You can't, but it could be a nice feature if considered.
#questions
simple pecan
heady valve
I am new here but is the kickstarter program ended cause I cant see where to buy a package at.
pastel osprey
just the main site to buy packages
steady ocean
It ended 2 years ago
ebon star
Kickstarter ended in 2017
pastel osprey
😂
sage dagger
simple pecan
Taking WoW for example, they needed to implement spec-swapping because few people want to play as a tank in all other aspects of the game. The role is forced even in PvP or if you're wanting to do other things. Always a tank. Very limiting.
onyx knoll
@heady valve https://accounts.ashesofcreation.com/shop
cunning sparrow
I heard there will be a Forum opened up for a further discussion on multiboxing as I heard this was a big topic that is still being addressed. You are not allowed to play multiple accounts from one PC but can play on multiple PC's
onyx knoll
wow has a ration of 1 tank for 3 dps, which is half of Ashes
pastel osprey
could always make alts. everyone should have tank and healer alts
short coral
Is account selling legal?
onyx knoll
so you literally need twice as many tanks in WoW then in Ashes
crystal drum
@crystal drum right I’m most likely going to do that
@steel lily To my understanding through steven example of the fighter mage is that if you pick Fighter as a secondary it will reinforce you Fighter abilities within the damage abilities of the tank Spec. If you pick the Fighter spec you will get a reinforcement on the tank abilities of the fighter spec. Might work for lesser dungeons but im shure that if you want to go for hardcore raiding, guidls will need TANK tanks. Im a Healer and I know I will go either priest or bard first
steady ocean
Against the rules yes
crystal beacon
@pastel osprey I think it is highly likely tank secondary augments will include some form of aggro generation
simple pecan
Here's a Reddit thread on the issue, but it's not the mentioned discussion thread, which isn't out yet: https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/hyea9v/confusion_on_multiboxing/
ebon star
crystal beacon
@short coral hard no
short coral
Good
thorn quartz
is the cleric staff combo ability only useable with a staff? aka do clerics have to use a staff?
pastel osprey
@crystal beacon yea i'd guess it was probable too, but i don't like the idea.
crystal beacon
@pastel osprey why not? They still won’t have the staying power of actual tanks/be able to main tank difficult content
pastel osprey
well yea if they can't just swap out for main tanks in raids or what not
then i'm fine with it
just don't want the tank primary role to be diluted. want it to mean something
bold storm
hello, when The game is online. will there be a SEA server or close to asia server to be playable?
rain bear
hello, when The game is online. will there be a SEA server or close to asia server to be playable?
@bold storm Next alpha stage is some time this year, presumably fall
crystal beacon
Both SEA and OCE servers are planned
rain bear
Beta and actual launch are anywhere between a year and 3 years away
crystal drum
just don't want the tank primary role to be diluted. want it to mean something
@pastel osprey If I had to make up my own idea of what Steven been talking about, If you pick fighter You might have a Charge, and if you pick a TANK as a second class, that charge might transform into a pull.
Like DK wow pulls
crimson crane
Beta and actual launch are anywhere between a year and 3 years away
@rain bear this saddens me
simple pecan
I expect something like fall 2022 launch at the soonest.
crystal beacon
@simple pecan lol was about to say. Yeah, 4th quarter 2022 is the safest (hopeful) bet
cunning sparrow
cyberpunk 2077 has been in development for 8 years. This gives you a perspective that making a GOOD game takes awhile
cunning sparrow
6 years for AoC is a good number to wait for
crimson crane
cyberpunk2077 hasn't come out yet
short coral
Not a good example lol 😂
rain bear
@rain bear this saddens me :nymnSaj:
@crimson crane Think about it this way, you have all this time to play the Alpha & Beta to get used to the game, so you can steamroll early game and get your freehold/alts up and running come launch day
cunning sparrow
how is that not a good example
grand ingot
Is there gonna be a armor customization feature from a crafting standpoint, like choosing the color of a coat and so on.
crimson crane
I don't know how the game will work so I'd be happy to play during beta to get used
ngl I love the idea of not playing for pve leveling but just artisanship
crystal beacon
@grand ingot there will be a dye system but we don’t know if you can affect such things directly in the crafting process
balmy juniper
Any Info on when Alpha 2 Starts?
hasty osprey
is there a weight system in Ashes like BDO has?
crystal beacon
@balmy juniper negative
crimson crane
I do hope there'd be a weight system and inventory space limit
balmy juniper
Is Alpha 1 even Out?
crystal beacon
@hasty osprey they’re still deciding on how inventory space is limited
rain bear
Yes
cunning sparrow
more or less
stable plover
@hasty osprey There is a both weight and inventory slots
cunning sparrow
it's out to limited amount of people @balmy juniper it's coming out to alpha 1 key players in fall
crystal beacon
@balmy juniper alpha 1 officially starts in the fall, they’re kind of in alpha 0.5 right now
crimson crane
I just want to play a game that feels like old Runescape or Ultima Online
short coral
^^
crimson crane
cunning sparrow
this probably belongs in general discussions
crystal drum
Had to use Google Translate for this one, hope it expresses what I mean.
Will the different pieces of armor modify the appearance of the character individually? Or if I wear a torso, will it change how the pants look, etc?
stable plover
@crystal drum pieces of armor usually modify individually, but the 'costumes' in shop modify it all
crystal beacon
bold storm
til then i should hide on my mancave to be safe to wait and play this game lol
crimson crane
Speaking of costumes, hopefully there won't be only one piece full sets but have options for single piece costume gear, right?*
fair yew
There are some of both
crimson crane
I do like to mix and match pieces
stable plover
@crimson crane The pieces in the wayfarer set are individual pieces
fair yew
Costumes affect all whereas individual cosmetics would affect pieces.
crystal beacon
Is there a confirmation about gold & items beeing tradeable from player to player? And are there any items which won't be tradeable?
fair yew
So like the peddler costume would be a whole thing versus buying a cosmetic set which would be individual
bold storm
i hope the trading system is not like in BDO
crystal drum
@crystal drum pieces of armor usually modify individually, but the 'costumes' in shop modify it all
@stable plover That sounds great. I hope you guys do not put so much effort on creating sets of armor that look alike for every level zone. I mean looking like a rainbow is part of the reality = immersive. I understand if they are sets dropped from dungeons, raids and pvp content, But mob drops, quests and world bosses are extending the game development unnecesarily
crimson crane
OH YOOOO I think Steven confirmed this on the asmongold interview but gear won't be bound to characters, right?
crystal beacon
@crystal beacon there is hard confirmation that items will be tradeable, and most gear will not be soul bound (some exceptions, like legendaries)
fair yew
You can trade almost everything item wise. There will be some soul bound items
crimson crane
okay epic
steady ocean
Not soul bound no, except a few quest and role items
crystal beacon
I can't believe that
bold storm
i think it will be better if legendaries are the only bound items
crystal beacon
This game sound to good to be true
stable plover
@crystal beacon items/gold are tradeable player to player - There are also player shops and stalls and markets in economic nodes for player to player trading
crystal drum
@crystal beacon items/gold are tradeable player to player - There are also player shops and stalls and markets in economic nodes for player to player trading
@stable plover Asmongold gonna be happy about this.
stable plover
@stable plover Note the Mods aren't Intrepid employees - We're volunteers
crystal beacon
@crystal beacon items/gold are tradeable player to player - There are also player shops and stalls and markets in economic nodes for player to player trading
@stable plover Great to hear that. Are there methods anounced against botters/itemsellers and will there be hwid bans instead of ip bans or even both?
stable plover
@crystal beacon There will be rare non-tradeable items, legendries and some class specific quest items are the only examples I can think of.
pastel osprey
how soon after launch can we create guilds?
and any info on the process of creating guilds?
stable plover
@crystal beacon https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Security_systems -> A lot of what we know
crimson crane
Where does one apply for in-game GM positions?
pastel osprey
ah i should probably read guilds in the wiki
stable plover
@pastel osprey Guilds are formable in the starting areas, so soon
crimson crane
I could use a job
steady ocean
Probably with the hiring director at Intrepid if you want to become a dev
pastel osprey
okay so what are the minimum level and currency and material requirements for creating guilds?
steady ocean
Didn’t you just say you should read the wiki on guilds lol
stable plover
@pastel osprey minimum members, materials, a questline, and character level are required. (don't know more details like what level)
pastel osprey
i want to become a dev but i just graduated from bootcamp and i don't know any c++ just web development 😔
steady ocean
And I doubt it is known on the specifics
pastel osprey
ah okay ty grepelt!
yea i read the wiki and saw that that's whats required i guess the specifics on that isnt out yet
faint galleon
i wonder if items that people create will have the person who made it somewhere in the flavor text
stable plover
@crimson crane they're not currently hiring in game GMs - https://intrepidstudios.com/careers hiring page
crystal drum
Yo guys, please DM the mods or check on Job Opportunities from the devs internet site to apply for jobs, this is in game question channel
grizzled latch
Legendary items will not be soulbound, they are meant to be a team effort and team reward
stable plover
@pastel osprey (They are hiring a Full Stack Web Developer - Doesn't require C++ but requires a bunch of other things)
round belfry
♥️
simple pecan
Death penalties seem a bit too severe if your resources at home are dropped too.
crimson crane
Don't let PKers in your home
ashen orchid
Don't die, penalties aren't severe.
cunning sparrow
Steven mentioned that "they are always looking for talented folk, so even if the job is not listed, you're always welcome.."
stable plover
@simple pecan Your resources stored at home are safe when you just normally die out in the world
simple pecan
I mean if you're out in the wild, are killed, and your stuff you have stored at home drops as loot for others to pick up.
crimson crane
I genuinely hope there'd be non-combat zones like the taverns people can build
simple pecan
Ah ok.
crystal beacon
You only drop a %of what you’re currently carrying
stable plover
@simple pecan Resources (not finished products) from your home can only be looted by others when the node your home is in is destroyed (Not actually related to your death)
crystal beacon
I would love to have a saveoption when beeing attacked to not loose something
simple pecan
I do hope there's some safer option to store things in, then. Would suck to lose nice sentimental items because the nearby city was sieged. I don't suppose there would be any sanctuary cities with safe storage.
crystal beacon
@crystal beacon you only drop a % gatherables and processed goods, no complete items (unless corrupted)
median ice
A buddy and i were wondering when the Beta will drop and i myself cannot find any info on this. Anyone know?
simple pecan
The corrupted consequences to seem appropriate.
crimson crane
no info yet
simple pecan
do*
crystal beacon
@simple pecan you won’t lose completed items as far as I’m aware. they’ll be mailed to you.
simple pecan
Sounds good. Ty ty
cunning sparrow
Will there be banks? This seems like a good option to place some high valued items in banks with an insurance that even when under Node destruction there is some guarantee your item is safe
crystal beacon
I could be wrong, that may just be your housing items @simple pecan trying to find confirmation
onyx knoll
@median ice we don't have any dates for any of the beta, alpha 1 is starting in fall anything else after we doN,t know
And yeah yon don't lose completed items like gear potions etc when your house is destroyed
ruby swift
The interactions shown in the 4k test video are just placeholder for testing guilds. @pastel osprey
onyx knoll
No banks that can protect your materials
median ice
@onyx knoll How does one get the pleasure of being an Alpha game tester? 
simple pecan
That's alright if my completed items are safe.
onyx knoll
you pay lots of sweet sweet moneyz
cunning sparrow
does that mean banks can be looted
onyx knoll
you can't get into alpha 1, it's closed, but alpha 2 you can get it by buying the packs ont he website https://accounts.ashesofcreation.com/shop
coral sonnet
I bought the 375 dolla one
crimson crane
any gifters?
onyx knoll
there aren't banks per say, but you can get extended storage in your housing
cunning sparrow
oh I see
coral sonnet
No banks at all?
onyx knoll
not that i'm aware of
coral sonnet
No place to store your gold?
onyx knoll
your own storage
coral sonnet
Doodoo
pastel osprey
@ruby swift oh ty i did not know the guild stuff was shown in the 4k video, i should actually go through that.
stable plover
@coral sonnet Gold doesn't have weight and can't be dropped, just keep it on you
crimson crane
no safe space boys, gives you even more pressure to defend your node whenever it's under siege
crystal beacon
You don’t drop gold on death, no real need to store it
simple pecan
Only other concerns are the suggestion that people would drop blueprints on death, or that stats are lost upon death (no time period given that I can see).
onyx knoll
you won't lose stored gold either if your storage is broken
coral sonnet
@coral sonnet Gold doesn't have weight and can't be dropped, just keep it on you
@stable plover oh thanks
Didn’t know that
ruby swift
There is no gifting of cosmetics or other account bound items. This includes keys for alpha. There were some Kickstarter tiers that have B1 and B2 keys that can be gifted later.
modest ermine
Will classes that have the same archetypes but in different orders have very similar abilities?
crystal beacon
@simple pecan stats aren’t directly dropped by death, but instead by exp debt growing to a point that it would bring you back a level. You get rid of it by gaining exp.
onyx knoll
Oh there might be a guild bank that guilds can purchase with guild points, and then it would be placed in the guild freehold
crystal beacon
@modest ermine no you only have abilities based on your main archetype, the secondary augments them
simple pecan
Oh wow, it would actually revert levels instead of stopping at the start point of one. Interesting.
crystal beacon
@simple pecan you don’t actually lose the level, just stats
modest ermine
I assume they will augment them in different ways though right?
coral sonnet
Does anyone know what happens if I select the second class as the same primary?
From my understanding you usually augment your primary skills with features from the secondary class so IDK how that would work
stable plover
@modest ermine nope - their abilities will be 100% different -> some of them might do similar things though, all abilities come from the primary (first) archetype, the second archetype provides augments to modify the abilities
toxic vine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/257293098915332096/737049251057762304/Screenshot_485.png
@pastel osprey Can anybody confirm that alpha and beta co-exist? There is no marking for alpha to end before beta
crystal beacon
@modest ermine Yes? You asked if they’d (say a bard/tank and a tank/bard) would have similar abilities, but they won’t have any abilities in common at all
ruby swift
You gain exp debt that has to be worked off before you continue to progress. The higher the amount of debt the higher the stat impact. This is to make the system viable for those at "max level"
cunning sparrow
Is there an option if you can do a name change, or server change? For free or paid
stable plover
@toxic vine A2 will continue during B1/B2 - A2 is 24/7 till launch (minus any necessary maintenance)
toxic vine
24/7 really?
stable plover
@toxic vine B1/B2 have scheduled sessions (the reason people would keep playing A2)
pastel osprey
B1/B2 will both be wiped tho?
crystal beacon
@cunning sparrow no server changes, name changes unsure
coral sonnet
So the progress we made during alpha will be kept?
pastel osprey
ah ic ic
onyx knoll
So far no name change/server change, they want your reputation to matter, and since every server will evolve differently through nodes you can't transfer
crystal beacon
No all progress is cleared on launch
coral sonnet
Bet
pastel osprey
i'm guessing b1/b2 will be quite different than a2 tho
maybe people will just keep playing to discover more node information
stable plover
A2 becomes the test server post launch, no characters nodes, etc carry over to the live game (it's possible they might have promotions to earn cosmetics that go to the account)
ruby swift
The a2 servers will have the same iterations as the beta ones
pastel osprey
i don't think a2 will be till 2021
limpid acorn
Is there dates for the upcoming alpha/betas?
stable plover
@pastel osprey A2 is accessible even after the launch of B1 (and B2) - B1 isn't accessible after B2
ruby swift
No, as you can watch streams. All progress will be wiped. And there will be multiple wipes during testing.
toxic vine
Gotta get something for that $$ tho I understand that
simple pecan
Founders get a two-day head start at launch.
toxic vine
I dont mean the progress ingame, of course testing phase progress is wiped. I mean the knowledge that alpha testers learn by playing the alpha
pastel osprey
i think there is no NDA
simple pecan
Their knowledge will largely be available online.
stable plover
@limpid acorn A1 starts before the end of the year in the fall (LoM start pre-alpha 1 test next month, BoW start sometime after that, Intrepid pack holders get in at official launch)
ruby swift
@simple pecan
modest ermine
Will there be store exclusive mounts?
hasty osprey
Will you be able to hide helmet and cloak in game?
ruby swift
yes
toxic vine
so you can still get knowledge from people streaming them
@pastel osprey Can you imagine I dont wanna learn the whole game this way
pastel osprey
eh gotta do what you gotta do man. node knowledge will be very crucial early game to stay competitive i think
stable plover
@modest ermine There will be store exclusive cosmetic mounts, but also just as fancy mounts earnable in game with work
cunning sparrow
there's going to be a lot of unknown territory at launch. Steven said they will be transparent with a lot of improvements and updates they make but he wants to keep the story and the feel of discovery @toxic vine
simple pecan
It is refreshing, having concerns so frequently lifted and being left with nothing but what appears to be a sure success. Such a rare thing these days.
pastel osprey
it's kinda crazy most game launches people just focus on individual levels, but for aoc it seems like focus will be on node discovery
cunning sparrow
2-day head start still won't uncover a lot of the game at launch
short coral
40 days 4-6 hours a day for max level right
pastel osprey
45 days i think
short coral
So can you imagine nodes lol
fading latch
Node system is deactivated during headstart @short coral
cunning sparrow
it's gonna take awhile to traverse the entire map so most of the time, people will remain mostly at around their spawns to get their first couple days of grinding
stable plover
(Note: the 2 day headstart is also on special headstart servers, of which there will be 1 per US/EU/OCE)
crystal beacon
@toxic vine We will only have access to a small portion of the map during alpha so there will still be plenty of unknown content
raw totem
So is there a time range of beta testing or release?
crystal beacon
Not yet
cunning sparrow
thhis fall
fading latch
We are coming into Alpha 1 end of the year. Then itll be Alpha 2 THEN betas
crystal beacon
Alpha 1 officially starts in the fall
pastel osprey
alpha 1 yes
crystal beacon
The alpha 2 will start... whenever they’re satisfied with alpha 1
cunning sparrow
i assume we will get an ETA on alpha 2 after alpha 1 finishes
fading latch
At some point after yes
limpid acorn
very tempted to just buy the largest founder pack
toxic vine
Whats the alpha 1 purpose? Prepare for alpha 2?
tidal nexus
to test .....
limpid acorn
I got a decent group for a guild so it would be helpful to know the game
fading latch
Small scale testing of majority of the systems and the world limited to 10k testers @toxic vine
toxic vine
I dont mean to sound ignorant, this is not my first language, I am just curious
fading latch
Alpha 2 will open up the rest for rigorous testing @toxic vine
toxic vine
Okay so going through the biggest things and that they work gotcha
fading latch
Yes friend ^^
tidal nexus
@toxic vine usually the devs roll out portions of the game with limited functionality to test aspects of the coding / bugs and stuff. Then they will roll out A2 with a larger portion of the game opened up to expand testing...rinse repeat rinse repeat until release .
pastel osprey
i'm just excited to see all the classes out
cunning sparrow
@toxic vine Here is what they are testing during Alpha 1
fading latch
We will get basic class kits in A1. Full kits in A2@pastel osprey
thin pendant
I kinda have the same issue that Steven said yesterday I wanna see stuff but I dont wanna ruin the new game experencie at launch
pastel osprey
idc about that lol gotta get all the knowledge you can to stay competitive 🤣
i'm sure there will still be plenty of new stuff to discover
glad spoke
Will Alpha 2 be lvl locked so you can only level until a certain lvl?
cunning sparrow
you won't be able to get very far in terms of levelling in the first place
digital yacht
@glad spoke thats unknown but we can assume yes
balmy talon
I believe they said level 20.
thin pendant
yeah I kinda have the same issues I wanna be on top once it launches
cunning sparrow
Data will be wiped before launch
late vale
hes Right
crystal beacon
@balmy talon It'll be 25 (at least), as that's when full classes come in
cunning sparrow
you can still have insight while viewing streams
thin pendant
Yes, but that would still spoil the fresh game xp
nothing to do with the game tho thats just the way she goes
prisma talon
so im confused here, will people be able to be higher than level one when the game is launched?
pastel osprey
hey at least this isn't another korean mmo that launches a full 2-3 years before NA and you literally already know all the content for years to come beforehand 😔
thin pendant
What about the server reservation list?
stable plover
@thin pendant A1 doesn't continue during A2 but A2 continues during B1
crystal beacon
@prisma talon There will be a couple day headstart on one server per region for certain pack holders. Otherwise, no.
stable plover
@thin pendant Server reservations were first mentioned in Stevens AMA - We don't have details of when.
thin pendant
Well, gtg, later guys
glad spoke
Will the persistent Alpha 2 server be updated to the "beta server content" when it releases or will it stay as alpha 2.
digital yacht
it will turn into the PTR after A2 ends so assume so
glad spoke
i thought it was going to turn into that when the game releases and not when beta starts
digital yacht
a2 will persist all the way to launch
stable plover
@glad spoke A2 keeps getting updates (not necessarily the same ones as Beta depending on what they want to test in beta)
crystal beacon
@glad spoke differentiating whether A2 becomes PTR after alpha or after beta is really just semantics, it's the testing realm either way, no?
cunning sparrow
server reservations are gonna be filling up fast with the streamers and their communities
digital yacht
thne dont ppick a streamer server
cunning sparrow
if there are even any left to pick, i will
stable plover
@crystal beacon The difference is probably in what the P stands for (public)
glad zephyr
If it's anything like Classic(esp since we'll have the Asmon crowd again), a few servers will fill up fast while the rest became indicative of their future populations
formal ravine
given how heavily ephasized the game is on node content, isnt giving pre-supporters a couple days headstart on nodes a HUGE advantage?
neat mural
pure curiosity what is the current max settings for the game?
formal ravine
look a non combat system question from me 😄
digital yacht
@formal ravine the node ststem is not active on HS servers
until launch day
those 2 days are basically to get out of the starting area away from the mobs LOL
formal ravine
oh cool
crystal beacon
@formal ravine And the headstart is only on a single server per region out of the many on top of that
glad spoke
I wonder how they will inform you how your second class pick affects your character, will they have a tutorial where you can try out each pick before you choose one or will it be just text.
balmy juniper
Where is it stated that some Packs get an early start?
fading latch
@balmy juniper Kickstarter
shadow current
During kickstarter
rapid crater
fluid sonnet
@glad spoke By the time the game actually releases, you'll likely have info on the wiki of each class and subclass because of how open the development is
balmy juniper
So Not possible With the Packs we can currently buy?
fading latch
@balmy juniper no
glad zephyr
You'll be able to swap, so it's not a lock-in choice at least
balmy juniper
Fugg
crystal beacon
2nd monitor master race
fluid sonnet
I can't imagine life with only 1 monitor
balmy juniper
Best Thing about Alpha/Beta will be Testing all the classes to be Sure what to Pick on Launch
glad spoke
yeah
crystal beacon
If you're not in alpha, I'm sure there will be alpha players making extensive videos on classes and their abilities.
fluid sonnet
Yeah if you are the type of person that needs to know in advance everything your class can do and wants to weigh all options of each class/subclass before picking, there will be plenty of data to research that before full launch
so you won't have to tab out. You can research in advance
balmy juniper
Still a Bit to get a feel yourself through playing
digital yacht
then u can test it in beta >.<
sullen kite
So to play currently you have to buy in yeah?
digital yacht
yes
balmy juniper
But not for 2 years LUL
shadow current
Yeah, I’ll probably just cop the beta pack
balmy juniper
There will be open Beta? :O
fluid sonnet
To get access to alpha 2 and onwards, you must buy in.
digital yacht
by streamers and stuff
sullen kite
Is that the point of registering? For the chance at keys?
median lotus
If I become mayor of a town I shall provide free waffles for all
fluid sonnet
Is it confirmed there will NEVER be an open beta? It's not possible that they do a brief open beta right before launch? Just curious
glad zephyr
Registering right now will get you a statue to decorate your home with
digital yacht
@fluid sonnet atm yes
limber onyx
when you say keys to give away, are those the beta 0?
balmy juniper
Alpha 2 is only the 375 pack isnt it
cunning sparrow
what you can do is watch streamers play alpha 1, and if you are satisfied, buy alpha 2 key
digital yacht
@limber onyx no that was canned
glad spoke
Maybe if they stress test the servers there will be a open one. But nothing planed
limber onyx
@balmy juniper I bought the $250 pack which also has alpha 2
digital yacht
@glad spoke wont need a stress test as there is enuf ppl in Alpha 1 to fill a whole server pile that on top of Beta1/2 we have prob over 40k ppl
wont need open beta
sullen kite
What are peoples thoughts on the game so far, those who have bought into ti anyway
balmy juniper
Name Reservation will BE Worth the additional 125😋
digital yacht
@sullen kite ask me in a month or two when LoM gets to test >.<
sullen kite
Righto 😉
balmy talon
@sullen kite I am excited to play and stream Alpha 2. Hopefully we will get opportunities to get into 1 as well.
glad zephyr
Current testing is under an NDA I believe
digital yacht
@glad zephyr when Alpha 1 launches NDA will most likely be dropped
glad spoke
Its just ohh so painful that there is still an long way before we have the game in our hands
glad zephyr
Can't come soon enough!
fading latch
Yes
winter moat
Have they said anything about the way in which we'll get our second class/archetype at 25? Will it be just a click and poof, new class? Or is there gonna be a questline for that? For example, I really liked the system back in the day in which you advanced jobs in Ragnarok Online
cunning sparrow
alpha 1 limited QA testing this summer is no NDA
digital yacht
@winter moat tied to a quest o believe
glad spoke
Isnt Alpha 1 ongoing but with an NDA
crystal beacon
They're kind of in Alpha 0.5 right now
digital yacht
@glad spoke its just testing slotted there is no concurrent test
limber onyx
@sullen kite I could not be more excited. Coming from WoW where a lot of the "content" feels like a mandatory repeat grind on un-enjoyable stuff so you can keep your character relevant, I am glad to see a game made for the purpose of being fun, and not just to keep people subbed. If that makes sense.
cunning sparrow
alpha 1 limited QA testing in may was NDA @glad spoke
balmy talon
@winter moat From what I saw, it will be tied to a quest, but you can change your second class if you don't like it.
cunning sparrow
in summer is no NDA
shadow current
I tried looking for the Reddit post regarding some guys thoughts on alpha 1 in Lazy Peons video, but couldn’t find the post. Anyone has a link?
crystal beacon
There was a video NDA, but not a verbal NDA
digital yacht
@cunning sparrow everything right now is under NDA the last 2 PI tests were still under a VISUAL NDA
winter moat
Good to know, thanks guys! I really hope they make it so it is engaging
glad spoke
Okey so it was limited time only.
sullen kite
@limber onyx Yeah I'm a WoW player too and seeing the class system in this game really got me excited
cunning sparrow
@digital yacht that should be updated on the wiki then
balmy talon
@sullen kite @limber onyx Classic made me appreciate the class system that WoW has screwed up over the years. I hope each class will have something different to bring to a group.
digital yacht
@cunning sparrow its perfectly fine, if u have an issue with the wiki contact Lex
cunning sparrow
going off from this
limber onyx
@sullen kite Absolutely! 64 classes and then the ability to talent them into heaps more diversity is mega exciting! I will be curious to see though how they maintain balance on such a variety of options. I wonder if all 64 will be played or there will be metas where only 10 or so are considered viable for top end gameplay at any point in time.
digital yacht
nothing wrong with it
fluid sonnet
The 8 core classes will pretty heavily define your role in a party. Then your subclass will define you amongst others of your same class.
sullen kite
Yeah being able to mix classes gives it a bunch of unique opportunities, in saying that though it could end up being unbalanced towards one or two classes but I doubt it.
digital yacht
except it should say No Verbal NDA
fair yew
While it is 64 classes it’s really 8 archetypes with 8 variations of each
simple pecan
Room to expand in the future, it seems.
fluid sonnet
Right. If you think in WoW terms it is more like 8 classes with 8 specs each
cunning sparrow
won't they have different skills though?
digital yacht
no
fluid sonnet
The specs give you enhancements to your core class skills to change how they work
digital yacht
they dont give new skills
balmy talon
@cunning sparrow They will have different variations of the same skill.
glad spoke
I would guess going Rogue + other class like Cleric / Tank or Fighter while leveling will be better then going pure Rogue + Rogue, you might have less damage but better sustain is what I think
but in the end will be fun to learn this out 🙂
im truly looking forward to it
simple pecan
Not just stat changes. Changes to how the ability operates. What it does, and how.
eager siren
Hey guys I'm trying to buy into the alpha but they say it is unavailable for checkout?
rare oriole
I played Cleric back in Everquest, would love to see something similar again. Although I was low key bummed to see Cleric is optimized for medium armor and not heavy
crystal beacon
@eager siren Xsolla seems to be having trouble keeping up with all the new interest, I'd submit a ticket (bottom of the shop page)
fluid sonnet
@rare oriole maybe what you are looking for would fit better as a Tank/Cleric
fickle island
The example they give over and over is a fighter with a dash ability. If he specs into mage as his 2nd archetype he can choose how to change said dash perhaps adding a blink (teleport) to it so instead of dashing he instantly blinks to the target.
crystal beacon
@eager siren Some banks just won't deal with Xsolla, it's suggested to use Paypal
balmy talon
Cleric is where my excitement is, but how is everyone feeling about Bard?
fickle island
I'm playing bard 100 percent
crystal beacon
@balmy talon <will be making bard content come alpha 2
fickle island
It's my D&D and pathfinder class
sullen kite
Fighter/Bard 
fluid sonnet
I think it's important to consider that the names of the classes don't imply they will play exactly the same as classes of the same name from other games
limber onyx
@balmy talon Without knowing anything about the gameplay yet I am almost set on playing Cleric primary bard secondary for my endgame. Healer buffer sounds so fun!
balmy talon
Lol I will be doing my best. Cleric, Bard, and Tank combos are super interesting.
@limber onyx I agree! I'm so pumped for that.
rare oriole
Cleric/Bard combo sounds like the ultimate support class haha
fickle island
@fluid sonnet true but they have stated the bard would be an aeo support/buff class which is effectively what he is in d&d
crystal beacon
How are they going to balance a support class in a confirmed healer/dps/tank trinity system though
fickle island
I feel like cleric/bard will be AOE heals.
fluid sonnet
Regular party size is 8 people
rare oriole
8/16/40 yeah?
fluid sonnet
so the extra room allows for support
fickle island
They conformed the bard will have heals just not as strong as the cleric and hell buff
crystal beacon
i mean
balmy talon
Imo Cleric won't be the only healer class. I think Bard will branch out to assist in healing. Or such as the Brewmaster in WoW, mitigations or buffing self heals.
crystal beacon
@crystal beacon It won't be purely support, it will have heals/attacks as well
they can make the class
@crystal beacon But a support class fits into the trinity in the middle, basically. Making the other 3 better.
doesnt mean when super nerds start parsing data that anyone will play it
fickle island
He will have heals but the cleric will out heal. The bard instead will have like damage mitigation and provide attack buffs and such.
crisp holly
Steven has also expressed that no matter the class, especially Bard and Cleric, that they will NOT just be hanging back and being lazy. They will need to attack or use their skills smartly to have a good effect on the battle. One example I've heard was that when a Bard hits an enemy, his teammates get so pumped up about how cool the hit was they do extra damage for x time.
crystal beacon
last game that did support classes right was ffxi
i played bard for 5-6 years in ffxi
glad spoke
Time for bed its way late here. Have nice night/day all
limber onyx
I am also curious if it is known how hard it will be to change your secondary archetype? For example, maybe cleric/bard will be what is needed for 40 man content, while a cleric/summoner may be better for 8, and cleric/rogue may be what I want for PvP. Will I be able to swap them out easily?
crystal beacon
@crystal beacon In an 8 person group, if the Bard increases combat effectiveness by 15%, it is effectively doing the highest DPS in the group. It's really not hard to make worthwhile.
doubt it'll be anything like that
digital yacht
@limber onyx not easy but possible
fickle island
Keep in mind they teased utility abilities yesterday I'm the AMA so you may need a bard or summoner in a raid group to finish some metricn that you cant do without them.
digital yacht
not really a tease as it was confirmed 2-3 years ago
crystal beacon
theres a reason modern games dont have full support classes
neat mural
pure curiosity what is the current max settings for the game?
digital yacht
@neat mural 4k
balmy talon
@fickle island that's what I'm really excited to see. How they implement the importance of every class.
crystal beacon
even Rift had full support classes
but noone specced them, because there was always a full dps class that had some support abilities
@crystal beacon It is that simple, numerically though. If you really want to show it, if there are 5 dps, 1 heal, 1 tank, 1 support, and the bard increases combat effectiveness of each by 20% instead, even if he does literally nothing else, he is providing more than 100% of the dps of a dps class.
that would always win when it came to numbers
I understand the concept
tidal bobcat
Hi all! I have a couple of questions...
fickle island
@fickle island that's what I'm really excited to see. How they implement the importance of every class.
@balmy talon itll help them with balance in my opinion. Instead of nurfing or buffing classes they can just make it so that a raid or dungeon cant be completed without the presence of all 8 archetypes. Make a lever only a summoner can reach. A door only a rogue can open. A boss that you have to sing to to defeat 🤣
crystal beacon
but in practice it hasnt worked out in the trinity system in nearly a decade
@crystal beacon Due to class homogenization, which AoC is specifically trying to avoid.
digital yacht
@fickle island steven has stated the most practical 8 man party would need all 8 main classes
rare oriole
I think inevitably, there will be “dead” class combos
tidal bobcat
how alt friendly is the game? are you punished or rewarded by having multiple toons?
balmy talon
@fickle island Hey that'd be awesome but it sounds better than it might be if that were the case lol
digital yacht
as they all have utility skills
neat mural
one more question regarding guilds.... from my understanding guilds can declare war on each other but i assume its imposible for a small guild to challenge a bigger one and vice versa or is there no restrictions?
fickle island
@fickle island steven has stated the most practical 8 man party would need all 8 main classes
@digital yacht which is so exciting.
crystal beacon
@tidal bobcat Not necessarily punished or rewarded? You are free to have alts, you can transfer items between them in your freehold.
digital yacht
no restrictions atm
neat mural
hmm
fickle island
one more question regarding guilds.... from my understanding guilds can declare war on each other but i assume its imposible for a small guild to challenge a bigger one and vice versa or is there no restrictions?
@neat mural no restrictions currently.
With guild alliances some of that can be altered
fluid sonnet
I think the goal is that each class will have something reasonably big to bring to the table that does not stack
neat mural
hopefully eventually placed coz i can imagine there ccould be bully guilds hunting small ones as usually thats the case
balmy talon
I'm worried about servers with streamers on them and how that will effect the guilds and wars.
fickle island
That's when the small one specializes in something and allies themselves to another bigger guild.
inner cosmos
Can any of the <@&256789677930053632> s (sorry for the ping) tell me why the mod bot removed my message and put a 24hour timer on me for #community-media ?
crystal beacon
just have a server just for the asmongolds
so he can stroke his ego with his minions and leave us alone
neat mural
I'm worried about servers with streamers on them and how that will effect the guilds and wars.
@balmy talon id assume to battle tht they will have a max playerbase per server...
short coral
I would be more afraid of being asmongold, and being a target lol
fluid sonnet
I mean it will be pretty simple to avoid streamers. Pick a different server. Most of them all try to play on the same server.
digital yacht
@neat mural 8-10k concurrent and 50k was started as a max but that is subject to change
fluid sonnet
There are only a few with a large enough following to make an impact.
simple pecan
Streamers weren't an issue in WoW, and there's no reason they should be an issue here. Some people with some followers will only give life the world.
balmy talon
I agree, I can just pick a server, but a huge part of the players are casual and just pick a server not knowing which servers are like this.
compact carbon
Hey all, thought of a question. If certain PvE content (like a raid for example) is locked behind the progression of a node, what would happen to a group of players during a raid if the node's progress were to be reset as the result of a siege? Would access to a node's PvE elements have to be put on hold until a siege is over?
crystal beacon
@simple pecan It's a bit different in an open world PvP MMO with resource scarcity and zone control.
neat mural
@neat mural 8-10k concurrent and 50k was started as a max but that is subject to change
@digital yacht damn way bigger than i thought thanks for tht stat tho
crystal beacon
and leadership of cities and properties being tied to popularity contests
fluid sonnet
I think a community led by a single individual can add flavor and life to a server
simple pecan
If a streamer tries to take hold of a zone, people will form up and fight back. This is a good thing.
digital yacht
@crystal beacon only 1 can be tied to popularity
crystal beacon
@compact carbon We don't have an exact answer for that yet, I imagine if the node was destroyed they'd get booted out of the dungeon unless it fell into another node's ZoI. I'd just avoid doing dungeons during sieges. YOu should probably either be attacking or defending the node anyway. +P
neat mural
i highly doubt streamers will affect game negatively especially based on how the game seems to function
balmy talon
I really hope so.
fluid sonnet
@crystal beacon There are 4 different node types. Only one of those types determines the leader by poplar vote
crystal beacon
you don't think that large streamers couldnt manipulate the other types of cities? oh no everyone died in the fight to the death but me
simple pecan
With player-driven events being a large focus on the game, it seems we should embrace... player-focused events.
digital yacht
@compact carbon most likely yes but that is TBD
crystal beacon
oh no everyone gave me the supplies now i can turn them in
digital yacht
@fluid sonnet there is 4 and only 4
crystal beacon
at least 3 of them can and will be manipulated
fluid sonnet
Thanks yeah I forgot the exact number
crystal beacon
See: Wow Classic and Asmongold
digital yacht
@crystal beacon no technically only 2 can
crystal beacon
where the entire server fed him gear and money
digital yacht
then dont play on his server
simple pecan
Some people did, and still no consequence.
digital yacht
if ur that scared
uncut coral
@plucky pawn I just wanted to have a suggestion i don't know if you or anyone here speaks to or is part of the Development team but i feel like a lot of games don't do cities on Water to well to fill that Fantasy and i wanted to ask if you guys plan to have a City On the Water or like On the Shoreline. I think Final Fantasy does a great job at capturing the spirit of the Ocean it self while making the city feel as if its part of the Ocean.
balmy talon
YEs, that and the gathering nodes in the world can get overcamped by a streamer community
neat mural
@neat mural why that?
@pure canopy well game is based around communities u really think that a streamer will be love by the entire server he stays in tht very unlikely it will lead to the server being very active if anything only true issue i can guess is too many players in one location but im sure they are working on it
digital yacht
@uncut coral there will be nodes in the sea (on islands) and nodes on the coast
simple pecan
Streamers are great targets for guilds to bring down.
short coral
^
neat mural
^^
crystal beacon
right but good luck when he has 20k people backing him
deft dragon
I just hope streamers make known their server selections prior to launch, so that people can decide if they want to play with them or avoid them
short coral
20k asmongolds vs 1k good players
digital yacht
@crystal beacon 20k ppl cant do anything when there is a limit to battles
short coral
good players still win
balmy talon
@deft dragon Oh they will. They did in WoW Classic and it helped a lot
digital yacht
@deft dragon they will bc of the Server Reservation system
deft dragon
yes that's what I'm thinking of, is WoW Classic's launch
neat mural
im basing all my knowledge on videos and thee couple of streams i watched so i have a lot of things wrong but based oon what i saw i think stramers will be overall more good for the game then bad
balmy talon
@neat mural I agree
uncut coral
@digital yacht I know this but again i dont know if i can post links but its a feel of those cities that i think games dont do well that ive seen other than Final Fantasy. I dont want people to think that i can get my way but id like to open the door for there to be a city that is more fantasy than realistic at times
short coral
Good thing this isn't wow classic
fluid sonnet
I mean Asmongold wasn't first to do anything in Wow Classic
digital yacht
@uncut coral it depends on the players making the city
deft dragon
sure streamer attention is good for a game @neat mural , but some players don't want to play with the streamers because they're a big disruption on their server, for better or for worse
crystal beacon
or they all stick to one servef
digital yacht
The only issue i see with Asmons zerglings is that they will ALL try to be near his node and not progress the rest of the map
crystal beacon
server*
balmy talon
@crystal beacon Unfortunately, the next WoW expansion will be coming out when AoC releases.
crystal beacon
@uncut coral to be honest nodes on the shore/islands likely won't look too much different to nodes inland due to the way they are formed.
deft dragon
I don't think hardcore WoW fans make up the majority of potential AoC fans
deft dragon
and even then, a lot of WoW players play for 3 months and then don't return for a year
neat mural
sure streamer attention is good for a game @neat mural , but some players don't want to play with the streamers because they're a big disruption on their server, for better or for worse
@deft dragon understandable but in a game like this based soo much on community activity i think it could lead to a very active and ever changing server which could be very intriguing... but thats my opinion and i completely understand ppl who dont want to but then again just join a server without the streamer
pseudo merlin
the best ETA for AoC now is 2022 to 2023
deft dragon
yes exactly that's my point, as long as streamers give the community the option not to join them, it's good @neat mural
neat mural
thats why i was soo quick to buy aplha 2 lmao
short coral
I played wow alpha+beta, im curious to see AoC alpha/beta
crystal beacon
too expensive. I might buy beta builds
pseudo merlin
AoC alpha 2 already confirmed to have at least 10k players
crystal beacon
but i cant justify paying 200+ dollars on a game this early in its development
As soon as I heard alpha 2 was persistent I pulled the trigger
digital yacht
jsut a heads up Ashes plans to have A REAL BETA test where they only last a very little amount of time
balmy talon
@crystal beacon I felt like that too at first, but it is helping with the development. I really believe in this company and hope i am right.
pseudo merlin
i thought they were still doing beta 1 and beta 2
digital yacht
they are
digital yacht
but they wont be month long tests
deft dragon
me neither @crystal beacon . I see no reason why I can't wait until closer to release. I'm not so desperate for a game that I need to get in testing phases. I have other things to play while I keep an eye on AoC's development
crystal beacon
@balmy talon for sure. But i merely meant, in my budgeting i cant justify it
digital yacht
they will basically be checking out core function and prob server stressing
fluid sonnet
@crystal beacon what do you mean by persistent?
short coral
im extremely desperate for a new game lol
crystal beacon
It's great you're contributing but i cant justify paying 200$ for a game i MIGHT play 3 years from now
pseudo merlin
server stressing will likely be huge
balmy talon
@crystal beacon Oh for sure, that's a lot of money. If that comment came out as me trying to get you to buy in, that wasn't my intention lol sorry about that.
crystal beacon
@fluid sonnet Live server 24/7
fluid sonnet
oh okay. Yeah true so you don't have limitations to how much you can play
digital yacht
@fluid sonnet The A2server will run constantly only have downtime for server updates
neat mural
It's great you're contributing but i cant justify paying 200$ for a game i MIGHT play 3 years from now
@crystal beacon very true i just really wanna see this game grow lmao and im willing to commit and help any way i can
pseudo merlin
what specs will we need for A2?
fluid sonnet
Whether you have reasons to pay or not pay, either is completely justifiable
crystal beacon
AoC is literally my last hope for MMOs, if it crashes and burns, I'm done with the genre lol
neat mural
Whether you have reasons to pay or not pay, either is completely justifiable
@fluid sonnet exactly
balmy talon
Big tru
pliant ocean
@crystal beacon I agree.
neat mural
what specs will we need for A2?
@pseudo merlin
neat mural
i keep losing link so here is a pic
pseudo merlin
@neat mural thanks a lot!
crystal beacon
Richard Garriott broke my heart
After Archeage's catastrophe I said to myself "the only way a good MMO is going to be made is if some rich dude decides to make a game for himself and lets us play it." So... here I am lol
fluid sonnet
Honestly, Steven is doing exactly what I would do and often dream of doing if I had money. Mine wouldn't be an mmo but still
crystal beacon
from all the interviews Steven seems like the BEST person to make an MMO. I just feel like his scope for the game needs to be tightened
in the asmon interview, Asmon was like, "Are you going to do this" "are you going to do that' and Steven was like HELL YEAH to everything
like I get wanting to put everything aweosme into an MMO
but if we want this before 2075
gotta draw the line somewhere
dont get me wrong, i want him to do everything he said
I disagree, he seemed to pull asmon back on a few points, he seems to be very consistent with his vision of the game, this has all been his plan since they whitepaper'd it out in 2015-2016. Yes, it's massive in scope, but he's not adding to it.
This isn't Star Citizen lol
I hope so
HAH
yeah
lets hope not
We should probably get back to questions though =x
muted blade
do corrupted players always have a pvp flag?
digital yacht
yes if they are corrupted u can attack them
muted blade
and players become more corrupted from all pvp outside of instanced combat or is corruption only acrued through onesided combat
digital yacht
one sided
balmy talon
I really didn't mean to start the big streamer debate. Lol
digital yacht
@muted blade if u flag purple and attack a green and they dont attack back u get corruption
becoming red
pale glade
Can you also clean corruption by killing mobs like in L2?
digital yacht
gaining xp yes
crystal beacon
@pale glade That's the current plan
raw totem
So will there be a penalty for combat logging?
digital yacht
@raw totem ur body will stay in place for a log out timer
there is no combat logging
muted blade
what about a large pvp group vs ungrouped players, is it insentivised that a small group not attack back to force corruption onto a larger group?
raw totem
Ok so even if your computer is turned off or something happens your character stays in game for a set amount of time
digital yacht
@muted blade if u are intending to inflict corruption on ppl u lose double the amount of resources of death then u would lose as a Purple
graceful ledge
i know it's still early, but is there any information regarding translation of the game in other languages ?
pliant ocean
@muted blade Depends. You lose half as much if you attack back. So you are incentivized to attack back. But if you don't have anything on you to take, then not attacking is probably best.
crystal beacon
English, French, German, and Russian from the website
graceful ledge
oh tank you
crystal beacon
for now
muted blade
and for corruption is it placed on a whole group or just the one who deals killing blows?
tulip wagon
Does anyone know roughly when alpha 1 will start?
crystal beacon
I havent watched through all the interviews yet. Have they talked about the community team and their role through development/post release? I really fear (while the community team has been amazing for this early in development) for the Wildstar syndrome where the community team either gets pushed to other assignments or straight up let go post-release.
rapid roost
Will the game come to support more languages?
dull anvil
Hey guys, do you know if the characters that you build and up in the alpha and beta fases will be maintain when the game released? Or will be like a reset to all peoples starts from the same position?
digital yacht
@dull anvil everything is reset
rapid roost
Hey guys, do you know if the characters that you build and up in the alpha and beta fases will be maintain when the game released? Or will be like a reset to all peoples starts from the same position?
@dull anvil would be a wipe
dusky siren
Is there going to be any classes based on curses ? Like an Affliction Warlock In wow ? I just spread curses that gives damage over time and debuffs on the enemies ?
digital yacht
@crystal beacon what do u mean by community team? like the CMs and Mods?
@dusky siren possibly we dont know all the skills yet
nor do we know class combos
onyx knoll
well, we do know the class combos and names, we just don't know the details of what they do lol
crystal beacon
yes. People who manage the player experience and community communication
twilit granite
Things like the inn or tavern in freeholds are going to be actual business’s or just rp things?
dull anvil
Ow that is really good, I was thinking to buy when the beta comes to start lvl up, because I was afraid that don't will be no resetting, that's put my mind to rest, ty guys
digital yacht
the mods are volunteer and the CMs will stay @crystal beacon
onyx knoll
@twilit granite they're going to have actual in game benefits
twilit granite
Ok cool@thx
digital yacht
and u can make money
crystal beacon
I did hear about how Steven said he wanted GMs and the like to be in-game playing with players
that would be a really great thing to happen
onyx knoll
He forbid all the Devs to join guilds in game tho haha
digital yacht
@onyx knoll not just devs any affiliated like Mods too
onyx knoll
a bit sad for them, they should make a dev guild!
dreamy chasm
is there gonna be atirstry or similar to Archeage that you can make your own Crests or music sheets?
onyx knoll
the music thing is still vague, there was mention of freehold owners being able to set your own music in taverns and such but we don,t know yet if it'll be a pre-made list of songs you can pick from or if you can make your own
pliant ocean
Custom emblems are a thing they are looking into adding. I do believe.
dreamy chasm
would be nice to make your own...
onyx knoll
agreed
but the game already has so many complex features I wouldn't be surprised if someting like that gets pushed back
fading latch
@pliant ocean correct. Emblem editor is in alpha 2
digital yacht
will be heavily moderated tho
dreamy chasm
yepp easy way to impliment it is maybe just use Midi files like in Rust or some simple like AA MML code
unkempt depot
So, can anyone explain to me how worth the pre-purchase with skins is? I am considering buying it are those skins super flashy?
digital yacht
@unkempt depot we wont know
onyx knoll
@digital yacht I really hope so, having tried out PSO2 I still get nightmare from the lewd stuff people were using as custom art in there...
tidal nexus
I cant really tell on the site..they dont look to flashy
digital yacht
but they arent sparkly or anything
onyx knoll
@unkempt depot i don't think you could call the current ones.. flashy, but they ARE unique
balmy talon
I think the pre-purchases are meant to get into testing and the skins are a bonus
dreamy chasm
i mean i remember sailing in Archeage and seing some dudes chasing me with some meme pepe frog crest on their ship.. made me shit my pants and laught at the same time
onyx knoll
if you don't like the swamp aesthetic that much just wait a bit, they're changing them on the 5th to a new batch of cosmetics
balmy talon
Steve was very adamant about store items not looking better than in game items.
digital yacht
u could wait a total of like 6 cosmetic swaps to decide u wont be getting in any time soon
balmy talon
Maybe not better but they will not look way better
limber onyx
I got the impression that they are supposed to be in line with the best looking gear earned in game
onyx knoll
You won't need to purchase store cosmetics to look good, but the store cosmetics will be unique and nice looking
thin scarab
Is it possible to change pre-order packages? I didn't fully understand how it was working when it first came out.
high ledge
im low-key hoping the swamp costume is like the dim tree armour from bdo haha
stable plover
@thin scarab Send in a customer support ticket
digital yacht
@thin scarab u can upgrade but i dont think u can go down unless u contact support
onyx knoll
you can't buy one that was available in the past, but if you buy a pack now you can buy future cosmetics for much cheaper then full package
thin scarab
i want to upgrade but also change to a different month if possible
digital yacht
u cant
onyx knoll
ahhh, well I guess you can try customer service for the upgrade, I doubt they'll let you get a past month's stuff but you can ask
thin scarab
even if i was like the first month?
unkempt depot
Too bad I don't have a time machine to go back and get a kickstarter lol
balmy talon
@unkempt depot I am with you lol
onyx knoll
mood
digital yacht
@thin scarab if u upgrade to the Voyager + u will get the onther skins in that month im almost certain they wont let u chance months
ancient lava
I backed on Kickstarter - though apparently i missed a lot of the account migration/account creation (and linking to kickstarter) stuff. I just hope i can get it sorted before Alpha phase 2 drops
high ledge
when is the latest we can get the pre-order package to get access to alpha 2, or is there even a time limit on it?
digital yacht
@ancient lava did u put in a CS ticket?
u have plent of time
@high ledge u have plenty of time til A2 wait until u see coismetics u like
crystal beacon
hehe
onyx knoll
they'll give a warning when they get close to closing on the alpha 2 packs
if they even do
ancient lava
Yeah - i actually just opened a ticket. I spoke to Intrepid-Peter around 2 years ago on the issue, though i never got a resolution
onyx knoll
considering alpha 2 will run until release
crystal beacon
in few weeks i should have my founders pack
high ledge
ok ty 🙂
crystal beacon
if ists till there
unkempt depot
How long will the current packs be open?
I am afraid ill miss out if i don't buy now
digital yacht
@unkempt depot until they get taken down
u wont miss anything
A2 pack will be on store for another 6 months atleast
beta 1 prob over a year
and beta 2 as well over a year
crystal beacon
pewrfect
thin scarab
man there is a few mounts i really missed out on, being dumb
crystal beacon
i mised a few montsh also
onyx knoll
yeah there's no rush guys, you can wait until alpha 1 is well under way to decide if you want to spend on pre orders
crystal beacon
but i onlyw just found out about this game
with asmongold
lolz
oh hiw can we enter alpha
digital yacht
a1 is closed
onyx knoll
...you mean your pre-order, right? because founders packs can't be bought anymore 😛
oh?
simple pecan
No founder packs visible on https://accounts.ashesofcreation.com/shop
onyx knoll
I,m confused now xD I thought the only packs available were the pre-order one!
cosmetics
digital yacht
in game cosmetics
onyx knoll
skins for pets/mounts/gear
minor stag
So is the game in alpha testing 2 atm? 
digital yacht
no
onyx knoll
no, it's in pre-alpha
digital yacht
it will be alpha 1 soon
onyx knoll
alpha 1 starts in fall
minor stag
So helpful 
onyx knoll
that's what we chill here for o7
minor stag
And none of the current packages allow access for that?
digital yacht
no
onyx knoll
for aplha 1, no, unless they re-open it but that's not super likely. You can buy into alpha 2 at the earliest
unkempt depot
ASMONGOLD why did you show me this awesome game that i can't play soon
thin scarab
its hard to see the progress you seen now, soo many people are skeptical at first right? hit and miss sometimes
forest pike
@unkempt depot for you to participate and give feedback?
unkempt depot
Ok fine
strong drift
Yo guys quick question should i get pizza or chinese
digital yacht
Chinese
onyx knoll
chinese
strong drift
Aight will do
lilac raft
Is there chance that there will be more currencies that will change their worth based on nodes developed in regions - and those currencies to be interchangable ?
humble quartz
So I've heard Steven talk about adding more content and creating expansions etc., as you would expect. I wasn't sure if there has been talk of what happens to previous content. Does anyone know if it's just going to make the previous content obsolete?
digital yacht
@lilac raft there are other types of currencies
@humble quartz with what he plans, no
thin scarab
is there gonna be jobs in this game that purely owkr as a support class? ie like ffxi bard or geomancer
lilac raft
@lilac raft there are other types of currencies
@digital yacht interchangable ?like rate 1:2
viral lintel
there's no nda in alpha 1, so i guess there will be a lot of content creators making videos and streaming. that's almost as good as testing yourself, and it's free.
digital yacht
no @lilac raft they will be for different things we dont know all the details on currencies besdies there is more so its all TBD
@thin scarab bard is support/buff/minor healing
stable plover
@thin scarab Bard is focused around supporting -> They buff tanks survival, healers healing, dps damage, based on their performance in combat (not just constantly applying buffs)
viral lintel
i hope bards won't be worse versions of the wow pala, with like 30 sec buffs. that would be annoying, constant rebuffing
simple pecan
Maintaining buffs doesn't have to be annoying.
crystal beacon
^^^
whole elk
If I get the Voyager Plus pre-order what's the estimated soonest I can play? I read somewhere Alpha 2 sometime this year?
thin scarab
id love just to be micro managing buffs. Im getting old and doing dps rotations is going to get worse every year
crystal beacon
@viral lintel The buffs will likely be short term but that will just become part of your rotation.
simple pecan
I'm thinking Tank/Bard.
digital yacht
@whole elk no alpha 2 has no date all we know is it comes after ALpha 1 which starts in a few months
dusky siren
From what I understood from the interview they're going to have different servers (NA, SA, etc). Most of my friends live on SA and EU, but I live on NA. Will I be able to play w them ?
whole elk
Ah, got it. Thanks
digital yacht
@dusky siren yes
viral lintel
i'd like to have my buffer sit next to my necro at the camp, rebuffing me once an hour, and be done with it.
dapper depot
Has there been said anything about how power creep from gear will be adressed? Will it be similar to wow where the its gradually increased when an update/expansions are released or is it something where you can keep working on your gear?
viral lintel
we dont know
crystal beacon
@viral lintel it will definitely not be like that. They’ve said no buff bots
onyx knoll
@dusky siren Yes, if you pick the same servers as them, so either you'd have to play on a EU server or they'd have to play on an NA one... someone is gona probably have high ping :/
viral lintel
then i hope the game wont be like lineage 2, unplayable without buffs
dapper depot
hope its not like arch or bdo, where new players get dumpstered by launch day players @viral lintel
thin scarab
Will it be like ffxiv and u can have one character be all jobs or like wow and be one job per character
viral lintel
i believe they mentioned that most gear will be sidegrades
crystal beacon
how long will the betas be up for?
onyx knoll
so closer to WoW then FFXIV
crystal beacon
@viral lintel unplayable? Likely not, but if buffs don’t have a strong impact, bards won’t be worth using.
digital yacht
@crystal beacon not long we have no exact numbers
thin scarab
gotcha thanks
onyx knoll
As long as they need to be up for them to test everything they need to test
crystal beacon
well how long was the alpha test up for?
unkempt depot
What would be the advantages of bard/bard? I want to play the loudest tunes for the baddest bros
digital yacht
@crystal beacon alpha tests will be time slotted tests
starts this fall
@unkempt depot we have no clue
crystal beacon
you think tank bard will be viable?
unkempt depot
Does anyone know how threat mechanics work?
onyx knoll
probably? it's hard to say at this point, we don,t have much info on how the second archetype will affect the classes
viral lintel
if buffs are too much of a factor, having a buffer is mandatory. if they're too insignificant, the loss of dps from a buff class is more of an issue, making them undesirable. the only solution is, give bards some buffs no other class has, like a group runspeed buff, that makes them desirable even if they dont hit like a truck
digital yacht
@undone prairie he means job as class
thin scarab
not your fault thats good to know too
onyx knoll
@viral lintel The game is balanced around a team of 8 having one of each archetype, so we can assume Bards will be pretty relevant
onyx knoll
@unkempt depot We know there will be a threat mechanic and that it'll require more management then most current modern MMOs, but no details yet
viral lintel
what we heard so far is not enough data to make an educated guess
crystal beacon
i mean, if the bard architype for tank is at all usefull i dont see the point for a full bard
unkempt depot
my dream is to be a full bard or a full rogue
onyx knoll
The bard archetype for tanks might be solo buffs, while Bards have group buffs
digital yacht
there will always be a point for everything its all on ur playstyle
crystal beacon
but their will be a meta
Let's say the Bard is using a weapon, has a sword out and... does some gladiatorial looking performance attack and it looks so great. It inspires his friends around him to increase their multiplier on critical damage, and now they deal additional damage against targets for the next 10 seconds or 8 seconds. So, you're going to need to be active. You're going to worry about your position, the relation of the position of your party members to you in order to accentuate really what you offer the party.
From the wiki https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Bard
onyx knoll
@crystal beacon probably eventually, yes
viral lintel
if bard class gives the same buffs the archetype has, nobody will bring the archetype, because a warrior/bard will do more damage
crystal beacon
but then the warrior can bring a more usefull architype, while the tank, usually only there to take dmg can also buff
viral lintel
what will you get from bard class?
digital yacht
u get augments on ur current Class skills
viral lintel
augments like what?
steady ocean
They empower the bard's primary skills
viral lintel
see, thats the point, we dont even know what the archetype will have, how can we guess what the class will bring? 😉
unkempt depot
Do I spend 375 for the pack now or wait a bit...
It is corona time
if i lost my job gg
digital yacht
@viral lintel bc we already know that the 2ndary dfont give new skills
crystal beacon
@viral lintel We can tell from quotes that they intend bard to a very active class, so it's a pretty safe assumption that they'll have short term duration buffs that they're constantly applying.
viral lintel
yeah, but if an action triggers a buff, and the buff will have the same effect a bard archetype skill has, then that negates the need for an archetype bard. know what i mean?
crystal beacon
I mean, straight up from the wiki:
In other games, Bards tend to be a relatively passive kind of way of playing and that's really not the direction that we want to go with it.
fluid sonnet
The secondary classes provide augments to the primary class skills. No new skills. Of course, the capacity of the augments is currently unkown. We basically have been given 1 example with Fighter's Rush skill being augmented to a teleport through the mage secondary class
crystal beacon
@viral lintel There's no way a bard secondary would give buffs of equivalent power (or variety) to the primary
onyx knoll
Guys, please move the Bard discussion to #aoc-discussion and clear the way for questions 🙂
digital yacht
@crystal beacon was just typnig that lol
digital yacht
we do
viral lintel
we dont have the data to say that
crystal beacon
@viral lintel That's... common sense, really.
viral lintel
common sense is not very common
digital yacht
@viral lintel that would make every class irrelevant then
onyx knoll
#aoc-discussion please! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
viral lintel
we are just assuming here and fishing in the dark
digital yacht
@undone prairie all
from what we know
or atleast most
not utility skills but atleast all active skills
onyx knoll
we'll have more detail on the secondary archetypes and how they affect skills when alpha 2 starts ^^
viral lintel
i dont even know yet what the archetype summoner will have for pets. animals? golems? spirits?
onyx knoll
all of the above, probably lol
digital yacht
depends on which side u go
viral lintel
lvl 1 to 25
crystal beacon
depends on architype by looking at the names of them
viral lintel
only archetype
onyx knoll
ahh, the default one? not sure
viral lintel
there's only 1 summoner archetype, and thats the summoner
digital yacht
@undone prairie would be some kind of skill point system
crystal beacon
do you think i can play tank if i usually dont in other mmo's?
digital yacht
yes
viral lintel
yes
digital yacht
play what u want
viral lintel
tanking mechanics cant be too hard, else nobody will play them
crystal beacon
this game has me too excited. sucks it will take a while 😦
unkempt depot
What do you guys think is gonna be the meme class?
steady ocean
Remember that this channel is for questions, probably better to bring general discussions over to #aoc-discussion
glass yew
Anyone have any idea what the UI for Artisans will look like? Or is that still TBD?
digital yacht
@glass yew way to early to tell
viral lintel
am i the only one who has to remove one R from "archetype" every time, because muscle memory always types "archer" first? 😄
digital yacht
its TBD
steady ocean
still TBD
crystal beacon
@unkempt depot I mean... bards are the eternal meme class, no getting around that.
ruby swift
Has not been shown and will undergo many iterations before release
viral lintel
i was thinking, id like to try a bard alt at some point, but if it's stressful, because you're expected to keep all your 69 buffs up at all times by your metagaming "friends", then fuck that
digital yacht
means u wont be playing Bards then
tidal nexus
lol
viral lintel
exactly
crystal beacon
I really want to post an appropriate bard gif, but I will restrain myself for the sake of the sanctity of the questions channel.
viral lintel
general is constant tattoos/workout discussions, aoe discussion channel scrolls by at the speed of light.
im getting too old for this shit
eager siren
i know we are expecting alpha to launch this fall but do we have any idea of how long the alpha test will last?
lean marlin
as long as it needs to.
obsidian berry
as much time as they need.
eager siren
do you think the phases will have a delay inbetween them or will it be from one phase to the next?
fickle oyster
Does anybody know who the hiring director is at Intrepid?
obsidian berry
@eager siren I imagine they will have intervals between each test to ensure systems and certain things that are in place are working correctly.
viral lintel
seeing how an alpha is a way to test newly built features, and building features takes time and is difficult to implement in a running system, i'd guess there will be downtime between alpha 1/2/beta 1/2
eager siren
id imagine so
lean marlin
@viral lintel more than likely, but that's not something that is known at this time.
viral lintel
thats assuming its an actual alpha, right.. not a pr stunt using the name "alpha", but i trust the team to not be like other mmo devs this last decade
eager siren
i know all content gets wiped before launch but do you think servers will reset after every phase?
lean marlin
A2 I believe is supposed to be persistent.
viral lintel
we don't know, but that's what i would expect
imagine running a persistent char pool which started with 30% of the features, then got added to it, with exploits and bugs like dupes etc
eager siren
because if leveling to 50 is as long as they say it is doing it three times is gonna be wild
viral lintel
well, Legends of Aria handled it that way, lol..
yeah they could say ok we're testing lvl 30-40, so all chars start at lvl 30
crystal beacon
@eager siren That's just part of testing. Betas aren't going to be long term though, so that won't be an issue.
fair yew
50 may not even be a thing til beta 1 or 2. 10 has been cap so far
tardy oracle
I believe alot of us are maximizing players right? with the manual attack, can you see a problem where everyone has to weave in those attacks, even mages, to maximize dmg?
crystal beacon
@tardy oracle There's not going to be ESO style animation cancelling, if that's what you're really asking. Without that, you'll lose casting time when you try to melee weave, liking losing overall dps.
viral lintel
weaving is only a thing in systems where you can cancel animations. if thats not a thing here, that wont be a problem
tardy oracle
well i guess skills will have cooldowns, so you "have" to normal attack in between to do max dmg
viral lintel
i mean i hope it wont, eso ruined my mouse hand once, been hating it ever since
fair yew
Manual attack was q I’m keybinds so far
tardy oracle
well im not a fan of action combat, as many here know, so i can do without those attacks alltogether 😛 to much clicking or me
viral lintel
same for me
tardy oracle
im to old lol
viral lintel
tell me about it. the prospect of having to hammer the Q key for whatever replaces autoattack here is not making me happy
tardy oracle
yea i played eso when it was still "elderstaff online" dont know if that changed
yea i rather have autoattack tbh
but steven said that wont happen
fast osprey
Did someone mention some kind of transmog feature like in WoW?
viral lintel
i'll leave the screaming and forum/reddit campaigning to the young folks. people will voice their opinion if the gameplay feels clunky or burns 1000 kcal an hour due to erratic clicking/Q key pressing
tardy oracle
but yea, we saw in the gameplay video, margereth running up and waking the enemy as a cleric
onyx knoll
There is transmog, yes
limber onyx
Surely if we can buy cosmetics in the pre-purchase then there will have to be a transmog system to implement that
tardy oracle
im just wondering if that will be a thing
crystal beacon
right now its kind of difficult to voice our questions if yall are having a casual conversation in the help desk
ivory latch
can i master all the skills in the processing tree ?
viral lintel
i think they said you now max a tree, not just a skill
ivory latch
oki, will wait for more info when they will share it with us
eager siren
will all crafting professions be in the alpha?
rapid roost
oki, will wait for more info when they will share it with us
@ivory latch you cant master the entire tree, heard it from interview with asmon I think
tardy oracle
warhammer online had a system where skills looked different at lvl 1 and max lvl, like more powerful, will aoc have anything like that?
ivory latch
you cant master gathering and processing its only 1
rough bramble
Will this game have Addon support?
crystal beacon
@ivory latch @rapid roost Current accepted answer is that you can master the entire tree (either gathering, processing, OR crafting) meaning every profession within that tree.
tardy oracle
i dont think you should expect anything other than the very basic stuff in alpa, like basic combat is enough
ivory latch
that would be too op to have all the skills in one of them
they should limit it to like 2-3 at most
viral lintel
someone said they said no addon support, but that's hearsay
onyx knoll
@rough bramble no addons
ivory latch
if they provide everything you need, then you wont need addons
grim breach
someone said they said no addon support, but that's hearsay
@viral lintel It's not hearsay. It's what Intrepid said themselves. https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Action_bar#Addons.2Fmods
onyx knoll
I wouldn't say it's hearsay, Steven said he's against them
rapid roost
@ivory latch @rapid roost Current accepted answer is that you can master the entire tree (either gathering, processing, OR crafting) meaning every profession within that tree.
@crystal beacon ty for the correction
rough bramble
Not even something as basic as a Roleplay addon, where you can write out your character information, age, etc.
Assuming, thats in the game.
onyx knoll
You can write out a character backstory in your character in-game bio
viral lintel
it's indeed hearsay when i say it, because i heard it. i didn't see an official statement, and i found it important to mention that. @grim breach
onyx knoll
gentle briar
question relating to the artisan tree's. how deep are we going to be able to go with 2 section. like i want to do gathering to feed into my processing while mastering processing n just having gathering there to be able to make income to rely on to grind out high related tiers in gathering will i be able to get processing decently high or just to mid game per se
rough bramble
Thank you for answering :D
onyx knoll
@gentle briar We don't have details but it's safe to assume if you're a master processor you'll need a master gatherer to get the highest tier mats for you
gentle briar
i miss worded 1 part but the gathering tree how far will it go
onyx knoll
You could technically make 3 different characters and have them all master a different type of artisan job if you really want to be self sufficient
gentle briar
since processing will be maxed
onyx knoll
as i said, we don't have that kind of detail
gentle briar
o
viral lintel
thats why i was hoping you can only max 1 skill, not the whole tree. too easy to just make alts and get everything done yourself
but it is what it is
onyx knoll
It'll be a LOT of work to max everything
viral lintel
some people are jobless and can play 16h a day
onyx knoll
you're not gona become Master gatherer, you're gona become Master miner, then you can do a bunch of stuff to also become master lumberjack etc
so if you want to master everything in a job type, you'll need to put a ton of hours in
gentle briar
well i wnna do this route bc it increases the profit per material gathered instead of selling it raw
onyx knoll
yeah and they should be rewarded for that sort of investment
viral lintel
well some people will be able to do that. i wont, but there's LOTS of people with lots of time around
ivory latch
question relating to the artisan tree's. how deep are we going to be able to go with 2 section. like i want to do gathering to feed into my processing while mastering processing n just having gathering there to be able to make income to rely on to grind out high related tiers in gathering will i be able to get processing decently high or just to mid game per se
@gentle briar if you try to get gathering and processing you wont be able to master any of them
gentle briar
im not going to master both @ivory latch
i want to use gathering to get me through early/mid games of funding or establish a solid funding that i can buy or trade run high materials
just wondering what the limit was
on gathering tree if i was maxing like lets say ore refinement into ingots
will the gathering tree be 50/100 or 40/100 was the question
but he said they dont have info on it
viral lintel
yeah we dont know
ivory latch
we will know more when they will share with us the info about the profession tree
digital yacht
no
alpine saffron
I wonder about crafting... is it going to be gated by a mechanic like labor in archeage or is there any sort of gate mechanic like that?
ivory latch
for now i'm interested in professions and necromancer and summoner-summoner abilities 😍
gentle briar
i mostly wnna do mage/rogue or vise vers
gentle briar
im not doing it for the stealth but just the sheer effects they can give combo'd