Corp creation cost

[lavish wasp]

Basically, increase the cost of creating a corp.

Why ?

1. Right now* there’s too many random corps created by lower players that don’t ever take off the ground because they think it’s easy.
2. The cost to create compared to upgrading corp ship is very very disproportionate.
3. Less corps in general will have players focus more on established corps instead of playing the game in first gear and quitting because it’s even slower than it should be because they are in some level 20 player dead corp.

[charred lichen]

i agree with this.
too many players just starting are immature enough to start a new corp and hope this is like Minecraft where children randomly join.

then these new players they get are basically wasted because they are not cared for by the kids starting corps like this.
they might have stayed with the game if they joined a corp that has experienced people or conglomerates with mentoring programs. but the newbie corps don't know what to do with them and they move on.

stop children from making corps!

[proper glen]

Mandatory id verification for corp creation!

[lavish wasp]

If you make corp creation cost 4m you would see a lot less dead corps , even 2-3m is okey but 4m cost ? A lot higher standard of average corps

Okey 4m would cause a lot of players to be corp less but 1.5m or 2m should be fine

[meager isle]

Also, make easier to clean the universe

[proven token]

I think that corps that are level 10 or lower should be displayed in a different colour, and corps that are level 3 or lower should have an icon next to their names.

This will stop the white star cheating that was discovered where a corp created a bunch of clone corps of well known corporations, to disguise the match fixing they were doing.

Also, html codes should not be allowed in corp names

[lavish wasp]

My focus is to increase the quality of average corp and the benefit of that is having more players condensed into good corps instead of being spread out in dead corps.

That's an especially big issue with low quality corps where majority of players join when they just start the game.

Changing the corp color or adding an icon wont mean much to players new to the game, they will join the first corp that invite them.

If the first corp that invite them is a corp created by a level 15 player that started playing 48h ago, that's the corp he will join no matter the corp icon or colors.

Now if the creation of a corp require a substancial game experience before hand, like 1.5m currency cost or even 2m, 99% of players creating a corp will know what managing a corp is like because they have been in one before, which will increase the standards of newly created corps.

What would probably also happen is more "big corps" making "baby corps" as training ground for main corp but that's also fine because then fresh players will have mentor programs for fresh players and fresh players will get a better first impression of the game.

[charred lichen]

i agree with this reasoning ^ also my experience

[proven token]

I don't think there is much of in issue with corp creation at the lower end other than the fake corps.

The bigger issue are the existing dead corps littering the top of the leaderboard due to the fact old WS xp gains were wildly larger than current xp gains.

The only issue with many new corps is that some players may not integrate into the game, but many people play MMOs just to hang out with their friends and have no interest in that and at least giving those players an avenue into the game so they can be blue star fodder means that these game modes are starved even more of participants.

That being said, I think that the game does need to evolve the corporation structure, probably formalising alliances, creating an umbrella group for the mega corps to organise.

Probably also allow people to have two corp memberships slots, one as their permanent family and another for their "current membership"

While it's not how the corporation system was originally intended (Andreas originally didn't want people to be able to corp hop for bonus and Dark Nebula originally had a requirement during early access that prevented it) - the reality is that players will always play this way and the reason it was reinstated is because of the backlash

[charred lichen]

maybe you need to look at what's going on at low corps and how they waste new players

[proven token]

The umbrella system could be used to sponsor junior corporations, but I don't think that raising the cost to 4 million is going to achieve much. To a d11 player 4 million barely registers as a quantity of money, you are just kicking the can up the road, but at the same time stopping smaller players from ever being able to create a corporation

[lavish wasp]

the whole fake/clone corps abuse and what not is a different topic in my opinion, this is about creating corps not abusing game mechanics

[proven token]

Maybe read all of my post

[lavish wasp]

oh god... tha'ts how drama start.... c you later

[proven token]

I literally mention that the current system does have the problem of players failing to integrate into the game

[lavish wasp]

that we agree on

[proven token]

I just say that raising the cost will have other impacts on the game

[proven token]

What I should, perhaps, have explained better

[lavish wasp]

Yes, mostly positive and the cost must be reasonable otherwise there will be too many players without any corps

[proven token]

Is that when I said "level 1-3" get a icon and level 10 and under get a different colour

Is that these could be renamed to be different things

[lavish wasp]

but its also not too bad to be corp less for the first few days, corp is not critical for the first few days of the game

[proven token]

So what is currently a level 1 to 3 corp is just a "gang" or "friend group" or whatever

That can evolve into a team (level 4-10)

And becomes a corporation at level 11

[lavish wasp]

I dont have numbers but I invite devs to look into the amount of corps with 1-3 players, or the average amount of members across all corps? I am pretty sure an average corp is only 3-5 members if you look at the whole corp list

and that means there's too many corps

[proven token]

The game could even require gangs to merge with another gang to make a team

Or be absorbed into an existing team

And teams to merge to create a corporation

[lavish wasp]

I worked with Devs as a moderator in a different game, you dont want to give over complicated ideas to Devs

[proven token]

Just raising the cost to some arbitrarily large number isn't going to stop the existing problem, but it will create new problems

[charred lichen]

yes, you are changing the subject to fake corps and things that interest you and dismiss recruitment of new players in poorly led newbie corps as something unimportant. that's completely off topic.

[lavish wasp]

keep it simple, changing corp creation cost is more of a discussion than dev work, for devs implementing it is childs play, making umbrella system, merge tool and being the member of 2 corps at once? Lots of work

[proven token]

I mentioned that only in my first post. Read my other posts and I have not mentioned it since.

If you can't be bothered to read what I am writing I will stop listening to you again forever

[lavish wasp]

Oh right, another idea, making a corp can stay 20k but you limit the amount of members to 5 , upgrading to 20 would cost 2m

kind of like corp ship upgrade

can be less than 5, if you want corps for "small private group of friends"

[lean tangle]

Make it cost credits and have the credit limit be high enough where like you have to be rs7+ or something. But idk if thats really a fair idea😂

[proven token]

Yes this is what I meant

[lavish wasp]

Any $$ payment in the game should be optional and not be mandatory to play the game

[lean tangle]

All the $ options are optional not mandatory

[proven token]

But I think that long term this would further be improved by allowing teams to merge

But that isn't necessary to begin with for the first iteration

[lean tangle]

Definitely dont make corps cost $ 😂

[proven token]

Would in the the "nice to have"

[lavish wasp]

well perhaps you didn't mean crystals but "credit" for me is $$

[lean tangle]

Crystals can be gained for free I thought you meant like 4.99 purchase to unlock your corp 😂

But even if it is a crystals number you can just buy it. You cant buy your credit cap thats why I said credit cap limited

[lavish wasp]

maybe it could cost crystals to make a corp since they can be gotten for free but again you could have 48h old accounts making corps

currency cap = mandatory experience

[lean tangle]

Well yeah you want people to play the game

[lavish wasp]

What I suggest is having more experienced players create corps instead of random players with near no experience at all

[lean tangle]

So do rs10 credit cap 😂

[lavish wasp]

too high, then you would have too many players without a corp because of the corp member limit

it has to be balanced

[lean tangle]

Either way the higher lvl corps already have all the advantages

[proven token]

What about this:

$10k to create a hangout (max 10 players, with one white star scanner and up to level 5 flag

$4 million to create a corporation (second white star scanner)

And you can pay $3 million to convert a maxed out hangout to a corporation (so it will have to have reached 1000 corp xp or something)

[lavish wasp]

there are some "private" corps with 2-3 friends and that's fine for 20k creation cost but anything larger should already cost a lot more, that's my view, 10 players or 20 players initial cap wont change much

[proven token]

This would communicate to the players who are just making throway teams for their friends to hang out in that there is a benefit to having a corporatiom

And the UI could also include a note to suggest that it's advised to seek out an existing corporation to join

[lavish wasp]

that could be a warning notification when creating a corp (never created a corp so can't say if there's one already) but that could be a notification to get before creating one

again, that's a simple thing to do/add, low dev work

[fresh token]

I actually like this idea, we can expand upon it because current corporation/alliance structures are pretty bland

[lavish wasp]

One the ideas that I had from this discussion is that the corp creation stay at 20k but with a limit of 3 maybe 5 members and then upgrading to 20 members cost 2m (or less or more)

That way “private corp” or small group of players wanting privacy stay cheap but anything larger requires much more

[fresh token]

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