no classes are locked to races
#questions
grizzled latch
Headstart was KS and maybe summer backer. Its only a day or two and won't be very much of a headstart. I dont think nodes can progress during it either
sacred tangle
I find it weird how people insist on pinging mods for things anyone can answer
narrow geode
i'm new here and there's not a hue amount of info on the wiki, plus players can be wrong
digital yacht
he was in here talking as well
narrow geode
aye that too
sacred tangle
So can mods tho
digital yacht
@narrow geode what wiki u using?
stable plover
@narrow geode oh and I think only 2h spears are confirmed
sacred tangle
Mods aren't devs
narrow geode
both of them haha
dark jungle
both?
narrow geode
EVEN BETTER
stable plover
dark jungle
the other wikis havent been updated in years
narrow geode
mods are closer in touch with devs than the avg player as far as i know
digital yacht
@narrow geode tbf what u asked was in here lol https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Weapons
dark jungle
and there is a "shit load" of information on the wiki (steven's own words)
"shit ton" actually
narrow geode
i think i was using the other one then, the one you linked me was actually down for me yesterday/the day before
prob cuz of the big interviews/exposure the game got
dark jungle
yes i upgraded the server yesterday
narrow geode
or was slow
stable plover
Most of the stuff that isn't on the wiki is stuff that like Steven mentioned once as being possible but unlikely.
dark jungle
yeah, if its steven speculating or memeing it probably wont make it to the wiki
oh wow this is questions oops 🏃♂️
sudden lark
How does the writing seem ingame? Like complex and descriptive and or funny, or basic?
terse estuary
will necromancers be able to summon non undead, that's my main question. I hope not, really lol.
sudden lark
Ok
digital yacht
@terse estuary https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Necromancer
stable plover
@sudden lark They want to go with a serious story as opposed to pop culture memes - quest text in game is currently placeholder though, they hold lore tight to the chest - you might check out the Lore stuff they have posted though
terse estuary
oh dope ty @digital yacht
sudden lark
Good. Thank you both
dark jungle
yep
digital yacht
that is the plan
dark jungle
the secondaries will come in alpha 2
cloud nymph
Do they have a date for A1? I heard this fall but
round belfry
sacred rune
Might be a silly question.. Are there going to be rivers? Big enough to sail your boat up? In Archeage there weren't a lot of rivers connecting to ocean you could sail up.
sacred rune
Alright thanks, just imagining sailing up rivers fishing rp XD
true ridge
All land is a river when you have the boat hookshot
sacred rune
lol that's true
surreal zodiac
Will there be a NPC called Steven Sharif?
marble basin
Phteven
pseudo finch
i tried to log into the website. and i currently cant find all of the packages i bought like two years ago
lean marlin
Did you check your inventory?
pseudo finch
digital yacht
@pseudo finch put in support ticket nothing can be done here
pseudo finch
rgr
crystal beacon
Reference: the FAQ article about Kickstarter/Summer Backer rewards.
I could have sworn way back when the Summer Backer funding was happening, it was to allow the people who missed out on the Kickstarter to back the project, and that Kickstarter backers would receive the corresponding Summer Backer tiers and stretch goals.
Two questions: is this still the case (the FAQ makes no mention of it)? And if so, if you upgrade your Kickstarter tier, do you get the new level of Summer Backer rewards too?
digital yacht
@crystal beacon they were two seperate packlages, u can upgrade ur KS packge if u backed for the 25$ or more
fringe breach
is there any mini games involved with crafting items?
digital yacht
@crystal beacon but any1 that backed the KS got the Summer Backer Stretch goals as well
@fringe breach there might be but atm i have not seen or heard of any
crystal beacon
@digital yacht So if we backed the Kickstarter but didn't buy a Summer Backer package, we only get the Summer Backer stretch goals?
crystal beacon
I could have sworn we were all pissed off at the time about being asked to pay twice, and were told we'd get the equivalent Summer Backer tier rewards. But I guess memory is a funny thing
digital yacht
the items offered in the summer packges were thje same just for ppl that missed teh KS but they had a seperate Stretch goal that was decided to ggive to KS bakcers as well
All KS gets this
and above but Summer backers only get whats in the first image
does that clear it up for u @crystal beacon
crystal beacon
Cheers mate.
gusty mantle
Hello peoples of world~!
Quick question, does/will AoC have player deformable terrain?
west ridge
@simple ether didnt peons video show that there will be winters that might last longer then normal but if you defeated certain things (or do what ever) With a bunch of epople the winter lasts shorter
Also a question, on the website it says you cna be evil. Is this from a game mechanics stand point or just a story standpoint? Example would be like an "Evil" guild or something.
As I am trying to live out the "Overlord" Fantasy
digital yacht
u can kill players and consider urself "evil" no real mechanics to make u evil
west ridge
but it did say that you could be on the website so I was just wondering if it would go more in depth then player killing
pearl birch
Genuinely curious, will ur group's performance be logged permanently for the dungeon? Because it feels like the 1st boss will always be the same as a performance gauge?
digital yacht
@pearl birch what do u mean logged?
pearl birch
Meaning the instance will remember the group's performances in the previous run and alter the subsequent run's 1st boss accordingly
Sorry of the question was confusing
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digital yacht
that will have to be tested tbh they could say it would work like that but nothing will be set in stone unless it works lol
echo bramble
quick question regarding the mount skins in the store : you still have to get the mount to use the skin right? so you have to get a turtle sumehow to add the skin?
hard nova
i would imagine. straight up mount purchasing seems a little pay to win
echo bramble
ah thanks, love your vids btw, good job
gray marten
with primary archetypes lock - is there a chance for intro where you can play maxed archetypes (at least archetypes, with no class augments) - to try it before you go? So you wont re-roll after one month just because u did not like gameplay
ruby swift
You could spend 6 weeks leveling a toon, then find out you didn't like it. Doubt you would delete it. Would just become an artisan alt.
hard nova
how many chars per server?
ruby swift
"comfortable amount"
viral lintel
i'll only need my necromancer ^^
ruby swift
And to others 8. The only person who knows is Steven, and he isn't saying. Yet.
hard nova
and like a 25 char cap total on all servers kinda thing?
proper grove
8 primary classes, will probably mean 8 slots, but thats just a guess from me
viral lintel
can play one of each summoner then 😉
proper grove
you can change your secondary
ruby swift
Since you won't be able to buy more character slots, it will probably be on the higher end.
viral lintel
i plan to dual-box anyway, so i will get the chance to test a lot of stuff and see what i like. i'm generally an altoholic though.
ruby swift
As long as you follow their multi-box guidelines you will be fine.
viral lintel
of course
you dont start a game, pay monthly and invest a substantial amount of time building your chars, only to get banned for some bs
(unless you're not the brightest, then anything is possible)
grizzled fjord
Is there multiboxing guidelines somewhere?
viral lintel
i guess the rules are in the tos, when it's out
digital yacht
@gray marten that’s where the alpha and betas come into play u will have opportunities to earn beta keys later down the road when we approach that stage.
@grizzled fjord no 3rd party software
Is the main one
viral lintel
i burnt out with wow classic, need a game to pass time
grizzled fjord
So how will multiboxing happen without a 3rd party client operating it?
viral lintel
tab between the clients
grizzled fjord
seems like a nightmare
viral lintel
or put one client on each monitor
digital yacht
Then don’t do it
proper grove
would post-processing shaders count as 3rd party software, or would it be a gray area thats allowed
viral lintel
we'll see what the rules will look like
digital yacht
@proper grove if their anti cheat detects it u could be potentially flagged
viral lintel
something like "no 3rd party software" doesnt really sound convincing though, unless the game runs spyware on your pc
proper grove
valorant went kernel level, anything is possible
digital yacht
I mean they will have an actual rules out sometime in the future
viral lintel
i bet their rules will be similar to wow, which reads more like "no automation, every action has to be initiated manually", and that's cool with me
arbitrary rules dont work anyway, better to have mechanics make unwanted behavior impossible
viral lintel
yeah, thats what i was thi9nking, no automation
keep it sane
im not planning to run a full team anyway, just a second box
proper grove
uses it to tele to town
viral lintel
and 2 clients are still perfectly fine manually
well lets say the game has a port-to-dude feature, and it has a 3h cooldown, and i use it, then i cant reuse it for 3h, right.. irrelevant if the "anchor" is a guildie i started a family with, or my alt
at the end of the day, i could port to town once in 3h, exactly as often as everyone else, so no advantage really
could argue that me having control over my alt's online time, but if we're playing in the same timezone, chances are this isn't even needed
proper grove
dw, just giving you a hard time, no way is a fast travel to town worth 15/month even if there is no cd
viral lintel
my god, my english is completely down the drain today.. and i call myself english teacher - dont show my kids 😄
the reason i still play wow classic after all these months is my "projects". im running little 2er teams i lvl together, like druid+hunter or priest+warlock, i love the added depth, i can minmax synergies etc.. and i expect a lot more of that to be in this game
ruby swift
viral lintel
yea, thats about what you'd expect
good work digging this out btw, gonna bookmark it
ruby swift
Yeah, chat is a bit crazy atm to pull single screens of convos, so it has to be pieced together to remove the sperg.
viral lintel
a few hours ago, the traffic was so hard, you couldnt have even a simple convo
crazy
proper grove
depending on how controller support works out, i might script a translation layer to act as my own janky controller support
hoping it wont get me in trouble
ruby swift
Controller already works. Not setup yet. But movement, jump and basic attack were all doable in latest tests.
viral lintel
ff14 has great controller support, helps some people play the game who cant hold a mouse, for example
proper grove
i love ffxiv controller support
viral lintel
i played poe hardcore a few months ago, killed my mouse hand
true ridge
I agree, someone was complaining about it earlier, though
proper grove
yeah thats insane to me to complain about ffxiv controller support
ruby swift
I fully plan on using a hybrid setup. Controller for most stuff with keyboard optional for the rest of the stuff that doesn't fit right.
viral lintel
controller makes the game more accessible, not everyone has 2 healthy hands
i'd also expect a colorblind mode
white snow
Hi all. A little impressed how active this discord is when the game is pretty far out!
ruby swift
They are aware and it will come. Just may take a bit before they do an official pass at it. I and others have kept bringing it up and the answer is the same. "We want to do it, it should be easy enough, and eventually you should see it."
true ridge
技
white snow
😛
elfin crow
I thought i saw something about them reopening kickerstarter support? Is that still a thing?
gray marten
@gray marten that’s where the alpha and betas come into play u will have opportunities to earn beta keys later down the road when we approach that stage.
@digital yacht it was not the point of the question tbh. There are 8 archetypes - I guess I won't be willing to max 8 alts to 50 to try them out, so the question if there is intro system that will allow to try templated maxed archetypes before you select one, like in some other mmos
viral lintel
is that a thing in any mmo? never seen that anywhere. you make an alt, lvl it to 6, delete it, till you got what you like
here you'Ll get the class at 20, which i find a bit late, but i cant really say much about that yet, since i couldn't try it out
i just hope this isnt one of those games where the pet class starts without pets, and just one nuke, until lvl 10 or so 😄
wicked heath
so say a certain area of the map has had a couple wars and an early power comes on a server, basically a level 6 nodes and their zone of influence, like when the other nodes get to level 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 etc. what would incentivize players to attack the lower level nodes?
once the server has played out for a couple of months with mid/high population would a low level node siege be a node siege activity for lower leveled/progressed people or are there other incentives for players to do them?
say a high population server has reached the intial settlement apexs, maxed metropolises, all castles occupied, and a majority of vassals leveled as much as they can. if this server stays at a steady high population, how much of the ingame interactions and content will take place in the "higher node" areas?
Will this be like de-facto leveling zones?
The game seems large enough to me where it could be considered almost a "next-gen" in its scope of player interaction and implementation of player related systems.
for the average player, will they just be on the same node as the latest progression at the start, but slowly fall behind and catch up to the higher nodes later?
essentially, does the game have enough depth where you could have a group of players or guild/small society, that mainly stays at a small city or "vassal" node, a notable amount of distance from the main city (say 1h-1.5h hour or more on mount through effectient paths)
for instance it could be a small social guild of casual players or friends, maybe 30-50 in size, they are slow to max level but play relativly often. Would a majority of their playtime be spent in the lower level nodes as they reach max level, and then move to the higher level nodes as their level increases?
would a player does occasional pvp and limited pve dungeons, but does professions, or exploration, or other means that are not main ways of aquiring gear dependent on progression be essentially a lower "class" in the area of the game? like would they have reasons incentives, and ways to interact with higher level nodes if the divide is there. if they do have ways to interact, is the main way economically?
viral lintel
i can imagine it to be like eve, where an alliance holds, say, a metropolis, and rents out vassal zones to renters.. and sometimes drama happens, or backstabbing, or big wars that change the landscape
wicked heath
so basically guildes and large city nodes will be the largest factor in large scale pvp and environment change
viral lintel
with everything there is to it, right.. small, elite mercenary bands etc
wicked heath
the citizens of large city/metropolis nodes
viral lintel
i wonder how much influence the health of vassal nodes have on the health of the "master node" of the region
proper grove
benefits to being a patron guild are large, different levels of nodes have different amount of max guilds that can be a patron, smaller guilds will eat at the chance to settle in a smaller node
wicked heath
I think i heard steven say that citizen ship to high level nodes is about as equally important as your guild allegiance and alliances
viral lintel
i'd hope that the skill mods you get from citizenship, guilds, societies etc are sidegrades.. alternatives to what your class choice provides, not upgrades
gusty mantle
Question! When declaring a seige on a node or castle, can any old joe sign up as an attacker?
viral lintel
i think any non-citizen can
gusty mantle
guud guuuuud. Will help avoid invuln periods being abused
viral lintel
will also make mercenary a viable guild thing
can play a nomad style merc guild and do backstabbing etc
opaque needle
When attacking a freehold is there a limit on how many people can attack it. But say if its owned by 20-50 people but gets attacked by a guild 200+ size surely thats a numbers game they can't win.
gusty mantle
oh that note, can anyone then sign up as a defender?
like if im a nomad and i stumble across a seige being declared, i can just chose a side for poops and giggles
proper grove
bye bye freehold
viral lintel
i'd think so, else defender would always be at a disadvantage and couldn't hire help
proper grove
theres a period after a node is seiged
that they can attack any freehold they want
dont remember how long, but think was an hour
dont quote me
opaque needle
So basically if you have 200+ people you can wipe a whole area if you like ?
stone drum
Hypothetically if somebody who didn’t want there kickstarter account any more.. could I buy it from them? Is that breakin the rules?
cunning sparrow
hello, i'm reading about Alpha 1 and there's 2 dates. Fall 2020 or the end of the year (2020) which one is it?
tidal lake
@opaque needle that's why alliances are important
proper grove
if you have 10k people, you can wipe the server
opaque needle
@opaque needle that's why alliances are important
@tidal lake yeah but I know alot of people who play in small guilds around the size 20 and 30 would suck a bit if you keep getting wiped and have no permanent place.
stone drum
I have 20 take it of leave it 🤷♂️
tidal lake
if you have 10k ppl you're the server 😄
opaque needle
True
gusty mantle
The thing im concerned about with the node seige system is a large guild/alliance using an alt guild to declare a seige and deliberately do nothing in it to lose, puting the territory into that invuln period for minimal risk.
*alt guild deliberatly losing the siege
half egret
anyone can join the siege
gusty mantle
but if a bunch of people can just sign up as attackers when the alt guild declares, that would avoid that situation
viral lintel
people will join the siege though
broken shuttle
Is the game coming out next year?
half egret
no lmao
broken shuttle
Ffs
opaque needle
Well I'm concerned the guild balance because a massive guild could just wipe everything. The only difference with this mmo. You'll be notified that your about to get fucked 😂
viral lintel
isnt there a max size to guilds?
tidal lake
@opaque needle I think... and I am not 100% sure, that the devs were saying that if you under siege, all allies are automatically signed as defenders
I heard there is cap which you can extend instead of passives for guildies
viral lintel
and then the guild would need all their points from levelups to make room for members and cant afford strong skill mods etc, so they're weaksauce zerglings
timid mason
Well I'm concerned the guild balance because a massive guild could just wipe everything. The only difference with this mmo. You'll be notified that your about to get fucked 😂
@opaque needle worried about a dominant guild that hold on to a metro forever
proper grove
metros have 3 patron guilds
tidal lake
I don't think it's good to have it "fair" always
viral lintel
i expect there to be lots of drama, hopefully this will turn out to be a "medieval eve"
opaque needle
Well In the mmos I've played which I mainly played pvp so I don't mind I just know alot of small guild which liked having a separate guild base because there isn't even a competition when its 30v250+
I'm saying if that's your odds surely a guild with 30 will never have a guild hub because aren't they just freehold like that can be wiped?
I don't want it fair but equally don't want most servers where there is just 1 guild that owns everything gets boring and everyone leaves.
viral lintel
they'll have alts with freeholds for whatever you need them for
broken shuttle
Is there any alright mmos to play when I wait for aoc
torpid tangle
bdo / warframe
viral lintel
wow classic is what im playing atm
ruby swift
@proper grove Freeholds can be attacked after a successful node siege for a two hour window (time to be looked at during testing)
surreal void
Wanting to check, node sieges will delevel a node right?
viral lintel
they'll reset it to zero
you raze the town completely
heard the place will be smoldering ruins for a few hours afterwards
wicked heath
is there any place i can put more feedback without spamming?
wicked heath
weapon attack
its a combo system i think
it can apply debuffs and create procs, it is an actual ability and it can be upgraded passivly or actively. It is essentially a spell of its own, however some classes can use it while using other attacks i think
flat scaffold
Q: in order a node to advance, does it need also mat from other region ? so the caravans are essential for the development and at the same time is a way to counter the development of a node?
viral lintel
i hope it's not like "light attack weaving" in eso, that's just killing my wrist
ruby swift
Q is basically your auto attack. Which can be specced into for other effects depending on the skills you choose in the weapon tree. There is no real auto attack, gotta spin to win.
crystal beacon
Q: is there a way to migrate your account to mygames yet? (for EU players)
dapper bluff
Q: Will there be transmogging? Like in WoW where you can were your best stat-items and make them look like other gear?
unreal kernel
Q: Hey, i wanted to ask if there is any information about the Character customization. I mean can you transmog items? I come from GW2 (aka Fashion Wars 2), where you have this amazing "Wardrobe-System" and im curios if AoC will get something simillar. It would be amazing if you can transmog single armor Pieces and wepaons:)
dapper bluff
Hehe two people with same thing in mind at the same time
torpid tangle
dapper bluff
Tbh. I would prefer if there was NO transmog system so you see player progression first hand, instead of heaving to open character menue of other players
noble breach
yeah, agree
dapper bluff
Back in the old days if i saw sb standing there with a full set it was a powerfull view, today everyone looks like i can solo everything though he just started the endgame
noble breach
also could help in combat if you knew what exact armor they're wearing
unreal kernel
Thats true but i would still like to be able to cosutmize my charcter, if for examble if dont like the look of a helmet and think this lv1 leather hemlet i got 50h ago would fit perfectly to my lv 50 Shiny knight armor^^.
dapper bluff
I thinks this is a topic you can split the community by 50:50, so whatever devs decide
opaque needle
There is transmog. It already says so on the wiki.
sudden lark
I like the idea of dye, which I think they have
unreal kernel
Yeah i saw that but i couldnt see if you can transmog single items slots or only full sets
opaque needle
Think works like wow where you can equipped anything onto of what you're wearing. I don't know about dyes and that tho
I think its single item slots
marble basin
By the sounds of the kickstarter rewards, there will be dye-ing at least
unreal kernel
OK thanks:D
opaque needle
But I want transmog and mounts as rewards and drop chances etc just gives another element to do
crystal beacon
if they have cash shop fashion I don't see why they wouldn't have a transmog system, visual progression will already be gone
grave dirge
is there an end date to pre purchase the package for Alpha 2 access? I wanna make sure I buy it before it goes away. Thank you for answers in advance!
opaque needle
No there isn't but apparently they'll let us know before hand
I'm waiting because want the cosmetics to change not a fan currently for what I'm going for.
grave dirge
Same ^ Just didnt want to miss out on the Alpha 2 access just due to not liking the current months cosmetics
Appreciate it @opaque needle ❤️
viral lintel
apparently you'll be able to assess another player by looking at what buffs they have
ruby swift
open knot
Heyy, is there a way to see what kind of pack i ordered? On my order history I just see the date and the amount i spent.
viral lintel
sets give set boni, and those will be visible
ruby swift
@open knot Under main page...to the right side...inventory tab
dry thunder
i think steven talked about a buff where you can read/see what armor someone is wearing when you click on the character, for threat assessment
gusty kettle
dapper bluff
thx
open knot
@ruby swift Thanks! 🙂
woeful zephyr
crystal beacon
does anyone know if there is any news on migrating the stuff you brought to the EU site?
ruby swift
Will be at a future date. No determination yet.
And actually you want to stay here for now. They are having some issues.
karmic wave
Will there be a transmogrification system in the game? Apart from possible cash shop costumes. From what I've seen so far, I'm really not a fan of design decisions made, I don't want a higher level character all covered in gold and frilly bits.
eager gull
Is the corruption system enabled for caravan pvp?
ripe crescent
With the map is it split up so each part of the map has a zone with a name? Like for example in WoW
ruby swift
@eager gull No
There are 7 types of pvp available that do not use the open world flagging system
surreal trellis
I don't think so
ruby swift
Nodes have names once discovered.
Names can be changed by the mayor off of an approved list
broken shuttle
Is there some kind of system to like vote for a name or something?
viral lintel
Deserty McDesertface
surreal trellis
Name? Wdym
ruby swift
broken shuttle
Like for a node
viral lintel
Swampy McSwampface
broken shuttle
Ye
surreal trellis
Like what Unknown said
surreal trellis
👌
viral lintel
steven probably is the one coming up with penisville or dicktopia
seeing how he plays mage, he must be a pest as a player :p
surreal trellis
Mages can be easily dispatched
frigid narwhal
What happens if someone becomes a mayor, but doesn't do anything and goes afk? is the node just screwed for a month?
ruby swift
Yep
surreal trellis
You mean vanishes? Nah a mayor probs has to play for a long time and be well known to become one
ruby swift
Elections have consequences is the Steven quote
frigid narwhal
i mean some elections arent through voting
ruby swift
yep, so fight hard if you worried in your military node
Spend more in economic
Grind harder in religious
frigid narwhal
just curious if say in military node, guy is really good, wins, and goes on a business trip(IRL) for a month, the node prolly just screwed for that month?
viral lintel
i hope there will be epic betrayals and tears, with people who take over big towns, then run with the treasury and stuff, sparking worldwide conflict and years long rivalry and feuds
surreal trellis
I mean what if a guild wants to spread into economy, military and all that shit
But mainly be military
frigid narwhal
i think treasury is bound to the town, doubt you can run off with the lootz
desert ivy
Yes, there is supposed to be consequences in game, whether that be through voting in a bad mayor, or gaining corruption, or something else
You can't just yoink money from the Nodes treasury
viral lintel
still hopeful you can do some sort of damage that really stings, to make espionage and infiltration meaningful, and produce some real politics
frigid narwhal
i guess thats why you dont want a bad mayor, my point is moot i guess, cus the town that gets the shitty mayor prolly wont last
viral lintel
ya know, i love reading those stories about eve online (it sucks as a game, bores me to death, so i dont play it), and hope aoc will have some of that epic drama
frigid narwhal
guess i'll go back to general before toast comes and yells at us for using this channel wrong
viral lintel
arent these the wee hours in the usa? not so much traffic right now 😉
timber zealot
it is around midnight or 1 AM for them
vestal condor
btw since each town can be in war siege , you will never realy be able to secure your chest and matériel since each fucking town can be looted in war right ? sure thère will be à % of drop but you will never be safe to gard the matéreil in your bank
ruby swift
Node treasury can only be spent on city improvements and quest allocation. No ripping off the node and running away. The amount of effort to gain mayor, most people are not going to just piss it away. Sure there will be one or two in the history of a server. But the majority no.
People also underestimate the cost of declaring a siege. The declaration scroll requires input from master crafters and has to be filled with equivalent resources that it took to level that node. It isn't going to be done for shits and giggles to risk that amount for possible limited reward. You lose, investment is sunk. You win, you recoup a portion.
chrome geyser
opaque needle
@ruby swift thanks for that explanation. Yes I didn't gather that sieges will cost alot to start maybe isn't as bad as I thought. Can freeholds only be attack after a node?
viral lintel
that's good, means everyone is needed for the war effort, even lowlevel pvers
craggy harness
will the Alpha 1 packs be locked? or can I purchase one once someone does a review?
grizzled latch
There is a 2 hr window after a successful node destruction where freeholds can be attacked
ruby swift
after a **successful **siege
grizzled latch
They can be defended at that time aswell
opaque needle
There is a 2 hr window after a successful node destruction where freeholds can be attackec
@grizzled latch but is that the only time a freehold can be attacked?
boreal abyss
Yes
ruby swift
Yes
grizzled latch
Yes
boreal abyss
@opaque needle and after your freehold is destroyed and/or vanishes (because not in a ZOI anymore cause node gone)
You will get a template in the mail that allows you to place down the freehold somewhere else with everything in the exact same spots (except the resources that might have been looted)
ruby swift
And there is a huge cooldown after. So not like you are going to have to deal with it every day if they fail.
echo bramble
i like the system.. this gives you a reason to fight for your stuff
boreal abyss
that is the idea 😉
opaque needle
I do like the system was just concerned a massive clan would just go around stomping on everything
grizzled latch
The chance of your freehold being attacked and looted is fairly slim, after a successful siege then there will probsbly be certain freeholds that are targeted but i doubt there will be mass looting.
echo bramble
probably guild freeholds will be targeted the most
opaque needle
Because other mmos if you have the numbers you just stomp everyone until you hit a equally big guild and they're online
boreal abyss
@opaque needle it takes effort to be able to declare a siege, so a single clan will never be able to stomp on whatever they want
grizzled latch
There is a long cooldown for a failed siege and a longer one for successful one. The time is based on the level of the node aswell. So the cool down on attacking a village might be 3 or 5 days but for a metropolis it might be a full month.
opaque needle
@opaque needle it takes effort to be able to declare a siege, so a single clan will never be able to stomp on whatever they want
@boreal abyss yes I now know that. My main concern is that they could just when they wantwd and just clear area after area.
Im sure there will still be massive dick guilds that just crap all over small pve and rp guilds tho.
boreal abyss
then they would do nothing but work to make siege declaration flags
and combatants in a siege is limited (atm 250 on each side)
echo bramble
if a guild wants a war with your guild could you just reject the war?
boreal abyss
so even if they have 1000 ppl, only 250 can participate in the siege itself
not to mention the cost of creating siege weapons
grizzled latch
Open pvp is a thing and if a large guild gets a bad rep people will farm the members even if it means getting corruption. That will siphon their resources because they can't farm anything and stop their sieges.
vestal condor
sure thre will be bullie on weak guild obviously but will this be worth it?
boreal abyss
will what be worth it?
ruby swift
@grizzled latch The 3-5 days is the declaration period. The cooldown for a failed siege is 10x that. A successful siege requires no cooldown because the node is razed to zero.
craggy harness
can we still buy the Alpha 1 packs? or they're gone
boreal abyss
atm gone
might come back later if they want more participants because tests are successful
vestal condor
so much potentiel of War Drama and Chaos in this game ! love it it will be fun
ruby swift
Unavailable. Possibly could come back depending on need.
vapid jackal
reading the wiki someting got me confused: when you choose "summoner" as secondary, do you summons weaponary rather than beasts/creatures ? I read the shadowlord wiki page for insight of what i mean with this question
viral lintel
i just dont have the money laying around for that right now
craggy harness
Question: Will AoC have discord integration
surreal trellis
Andi
boreal abyss
@vapid jackal depends on main archetype, but details are mostly unknown
surreal trellis
The game will be sub only
boreal abyss
@craggy harness yes, as far as we know it will
viral lintel
alpha access costs money
surreal trellis
I mean, if you want to access the alpha. It's fine
But I'd rather wait if it costs this much kek
viral lintel
the cheapest pack is 75$ or so and gives beta 2 access iirc, and thats probably still 2 years out
craggy harness
Question: Will Alpha/Beta testers get cosmetics
boreal abyss
Yh it's all optional, there will be no NDA so you can watch streamers try it out in Alpha etc 🙂
@craggy harness no, not as far as we know
we got those in the packs we bought alpha/beta access to
craggy harness
Will Alpha/Beta reset before full launch
boreal abyss
ofc it will wipe
however, on launch there will be 3 "headstart" servers where some people get access 1-2 days before launch
surreal trellis
Would be unfair for the other peeps
boreal abyss
to slowly burden server so it doesnt crash on launch etc
viral lintel
i'll play on the OCE server, i dont mind others having a headstart.. they'll outpace me anyway, because i dont have the experience, and im time-limited due to rl
boreal abyss
you can always pick a non-headstart server
craggy harness
Andi are you in NZ or AU? We can join a guild if you want
viral lintel
JP
i didnt really bother looking up guilds just yet, with the game still being so far out
boreal abyss
Please do try to leave this channel for Q&A only as there are a lot of new people with questions lately
Would be much appreciated :)
Take discussions to #general-discussion or #aoc-discussion 🙂
ruby swift
I am also in Japan and will have a guild in NA at launch. We are not bothering to recruit till closer to launch.
slow sky
@surreal trellis also the headstart servers offer no node progression and caps at level 10 for the 1-2days players get
ruby swift
Shiiieeet. It took me two day to get to level 4. And that is with nodes active
surreal trellis
Oh, yeah. How long does leveling go?
slow sky
I saw someone mention headstarts to you though and wanted to clarify the headstarts are immensely limited for the few days they go
grizzled latch
50
surreal trellis
And what pace is it?
slow sky
According to peon 45 days of playing 4-6 hours per day or roughly 270 hours
grizzled latch
45 days 4-6 hours I think, might be wrong
surreal trellis
Not to me, they mentioned it to operativekiwi
boreal abyss
@surreal trellis 45 days to max with 6 hours played each day they said
opaque needle
Hopefully they double it
surreal trellis
Damn, that might take longer since i plan on being a merchant, but thanks for the input
slow sky
Games not all about adventuring classes so have fun at your own pace
viral lintel
i wonder how long it will take to lvl 20, and if it takes a long while, or if the point at where you can pick your class can be reduced to 10 or so. it's kinda terrible to play half a class.. or at least its terrible in wow, think of the hunter without a pet.
ruby swift
It is an estimate. Some may never make 50 before the first expansion to whatever the next cap is.
surreal trellis
I mean. If I nolife it, I can get to level 50
boreal abyss
@viral lintel atm the level for 2nd archetype is 25
viral lintel
im not in a hurry to get to 50, but i'll totally want to play my chosen class asap
slow sky
Without a metropolis it may take a while to nolife 50 too
opaque needle
Just wait for that guy who maxed level in first few weeks.
ruby swift
@viral lintel Secondary is from 25 and your secondary just augments your base archetype. You will not be missing out on a "full class" just flavor.
slow sky
All i care about level wise is 25 for the secondary class
grizzled latch
Its not like hunter without the pet, its more like playing without talent points. Just extra flavor missing from lower level content
surreal trellis
Also. As I just heard archetype. That means I could be a tank summoner?
slow sky
Yes
viral lintel
i mean, summoner or necro, that seems like quite the difference
slow sky
Theres 64 class combinations
ruby swift
There is gating in that you have to wait for nodes to level before you can level. No quests and mobs your level then no exp.
Color cons are a thing. Grey to red.
boreal abyss
I like to explain classes like this
You have a main archetype ice cream, covered in 2nd archetype sauce
vapid jackal
Its known that one of the only ways of getting a flying mount is a rare dragon egg drop... can you breed the dragon with an otter?
boreal abyss
just adds flavor, is still basically the same class
surreal trellis
Well, a rare dragon, you can get by being a king
ruby swift
and the augments are the sprinkles
boreal abyss
@vapid jackal doubtful since they are rare drops
vapid jackal
what use is my mount if it isnt an otter 
viral lintel
i guess you can get by by just alternating characters till zones level up sufficiently
ruby swift
Yep
surreal trellis
Oh, wait
ruby swift
plans within plans
surreal trellis
That sounds better for me lmao
slow sky
Or go hardcore leveling on lv 2 boars
surreal trellis
I'll be traveling 24/7 with the stuff I want to sell
fringe breach
as mayor when you set tax's can you give lower tax's to others?
viral lintel
i just really wanna drag some smelly zombies around, rather than some generic golem type or whatever a summoner will have
slow sky
Then be a necromancer
viral lintel
lvl 25
boreal abyss
@fringe breach yes, you can decide overall tax, not specific tax from person to person
viral lintel
maybe they reduce that a bit at some point, game wont come out tomorrow
boreal abyss
Please do try to leave this channel for Q&A only as there are a lot of new people with questions lately
Would be much appreciated :)
Take discussions to #general-discussion or #aoc-discussion 🙂
rigid steppe
when will alpha 1 come out?
boreal abyss
During/After Fall this year (all thats known)
boreal abyss
not that we know of no
quasi latch
sad
grizzled fjord
Question regarding Pre-Order packs. If I purchase the Voyager pack, but I enjoy the next pack's cosmetics more, can I upgrade/change over?
boreal abyss
No
If you buy this months 250$ pack and the 375$ pack next month
you will get all skins up to the 250$ pack this month
and next month you will only get the skins that are only in teh 375$ pack
so if you do not like this month's cosmetics, you can always wait and hope next month is better suited to your tastes 🙂
grizzled fjord
I can't purchase consecutive $375 packs?
boreal abyss
you can upgrade to the 375$ pack if you have bought any other pack
and, based on which TIER of pack you own, you can purchase the cosmetics from those packs and lower separately in future month cosmetics
So if you buy 250$ pack now
in future months, any cosmetics in the 250$ pack or lower
you can buy separately (between 5-25$ cost)
chrome vine
I believe you can also buy 2 separate packs tho as well, say you like the cosmetics form 2 different packs, buy the 375 from before and the 375 from the swamp one
grizzled fjord
Yeah that's what I wanted to do
boreal abyss
No point in buying 2 packs, as you can buy cosmetics separately in future packs as I said
grizzled fjord
Hm alright
chrome vine
Keep in mind, if you buy an extra pack instead of separate cosmetics you also get the additional game time that comes with the pack
And the extra embers
grizzled fjord
Too bad I didn't get the $500 KS pack 🙄
boreal abyss
cosmetics based on tier:
75$ - Accessory Skin
150$ - Pet Skin
250$ - Mount skin
375$ - Costume, Freehold, Caravan/Boat Skins
so if yuou buy 250$ pack now
in future months, you can buy Accessory, Pet and Mount skins separately
but not Costume, Freehold or Caravan/Boat skins @grizzled fjord
grizzled fjord
The thing I'm most interested in this month is the freehold and the costume
boreal abyss
Then you would have to get teh 375$ pack one
and that will allow you to purchase any future montly cosmetics separately from their packs
grizzled fjord
Yeah which I said I would do
boreal abyss
Just wanted to make sure I explained it properly, my bad 😛
grizzled fjord
I just wanted to know if I could purchase NEXT month/whenever's packs costumes as well
grizzled fjord
yeah no worries
thats all I wanted to know
Do I get 2 Alpha 2 keys too?
If I buy 2 $375 packs
boreal abyss
That is what I have been trying to tell you
grizzled fjord
Ah I see
boreal abyss
there is no need to buy 2x 375$ packs
grizzled fjord
I think I get it now
boreal abyss
as you can buy any cosmetics separately after you have bought 1 🙂
if you buy one now, future cosmetics will only cost you between 5-25$
chrome vine
Each^
torpid cape
you would only ever "need" to buy one $375 pack and then just pick and choose what you want in the future
grizzled fjord
Okay that makes sense
I get it now, cool
Now this is an even more niche question but could I buy a separate alpha/beta key for a friends account? in next months pack or is it just cosmetics at that point and he needs to get it himself
torpid cape
you could make him an account and buy it on said account
i dont believe there is a gifting system on the shop though if thats what youre asking
ruby swift
No. Keys are not a la carte at this time, and probably never will be.
torpid cape
^
grizzled fjord
I was just curious if it was an actual key I got. If I got 2 $375 packs I could take the cosmetics and give him the keys. Just wishful thinking. Thanks for the help
grizzled fjord
Yeah I didn't think so, Just wanted him to be able to play in the alpha 2 test with me but I wanted the cosmetics is all
dapper bluff
Will it be possible to buy gametime from ember, and ember from ingame currency (whatever the ingame currency is) like in EvE Online?
ruby swift
Nope
You can apply Intrepid Bucks from referrals to purchase subtime or stuff from the store.
boreal abyss
real money and the in game economic is completely separate
ruby swift
There will be no RMT or currency swapping of the sort you are thinking of.
No EVE Plex or WoWToken bs here.
copper hound
So are current animations still placeholder?
slow sky
Very much so
copper hound
Do we know if they will be partially or mostly done by alpha 2?
ruby swift
No idea. Every iteration gets better, but alpha is when that stuff is done amirite?
desert ivy
They'll probably be relatively done by beta I'd personally say
My guess is beta will be basically the optimization and balancing phases
But again, 100% guess
Everything you saw in the 4k gameplay video is basically a work in progress/placeholder
Nothing in the vid is done or even close to it
copper hound
Lots of mmos have a hard time with feeling like you weigh more than paper
And I haven't heard anything on how they want the animations to look and feel
Or what backgrounds the people doing that work have
So more than the rest of the game, that's what concerns me
desert ivy
You can see a list of people who work at Intrepid here. https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Category:Intrepid_Studios_staff
It's not the full list because Intrepid recently stopped posting their entire staff team as they were having issues with companies trying to poach employees
copper hound
Fair
hushed kelp
okay so its says freeholds cannot be placed to a certain proximity to main roads what is the size of that proximity is it like 50-80 feet or meters?
the 50-80 was just a guess
desert ivy
Don't think we know the exact specifics to that yet. It'll probably be figured out during the testing phases.
hushed kelp
ah ok ty for the info, was wondering because i want to have my freehold tavern close to the road
copper hound
For people searching for animation in the future https://ashesofcreation.wiki/2019-06-27_Developer_Diaries:_Animation
Next question, will guilds be account or character based?
slow sky
Character based iirc
shell mason
@idle siren hi i would like to know what exactly the Scout class would excel at i understand the name and from books and other media i know the background of the name but english isnt my first language do any help would be appreciated also do we get specific buffs with specific pets for example falcons or feline pets that excel at stealth and reconnaissance especially when it comes to caravans and sieges as i would see Scouts as masters of sieges and caravans either in offensive or defensive situations as their pets and their mobility would play a pivotal role in them
sorry for the long post
full badger
@shell mason Right now we know very little about the specific classes. You're going to have to wait a bit for that I'm afraid.
shell mason
@full badger Thanks mate soz for the trouble
full badger
It's no trouble. Also tagging Steven isn't going to get you anywhere, but feel free to ask any questions you like and we'll do our best to answer them
bold fable
If I buy the Wayfarer Pre-Order pack can I play the Alpha now
ancient wing
it says it gives access to beta two only
voyager gives you access to alpha and beta test phases
kind heron
right now its only royalty and up right? Leader of Men in August, then Braver of Worlds early fall? https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Alpha-1
full badger
That's correct, although right now there is no active testing going on afaik @kind heron
west scarab
Can I ask about the Artisan classes ? I watched the interview with Steven and I understood that part as follows: You can choose one of 3 paths(crafting, processing, gathering) you can level multiple professions in one of these paths but master only one of them(crafting>alchemy for example), but reading the wiki it tells me that with enough time you can master all the professions in one of the paths, I suppose the wiki info is just out dated, but I figured I will ask anyway and maybe someone will know how it is 😄
kind heron
I upgraded to BoW a few weeks ago Pog cant wait to test things out.
full badger
@west scarab This is something we need to get clarification on as the plans might have changed since that wiki article was made
fresh iron
When is the next testing? Or do we not have a specific date? I see it just says "summer"
full badger
@fresh iron We don't have a set date yet for testing
Intrepid generally only do tests when they consider it necessary
fresh iron
Well I'm dropping bills on the highest preorder to support/play the alphas etc
I'm stoked for this game
Now if only I had friends to convince to start a guild with me when it comes out lmao
full badger
There are lots of guilds already up and running for Ashes. You can check them out in the #aoc-guild-recruitment channel @fresh iron
fresh iron
Definitely will (: thanks
kind heron
a few years ago there was a site that had all the guilds and you could like select what you were interested and it would give you guild recommendations. not sure if its still up though.
ancient wing
you can take a look in the guild recruitment
i see some pretty interesting guilds in there
desert ivy
Yeah, if a guild is serious about Ashes then they'll post in #aoc-guild-recruitment, so your best bet is to look there
desert ivy
Expansions are free
untold dawn
not that i'll mind
hushed kelp
so i asked a similar question earlier but freeholds cant be placed near main roads but do small roads like a pathway from the main road to a forest count too?
desert ivy
Any future dlc or expansions will be free of charge.
untold dawn
i will show my support by buying in game shop items then i guess haha
Nothing like a good ole cosmetic shop to look cool at level 1 (i hope)
ancient wing
games that make you buy it and every next expansion and on top of that subscription...ugh
untold dawn
i personally don't mind it
as long as the expansion is good
and not what wow has had last few years
opaque needle
games that make you buy it and every next expansion and on top of that subscription...ugh
@ancient wing not an issue if its a good game.
magic barn
how does refunding work? do i get charged if i preorder now?
low lantern
@west scarab Lex keeps the wiki fairly up to date. With that said I’d like further confirmation on that as well
boreal abyss
@magic barn yes you do
magic barn
and refunding is not an issue before release?
low lantern
@magic barn if you have reservations just wait to buy
ancient wing
@opaque needle true but imo there aren't any games like that today
magic barn
thanks
low lantern
Cosmetics change every month as well if you don’t like the current ones
magic barn
yea i dont like the current one >.< so i'll wait a bit
low lantern
But after you buy a pack you can individually buy them from the equal tier and below
opaque needle
@opaque needle true but imo there aren't any games like that today
@ancient wing in my opinion playing games over the last 15 years they have just all turned into money making. The hope is this one is different but people have been here before hoped a game to be different then boom a no man sky situation😂
magic barn
it's the same price then? so ill just get 9+9 months ingame time etc. ?or do i just buy the cosmetics
desert ivy
You can buy the individual cosmetics after buying the appropriate pack
ancient wing
@opaque needle ye but wasn't no man's sky also pressured from the top to go out faster
low lantern
If you bought the top pack you would have access to all future cosmetics
ancient wing
so it's all the money hungry companies that are at fault
slow sky
Ashes has no pressure from a publisher to push out their game faster than they need to
opaque needle
@opaque needle ye but wasn't no man's sky also pressured from the top to go out faster
@ancient wing I'd take this to #general-discussion
low lantern
But if you bought the 2nd highest you wouldn’t have access to the freehold, outfits, and caravan skins and so on
dapper sleet
Sorry, this is more of a suggestion than a question but here we go: Is it possible for you guys to attach a twitter bot that reposts everything Ashes of Creation is posting here on discord?
fair talon
can i preview items i buy in higher resolution from Pre - order Package? I can find only small images at shop.
dapper sleet
@fair talon search for them in the wiki one by one, you'll find info there \o/
opaque needle
Sorry, this is more of a suggestion than a question but here we go: Is it possible for you guys to attach a twitter bot that reposts everything Ashes of Creation is posting here on discord?
@dapper sleet they give the same announcements in #news anyway
low lantern
If you buy a pack you can upgrade later. You would keep the cosmetics from the first pack but only the higher tier ones of the new pack
magic barn
still very confusing but thanks !
dapper sleet
Ye I understand that, it's just regarding the more "fun" posts and not necessarily updates ones, the triviatuesday thing for instance
hushed kelp
ok so if i want a freehold and want a tavern on it can i put the freehold on a side path into a forest does that still count as a main road for the main road proximity rule?
low lantern
Not sure but I don’t think there will be any side paths
fair talon
answering my question, there is even video with July cosmetic skin. I am not sure if i can post youtube here
boreal abyss
you can most likely put "close" to a road, but not on a road
@fair talon there should be an article on their page with higher def of pics
check "News" or something
hushed kelp
well the idea for that was im trying to place it as close to any sort of main road or side path to allow more people to find it and and use it and im hoping the proximity rule is only 50-80 feet from the road
low lantern
Roads grow as nodes do, so some paths might turn into main roads while others won’t depending on which nodes develop
hushed kelp
ahh ty for the info
lone dove
probably a lot of people asked about this already but does anyone know roughly when we'll be able to access the beta and if it will cost money or not
rustic berry
is gear progression in AoC mainly vertical or horizontal ?
lone dove
so 15 bucks a month as they said or
echo bramble
14,99$
ornate gate
will it also be 15€ or less?
lone dove
date is unknown i assume
echo bramble
no box price, only 14,99 per month
lone dove
i dont think theres gonna be a thing like wow token where you grind in-game gold to pay for your sub fee right
low lantern
@rustic berry I think mostly vertical but there are enchantments and such
ruby swift
@lone dove No
low lantern
Don’t believe they plan on having tokens but you can take advantage of the referral system
copper hound
What's your source Nibiru
lone dove
what about referral system (what does it do)
full badger
In his interview with Shroud and Summit, Steven said there will be no kind of WoW Token system
crystal beacon
when will alpha 2 be out ?
ornate gate
2021
echo bramble
when will alpha 2 be out ?
@crystal beacon hopefully next year but we dont know
ruby swift
Referral system gains you Intrepid bucks that can be spent on your sub, stuff in the store, or redeemed as cash. The EU people have different rules as to referrals compensation due to their laws.
lone dove
ohh ok
copper hound
Steven said more on no tokens in Asmons stream
low lantern
For NA you get 15% of whatever your referrals spend
ruby swift
As Mist said above that is only the latest time it has been mentioned. There will be no EVE Plex or WoWToken type of changing in game currency for sub time. RMT and other practices that promote gold selling will not be a thing and those that think they can cheese the system will find themselves banned and locked out of the game.
lone dove
wasn't steve talking about beta keys on asmon's stream , will people have access to the game right away when they receive the key or once you receive it then you gotta pay to access it
ruby swift
There is no sub during testing
Sub time will only be subtracted after live launch.
Those with keys, gifted or otherwise will be able to access their testing phase when available.
lone dove
alrighty ty
burnt island
Is there a site or page that shows which planned features are currently in the pre-alpha?
little star
Sorry for asking but can I get the design of each class and the basic concept or idea of each overall class? (reason-I can see which class I want to focus on)Example- Shadow Lord(does it summon monster/pet and based on your primary class it enhances the monster/pet to be stronger)
zenith acorn
Oh yea, is there a list of confirmed features available and ready for alpha 1 ?
ocean bluff
Ashes has no pressure from a publisher to push out their game faster than they need to
@slow sky Well, but they have Steven who is paying this from his own pocket. A year more of development time means for him a loss of several millions - something that he probably also does not want.
full badger
@little star Right now the only information we have on the classes is here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Classes
It's very limited as most of the classes haven't been implemented yet
little star
thanks😁
slow sky
Steven has said multiple times the project is fully funded and he’ll take as much time that is necessary even if that means delays
zenith acorn
Thats completely fine .. as he said in the summit stream .. games that launch bad have that bad impression imprinted on them forever even if they become better later on
full badger
@burnt island @zenith acorn https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Alpha-1 This should give you an idea of what is going to be in Alpha 1 (subject to change of course)
clear crypt
What will progression be like in AoC? One of the things I like about black desert is that there is near infinite progression. It would take you years to get max gear in that game. Will AoC be similar? Or is reaching cap strength achievable within 3 months or so? If this is totally unknown, you can simply say so
burnt island
@full badger Thanks! 🙂
little star
what a nice community member Mist
full badger
What will progression be like in AoC? One of the things I like about black desert is that there is near infinite progression. It would take you years to get max gear in that game. Will AoC be similar? Or is reaching cap strength achievable within 3 months or so? If this is totally unknown, you can simply say so
@clear crypt There will be a max level and a skill point system for assigning augments to your class abilities. That's about as much as we know right now. Progression to max level will be on the slower side but we won't know for sure how long it will take until further testing
slow sky
We have no real clue about end game progession or general buit has been estimated it would take roughly 45 days of playing 4-6 hours just to reach level cap of 50
clear crypt
Ah I see that is quite quick
naive crow
How long does it normally take for review job applications?
zenith acorn
@full badger Thanks
clear crypt
Thanks guys
full badger
How long does it normally take for review job applications?
@naive crow That's something you'll need to ask @tight gale I think.
naive crow
@full badger Thank you
lime island
do people who have supported the game since kickstarter get to buy the cosmetic pack of every month even after theyre removed?
desert ivy
No, no one can buy the cosmetics after they have been removed
slate harbor
@zenith acorn ruffy picture i see a men of culture
zenith acorn
@slate harbor You meant Luffy right
ancient wolf
so when exactly will this game be able to be played ?
full badger
@ancient wolf You mean a full release? We don't know. Intrepid are very careful not to give out dates that they can't keep to.
sinful nebula
2,3,4 years
full badger
Community estimates are at least 2 years from a full release
desert ivy
Depends. Full release is probably 2+ years away. Alpha 1 is available to all A1 pack holders in fall. A2 will be next year sometime. B1 will probably be late late next year or early 2022. (Pure speculation)
ancient wolf
well i guess what i mean is there a way for me to get early access to help test things etc
desert ivy
Buy one of the preorder packs on the website
or hope you get a beta key by a streamer of other community figure during a giveaway
ancient wolf
you mean the 375$ pack etc etc
full badger
The earliest you can gain access to now is Alpha 2, which will likely be up sometime next year
desert ivy
Alpha 2 is $250, Beta 1 is $150, Beta 2 is $75
But there will be Beta 2 keys being given away by streamers in the future
ancient wolf
so if i buy the 250 pack i could be playing right now?
ancient wolf
well i was seeing something about september of this year is reason im asking
stable plover
A1 keys might go on sale again, depending on how the testing goes
ancient wolf
im part of a big discord community 2k ppl and im an admin on there and trying to find out what we would have to do to get in on this cause im def gonna be playing /streaming this game when its available
fervent relic
isnt that too expensive for people wanting to actually help?
limpid sapphire
are A1 keys v pricey? i'm seriously considering b2
grim breach
The last time A1 was available as a pre order pack, it was $500
limpid sapphire
oof
fervent relic
why so expensive though 😄
limpid sapphire
does anyone know if your character can JUMP?
ancient wolf
and with this a1 your able to play / test now?
grim breach
The pack sells you the game time, cosmetics, premium currencies, name reservation
slate harbor
@zenith acorn sorry dude i wrote it in german. in german its ruffy
grim breach
Honestly, alpha or beta access included is only like a side dish
fervent relic
what would u do with these currencies though 2-3 years prior to release?
grim breach
If you're looking for free beta access, you can follow the official Content Creators closely. I believe they will be provided with beta keys to giveaway.
Nothing.
The currencies will be used to buy premium cosmetics
Once the game launch
fervent relic
then why is it so expensive to actually go test the game and help
i have a large team eager to join
grim breach
Like I said, it's business.
sour gate
Hello I'm new here and I'm actually so excited to see this game come to live. I have a question still, can you still back up the game progression or some sort of pre-purchase pack?
fervent relic
on release but we still want to help
desert ivy
Because they have more than enough people spending the money to get into the alphas and betas tbh
grim breach
The testing access they're giving you, they're just side dishes.
desert ivy
Like there's at least 10k alpha 1 backers atm
fervent relic
hmmm
grim breach
does anyone know if your character can JUMP?
@limpid sapphire Jump as in spacebar to jump? Yes.
stable plover
@fervent relic People are enthusiastic to help, but there's only so many bug reports that can be gone through at once - Intrepid did/will have free testing opportunities (Siege/monster coin stuff from APOC)
fervent relic
i still think the packs for A1 and A2 are crazy expensive
since this isnt a p2w game
desert ivy
Well depends. I just added up the total cost for all the cosmetics and additional stuff you got from the $500 A1 pack, and it totalled to $445 worth of stuff excluding the alpha 1, 2, beta 1 and beta 2 access
So you could argue you're only paying $55 for access to all testing phases
crystal beacon
So does anyone know how healing is gonna be like ? Or atleast what idea they’re going for regarding healing
grim breach
If you don't think of them as early access packs, you won't think they're that expensive. It costs a lot of money, yes, but they also give you a lot of stuff with their "expected" value of the items they included in the bundle.
wraith junco
are the items given with the alpha pack tradable?
fading latch
No
stable plover
@crystal beacon There are both targeted heals and aimed heals, There are different healing styles focusing on things like burst/prevention/hots -> You might want to read up on cleric on the wiki
fervent relic
u are paying for access to help them and test the game and give ideas etc and spending 500$ for items that will be usable 3 years later 😄
fading latch
Correct
fervent relic
if it was like 150 or 200 i would get it no questions asked
fair yew
None of the cosmetics you buy will be tradable
final pollen
@fervent relic maybe if u keep cry they’ll give u a discount
timber zealot
isn't the 500$ package also include lifetime sub?
final pollen
wraith junco
well they are taking the lazy route. they could've made you pay for only alpha/beta access and use that money to rent extra servers temporarly
stable plover
Some of the cosmetic items will become available before launch during testing itself btw -- For example some cosmetic purchases were available during APOC
fervent relic
@final pollen maybe 😄
digital yacht
It was on Kickstarter
boreal abyss
only the Kickstarter pack @timber zealot
timber zealot
ahh
fair yew
Please keep this channel for questions take discussions to #aoc-discussion
wraith junco
but they prefer to open a few servers and limit the supply to jack up the prices
final pollen
Yes sir moderator @fair yew
wraith junco
honestly this is the only thing I hate comming from a dev team claiming that they are one of the gamers they must know that the most enthusiastic fans most likely will not have 350 bucks to toss around
boreal abyss
No one is forcing you to pre-order
fading latch
^
boreal abyss
You can wait and see when content creators show off the Alpha 1 as there is no NDA
still night
the open beta will launch in this year?
boreal abyss
No
fading latch
Alpha 1 is this year
boreal abyss
Never any "open" beta
wraith junco
what if i want to play this year but dont have 350 bucks?
boreal abyss
Then you are out of luck
fading latch
Then you dont get to play do you
final pollen
Then save @wraith junco
still night
more 2 ou 3 years to play?
final pollen
Sell drugs
fervent relic
yup everything else i've read so far looks super good
wraith junco
so no poor people allowed I get it 😦
fading latch
No
fervent relic
except for the price to access alphas and betas
wraith junco
@final pollen I am a student man so even if I make money its gonna go to tuition XD
fervent relic
seems counter intuitive
final pollen
@fervent relic ur looking at it wrong, u pay to support the game
boreal abyss
if you not being able to try out the game before release is a dealbreaker
this might not be the game for you 🙂
final pollen
Not for access to betas
wraith junco
wow did not make you pay to try the game before access
fervent relic
i can support the game when i get a basic idea of what im working with ofc
digital yacht
@wraith junco even if u had the money u couldn’t play this year
tulip hatch
Please take extra comments/discussion to the discussion channels
Keep this to Questions and Answers only.
wraith junco
it turned out great
fervent relic
tidal stirrup
WoW was traditionally published, not crowdfunded
desert ivy
I mean, ashes isn't crowdfunded either really
wraith junco
@digital yacht
boreal abyss
WoW Never had an open Beta either
wraith junco
the alpha is comming soon
swift wedge
Imagine $50 fee for A1+, all 100k people that wanna play game get that pack, try to log in at the same time to A1, can't log in, server dies, writes crap game reviews and refunds game, gg
wraith junco
they did all the recent interview to hype up for the alpha
grim breach
No one asked you to pre order. If you're not happy with the prices, you don't have to get on the game early.
It's not a race. They also have more than enough dedicated testers already (hopefully).
wraith junco
@desert ivy exactly ashes had a budget greater than wow from the get go
digital yacht
@wraith junco yea but u can’t buy into the alpha this year this year sales are closed
boreal abyss
@tulip hatch
wraith junco
the devs want to break even before they even publish the game XD
desert ivy
Release wow also didn't have 1/10 of the features ashes will have
potent thunderBOT
desert ivy
And games 20 years ago were way cheaper and easier to make
But again, this is a questions channel so #aoc-discussion
tulip hatch
Take your discussion elsewhere, comments will be removed
wraith junco
ok
torpid grove
Where can I place a guild recruitment message in a different language than english, french, german or russian?
desert ivy
Probably not many places as those are the only officially supported languages atm
boreal abyss
should be no issue posting it in there afaik, I've seen turkish recruitment posts in there so
torpid grove
All right
vapid bane
How much character customization will there be?
main ridge
In the Ashes of Creation - Nodes Part Two video on the Ashes of Creation official youtube, it was mentioned that the ultimate perk of economic metropolises was the connected market between all nodes within its ZOI, and scientific metropolises allowing for fast travel within their ZOI.
My question is: do we have any information regarding the ultimate perks of military and/or divine metropolises?
boreal abyss
"think BDO, but no abominations" i think an early quote we got about character customization was
digital yacht
@main ridge we know absolutely very little of divine nodes
boreal abyss
and we do not know ultimate perk of military nodes either
pallid fractal
Will my.com have the power to turn the game into P2W like any other game they published?
digital yacht
Nope
full badger
Will my.com have the power to turn the game into P2W like any other game they published?
@pallid fractal Nope. They only hold the rights to publish the game in Europe. They have no control over the game design or monitization
untold dawn
Question about pre order
digital yacht
@pallid fractal they are publishing it to EU that is all they can do
untold dawn
If i were to pre-order the most expensive edition
now
do i get any pre-order cosmetics that are added afterwards?
or is it ONLY the pre-order pack at the time
desert ivy
Not for free, but you can buy the future cosmetics
humble widget
yeah i think you get the one at the time but can buy the other ones later
desert ivy
If you don't like the current cosmetics, they usually change each month so you can wait until there's a cosmetic bundle you enjoy.
untold dawn
ah ok
dope
man im in a rush
saving up for a vr headset, this game and a rtx 3080ti
vapid loom
Can you still get the Cloak of the Seahawk? It looks awesome!
digital yacht
No
opaque pivot
Do you guys know if you'll be animationlocked while spamming AAs? (Huge Question for me)
vapid loom
Any1 have an idea for system reqs so far?
digital yacht
U won’t need a super computer
digital yacht
U will be able to potato the graphics to some extent
humble widget
yeah it would be smart to not make the entry too high
full badger
Any1 have an idea for system reqs so far?
@vapid loom They are planning for the game to be able to run on 5 year old hardware. The 4k footage was recorded on an i7 7700 and a 1080Ti, for reference
boreal abyss
they have said that system req at min will be 3-5 years prior to release
untold dawn
super annoyed i missed out on the pack before this one
fading latch
Such is life friend@untold dawn
desert ivy
@opaque pivot There aren't auto attacks in this game in the traditional sense
full badger
Do you guys know if you'll be animationlocked while spamming AAs? (Huge Question for me)
@opaque pivot They haven't spoken anything about that, although it should be noted that there won't be a traditional "auto attack", but a weapon skill similar to GW2
vapid loom
That’s great; more people that can play the better for all of us
@untold dawn glad I came in for this one
The orcs are my thing
digital yacht
If that “aa skill” happens to be on ur action side of the slider then u can freely move around while attacking
opaque pivot
@full badger @digital yacht Thanks for answering the Question
I just pray the game will feel as fluid as GW2
pallid fractal
If i buy the pre-order with an intrepid account on the official AoC site can i play with that account on EU or how does it work?
vapid loom
How much are addons for the following month ? Is it a static price or varies ?
dark jungle
*my.games
@vapid loom pricing is here https://ashesofcreation.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360041639433-2020-Monthly-Cosmetics
vapid loom
No I mean, if you buy the $375 or the $250, what is next month’s for all the cosmetics?
dark jungle
the pricing i linked you
vapid loom
Thanks Lex
clear crypt
Can somebody explain why in lazypeons video there is such a huge discrepancy at times between the look of combat? This is very different
desert ivy
Because that's pure action combat
grim breach
That is Apocalypse. Pure action combat.
dark jungle
that scene is an early iteration of apocalypse combat
fair talon
are cosmetics changing every month or every two month? Or how often?
stable plover
@untold dawn The package includes embers which can be used to individually get future cosmetics in game
dark jungle
@fair talon usually every month
clear crypt
And apocalypse combat, will that be the dominant look of combat during duels and other pvp?
vapid loom
For COVID
stable plover
dark jungle
apocalypse combat was action only. The MMORPG combat is hybrid
stable plover
@clear crypt The goal is to get something closer to halfway between the current MMO combat and the APOC combat
unreal zealot
im looking on my.games and i only see apocolyps
clear crypt
Thanks
opaque pivot
@clear crypt as far as i understood it'll be your own choice to allocate the spells in the spellbar to more action/tabtarget-based, tldr ur choice
languid crater
I noticed in one of the node videos (I think) they mention taverns as freeholds? Will you be able to run your own tavern then?
vapid loom
Till the town is razed to the ground 😂😁
unreal zealot
ok cheers
stable plover
@languid crater Yes, you can run a variety of businesses from your freehold
crystal beacon
Wait is there a way to see the cosmetic items ?
stable plover
glad breach
will there be a lot of character cosmetics when it comes to clothing at launch or will it be released overtime postlaunch?
stable plover
@glad breach Both <- partially my opinion depending on what you think 'a lot' is
There will be at least as many earnable in game cosmetics (of roughly equivalent quality) as store purchase ones.
glad breach
okay thanks
untold dawn
so in the wiki
it shows that there is such thing as racial armor
but can that armor be worn as other races
verbal sandal
So rare drops/materials from bosses can only be extracted by master gatherer?
fading latch
Yes. Your armour will change shape and appearence based on the race who wears it@untold dawn
@verbal sandal that is correct
verbal sandal
would that be classified as mining or farming or the other ones that i dont remember
digital yacht
Gathering
boreal abyss
@untold dawn basically, 1 item has multiple appearances, depending on waht race wears it
fading latch
@boreal abyss i literally just said that
boreal abyss
from the way he asked, it seemed like he thought there were multiple versions of an armor, 1 version for each race, so I felt a need to clarify just in case that it wasn't so
untold dawn
well on the wiki it says
empyrean level 20 (tier 3) plate armor
i was under the assumption that armor could only be obtained and worn by empyrean
tough sierra
I've got a more personalized question for some of the lads that have been following this game for years: what's it like seeing this sudden flooding of new interest and support in the game?
boreal abyss
@tough sierra its nice
untold dawn
i've been following the game for around two years
boreal abyss
@untold dawn most likely it just means that "that" is an exmaple of how Empyreans might look at level 20 with armor
rustic berry
am i the only one that thinks that apocalypse looks better VISUALLY than the MMO ?
digital yacht
Cuz it was pure action combat those always look better and their system isn’t finished
tough sierra
How will servers work? Will it be a region-vased system. Also, will servers be split in regards to majority player interest, such as rp, pvp, and over focused servers?
boreal abyss
There will be no "type" servers
tough sierra
Pve*
verbal sandal
@digital yacht So as long as you are a master gatherer it doesn't matter if you are only focus on mining? Or do we have to dabble in little bit of everything to become a master of that profession?
boreal abyss
@tough sierra all servers are PvX
crystal beacon
Q: freeholds can only be attacked after a node lost a siege?
digital yacht
@verbal sandal that is hard to tell I’m not 100% sure how that will work
rustic berry
@verbal sandal pretty sure they said that you will only be able to master 1-2 professions
tough sierra
Will there be any systems in place for helping players interested in specific types of content find groups for them such as helping a roleplayed finding a roleplay group/guild
tough sierra
Will the changes to your main archetype through your secondary archetype be more cosmetic or combat diversity based
digital yacht
The secondary changes your abilities
frosty pike
Do you know when is apocalypse back up ?
untold dawn
@tough sierra can i refer you to the interviews done by asmongold and summit?
boreal abyss
@crystal beacon yes
verbal sandal
@rustic berry I think only 1 artisan skill tree to truly master
But each tree has different professions. Gathering for example has Fishing, Mining, etc
tough sierra
@untold dawn I've watched them both multiple times
boreal abyss
@tough sierra The Internet? no in game tools afaik at least
digital yacht
It doesn’t give you new ones it further extends on the existing ones @tough sierra
tough sierra
The explanation in those videos, in my opinion, left a bit to be desired
boreal abyss
only changes that 2nd archetype brings is "augments" you can add to skills to change them up a bit
Think of it as a Main Archetype ice cream, covered in 2nd archetype sauce
tough sierra
Understood
tawny bluff
Has this new wave of testers come out to leader of men yet
digital yacht
No
boreal abyss
but details will be unknown until A2 when classes will be tested
tough sierra
Will people who took double tank archetypes be more effective in that role than someone who took main tank but a different secondary
digital yacht
8 mIn classes are testing in a1
soft magnet
They should release A1 packs again 😉
tough sierra
Same question with mcdouble cleric vs half cleric
digital yacht
@tough sierra unable to tell until a2 when we can test those augments
tough sierra
Is there a time/level set for when people will be able to choose their second archaetype
digital yacht
Yes
brittle vector
quick question, what is the current phase of development? Alpha 1- with NDA?
digital yacht
@brittle vector
tough sierra
How viable will classes who took tank as their secondary be
tough sierra
I imagine some moreso than others, such as a fighter main over a mage main
digital yacht
Any question you have about secondary archetypes will be met with almost the same answer “it needs to be tested”
tough sierra
Bastard luck, cheers
digital yacht
Until alpha 2 when we start testing it
desert ivy
Tank/tank will probably be the tankiest class as they've said that classes that double down will most likely be strong, but lack versatility
tropic abyss
tough sierra
Will there be a pet system in the game? Such as taming a beast in the wild to use in combat
Or perhaps a more cosmetic pet system
desert ivy
There will also be pets, yes. Both combat pets and cosmetic pets with the combat pets being tameable from creatures in the world
tough sierra
Beast
karmic wave
What determines whether the node will be scientific, military, faith, etc.?
tawny bluff
I need a fact check but it should be random and you can tell by the npcs gathered around the node near the lower levels of the node
crystal flax
@karmic wave Predetermined, every node is set to be one of the 4 types
flat carbon
So i get heavily invested in anything that has a crafting system and it can make or break a game for me, will the game have a blacksmithing system that would be affected by your actions on how you craft the gear and what crafting materials you use or will it be similar to a RuneScape style where you cant fail and the item is the same for everyone?
so say i use a thunderbird feather in crafting an arrow for its flight would that give it thunder affinity etc?
desert ivy
Blacksmithers can assign armour with different stats and skills
grave dirge
@tough sierra Steven said in an interview that the second archtype will be available halfway through, so max level being 50, the second archtype will be at 25.
desert ivy
This is a good place to start reading about the crafting system @flat carbon https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Crafting
flat carbon
ty
slow sky
@grave dirge yes subclass is 25