make it so Streamers cant have positions of power XD
boreal kelp
honestly if a streamer is on your server chances are they will always be a mayor
@twin basin Only in a scientific node, and even that is debatable. If a streamer is popular it doesn't necessarily mean that his audiance will be big enough in the said scientific node, on the said server, and even if that's the case it doesn't necessarily mean that they will choose him over, let's say, their guild leader.
young spindle
I dont think itll be a problem for most places the zerg streamer group will all go to one node and everyone else will just go somewhere else
twin basin
i can 100% guarantee if sodapoppin or asmongold run for mayor they will get it
vivid saddle
oh that's true @young spindle
short coral
Streamers will be more of a target then have benefits
mystic notch
In a scientific node yes @twin basin
unkempt gale
@short coral they'll also have an army of body sheilds
mint vault
Asmongold won’t be able to play this game
short coral
Means nothing
crystal beacon
there's also a rebound effect. maybe the streamers will get a lot of hate and have a harder time because of it 🤷
short coral
Smaller guilds have larger benefits in this game anyways
twin basin
scientific nodes are the only ones that have elections so what point are you trying to make
crystal beacon
why are we talking about that in Questions ?
vivid saddle
I kinda like the RP of living in a smaller community that grows over time as opposed to the major one on a server that rushes through everything
young spindle
But you shouldnt punish streamers for being a streamer anyway
boreal kelp
i can 100% guarantee if sodapoppin or asmongold run for mayor they will get it
@twin basin Well, even if that's the case it's fair game in the social aspect of the game.
short coral
If you read up on the game you will see it won’t be an issue
primal holly
Yes @primal holly the citizens of a node could decide to seige their own node to change it
@craggy panther this is crazy xD this game is gaining so much interest ❤️
boreal kelp
Well, you're probably right anyway.
arctic sky
Was there a question for this discussion.. if not it's being discussed in ashes discussion
arctic sky
Next question then
twin basin
ok karen
boreal kelp
Oh my I thought this was the general discussion channel. My apologies.
short coral
Max nodes can’t be changed
crystal beacon
Actual Question: How long are the pre-order packs going to stay ?
vivid saddle
Are pets/companions completely cosmetic or do they have interactions, stats, fighting capabilities, etc?
twin basin
nobody knows
slow sky
Please keep this channel to Questions and Answers only. If you’re passionate about further discussion feel free to move to the lovely discussion channels #general-discussion or #aoc-discussion Thank you. 
@crystal beacon as long as they're there, they will announce long in advance if they plan to remove them.
young spindle
@crystal beacon i think till first week of augest
boreal kelp
Ok I have another question! Is it possible to get into the alpha stage of the game when it comes out?
arctic sky
@vivid saddle so far pets are cosmetic
crystal beacon
@slow sky thanks 🙂
slow sky
@crystal beacon the next cosmetic set rotates out on the 5th
twin basin
@young spindle no thats when the cosmetics rotate
vivid saddle
Thanks @arctic sky
crystal beacon
@slow sky yeah I didn't mean the set, I really meant like how long will I still be able to buy it lol
arctic sky
@vivid saddle mounts might have combat skills depending on mount
slow sky
@crystal beacon for the forseeable future then, they will give multiple weeks advance notice before removal.
mystic notch
Yes @boreal kelp, for $250 minimum you can get into alpha 2
arctic sky
@crystal beacon they still give warning before any changes in pre order packs
crystal beacon
@slow sky I'll probably jump on the next time I see cosmetix I like 🙂
short coral
Pack cosmetics change on the 4th or 5th I think
undone pasture
Hello guys.. Quick question. The streams and what I have found on the forums is saying that the "Leader of Men" pack is the one that will be in this Alpha 1. However when I look in my pledge I am a "Braver of Worlds" and it states Alpha 1 access. So was this changed at some point a benefit for BoW was removed?
arctic sky
@undone pasture Kickstarter
young spindle
@crystal beacon if you get it before September i think the there is a cool statue for the pandemic
undone pasture
Correct. This is when I purchased it.
boreal kelp
Yes @boreal kelp, for $250 minimum you can get into alpha 2
@mystic notch YouTube it is!"
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Would be nice if they made a raffle for a number of their alpha stops though.
crystal beacon
What gear will be equippable/unequippable during combat? Because I can already see corrupted PKers swapping out equips before death so they don’t drop (either manually or using macros)
arctic sky
@undone pasture they are letting people into alpha 1 by the kickstart tiers
undone pasture
I see.
arctic sky
It's not official alpha 1 until the fall when BoW is let in
young spindle
@boreal kelp some people are according to my friend not the devs tho as far as i know
arctic sky
Otherwise it's mainly infrastructure testing
slow sky
@undone pasture Leader of Men are getting NDA's for Pre-Alpha 1 testing, im sure you'll be able to access Alpha 1 when it is available
boreal kelp
Sorry not raffle, I meant like giveaway access to a limited number of people.
undone pasture
Ok, so if if I wanted to get into this round and start helping earlier I have to option to upgrade to LoM. If I did this then I would be in this first round?
arctic sky
@crystal beacon gear from corruption is all gear including bank last I checked
vivid saddle
@arctic sky That seems potentially similar to GW2 where they have certain mounts with different abilities. One can glide one can just really high etc. I'd love to see something similar implemented
young spindle
Will there be a mix of instance dungeons and world dungeons?
vague swan
I had a friend tell me that Alpha 2 is going to be persistent. Does that mean that it will persist through the beta phases and then be reset, or that it will persist through launch?
slow sky
@undone pasture yes if you upgrade you can get into the Pre-Alpha testing after signing your NDA
arctic sky
@undone pasture it's the pre alpha 1 phase so yes upgrade and you'll get in earlier
@vague swan it means servers are always up
undone pasture
Ok. Thank you @slow sky and @arctic sky for the help.
arctic sky
@vague swan there will be wiped as needed and before launch
slow sky
Alpha 2 on launch will eventually become the Public Test Realm
arctic sky
^
vivid saddle
Do we know if there will be paid race changes or something like that?
slow sky
Not likely
arctic sky
They are really anti p2w
mystic notch
^^
arctic sky
Cosmetically they haven't said anything about races
vivid saddle
Which I love, but I'm not sure if that counts as P2W
arctic sky
But races also give bonuses
slow sky
Races do offer base stats and augments to skills so it could be seen as p2w to just change your race
arctic sky
So that will need clarification eventual
craggy panther
@undone pasture beloc if you upgrade to leader of men make sure to put ion a support ticket and let them know you have upgraded
vivid saddle
hmm then a non-paid in game system would be best, I'd hate to hit max level and realize I don't care for my race's cosmetics
primal holly
any ideas which languages the game will support?
slow sky
any languages that have channels in the discord are what are currently planned to be supported
vivid saddle
and not be able to change it at all
arctic sky
@primal holly they also stated any region that has enough support will get added but how much is enough we don't know
primal holly
@primal holly they also stated any region that has enough support will get added but how much is enough we don't know
@arctic sky hmm 😮
jagged grove
I've bought a summer starter pack back in July 2018 for $250.00 can I upgrade my pkg and if so how?
arctic sky
No regional pricing
@jagged grove is you connected it to your account already and can see it there it should show in the store if it is possible, I'm Kickstarter so I don't know how it works with summer backers
slow sky
iirc summer backers cannot upgrade their packs, that's only for KS backers but i cannot confirm this as I am KS backer too
jagged grove
how do i find the info page?
ruby swift
@jagged grove However, Summer crowdfunding that we are talking about ended in 2017. So what you most likely have is an Intrepid package bought in summer 2018. Which can still be upgraded currently to the $375 level by paying the difference.
amber oxide
Hi, Just joined is there anything written down anywhere for the ideas behind all the classes that I could look at?
jagged grove
unknow where do i find this I'm at the shop atm
ruby swift
If you are logged into your account and are on the store page you should see the upgrade as an item. If you do not, send in a CS ticket.
inland crater
Is your account connected
jagged grove
kk ty will try
ruby swift
If you have just recently logged back on for the first time since 2018, your account may still be migrating. In that case it make take 24-48 hours before your options appear.
Either way. Customer Service will be able to get you the options available to you if there is a problem with your account. Realize with the influx of new people they are experience a higher than average ticket load and do not work on weekends.
dapper cove
@amber oxide ashesofcreation.wiki
fleet rock
ik it's not a finished game but what is the estimated specs that you need to play let's say at 60 frames
on lowest quality
slow sky
any UE4 game they have said is a good bench mark for required specs
worthy holly
Processor: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz / AMD FX-9590 4.7GHz.
Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 or AMD Radeon R9 Fury with 4GB and DirectX 12.
Memory: 16 GB RAM
undone pasture
@craggy panther should this ticket be on the forums? I just upgraded.
hasty moss
@undone pasture
undone pasture
Thank you @hasty moss . Opening a ticket now.
hasty osprey
Is there gonna be a class that can use guns?
arctic sky
No
No gun powder in Verra, potion launcher is the closest and that might not even make it
ruby swift
Potion launcher so far has been pulled. Something to do with the physics not working in the mmo.
Well, I have been answering questions all night. Time to sleep. All have fun.
rough meadow
Question: Farming in general. I mean logically, when you see a "tree", you would think; "Lumber", but the way i saw the last stream yesterday showcased how farming in the early stages looked. He had to find "that tree" to farm. The question that i am gonna ask is: Not all what you see is farmable i guess or is this due to change "logically speaking?"
oak depot
Not all you see is gatherable.
arctic sky
You have to look for the (what is currently) sparkles
rough meadow
I get that, im just wondering the artisan perspective stand point. Cause finding that tree, when there is a lot of trees around would be a bummer
undone pasture
I can understand why this the case. If every tree could be farmed, depending upon your regrowth rate this would really impact the look of the "world".
undone pasture
@rough meadow as long as there are enough "sparkly trees" then I dont see it as an issue.
rough meadow
Well, np, i did state it as a "question", but no worries
oak depot
There is a finite list of tiered gatherable resources for each gathering profession
marsh swan
If you look at it from a crafting standpoint, people even IRL look for specific trees because of desired attributes of the wood itself (weight, flexibility, colour, etc). I'd imagine that's the basic argument for having specific gatherable trees, beside game balance
oak depot
Not all trees are in that list as not all of them are usable for processing based on the knowledge possessed by the inhabitants of Verra
The Underrealm for example will have different gatherable resources not found above ground.
past pewter
anyone know how the recipe system is going to work for cooking?
bleak zephyr
@past pewter Recipes are discovered and can be combined to create unique dishes
oak depot
They made it sound like you combine stuff to try... all part of the Risk vs Reward. Once you discover a recipe you probably memorize it (unlock) it. My guess similar to the animal husbandry database with dominant and recessive genes. Quantity of various cooking ingredients will be a thing is my guess
young rose
Does anyone know if the boss rooms in Dungeons will be instanced or are we the players basically fighting other groups constantly within the dungeon and boss rooms?
bleak zephyr
@past pewter https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Recipes
past pewter
so can i combine a recipe for scrambled eggs and a recipe for cheese and make a cheese omelet
arctic sky
@young rose open world dungeons include the whole dungeon
There will be instances for some content but it will be more story related
reef osprey
@oak depot don't worry, by the time launch hits, we will have a full list of all husbandry cominbations
(which i personally think is bad)
static oriole
is there any way to successfully beta test stuff like that without leaking all the info?
maybe since a mount look won't break the game they can hide a lot of that and deal with the bugs as they come
arctic sky
@static oriole they will keep what they can to themselves.. Like the lore
hasty osprey
IDK if anyone knows yet but do Bards use more than 1 instrument?
reef osprey
@static oriole in my opinion yes,
either only test the base level of it, so everything advanced will stay hidden. (exactly what they are doing at the node system - you test a couple and assume the rest works the same way)
or, you test it with placeholder graphics and items that don't infer anything
limber tendon
Does anyone know if footage will be released/allowed from Alpha 1 testing at the end of this month?
reef osprey
@limber tendon the BOW alpha is still nda i think
the one opened for all will be non-NDA
limber tendon
when is the one open for all?
reef osprey
later this year
limber tendon
thank you!
reef osprey
the upcoming one should eliminate critical bugs and problems, so the alpha 1 release won't be a shitshow
limber tendon
awesome
young rose
so basically its a shitfest the entire time
So what is the point of running dungeons if there are going to be groups of pvp oriented players running dungeons for their gear chase, an example is they see the boss and a group that has started the boss so they wipe out the group attempting the boss without them fighting back, what are the repercussions for these actions?
I know the corruption system is supposed to stop some of this is but I feel like this type of behavior is essentially bad for the game.
I'm not a pvp player and I thought of this so I can almost guarantee it will happen in some capacity.
tardy elbow
if you kill a player that doesnt fight back, youll get a big penalty
reef osprey
@young rose
Corruption system is made to stop senseless griefing
Whether it's harsh enough or not, that's down to calibrating
tardy elbow
the corruption system also includes decrease in power etc
reef osprey
and yes, it will certainly happen in some capacity
but that's the danger you have to live with
limber tendon
but he is talking about something specific, I doubt the corruption system can protect groups of raiders from groups of pvp players
they will lose a lot if they get wiped
reef osprey
@limber tendon yeah it can, why shouldn't it?
its no special rules for that occassion
tardy elbow
and in the latest dev update, they said that loot goos to the guild that did the most damage
limber tendon
well it will protect them in the sense that the aggressor gets a penalty but it doesn't change anything about all the time wasted for the raiders
fair yew
Risk vs reward. Plus if you are raiding you won’t have a ton of resources to drop if killed in pvp if you are smart
old ermine
I feel like it would be a lot riskier to kill a group at a boss, since bosses are much further into the dungeon. You get a group of people becoming corrupted deep in a dungeon, they're not going to make it out of the dungeon safely since they'll be killed by all the other people between them and the entrance. The reward isn't worth the risk in that case
limber tendon
it takes a long time to bring a boss down, and not that long to wipe a group of raiders
wind pagoda
Is there a schedule for when Beta One and Beta Two are planned to start? Also, once they are running, how and where can I download/install the game?
(Couldn't find the answer in FAQ)
reef osprey
@limber tendon the group of raiders will keep their looting rights if they did most of the dmg, whether they are dead or not
fair yew
No dates. Once there are dates you’ll get instructions
mystic vigil
Beta? Probably like 2022 lol
reef osprey
so you can't just storm in on 10%, wipe them and take the loot @limber tendon
limber tendon
my point was the boss could reset
tardy elbow
but the raiders are also, probebly strong players, and if not, steven said that itll definitely not be worth it to kill players significantly lower then you
reef osprey
@limber tendon so the raiding group loses close to nothing,
the ganking group gains close to nothing but gets fucked by corruption afterwards
limber tendon
they do lose something, time!
tardy elbow
if its worth it to the pvp players to leech the boss the raiders are doing, then they are probably equal strength..
limber tendon
and resources spent on preparing for the boss
reef osprey
@limber tendon you think you won't lose time when your nodes get sieged, or when your caravan gets raided?
if you aren't ready for that, then you have a nice time here
limber tendon
but of course its up for interpretation i'm just saying i understand that guy's concern
tardy elbow
i guess we have to find out 😄
limber tendon
of course you will but nodes have a cooldown before they can get sieged again right?
tardy elbow
but the devs them sellfs, said that that was one of the things they enjoyed the most, getting in and out of those contested dungeons
in other games before
reef osprey
@limber tendon nodes will be completely destroyed upon a successful siege
and a part of your stuff in the warehouse can be looted by the attacker
candid lava
So for nodes election, whats stopping a guild from manipulating the elections... for economic node election, a guild could fund one of their people to win the election
arctic sky
@young rose if you are curious about what will happen with those that decide to pk look up corruption in the ashes of creation wiki
reef osprey
@candid lava nothing, what should stop them?
limber tendon
@reef osprey oh really? I thought it just got downgraded
fair yew
There is a timeframe between being able to siege again also it takes a week between declaration and start of siege
reef osprey
@limber tendon nope, from lvl 6 all the way to lvl 0
fair yew
New direction is it will be destroyed
limber tendon
dang
arctic sky
@candid lava nodes will take more than one guild to operate but once there is a mayor they can influence until the next election
reef osprey
@candid lava the "strongest guild" living in the node probably has the strongest advantage from seeing it prosper
so them taking over is much better than a random "pleb" who doesn'T have any connections to the node itself, no?
strongest = most people in the node
lucid aspen
Hi, sorry, you guys probably hear this a lot; is there any vague release date for the game or anywhere I can sign up for beta/alpha?
wild marsh
You can buy the Beta/Alpha on the official websites shop. As for the release date, the only release date is for Alpha 1 which is set for Fall 2020 (probably around December)
reef osprey
@lucid aspen beta/alpha access can mostly be bought, not won (with few exceptions)
release i'd personally estimate to be in about 2 years (+/- 4months)
lucid aspen
@reef osprey @wild marsh thanks!
real yew
What is leaders of men and how can I get that? Also can someone explain what backers and kickstarters are? Ty
oak depot
@oak depot don't worry, by the time launch hits, we will have a full list of all husbandry cominbations
(which i personally think is bad)
@reef osprey they don't have to have all combinations enabled pre-release... they could also shift combination on a monthly or quarterly frequency claiming animals are evolving and disable some known one while adding new ones. Just a matter of developer time
wild marsh
@real yew Kickstarter is a crowdfunding service AoC was on. Those who pre-ordered the Leaders of Men pack on kickstarter are the LoM. Hope that answers that question
honest field
What are the requirements to make a guild?
wild marsh
They haven't been released yet. But Steven said something about a quest, member requirements, and a few other things.
Material and currency cost.[7]
Completing a quest line.[7]
Minimum level requirement.[7]```
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/GuildsSo how are there already guilds and a recruitment channel?
real yew
@wild marsh thanks, is it to late for me to do that?
wild marsh
Yeah @real yew But you can still buy Alpha 2 I believe
real yew
I bought the $375 pack, but now I'm mad that I didnt catch everything available before that. I've missed so much :(
arctic sky
@honest field most of those that are creating guilds are doing so ahead of time and will join when it is made in game.. some are from multi game guilds
twin basin
thats called fomo and its a horrible marketing strategy
wild marsh
Yeah, I wish I had $550 at the time of KS versus the measly $50 I put into it. I would have perm membership 😦
honest field
Wonderful!
arctic sky
@wild marsh you can upgrade you Kickstarters
reef osprey
@oak depot
honestly, if you want to test it, just focus test it with placeholders
give all the testers all the placeholders into their inventory, give them a recipe with all placeholder combination and let them freely test for a couple of hours.
Explorative Professions/Systems make 0 sense, nor serve any point if people can just generate a spreadsheet pre-launch.
It just makes it more of a hassle
gray oak
I was under the understanding that in the kickstarter the Braver of world pack said and i quote (Earliest access to ashs) to alpha 1. hmmmmm
reef osprey
@honest field most guilds exist for the past 15 years across 5 different games already
arctic sky
@gray oak they are in pre alpha 1 doing stability testing for when they let BoW in
honest field
@reef osprey Can one still create one now for when the game comes out?
wild marsh
I think it's called Alpha 0 btw
reef osprey
@honest field sure, feel free to create your own guild and start recruiting
honest field
Wonderful! Thank you for the helpful info!
gray oak
@arctic sky thankyou.#
real yew
Hard to choose a guild, ughh soo many
arctic sky
@wild marsh no alpha 0 was different
kind cloud
any info on how musical the game is gonna be? (thinking about OoT and Hollow Knight)
rough meadow
When the package says lifetime subscription, does that mean game time?
arctic sky
Yes
arctic sky
@kind cloud bear mccreary is doing the music
@rough meadow that is Kickstarter exclusive
rough meadow
I know, im just to late at everything so xD Just looking at it, makes me feel sad xD
onyx knoll
@kind cloud The soundtrack will be released during beta, the composer is Bear McCreary
pallid swallow
Will dungeons always be challenging at max level? Or will eventually out gear max level dungeons?
onyx knoll
@pallid swallow Kinda early to tell considering the highest lvl we've seen so far is like 15 😛
arctic sky
@pallid swallow the world will also evolve as the nodes do so you might not even be able to get what you think as the best gear
pallid swallow
I kinda thought it might be to early for that but thought I would ask anyways lol
primal holly
is there anyway to contact the @admins here on discord?
twin basin
ping one of the various moderators
past pewter
@idle siren will public dungeons have mimics? false chests that reveal to be a monster after you attempt to open it
primal holly
I dont think a moderator can help me :/
onyx knoll
@primal holly if you have an issue that requires support please sent an email to them
primal holly
xD nah its more like a question to @idle siren
arctic sky
@primal holly wait until there is a questions for the Livestream next month
Or you can post in forums
primal holly
@primal holly wait until there is a questions for the Livestream next month
@arctic sky will this be announced here on discord?
arctic sky
Those are your best bet
onyx knoll
You can ask here, we might know the answer, otherwise I'd recommend making a forum post or waiting for when they open the Q&A questions. The devs don't look in this channel very often
reef osprey
@primal holly its very unlikely that you will get an answer here.
otherwise he'd have 500 pings each day
primal holly
True xD
arctic sky
@primal holly they post in the news channel when the QA is open
young rose
@reef osprey But gear in the dungeons could have a chase piece but its in a lower leveled dungeon so you could potentially see higher leveled players in there
The example is a lower level but on-par well geared group attempts the dungeon ,they get to the boss and start the encounter damaging it to 75% total Hp left but another either more equipped or higher leveled groups comes in wipes the previous group and kills the boss. (lets say the level discrepancy is 5 levels)
Now the corruption system doesn't specify the amount of corruption or how the score works, it only generalizes the system so far.
You say its not worth but a guild with high leveled players in the end game could put on moderate gear and pk clear a dungeon to allow their lowered leveled players a chance to get gear.
dusky adder
They do monthly stream, yea?
crystal beacon
Is it possible to determine how many servers will be up at launch and the preferred max capacity?
onyx knoll
@dusky adder they do, yes
onyx knoll
@crystal beacon max capacity will be 10k online at once and up to 50k accounts assigned to a server (still subejct to change) we don't know how many servers per say there will be
dusky adder
I am personally hoping to learn more about artistan classes
Specially scribing. I imagine not much is known about it or Steven just hasn't talked a lot about it
crystal beacon
Thank you guys!
silk fractal
still no showcase of new cosmetics guys?
onyx knoll
nope
silk fractal
where are they posted when they release them in advance btw? I have no idea where to look for it
onyx knoll
I thought they were gona do it during the update, but since they didn't i'm guessing maybe twitter
or here in #news
twin basin
right now its the swamp people and the glowing red stuff right?
silk fractal
glowing red stuff ended on july 15th I think
onyx knoll
yeah right now it's just swamp ppl
runic crystal
When making a guild will it be a race to make your guild first so the name isnt taken at launch or can you reserve it at some point in beta/alpha?
onyx knoll
there hasn't been mentions of guild name reservations
runic crystal
Ah
wild marsh
Yes there has
onyx knoll
they might start offering it at some point but for now only name reservation is a thing
has there?
wild marsh
Kickstarter packs such as the Braver of Worlds will have guild reservations.
onyx knoll
I know you can pre-register guild members so that everyone can be on the same server
Ahh, you're right
it's no longer available tho
wild marsh
It's available for those who have backed kickstarter 🙂
Other than that, there won't be any pre-registration for guild names I'm pretty sure.
onyx knoll
right, but if you're coming in now, there isn't any way that I know of
wild marsh
Correct, there won't be any way to do that until release.
onyx knoll
You could try to find someone who has backed the kickstarter to join your guild and reserve for you 😛
runic crystal
That's prob the play. Thanks.
robust marsh
ANy news on "all Alpha 1" access as of yet guys?
Been watching/listening haven't heard anything
onyx knoll
what do you mean? Alpha 1 is starting later this year in fall, the access to it is closed now
not sure if that's what you were asking
robust marsh
So what I mean is I have access to Alpha 1 - but not kickstarter
Just curious if we have heard of a date to begin.
Sorry I wasn't very clear.
onyx knoll
fall is as close as we got
robust marsh
Gotcha appreciated.
onyx knoll
np 🙂
vivid slate
Quick Question, How many Character slots will be available?
onyx knoll
all we know is that it'll be a "comfortable amount" we don't have a specific number but people are guessing 8, since that's how many you would need to have an alt for each archetype
vivid slate
Ok cool, Thank you
quartz wind
Question. I bought the bigest pack on the site, but it charged me twice. I have already sent in a request for refund, but I havent herd back yet (despite the response e-mail saying I would get a response in 2 business days). How do I go about getting a refund only for one of the charges because I want to keep the pack I bought.
fast mauve
Tank Question: Will I be forced to play with a 1H Weapon and Shield or will there be diversity in weapons for tanks without massive drops in damage reduction?
slow sky
any class can use any weapon but for sure specific classes will be more preferenced towards specific weapons
fast mauve
Yea, as a tank player through multiple MMOs it just gets old and its nice to have diversity and tank styles based on weapon
onyx knoll
@quartz wind When did you send that e-mail? I feel like the 2 business day thing is from before they exploded in popularity with Peon/Asmon videos
dapper cove
So with character naming do we know the format? Like will it allow for spacing and multiple capitalizations? Or is it limited to single word names like in wow?
onyx knoll
@dapper cove All we know at the moment is that the minimum length will be 3 characters, we don't know what sort of special characters they'll allow
quartz wind
I did it like last week on teusday
onyx knoll
@quartz wind Mh, yeah it's been a while... I'm not sure I can think of any other way other then calling your credit card company instead
or trying to send an other e-mail but that's a bit spammy lol
crystal beacon
Weird question I guess, but do you think you'll be bolstering you internal QA team this year? I'm an experienced QA tester for another studio but AoC would be awesome to work on and the site doesn't have any listing for it currently.
onyx knoll
@crystal beacon This channel is for community members to answer questions, the dev don't hang around here much (especially on the weekend lol)
I'd recommend you just keep an eye on the job postings, I'm not sure how much they'll be hiring for QA this year tho, I feel like that would be closer to launch
crystal beacon
Figures, the stream recording I was watching said to ask in discord and this seemed like the best channel, but thanks.
onyx knoll
Mhh, try tomorrow during the day and ping Margaret, if you're lucky she'll see it and answer 😛
quartz wind
Ok thanks.
mystic notch
@fast mauve we don’t know too much yet about weapon skill lines however it was said that any character with the primary class “tank” will be capable of tanking end game content. This might include other weapon sets might not
stray current
@crystal beacon You might want to ping @tight gale and ask.
unkempt depot
what if I go tank/bard
ocean spear
You guys think clerics will be able to heal mounts/mules knowing they can be eliminated?
onyx knoll
@unkempt depot we don't know yet, but maybe that'll give you an AoE taunt, who knows!
zealous atlas
Would end game bosses damage be like hit with 1 attack and get one shot or get hit with 1 attack and take considerable damage
onyx knoll
A bit early to tell I think, but from how I understand it they don't want it to be 1 hit ded
I know for pvp the goal is to around 30-60 to kill, not sure for PvE tho
crystal beacon
@simple ether Ok thank you.
slim dagger
will bards be as fast in aoc as they were in eq
tight gale
@crystal beacon you can send your CV and Cover Letter to jobs@intrepidstudios.com
worthy mica
are classes restricted to certain weapon types? can a tank wield a 2h sword instead of a shield/1h?
onyx knoll
@slim dagger We don't have a lot of info on Bards but Steven said their goal was for them to be a very active playstyle
@worthy mica weapons are not restricted, any archetype can use any weapons
You'll have some that will probably have more geared toward some archetypes, like rangers with bows
but you can switch them around mid-fight if the situation requires it
so you could be a melee ranger if you wanted to, or a 2H tank
worthy mica
awesome, thanks for the answer
woven vale
You will also have a secondary (either melee or ranged, the opposite of your main weapon)
So a ranger with a bow when an enemy closes distance can pull out a greatsword
summer elbow
candid lava
Are mayors only able to hire NPC Guards during the siege or can they hire them anytime they want?
slim bluff
Will there be a way for mayors to easily communicate with their citizens?
round tangle
When do the current cosmetic bundles end? And what will they be replaced with?
junior pagoda
has there been any talk about combat wounds or other systems that encourage use of taverns, campfires, or other method of healing? I know that taverns can provide you with buffs, jw if any other info
candid lava
special quests that only appears in player own taverns/inns
steady ocean
@round tangle Aug 5th
trim moon
Will there be NPC guards that roam around the nodes (like Lineage 2), or just in the cities? Would make sense for to have watchtowers and stuff around the open areas, that corrupted players should try to avoid
junior pagoda
why do player shops require the owner to be online? I understand stalls don't, just seems odd that shops do.
last horizon
Has there been any discussion of making sure that each class is relevant to groups? I ask, because I played a Druid in Vanilla WoW, and Druids weren't great, everyone wanted a Priest as a healer instead. Even during Raids I was spot healer, but I really just to innervate the priests or told when to Battle Res. So I ask, because I love the idea of a bard buffer, but will a bard have a place in 4/8/16 man group content?
steady ocean
In 8+ for sure, more of a buffer + off healer. But you can ask over in #aoc-discussion what everyone thinks
last horizon
Ty
main raptor
I thought dungeons were designed for 8-10+?
atomic ridge
Dungeons are meant for 4/8 or up to 40
green pagoda
4,8,20,40
Doesnt matter how it's designed tbh in that regard @main raptor . there is no creature scaling with levels. But there is scaling on dungeons for the amount of people you have with you. So im sure it just varies and depends on what you are doing!
broken cove
Anyone know if there will be a form of after action report when you complete dungeons and such to gauge personal improvement?
main raptor
Doubt it, that sounds too much like a dmg meter
Maybe if its just your personal stats shown to only you
green pagoda
@broken cove i have no idea. Havnt heard of anything of sorts thus far. But i doubt it as steven doesn't want any competitive with groups aka: (no 3rd party software) which makes for a toxic environment. Also the realistic factor, wouldnt be as immersive
main raptor
I can already see sweaty elitist guilds demanding people screenshot their after action reports for comparisonm
pallid swallow
Ill agree to that damage meters are no good bc people can be toxic, but how will you know how to get better at your class? Im not talking about min maxing either
main raptor
That seems like a shallow argument to me Legs, how do people in ff14 get better?
pallid swallow
they use damage meters lol
main raptor
The speed with which you clear the content? The ease with which you do so?
green pagoda
@pallid swallow creativity and expirementing. Usualy getting better entails that you need to press,buttons better
main raptor
Weird when I played ff14 I didn't see a dmg meter
pallid swallow
its not in the game
pliant ocean
If you are talking about Damage. Find an easily accessible static creature. The faster you can kill it, the better you are getting.
pallid swallow
I played ffxiv for a long time
green pagoda
@pallid swallow you shouldn't have any issues man. Just experiment and see what works well with your play style. Or look up guides as they start coming out.
desert ivy
@trim moon I mean there are only nodes, there arent any premade cities in Ashes. So yes, there will be guards in nodes
main raptor
@idle siren I see you just went active on mobile... please tell us if fishing is going to be AA-inspired, that was the best fishing in any mmorpg 
idle siren
There will be deep sea fishing and coastal/lake fishing
twin basin
ice fishing 👀
main raptor
omgggggg yes thankyou, will there be hotspots or anything? sport fishing? things like promote community activities like in early AA?
trim moon
Fishing for Alaskan Crabs with the boys
oak depot
@idle siren can you tell us how many total skill points we will have at max level? Is it 50 or is there some you can get from quests/milestones?
pallid swallow
I dont think dps addons should be in the game, but some kind of damage assessment would be pretty cool. People will be toxic either way though so you would just have to do what seems best for the game
pliant ocean
@idle siren 
lean marlin
@idle siren spear fishing? what about bow fishing?
idle siren
The fishing will be community resource nodes until depleted and spawned elsewhere 🙂
untold maple
will different archetypes have different types of resources or is it just mana
main raptor
@idle siren that is awesome 💯
steady ocean
@dark jungle Get the notebook 🙂
lean marlin
and by bow, I mean using a ballista.
dark jungle
green pagoda
Oh! I didnt know i was in the AOC discord. LOL
desert ivy
I thought we already knew this
obsidian berry
@idle siren I noticed "Ashes of Creation" seems to have a Phoenix as it's "mascot"? Will we see any boss/mounts involving a Phoenix ?
trim moon
@idle siren Does killing sea monsters, like a whale, give the same resources as fishing gatherables?
idle siren
The Phoenix is the celestial avatar of the Goddess of creation. Her sacrifice protected the people of Verra during the apocalypse
acoustic elk
Do you think that you will be able to mine multiple times from the mid tier resource nodes or is it one use per user?
steady ocean
@obsidian berry I believe Jeff goes into detail on their first Q & A on why a Phoenix as well, if that interests you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGepb_OZLhQ
obsidian berry
@steady ocean Thank you !
twin basin
so Verra is akatosh
sick sage
If I’m working on a node and it develops into a race I’m not, could I make like a small corner/street/ District , the culture based out of my class.
steady ocean
Steven giving the community the scoop, gotta love it 🙂
stark knoll
Has it been confirmed the number of tier upgrades you get per skill? Was it 3 or 4?
sharp wing
good pupper
gaunt vortex
CUTE!
trim moon
@stark knoll 3
sharp wing
@idle siren Can we expect a nodes part 3 video before next year?
stark knoll
@trim moon Thanks!
stray wyvern
thats a cute dog lol
idle siren
@sharp wing likely not
pallid swallow
this might be a dumb question but is gear going to have stats in this game?
sharp wing
Alrighty. Had to ask 😛
idle siren
@pallid swallow yes
green pagoda
Will there be rare discontinued items ?
oak depot
are we going to be able to breed cross-breeds with animal husbandry? Make a chimera (goat + lion + serpent)?
idle siren
Boats can only be constructed from harbors
steady ocean
Most likely boat parts @twin basin , assembling may not be the best idea 😄
sharp wing
@twin basin gotta be at a port
twin basin
ahhhh my dreams
trim moon
While fishing, can you accidentally create an encounter with a sea monster (like a shark) that you would need to kill in order to obtain the resource?
pine sun
Is the dialog voiced? or is most if not all text based?
sharp wing
@idle siren In your friday live stream you talked about the Auction house. It seems that a node at stage 4 and a node at stage 3 that is a vassal node will have a shared auction house. Did I understand that correctly?
rigid rose
@idle siren can anyone construct a boat in the harbor?
gaunt vortex
@idle siren is fishing going to be a good way to make gold just like in archeage? or is it just for making food
steady ocean
I believe Steven said nodes that are on the shore next to the sea can cause you to reel in dangerous mobs in his Node 1 or Node 2 video @trim moon
tardy mortar
Can I create content using your official videos on youtube?
stray wyvern
@idle siren I plan on RPing an angel of death/grim reaper character so I'm going Cleric + Rogue. I fear though is that even with the augmentations and my assignation and prioritization of skill points towards damaging abilities, that I will still be bullied into healing for groups. Will augmentations and skill point distributions turn me into a dps class that can off heal, or just because my main class is Cleric will I be forced to be "the healer" no matter what. Sorry for the long question, love your work!
idle siren
@rigid rose with the right schematics and materials and advanced node yes
tardy mortar
Any DMCA worries?
obsidian berry
So he said there's nodes in the water. Does this mean we will see a metropolis city out in the sea? (on its own landmass/island ofc)
trim moon
@steady ocean Yes, i'm aware. But i was wondering if you caught a caught a monster with the bait, would you have to kill it in order to get the gatherable
rigid rose
@idle siren thank you
winged knot
potentially Benzi
crystal beacon
@idle siren with all the PvP chatter will you guys do a big convo about it going over the details and finer points of it.
strong drum
@stray wyvern your main class being cleric will give you mainly healing abilities and the rogue archetype will change how those skills behave but primarily cleric is a healer
tulip hatch
@tardy mortar as long as you don't claim to be an official source or take credit for those videos you can use them
steady ocean
@trim moon Do you picture it just giving you materials otherwise? 🤔
twin basin
any hints for the new cosmetics this month 👀
idle siren
@sharp wing there is an economic blog on the website I believe that elaborates
@twin basin hint. Frog
twin basin
oh lord
inland crater
dam
tardy mortar
@tulip hatch Yeah I always add a credit source title to the clips