He bought a pack last month, and upgraded this month, wants to know if he'll get both sets of cosmetics.
#questions
solid sparrow
strong drum
correct
strong drum
Thank god
ruby swift
You get to keep the cosmetics from your original pack. You will get the cosmetics from this month that were from the higher tier. You will have the option of purchasing the lower tier cosmetics separately. Since you are just paying the difference you don't get both.
strong drum
thats all i care about
digital yacht
@ruby swift uhh really? That’s weird
ruby swift
Not really. He only gets as many cosmetics as he paid for. Same thing with game time. He will have a total of his higher package, not both added together.
digital yacht
It should just be the month he paid for cosmetics Tbf like the first month but if that’s how it works I’ll know for next time
strong drum
Hang on - i bought last month - and i want the money i spend on upgrades to upgrade last months skins not this months
just too much to buy all at once
ruby swift
He buys his first package. Gets 3 cosmetics. Upgrades to the package that has 5 cosmetics. Gets the two that he is missing. Has total of 5. Has the option to buy the lower 3 he is missing from current month a la carte.
digital yacht
Might wanna contact support then @strong drum and see if they’ll do that for u
ruby swift
K so you have your original purchase that was the red cosmetics right?
strong drum
yes
ruby swift
What level was that. Give me dollar amount
limpid heath
So I'm looking at the classes. What is this "Engineer" class that was in Apocalypse? I can't find much on it and zero gameplay.
cunning verge
does anyone know how much the individual cosmetics are to purchase outside of a preorder pack?
digital yacht
5-25
cunning verge
oh nice, that isnt too bad. thank you.
ruby swift
K so with that you got the $5 accessory.
digital yacht
@limpid heath it was a class to test in just siege mode it just had a bunch of diff skills on it
brittle ferry
And they're listed individually on the website shop
ruby swift
What did you upgrade to.
strong drum
wayfearers
digital yacht
@limpid heath it will not be in game so pay no mind to it lol
strong drum
another 75
cunning verge
Also another quick question, can you spend the embers you get from a preorder pack now? or only later on release etc?
ruby swift
Wayfarers is 75, you mean Expeditionary. Correct?
cunning verge
ahhh okay thanks!
limpid heath
@limpid heath it was a class to test in just siege mode it just had a bunch of diff skills on it
@digital yacht Like what skills? I mean sure it's not going to be released on day one but I'm curious since what if they decided to add a new archetype in an update/expansion.
digital yacht
It won’t it was just a mash up of diff stuff to test
We never even go to see if
I wouldn’t pay any attention to it
ruby swift
K...so your package would now have the bog pet, and the $5 accessory from the red package. If you want the $5 shoulderpad accessory you will have to buy it separate. You also have a total of 4 months of game time ($60 Value)
$50 in Embers (in-game marketplace credits, NO P2W!) Not combined with the earlier pack.
brittle ferry
Yeah the BR was based on the weapons not class or secondary classes if that's what you're talking about
ruby swift
You can in future months purchase the pet or accessory a la carte.
That doesn't happen
strong drum
so you have to fork out hundreds of dollars in one months to secure the pack you want
ruby swift
Yep
ruby swift
But they do let you upgrade
strong drum
yeah what pay again
ruby swift
Yes, you upgrade gradually with the cosmetics as you go. Once cosmetics are off the store, they don't come back.
strong drum
yeah so if i wanted all the red stuff i had to spend $500 plus dollars in a month
thats killed it alot for me
brittle ferry
Red pack was a long exception due to the pandemic, other than that, all packages only available for about a month
ruby swift
If you are unhappy with my answer it looks like Toast is waking up. She will tell you the same thing. But at least you will have a gold name telling you instead of me.
runic ember
if you upgrade, make sure you check that you got all the items you wanted, since it doesn't fill in every item from the lower tiers when you upgrade
strong drum
Its not like i dont believe you
i just think its contrary to the no out of the box price crap
ruby swift
Max package price was $375 for the red cosmetics.
pseudo merlin
but there is no 'out of box' price
strong drum
i wanted the skins in the pack but dont wanna have to spend a small fortune for it in one go
brittle ferry
I also wanted the entire package for red cosmetics, ended up picking only a handful and getting what I could afford.
strong drift
My man's bob war cry
solid sparrow
how is it contrary to the no out of the box? you're paying for testing. Not to play the game.
pseudo merlin
then just buy the 75 dollar one, and slowly pay your way up in increments @strong drum
runic ember
It's better to wait for a pack you want mostly everything from
strong drum
Virtue the deal is i wanna pay my way up the red pack
pseudo merlin
what red pack?
strong drum
but im apparantly paying up each different months pack in staged like some stupid hybrid system
brittle ferry
Last months cosmetics
ruby swift
@pseudo merlin He did. But you don't get cosmetics from packages that have passed when you upgrade, you get the current months cosmetics.
limpid heath
Have they mentioned what the cost to change your secondary is going to be?
I mean it would be neat if you could eventually permanently unlock each secondary or at least a limited amount you can switch between depending on what encounter you're trying to face.
solid sparrow
Its not a hybrid system, its to keep the cosmetics rarity and appeal.
pseudo merlin
oooh now i see
ruby swift
@limpid heath No, just that it will be a quest and cost.
pseudo merlin
@strong drum well, you can wait for a similar cosmetic to come out
brave star
@limpid heath you mean something like dual spec in wow?
strong drum
nah thats killed it for me for ages
brittle ferry
Not yet but there are quests/costs to do it @limpid heath
strong drum
red pack was the deal man
pseudo merlin
@strong drum it's only one set of cosmetics
strong drum
0 more money im spending on skins in this
limpid heath
@limpid heath you mean something like dual spec in wow?
@brave star Ya, something like that but you need to do a quest to get it I guess.
ruby swift
@limpid heath They have also not confirmed that you keep progression of previous secondaries. YOu may need to grind them again.
solid sparrow
Should have forked out the 375 that month then, I understand where you're coming from, but in order to keep the skins rarity it is what it is
strong drum
nah i pre ordered for the soul purpose of being able to work my way up to paying for that grave galleon
now im finding out devs wanted me to pay like literal;ly 500+ dollars in one go for it
just sad man
solid sparrow
- And yes. to keep it rare.
ruby swift
No, they wanted you to pay $375
strong drum
AUS
pseudo merlin
@strong drum i mean...it icnluded a lot of other stuff. you arent just paying hundreds of dollars for a skin
youre also getting game time
strong drum
75 pack to me is 123 dollars
pseudo merlin
and some embers
brittle ferry
It's a frustration @strong drum , but now you'll be able to check out every month of cosmetics and potentially find better ones
brittle ferry
I mean we haven't even seen these cosmetics on avatars yet
strong drum
i literally have bought 2 packs and got 0 of the skins i actually wanted lol
solid sparrow
It was a burn because you didnt understand the system, thats not really on them.
limpid heath
@limpid heath They have also not confirmed that you keep progression of previous secondaries. You may need to grind them again.
@ruby swift I'm pretty sure your level is carried by your Primary. Ah but that does give me an idea if that's not the case.
If it is the cost they mentioned is needing to grind out the levels again. That would kind of suck but if you can keep your previous secondary as something you can switch to like I just mentioned then maybe it would be worth it.
ruby swift
In addition to the cosmetic items granted with the Wayfarer Pre-Order Pack at the time of purchase, you will also be entitled to purchase future monthly cosmetics as add-ons for the Wayfarer Level Pre-Order Pack and below. Pre-Order Pack cosmetics are only available during the month they are featured, and will never be available again for purchase.
In order to own a Pre-Order Pack’s cosmetics, you must either purchase the Pre-Order Pack during the month that the cosmetic is featured or have purchased that level pack or higher in a previous month in order to buy the cosmetic as an add-on. Kickstarter and Summer Backers will always be able to purchase Pre-Order Pack cosmetics as add-ons.
pseudo merlin
@strong drum it's all right, its a harmless learning experience
torpid tangle
look before you leap
strong drum
i did i came in here asking multiple questions
pseudo merlin
at least youre finding out about how intrepid communicates their info before the game comes out and stuff becomes more urgent
pseudo merlin
but it's true, you can
you will just pay 5 to 30 dollars per individual skin subsequent months
strong drum
its forcing people into a payment bottle neck
ruby swift
@limpid heath Yes, I wasn't clear there. Was doing a couple things at once. I mean that you may not keep your horizontal augment progression for previous classes if you switch. Has yet to be confirmed either way.
pseudo merlin
it's not forcing people
you dont have to buy the skin if you dont want to, there's no impetus to buy anything
solid sparrow
^
torpid tangle
buy the packs now!
crystal flax
@pseudo merlin He thought he would forever be able to upgrade to the pack from when he currently bought, so he bought low wanting to upgrade later
limpid heath
Have they mentioned what it costs to reallocate skill points? Is it free or does it cost something?
brittle ferry
Which is common, honestly
crystal flax
Just came down to a misunderstanding
strong drum
If you want the good stuff you gotta spend $500 AUS - which i was happy to do but not in one go - the idea of UPGRADING your pack as you go was obviously lost in translation
pseudo merlin
@crystal flax yikes, looks like somebody should have read the terms and conditions highlighted in....a lot of places
pseudo merlin
@strong drum wait how did you buy 2 packs/ you mean 2 months' worht of skins?
brittle ferry
Not yet other than saying it's going to cost something @limpid heath
ruby swift
There are probably about 24 more cosmetic offers coming. Sure to be something that strikes your fancy before launch.
strong drum
im now on what ever the second pack stage is and ive got the crappest skin from the pack i wanted
pseudo merlin
@strong drum but now you know where to find this information right? has everyone pointed out to you where you can find out what next month's pack looks like?
@strong drum hey you still got something! it's better than a lot of people who join later
ruby swift
Also, you have 30 days to refund if you are truly put out by the experience.
pseudo merlin
@strong drum how bout you sleep on this decision?
brittle ferry
So save what you have for the big stuff you would like, hopefully something come up more evil, which I'm sure it will
pseudo merlin
you might be a bit upset tonight but think about it, these are rare skins that you may never get again
strong drum
mate ive been dreaming about that grave galleon skin
spare scarab
@strong drum you could submit a support ticket and explain you wish to do a payment plan, perhaps it is something they could help with.
strong drum
no amount of sleep fixes this atleast ill get my money back
pseudo merlin
if you get rid of that one accessory you have then you will never be able to get it back again @strong drum
ruby swift
Sorry it wasn't clear enough for you. Will pass it along to Toast along with the Discord channel suggetions when I see her awake and typing.
somber minnow
I’ve read that it is not mandatory to pay subscription to play the game. What are the limits if you dont pay subscription?
strong drum
its a stupid pendant at stage one
pseudo merlin
what if you regret it later? please at least wait a day or two to think about htis
crystal flax
@somber minnow That'd be wrong, sub is required
pseudo merlin
pendant still looks nice
ruby swift
@somber minnow Sub is not optional
pseudo merlin
the pendant will be a LOT better than what other people have when game starts
brittle ferry
It's a subscription based game
strong drum
freehold skin etc
was willing to pay but forcing it in a month period like a lump sum is not what i thought the desire to sub based game was
brittle ferry
Unless you got the ability to purchase the lifetime subscription in Kickstarter or summer backer
surreal elk
Lol just chill if he wants to refund let him. Always read the fine print of what your getting and what skins your buying
ruby swift
You can however take advantage of the referral system to reduce your sub cost. @somber minnow
pseudo merlin
@ruby swift i dont think he was talking about the sub cost lol. he was still going on about how the cosmetics were too expensive for him
to pay per month
ruby swift
I am talking to GrimReaper
strong drum
they are only if you want it in a lumped sum
pseudo merlin
ooh sorry
@strong drum but yeah, the best advice i can give you now is put in a ticket with customer support
surreal elk
@strong drum we all have either lump summed or valued it as not worth and have moved on to other packs etc that we find appealing
pseudo merlin
youve vented out your anger for a little so i hope that calmed you down enough to do that
strong drum
upgrading your pack to me was misunderstood and i feel like you should be able to choose what pack you want your money to go too if you had purchased that pack in the month it was release
pseudo merlin
that's like saying you feel like mcdonalds coupons are reusable after their expiry date
ruby swift
Yes, sadly that is not an option. Will pass along the feedback. They have worked on making it more clear. Maybe they need more.
random moat
Do we know if they will do any more alpha 1 pre-orders? Or is that done and gone now
brittle ferry
Potential probability
ruby swift
Currently A1 is closed
strong drum
I would suggest it needs to be made more clear - even after i came in here for community advice i left confused it seems
brittle ferry
But right now it's closed
tough sierra
How will loot drops work in regards to healers getting a share?
ruby swift
Potential to open again
solid sparrow
@strong drum I'm sorry you had that misunderstanding, but the game time alone is still worth the buy combined with embers which will give you an option to buy more skins later. It's only cosmetics right now and theyre bound to release something more to your taste later. But in no way did they give or paint a false image of what you were paying for. They didnt lie or deceive you. It was simply a misunderstanding. It's not really fair to accuse them of 'bottlenecking' or dogging on their pay to sub fee.
random moat
Cool thanks 🙌
ruby swift
@tough sierra Loot is determined by the group leader. You work it out with them. Don't like the option they select, leave.
tough sierra
what about when not grouped
brittle ferry
Like damage delt to enemies determine who gets loot @tough sierra ?
ruby swift
You mean solo. Tag and dps was last he said in the AMA. Guess you better group up.
tough sierra
yes, but what about healers leveling
strong drum
Like just finished watching all the questions and stuff from steven and i feel like with his vision of self funding and being for the player - and the fact that the pack was purchased in the month the consumer wanted the skins there should be the ability to upgrade THAT pack as you go - considering we are pre ordering and are somewhat early believers of the game
ruby swift
Though healers had dps abilities.
strong drum
this is just feels wrong for me anyways ill do a support tiket who knows
orchid fossil
did they mention what happen with xp and loot with two players not grouped ?
ruby swift
Lots of heal through damage stuff seen so far.
surreal elk
@tough sierra will be leveling in grps they want it to be a social game a lot will be party focused
ruby swift
@orchid fossil Tag and dps system so far. Whoever does most dps. Whoever tags the mob first has less dps to do to qualify for exp and loot.
orchid fossil
@ruby swift does it means if i help a player he gets less XP ?
no mention of healing impact on this ?
south crag
Hi a quick question how do I see/put my title in the forums?
ruby swift
If not grouped with them? Maybe. Still in development. He did ask for feedback.
Are you a KS holder @south crag
tough sierra
Will there be titles in the game that go next to your name for achieving things? Like <Title> <Name>
brittle ferry
They already have them, so, yes?
south crag
Yea @ruby swift just didn’t have questions to post in the forum since 2017 so didn’t use it
Ty
brittle ferry
Best to submit a support ticket if you don't have it
ruby swift
If you have just migrated to the new forums it may take 24-48 hours before your account updates and migrates. If you have not seen it by then, file a ticket.
brittle ferry
I delt with the same thing, only way to fix it in the forums is a ticket
orchid fossil
Do we have info on buff duration ? Are there some not time limited (buffer capacity limited) ?
south crag
Ok ty I’ll wait a few days and then I’ll open a ticket if it doesn’t work
ruby swift
Buff duration is based on quality and skill level of the craft. In the case of food buffs.
Bard buffs, no info.
dense tartan
Question about Guild wars - If 2 guilds are at war with each other. Will there be an option for a 3rd guild to enter the war on behalf of one of those 2 guild and contribute to their victory conditions?
ruby swift
There is very limited information on Guild Wars at the moment. That answer is Unknown.
brittle ferry
If you mean like for castle siege @dense tartan no
ruby swift
Nah, he is talking the GvG mechanic
brittle ferry
Yeah don't really have that like you said
tough sierra
so guild wars will only be 1v1?
ruby swift
We dont know
light pagoda
I have a question about skins, can you only obtain cosmetics to your gear through the cosmetic store or are there skins obtainable through gameplay?
toxic vine
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Guilds#Guild_wars <- all we have on guild wars
ruby swift
Thanks McCape, was just going to get that.
There are skins available through gameplay that have parity to the store bought ones
brittle ferry
I'm gonna catch a some ZZZs, have a fun day/night/week all!
ruby swift
NIght
minor oyster
is there an email newsletter i can sign up for somewhere?
ruby swift
Do you have an account on Intrepids main site. If you do, you are on the mailing list.
minor oyster
o ok. just made one
brittle ferry
But they like to go into promotions and spam email folder until you mark them otherwise
ruby swift
Usually around the end of the month or quarterly is a good time to look.
burnt nest
if we want to develop a specific kind of node, what level will we find out what kind fo node it is? do we find out at level 1?
burnt nest
TY!
strong drum
So i should be telling my friends you need to save up $500 au and just wait until there is a skin pack you like cause you gotta get it in bulk?
just making sure no one else gets stung like i did
ruby swift
Sure, that would probably be a good idea.
strong drum
ok sweet ill let them know
solid sparrow
Why bring it up again after 15 minutes though? lol
ruby swift
Please don't antagonize him. We want to keep it for questions.
Take it to DMs to snipe
crystal flax
@strong drum They can upgrade as long as the cosmetics are still the currently available ones, so it doesn't quite have to be all at once, just pretty close
strong drum
Well most people get 2 pays in a month so they gonna have to dig deep lol
ruby swift
In the same month though if they want all that shiny to match.
strong drum
thats where i think its dirty
solid sparrow
this should be in discussion no?
ruby swift
Yep, but people can vent a little. Only if it becomes an ongoing thing should they move to the others.
late mortar
good question @solid sparrow :3
ruby swift
Well it is 1am for them atm. So not going to be passing the info along for a good amount of hours anyways.
midnight iron
From what I've seen Alpha testing is going to run parallel to beta test. Will people that bought packs that grant beta access be able to access those Alpha testing servers when betas roll out?
short compass
Hello, I wanted to buy a AoC pack from France. I understood that my.games is the publisher for the EU region so I created an account on their web site. Issue is I can't buy any pack (all buton a grey out). Is buying a pack on my.games still the way to go for EU ? or is it recomended to buy the pack on the official AoC website ? I understand that even buying from the AoC website I'll be able to play on the EU servers and pay my subscription in EUR €, correct ?
strong drum
Make sure you understand what you are buying my friend!
main grotto
@short compass check pinned msg, thats more of a contact support thing
pseudo merlin
@midnight iron alpha tests will not run parallel to Beta. the 'alpha' that will run at the same time is actually one for a different product named Ashes of Creation Apocalypse
shut chasm
I bought on intrepid's site and am EU. You will be able to transfer the account over to my.com, I read in here.
pseudo merlin
@midnight iron Apocalypse is a free to play product so everyone who wants access will get it regardless of whether you have a package or not.
midnight iron
@pseudo merlin Ooooh, that makes sense now. Thank you very much for answearing my question.
pseudo merlin
no problem!
sour hinge
Hallo I’d like to know, back in 2017-18 when the Kickstarter was around I bought a package and as far as I remember I have the ability to upgrade. Back then it said that every higher tier includes the bonuses of the lower ones right?
crystal flax
Tiers include the ones below them, yes
sour hinge
But if I look at the shop the price does not get reduced by the package I already bought
Why?
crystal flax
Which ones are you seeing in the shop?
slate harbor
@sour hinge because you already have all the stuff and can only buy it twice i guess
violet barn
Guys how are suggestions passed to the creators?
sour hinge
I bought the explorer package back then and like to upgrade to the founder one
crystal flax
They see them here in the Discord
sour hinge
But the prices does not get reduced by the explorer amount
crystal flax
What's the price it's showing for you?
sour hinge
125
crystal flax
That's the right price
sour hinge
Is it?
crystal flax
All good 
You can always double check on the original KS page for the prices
sour hinge
Thanks for the info 😄
stark matrix
When do this game release
stark matrix
Ouuu 
can’t wait
dense arrow
I just wana say thank you guys for hanging out and answering all of these questions. You guys are legends.
crystal beacon
Hello
worn fulcrum
hey guys super excited for this game i am interested to know if there with be an OCE server at launch...? everyone tends to forget about us australians and Ping can ruin a great game.
grizzled horizon
OCE servers are confirmed
worn fulcrum
❤️
slate harbor
So pleasant not having to hope for a Server in the own Region as a EU Player 🤣
versed hollow
@sour hinge basically, it's an effect that only backers will have, it's purely visual
for example, a weapon will glow a certain colour
sour hinge
Ah ok ty 😊
crystal beacon
I wanted to know if there is any fundamental difference between "general" version of AoC and Russian version localised and owned by Mail.ru group. Because I already see that mail.ru is selling features that are different in both price and content from ones provided on the main AoC web site.
The question raises from the fact that mail.ru group owns several cash-grab games that operate similarly to the worst Chinese MMOs. And to be honest, I want nothing to do with them.
versed hollow
@crystal beacon the deal with My.com/mail.ru is that they will be providing EXACTLY the same game. no special extras or anything like that. I can't speak for the mail.ru site, but my.com isn't selling access right now
merry eagle
the official statement that was released
versed hollow
as for the price difference, the only thing i can see, is that their packs comes with some embers
potent merlin
question about in game photography:
is there a "view mode" that let you orbit around and taking photo?
I love taking pictures in video games, i love taking picture of my character, and i love video game fashion. I spend about half of my time playing a mmo/rpg just simply dressing up character and taking action shot/ cool photo-op. To that point that i would archive them into a booklet/video. So hoping that i can do something like for AOC.
solid sparrow
There will definitely be a screenshot option, I cant see them not offering it,
versed hollow
@potent merlin right now there isn't a camera setting, but that doesn't mean the won't make one later on
solid sparrow
it will probably get added in beta or when the character maker is finished, I just cant see them not offering us one with how beautiful the game looks
versed hollow
even if they don't you may be able to remove the UI and sorta do it yourself
spare scarab
It would be wonderful if they could do something similar to how wow solves it by having a keybinding for toggle hide and show the UI
Have they said anything about external API's both from their servers and/or client for third parties to work with?
versed hollow
none, the don't want them as of right now
spare scarab
@versed hollow thanks, bit disappointing. Would be nice to perhaps have a site showing how all server nodes are currently structured or something similar
versed hollow
keep in mind that things are subject to change, they could introduce those systems later on
spare scarab
I'll cross my fingers 🙂
Im fine with not altering the client, but would be nice to have some statistics and meta data to work with
frozen tartan
They might develop some
spare scarab
@frozen tartan thanks!
crystal beacon
@versed hollow thank you!
frozen tartan
One thing I couldn't find anywhere: will we be able to respec?
I might allocate skill points while leveling, but once I reach max level I want to try a new build or find that one skill I didn't put point in is better (for what I want to do). Would I be able to reset my build? I don't speak about sub archetype as I read that one might change it through a quest
solid sparrow
You wont be able to change your primary class but you will be able to change your secondary class and augments, how or what it will take to do so is unknown at this time @frozen tartan
upbeat jolt
That's not what he's asking
solid sparrow
I misread your question, You're talking about stats then not skills right?
crystal beacon
@versed hollow right, here's the web site owned by my.com (mail.ru) https://aocreation.ru/#preorder
The prices (from lower to higher, roughly) 13$, 27$, 54$, 92$ and 139$
upbeat jolt
If you upgrade skill Ice Cage to rank 3 can you take out the points from that skill and put them in idk flame arrow?
frozen tartan
Thank you @solid sparrow but I'm asking about skill points allocation. I understand completely about not changing primary class, but I'd really like to be able to change my build
junior pagoda
I really like how various food recipes can be found at player owned Inn's/Taverns accross the world. Which makes me wonder if Bards can collect songs/stories from their adventures that may or may not be unique. Especially if a node changes than the content where they discovered the song or story may no longer be available. It would also be great if each song/story had an attached classification, which allows you to bind it to one of you bard abilities of said classification.
crystal beacon
Whereas the prices on ashesofcreation.com are from 75 to 375 bucks
upbeat jolt
@frozen tartan All games have this option (bdo, dso, eso, wow).
In BDO you have to pay real money / loyalties / get the reset item from quests / events.
In DSO you can respec freely.
In ESO and WoW you must pay some gold
If AoC doesn't provide this posibility people will riot
ruby swift
@frozen tartan Yes, you will be able to respec skill points. Not on the fly or in the wild. There will be a mechanism at a freehold or in town. That is all we know atm.
frozen tartan
@upbeat jolt you never know... That' why I asked ^^
@ruby swift Thank you! That' what I wanted to hear read
Do you maybe have a source for that?
upbeat jolt
Yup. Good question. I think this option is so rooted in all those games and so basic that people can't think about it not being existent.
I never thought about asking it.
ruby swift
I suggest looking at the wiki or the livestreams. Was talked about during one of them, not a Discord quote. I don't remember which one, and cbfed to go diving for it atm. The truth is out there Mulder! Good hunting.
full badger
@frozen tartan https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Class_progression
frozen tartan
Thanks @full badger but I can't find anything about skill points allocation respect.
As for livestreams I whatched them all (I think) from january 2020. But I understand that there were a lot of them before. If you say that it was talked about previously then it must have been ^^
Thanks a lot 🙂
full badger
@frozen tartan You will be able to change the augments on your skills, and augments require skill points, so it's implied that you can respec your skill points
ruby swift
By livestreams I also include the streamer interviews. Not just the official monthly livestreams
full badger
Yeah, like last night when Steven dropped into our pathfinders podcast to clarify on his reasoning for the family summoning system
ruby swift
Yep, just watched that one. That is not the only time, he has also said similar in at least one other. So now at least two sources for it floating around.
keen ice
hi guys, How many characters are there per account? and additionally how many names can be reserved by the voyager pre-order packs?
dapper thistle
Does anyone know if there are daily quests? Has this been confirmed by steven etc
i hate dailies
versed hollow
the max number isn't confirmed as of yet, however, it is said to be generous @keen ice
ruby swift
full badger
@dapper thistle
keen ice
oh ok cool. thanks
frozen tartan
I'm a bit of a stickler for accuracy (not sure about these words as I'm not an english speaker, sorry): but I read on the wiki that skill points will be used to "level up skills within their active, passive or combat skill trees"
But as far I as I understand this "Players can personalize their primary skills with augmentation from a secondary archetype"
So to me augments system and skill lupgrade system are two different things.
On the wiki i cannot find that augment will use skill points. Only thing is "[augment system] is very similar to the class progression system"
teal zephyr
is there even the slightest idea of when the game would be released? like 2ish years? less?
dapper thistle
@full badger appreciate it buddy
teal zephyr
@frozen tartan from what i can understand, theres tiers to abilities, that you can spend skill points on to make those certain abilities more powerful, and the augment system is a separate thing that has to do with augmenting your main abilities with your secondary class
ruby swift
So Naggle. Each active skill like fireball has levels inside it. You can buy it for example for 2 skill points. Then upgrade it to level 2 for 6 skill points, then upgrade it again for 10 skill points to level 3. At each level increase it gains power and effects like either small aoe or dot. You would then augment it with further points.
teal zephyr
that makes it much clearer than my explanation lol, thanks
dapper thistle
maaaan, this community seems too good and the game isnt even out
versed hollow
@teal zephyr without sounding like a dick, the game will be released when it's ready, the devs will only announce a release date when they know they can hit it.
full badger
is there even the slightest idea of when the game would be released? like 2ish years? less?
@teal zephyr Community estimates are 2-3 years from full release
teal zephyr
i figured that theo, i just wondered if there was any indication at all
and thanks mist!
frozen tartan
Hmm.. still not convinced this is how augments will work based upon wiki but if you guys says so. Meaning I would be able not to augment at all, even though I don'y know why someone would do that 🤔
Anyway that does answer my question. Thank you guys (and gals) a lot!
versed hollow
unfortunately not, as we've not even started alpha yet, it will be a while
stark matrix
Even so they need at least 2 beta checks to make sure everything is ready for release
keen ice
how about alpha 2? is there any hints/indication of when this phase might open?
solid sparrow
Hopefully* sometime next year @keen ice
ruby swift
I know for a fact that is how it works with fireball cause I rolled mage in the test. The augment system has yet to be revealed and mechanics can change before then, but that is what they are rolling with right now.
versed hollow
@keen ice From the AoC zendesk - "Our goal is to have the Alpha One game client ready for full testing in Fall of 2020."
although that could be pushed back
potent thunderBOT
stark matrix
Do you think they will run a sim for node wars and batter royal for mayors or even the monster events I say they need 2 beta for all this
ruby swift
Everything will be tested along the way.
versed hollow
@stark matrix this is what the alpha and beta tests are for, they will be thoroughly tested before launch
keen ice
ooh i see on that link they mentioned the earliest testers will be phoenix initiative backers. are there any content creators that qualify for this since they mentioned non-NDA on reviews
full badger
The PI backers have already taken part in a couple of tests
ruby swift
Wouldnt matter, they are under NDA till Steven says otherwise
versed hollow
@keen ice Pheonix Initiative testers are playing right now and are under NDA, but when alpha 1 starts, there will be no NDA
harsh zealot
Having player housing and these progressing nodes, what's the incentive to explore the rest of the map? It sounds like you end up stuck within the same few nodes.
ruby swift
Steven has lifted the NDA for the May 31st/June first tests for everything but visual. PI can talk about that. As I was doing above. Everything else is under NDA unless specifically released by him.
There is an overarching narrative planned that will take you all over the map.
versed hollow
@harsh zealot one of the main reasons to have a player house at a node is to gain citizenship for that node, that allows you to place down a freehold within the nodes influence. You can only be a citizen of 1 node, but once you are a citizen, you can move your housing to any other node even if you aren't a citizen (excluding your freehold of course)
stark matrix
For this company every challenge you get you gotta run test after test to make sure you hit the mark for this game to last for years like wow because for this game vision as a mmo it’s kinda like a SAO with the road they going with how they want the experience to be. And I appreciate them for stepping out and trying something different from the norm
harsh zealot
@versed hollow Ah I see thank you (:
tall vapor
How many skill points do u get ?
ruby swift
Unknown at this time. In the previous test we were meant to get 4 per level, but some people were bugged.
gaunt otter
Will the game have achievements (like the ones in world of Warcraft for example)
ruby swift
Yes
gaunt otter
Will the game have customizable UI since add-ons aren't supported?
slow sky
Yes
ruby swift
Yes, UI will be highly customizable.
stark matrix
Will people I’m my guild be able to have house wherever or will it be specific to a node or to a guild
ruby swift
Glad you are on Risen. My game download just finished installing. I will leave them in your hands.
slow sky
Wherever they are a citizen of a particular node
tall vapor
So u only get skill points while lvling or are you able to gain skill points through some other means as well ?
Like a shard of creation or such
lapis shard
I saw the dark allegiances cosmetic items have been extended due to the virus, but the shop features the Might of the Murk items only
Is this pack region specific or am I overlooking something?
stark matrix
With the scientific nodes will you gain extra experience levels or new moves if you attend school ?
slow sky
@tall vapor afaik only levels give points currently that is always subject to change though.
tall vapor
Ah k
slow sky
@lapis shard those cosmetics unfortunately did rotate out last month, the next cosmetic update is August 5th if these new ones aren’t to your liking
lapis shard
oh damnit
slow sky
@stark matrix unknown
stark matrix
Awh 
quasi trench
When will details about professions be added? Scribes seem so useless
fickle juniper
What's the point of the referral program on the site? It seems kinda not fleshed out
pale glade
Does anyone if party structure will matter? Meaning can party consist of archers/mages etc or parties will have to be class specific to benefit the most from the buffs etc
valid owl
can group summons be conducted outside of sieges?
slow sky
@quasi trench hopefully we’ll be able to explore some of the professions with alpha 1
@fickle juniper anytime someone uses your referral you gain 15% of whatever they spend on the game which can be spent on the cash shop
@pale glade parties can contain any amount of whoever you invite. Parties will be up to 8 players
@valid owl unknown
pale glade
@pale glade parties can contain any amount of whoever you invite. Parties will be up to 8 players
@slow sky thank you for the answer, so party system then it sounds more like wow where all party members benefit euqually from the buffs comparing to lienage2 where you has different blade dancers/prophet buffs for mages and other
stark matrix
Will dungeons expand once level a node and If so will there be more then one passages a rouge can find or will it be one per dungeon
lapis shard
What's the solo potential of the classes like? If you'd go Cleric or any more support-oriented classes (before augment at lvl 25) are you going to have significant trouble soloing mobs?
stark matrix
Will a secondary rouge be able to find the hidden passage or you gotta be a primary
full badger
What's the solo potential of the classes like? If you'd go Cleric or any more support-oriented classes (before augment at lvl 25) are you going to have significant trouble soloing mobs?
@lapis shard The cleric is going to be balanced to have slightly more damage early on to allow for solo levelling, then specialise into healing in the later levels
Will a secondary rouge be able to find the hidden passage or you gotta be a primary
@stark matrix We don't know that yet
lapis shard
oh sounds great
slow sky
@stark matrix we don’t know the full extent on how the node system will function on dungeons but steven has mentioned the secrets a rogue can discover will randomly change throughout the day so it doesn’t make rogue irrelevant after finding the secret spot the first time
stark matrix
Can a mayor have a guild to where he/she can recruit members into or it’s just the mayor position. Also can the mayor be able to pick who can own shops ?
slow sky
A mayor can have their own guild idk the answer to question 2 though
stark matrix
@slow sky I appreciate the feedback you have a good morning or night
crystal beacon
Hello here, first time typing something, game looks very good so far. Is there any mechanism in endgame that makes doing "least hardest" dungeons interesting for players to get for example some specific gear that still benefits some very specific gear builds. Like it was in wow, you needed to grind lower tier dungeons if you would want for example mastery gear to experiment some crazy builds or some specific trinket etc..
quasi trench
@slow sky Nice, im looking forward for it ! Im on hook for this game, wont buy until beta 2 tho
stark matrix
What does preorder do ?
slow sky
@crystal beacon unknown at this time. Game is still pre-alpha and actively being worked on
@stark matrix gets you a key into the alpha 2/betas and the cosmetics associated with the pre-order pack and anything else those packs provide
strong drum
only for that month
slow sky
^cosmetics rotate monthly
merry folio
How do you preorder a game with no box cost
stark matrix
Can you preorder at anytime ?
weak heron
If I buy the $75 or even the $250 pack - if I upgrade to the $375 would i only be getting the higher sets of that month's benefits (the costumes etc)? Or would I be buying into the next month's cosmets etc
slow sky
As long as the packs are there. Most definitely just be aware the cosmetics do rotate monthly the next cosmetic pack takes over august 5th
strong drum
keep the last months lower ones thnough
merry folio
Dayum those are some star citizen lvl of monetization lol
weak heron
So if I buy the $250 this month, and upgrade $375 next month - would I have skins for both months? Apart from the costume etc?
strong drum
no
weak heron
I'd lose this month's and only have next month's?
strong drum
you get last months you bought and the new months upper tier that are new
slow sky
@weak heron if you upgrade during the next months cosmetics you will upgrade for the new months of cosmetics and lose what you had before. Every month afterwards you can individually buy the cosmetics of follow up months for the tier you purchased though
strong drum
basically meaning you end up with 2 half cooked skin packs
weak heron
Ah i see okay
strong drum
if you dont fork out $600
weak heron
Confusing
strong drum
very
eager siren
do we have any idea when alpha 2 is going to launch?
crystal flax
If you buy $150 this month, you have pet and accessory from swamp pack
If you wait til next month to upgrade, only $100 but you only get the mount from next month be cause you're only paying for the upgrade
slow sky
Sometime 2021 most likely
weak heron
So i'll have mixed packages basically
strong drum
yes
weak heron
Right okay, I'll keep waiting for a month I like then
crystal flax
Yes, but then next month you can also choose the pet and accessory
weak heron
Haven't liked the recent months
crystal flax
Just can't choose backwards
strong drum
yeah dont make my mistake and think you can pre order that month then upgrade the same skin pack
stung me good
slow sky
To work i go ❤️
frigid sandal
Hello everyone! 1st time here. Yesterday read through whole wiki. Game looks extremely good so far for me. But after reading wiki I still have some questions.
- Processing and crafting professions require special buildings. Which can be in your freehold, or in node. Does every node have all professions buildings? Or is it the Mayor who decides which buildings will be present in this node?
- What are real benefits of becoming a citizen of the node?
- For example I got the citizenship of the node, but at later stage it becomes a vassal node. Is there a reasons to change the citizenship to parent node? Are there benefits of keeping citizenship of vassal node?
opaque pivot
- Mayor decides the allocation of resources including nodetype specific buildings. 2. Using the buildings(big point actually)/ability to buy housing, which u need as storage or some special oven for cooking etc. 3. I'm actually not sure everyone can go into citizenship with 1 node. There'll be limits probably. So it's like alrdy having a place or trying to get into the new node by chance.
full badger
- The main advantages of being a citizen is access to better housing and storage, quests, augments and the metro super powers.
merry vale
One reason to be a citizen of a vassal node is so your not one of people whose resources are targeted during a siege.
lilac lion
Also citizenship is limited, so if your node becomes a vassal, and you plan on leaving and joining the metro as a citizen, it can already be full
quartz willow
yo real talk is there some special package i can pay for to get the same benefits as kickstarter backers? alpha one and headstart etc
quartz willow
name your price devs
slow sky
@frigid sandal 3) Your node cannot “suddenly” become a vassal node. If the node you are a citizen of is the first town to spring up it locks out the other nodes and becomes the parent so the nodes around it cannot grow to the same size. To become a citizen of a vassal node it will already have been a vassal node from the start.
lilac lion
Alpha 1 isnt going to be on 24/7, atleast thats what they stated before. Theyll have fixed times when itll be up. Starting alpha 2 is when itll be 24/7
quartz willow
ya thats fine, i was mostly bothered by the headstart
somber minnow
After a siege succesful is it possible to claim the node or what happens with that node?
lilac lion
Eh, its not like servers wont be wiped multiple times, plus people will stream it since no nda, and on top of that a lot of changes will be made between alphas and betas to launch
slow sky
Headstart servers have heavy progress limitations and is limited to 3 servers. If you hate that idea do not join those 3 servers on launch
quartz willow
i dont hate the idea i love it thats why i wanted to be a part of it haha
lilac lion
@somber minnow there is a period where you can loot the node and after that i believe the node delevels
lean marlin
@somber minnow the node goes poof after an amount of time, and then has to be restarted.
somber minnow
Gone by the wind
lean marlin
as does all the content that was there for it.
somber minnow
So a guild can have multple towns or only one?
lilac lion
Thats why early game, and late game content are so player driven. Literally what this game is about, people will make castles and then eventually a new ruler will destroy them. And so on
You can only be a citizen of one node
lean marlin
@somber minnow guilds don't run towns, they run castles.
somber minnow
But a castle is in a town?
slow sky
No
lean marlin
Negative.
wise token
I have questions about Freeholds. (I realise the information may not be available at this time) 1- Are the lots for freeholds pre determined or can we pick where we can/want to set up? 2- Is there a limit to how many Freeholds are up in any node or is there a set amount of Freehold lots available and it's first come first served type of deal? 3-Will players be able to raid your Freehold and steal your goods?
lilac lion
No so there are 5 total castles.
Guilds will fight to see who claims the 5, you can siege the castle once a month
lean marlin
@wise token https://www.ashes101.com/housing click on freeholds on the left
somber minnow
But a guild will be more present in a specific town?
lilac lion
What do you mean by present
lean marlin
depends on what they are doing.
somber minnow
Lets say a guild leader has a town the citizens will be a lot of his guild members
slow sky
@wise token 1) you can place your freehold anywhere that meets certain criteria within a node’s zone of influence where you are a citizen. 2) there is a limit of 1 free hold per account. 3) your free hold can be attacked and looted after the node has been successfully sieged
lilac lion
Basically to level a node, it will take multiple guilds to put in effort in order to level it to different stages
wise token
thank you for the info.
lilac lion
So no one guild will own a town
But yes multiple guilds will be present at a node at the same time
somber minnow
Ooh okay thank you
slow sky
Theres instanced apartment housing but I don’t believe free holds can be instanced
lilac lion
Hm, maybe i read wrong. My mistake
flint flax
Hey, I have just searched the wiki for info but I cannot find any info about what I am concerned about. Bounty Hunter Systems in MMOs are usually prone to abuse using secondary accounts. Have they announced any countermeasures for simply killing your alt account "corruption farmer" for Bounty Hunter progression ? I think the EXP loss will be sufficient barrier to use alts to kill your main to avoid drop penalty but the bounty hunter progression might need a limitation on killing the same corrupted player over and over maybe deminishing returns.
gentle briar
Bounty hunter ranking progression hasn't been stated yet and how the bounty rwd will be
So killing a fresh corrupted player vs high corruption = ???
And they did say there will be an active crew of gms online daily
So you can easily get them caught doing that
lean marlin
^, but do understand it's going to get thoroughly tested as soon as it becomes a thing to test.
gentle briar
Yup alpha with no nda is pog
fading gazelle
If I purchase the alpha pack when would I be likely able to play?
lean marlin
🤔 just as well, you'll also be affected and have to run from other BH's aside from whatever you're doing. There is also the random rez system so it's not going to be an easy thing to sit there and farm it regardless.
flint flax
Ok, thanks. I am sure they are aware of common bounty hunter problems. I will simply wait for the actual implementation of the feature and how they solve it.
lean marlin
@fading gazelle not until A2 starts, expect next year at some point.
gentle briar
If it states you get alpha 1 access then in a few months @fading gazelle
slow sky
@fading gazelle sometime 2021
fading gazelle
It states A2
grizzled horizon
@gentle briar they mentioned they want active GMs yes
fading gazelle
A2 is q4 2020 ish then?
slow sky
A2 is sometime 2021
fading gazelle
Oh okay.
slow sky
No set date
mild hinge
Hello I have a question, will the game be subscription based? If so how will it work, is it based on the hours you spend online or by real time?
gentle briar
No a1 is 2021 no dates
oak barn
Real time, 15 per month
slow sky
@mild hinge yes sub based. $15/month real time
gentle briar
@mild hinge monthly sub of 15.99 I believe
slow sky
14.99^
mild hinge
Thank you 😊
lean marlin
@mild hinge 14.99, real time.
oak barn
If you buy the 1st pack, the 75$, you get 2 free months and beta acess
slow sky
@gentle briar alpha 1 is fall 2020 confirmed
mild hinge
Hmm interesting
slow sky
@gentle briar you just said a1 was 2021
fading gazelle
So none of the packs are purchaseable for A1 anymore?
oak barn
How long will A1 last?
lilac lion
No @fading gazelle
gentle briar
If I typed a1 then that's a typo
lilac lion
No specific time probably a few months for a1
grizzled horizon
but A1 is non-nda so you'll be able to see streamers and stuff
slow sky
@fading gazelle correct, A1 sales stopped in 2018
grizzled horizon
so that's something
lilac lion
Alphas will last until they get everything they want tested.
oak barn
Sadly yeah
fading gazelle
Jeez, big investment for years of waiting then
oak barn
ANd if you want to play on A2 you'll have to pay 375$ if im not wrong
lilac lion
$250
fading gazelle
No it's 375.
grizzled horizon
@fading gazelle well yeah, but MMOs generally take >5 years to develop
lilac lion
$375 is just for name reservation and other stuff
fading gazelle
Oh yea
oak barn
No, no he is right
fading gazelle
you're right
oak barn
yeah
lilac lion
$250 also gives alpha 2
gentle briar
You don't have to buy em xD
oak barn
didn't know the 250 also did
gentle briar
Best bet is just find someone who owns it and watch
Imo
I do wonder when we will have access to info for the 2nd archetype augments between classes
slow sky
Keep in mind some of higher tiered KS backers will have multiple beta keys to hand out. So choose your friends wisely 
oak barn
Tbh rather pay 250 for a good game then 60~70 for the recent ones who barely give any content
gentle briar
Haha true
lilac lion
Its upto you if you think its worth. For me personally, 9 months game time + the 5-6 months i get to play before the game releases, + unique cosmetics thatll never appear again + name reservation + ingame currency to buy future cosmetics for $100 worth
^
That to me was worth the one time fee of $375. But if youre not in a good place financially, you can always wait for alpha 2 to get closer
oak barn
Ks backers?
lilac lion
Kickstarter
gentle briar
2k buyers anyone 
wary coyote
Any idea of whats gonna be shown Un friday???
slow sky
Nope
oak barn
Ah, thx
gentle briar
A long 1 hour stream with good updates 
lean marlin
@wary coyote just updates on development. still good idea to watch if you're new.
oak barn
Btw do we get a pet skin + pet or just the cosmetic?
lean marlin
@oak barn depends on the tier.
lilac lion
Probably what each team has been working on and q&a at the end
oak barn
in the 250 and upper tier* sorry
wary coyote
@lean marlin well im a little New 😁 been follwing for a little time now but have seen All videos of whats been put out so far...
gentle briar
I wonder if they'll have mount runs in this game
lilac lion
Also cosmetics are NOT tradable
lean marlin
@oak barn so, the turtle i'm fairly certain is a skin for the mount. I don't see any pets in it.
Oh wait, no I stand corrected, swamp monster is pet skin as well.
wary coyote
Its too bad that they made cosmetics... I love the old style where you can see if the Guy is gonna Hurt and not just that he spend a few dollars in som shop but thats just me
oak barn
I think the only thing im not on board are the popularity contests
I'm sure some streamers are gonna abuse that to get mayor status
slow sky
Remember to keep discussions in their respective channels #aoc-discussion #general-discussion so this chat remains less clogged for actual questions
oak barn
True, Im sorry hahah
mild hinge
I have a question about the alpha and beta progress , what will happen to the progress you make when the game starts launch?
grizzled horizon
It's wiped
slow sky
^
mild hinge
Oh sounds good
supple yarrow
Will it be possible for a summoner to summon ingame monsters you've killed? like the spectre skill in PoE
lilac lion
Alpha 1 wiped regularly, alpha 2 will have periodic wipes, betas will be wiped at launch
slow sky
@supple yarrow not much is known about the summoner, all 8 base classes will be in alpha 1 so we will get a lot more info about classes then
supple yarrow
fair enough, i do think it would be pretty cool to have something like that
somber minnow
Is alpha 2 already like a proper game or is it not much content?
Will most systems be in place or not?
slow sky
It’s still gonna be not much content and a lot of systems should be in place, but most likely not all
Only on launch will it really be a proper game
somber minnow
I just wanna know what I can expect from alpha 2
oak barn
Btw are there any specific recomendations for pc specs?
lilac lion
Alpha 1 is only until level 3 nodes
brazen dagger
Definition of alpha should tell you what to expect
somber minnow
I can still ask it @brazen dagger
brazen dagger
That is just funny,no offence
lean marlin
@oak barn there are, but they're not set in stone yet.
supple yarrow
is general discussion on the forums the best place for suggestions?
full badger
Yes
oak barn
Do you know where?
full badger
@oak barn the devs have said they intend the game to run on hardware that is 3-5 years old
oak barn
Hmmm so probably almost high end pcs
versed hollow
supple yarrow
my pc is 3years old already, i7 6700k, 1070 and 16gb ram
full badger
@oak barn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkwaYLOuw2s The footage in this video was recorded using a i7 7700 and a 1080Ti, for reference
oak barn
My laptop is gonna burn heat 🙂
supple yarrow
oh lmao my processor is literally the recommended system specification
primal solstice
what is the Ashes of Creation system requirements?
supple yarrow
its literally linked above?
rapid raven
is possible to create a section for Italian announcement ?
lean marlin
if there is enough demand for it, probably.
frail garnet
Does anyone know if you qould be able to breed flying mounts with the animal husbandry?
Would*
slow sky
No
versed hollow
@frail garnet flying mounts are extremely rare and cannot be berd
midnight iron
Steven in AmA talked about running a tavern, do we know if there are any other player run businesses planned?
slow sky
Animal breeders can hatch flying mount eggs and give them a longer lifespan
frail garnet
Feelabad but understandable
forest hare
@frail garnet Flying mounts were described as only given to those in control of certain areas of the map, as well as obtainable by rare eggs. + what @slow sky said
rapid raven
i have another question, i create a page and i wanna translate the news in italian, is possible or is protected by copyright ?
forest hare
I don't see why you couldnt, just put a disclaimer that you are a 3rd-party translator w/ no direct connection to them
lean marlin
@midnight iron YEs https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_stalls and some other stuff
midnight iron
@lean marlin Sweet! Will take a look. Cheers 🙂
pure sleet
so if i want to try this game to see if i like it i have to pay 25 dollars... is that right
rapid raven
@forest hare thx 😄
lean marlin
@pure sleet on release? It's 14.99 for the sub (no box cost), if you mean for alpha or beta test it's more than that.
lean marlin
yep
desert ivy
No release date. My personal estimate is summer-fall 2022
forest hare
@rapid raven np 😄
lilac lion
I feel like early 2022 but its anyones guess at this point
Can be 2023 for all we know
lapis shard
any idea how many servers per region there will be?
pure sleet
all the best i will check back in a year or so... all the best... good luck... stay safe
frail garnet
Will the nodes placment be random for every server or the same?
lean jewel
hello, i just discovered this game from a interview with the founder/majority shareholder (CEO?) and was absolutely amazed.. where can i find out more information on getting into alpha/betas how can i back this game and be able to be in testing? And is there testing currently active/scheduled?
forest hare
dates are all up-in-the-air, the best thing to do is just keep watching and keeping track of the news and the dev updates. We'll see more frequent dev updates as the game gets closer to release
desert ivy
@frail garnet No, same for each server
frail garnet
You can sign up for the upxoming beta @lean jewel
desert ivy
@lean jewel You get alpha/beta access by buying a package on their shop
versed hollow
@forest hare more info can be found here https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Release_schedule
desert ivy
No, you can't sign up, you need to buy a package
lapis shard
@lean jewel A2 is pack only for now, A1 was kickstarter only
desert ivy
You could wait until Beta 2 and hope you get one of the giveaway keys that people will be giving ouit
forest hare
@lean jewel You can find a ton of information on their youtube, they have many dev discussions and AMA questions, more info can be found on the ashes101 page as well 😄
lean jewel
i am open to purchasing packages/helping fund the development it seems very promising
desert ivy
Game's already fully funded so they technically don't need more money, but if you want to support then yeah, buy a pack on the site
lapis shard
you can find packs here https://accounts.ashesofcreation.com/shop
lean jewel
thanks guys!
lapis shard
the cosmetics change every month or so though
so if you want different ones you might be better of waiting
I think early august they'll get a new theme
onyx knoll
On the 5th
lapis shard
lean jewel
So as i am looking at the page.. it is too late to get into alpha-1 limited, correct? I would have to wait until fall yea?
versed hollow
@lean jewel yes alpha 1 access is no longer available
crystal beacon
btw the 250$ pack has insane value, 6 months subscription => 90$, 100$ in cash shop currency, leaves 60$ for alpha 2, beta 1, beta 2 and the skins. The alpha 2 is basicly permanently available until launch, so if we assume launch is 1 year after alpha 2 start, you basicly get to play this game for 5$/month (60$/12 month). Just a little recommendation from my side
keen ice
There was mention on the page of something about previous or new cosmetic on the packs what does it mean? When you buy a pack and a new set of cosmetics come out you buy that separately again? it doesnt come with the initial purchase?
do you have to spend another $250?
lilac lion
No you can buy them separately as long as they are below the package you bought
For example the $250 contains a pet and mount skin but does NOT contain a ship/freehold skin
So next month you can buy a mount skin for $20
However to get freehold or whatever skin, youd have to upgrade from $250-375
trail summit
Hello everybody, when's next alpha test ?
lilac lion
But after you have the biggest bundle, you can buy separate skins
Also alpha 1: later this year
Alpha 2: unknown
keen ice
ok so if my initial intentions to buy the $375 pack straight up and new cosmetics come out how much would the new cosmestics cost?
is it possible to view previous cosmetics and are they purchasable?
lilac lion
Cannot buy previous cosmetics
All monthly cosmetics are exclusive
And will never come in the shop every again
Ever*
And it varies from $20-35 i think? Not too sure but somewhere there for individual skins
keen ice
oh i see. do you happen to know how many sets there have been?
full badger
One per month for the last year or so
keen ice
oh dang thats a lot of exclusives missed out on
lean jewel
debating on the 250 or 375 pack :S
lilac lion
Personally i went for $375 for the ship/freehold skin from a few months back, and ofc the name reservation
But 250 also gives alpha 2
keen ice
is there any mention of when the packs might get discontinued? as in up to when can I wait to make a dicision if i want to buy the $375 pack
mainly going after the alpha 2 access and the name reserve
boreal abyss
they will let us know in advance before they take it down
supple yarrow
anyone here that is a mod on forums?
frozen tartan
the picture for the preorder package are a bit small.. Is there a way to see them in better quality?
reef jacinth
Question about the open world dungeons. Being they are not instanced I imagine they would be an easy place for pvp to inturrupt the dungeon. Is that how it will work? If so, does anyone have any experience with this type of PvE style?
lean jewel
Whats the primary resource for the latest news? Forums/Discord/Reddit/Twitter? All?
full badger
@supple yarrow All the discord mods also moderate the forums
supple yarrow
can i delete a post i made? i accidently posted in wrong section
full badger
@lean jewel twitter and discord is usually the best way to stay informed
can i delete a post i made? i accidently posted in wrong section
@supple yarrow nope. Just edit it to say it's not needed and let it fade away
keen ice
@supple yarrow click on your message --> click on 3 dots -> delete
supple yarrow
lol ok
keen ice
nvm
clever rose
Hello is it possible to have a Sea Server for Ashes of Creation?
full badger
Hello is it possible to have a Sea Server for Ashes of Creation?
@clever rose That is planned already for launch
keen ice
i hope there is OCE server
full badger
OCE server also planned for launch
clever rose
nice nice thanks
keen ice
nice. hate games without oce servers always forced in to 300ping NA servers or 250ping EU server
potent merlin
What is the aim player numbers that can exist in a sever? Within thousands or million?
full badger
What is the aim player numbers that can exist in a sever? Within thousands or million?
@potent merlin 10,000 concurrent players. 50,000 total
keen ice
i havent read anything about layering so im assuming that 10,000 can theoretically all be visible in one place if theres some huge event or some super popular streamer or something right?
tulip hatch
@supple yarrow you can report your post informing us that you want it removed and we'll get to it
harsh zealot
How does the gear work? From what i understand there's a lot of crafting involved, but do you need to level up armorsmithing to create the gear you want, or can you get someone else to craft it for you? And if someone else is crafting it for you what's stopping them just taking the items for themselves?
supple yarrow
@tulip hatch ok ty
full badger
How does the gear work? From what i understand there's a lot of crafting involved, but do you need to level up armorsmithing to create the gear you want, or can you get someone else to craft it for you? And if someone else is crafting it for you what's stopping them just taking the items for themselves?
@harsh zealot Most gear can be traded
split summit
I saw on Stevens AMA about these "Large Veins" or "large resource nodes" that have multiple resources that many players can gain resources from. Or I imagine if you're the only player that finds it you get all the resources? My question is, is it likely multiboxers will abuse this system to trade those resources to their main account?
full badger
Trust is a staple of human interaction. If you give someone mats to craft an item for you, you have to trust they will not scam you. That said, scammers will quickly be identified and blacklisted by the community
boreal abyss
just kill all the instances @split summit and loot their resources, free stuff
he can't control more than 1 at once so
split summit
Ok cool, thanks for the quick response
slate fox
olnly a % of loot is dropped though so not really loot pinatas
no word on if dropped items are lootable for non flagged people
i asked twice now
boreal abyss
First man to pick it up
boreal abyss
If you don't like it, the game is not for you 
<-- Casual, will still play
rich forge
I have a long one. With 8 archetypes resulting in 64 classes, how do you plan on keeping it balanced, properly differentiated and mechanically satisfying? Also, will auguments affect the core class mechanics and ability interplay?
Second - in regards to the recent AMA and religions giving auguments - what about atheists? Won't ignoring them force player into a choice they wouldn't have made otherwise?
boreal abyss
@rich forge party balance instead of 1v1
so rock-scissor-paper balance between classes
rich forge
Well, party balance can still lead to OP comps
rustic silo
@rich forge testing and for a deep answer for part 2 of number 1 was answered during AMA 2 days ago
boreal abyss
If something is "OP" it will ofcource be rebalanced
rich forge
Ah, I'm just midway through it
slate fox
just saying theres a reason crowfall died
full badger
btw guys, friendly reminder that this channel is for questions and answers. Having extra discussion on top of that clogs up the channel and makes it harder to answer the actual questions. Please use the #aoc-discussion and #general-discussion channels for discussions
rustic silo
@rich forge it was somewhere in the middle, question being “arent augments are a bit boring”
boreal abyss
@rich forge and Yes augments will affect core class mechanics and ability play
for instance a fighter rush which takes time where you can be CC'd or blocked, can change to teleporting to target with a Mage Augment that removes the travel time, removing the CC/block opportunity of the enemy against you
keen ice
i get that this game in not going to be super casual friendly but do you guys think someone who only plays 1-2hrs per night can still get meaningful progression?
gray cliff
Hey hello! I saw a last interview on youtube and in it Steven talked about Ocean/Asian servers... Like he doesn't know if the servers are going to be in Singapore or Melbourne/Sydney...does this mean that you are planing on just 1 server for Asia/oceanic players? Or asia will have one and oceanic 1 as well?
slate fox
not gonna argue semantics
boreal abyss
@rich forge you can be an atheist (in a world where gods are proven to exist, which is weird in itself)
but that is a choice, you are chosing to lose out on the religious benefits to play a personality, the choice is yours
rustic silo
@keen ice yes, you might have to choose to not do certain progressions to max in the game, but you can do every type of content
Or choose only few to progress into
boreal abyss
@keen ice Yes
that is why sieges for instance only happen in a certain time of day (when most ppl can play) so that those who have little time to play each day can actually join in
rich forge
@boreal abyss that I know of. I meant something more along the lines: Rush will now affect Bloodlust or whatever, because you chose a specific subclass. Or more like: you will now rely more on crits than haste for example.
keen ice
ok thats good to hear. Being an adult sucks got no time to do stuff
boreal abyss
you wont have as much progess as someone who plays more, but you will be able to
@rich forge Unknown, little is known about the class combinations and how they will affect the main archetype
rustic silo
@keen ice i hear ya, got not much time to play either
gray cliff
@simple ether Oh okay then...I'm currently in China and would be nice if we here from all over asia dont have to play on Australian servers with 200 ms..please try to keep each region with their own servers...I bet ashes will make tons of money from both..
slim shuttle
Hi Hi, new question here: Coming from Asmon stream and AMA stream, I wonder how will PvE hardcore player will be like in this game? Me and my guys from game called Albion Online are mainly PvE Gatherer and Crafter of the game and I dont know how impactful we will be in this game. As I heard from the stream, PvP is a must for PvE to progress meaningfully, I wonder if we could survive here as a PvE main guild
fickle abyss
Try living in South Africa. Almost nothing is local when it comes to online games.
rich forge
@simple ether ok, this is a satisfying answer. I think it's a risky move that will limit the player agenda, but it's in line with the setting so it's ok I think 🤔
rustic silo
@crystal beacon probably only at launch, too much costume implement that I dont think they want to test
elder yacht
Is there going to be any known method of preventing yourself from gaining XP? Like, a toggle, or some actions simply not giving XP. It's pretty niche, but I play with casual friends. When they're offline, I like to PvP or practice combos, but in MMOs that would often end up with me speeding ahead of them, even if I intentionally limit what I do.
desert ivy
Bet China would also force Intrepid to add P2W features as well
gray cliff
@simple ether ohh no man I mean have 1 Asian server is enough...Hong Kong,Singapore,Taiwan...as long as you guys don't make it with Phone numbers restricions and all that bs
desert ivy
Which Steven wouldn't want to do
boreal abyss
@slim shuttle Very impactful when it comes to the economy however as all professions will be constantly needed and no resources will go "Out of date"
lilac lion
You can try being a pure pve guild but youll need help from mercenary guilds to help you out. Or you can join a pvx guild and do your pve things in a pvx guild
boreal abyss
@elder yacht Dying, having to pay back XP debt you gain ,when paid it all back, die again
gray cliff
@desert ivy no man..here in China World of warcraft works perfectly without any bs ..
rich forge
Unknown, little is known about the class combinations and how they will affect the main archetype
@boreal abyss cheers, so it's still not disclosed. Considering how important classes are to RPGs, I'm hoping for the best
rustic silo
Arent they using My.com servers, are there any for asian community out there from them?
boreal abyss
will be closer to Alpha 2 @rich forge
atm the best I can tell is that every 2nd archetype comes with "4 Schools of Augments"
elder yacht
@simple ether Twinking is overgearing yourself at a low level. Even in this game, it seems like there'd be nothing stopping you from giving a lower level better gear for that level to get the same effect, and gimping your XP doesn't =/= twinking
@boreal abyss That's about what I thought, thanks
gray cliff
I hope ashes of creation don't use 3rd party publishers for other countries...its HELL annoying ..
slim shuttle
If so, how will be the alliances system work if there is one? like we will be a pure PvE guilds and we will co-op with PvP guild to become a gud alliances?
Albion has this system and its work out quite good
gray cliff
you don't need a chinese server tho...
boreal abyss
^ same reason why they chose a publisher for EU
gray cliff
just make an asian one..
slate fox
how will they run this game in china with necros?
keen ice
Ive heard that the devs will be suprt strict about enforcing TOS. Has there been any mention of any in-game mods that can insta ban an obvious abusers or will it rely on the volume of player reports before a person is actually penalised?
rustic silo
@slim shuttle craft - raid alliances, hardcore guild alliances, alliances between nodes, mercenary alliances, alliances for the sake of one persons masterys
boreal abyss
@keen ice any and all who are found using 3rd party programs
gray cliff
making a server in China is problem for yourselves...
keen ice
really hate how thousands of reports in runescape or wow doesnt do anything even if caught on video evidence
slim shuttle
wait u mentioned 4 Guilds can be in 1 alliance, so like... u cant be pure Military alliance or some sort
signal inlet
Are we going to be seeing a lot of repeated quests if we go from one area to the other. Or is each hub semi unique
keen ice
oh thats a good point has intrepid stated any stance on plugins or non OP 3rd party programs as you mentioned? Like damage meters and such? or is there just a blanket rule of no 3rd part whatsoever
boreal abyss
@signal inlet quests, no
tasks, prob
slate fox
there no way to preveiw next months skins for the prepaid packs is there?
boreal abyss
@slate fox they show them off a bit before replacing them
@keen ice DPS meter = ban, any addon = ban
slate fox
Thank you @boreal abyss
rustic silo
@signal inlet unique quests, some that will work as a quest line if you reach threshhold for node level of multiple nodes
forest pike
The size of each node is as big as a metropolis or as they will grow their zoi swallow nearby nodes?
boreal abyss
- Node and ZOI are different.
- Metro is biggest size Node(City)
- ZOI can swallow nearby nodes, which Vassalize the nodes they now cover
rustic silo
keen ice
i mean cant really prevent that. eventually an end game will be reached and strategies will be thought of for activities. I cant really think of a way to prevent a meta from forming even without add-ons people might result in literal paper calculation
boreal abyss
metas are fine
slim shuttle
so its like once a node reach Metro it will be indestructable?
crystal beacon
a meta will always form lol
boreal abyss
they will change as things change
And some people like to build counter-metas to pingpong meta players
rustic silo
@slim shuttle metros can be sieged and fully destroyed to 0
boreal abyss
If you don't protect your shit, it might go to shit 😛
forest pike
@simple ether ahh thanks now it makes sense
slim shuttle
so if you r like from top right of the map, can you seige the bottom left nodes?
rich forge
@simple ether I'll have a follow up to this. Add-ons are like a free market - players want stuff, somebody delivers. I assume you will be gathering feedback about missing QoL features, discussing them internally and implementing if deemed good for the game, but aren't you afraid that this sort of system will be too slow for the players and too much of a strain for the team? This said, I generally applaud the idea of limiting addons - boss mods, quest finders and group finders are not good for the game imo.
brittle ferry
What about general guild vs guild wars, is there a distinction between the 3, node siege, Node War, Guild/alliance wars?
keen ice
yeah look at oldschool runescape and third party clients. Literal quality of life features that has no negative effects on the game the devs dont wanna bother updating vanilla client but the third party clients update it daily and isnt against tos
boreal abyss
there will be "goals" in relation to a Guild War
rich forge
Oh, I was under impression that you are a dev, sorry then. Will take it to forums I guess.
brittle ferry
Is there much information of that front, though? Had it asked twice later last night
rustic silo
There will also be wars between religions too arent there?
boreal abyss
@rustic silo Unknown as of now, but that would be a lot of fun if it was in game
boreal abyss
(Might be possible as there are "Good" and "Evil" Gods)
rustic silo
^ thats what I am thinking
keen ice
yeah from what i can see the devs are very passionate for the game i am really hopeful for this game.
rustic silo
Neutral, good and evil gods
boreal abyss
but I think that would more be a "player invented" thing than a system thing tbh
slim bluff
Anyone know if i buy the beta package on the US site, but play on asia servers on launch, do i still get the extra rewards on the asia server?
slate fox
any word on location of NA servers? Dallas NY ect?
slim bluff
Ok thanks!
forest pike
@boreal abyss only once?
weak monolith
Question: Can a node contain a temple to only one deity, or is there room for more than one (perhaps in a metropolis)? Is there any system in place to combat the inevitability that a meta will form around which religion to pick because it will be the only one anyone builds temples for? Or will we be stuck on a merry-go-round of constantly changing religions to keep up with what we have support for?
boreal abyss
Maybe it was just things like "Lifetime sub" that only transfered with your account once 
rustic silo
@simple ether is there anything confirmed about transferring between servers after launch date?
forest pike
Well that's not good
unkempt depot
Is it too late to become a "summer backer"?
brittle ferry
It's perfect, he'll be replaced
rustic silo
Good
boreal abyss
@unkempt depot yes
brittle ferry
Yes @unkempt depot
green dew
is eu and russia going to be bundled together?
unkempt depot
What can I even do that is of value now then? It seems the good ships already sailed.
I can't buy skins anymore it seems
weak monolith
Thanks @simple ether ! Sounds cool
slim shuttle
Just watch the vids ty @simple ether, which kinda question me how will one nodes reacts if like 50 dif nodes go for "nodes siege" against you, will it be just another zerg G*ng ?
green dew
nice
boreal abyss
@unkempt depot To separarely buy skins, you need to have a Pre-order Package currenly sold on Intrepid's site
slate fox
will there de discounts on longer sub models (like $12 US per month for 12 months/$15 per month monthly)
boreal abyss
and you can only separately buy the skins in the pack you bought or lower of future packs
unkempt depot
But the one currently up is nothing compared to the earlier ones right?
It is 5 skins?
boreal abyss
@unkempt depot up to your personal taste
lots of ppl loved the last months pack more than KS stuff even
unkempt depot
Oh so this preorder pack is different each month? I don't like this swamp theme one
brittle ferry
Yes Ziltch, that's a fact
boreal abyss
@unkempt depot then wait till next month, they change them each month
brittle ferry
Wait until August 5th, I think is the release of the new cosmetics
slim shuttle
also, will there be any future cross server events? like some portals open in the middle of the map and both sides will rush in like Endgame scene(just for reference)
boreal abyss
@slim shuttle no
boreal abyss
@unkempt depot You get skins you don't want
@unkempt depot Say you buy 250$ Pack now
Then next month you can buy any skins in the 250$ pack or lower separately
strong drum
yes, depends how much money you have and how much time is left - if you have the money for the whole pack buy now but if you can only afford a lil bit dont bother just give up on that pack or youll end up with half one and half another if you upgrade later
boreal abyss
but not the skins in the 375$ pack
regal tulip
Hey guys, i'm new here. Where can i cand suggestions and feedback to the developers?
boreal abyss
@regal tulip forums
unkempt depot
So say I buy 375 now, I could buy a bunch of skins each month
boreal abyss
@unkempt depot Yes
unkempt depot
how much are those skins separately?
boreal abyss
25$ for caravan/boat, freehold and costume
20$ for mount
15$ for pet
5$ for accesory
I think it was
regal tulip
Can u please link me a good forum that developers actualy reed?
boreal abyss
it's optional supporter packs for those who wants to
strong drum
i did want too till i realised its 600 in one month or miss out lol
boreal abyss
@unkempt depot You mighjt be able to find similar (but not the same) skins in game or in the future cash shop
idle breach
How latency dependant is the game expected to be for semi-hardcore players? I live in EU but consider playing on NA. Is this known yet?
strong drum
im in australia
boreal abyss
so most ppl buy the packs for Alpha/Beta access
unkempt depot
I only see the current packs, why can't I see any of those that you have?
strong drum
so for me to have gotten toe skins i wanted to support the game i had to pay $600 during covid in the space of like 4 weeks
idle breach
Yes
keen ice
are there content creators in game that preview the skins live in game now?
boreal abyss
@unkempt depot after 1 pack is replaced with another, they will no longer sell those specific skins
strong drum
totally left a sour taste in my mouth for aoc
boreal abyss
@strong drum dw, yo ucan find similar stuff in game or in the cash shop in the future
unkempt depot
I wish I could see the asset in game and not just with concept art
boreal abyss
there is no requirement to buy a pre-order pack
strong drum
its a bad design for anyone who doesnt have loads of cash tbh
why would it be so bad for me to upgrade the pack of the month i purchased
desert ivy
Good thing that cosmetics don't give any bonuses in game then 
keen path
@idle breach I think it mostly depends on the combat system, usually action combat relies more on ping than tab target. As they use both here, its all up to how they implement the final combat system.
strong drum
i was here active for that months pack and i want my cash to go to that
regal tulip
How would you guys feel if better cosmetics cash shop itens were unlocked as you level up and maybe progress in religion ranking ?
strong drum
not half of next moths pack its a bit dumb to me
unkempt depot
I guess i just have to eat less if I want more skins
boreal abyss
@regal tulip in game will not affect cash shop in any way and vice versa
strong drum
i want to pay the full price just couldnt do it in 4 weeks but that means i miss out
it hurts my dudes
idle breach
Okay, hopefully the alpha/beta experience will give me a good clue. Thank you @keen path
keen ice
I hope cool skins are obtainable via game play and not all the badass looking skins restricted in the cash shop
boreal abyss
@strong drum Should have read up and understood how the packages worked before you bought, but what can one do
strong drum
they say its for the player and the reason for sub is lower costs no greed etc yet to get the sweet skins they force a 4 week timer
boreal abyss
@keen ice in-game cosmetics will be on par with cash-shop oines
official statement from Intrepid
strong drum
i know its my fault but it still stings
forest pike
@keen ice I'm worried everyone will look badass
strong drum
i only found out about aoc when that skin had 3 weeks left
as we know all other mmos just been let downs
boreal abyss
Let's keep this channel to Q&A 🙂
strong drum
yeah sorry im just salty lol
forest pike
It's too late
strong drum
that text i dont think is clear enough
regal tulip
@boreal abyss but as in game cosmetics usualy get better as you have batter rarity itens, wouldn't be balaced if you unlock better cash shop itens as your in game gear gets better?
keen ice
oh yeah how does gear and cosmetics work? Is it a transmog type where a cosmetic can inherit the stats of a gear or is there separate slots for cosmetics that go on top of the gear like ff14
slate fox
"Best looking cosmetics" its really subjective to tastes tbh not objective
unkempt depot
I just worry that a big guild will kick me out of their node or make me enemy of the state since I don't have the cool skin that all of them have. If you don't match them then why would they want to be seen in public with you?
slate fox
made me lol
slim shuttle
We have system requirement yet for the game? I need to see if I need new laptop/pc
only alpha 
boreal abyss
@slim shuttle official statement is "tech 5 years prior to release"
lapis shard
Will every player character have a first and last name, or just one name?
boreal abyss
first and surename
lapis shard
awyis
slim shuttle
I wonder if my Intel graphics HD 620 Mobile will be able to handle the game 
boreal abyss
@slim shuttle prob not
lapis shard
immersion 
oak barn
In conclusion most toasters wont load 😄
silver geyser
Buy 2080rtx and u won’t have to worry
boreal abyss
Please keep this channel to Q&A only
regal tulip
Would be cool if your surname was granted by joing a family !?
boreal abyss
We don't know if there will be such a system
sweet void
I got a question about cooking, would we need recipes or just trial and error ingredients until we have the right ones?
boreal abyss
both as far as they have told us
slim shuttle
same goes for potion too
boreal abyss
recipes for potions sadly
slim shuttle
no recipes for potion?
boreal abyss
only recipes
zinc echo
you guys think its possible for the game to come out in 2022, or is that optimistic?
boreal abyss
"Hopeful" is the word I'd go for
regal tulip
Cool question @slim shuttle
slim shuttle
I wish it would be little bit like Skyrim, u need to eat it to test it
boreal abyss
Only "professiosn" that will have "experimentation" is "Cooking/Brewing" and "Breeding"
slim shuttle
isnt brewing for potions?
hardy bolt
but once someone eats it everyone will know what it does so it doesn't effect things that much
boreal abyss
alcohol/drinks - Brewing
regal tulip
What about players shops. If i decide to be a blacksmith master. Will i be able to have my own shop at a given node, or onlu craft and sell it at the market?
boreal abyss
@regal tulip "shop"
radiant vapor
does anyone know what LIMITED - PAX Exclusive Digital Cosmetics is
i bought it a while ago and i forgot what it was
boreal abyss
you can sell stuff at a stall, which iwll be listed on a "sale list" in the node
radiant vapor
yeah i think so
sweet void
Also kinda curious about freehold being able to add a tavern for example, would it be fair to assum that we can add other shops as long as we have the blueprint? Or are we somehow locked to an area in our freehold for large infrastructure?
regal tulip
Thaks @simple ether
boreal abyss
@sweet void not shops, but you can add buildings for crafting such as a smelter etc
steep harbor
When they mean by free, that means that you can only only progress at a certain level and you need to pay the sub to lvl up more, yea?