Corporate Blue Star Mission

[minor fossil]

The game has a big struggle with Blue Stars, to be honest, right?

Whats the issue with BLS? Not enough players playing it because they only do daily 3 ranked + whatever they need to get full daily currency reward.

Why?

Beyond the daily reward the only incentive to do BLS is the achievement to win 1000 for Crystal bonus, which most players complete before reaching BS6 (I did it before BS5) and then they just dont care about BLS beyond the daily currency reward and 3 ranked matches.

BUT! What if you added corporate blue star mission ? Red Star has a monthly event, white star is obviously corp related and Quantum stars is a bit unknown but probably corp related?

What we could have is 30 days (or 7 , 10 or 14 whichever you like but lets go with 30 for example) seasons with corps competing to have the most BLS star wins.

Lets say an average "active corp" has 25 players , you want all players to play at least 20 BLS per day to have a healthy BLS activity.

So lets make it 10 wins per day, multiplied by 25 active players in corp , 250 wins per day, that's 7500 per month.

7500 BLS wins per month could be the quota for a corp wide reward, could be crystals, currency or even another art bonus that lasts for next 30 days?

OR!

You could make it a ladder, the top 100 corps with most BLS win gets X crystals/currency/Art bonus (probably better to give away crystals to balance it).

Top 30 get X, top 10 y, top 3 z , kind of like Red Star event.

What you would get is a much healthier activity in Blue Stars.

The corps wouldn't join together (because what's the point of members playing together if only 1 can win.... so there's no win trading)

A better activity in BLS would allow brackets to be made for only BS 1, BS 2 ... BS 5, BS8 instead of mixing BS5-8 together.

Lower queue for BLS (probably below 30 seconds to find 4 players for any type of match).

You would have a higher activity of players spending time in the game playing.

And as a bonus if blue stars wins are counted instead of points like RS event you won’t have corps with 1-5 players getting into top 100, you will promote large communities working together to achieve a goal

[minor fossil]

Or the corp points could be bs points which would reward any bs ranking beyond 4th place

[royal veldt]

i agree we need smth fun ngl

but corp think is i donot want like the top corps still stay there we need to give lower level players corp a chance

[minor fossil]

That’s fair but what would top corp advantage be if only points are counted ? Or wins

[royal veldt]

if the bonus happens like take bso due to bonus tthey get half the points of rse with bls stuff they will still get it

[minor fossil]

It’s all about activity and not about bs level

If bs 1 or bs8 both get 12 points for a win , that’s good for lower corps

[royal veldt]

note : bls matching making ainot fair

[minor fossil]

Unless players join BSO to contribute BLS points (why would they?)

[royal veldt]

chinese(maybe japanese idk remoebr lol ) camp the leaderboard of bls

[minor fossil]

Why is it not fair ? And I don’t mean bs5 bs bs8

Why do bs 5 play vs bs 8 ?

[royal veldt]

what ya mean i didnot get the question?

[minor fossil]

You say blue star is not fair

[royal veldt]

its isnot fair cuz low players gets matched with whales

[minor fossil]

But why is it not fair ? Because bs 5 play vs 8 ?

[royal veldt]

blue star match making

[minor fossil]

Yes and why is the MMR like that ?

[royal veldt]

mmr?

[minor fossil]

Match making rating

[royal veldt]

like what?

[minor fossil]

Match making system if you prefer

[royal veldt]

so hear me out

[minor fossil]

Why is it necessary to have bs5 vs bs8 ?

[royal veldt]

according do this they get same point right

[minor fossil]

That’s the question if you offer

Prefer *

[royal veldt]

if your above statment is correct than why arenot there low level players on bls leaderboard they get the same points donot they

[royal veldt]

because its unfair and broken

(btw its bs7)

[minor fossil]

But why is it broken ? Why is the system like that necessary ?

[shadow pasture]

its not necessary

its just how it is

[minor fossil]

Well I kind of disagree, if you have a larger pool of players for same bracket the queue to find 3 other players for a match is faster

So how do you make the player pool larger ? Give rewards beyond 3 ranked per day

So instead of having players do 3-5 bls per day , you increase it to 15-25 per day

[shadow pasture]

and then bls is given too mcuh rewards

[shadow pasture]

dude 3-5 is wild

some people already do 15

[minor fossil]

The activity in bls increase by 500% and you make bs7 play only against bs7

[minor fossil]

For what ? Daily reward ?

[shadow pasture]

yeah

[minor fossil]

Who the hell need 15 bls to get 2 wins / 4 2nd place daily reward

[shadow pasture]

i match bs6/7 and lvl13+ mods daily, i barely scrape out 3rd or 2nd place

[minor fossil]

But anyway, increasing daily bls of players from 10-15 to 30-40 would be beneficial

[shadow pasture]

by doing that you need to decrease the credits/run as well

[minor fossil]

Because if more players are active it’s easier to match against same battleship level

[minor fossil]

You could also require more bls to attain daily reward

That’s another option yeah

[shadow pasture]

thats what i said

[minor fossil]

But that would likely cause backlash

Yeah I know

I was confirming your point sry not making my own

[shadow pasture]

i get the vibe that doubling the amount of time needed to spend on bls will make most unhappy

[minor fossil]

Exactly

But there could be an additional reward for those that want to play more

And it could be a corporate quota or corporate ranking for rewards

Hence my post

[shadow pasture]

what

[minor fossil]

And if only points are counted which are same at all levels , high level corp won’t have the edge

[shadow pasture]

so you make more people unhappy... and then add a benefit for only those that still play it

[minor fossil]

Oh my god

Did I say increase the amount of bls to get daily reward ?

No I have not.

[shadow pasture]

yes

what

[minor fossil]

Read what I said in the first post

I have not said to increase amount of bls for daily reward

[shadow pasture]

is this not making more bls to get the reward

[royal veldt]

true

[minor fossil]

Different reward and not individual , it’s a team contribution

Like WS is optional or RS event

[royal veldt]

bro hear me out

[minor fossil]

Everybody benefit , not every body has to do it

[shadow pasture]

so an event to temporarily make bls matchmaking better

[royal veldt]

u said its bls based on current matchmaking

current bls match making is broken

[minor fossil]

Read the initial post

[shadow pasture]

i did

[minor fossil]

I didn’t say 3 days bls event

[shadow pasture]

its still an event

hence temporary

[minor fossil]

Then where is this coming from

[royal veldt]

they havenot done it for main star why would they for an event

[minor fossil]

I never said temporary

[shadow pasture]

ok so not sinilar to rse or wse

[royal veldt]

even permanet its a event

and current macthmaking cannot support

[minor fossil]

Jesus Christ it can be rotating seasons like bls monthly seasons

[minor fossil]

Yeah but not 2 days or 3 per month

I never said that

[royal veldt]

bro thats ainot even the prob

the prob is bls match making

[minor fossil]

Exactly what im fixing with this suggestion

[quick wind]

i want to first see what is cooking in QS

[royal veldt]

what your fix is?

[minor fossil]

This suggestion

[royal veldt]

damn same names

[royal veldt]

like i mean repaeat the suggestion

[minor fossil]

Read it, I’m tired of explaining what I explained in first post over and over again

[quick wind]

might have ain corpBLS option later on

[minor fossil]

Increasing the amount of BLS players play = better match making

[quick wind]

wanted to be creative

[minor fossil]

And giving incentive to players to do more bls = better for MMR

[royal veldt]

like bro literally u donot see my name its there for a reason

[minor fossil]

What about your name ?

[quick wind]

not sure on that, its generally a bad gamemode i think. not sure why tho

[royal veldt]

some player alrdy spend 1hour daily whihc increasing player time to min max

some player cannot do more than 3 ranked matches

[minor fossil]

And ?

[royal veldt]

like some cannot even do 3 for rewards without getiing smoked

[quick wind]

wait,you CAN do more then 3???

[royal veldt]

by higher level

[minor fossil]

This wouldn’t force them to do more than 3 per day ?

[shadow pasture]

not ranked no

[royal veldt]

ye but not ranked for now

[royal veldt]

it will

player need to do more for more rewards

for more to minmax

[minor fossil]

For daily reward not

It’s like saying RS event is forcing players to do 30 RS

Is it ?

[royal veldt]

jobless lifeless persons will get this done

[royal veldt]

yes

[shadow pasture]

to compete yeah

[minor fossil]

Are you forced to play 30 rs during rs event ?

[shadow pasture]

but i understand your point

[minor fossil]

Exactly

So it’s optimal

[royal veldt]

depends onw hat rewards i want

[minor fossil]

Optional

Nobody is forced

[quick wind]

technically no, but an alternative system could incentivise joint drs amd not solo spamming

[royal veldt]

i need rewards to crystals stuff

[royal veldt]

like i mean all players who cannot solo say this 😂

jk lol

[minor fossil]

Exactly , so my suggestion is a BLS points ladder for corps with rewards

[royal veldt]

bro the players will be forced to push to rewards

[minor fossil]

And NOBODY would be forced by the game to do more than 3 BS per day more than they are forced to do 30 rs during rs event

[minor fossil]

By who ?

[royal veldt]

by the will of getting the rewards

like higher corps will impose limits

for a sit

[minor fossil]

So it’s optional ?

If you don’t have the time you don’t join a high level corp

[royal veldt]

it will be do bidding for rewards or no rewards

[minor fossil]

And ? What’s the problem with that ?

[royal veldt]

low level players

have u were seen a below r7 guy in top 10 corps of rs event

[minor fossil]

Why ? Low level players get less points from bls ?

[minor fossil]

Different point system

[royal veldt]

than why arenot there any low level players in bls leaderboard

[minor fossil]

You are mixing water lemon and strawberries

[minor fossil]

Because it’s only ranked points

Again you are mixing water melon strawberries and tomatoes now

[royal veldt]

... i amma leave it for others

[minor fossil]

Thank you

[quick wind]

its because the matchmaking is shit and low lvl players are either bulliedor are in tutorial phase (no ranked)

[minor fossil]

That’s true but there’s a reason the system need to be “broken”

[quick wind]

the only players on the leaderboard sub lvl700 are crazy good.
-# and i allways hit 600points

[minor fossil]

I also always hit 600 points, but the reason the match making is bad is because there’s not enough players pushing the scan button

If more players scan for bls then you can have better match making

[quick wind]

for why? so low players lose reason to play. sucking 1h to get the essential creidts? and now its rubbed in your face that you have to join a corp just to exist. as if there was any decent one that wellcomes starters

[royal veldt]

can we please stop corp advertise in this case it serious

[minor fossil]

Being in a corp is essential for WS and DRS

[royal veldt]

;P

[minor fossil]

So I don’t see why not for bls

[quick wind]

not sure on that. it palys in a lot, how the mod system and the way they are done (map, cerbs) is

[quick wind]

because you go in there solo

[minor fossil]

Okey, let’s say bls is limited to same bracket , so only bls 7 vs bls 7

You have 40 bls 7 scanning per hour

[royal veldt]

than u match lones

[minor fossil]

Which means an average queue is 6 mins

[quick wind]

i rather not getdragged down by my corpmates, just because they dont have the capacity for BLS on top of everything else

[minor fossil]

Or you add low / high and make it 2 mins by mixing

[royal veldt]

u cannot assume cuz they number arenot same

[minor fossil]

Why dragged down ?

[minor fossil]

It’s an example ?

[quick wind]

i push really hard for BLS. noone else

[royal veldt]

testing rocket lauch and take mathematically that air resistant is negligible

[quick wind]

if we add in corp, it means the ina tive ones have to be replaced with actives or we are not on top for the rewards

[minor fossil]

Do you know how match making works ?

[quick wind]

there is a reason why its not public but allways changes

[royal veldt]

if i had i would min max for maximum points

[quick wind]

or at least its possible to change it without notice

[minor fossil]

I do that all the time anyway ?

For ws and rs

[quick wind]

well, many dont

[minor fossil]

So you don’t know how match making work

[royal veldt]

what level is your corp?

[minor fossil]

Nothing to talk with you then

[minor fossil]

13 , in 2 days 14, what’s your point ?

[royal veldt]

no one knows except andrease leave the suggestion chat and talk to him on email

[royal veldt]

nothing

[minor fossil]

Common sense ?

If you have 40 players queueing for bls per hour and you need 4 per game

[royal veldt]

wow bls is command sense

comman*

[minor fossil]

How many bls can you do have per hour ?

[royal veldt]

well no one has it here

[minor fossil]

That’s literally math for 7 year old

[royal veldt]

and we ainot 7 years old

and what u doin on discord

[minor fossil]

Well I wonder at this point

[royal veldt]

like u 7 y

discord restricts to 13y

[minor fossil]

40/4 =10 which means 10 bls per hour

[quick wind]

why would i run that many? why would i try to gather everyone for that when ws is a challange also

[minor fossil]

How do you increase that ? You give incentive to players to do more bls

[minor fossil]

More bls run game wide = ability to have better match making

[quick wind]

or you replace the gamemode itslef, so its nore enjoyable and not just the bigger eats the smaller

[royal veldt]

they are exact same players re running not new players that freakin ws prob

[quick wind]

->burnout, game dies🐳🎉

[minor fossil]

So you would prefer to wait 1h for a bls game instead of playing 5 back to back ?

[royal veldt]

its alrdy died mate

[minor fossil]

That’s it I’m ignoring him

Not you diplo

Other guy

[royal veldt]

diplo block him i give u miners 280%

[quick wind]

what are you talking about??? enjoyable game->waiting??

[minor fossil]

I’m talking match making

[quick wind]

same search time, but less likely i get sniped by a tele15-pulse

[minor fossil]

If you have less players scanning then it takes more time to find a game with same player level

But if more players play the same level match making is possible

[quick wind]

and i talk anout, that rather then try to "fix" matchmaking, make the game itself enjoyable so there is no such thing as bad matchmaking

even with low player base

[minor fossil]

If you want better match making you get longer queue

Unless more players scan

[quick wind]

i dont want better matchmaking, i want to enjoy my free time while i watch a screen

[minor fossil]

So you are happy with the match making ?

[quick wind]

dont want to wait, and dont want to suffer cus said guy is scared i will tkae his little crown (4points difference bro...)

[quick wind]

matchmaking was "fixed" before and here we are

[minor fossil]

If you don’t want to wait then you accept to play against very different level of players

[minor fossil]

The player base is smaller right now?

That’s why it’s worse

Less players scanning = less good match making

[quick wind]

but the enviroment is different so its less about levels and more about skill or stg

[quick wind]

before, you coupd rig the matchmaking by using certain mods (i was somewhat good with it lol) now you cant do it, but low lvl players are still bullied

[minor fossil]

If you want to keep queue short and players fighting same level as them you need more players scanning

It’s that simple

[quick wind]

but i can summon MHGA and he will tell you the same less nicely XD

[quick wind]

i know its impossible, thats whythe whole BLS is either to be deleted or drastically changed. so the contrast between levels is not THIS great

[minor fossil]

No idea who mhga is

[minor fossil]

It’s not impossible

You need more players playing bls = better match making

[quick wind]

there is not enough players. amd you cant make players play more

[minor fossil]

Of course you can

That’s what rewards are for

[quick wind]

not in this game. they will just quit. many wont grind more on top of everything

[minor fossil]

So ppl are quitting because of RS event ?

[royal veldt]

😂 helpless little sdvd

[quick wind]

because its not rewarding enough. its boring, repetitve. stg you put people into to torture them

[minor fossil]

Never heard of players quitting because of rs event

[quick wind]

they quit before it

[quick wind]

they dont even try to do it

[royal veldt]

50% hs died after dn dropped

[minor fossil]

So they are not quitting because of a reward system

So bls supplementary reward won’t have players quitting

[royal veldt]

they quittin due to hustle to get rewards

playin 10hours staright per day ainot worth 1k crystals reward

[quick wind]

whatever. just dont make repetitive, boring content. which does not qualifies on RSEvent

the only reason i do the event, is because its trivial for me to get in the needed 100k points.

barely enough to get my corp into top100

[minor fossil]

My corp was 39th and nobody did more than like 320k points

I did like 140k or something

That’s 20 drs solo

[quick wind]

how many hours did you spent on it? did everybody join? your corp is the anomaly in that case

[minor fossil]

156k

That’s 12 drs

[quick wind]

did everyone say, "wow, rhis was fun, lets do this every weekend!"

[minor fossil]

8 mins per drs … 1h 40 mins ?

Nobody complained about 500 crystals 🤷

[quick wind]

i saw many dead/starter corps that have a somewhat active player base, have reguler WS and joind (D)RS, but cant compete with the top100, ever.

youre in one of the greatest corps looks like dont pretend everyone else can afford what you do

but i dont want to go into this kind of toxic talk of what i just started. have a good day!

[errant brook]

The issue is mainly that there is no variation to the current map in bluestar except for different asteroid placements and also ceberus variations. There is no map variation.
Its always just a circle, without any obstacles or interesting setups.

In my opinion, to make players want to play bluestar again, you gotta make bluestar fun. And that starts by changing bluestar in somewhat way or bringing new things.

If it was fun, you could indeed make players play more. Yet most people dont play bluestars for fun without rewards, since its just not fun.

and that ends up hurting the rest of the player base because it means the elites dont have enough players to play against, so they steal from the poor players

[quick wind]

i think the core concept of, making players fight eachother with whatever they bring from home is wrong. its just results in king vs peasant sets, like now

dam, that is a really long sentence

my stance is that either standardize the level of mods (L9-12-15) or change up the mod level progression so its more reasonable to put together the extremes (L15 vs L11 vs L8)

[errant brook]

Ofcourse since its a level based module game.
However if you think about pvp games such as league of legends that from all these years have been the same summoners rift map with some few tweaks. The difference is that people dont really get any crazy rewards from it. They play the game because they feel its fun, either ranked or normals.
One of the biggest games in the world even with such small changes in its core gameplay.

Playing for hours ontop of hours.

Why? because its a balanced game that have lots of options and variety based on the map, champions, items, builds, summoner spells. That doesnt make it boring. Its also teambased which makes it much more fun. Wouldn't really be the same game today if it was not built on these core structures.

Players usually just run with the same builds here, and throwing variety out the window. Because the other options really are not viable when you keep on matching.

Hopefully quantum system fixes modules, however about bluestar, the variety and matchmaking is lacking.

[quick wind]

but having new shiny maps and challanges wont fix the problem. its a pvp game afterall. giving extra pve elements in a pvp mode?

[quick wind]

+your example is LOL, so whatever you say must be wrong XD

-# *i somewhat get your point, and no, you miss some importsnt parts of the puzzle

"wow, this cake tastes bad... what if we add mire decoration!?"

[royal veldt]

ye whynot?

atleast it looks good

[errant brook]

Its not the main problem, but also an important problem, if you dont agree with that. Then how would you make bluestar appealing for everyone outside of the same core that have been around since the start of the game?
Bluestar can start fun, but it gets boring quick even if you win. Its just the same thing you try to survive until the end. Even in the old module system, most players did not play more than their rewards rewarded them.

Bluestar is not only about ranked. You can also search unranked. However you will get into the same problem there.

[quick wind]

true🤔, getting jumped by tele15-pulse is still a big issue. on top of the dumb challanges

[eager void]

The big struggle is that the devs are set on rewarding and incentivizing late game whales and tech progression as a whole. By giving an unfair advantage to endgame whales, modules like pulse for example that are just made with no consideration for counterplay. They could match people far more fairly, make counterable mods, or equal everyones modules, but they don't so that whales are rewarded for their loyalty to king andreas.

The second issue is, the BLS leaderboard can't work. But we're still holding onto it, Even when there's players massively exploiting it, and the system of ranked matches incentivizes the matchmaker to make inadequate and unfair matches of 4 players per lobby when often a single player with a high tech disparity is added instead of letting 3 or 2 players match who are actually close in level.

The third issue is the imbalanced nature of modules, which the system doesn't even seem to recognize. For one thing, just from observation, something like solitude 11 is worth as much as something like vengeance 11, which makes no sense