#Dev communication & truth on the games future

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lethal shell
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What happened to Athens, why do you say he won't be working on it anymore?

gritty shoal
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he discontinued it, lack of interest

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doesn't mean he's coming back to HS though

sand root
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Monetization in new ways and restoring social features would be the few ways of saving the game. The rest are just a token for us current players.

desert ibex
gritty shoal
desert ibex
gritty shoal
thick dove
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Heā€™s said multiple times that hades will continue to receive the same level of commitment it has in the past which imo does not bode well

glad jackal
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Next up, a new game called Battleship Artemis

sand root
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Why not a crowd sourcing with no dilution on HSDN

desert ibex
thick dove
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For real though make the Athena idea but for hades we already got the assets and community

desert ibex
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New question why have suggestions, or bug tab if they plan on fixing stuff not that frequently

thick dove
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I will make the hardest drs yall ever seen

thick dove
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Thatā€™s why

glad jackal
thick dove
glad jackal
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Oh, I would like that as well

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Could essentially make a HS version of "Break the targets" from Smash bros, but with cerbs

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Could have a quickest time leaderboard

tardy narwhal
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Make feature to let player custom match => player can creat tournament or HS cup and all done. Player make content for player. That why Age of Empires 2. That game is developed in 1999 and still alive in my country

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Ps: AOE2 there is no update since 1999 till now that still fine

desert ibex
tardy narwhal
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Well as i say. That game still alive in my country since 1999 without anh change. šŸ˜„

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Just let player play against each other more frequently and more way. That is all

desert ibex
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AoE 2 and Starcraft were da best, HS some what reminds me of starcraft but not really šŸ˜…

jagged copper
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Got some info after digging a little:

Andreas has deleted all posts on his, and his companies account, added sections to his profile about his experience, companies he has intrests in etc. Most interestingly he added a services section to his profile to act maybe as a freelancer?

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Overall, chance that HS gets major updates any time soon is essentially nil

thick dove
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Wow this guy looks like he knows what heā€™s doing. Maybe we should consider hiring him to work on hades. Says call for pricing

manic mauve
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Lmao

jagged copper
thick dove
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Crowd funded

jagged copper
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Perfect idea

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Or just get @digital geyser

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They already spend so much on the game

manic mauve
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Someone should post corp ad for hiring him

jagged copper
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šŸ”„šŸ”„

desert ibex
worthy pelican
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The dev hears you.
Believing is about not having the hard proof.
Hold on to your faith šŸ™ for he will return to us when we need him the most.

thick dove
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Heā€™s gonna return 4 years ago?

marble kernel
glad jackal
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Communication was great, I really thought it was a good sign.

I think after the community feedback and not seeing the response he was anticipating, he stopped caring.

marble kernel
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Idk, there was a lot of helpful feedback, and I don't know if that characterization is correct

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I think there was a big wave of negative feedback after the announced removal of 'quantum stars' from the update (at least from my perspective & what I remember), and that felt like when communication noticeably began falling off

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It'd be interesting to track the timeline~

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There was also a persistent toxicity coming from a handful of people, and that clouded a lot of the productive discussion...

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Seeing the discussion in the dn channel some days certainly repulsed me, it was mostly just bickering

thick dove
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New stars does seem the most ask for update

marble kernel
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Im bummed about some of the removals, hopefully there are signs of decent content addition in the future

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Whatever 'quantum stars' would've been, a new PvE mode would be sweet
The crystal trading via diplomacy was also an unfortunate concept to see removed

thick dove
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We need an endless corp mode. Not over when everyone dies

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Fly around an endless hex grid the further from spawn the harder the hexes. 1 tiles fog of war

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Would also love the same thing as an rs speed dungeon crawler

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Thatā€™s why I wanna see an editor made for hades

marble kernel
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Some type of mode that is accessible to less skilled/risky players, but allows reward for risk

jagged copper
worthy pelican
gritty shoal
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also the HUD "feature" was done by some beginner programmer, so not Andreas

jagged copper
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Ah ok

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Makes sense

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The hud thing blocks and overlaps everything on mobilešŸ˜†

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Although it is pretty useful in bls

gritty shoal
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only way it's useful, and you can't see the level numbers well on PC as something about font scaling is f-ed up

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also unnecessarily takes the whole width hiding important data. like objective.

jagged copper
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Yeah lmao

lethal shell
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I even use it in solos sometimes to watch health bar for a bs that I left outside of viewcreen

gritty shoal
lethal shell
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Mobile šŸ˜•

gritty shoal
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get a pc, don't be agricultural

lethal shell
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Agri?? šŸ˜‚

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Anyway it's certainly not an impressive implementation, but it's been a minor improvement for me regardless

jagged copper
gritty shoal
jagged copper
jagged copper
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Yeah

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It can suck, theres a bunch of things that idk how phone companies havent ironed out yet

desert ibex
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Also, he probably is here under a different name just to be one of us šŸ˜‰

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He also is probably the king of alt accounts, and that's why there not supported. My Papa wants all the alts to himself

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or.. he is the kingpin of the Lone BS upgrading them and moving them when you least expect it

manic mauve
desert ibex
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These are the questions that need answers more maybe šŸ˜

jagged copper
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Not like we gonna get them

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Andreas refuses to answer questions abt HS

marble kernel
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#questions-for-devs

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Until April of last year, this game had the best dev-player communication I think that I've seen

worthy pelican
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Since then it has had the best dev-player communication that you did not see.

modest vector
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Lol

worthy pelican
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Ask and you shall receive

desert ibex
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They just allow us more credits so they don't have to update anything else šŸ«”šŸ¤£

lethal shell
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  • make generous update addressing a core system, progression speed issues were very real
  • get flak for all the other stuff 12h later
gritty shoal
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The wounds run deep and a bandaid is nice, but also not. šŸ˜„

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In reality, I'm just glad that someone looked at few issues in mod balancing and game progression and did something about it. This was Andreas now with more free time and less yachting time obviously.

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It may sound stupid and copeful, but chances are other issues were looked at too and we may get another tweak update soon.

dusk heart
desert ibex
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He could just implement a "Athena" game mode if he wanted I doubt anyone would complain

thick dove
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I totally agree but suspect this game didnā€™t turn out as originally envisioned and so he just wants to do something else. Nothing wrong with that but hiring a dev team to take over would have been the correct road to take.

desert ibex
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Well Athena wouldn't have been a daily grind type game tho? More just battle have fun

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So he wanted to create a game you can just play rather have that daily effect I'd assume I never played those ones because I no have pc papa

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Which imo HS should have a corp bls paced game mode but shrug (corp vs corp not RS )

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Not that it's bls, but bls module mechanics / movement speeds

hot tiger
thick dove
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I hate shipments but damn would they be fun with tm over multiple days having to defend from constant cerb attack

lethal shell
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It's time they get to come and mess with our stuff for a change. We're always the bullies coming for their precious arts!

desert ibex
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Photo shop on a pc would turn out wayyyy better

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It just says we can't tweak game files not photo edit?

thick dove
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But I want an actual game. I want to make real rs levels people can play

desert ibex
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Design always comes first though šŸ˜…

thick dove
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I want a mod that scrubs the game of bls so I canā€™t even see it

desert ibex
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tweaks game files

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Just get 1st in every bls its not that bad

thick dove
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Most games I play have a flourishing plugin community. Hades is a smaller game but Iā€™m sure we have plenty of people who would help

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I do get first I still hate it. Itā€™s like having a high paying job you hate. Maybe itā€™s easy, maybe it pays well but you still hate it

desert ibex
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Couldn't he make a copy of HS, minus economy

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Just call it battleship hades šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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Oh no

thick dove
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Ws with resetting seasons would be cool. Get upgrades way faster but after 3 months all reset so new players can actually play

desert ibex
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I think the reason he created a new game instead of making HS like Athena was because people have spent so long on the economy and wouldn't be fair to those who have been the longest

thick dove
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It was my understanding the new game wasnā€™t gonna have permanent upgrades anyway and was just a make this and play with your friends. We could add that to hades. No benefits playing player made content just fun

desert ibex
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Well you could purchase a YS that has max everything and you only match anything with those but that then ruins the concept šŸ¤£šŸ«”

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And would be bugged

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I'm surprised there's no like hey buy my rs 12 account on Craigslist maybe fb marketplace šŸ¤£

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Everyone always wants mods too but Andreas wants you to get there not just already be there (for HS)

hot tiger
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unfortunately, a new game might have had a better time.

desert ibex
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Yes but I feel maybe I have gained faster but not sure how much faster. I'm almost 5 mil cap already and I was like 1.5 when dn hit red star 7 now red star 9

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No purchases

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I think I don't remember cap but definitely rs 7

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I attempted drs 7 like too soon haha

hot tiger
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We had a player quit over it due to being set back 2 mill. They were half saved up for their bs6 upgrade when, bam, no more 7.2 mill.

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down to 5

desert ibex
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What is the player count?

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Doesn't really matter ig

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Idk why he lowered those that much I guess is a better question haha

hot tiger
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I can only speak to whitestar stats and it seems generally flat. we lose some, we gain some

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where old players leave, new ones come in

desert ibex
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I was gonna say if there are actually millions of players like it says on the app store I'd only assume he would do it to get everyone close, because he does have a future (plan) for this game ?

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If only we could get a seasonal calender haha but the updates are very little as in minor tweaks

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But again taking that much after a player has spent time doing it.. doesn't seam fair and should have at LEAST been rewarded with the exact amount of crystals to creds

hot tiger
desert ibex
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The crystal rewards were not exact to creds though? I thought we got crystals for dn update

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For those players who lost 2 mil I wonder

gritty shoal
# hot tiger We had a player quit over it due to being set back 2 mill. They were half saved ...

were they aware that the DN update was coming and it affected caps? the information was available on HSO weeks before it from beta players. i made a plan a month before DN to not risk progress and force a rs9 cap and upgrade before the DN update as rs levels were said to affect new caps and finishing any upgrades before DN is something you do when you don't want them taken away from you.

hot tiger
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We participated in the alpha test for a few months then quit testing

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I don't understand why they did not auto upgrade planets to previous caps, or why I got 2 separate cap increases I did not need

thick dove
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Many many players had quit and only came back at update wrongly assuming their progress would be kept since the devs touted for years how all progress will be saved, corps will never be able to be stolen, your stuff is your stuff and thatā€™s finalā€¦until it wasnā€™t

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Thatā€™s why players were upset and rightfully so

gritty shoal
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staying informed is important. i don't remember if andreas sent enough information and caution in the game news tab, but there's also some duty on the players to stay informed about the game they play every day.

thick dove
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Read the blog posts he says many times how the things we achieve wonā€™t be taken from us then he went and took the single slowest thing to gain people have a right to be upset

gritty shoal
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people rush to get advantage of old beneficial laws when laws change. they watch the news and stay informed.

hot tiger
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Maybe that is on me. I could have guided them better

magic lance
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Its a shame. Clearly the dev has a passion for a particular kind of game but it doesn't seem the player base is interested. Yet right in front of him is a game he created that has been relatively successful for years with a consistent playerbase. Instead of improving upon it and keeping it fresh, it feels abandoned. I thought part of the DN update was that Hades Star could be updated and maintained for years to come so I thought we would have more frequent updates, balance changes, new content, etc., but it seems we will have nothing for the near future. I have put years into this game and have no plans of stopping.

hot tiger
magic lance
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Perhaps but there still seems to be a good amount of players on this game and I'm sure he has metrics on how many are playing and buying stuff that he can see there is some interest, regardless of what the trolls say

thick dove
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And many players would be willing to buy crystals again if they saw real development. Number fixes are important but donā€™t entice players to spend money

worthy pelican
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Trolling is the ultimate form of flattery

lethal shell
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I can see how getting your app bombed on the playstore would be disheartening to start, and then also make one hesitant to invest heavily in it as a way to make a living

sand root
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The bombing was a snowball of accumulated rage. It shouldn't have happened that stongly.

There is a strong community that can be lead and is willing to respond. Now it is not only about game features. It is about engaging the community as a social entity. Imagine some hundreds of people willing to help getting organised. I see that doable. But not a tech thing.

thick dove
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I guess I canā€™t see the google play store but itā€™s still sitting at 4.5 stars on Apple I hardly call that being bombed. And he had to have know stealing our cap would make people mad

gritty shoal
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there are 2 apps

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one was bombed

thick dove
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They both have a 4.5 star rating on my App Store

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Ok well og app is 4.5 and the new app is 3.5 I guess but thatā€™s still not bombed. Thatā€™s a lot better than a lot of other games

modest vector
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For me it's the other way around lol

lethal shell
thick dove
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Interesting. He did say the android player base is so much bigger than everyone else combined they are all that matters

hot tiger
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I view this game like space evony. I'm curious how everyone else sees it.

thick dove
worthy pelican
desert ibex
gritty shoal
worthy pelican
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How does the game view us

kind canyon
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oh here it is

lethal shell
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idk mate, if andrea removed you from this thread maybe there was a reason

kind canyon
copper furnace
thick dove
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Idk still 99% of the community cheating with gate cheese must not be that easy shrug

kind canyon
thick dove
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Idk what else you could call it

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Smurfing rs but smurfing=cheating so shrug

worthy pelican
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What's the difference between smurfing and winning?
Perspective.

thick dove
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I canā€™t stop yā€™all from cheating but donā€™t complain the games easy if you gonna cheat to make it easy smh

worthy pelican
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The word Smurfing is only used by non-winners.

thick dove
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I use it all the time and took first in bls soā€¦no

worthy pelican
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I have made my case.

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Let the audience decide for themselves.

gritty shoal
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The secret ingredient needed for success? Crime.

worthy pelican
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It's only illegal if you're caught.

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And not pardoned.