Apoc Island is different. But the 2nd Apoc map, Forest of Erynthia is said to be taken directly from A1 map.
#questions
grim breach
crystal beacon
Will the game be released in EU too?
And will the cosmetics from the gone packs return someday?
onyx knoll
Yes, no
crystal beacon
I will never get them?
onyx knoll
Unfortunatly not, tho you might be able to get similar ones with different color schemes eventually, but those exact ones are gone forver
stable plover
Not from KS/SS or passed pre-order packs, possible slight exception in EU for some inability to properly purchase them at times, possibly tied to already having made an account.
onyx knoll
Sorry mate 😞
onyx knoll
Probably 2 years? Your guess is as good as mine
hollow niche
2021
stable plover
@crystal beacon No open beta is planned at all, except for APOC Testing - aka Siege and Horde modes, sometime after A1 -> this is not the full MMO
(The MMO betas are closed betas)
hollow niche
consider following on socials or singing up for the newsletter for when the testing phases will be. Of course you’ll be notified for other events and developments as well 🙃
https://ashesofcreation.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360033777814-How-can-I-keep-up-with-the-latest-news-
crystal beacon
Also may i ask how far the game is finished back end wise
Since so many aspects are to it
So many systems
hollow niche
Check out the YouTube channel for the progress of in game systems
onyx knoll
Well, they recently had to rebuild almost all of the back end because of a major flaw they detected during APOC testing so.... Hard to tell xD
crystal beacon
But so far they can really keep their promises?
onyx knoll
The game looks really good tho for pre-alpha
crystal beacon
Or at least stevens haha
onyx knoll
I believe they will
crystal beacon
What steven says sounds sooo amazing
onyx knoll
But don't take my faith as the real answer, keep watching their videos and see for yourself! :D
crystal beacon
Thanks yes, that are my questions for today
crimson canopy
I'm new to the AoC community too, and something that's really cool is that there is a very clear vision for the game and an emphasis on not adding more features. A lot of games that never get finished suffer badly from that issue
onyx knoll
Haha, please do ^^
grim hinge
there are no features left to add @crimson canopy they're trying to do everything, haha
winged lagoon
Do we know how the dungeons respawn? Especially the open world ones? Like is there a set time that is scaled depending on the amount of players in the area or is it static respawn timers? Also with the contesting of the good loot in dungeons which was garnered from the recent video of flying through the dungeon, can people just not attack back to stay non-combatant and potentially keep the loot in the good room? Or is the combatant a flagged system where you can choose to flag combatant always stay a combatant
unkempt depot
Will some water be cold or some water be hot? When you swim it can you get hypothermia?
odd skiff
Is there anyway to purchase past pre order packages or are they gone for good?
hollow niche
I haven’t seen survival conditions but some spells will apply conditions
Past packages are gone
low halo
So I know this is a giant upcoming MMORPG on the horizon with countless features and I am already a huge fan without having my hands on the game as is; The alpha is amazing from just watching the streams and Q & A Sessions. My question is, just as a personal preference and the want to feel more at home; Even though the main theme is not centered around the culture (Such as Blade n Soul, Perfect World, etc.) Would there happen to be any preferences that highlight Asian/Japanese culture arriving in later updates? Ranging from classes such as Samurai, Ninja, Shaman, etc. Let alone armor themed assets that match & follow the culture in question? Or even an additional race coming that might highlight a Monk-ish/Zen lifestyle (Unless that's the elvish race)
ebon star
The orc race actual has a very eastern theme to them for the one society
Expansion into new classes may come in future DLC which doesnt involve another box cost
steady jasper
no yellow fever allowed in here Kappa
odd skiff
Are you able to buy more gametime when you buy a preorder package? or is 9 months the limit atm
hollow niche
The in game time listed in the packages are the limit so far
slim bluff
Considering how big the map is, will there be a coordinate function in-game to share exact locations?
odd skiff
So if I buy the voyager plus package for this month then next months packages will only be cosmetics right?
tacit solstice
no idea if anything has been said or even known yet but any idea of how many servers and where the servers will be located. as an oce mmo player kind sad that pretty much only mmo that has oce servers is wow
modest widget
Has it been confirmed on whether spears can be dual wielded with a shield?
winged lagoon
@tacit solstice there has been confirmed OCE servers
twilit plume
With the 5th of august approaching this week, when will they release the new set of cosmetics for the pre-order packs?
unreal spire
@twilit plume will they be new packs to purchase, or just another option
twilit plume
@unreal spire as far as I heard the cosmetics in the pack changes each month. So i was wondering if they give a preview so people can make a last call choice
unreal spire
ic, ive been meaning to purchase the voyager pack, but ive been hearing about august 5th so i wasnt sure what it all meant
ancient charm
I was wondering if we will be getting unique weapon skills?
surreal zodiac
Will we have titles like Dragon Slayer <Character Name>?
woeful vector
Will the game feature fully fleshed out languages and alphabets for each race like LOTR?
ruby swift
@odd skiff Once you own a pre order package, in future months you will be able to purchase the future pack cosmetics at the tier you backed at or lower. If you have the $375 package you have access to all the future cosmetics a la carte. They range from $5-25. If you back at $75 you would only be able to buy the accessory each month that usually runs $5.
@ancient charm Each weapon has a skill progression.
solemn finch
there will be titles, not sure what their names would be. but apparently some actually have bonuses and benefits to using them
and some titles are super hard to get
ruby swift
@surreal zodiac Yes there are titles and achievements planned.
solemn finch
like first person to do x during the week or whatever
ruby swift
@twilit plume @unreal spire They usually reveal the upcoming cosmetics a day or two out with the blurb, "last chance on current, get em now"
odd skiff
@ruby swift Thanks for the info
ruby swift
@modest widget spear shield combo confirmed.
@tacit solstice https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Servers
lament mist
If I understand right, if I buy the $375 pack I get all current and future contents of those packs right?
woeful vector
In the recent Development Update, Steven said [kinda paraphrasing] that loot condition is decided by DPS done. How will healers or pure tanks get loot, considering that both of these archetypes deal less damage relative to fighters or pure damage dealers?
ruby swift
You get all of the current package cosmetics and have the OPTION to purchase future cosmetics individually. You do NOT buy a package and then just get all future cosmetics for free
@woeful vector There is a post on forums discussing this. But in short, tanks and healers have dps abilities and will get exp based off of their participation. Tanks are not meant to stand there like blobs, and they don't want healbots. That is how I understand it and I go into reasons why. I could be wrong on the single group distribution of exp though. It is a new thing and needs more clarification. https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/45396/exp-sharing-for-healers#latest
surreal zodiac
maybe there's an april fool's day cosmetic that makes me look like steven
main ridge
When you say all current cosmetics, are you meaning that all cosmetics in previous packs are also included in the purchase? @ruby swift
ruby swift
@main ridge Thanks for that catch. I will edit it. No. Once cosmetics have cycled off the store they are no longer available and you do not get them.
modest widget
@ruby swift amazing, thanks!
ruby swift
You have slots for two active melee weapons and one ranged as of last info given. A shield takes one of those slots. You can't dual wield shields. And as always, certain classes do better with certain weapons even though none are class locked. If you don't have shield bash, you will be less effective with a shield than someone who does.
true ridge
It would be funny if Tank/Tank could dual wield shields and attack with them
potent merlin
Q: on the latest vid, Steven said that experience gain depend on the % of damage a player deal to a mob, does that make support/healer class at a disadvantage?
ruby swift
Yeah, the dual wield shields thing pops up about once a year, and so far the answer has always been no.
@potent merlin I answered just above, and there is also this discussion on forums. https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/45396/exp-sharing-for-healers#latest
silver beacon
I'm not so sure about this. In MMOs, usually what groups will do in a dungeon is have the tank pull a large number of enemies so that the healer focuses almost entirely on healing the tank, and the DPS and tank just focus on using aoe attacks to get rid of the group. In that kind of situation, it would mean that the healer gets nothing from the pull, if the system works as I understand it
And to address the point you raised in that forum post, Unknown, the kind of system I've seen in games usually involves lowering or removing exp earned from mobs you fight that are too high level compared to you
ruby swift
<opinion>Yes, but this comes on the heels of Steven's "no scaling, I like being able to punch up" statement in the last couple weeks. Like any new system or mechanic when info dropped here it requires clarification and we will eventually get it. If found to impact player populations in a negative way they will adjust. Last thing they probably want to do is influence people to roll dps and ignore tank and healer roles. <opinion over>
main ridge
Is exp really all that important though? Once people hit 50 won’t it become essentially obsolete except in death?
Or will that exp convert to monetary gain, etc?
silver beacon
It is important, because if exp distribution is wonky, healers will have a really hard time even reaching 50
cloud nymph
Anyone know if there is any threads regarding the height of the dwarfs? I would like to see then a bit taller :p
ruby swift
Sorry, I did not want to start a discussion on it here.
@cloud nymph There is a race specific range for heights that you will be able to adjust in the character creator. You won't be making 3" high or orc sized dwarves.
But there will be a range.
dusty acorn
Yo, if i upgrade to LoM, and i already own Fire and ice skins, and the summer cosmetics. Theres no refund/price drop for that is there?
cloud nymph
I understand that ofc, but atm on the vids ive seen they are like gnomes 😂
ruby swift
@dusty acorn You gain the Angel and Demon skins as a KS LoM, the fire/ice are from the Summer LoM and were able to be purchased separately only by KS holders for $75.
dusty acorn
Yes..im aware. lol i already own the fire and ice..im a braver KS
ruby swift
@cloud nymph pre alpha, many systems related to character customization are still happening. It gets more expansive every iteration and is nowhere close to being done.
cloud nymph
Yeah i guess we have to wait and see :)
ruby swift
@dusty acorn When you upgrade to LoM you will get the KS benefits. Don't know why you would get a refund on Summer purchases?
Or discount?
sweet blade
LoM?
dusty acorn
Leader of Men
sweet blade
ah
ruby swift
Leader of Men. A kickstarter/Summer tier of backing
crystal flax
No, because that wasn't part of the original KS, you paid for those as part of the summer backing, you'd get the Angel/Demon skins
ruby swift
No, because it has nothing to do with Kickstarter. It is from Summer which was separate, and the skins you get in KS LoM are totally different racials.
dusty acorn
They are included in the LoM upgrade tho.
ruby swift
They are not
dusty acorn
crystal flax
Yes, read the line right before that
If you were a Summer backer only, you get those
zealous forum
Q regarding the siege summoning, would the siege beast change depending on the archetype of the lead summoner. for example the summoner/ranger summons a giant beast or the conjuror summoning a giant spirit or something along those lines
ruby swift
That answers it then, you are a Summer backer and not a Kickstarter backer. If you somehow managed to purchase the Fire/Ice skins a la carte, that was a bug and CS would definitely take a look at that. First time I have heard of someone Summer being able to purchase Summer cosmetics a la carte.
crystal flax
It mentions the Angel/Demon higher up in the screenshot Unknown, it's trying to separately tell you what you get
ruby swift
Oh read it wrong too.
crystal flax
If you were KS you get Angel/Demon, if you were Summer you get Fire/Ice
ruby swift
Yeah, the ONLY is important there.
umbral forge
are the nodes type pretermined or does it take on the aspect of the players actions on the node itself?
crystal flax
Nodes are predetermined
dusty acorn
Interesting, ill still probably make a ticket or something. Covid got money tight enough that 75$ is worth the attempt i guess. Thanks
silver beacon
Didn't they say you could destroy a city and replace it with a different node type? How does that work then?
ruby swift
You cannot replace the node type
dusty acorn
it would be a nearby node
silver beacon
Oh, that makes sense actually
ruby swift
The node is destroyed unlocking nearby nodes to advance
umbral forge
so can you decide what type of node you want to belong to?
crystal flax
As long as you go to the area of one you prefer
ruby swift
You will see at level 1 indicators of what the node is. And make a choice to continue grinding in that area or not.
You got this Volpur? I am going to go get lunch.
crystal flax
Probably not as good as others but I'll do what I can
cloud nymph
You can get citizenship with the type of node you want from what i understood, so yes you can decide
silver beacon
Hopefully I can find a religion type node by the coast
cloud nymph
That shouldnt be a problem :)
timid mason
Will we be able to freely change and allocate stats and augment schools? At start of launch I believe its important to test freely what playstyle suits us
dark dagger
Is it possible for parent nodes and vassal nodes to have different art styles?
hardy bolt
@dark dagger yes, the art of the city will depend on the race that contributed the most xp to the node
late vale
Are all mounts going to be "alive" or can u have something like carriage
?
o:
like
only horses
dragons
bees
does
etc
grizzled latch
Do you mean to ask if they will have like a witch broom mount or things like that?
late vale
I just want my carriage
crystal flax
Anything along those lines sounds like it would be more of a caravan than a mount specifically
late vale
if not any horse will do
till I get to fly that is
well we are getting of topic this is the questions chat
it dosnt load
rip
like
with the wheel?
like wow?
not that I've seen
crystal flax
You can zoom in and out but we don't know the limits I believe
frigid edge
Does anyone know where there are images of the different racial emblems on the wiki?
woeful vector
Its on the races page on the wiki
First thing in the page that pops up
Or do you mean the emblems just by themselves?
frigid edge
yea
woeful vector
ah
I see
Hmm
There’s an image in that link
Where you can extract the emblems through photoshop
frigid edge
thank you, that is more than i had!
shrewd lake
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8juLIQnCPQ/
Is there anywhere on the site or on the wiki where I may easily obtain the Racial Emblems as save-able assets for the full stack AoC app I am developing?
frigid edge
lol this is who i was trying to help
odd skiff
So how do refunds work when buying the pre order packages? Im torn between buying Voyager plus or waiting to see if they release some new packages with early access
crystal flax
If they released a new package after you've already bought yours, you could likely just pay the difference of what the new one would be, no need to refund and then buy a whole new package
grim breach
Just don't buy if you don't like the current cosmetics
The package next month will only change the cosmetics, the other items will be the same
odd skiff
Ya i kinda wanted to wait to see what next months cosmetics will be
but also kinda intrigued about maybe seeing if they offer a new package with alpha one testing
drowsy hawk
sweet blade
this past month's aesthetics have been eh, dont like the swamp aesthetic. The plague doctor goth aesthetic that i liked is already gone
grim breach
Or you can always upgrade. Also, you can buy the cosmetics only if you buy a pack. The individual cosmetics available depends on the tier of the pack that you bought
crystal flax
If you don't like the current cosmetics, and might want to save for A1, your best bet would be to just wait then
grim breach
If A1 comes, you will need to spend more regardless
odd skiff
Of course
grim breach
Last time pre order pack had A1 was 500
woeful vector
@frigid edge @shrewd lake
Probably the only hd images I can find which you can crop for yourselves
https://twitter.com/ashesofcreation/status/1258751203690926080?s=21
grim breach
So even if you buy Voyager Plus right now, you will still need to pay the difference to upgrade to A1.
IF its an upgrade
odd skiff
Im willing to pay that and more actually lol
Im just hoping they offer lifetime sub again but even that is a long shot lol
grim breach
I mean, yeah, that's why there's no difference than buying now and upgrading later, except that you will get more cosmetics by buying now and upgrading later. 
If I'm not mistaken
frigid edge
@woeful vector Thank you. if you want to see whats happening with it he's streaming it on twitch right now. Same name
crystal flax
@odd skiff Lifetime sub cannot be offered again as it was limited to the original crowdfunding campaigns
sweet blade
wait you can pay to get in Alpha 1 now? I thought that that ship had already sailed, and the best you could go for was Alpha 2
crystal flax
@sweet blade Not currently, but it's been mentioned as a possibility
odd skiff
@crystal flax Well dam...
vernal swallow
Is it not possible to cut any tree that you see? Or is it just a Pre-Alpha thing that we saw in the gameplay?
grim breach
I believe it depends on your profession level and your tools
As Steven also mentioned in the stream
steel basin
anyone have a date for alpha two test phase ?
grim breach
No
sweet blade
there are 6 religions, can you choose to follow a 'good' or 'evil' deity?
('good' and 'evil' is all relative and subject to some debate, but im specifically referring to worshipping The Ancients or The Others)
red jetty
does anyone know if an alliance can hold a castle or does it have to be a single a guild
grim breach
@sweet blade Might be a possibility, no other info yet
full scroll
So I checked the classes out and I understood that each character can choose 2 like phases to go through that will ultimately determine what they do. That being said, one will be chosen upon creation, when will be the other? Can I change them later?
crystal flax
I believe the way they've worded it in the past is a single guild, since the leader has to activate the capture
sweet blade
i see
grim breach
@full scroll You can change your secondary class but you cannot change your primary class. Changing secondary class will need some efforts. We don't know how it will work yet.
full scroll
I was just thinking possibly going as a tank, but then having to suffer through mob kills, due to lack of damage as a tank would be pure pain inside.
sweet blade
well tanks, if anyone, should be able to tag enemies
little star
They said next stream right they going to explain the class system?
full scroll
I mean, Tanks will obviously tank, but as much as I've played them in other games, they're damage output usually isn't the best, so in terms of like leveling speed they might suffer, due to hard time killing mobs solo
grizzled latch
@vernal swallow most trees won't be able to be chopped down, the ones you can chop down look diffrent enough that you can get used to figuring out which ones can and can't be chopped.
ruby swift
@vernal swallow Not any tree. You can hear Steven asking. "Anyone see a tree I can cut down" then as he approaches one you see sparkles and the E prompt.
full scroll
How will the secondary class even impact you? Will it give you new spells? Increase stats?
umbral forge
it creates a new class
grizzled latch
Secondaries alter the spells you currently have, change the functionality of them in minor and significant ways
cloud nymph
@full scroll the secondary class arch will "augment" the abilites you already have. Like if you have charge as a tank and you spec into mage as secondary you might be able to "augment" that charge to teleport instead :)
grizzled latch
There are options within thoes alterations, one necromancer might be completely diffrent from another in their choices
full scroll
Yeah, I'm interested in two combination thus far, one of them being a tank and a cleric to make a paladin, I'm just afraid that without a group I wouldn't be able to barely do anything..
red jetty
I mean in this game
you will almost gurenteed need a group
if oyu want to go anywhere
grizzled latch
Pure healers still do damage enough to solo content so you will be fine
golden lintel
i have a question if thats cool
golden lintel
should my guild only take one race ?
golden lintel
lol
grizzled latch
That should be a discussion to be honest
golden lintel
i like you @red jetty
red jetty
oWo
golden lintel
ok cool
red jetty
but yeah to asnwer your question
you dont have too
but it looks cooler if you do
the node
your guild works in
will take an apearance of the race that contributes the most xp/quests/recources to the node
golden lintel
ohh ok so if i pick one race then the node looks different ?
unkempt depot
Will there be cheese in the game?
red jetty
@unkempt depot yes
unkempt depot
Will we be able to chrun butter by using our mouse to make circular motions and stuff?
crimson canopy
^ Real questions
red jetty
@unkempt depot there is an entire cooking branch and with how heavily important the artisan classes are it should have fucing cheese of all foods
cloud nymph
@golden lintel yeah, lets say you are a guild of dwarfs and you gain most xp to The node, it will look like a dwarven city
quick tinsel
Is there an illusionist class in Ashes? Like Mesmer in GW2?
red jetty
@quick tinsel sort of
unkempt depot
Wow, so the races of the city will impact what it looks like?
woeful vector
How to change name in AOC forums?
cloud nymph
Yes
golden lintel
i love this game already and i dont play MMO games
red jetty
@golden lintel to answer your question earlier
sweet blade
same lol
unkempt depot
I want this game so badly
quick tinsel
@red jetty which one is it?
red jetty
@golden lintel your race dosnt really matter that much in terms of guild stuff but you have to keep in mind that a race gives your a race mount racial abilites and again the race that contributes the most stuff into the node makes the node have the architecture of the race
so it would be much much cooler to have a majority race guild
or group
but it dosnt really matter
in neccecity terms anyways
crimson canopy
Will a node stay at the current race for architecture as it tiers up? So like if you get your tier 1 node and it's dwarvish (don't know races in this game yet) and a bunch of humans come in and contribute it to the next level will it be dwarvish or human at tier 2?
half nova
i just really hope each mayor will be considerate when it comes to tax rates
red jetty
@crimson canopy human
half nova
imagine going into a server where every node is 100% tax rate lol
crimson canopy
Ah okay interesting! Thank you
half nova
yeah.... damn
quick tinsel
Me included
crimson canopy
Also how do taxes work? Is it just currency that's taxable or can you tax goods like harvest yields?
red jetty
but you can only be a mayor for one month before reelection
full scroll
Maybe not even all cities will have taxes
half nova
that'll be very strenuous months then lol
quick tinsel
I want to role play as a tyrant mayor
red jetty
@full scroll some might but its incredibly unlikely
full scroll
I'm up for taxes
haughty turret
For the elections of a scientific dwarf city, I can already imagine that the dwarves will categorically refuse that a character of another race be the mayor 😄
half nova
oh but taxes work like if you buy a weapon for 20g, you'll have to pay 40g to get it instead
grizzled latch
If you set no taxes then the town will degrade
half nova
oh really?
red jetty
yeah
grizzled latch
There are upkeep costs that have to be paid
half nova
thats what i think when i hear about taxes lol
crimson canopy
^ That's what I assumed too
south field
I bought alpha 2 and I don't know what I'm meant to have done/be doing. I haven't gotten anything apart from a conformation that I payed for the alpha 2 package. Should I submit a request for intrepid studios support team on the website or ask someone to help explain the legal stuff I need to know here in discord?
half nova
yeah, buit imagine 100% rate lol
crimson canopy
Can we get a 200% tax rate option please?
red jetty
it would be too gamebreaking and would just make players in the node hate the game for a bit
crimson canopy
That's be quality
half nova
i remember seeing the pre-alpha and steven put on 100%, or at least up to that higher stand point
red jetty
?
cloud nymph
@south field i think you will get an email with info closer to alpha 2 :)
haughty turret
If the taxe rate is so high , all the players would leave the city and become a citizen of another node anyway
red jetty
mabye im wrong about that
south field
@cloud nymph thankyou
crimson canopy
That's true. I think there should at least be the option of 100%
red jetty
im pretty sure if its anything like any game with taxes
crimson canopy
Even if it's a bad thing to do
umbral forge
dont they select a new mayor every month tho?
red jetty
itl be like what I said
@umbral forge yes they do
@umbral forge I love the different types of elections for each node type as well thats awesome
umbral forge
yea i like it a lot 🙂
half nova
im just worried is all, if it works out that ill be happy. but i just hope i'll find a reasonable mayor lol
red jetty
@half nova I mean there will be bad mayors
ruby swift
@half nova What you don't hear is why. They were trying to get gold to upgrade a node function and the node didnt have gold, so he cranked it and told the other GMs to go buy expensive mounts so the node would have revenue, he then turned it back down.
red jetty
@ruby swift thats what I thought the 100% made no sense
haughty turret
I was wondering, let's imagine, two big guilds joining together and their combined strength makes this alliance insurmountable by the rest of the server. Is there anything in place should this ever happen? It could block the smooth running of the game for pvp and make the experience less interesting for other players.
unkempt depot
is there a brewing class?
ruby swift
It will not make it to 100% available for live launch. Atlas tried the same thing with their claimed islands. And literally everyone cranked it to 100%, two weeks later it was max 30% on pvp and max 20% on pve.
wind storm
i would guess taxes would work on all goods flowing through the economy like you sell plants that be taxed or buy same taxed like real world works
red jetty
@haughty turret I mean if there are only 2 big guilds in the server
half nova
ok cool
red jetty
@haughty turret that would be a little weird
unkempt depot
when are we gonna see the first metropolis
red jetty
@unkempt depot as in an artisan class?
unkempt depot
ya
red jetty
@unkempt depot we already have
@unkempt depot yes there is a brewing artiasn class within the cooking class
grizzled latch
Metros are gonna take more than a month to pop up without gm cheats
haughty turret
@red jetty I mean, steven mentionned he had a 14k guild in lineage 2, naturally guild size will be smaller in this game, so what if the guild in lineage split up in like 5 smaller guild and for some reason they all control the castles and cities while being allied
half nova
@haughty turret thats what sieges are for, everyone will gang up on them to get control of the city
wind storm
or split ups and control ajacent nodes
red jetty
@haughty turret that would be impossible
@haughty turret if a castle got attacked it takes multiple hours to get from one castle to another on foot without a mount
@haughty turret it would be destroyed/taken over before anyone of the aliance could get there
@haughty turret or at least the battle would be over
wind storm
yea i can see that
red jetty
also for anyone who dosnt know what a metropolis looks like
haughty turret
@red jetty Ok thanks, that's a relief
red jetty
this is what a vaelune metropolis looks like
haughty turret
Actually do we know what the maximum guild size will be ?
haughty turret
Ok ty
cloud nymph
300 is max and you dont have the "passive benefits" if you choose to expand to that many.
unkempt depot
can people keep you out of their guild if they dont like you?
red jetty
@cloud nymph true forgot about that
@unkempt depot you have to be invited to a guild
you cant just join one
but if you mean can someone kick if you got invited by someone else
it depends on how well organized the guild is
unkempt depot
I see
cloud nymph
So a guild with 90 People that "specs" into the benefits can beat the guild with 300 members
silver beacon
So I know there's going to be a cash shop for cosmetics, but will there also be a transmog/glamour system for in-game gear as well? Or will cosmetic armors be restricted to extra paid content?
wind storm
yea i hope people be wanting to get into a guild, i reckon screening process
red jetty
@cloud nymph true
unkempt depot
could a 5 man guild with benefits beat a 300 guild?
red jetty
@unkempt depot fuc no I mean mabye but very unlikely
ruby swift
Only if they name themselves Sparta
unkempt depot
where is info on artisan quests
unkempt depot
ty
red jetty
np
unkempt depot
I just wonder if some artisan classes are ognna be worse than others if we don't even know what they can make
split path
hey, any idea when this month's pre order packages are released?
unkempt depot
I want to be a master artisan
ruby swift
Aug 5th 11am pst
wind storm
i would hope gulds would co-op with each other for node pogression
red jetty
@unkempt depot every artisan class in theory will be as important as others
cloud nymph
Prob not 5 😂 but i think guilds have talents that you spec into, so you can choose between passive benefits or expand more members etc.
Vs a 300 Member guild (unless they are terrible) i guess you Would need about half, maybe a bit less to beat them in a siege, but who knows.. We have to wait and see 👍
red jetty
@unkempt depot or thats interprids goal
red jetty
@unkempt depot yes and kinda no
ruby swift
Correct, since one is gathering and the other processing
Wait, maybe brewer is crafting. But the point still stands.
wind storm
you have to have all guild almost online to seige that can be a problem
red jetty
@unkempt depot you can become an absolute master in only one artisan class but you can still get relatively good at other artisan classes
also if anyone is looking for a guild my guild Of Conquest is recruiting for aoc when it comes out dm me if you want to join
ruby swift
You can look at it like this. You need 200 points to master an artisan class. You can only earn 300 points. So you can master gathering, and get master fishing, and spend some points to climb up another branch of that tree to get master mining, but then you dont have enough points to master lumber. Or you could master fishing, and then put another 100 points to climb to the middle of processing. (all numbers are guesses and have not been confirmed)
red jetty
@ruby swift from what I know you can only truley master one artisan class
@ruby swift you cant "master" more than one artisan class
steven has said this multiple times
ruby swift
Yes, but you can master multiple professions in that artisan class
wind storm
i was wondering about the actual stats on your character for say a rogue or say cleric what is best combination to really make you strong in your class
red jetty
gathering isnt considered an artisan class by itself
ruby swift
Yes it is
ruby swift
sec...gotta go get quotes
red jetty
that wouldnt make anysense from everything ive been reading
ruby swift
Steven 😇07/29/2020
Multiple professions (not all in an artisan branch, but multiple) can be mastered. But only 1 of the artisan paths can be mastered
3 days ago
frail solar
there are 3 types of artisan paths: gathering, processing and crafting
unkempt depot
Can you abandon an artisan path to redo another one?
ruby swift
Well scroll up and read my explanation, cause that is what I have it as.
red jetty
@unkempt depot yes but you will lose almost all points in it
wind storm
so is it like only the armoer in that path is the mastery pur say
red jetty
@unkempt depot you will have to start over from almost scratch depending on how far you pregressed
unkempt depot
@red jetty I want to do the one that is the most cool and makes money and people want.
crystal beacon
Is it true there will not be any traditional party finder? Like the one from ffxiv or guild wars 2 to find dungeons and parties easier?
red jetty
@unkempt depot people will want every type of artisan class
ruby swift
Yes, most people will not choose the uncool and makes you poor ones.
small pecan
@crystal beacon correct!
there's a tavern system where people can gather to group up, but they just serve as hubs for interaction
crystal beacon
Wouldn't it make the process of finding dungeon party overly complicated and lengthy?
small pecan
it forces interaction and friendship! either have to make some friends or work hard to get into one
ruby swift
There will be local job boards at inns and node towns to help people with grouping beyond the normal zone chat spam of "LF1 mitigation tank for Rock Candy Mountain. Gear is ilvl 200 drops, must have ilvl 300 to apply" bullshit.
small pecan
so you'll stick together and interact more!
wind storm
well that helps tavern system, launching point sounds good
red jetty
the tavern system is way more complicated if we are talking about player owned taverns
ocean bluff
Did they actually officially abandon APOC testing? Somebody quoted Steven about this, but the Wiki still has it in the release schedule.
small pecan
@ocean bluff not abandoned! theoretically will come back
ruby swift
Yes, there are multiple progression systems to a tavern. Buffs, map table (scrapped currently) and other services.
wind storm
APO?
red jetty
@ocean bluff so Apoc from what I know wasnt going to be an actual game other than the miltary node elecetion sytem
ruby swift
small pecan
@red jetty yea, at this point none of it will be in the final game! military will have its own champion mode thing, though I guess that might be a BR
red jetty
the military node election is a battle royal through a champion you train yourself
ocean bluff
I know what APOC is ... I was asking about the discrepancy of the quote provided by Unknown and the Wiki.
red jetty
so its not actually your player
ruby swift
Proposed system, not final. Could end up being champion duels. Options are still being discussed.
crystal beacon
So, if someone has a limited time during the day, or have kids etc. And has only about 1.5h of playtime during the day, he needs to spend 20/30 of them to find a party? it seriously doesn not make sense for me 😦 but thanks for the info
ruby swift
@crystal beacon No, you will build relationships over time. Community based game. If you are looking for the log in, hit random groupfinder and play with people you don't know, then yes, Ashes might not be for you.
red jetty
@crystal beacon if you find a guild or other friends fiding a dugeon to play will take at most 10 mins
yeah if you cant go with making relationships with other players id say this isnt the game for you going on what unknown said
cloud nymph
@crystal beacon i guess over time you will find friends ingame, maybe a guild and you will have a lot of People that want to do dungeons etc :)
Oh u answered above, hehe...
ruby swift
There are many ways of solo progression for those with limited time. And they are introducing the family system to make getting together for content faster for those that don't have hours to play at a time. Someone else in your "family" goes to the dungeon while you are offline. Then at say 8pm when everyone has an hour or two, you log on and get summoned to that family member.
chilly temple
Apologies if this has already been answered, are OCE servers going to be stood up from the getgo or once the demand is there?
ruby swift
But for those that don't build those relationships Ashes is going to be a hard game.
At launch.
red jetty
@chilly temple from the getgo there are servers for every major region
ruby swift
@chilly temple
chilly temple
thanks team 🙂
crystal beacon
Well TL&DR I'm a disabled person, I have a lot of issues with my health that require imitate action or I can literarily die, but I love MMOS. I never felt excluded when playing Guild wars 2 or FFXIV, it was easy to spend as much time as I need, and it is sad to know that yeah, ashes might not be for me 😦
wind storm
well at lauch just start seeing some peeps and run near them get to know folks me and wife did that on wow back in the day
ruby swift
They will have several options for those with disabilities. We have several in the community already. But I doubt they will be able to counter the need for immediate action.
crystal beacon
I mean, I'll give it a try, maybe I'm overacting, but when I heard the info about finding parties from Peon's video after 3 years of being on forums and following the progress of the game, having a lot of faith in the project and being one of the backers, it was kind of sad.
strong drum
Question with races and starting areas - if i pick dwarf and my mate picks a different race will be start together or will be be like wow where each race has their own start area?
ruby swift
@strong drum any race can start at any portal
strong drum
amazing thank you
wind storm
what about the stat setup on the character is it easy to understand what is best number balance needed for your particular class
red jetty
@wind storm can you go on a little bit what do you mean by that
wind storm
say you pick a fighter is endurance or what other stats best tor my class
red jetty
@wind storm I havnt done too much research on stats so Ima be real I dont know any of the stats
@wind storm but what I can say without knowing any of them is that it will heavily depend on what subclass you have
wind storm
yea i looked at it earlier and didn't understand the setup on the armor setup stat shown with it
can we reset them if we really mess it up
red jetty
I mean if its like darksouls which from what Im hearing from you it is
then im just going to assume you can reset them since steven seems like the type of person who wouldnt want your character locked on shit and just make the game unfun
type of person steven is*
wind storm
yea i would think hope they go over that a little soon and if not i find out in beta
full scroll
They need another ama about classes 😄
ruby swift
Stats are locked by racial selection and are augment by gear. You don't move them up and down manually except through that.
red jetty
oh okay
wind storm
hummm...
ruby swift
Correct. Probably wont until all 9 are done.
keen ice
when can we expect the non NDA alpha 1 to start seeing content creators make vids?
red jetty
welp gtg have a good night folks
ruby swift
When Steven feels it is ready.
cloud nymph
Gn
keen ice
ah so no set date yet?
wind storm
seeing gameplay sooner the better
misty condor
strong drum
showing gameplay too early can be a double edged sword
ruby swift
Nope, but once package holders are in that would be the point. Since that indicates full A1 release start and there is no NDA for that. Could be sooner, but they have not given a date. Intrepid only gives dates they are sure of.
cloud nymph
Sounded like the alpha 1 will launch soon though, think they mentioned august on yesterdays stream
ruby swift
That is pre A1 testing with limited backer tiers. PI and LoM
cloud nymph
Oh
strong drum
why did he mention sending out NDA's to be signed for alpha 1 if its under no NDA
wind storm
did i hear a hopeful hint as later this year
slim dagger
they are singing an NDA about there being no NDA
ruby swift
New tier of testers of LoM are required to sign the NDA.
strong drum
confusing lol
ruby swift
Since they are participating in pre A1 testing that is still under NDA
ruby swift
Yes, the full A1 release start will not be until the fall. Fall in northern hemisphere ends Dec 21st. They have a whole mess of time before they are "late" on the "A1 by fall" promise.
full scroll
Will rangers need to buy ammunition? 
ruby swift
No
slim dagger
Every. Single. Arrow.
wind storm
hey good folks and future gaming friends got to run have a good night and day
pliant ocean
Steven said during the last livestream that Alpha 1 will be "Late Fall". So probably end of Nov/Dec most likely.
cloud nymph
Cya @wind storm
pliant ocean
But They also said they are ahead of schedule. So we could see it sooner, maybe.
full scroll
So like live would be around spring 2021 then? 😄
ruby swift
It entirely depends on how the expanded testing goes. If the servers melt or encounter unexpected issues, could be delayed. That is development. If everything is butter smooth, could be sooner. There is no way for them to tell atm.
pliant ocean
A2 will probably be Spring 2021. Is my best guess.
But we also don't know how long they plan to be in A1
ruby swift
@full scroll There are 3 more testing phases after A1 to go. Live launch is a long way away.
pliant ocean
A2 is what you want if you want to play early. Because it is the only testing phase that will have persistent severs that will go until launch.
errant chasm
a2 will still have wipes tho
pliant ocean
^
ruby swift
They have production timelines that have dates internally that they have said they are meeting for all the different systems. While it is easy to focus on the faces you see in the livestreams, remember there is a hefty team of around 70 plus people and more being added all the time.
All testing phases will have wipes.
strong drum
Question on races and freeholds - is everyplayers freehold default appearance the same (excluding ofcourse cosmetics) or will a players race make the default freehold builds in that races style?
ruby swift
And a final wipe before launch.
pliant ocean
Race will likely have a bearing on your freehold default look
strong drum
awesome
ruby swift
@strong drum I believe it is racial. Based off of your race.
pliant ocean
There are skins present that allow you to change that though
ruby swift
Not the the nodes.
strong drum
yeah apart from cosmetics you buy and apply - i was hoping my freeholds default would be dunir or wahtever it is
ruby swift
Yes, there will truly be some horrible looking mismatch freeholds out there. Don't forget the candy store.
strong drum
hahaha yeah there will be some ugly fun parks for sure
ruby swift
And remember, most skins will not be static, they have animations and flair. Going to be disco light time on some.
strong drum
even better
im a fantasy buff so lights and glows and animations and anything like that im a fan of
ruby swift
Glad to see you are feeling better about your purchase. Did you get a refund or receive an answer from customer service different than the one I gave you earlier? Need to know if anything has changed policywise and I just have not seen it.
strong drum
Nah ticket is still outstanding but im an adult and got over my tantrum essentially
games too good to be mad over a skin
ruby swift
All right, if any of the information I gave you turns out to be false let me know right away through a DM or something. Just passing along what I have been told, but sometimes stuff gets missed.
strong drum
i shall let you know if they can help me 🙂 otherwise itll just be a refund and ill buy a pack in full properly this time haha
umbral forge
how "smooth" is the movement in the current stage of the game? if u had to rate it between, idk pubg and world of warcraft?
mystic notch
I really hope some crazy thing happens that allows them to release earlier
The animations look really nice
umbral forge
looks and feels are different things tho 😦
pliant ocean
I love how you put pubg as the low bench mark. 
mystic notch
Haha
umbral forge
haha, am i wrong for putting pubg in the low end? 😄
pliant ocean
From the latest livestream, the combat looks like it is getting better. They still have a lot of work to go on the combat system. But I am sure it will feel fairly good. They are focusing a lot of time on accomplishing exactly that.
mystic notch
I wonder if their timeline accounts for getting more employees
ruby swift
That is one of the inherent dangers of open development, and one of the bonuses. People see it warts and all, and some can't get over that. But others help make it better.
umbral forge
movement wise i dont think ive played an MMO game that felt as smooth as world of warcraft just in how accurate and quickly the character responded to the inputs
ruby swift
@mystic notch Yes, and covid has impacted that. For example with the increase in work from home. Those with the necessary web front and backend experience to fix their store and other issues are in high demand.
strong drum
WoW is boring af but i agree its fluid is unmatched
mystic notch
Gotcha
umbral forge
ye its became extremely boring (i havent touched it in quite a few years now tho) but the combat was allways good
mystic notch
They have been EXTREMELY quiet about release date which makes me think it’s either going to be way earlier or later than expected
ruby swift
I can't say either way.
full scroll
Lol, I got wow and turns out you gotta' pay 40 more euros for the current xpac, that's what turned me away from it.
mystic notch
Yeah only time will tell
pliant ocean
They only put out timelines for stages they know they can meet.
They probably have an idea of how long they want A1 to last. But until they get into it, I doubt we get a timeline for A2
ruby swift
Yes, they are a growing company and there have been some stumbles. They have learned that not giving dates creates some uncertainty, but giving dates and not hitting them is worse.
umbral forge
i would rather have them not rush it to meet a deadline
mystic notch
Agreed
Is it common for MMOs to have persistent pre-release tests? The only MMO I’ve really got into is ESO and I got in to that late so I don’t know much about the early stages
ruby swift
No, not common
sly monolith
how many btc coins i need to donate to launch tomorrow?
ruby swift
As many as you want. I will send you the address
pliant ocean
More money wont release it faster imo. I am sure Steven has more money if He needed it.
left fjord
Is AoC launching on steam? Or their own place?
mystic notch
My
left fjord
My?
left fjord
Never heard of that
mystic notch
Me either
weak mantle
If a corrupt player hits a civilian healer and the healer heals himself, does that flag him as a combatant?
left fjord
Hm
left fjord
Poor eu lmao
ruby swift
My.Games actually
umbral forge
you mean does the healer flag himself for healing himself? @weak mantle
weak mantle
Yeah
ruby swift
You do not flag for healing yourself
umbral forge
i dont think so?
wide temple
So can their be more than two nodes doing a siege to one another and is their world war mechanic where multiple nodes challenge the metropolis leveled node in order to progress to metropolis level and if not will their be a impentation of that in the near future where the game can handle even more players
pliant ocean
That, we will have to wait for more information on. But they might? be able to have 2 sieges happening at the same time. They would just happen on different parts of the map. So they wouldn't really effect each other all that much. That I can see anyways.
It is very likely, however, that they implement some sort of block that prevents you from sieging two nodes within the same zone of influence though.
But idk if that has been confirmed or not
ruby swift
Not that I know of either. If you meet the conditions to craft and drop the scroll the declaration goes.
wide temple
Can you make more than one declaration scroll and could you declare the scroll on two separate nodes to create some sort of threeway siege
ruby swift
Don't know, they could easily make it so one person could only have one quest active.
One scroll one node
open knot
Will the crafting System work the way that you get, let me say t1 ore and you smelt it into t1 bars than for t2 bars you Need t2 ores and t1 bars and for t3 bars you need t3 ore and t2 bars
umbral forge
werent sieges just meant for metropolises? or can you siege any node?
ruby swift
I know you have to drop the scroll within sight of the node walls.
Any node level 3 and above can be sieged
umbral forge
ok
ruby swift
Unless on cooldown from a previous failed attempt
@open knot Unknown at this time
See what I did there
open knot
Oh ok.
wide temple
I know the games is gonna have some sort of thieves guild so will their be a pickpocket or lock picking mechanic
ruby swift
Yes, but for npcs, not players
static nest
are you able to do flipping in the marketplace?
ruby swift
Back or front flips?
wide temple
The emote flipping ?
pliant ocean
@static nest Certainly.
static nest
ty
umbral forge
this game has so many things going on at the same time that its hard to grasp what its gonna end being (at least for me)
ruby swift
A lot of fun?
umbral forge
potentially 😄 if it all works out
pliant ocean
Despite the blocks in place, there will be a decent amount of open world PKs. Mostly targeting gatherers. There will also be need for protectors to guard the PVEers. So this game you will see a lot of PVP specialists/ PKers/ and Bounty Hunters.
That is what I expect the game to be like.
ruby swift
It will start to come together faster and faster barring any core system snags (which hopefully they caught last year). Think of a big multi room factory making lego blocks. In each room there is a group making their type of block. Right now they have the base plate and some bricks added around the edges. As people finish their bricks they keep throwing them on at an increasing pace. They don't need to add a brick, stop, build a brick, add another. It will all come together. They have been spending a majority of the time to make sure there is nothing blocking the people from coming to the main floor to place their bricks.
burnt nymph
Will there be delay for alpha 1 due to covid 19 ? And will they add alot of things in alpha 1 that they didn’t show on the stream today ?
pliant ocean
The studio has actually been more productive during the Covid crisis. A1 will likely be out by End of November/December.
umbral forge
the pvp system somewhat reminds me of oldschool runescapes deadman mode
ruby swift
The delay to A1 has already occurred. The fall target is the result.
burnt nymph
👍
grim breach
About 9 months
mystic notch
Jeez
mystic notch
Could have been 9 months closer to launch 😦 glad they didn’t find it later though
grim breach
Well in fact, they said working from home since COVID made them much more productive
ruby swift
Yes, because saying that covid has screwed them would not be a good look.
clear sedge
Funny how working from home makes people more productive
toxic current
Will spells have a reagent cost?
ruby swift
Nope
toxic current
thats too bad
ruby swift
Mana
faint needle
Hey! Steven in an interview said that one way to lose your corruption level is to die but you will lose some of your gear. So is it possible to kill low levels all morning, get highly corrupted then ask your friend to "hey, come here, kill me, loot my stuff and give it back to me when i resurrect just to quickly lose my corruption level without punishment"?
small pecan
@faint needle yep!
ruby swift
Nope. Because when you die you are respawned randomly in the node. There is no guarantee of gear drop or which item. By the time you meet up again you will have BH and others all over you since by your example you spent a morning ganking lowbies, so everyone is going to know and be gunning for your dumb ass.
small pecan
It’s a risk vs reward in getting the corruption in the first place. And that bounty hunters tracking you May show up
woeful vector
The caveat to corruption is that you’re going to be outnumbered 1000:1 when you become corrupt due to the bounty system
ruby swift
And one death does not clear all corruption. Multiple deaths for higher levels.
small pecan
Soo technically you can do that; but, as Unknown said, very tricky!
grim breach
And dying accrue exp debt
faint needle
Cool, thank you for the answers!
ruby swift
There will be a way to close the loophole. Maybe the gear drop will occur on respawn. We are going to close all them during testing. There is a whole crew whose focus is corruption loopholes and making that sphincter watertight.
silk fractal
hello, the current highest package available is 375$ which gives access to alpha test 2, was there ever a package that gave access to alpha test 1?
small pecan
Yes, V! Just no longer available. Something similar may come back in the future though
ruby swift
Yes, a $500 that ended in Aug 2018
pearl grove
Will there be macros you can create in-game?
ruby swift
Simple macros, not complex that will automate gameplay.
pearl grove
Is there some documentation on that?
ruby swift
Sec
limpid heath
So what can you do in the current pre-Alpha character creator? I'm just curious how small you can make the Dwarf races.
void vortex
PLEASE Intrepid Studio, don't put angry mushrooms in your game, dont want a new mangalike game...please....is it possible ?
silk fractal
is it possible to upgrade your package from one another if I got the 375$ one?
silk fractal
also is alpha test 2 a type of alpha that is locked to small periods or it will be access from X to X without time restriction and not just weekends stress test type of things?
toxic current
Do we know how many spells there will be per class?
glad sleet
@toxic current you will be able to have up to 30 skills equipped
Note total number is skills is unknown
small pecan
@void vortex mushrooms are already confirmed! But they’re not manga-like at all? Just overgrown, mobile mushrooms
void vortex
@limpid heath yes in the video of march, there were several creatures, and these were big mushrooms who were attacking characters
ruby swift
@pearl grove This Macros
The issue with macros is that from an anti cheat metric perspective it's difficult to define what a macro is against a script. And in order to catch all scripts sometimes you have to prevent the macro usage. So really that's a that's a data issue. If we allow for macros then we lose our ability to precisely ban script users, botters.[98] – Steven Sharif and this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/414097423716188162/734075119865036840/unknown.png
void vortex
@small pecan 😦 ok ...
pearl grove
Hmm that sounds more like "no macros" to me or am I wrong?
ruby swift
@limpid heath Right now height slider is not in game, will be later
small pecan
@silk fractal alpha 2 is persistent!
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Alpha-2
ruby swift
@silk fractal If you are at $375 you are as high as you can go atm.
small pecan
Amdur, basically no macros! I don’t recall them saying they can have any macros at all, but Unknown probably knows better
ruby swift
@pearl grove Read the screenshot I gave you too. Halfway down.
full scroll
Multiple characters on the same server will be a thing right?
small pecan
Yes!
pearl grove
Oh totally missed that, thanks alot @ruby swift !
full scroll
So I can have my like farmer and then a processor or whatever they were called
small pecan
Ya!
ruby swift
Alts are a thing. A "comfortable amount" is the quote
pearl grove
Is there something like "auto-follow" then? So I could stick a Bard to my main character for example?
silk fractal
@small pecan okay thank you, and in what phase are we right now? I assume pre alpha 1? so a while still before alpha 2 is available?
ruby swift
You would need to ask @dark jungle I know follow has been talked about but can't remember the specific.
@silk fractal yes, no date for A2 currently
glad sleet
That also brings the question if multi boxing will be allowed
silk fractal
is there a date for alpha 1?
small pecan
Correct on both accounts! Alpha 1 starting this year, Alpha 2 prob next year, but nothing official!
glad sleet
Fall 2020 a1
crystal flax
I'm pretty sure they said there was no follow option
ruby swift
Multiboxing is being discussed. Stay tuned.
Yeah Volpur. I know it was talked about. I just can't remember what the outcome was.
small pecan
Just ask yourself if Lineage or ArcheAge had a follow, and that’s probably the answer 😅
full scroll
How come Steven's like a god damn millionaire?
ruby swift
That is brilliant. Good call
ruby swift
He started out selling juice on a website at 15, then spun that money into real estate and the stock market. There are multiple articles going about years in the San Diego area about him in business. Even some wedding photos. The internet is a wonderful thing.
small pecan
Yup! Lives there with his dogs and spouse 😄
pearl grove
Well since I'm still playing Lineage 2 (started 2004) I love that Steven is so into it! 😄
grizzled latch
Oh yeah forgot about the juice thing
ruby swift
Never forget the juice!
silk fractal
would anyone who's super knowledgeable about the game stance on a bunch of things be okay with me dming to ask a shitload of questions haha?
grizzled latch
Have you browsed the wiki or ashes 101?
Lots of documented information out already
ruby swift
You can ask them here. I do DMs too, but then I miss stuff here.
silk fractal
I just don't want to clutter this place because I have a lot of questions
but I can try
ruby swift
The wiki and Ashes101 are great sources. I go from memory and can make mistakes. But they are rare enough to be celebrated when I do.
ruby swift
Solid making me work for it today
ruby swift
I am going afk for 5, will come back to the wall of ?
small pecan
Not like anyone scrolls here regardless 😓
full scroll
I just Ctrl+F
small pecan
Ahead of the game then!
warm glacier
Will there also be PvE servers? Without the Flagging for PvP but with the guild wars / sieges
grizzled latch
No
small pecan
No PvE servers! PvP is a critical part of world building that can’t be removed
grizzled latch
The game would be severely broken if the involuntary pvp was removed. Contested resources are a major driving force of the game
grizzled latch
A large wall is comming
ruby swift
The Nights Watch is ready
pliant ocean
Brace yourself. Text wall is coming.
limpid heath
@limpid heath Right now height slider is not in game, will be later
@ruby swift Okay. Thanks for letting me know. Would be interesting if they let you go really small. Then again Dwarves aren't Gnomes so not too much. I guess if you want to be a Gnome's height you might need to be a Tulnar.
Would be interesting if you could be as small as six inches. Now that would be interesting if only for the memes. Imagine a six inch gnome warrior charging at you and beating you with a giant sword.
Then again I think the smallest I've see in an MMO is two to three feet.
silk fractal
Is the game full open world pvp?
Can you flag on anyone you want(ofc I expect repercussion in the form of a karma/jail system)
are the dungeons always open world pvp or is there some instanced ones as well?
is there raids?
How is the game exactly customizable from a tab targeting/action combat mmo, is there advantages to going action combat versus tab targetting?
Is it real action combat or it's just aiming at a target and it auto aims?
Is there some form of drop on death?
I see flying mounts in the twitch vods is it just a gm type of thing to get to places faster to show us or there will be some for players too?(it often destroy open world pvp)
Will there be arena pvp like 1v1/2v2/3v3?
How do you get gear/currency in AoC? Grinding? Lifeskills? Dungeons? Raids?
Is there battlegrounds? or is the game fully open world pvp with no instances(kinda the same question as about for dungeons)
With the whole node for pvp war, etc. Does it happen naturally in the world at any time(so have to guard them in real time a la rust or it's more like siege in a game like AA/bdo where you show up at X time which the war happens?)
Are the class a mix of both class completely or it's mainly 1st class + some skill of the secondary class?
I see that skins are not available to be bought anymore? Maybe I have an account from 2018(without a pack) if I bought a pack on that account I'd be able to buy whatever I want that I missed?? + possibly better packs than current ones?
Lastly is there a link to a place with all the possible info about the game where I can read more in details if the answers to these questions make me interested in the game(I was sure I believe in the project until I saw vod of the state of the game, which makes me more comfy to maybe dive into it and spend money now, looking mostly at the 375$ pack rn), Thank you and sorry for the wall of text/also not a girl, the picture is a kpop singer).
ruby swift
Racial heights will have a range.
Is the game full open world pvp? Yes
Can you flag on anyone you want(ofc I expect repercussion in the form of a karma/jail system)
Yes, there is a corruption system
are the dungeons always open world pvp or is there some instanced ones as well?
is there raids? Content is 80% open and 20% instanced. Dungeons and Raids.
small pecan
For your last point, check the wiki!
https://ashesofcreation.wiki
It’s really the best resource out there and tons of fun to trawl through!
limpid heath
Racial heights will have a range.
@ruby swift I know that but the Tulnar are supposed to be really customizable so will probably be the one you can be the smallest with like the example I gave of a gnome or you could make one a goblin.
silk fractal
sounds good thanks @small pecan
ruby swift
How is the game exactly customizable from a tab targeting/action combat mmo, is there advantages to going action combat versus tab targetting? You can choose to got either action or tab in you selected skills with a cap of 75/25% either way.
small pecan
Class system = pick primary archetype. Can’t change it. Get abilities from it. Pick secondary archetype. That one offers “augments” to your skills already that change functionality and flavor
wild marsh
odd question but has any of the staff ever stated why Bard and Tank combo makes a Siren, and not something like Bard and Rogue for example. I don't really understand the thought process behind it (Love sirens and think it's cool, but kind of confused on why tank)
ruby swift
Is it real action combat or it's just aiming at a target and it auto aims? Action combat is still being developed.
midnight crag
Where is the tunlar archecture images at i need to know what to attack
ruby swift
Is there some form of drop on death?On death in pvp you can drop a percentage of gathered and processed goods based on flagging state.
small pecan
For cosmetics you can’t buy anymore: a ton of those were offered exclusively for a limited period; unobtainable even for kickstarters!
wild marsh
@midnight crag I don't think there are any
small pecan
@wild marsh, just the direction they decided they wanted to take it in! I’m not sure if the class names are even final at this point
ruby swift
I see flying mounts in the twitch vods is it just a gm type of thing to get to places faster to show us or there will be some for players too?(it often destroy open world pvp) Flying is extremely rare and limited. The videos are GM powers getting around those systems. Even the testers you see in the May/June tests had GM powers.
silk fractal
I was asking that question based on this https://ashesofcreation.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043211133 @small pecan
midnight crag
Going to be honest i think they ran out of real work stuff to copy and are postponing it to figure something out last
ruby swift
Will there be arena pvp like 1v1/2v2/3v3? Yes on arenas. No 2v2s. 1v1 3v3 5v5 and 20 ffa planned.
How do you get gear/currency in AoC? Grinding? Lifeskills? Dungeons? Raids? All of those.
limpid heath
I'm pretty sure all dungeons are open world so there's PVP or at least from what I've heard.
The real question though is does entering an open world dungeon flag you as a combatant when it comes to the corruption system? It ought to since if I hear a rival guild is poaching our dungeon I want to organize a party to go purge them.
So far I haven't heard anything about that. Maybe it's on the wiki corruption page. I'll go look.
silk fractal
damn I'm really liking those answers so far
small pecan
Not all dungeons are open world! Just the super majority
silk fractal
I assume you can guild war which wouldn't use the corruption system right?
glad crag
Anyone know if anything has been said regarding how one changes their second archetype? I feel like if it's too easy it'll just turn into very apparent metagaming. If for instance people find out spellblades are way superior to bladecallers we won't see any bladecallers. I feel like there has to be some sort of commitment
ruby swift
Is there battlegrounds? or is the game fully open world pvp with no instances(kinda the same question as about for dungeons) There will be battlegrounds. How they interface with the open world has not been shown yet
sonic igloo
Does anyone know or have access to a list of the monthly pre-order skins? wondering what I've missed so far
small pecan
Guild wars do not use corruption!
wild marsh
@limpid heath I believe Steven said a few dungeons won't be open world and instance based as they will be directly related to quests. But these will be very limited from what I've gathered
silk fractal
and you can dec a guild out of nowhere right? like think bdo/tera
pliant ocean
@silk fractal
-Yes
-80% open world / 20% instanced
-Yes
-You can get UPTO 75% in either the tab targetting or action combat direction. There are advantages to both.
-On death you lose a portion of your gathered (ores and such) and refined materials (Ingots and such).
-The owners of the 5 castles, Mayors of Metropolises, and very very rare legendary boss drops will allow flying mounts. There will be no more than like 10-20 flying mounts on a server at one time.
-There are arenas. More info is to come on them in the future.
-Sieges can happen at any time. But there is a period that allows the defenders to prep (in days, and dependant on the tier of node, ie. Metropolis is 5 days)
-You start with a primary out of the 8 classes. When you hit level 25, you pick a secondary class out of those same 8 to make your 'full class'.
-Pre order pack skins are no longer purchasable once they pass. So get the ones you want while you can.
-Yes, here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
umbral forge
does anyone know how big the difference between the subclasses is? is the difference between a lets say dreadnaught and a guardian (both tank classes) vastly different or is just very subtle?
small pecan
@sonic igloo ever? https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Pre-order_packs
silk fractal
thank you @pliant ocean
quick bobcat
What would be the best place to get in touch with the team for more business/work-related communication?
ruby swift
With the whole node for pvp war, etc. Does it happen naturally in the world at any time(so have to guard them in real time a la rust or it's more like siege in a game like AA/bdo where you show up at X time which the war happens?) Node sieges are declared through a crafted scroll declaration. Costly in mats, gold, and time sink to declare. Will not be random or for shits and giggles. Sieges can only occur during peak server times after the declaration period (2-5 days based on node level) has elapsed
ruby swift
Are the class a mix of both class completely or it's mainly 1st class + some skill of the secondary class? Primary archetype gives skills, secondary augments.
sweet void
does anyone know how big the difference between the subclasses is? is the difference between a lets say dreadnaught and a guardian (both tank classes) vastly different or is just very subtle?
@umbral forge both will still play as tank. Their skills will be augmented by the 2nd class one chooses
wild marsh
@umbral forge Steven talked about this a little and said that for the most part they will be different. He used necromancer as an example, your abilities will change to summoning undead, which will change the core gameplay enough from Cleric versus most other Cleric sub classes. So I think it all depends on the combination, there may be some similar but for the most part they will have enough differences to justify one over the other.
barren flare
@sonic igloo I would just search for "pre-order pack ashes of creation" on google images
small pecan
Basically 2ndaries change the flavor and blur the lines of the trinity, but they don’t totally overwrite it
sweet void
Are the class a mix of both class completely or it's mainly 1st class + some skill of the secondary class? Primary archetype gives skills, secondary augments.
@ruby swift secondary class augments ur skills of the 1st class
wild marsh
What would be the best place to get in touch with the team for more business/work-related communication?
@quick bobcat https://ashesofcreation.com/ scroll to the bottom, and depending on what you need to contact them about "Careers, Contact Us, Etc."
ruby swift
I see that skins are not available to be bought anymore? Maybe I have an account from 2018(without a pack) if I bought a pack on that account I'd be able to buy whatever I want that I missed?? + possibly better packs than current ones? Previous packages are no longer available. Once you own a current package you can buy future cosmetics at you tier of backing and lower individually.
quick bobcat
@wild marsh Cheers, thank you!
ruby swift
Lastly is there a link to a place with all the possible info about the game where I can read more in details if the answers to these questions make me interested in the game(I was sure I believe in the project until I saw vod of the state of the game, which makes me more comfy to maybe dive into it and spend money now, looking mostly at the 375$ pack rn), Thank you and sorry for the wall of text/also not a girl, the picture is a kpop singer). The ashes of creation wiki is a great source for all the answers I just gave you, and I assumed your gender from your pfp, it happens.
umbral forge
i understand that both will still funciton as tanks, which is why i chose 2 tank classes to compare. im just worried about them being way to similar to the point where you cant tell them apart in actual gameplay.
sly monolith
the alpha 2 servers are 24/h per day up right?
sweet void
I see that skins are not available to be bought anymore? Maybe I have an account from 2018(without a pack) if I bought a pack on that account I'd be able to buy whatever I want that I missed?? + possibly better packs than current ones? Previous packages are no longer available. Once you own a current package you can buy future cosmetics at you tier of backing and lower individually.
@ruby swift packs change and thise specific skins wont be available anymore. I might get a variant of that skin on future packs but not that specific variant
pliant ocean
Think of your secondary classes as a set of colored lenses. Each will separately impact the primary class in a different way, but you are still the primary class first. So the Secondary class just changes how some of your skills will operate, but you will still have those primary skills over all the secondary classes.
ruby swift
@sweet void Those were cut and paste with answers added from a wall of text above, but thanks for helping.
full scroll
I read through V's questions and like 90% of them were answered in peons vid
sly monolith
im not gonna drop 250 pack on it if the test's are 1 or 2 days
sweet void
Yes theoritically, that is when apha1 comes out and u are able to login. Please provide feedback as much as possible
The game will depend on the community feedback
wild marsh
@umbral forge https://youtu.be/8AeuqaELjFg?t=1h05m04s watch this, it should explain it better 🙂 I can't find the one with the necromancer example, but this one is fighter which will help you better understand what it will do with tanks
sweet void
im not gonna drop 250 pack on it if the test's are 1 or 2 days
@sly monolith it will take more than that. Game is expected to be released 2022 ish
umbral forge
@wild marsh i will 🙂 thanks
glad crag
I'm worried changing second archetypes will do to ashes what happened to wow. You can change your roles on the fly with zero effort and I feel that compromises class fantasy and identity
sonic igloo
@glad crag that's what alphas and betas are for
ruby swift
@sly monolith A2 is meant to be persistent, but plans change. A1 may actually be persistent by the end of it. By persistent I mean up 24/7 with downtimes for upgrades and maintenance. There will be multiple wipes throughout the process as different testing goals are achieved or needed.
sweet void
I'm worried changing second archetypes will do to ashes what happened to wow. You can change your roles on the fly with zero effort and I feel that compromises class fantasy and identity
@glad crag u cant change on the fly. Theres a quest and currency/materials involved
limpid heath
I've been looking on the wiki and I can't find anything on whether or not entering an open world dungeon flags you as a combatant for PVP.
ruby swift
@glad crag Good news.You wont be able to change your secondary on the fly.
silk fractal
@ruby swift thank you very much for taking the time!
wild marsh
I'm worried changing second archetypes will do to ashes what happened to wow. You can change your roles on the fly with zero effort and I feel that compromises class fantasy and identity
@glad crag You won't be able to change them on the fly. It'll take a little bit to change it.
ruby swift
@limpid heath It does not. Only attacking people while in there does.
silk fractal
as for the previous skins if you read this : https://ashesofcreation.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043211133 it kinda sounds like it's possible to get them if I made an intrepid account prior to 2018 no?
ruby swift
@silk fractal Nope
sweet void
Tbh im excited how my character would look with the different type of armor meshed together.
ruby swift
That was for a very specific instance and people that had problems purchasing during that time.
So while you could claim you tried to buy a pack then and had problems, they have logs and have been not nice to people trying to cheese the system.
sly monolith
got plenty for time to decide to buy 250 pack.. alpha 2 next year so no rush imo
silk fractal
ah understood @ruby swift
also do you think there's a chance they open a pack for alpha 1 again
or probably not?
limpid heath
@limpid heath It does not. Only attacking people while in there does.
@ruby swift Where did Steven or another employee say that? I can't find anything. Or is that how it is in the pre-alpha?
ruby swift
Possibly depending on how the testing goes and if it is even needed. It is already a sore point in the community. Never a good look when you have to quibble about language to open something up. Ultimately it will come down to need over community REEEEEEEE.
exotic night
Yea and they will announce before the alpha 2 access leaves store. I’m personally waiting for a good month of cosmetics and a bit further down the line to buy
ruby swift
@limpid heath Look up the quotes concerning on becoming flagged automatically. Sec.
silk fractal
oh they will?
okay I'll wait
because this month cosmetic
are hmmm
not my favorite
sweet void
Well i have a shitty job so ill wait till it goes live 😩
ruby swift
Then wait till Aug 5th
silk fractal
is there a site where I can see all the last months cosmetics just to be sad about what I missed?
pliant ocean
These are all the previous pack cosmetics, for those interested in seeing what not to expect in future packs: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Voyager_plus_pre-order_pack#History
exotic night
Lmao welcome to the club!
silk fractal
also, this is probably not the place to talk about this but is there a place to buy old accounts of ppl that don't want to play this game anymore?
sweet void
Not allowed
exotic night
Yea unfortunately most games won’t let you do that 😦
turbid sand
Hello everyone, can you tell me how can i get access to alpha game atm? Only via buy a pack on the website?
sweet void
Hello everyone, can you tell me how can i get access to alpha game atm? Only via buy a pack on the website?
@turbid sand aloha1 is not available
silk fractal
guess I'll just have to play with what is on from now on
ruby swift
It is against their TOS and the last guy that tried it did not have a good time. They eventually gave him his money back, but he REEEEEEE about it over on the banned Discord and Twitter for days.
limpid heath
@limpid heath Look up the quotes concerning on becoming flagged automatically. Sec.
@ruby swift You're right it doesn't include dungeons. I found it on this page: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Open_world_battlegrounds
Although it would be interesting to at least test dungeons that way. Ah well.
turbid sand
@sweet void sooooo no access atm?
ruby swift
There ya go.
silk fractal
another question related to cosmetics, let's say I buy the 375$ pack rn and I assume the new one is on 5th of august since you said to wait til then
how much does it cost to buy all the cosmetic for each month
after that
like just the cosmetics
exotic night
I think I heard 115
sweet void
@sweet void sooooo no access atm?
@turbid sand alpha2 and betas are part of the pack. Although there might be a change alpha1 keys are sold again depending on how the testing goes
exotic night
Uh 115 or 125, now I’m confused haha
crystal flax
They're close enough
ruby swift
It varies month to month $115 to 125 because sometimes there is a 5 dollar difference on two of them.
exotic night
Well that’s if you buy every single cosmetic. I think you can buy them a la carte right?
turbid sand
@sweet void understood, ty very much
grizzled latch
Yeah a la carte
full scroll
I was just watching more of Steven answering questions. Asmongold asked about soulbound gear and Steven said most of the gear in AoC will not be soulbound, wouldn't that give the opportunity for shady peeps to start selling gear for irl cash?
silk fractal
so which one of you bastard has all the skins?
grizzled latch
I just get the mounts and pets for the most part
sweet void
I was just watching more of Steven answering questions. Asmongold asked about soulbound gear and Steven said most of the gear in AoC will not be soulbound, wouldn't that give the opportunity for shady peeps to start selling gear for irl cash?
@full scroll player driven economy so yeah there might be deals like that
full scroll
Yikes
limpid heath
I'm pretty sure Steven said that at least some cosmetics, I don't know if all, will have similar stuff you can earn in game. It's such that instead of a red outfit you get a purple outfit with the same model and textures.
A reskin if you will.
full scroll
Reminds me of Realm of the mad god... Bots spamming sell messages in the nexus
grizzled latch
Metrics will be tracked so irl trading will happen but prolific violators will probably be caught
sweet void
Reminds me of Realm of the mad god... Bots spamming sell messages in the nexus
@full scroll there will be active gms bringin down the hammer
silk fractal
damn the oct 2019 to nov 2019 looks so dope
sweet void
And also theres a 15$ sub that should detriment bots and gold sellers
silk fractal
oh really? @limpid heath that's cool
full scroll
Heh that's what they say for WoW as well
exotic night
Haha that’s one of the better months V
silk fractal
does that mean that you can't dye your gear in this game
sweet void
But its the community that should help in policing
ruby swift
There are measures to stop RMT in place. Those caught doing it will face increasing account actions. They have built the underlying infrastructure for reporting from the beginning unlike WoW or others that reacted after the fact. Sure, you might be able to sell a sword to your friend for $20 and get away with it once. Regular and sustained. You will be screaming about unfair ban on Reddit.
limpid heath
So if you never backed the Kickstarter campaign is it impossible to get a lifetime membership?
crystal flax
@limpid heath Correct
silk fractal
and they really investigate to make sure it doesn't happen
pliant ocean
@V There will be ways to customize your gear. Dyes are confirmed.
limpid heath
@limpid heath Correct
@crystal flax Damn.
sweet void
So if you never backed the Kickstarter campaign is it impossible to get a lifetime membership?
@limpid heath ah there is no lifetime membership i think
exotic night
Yea I really regret not buying the lifetime package when it was in Kickstarter
silk fractal
well I might of joined the project late
ruby swift
@limpid heath Lifetime sub was KS exclusive. Not happening again.
crystal flax
@sweet void There was a lifetime sub on KS
silk fractal
what was the lifetime package?
sweet void
@sweet void There was a lifetime sub on KS
@crystal flax oh the 2.5k thingy?
pliant ocean
Lifetime sub was only available to kickstarters. No longer available.
crystal flax
@sweet void No it was part of the $500 pack
exotic night
Lifetime subscription to the game V
grizzled latch
Lifetime was $500
limpid heath
I looked on the Kickstarter and it was packs $475+
ruby swift
$400 with early bird!
grizzled latch
I got mine for 485 I think
sweet void
I think steven said it was to give back to thise who took a leap of faith on the game as i recalled in one of his interviews
silk fractal
is there an idea of when name reservation will be available btw?
limpid heath
Well you have to play for two years before it starts paying for itself. Then again, if Ashes does well it could very well last a lot longer than WoW.
pliant ocean
@V it will be announced.
sweet void
Thats too rich for my blood. Thats 25k worth of currency from where i live
silk fractal
yeah I mean if you paid back then
limpid heath
Probably the same time as you are able to reserve a server.
sweet void
Well you have to play for two years before it starts paying for itself. Then again, if Ashes does well it could very well last a lot longer than WoW.
@limpid heath hopefully since mmos have become stagnant
silk fractal
you deserve all those perks
limpid heath
@sweet void Too true.
silk fractal
I personally didn't believe, hell took me until now to even consider spending money
so kudos to the ppl that did
kindred stag
How much Xsolla tax in europe ?
ruby swift
@silk fractal The have said prior to A1 for name reservation, but that quote is old. They need to have some more work done on the web account side to make it happen, and as far as I know they are still looking for the people they need for that to happen.
limpid heath
I hope they let you make at least one character at the same time you reserve a server. That way launch day would go smoother.
ruby swift
@kindred stag It is based on your countries VAT. Xsolla doesn't set it, your politicians do. So burn their house down.
silk fractal
well most games let's you reserve a name and only you will be able to use it on creation day
sweet void
I hope character creation would have a multitude of sliders. I want to play a fat elf
silk fractal
but they don't often let you create it before
oh that's a good questions
any info on character creation?
ruby swift
@silk fractal You will be able to reserve a single name on a single server. To do that they have to release the server locations, names and how many at launch. They are not there yet.
limpid heath
I'm pretty sure character sliders don't come till Alpha 2 same as when Tulnar are released.
pliant ocean
CC is suppose to be "Like BDO, but better."
sweet void
Yep theres still a year and a half of tweaking for the game
silk fractal
ight time to find a guild now maybe
limpid heath
@ruby swift Are you in the pre-alpha?
ruby swift
Yep. Most people will know their region of choice.
pliant ocean
@V Weeping Willow is taking members.
ruby swift
If you click on my name it shows my tags Vizard.
sweet void
As long as the foundation is set, im sure adding mechanics will be easier
silk fractal
yeah I'm mostly talking about which server in that region
since there will be multiple
pliant ocean
@V are you NA?
ruby swift
Yep, so until they decide that, no name reservation.
silk fractal
yes @pliant ocean
sweet void
Well im playing on an na server even if im in a sea region. Sea players are too toxic for me
limpid heath
@ruby swift Ah I see so you are. Neat. So what aren't you allowed to talk about? Or is it just video footage you aren't allowed to release?
silk fractal
they are making an australian server wouldn't that be nice for you @sweet void
ruby swift
@ruby swift So what aren't you allowed to talk about?
@limpid heath Is that a trick question?
sweet void
they are making an australian server wouldn't that be nice for you @sweet void
@silk fractal no in still playing na even if theres an oce server.
ruby swift
@limpid heath
ruby swift
Steven has released the written/spoken NDA for the May 31st and June 1st tests. I can talk about those and things from those without penalty.
viral lintel
man ive been trying to install and get into project 1999, but i cant get my fkn account to work
oops wrong channel
sweet void
They have nda but when alpha1 is up, no nda
So they can talk about the iteration of the game
ruby swift
Yes, this is pre A1 load testing mainly
silk fractal
so how did the game feel so far?
pliant ocean
Right now it is only a media NDA. There is no NDA for verbal atm. So you will see reports by testers that are playing right now.
ruby swift
It needs a lot of work as you would expect, but you can see and feel what it is going to become. Going to be sooooooo good.
silk fractal
how big is the world right now?
sweet void
Im just worried on the network and server and how they will deal with it at launch with all the hype there is now
glacial sandal
launch will probably be a gongshow like every other huge game
silk fractal
yeah that's fine
a few days/week and things are usually okay
never expect to have a good time on launch day lol
glacial sandal
yeah normally they sort things out pretty quick
ruby swift
The testing on alpha island was a starter zone and 3 nodes that have a mix of biomes on them, with some underworld and a few dungeons. Like the one seen from the livestream today. That is not the extent of A1. It takes about 25-30 min running in a straight line from the starter portal to the coastal edge of one of the nodes. Screaming in terror the entire time. Flying is of course faster.
sweet void
Its they can have a smooth launch, i think this might the overtake all mmo games.
glacial sandal
best not to expect being able to play on launch day
silk fractal
cool to know @ruby swift
speaking of which do you think lazypeon lastest vod about the game is accurate? I'm about to watch it
but sometimes he's very miss the mark
on his reviews
ruby swift
I hope so. I helped proof the text.
sweet void
best not to expect being able to play on launch day
@glacial sandal i think they are preparing for that, with character reservations and stress trsting for beta. Again, lets hope for a smooth launch
silk fractal
oh well that's great to hear then
I'll prob have more questions when I'm done watching
I'll spend the whole day on the wiki probs too haha
glacial sandal
yes hopefully it goes well @sweet void, it would be nice to see a smooth launch
ruby swift
He put a LOT of work into it. The views he is getting are deserved. Definitely not LAZY peon on this one.
sweet void
Yeah ive been following aoc coz of him. He had one for aoc last year