Weapons with “target switch delay”

[floral fossil]

Suggestion to modify the operation of weapon modules that have Target Switch Delay so that the delay only applies to switching targets and no longer to initial engagement as well.

Unlike the initial setup delay for a drone/turret type weapon, there is no reason for a BS weapon not to already be armed and locked onto a target by the time it comes within range.

In contrast (now that I think of it) … introducing a delay for ships that have just teleported (or been teleported to) would make sense.

[golden phoenix]

what

i think you misunderstand TSD

after the target of the weapon is null (out of range or dead) the weapon starts a timer, and in the time that timer is < the time TSD lasts, it cannot shoot

afterwards, it can attack as soon as a new target is in range

also: #1351700941145112677 message

[floral fossil]

Quite possibly.
So the delay in Barrage’s initial engagement is not part of a blanket delay in switching/engaging targets then?

[golden phoenix]

there is no delay in engaging, there is a period after taking the target off of something (by range or killing it) where there is no damage being dealt

so if you just wait 2s then barrage will start shooting instantly if you walk up to say a sentinel

[floral fossil]

But waiting 2 seconds is a delay? A huge one in WS

[golden phoenix]

ah i see i misunderstood

[golden phoenix]

in that case this is the relevant thread

ig i misread your post :p

[floral fossil]

No worries 😂

I’m still not sure whether that delay is part of the target switch delay programming though, hence why the post is titled as is

[golden phoenix]

it is, there is no other delay

[sleek charm]

There is a delay when you switch targets. 2s/20m (bls or rs vs WS). or 3s/30m for chain ray.

If you aren't switch targets it firest instantly. If it's the 2nd target then you have to wait.

[floral fossil]

Measure it.
Go to a WS and measure it.
For Barrage there is a 20min delay between initial contact and the enemy ship beginning to take damage.

[sleek charm]

I use chain Ray, same mechanic but even longer TSD. It does damage at same rate as any other weapon upon first contact, as long as I wasn't firing at something else within 30m before.

Now if you're saying barrage has a bug....

That would be a bug report, not a suggestion

[floral fossil]

I’m not convinced it is a bug. Comparing Barrage, CR, and MB in WS - MB instantly causes damage on initial contact, the others have a delay in causing damage on initial contact that roughly matches their target switch delay length.

[golden phoenix]

thats not intentional

unless you just prior had a target, there shouldnt be a delay on first contact

for example, if you've never been in combat, you shouldnt have any delays at all until after you go out of range or kill your target

[floral fossil]

If it’s not intentional, then as Amanda bar says, it’s a bug. But I’m just a player, so I can’t speak for what is or isn’t intentional, I can only state what I’m seeing; so this thread is saying that I’m seeing an initial delay that appears to match the target switch delay.

If it’s a bug, then this thread should probably be linked in a bug report

[golden phoenix]

could you show an example video?

[floral fossil]

Are you guys not seeing it then?

[golden phoenix]

i havent used any tsd weapons

and im too lazy to test rn :p

[floral fossil]

It might be a really clunky time ref. if I take it from a WS playback. I’ll see what I can do.

[sleek charm]

Here is CR, instantly firing on a target when it comes in range 33hrs ago in our WS

Timing of interceptor taking damage.

35.6hr ago first firing, taking damage at 35.6.

Generally it takes 4m for damage to apply once firing occurs from any weapon, about .1 hour (.1=6m)

CR TSD is 30m in a WS. That is .5 hours. Clearly not what occurred

[stuck flicker]

the target switch delay is a raw nerf just for balancing, but theres no additional benefit that you'd play these modules for that would be worth the switch delay

[floral fossil]

lol … yeah I’m struggling to video what I saw the other day AND I’m getting replays with instant damage, even on one of the specific occasions where I was definitely seeing a delay in TM. So that leaves me wondering if it actually is a bug instead, or maybe even just the glitchiness of TM.