Suggestions for Alpha shield change

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1. Phasing Shield
   • Effect: Grants short periods of invulnerability (e.g., 1 second every 3 seconds) while active.
   • Purpose: Balances defense by allowing some damage to bypass during downtime.

2. Collateral Field
   • Effect: Absorbs 75% of damage taken and disperses 25% of it to nearby friendly ships as minor damage.
   • Purpose: Encourages teamwork and sacrifices some durability for group support. (Lvl 15) bls would be those in range take damage like mirror but maybe after shield deactivates it's like a mini vengeance

3. Flux Shield
   • Effect: Absorbs % damage based on available health reserves; the shield’s strength diminishes as health is depleted.
   • Purpose: Links shield effectiveness to bs health management, creating tactical depth, and allows repair drone

4. Dissipation Shield
   • Effect: Absorbs a percentage of incoming damage but causes the battleship to take reduced damage over time after the shield expires.
   • Purpose: Balances survival by spreading damage across a longer duration.

5. Resilient Shield
   • Effect: Activates automatically when hull health drops below a certain percentage, absorbing a fixed amount of damage before shutting off.
   • Purpose: Acts as a "last resort" shield, especially useful in prolonged battles but not abusable for continuous defense.

6. Energy Leech Shield
   • Effect: Absorbs a portion of incoming attacks and converts it into temporary health boost for the battleship after shield shutting off 8,000 -> 10,000 depending on damage after shield is off
   • Purpose: Supports offensive builds by rewarding strategic timing of shield activations during heavy barrages.

[fading saddle]

a simple one could just be
it lasts 5 seconds but every upgrade lowers cooldown

[analog trail]

I'm just sick of immortal battleships. If it's so simple why hasn't it been done?

But also 5 seconds sucks

Lol

It is the first shield so #2 is out unless you swap regen

But #2 could also be useful at a low level

#6 might help too with smurfs at lower level, if they repair, even re activate

But then they could smurf that shield xD

[pallid narwhal]

I actually think the https://discord.com/channels/255083954036670464/1260524314113867786 is a good way to balance it

[analog trail]

But alpha is pretty 1 sided on how it is used? Who uses other than for vengeance. Or to be protected by vengeance, destint

The only good reason is for explosions damage because it is highest? Maybe for wamp or ws solitude mode

That's why I tried keeping it a % amount of damage not numbers for most. Motion is a percent, but you have to move. #3 is similar to that but has to be activated and has cooldown, so you could use it like low health, shield, repair. #5 can't be activated like motion shield but only activates low health to protect you from dying only basically and doesn't have a time limit and resets with repair like vengeance

[warm dome]

Maybe oneshot modules are a problem and alpha nerf will make them even stronger?

Or other shields aren't meant for pvp, coz ppl use oneshot mods there mostly 🤔

[analog trail]

However, if you use omega shield with vengeance there's a chance you can produce enough damage to not have vengeance go off

Nerfing vengeance will make the RS builds un usable

Unless only nerfing for pvp

The point of vengeance is you are wasting your health, so that's why it gives most damage. However we have repair drone now in DN before we had salvage but was a different use. You had to destroy something in order to heal, repair is more and easier to use

With #1 shield you have an attempt to destroy with the shield flashing on an off but still giving immortality

Vengeance imo shouldn't be changed because of what it is same for destiny half the time you tele out of the circle. White star little different

Because also Vengeance is not always a win win, especially if alpha is not what it is

I'd be fine with the 5 second long cooldown. But what is the point in that shield? For low levels practicing timing?

[warm dome]

Before you continue this thought, every mod can have dufferebt stats in every game mode. And vengeance isn't the only oneshot mod, it is pretty much everything, that doing insta dmg

[analog trail]

Leap yes but you can literally just move out of the way

The inly time I die from leap is if I think it's tele and I use barrier 😅😀

[warm dome]

Then, if it will be buffed and you die from it, you will want to change alpha againg? 🤔

[analog trail]

In final circle I guess but that's when you attack the dude with leap

Yes I have never used alpha

I have but, with #1 shield you could time activation so you don't take damage at all this just adds a fail safe to just sitting in middle circle trying to activate vengeance maybe

[warm dome]

Oh, that is explains a lot...

[analog trail]

There are other better options than just a solid immortal shield, because people will level that to level 15 and only use that

Which good for them

Because alpha probably won't be change, again I offer suggestions only 😄

Look at white star time for level 15.. 6 hours 20 mins is insane

But you have to pay for it ig

Tbh everyone should level it to 15 imagine an entire ws team with that xD

[warm dome]

That is true, but need a good alternative or all mods rebalance, coz at lvl 10-12+ you either get oneshotted or use alpha

[analog trail]

Again #1 allows for immortal one shots, #2 could as well depending on if ws and how many teamtes are around you

[warm dome]

Maybe playing with it helps will help you to come up with better idea 🤔

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#2 would disperse all of the damage throughout teamates reducing total load but maximizing damage on the activated bs so it's not ally shield, but pretty close 75% is higher than ally shield because you are splitting the damage received not taking down a number

Mix with repair and 2 of those shields you good

[analog trail]

So all the mods are the problem but the shield strength is not? For all shields haha

Like if mirror had more strength it could counter leap maybe, by mirroring damage before leap activates

You cannot counter alpha/vengeance when alpha is activated, bond, or alpha but then you both tie for 2nd xD

You can rocket drone to force alpha before

[warm dome]

Did I say that? I don't think so.

Tbh your suggestions sounds like "Pls fix everything that I don't play and what beat the build I run"

[analog trail]

I have 1 suggestion about changing modules (at least rn)

The other suggestions are, ship cosmetics and a new game mode. Which (I definitely play all game modes)

Just not with alpha shield because I'm not level 1

XD

I enjoy the stress

[warm dome]

Maybe you don't just wait till it happen and counter it? It is hard to do, coz of new barrier will rip your face, but better than wait the final circle. (Fyi I play antiveng build rather than veng, so I'm not protecting my op build or smth"

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I literally just wait until the unleash vengeance and tele behind it. If final circle 2nds the best 1st is the worst anyway

Just go for them first, activate it tele away ( for bls, this not possible in ws)

I'm saying what is the point of an immortal shield, changing it would develop a different playstyle in general, or max level never hits the time it takes to activate vengeance, maybe have destiny be the top once again. But this doesn't change the fact that end game WS is just all alpha shield lvl 15? Why would you not do that?

I'm fast af boyyy lol

I don't see how the suggestions I laid out would make it stronger than it is now (at least) #6 yes for smurfs.. but has a chance to help lower levels

Alpha now has a chance to help lower players, but has a higher long term "abuse" in end game, game modes.. so to say. Same with #6 😀😅

Also we have blast shield for ws vengeance destiny.. soo

Which at lvl 15 has 20,000 strength

[analog trail]

I have alpha level 10 I'm not saying like don't use it. Definitely use it and abuse the system, if it wasnt imortal vengeance wouldnt be an issue as much👍

[warm dome]

So you use it or you don’t? 😅

What abuse do you mean, could you explain? Is alpha itself is abuse or in combination with other mods like veng?

Do you think your suggestions will make veng less powerful? (Spoiler: it will become more op)

Did you check other high lvl mods’ stats, aside from alpha shield? What lvl of mods do you play?

[fading saddle]

more like "What lvl of mods do we fight against?"
its the high kind

where alpha is not being used to abuse how its intended to be used.
But instead it abuses how other mods can be ab-used with it to increase or multiply the effect of something that is considered overpowered.
something along the lines of 'surviving oneshot scenarios' and 'being able to guarantee oneshot scenarios' and 'allowing another oneshot scenario to occur with a mediocre cooldown'
and oneshotting multiple targets ontop of the prior lines'
thats just for bls

[warm dome]

Btw, if the veng is removed from bls or activation time or/and cd is increased, maybe >bls duration, so it can be used only once. Will alpha still be a “problem” here? 🤔

[oak fiber]

Or make blast shield good enough

[analog trail]

You can upgrade things without using them

Like shipment drone xD

I use that for objectives tho

I lied I have used alpha when it was the only shield I have. My vengeance is level 5 or 6, destiny is like level 2

The only way I would use alpha is to cheese into defense in white star but I do not

Other corp members will lol

If everyone in my corp decided to, then I would as well to abuse the system

Or like all but 2. Because then if all of you stack either in tele or they have no barrier you will over take the sector no matter what

leaving only alpha players remaining

Making alpha a shield always used for cheese

[shrewd lava]

Alpha in drs seems balanced but pvp is way op. Anytime you have infinite hp it’s bad game design. It should have similar levels of damage reduction to motion without the need to move but short duration

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My point is.. what happens to ws when people find out it's maximum level or well choose to upgrade close to that

The people know already haha

I think eventually everyone will just be using that, and it will become a tedious game of who can activate what first which.. is basically this game already so idk if it really matters hahah but to me why is the first shield we get an invincibility cloak if upgraded well

Another thing, if it was a good idea and no changes are made. Lone BS should spawn with a alpha shield then and rue the day for all

I'm team cerb and lone bs now

[shrewd lava]

I think barrier damage ignoring shields but being way reduced would help with the alpha problem too

[analog trail]

Or make alpha protect completely from weapon mods and combat modules is reduced %

Same drone should be reduced %

Rocket drone should damage it

Not even damage shield but damage hp, with % reduction

Have suspend still help alpha reduction

[analog trail]

And switch unlock slot for regen/omega (more omega so more people upgrade it sooner, it has more hp than regen in RS high level) because imo it still doesn't seam like a 1st shield.. ||to each their own||

[warm dome]

It is only with veng, if you exude alpha shield, veng is still op, if you exclude veng, alpha is ok

[shrewd lava]

I feel the complete opposite.

Alpha is op veng is ignorable

[warm dome]

Op playing in low lvl sandbox and think he can beat veng, if not alpha, maybe it works like this at low lvls.

In high lvl bracket 12+, you can do nothing to veng, coz of barrier(op, check duration and dmg), you can’t engage via tele w/o losing the most, if not all your hp, you can’t approach as is, coz of barrier effect.

When op will get there, he will cry to return alpha shield again

[shrewd lava]

Regen shield can tank barrier np I do it every day

[warm dome]

Ok you are in, you lost your hp, what next? He just shoot you, coz you lost hp or dest(believe me it will be mandatory mod for every veng to prevent engagements like this). So jumping in such bs will be autolose

It is already, except you stomping lower lvl opponents

[shrewd lava]

Generally I destiny on landing or get them to pop shield early to stop my rocket. It works fairly well. See a lot of veng alpha with no destiny

Or fake leap to spook mods then actually attack when they on cd

[warm dome]

It won’t work with the opponent, who have >1 brain cell

[shrewd lava]

Yes it does

Not 100% of the time but it does work

[warm dome]

They don’t use barrier at least, it tells a lot of your opponent

[shrewd lava]

And my point is without alpha they are just dead. Veng does nothing

[warm dome]

Using alpha over barrier is stupid move

[shrewd lava]

They do both

[analog trail]

I usually die because of barrier damage and the time it take on mobile to press a button and deploy

[shrewd lava]

People panic

[analog trail]

You can tele first wait until finally second and bond out

They can't react fast enough if done correctly

Unless they are really f*** smart

Iq 10000

Can that be the image gif for bond? The repair at the end is like 🥲🤭

[warm dome]

Bro, once again, you most likely meet low lvl noobs, your leap can take offguard only noobs, who can’t just press tele and barrier

[shrewd lava]

If you say so

[analog trail]

I'm off like 6 diet sodas right now so little l o c o

[shrewd lava]

Meet me in bls 🤺

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I think I'd have to upgrade mods more

[warm dome]

Show me a replay how you win any bs7 lvl12-13 dude with meta veng build with it

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Like I just did

He had lvl 12 vengeance and alpha and destiny

Lol

[shrewd lava]

I’m currently 4:7:2 against bs7 but no vids I kept

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Sorry 11 alpha

I survived 12 barrier for that 1 to save the others o7 LONE BS FOR LIFE

[warm dome]

Not just bs7, with meta build, which is now - barrier13, tele13+, veng, bond 12+. Your build mathematically won’t hurt it 1v1 whatever you do

[analog trail]

This is cheese because of barrier and my inability to appropriately use repair

Also I'm not using alpha

If I had alpha I would have had full health

my point proven again

[shrewd lava]

Is it fair to compare me to someone with nearly 3x my cap?

[analog trail]

always

Bls match making by credit cap suggestion change

[shrewd lava]

2.3x*

[warm dome]

Well, op mentioning lvl15 alpha when it suits him, why should we discuss a sandbox here?

[analog trail]

Lmao not really get alpha outta here meaning not changing suggestion again

[warm dome]

My point was at high lvls there are another rules and veng is more stronger without alpha

If nobody will have it

[shrewd lava]

I have never once seen a veng ship win bls without alpha

[analog trail]

Also even if the meta build is metaing.. The Ham bond is unbreakable

[warm dome]

#1313700770058604615 message duh

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I'm like Mohammed Alli with bond tele. But I just told you my secret so imma change my name

Sometime omega which tbf I would use omega over alpha but I've spent time upgrading other things

[shrewd lava]

I think generally speaking we should look at leveled 11-14 for most balancing

[warm dome]

It is a discussion about “alpha is op”, of course I mean veng is stronger at high tier, if nobody will have alpha

[analog trail]

I don't think so

[warm dome]

At least would be nice to consider it along with lower lvls, which op have ‘t done

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RL be a huge fan

Maybe I think that would be reduced % it's explosive

[warm dome]

I’m not surprised, do you know the duration and damage of barrier 13-15?

Cd of tele 14-15?

Duration of bond 13+?

You will never approach a decent veng player who have it

[analog trail]

You would be in a stale mate and would have to execute all members of your team to manage to use all planets and maybe all hydro

Leading to a very highly anxiously awaited game mode

[shrewd lava]

I have not seen 14s in bls outside of mysel

[warm dome]

They ate are plenty, me, for example

[analog trail]

Cuz you can bond the barrier and bond the bond but you run out of f** sh** eventually (and time) so maybe it would force some real gameplay on the outsides of ws at least. Insides would be all highest levels battling it out in a frozen mess

People with Mirror maxed would be just waiting

Maybe idk really oj that

[warm dome]

As I thought, you have 0 valid arguments and experience

[analog trail]

Well you would need to change strategy eventually all ai see on the ws list is bond barrier entanglement

With vengeances of doom lol

[warm dome]

Strategy of what bruh?

[analog trail]

If alpha were changed

You probably wouldn't just be able to tele into anything, activate vengeance beforr and destroy all which is what blast is for, but easily cycleable when all teamates do it. You could just cycle that with everyone ya know

[warm dome]

Oh, now we talk about low lvl ws? How come?

[analog trail]

Have every single teamate with tele, alpha vengeance. Activate vengeance and tele bomb that

We have 1 teamate that does it every time but we have 4 people playing so when they come back they are like beez

And VERY f** angry

I been playing this game for like 8 years so I been around the ws for a min. My 1st acc I lost

Idk probably 6 lmao

[warm dome]

Tell me honestly, how often you have an opportunity to preactivate the veng in ws? Coz otherwise it is unusable, coz of barriers at any decent lvls

[analog trail]

Every single time if that's your plan

You can use bond

[warm dome]

Are you in ws now?

[analog trail]

Send Phoenix to teamate

Or colossal wamp

Cerb wamp

Whatever you want

[warm dome]

Yeah this is very nice, not that every opponent will allow this shit to happen

[analog trail]

Cycle for the first half

You could use any cerbs

Barrier and have them huddle wamp it

But colossal works we bonded Phoenix and 2 had the dual that time

Repair right at a certain time for 8 hr

Had a low level on the other dual

[warm dome]

I know, any decent opponent will nuke this cerb when he see you pulling it, can I see a replay in your corp

[analog trail]

I'll send replay

We did immolation

Lol

Really fooled em

Iq 5

I watch replay for 1st time.. they actually look like bees... so angry 😠 we are 4 people what do you want from us

[warm dome]

I could watch it from the corp replays, much faster than record one

wanna see the lvls of the teams mostly

[analog trail]

1st of never said they were good, they also had level 10 blast shield that was never set in tm 😀

We are lvl 9

They set ally shield instead

Maybe an alt and messed up while sleepy

Also we are going to loose because we have 4 people and the angry bees, .. well turned into hornets

Why we have 4 people is beyond me

I think they are lvl 10

Nope we are 9

They have higher fs

[warm dome]

So I can’t see a replay from your corp?

There is full random nonsense can happen in low lvl ws, you can’t balance the mods only for them, as well as bls, ws are playing by different rules at high tiers.

[analog trail]

Maybe if you join and look at history

[warm dome]

I wish I know it’s name 😅

[analog trail]

You can just see all history right?

Don't have to join

I don't remember

[warm dome]

The name of your corp? I see 😂

[warm dome]

Only very recent

[analog trail]

Nahhhhhhhh

Lol

Half are non existent atm, half of that was recent

Also we don't even really ws much recent ||dead corp||

Like DN recent

All the members came from 2nd//ave//Junkie and left me alone to ham DN update

We do ws but barley full player match

Soooo we just mess around hoping for wins here and there now

That's why I say.. lone bs forever

if I could I would homie all of our recent in history are 💩

But I will say we only attack with vengeance and alpha lmao I think

[warm dome]

Actually not that many, but full combat lvl13 are not rare at at all, I have only tele and soli lvl14 myself so far.

That doesn’t mean there will never be 14-15 mods and they shouldn’t be considered for any balanced change.

[shrewd lava]

I agree I’m just saying most players don’t understand their power because they haven’t seen them.

[warm dome]

That is true

[shrewd lava]

But I also think after 50k prints youv earned a little power

Where as other mods are super strong right from the start like alpha

Or suspend

[analog trail]

Other than ||Garmoncia|| he's Russian.. literally rush in.. ahh shouldn't have said the name

& he calls me good ham so yeah.. I stick around

Pretty sure it's Putin at this point but 🤷‍♂️

[warm dome]

Yeah and some mods are scaling very well at lvl15, teleport is one of them, both cd and range. Barrier gets a decent dmg buff

[shrewd lava]

Tele 14 is a game changer for sure. I love it

Sol and leap are lack luster

[warm dome]

Yeah, as I suspected this is not high tier ws, so veng could reliably work here still 😅

[analog trail]

Yes well I told you I am the highest level in the corp 😂

[warm dome]

In bls yeah, you either oneshot or do no harm with 12+ leap, ppl don’t invest much in passive or omega shields

[analog trail]

Now I'm trying to figure out what levels I'd be at if I never lost the acc 🤣

[dusk mirage]

Ham I have one big question thou.
How da hell would you break a CR nest without alpha Veng.
Don't say using your own CR cause more corps starting to climb the ladder will take time to upgrade that stuff let alone get the prints.
👁️👁️👁️ Unless you have a strat plz... Let us know

Cause most corps *

[analog trail]

Out score and out CR nest them

1. have everyone with rocket drone so after the barrier wore off they go boom like cataclysm because I'm assuming no cataclysm

2. While doing that either delta and omega rocket or both omega moves very slow though

Delta passes through tho so maybe omega with rocket drone so they take aim on the rockets. Hoping target delay doesn't hit omega

You could rotate fire with destiny so 1 goes in times death with destiny to remove you from barriers hold, then just 1 by 1. Also the entire time all of these are happening you need dispatch firing (keep solitude maybe but you said no CR) DAAAAAA

Mentally prepare for loss. Emotionally prepare for war

[analog trail]

Also #1 you could time in time machine to help you in this suggestion

You just wouldn't be invincible completely after you tele

So your question is dumb I'm sorry you didn't read the shields

You are not reading my suggestions only coming at me with non sense read #1 shield that would be bls time not ws:

1. Phasing Shield
   • Effect: Grants short periods of invulnerability (e.g., 1 second every 3 seconds) while active.
   • Purpose: Balances defense by allowing some damage to bypass during downtime.

2. Collateral Field
   • Effect: Absorbs 75% of damage taken and disperses 25% of it to nearby friendly ships as minor damage.
   • Purpose: Encourages teamwork and sacrifices some durability for group support. (Lvl 15) bls would be those in range take damage like mirror but maybe after shield deactivates it's like a mini vengeance

3. Flux Shield
   • Effect: Absorbs % damage based on available health reserves; the shield’s strength diminishes as health is depleted.
   • Purpose: Links shield effectiveness to bs health management, creating tactical depth, and allows repair drone

4. Dissipation Shield
   • Effect: Absorbs a percentage of incoming damage but causes the battleship to take reduced damage over time after the shield expires.
   • Purpose: Balances survival by spreading damage across a longer duration.

5. Resilient Shield
   • Effect: Activates automatically when hull health drops below a certain percentage, absorbing a fixed amount of damage before shutting off.
   • Purpose: Acts as a "last resort" shield, especially useful in prolonged battles but not abusable for continuous defense.

6. Energy Leech Shield
   • Effect: Absorbs a portion of incoming attacks and converts it into temporary health boost for the battleship after shield shutting off 8,000 -> 10,000 depending on damage after shield is off
   • Purpose: Supports offensive builds by rewarding strategic timing of shield activations during heavy barrages.

You still have invincibility you just not fullllllll send the whole time

Angry Ham

I'm not naming the shield either it would still be called alpha the names help describe better

You would still have you alpha shield with #1 you would have to just time the "phasing" in tele

For barrier damage anyway

Just gives a chance to destroy vengeance while allowing them inside

Also if it is #1 I think emp should disable barrier imo but that's another topic completely (and I'm not bringing up anymore modules ever again)

It should be #1 or #1 should be Protects weapon/shield maybe fully, combat/drone modules reduced

The other shields are more filler at this point

[dusk mirage]

Rocket drone is gonna do absolutely nothing.
And no a smart CR team does not carry one barrier

[dusk mirage]

Even if delta somehow managed to pass all the CR users it would do like what?
A scratch ?

Rotate fire with destiny?
That's not always a option, rarely at times.
They love to camp to on the outskirts of the sector just for that very fact. To trap people.

You lost that war hard ☠️.
Don't forget CR teams (BS5s so far for me)
Usually carry - CR,Alpha/Regen/impulse/Blast , barrier, bond, destiny/EMP/TP, CRT/repair

And most of the team will have something along those lines with the occasional MB for cerb clearing and sneaking past.

[dusk mirage]

😃have you heard of the barrier net ?

[shrewd lava]

Woah is the barrier turtle

[dusk mirage]

Assuming longer times for WS.
What would you suggest?

2. Potential to counter CR nests at the least but would probably require alot of leveling before being effective

3. You will burn to a crisp, once you commit there's no going back.

4. Again can your BS really handle CR burning it?
   And if reduced how much are we talking?

5. That's a sheild with a instant repair drone but it's good, CR will still melt you.

6. again can you really outlast barriers and bonds and will Veng go boom in time

[dusk mirage]

😓apologies

If you change alpha for bls.
I doubt the developers will make a bls alpha and a WS alpha.

Alpha Veng builds in bls can be countered and many people are doing it already.
This is, if not currently the only way for teams climbing the ladder to try and actually counter CR nests.

You can try strategy like maybe impulse to important locations first with dest bombs forcing CR users to come to you.
Still risky but if it's a smart team you up against, you probably dead.

Or you could try to hit their eco, meaning you have to go around - Time wasting, they can catch you easy since barrier and bond is legit ske of the main mods for their builds to work.
Defense is also weakened with every BS you send to try and flank.

And if you are CR users 😃 then it comes down to has the bigger mod levels (assuming you all active to the same level )

Just invest in TP
Then trigger them Veng early on before the end circle. 6 sec left then Tele out of there.
No way the guy can follow you with his TP. No time to react. (This is for bls)

[grim sable]

Found the meme

#memes-hadesstar message

[dusk mirage]

Nooooooooo

[grim sable]

Chad ally shield vs virgin alpha shield

Early pressure is best against alpha veng

[dusk mirage]

And mans is using ally shield 😆

[analog trail]

Also why not bond 14 and destiny lvl 1 to break up nests. Bond has higher range than barrier,, granted you have to do it while they sleep because destiny is 3 hrs. You can bond a cerb to activate destiny if no enemy available. Which yes a smart corp may see this coming, they may also see a destiny bomb. Which may disrupt the nests. If lucky the 3 hr catches them off gaurd nd you bond there barrier out of the way with destiny, while you set perfect tm to the destiny bond with other bs infiltrating

You could possibly repeat this cycle for extra barrier bonds that catch your strategy

Also can't you activate bond last second? After destiny activates?

Am I wrong? I have no idea

Impulse shield on the rest bro

XD

With all fortify lvl 14

I declare this land fortified

Throw suspend on 1 to slow them down too and reduce damage

[dusk mirage]

😓 unfortunately it ain't that easy.
Don't forget it's not uncommon for them to carry TP or even dest themselves.

How many players actually invest in bond?
Not many and when they do, it is around RS7 or 8(from what I've seen)

• to use dest you need a enemy.
  Experienced CR teams know this and they to remove all things that dest requires from cerbs to even asteroids in adjacent sectors

[dusk mirage]

Dis but a mere puny twig in their path

[analog trail]

Yes but why not activate it last second in time machine? I've never tried destiny bond but I'd assume it works the same as tele. Your saying the barrier player is going to activate tele for the destiny activation? If you time machine it or just time it rl activate bond at 1 min left or try closer. They can break the bond after it doesn't matter you moved barrier

Impulse allows the others to go. Now yes they will activate barrier if they catch you.... with impulse maybe they are off gaurd.. big maybe on high level matches because everyone would have bond barrier

[dusk mirage]

Yeah that's why they clear out the requirements for you to pop dest, for this exact reason.
So you can't catch them off guard