#Return galaxy chat!

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compact thunder
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Return galaxy chat please! We users loved it. Always want a wild place to chat in-game.

distant chasm
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It was removed to silence the players but the excuses given were; Trolls, Illegal activities on the non-English rooms, and Nazis!

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Seriously, Nazis.

glass smelt
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Ironic profile pic, with that comment.

rose fjord
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There are enough respected people that could be mods

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With a system of voting, hard decisions wouldn't depend on a single mod

compact thunder
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In game public chats are nice in general

distant chasm
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@rose fjord good luck getting Galaxy Chat back.

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Actually, this gives me another idea for a meme...if you want it.

rose fjord
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Go ahead

distant chasm
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Ok, you asked for it. But I'll post it on the HS subreddit then post the link here.

distant chasm
white escarp
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The game lost a lot once GC was removed

white escarp
rose fjord
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Specially when there is free labour to be mods

distant chasm
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@white escarp Arcardion!

shy fox
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Yes the respected players could be mods in gc. Shame all of those players don’t want gc cuz of the cesspool it was

rose fjord
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You have about 5 respected in here

shy fox
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I count 1

rose fjord
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Enough
You've got the job

shy fox
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I was actually not talking about myself for once 😅

rose fjord
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😛

white escarp
glass smelt
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Calling the developer dumb while still playing the game reclaims your crown @white escarp @distant chasm

white escarp
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Who says I'm actually playing?
I'm mostly just channel surfing and saw something that rang true

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But actually I do think the developer is dumb... taking a good game and ruining it... and true to form stubbornly persisting in doing so even as people are voting with their feet

distant chasm
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Indeed...lol

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Not that anyone else can see my tiara anymore...

glass smelt
white escarp
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Nope, can't even be bothered to relay my planets most days

glass smelt
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Then coming here to complain and call the dev dumb is pretty dumb.

You leaving is casting your vote, waits for that vote to be cast...

white escarp
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Meh... I calls it as I sees it

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And I thought the image shared by @distant chasm was pretty funny AND pretty accurate

glass smelt
shy fox
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It’s a shame when blatant racism is the ideal game people miss ☹️

quaint sphinx
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The majority must suffer from the few I guess.. locking it down was the quickest way.. if it was the best way is to be debated...

distant chasm
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I personally saw nothing of the sort. In fact GC was the least toxic, most helpful game chat I have ever been in. Seriously, you must never have been an any other game chats or lobbies in the last 10 years to throw shade on GC.

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@white escarp Thank you.
I have been making memes for years but much more since I was forced to return to the US in March 2020.

white escarp
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GC had its moments of toxicity... so does this server. Should we shut every platform down just because someone says something you don't like?

The game is far less social now that GC is gone.

distant chasm
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I'm not saying that toxic people were never on it from time to time but I am saying that it was the LEAST toxic one that I ever experienced. This is probably because the slow nature of the game weeded out a lot of the "toxic 12 year olds" so there was mostly adult there.

white escarp
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I don't think a toxic few is a reason to remove something that was enjoyable to many. But the way the world is now, the minute someone gets upset it's a major travesty.

burnt flax
distant chasm
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I seem to recall that there was some accusations about the Russian language room. But to remove all language rooms?

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Seems like a huge over kill really it and confused and angered many.

white escarp
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War in Ukraine brought out a lot of toxicity so I hear

distant chasm
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Perhaps that may be true but to collectively punish everyone?

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Sounds like a nazi move to me, if you can forgive the reference.

burnt flax
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Was there something stopping players from typing in other languages in the English chat? If not, then the toxicity would just migrate (not to mention it would become a nightmare trying to read).
And if there wasn't, they'd have to implement it in the case the other chats were closed since moderation would still be lacking, and now you have the great optics of only allowing one lanuage to chat.

white escarp
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Agreed @distant chasm Collective punishment means everyone suffers for the actions of the few... Dev just did it like this because it was the easiest solution

distant chasm
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Moderation was not lacking in the English room.

white escarp
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Dev firing Pistol was the end of moderation in the Russian room

distant chasm
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I remember that.

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How about the Chinese room?

burnt flax
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Well I can only speculate that the lack of moderation was caused by the lack of language speakers, rather than simply not having the numbers. I dunno. I never used and don't care about GC anyway 😂

white escarp
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GC was one of the best parts of this game which was mostly a chat app with some intermittent gameplay

distant chasm
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I seem to recall that in the very beginning that there was only an English language room. And I also remember a call for other language speakers to help translate the game into those languages.

white escarp
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Any social game which relies on an external chat app for its social functions is going to fail.
The social implantation of DN is woeful, what is the point of a friend list with limited number of friends

distant chasm
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Yes, there was a good natured joke that Andreas really created a chat app with a game attached. 😀

white escarp
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The game really needed a place where you could invite friends to a group chat and start an RS from group chat.

How you were meant to find friends without GC is beyond me

distant chasm
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Indeed.

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The thing is ... if you wanted to do anything illegal you wouldn't want to use a PUBLIC chatroom. But there is nothing stopping people from creating a corporation and inviting your nefarious friends into that to use Corp chat. Is there?

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I hope Andreas doesn't find out about THAT!

white escarp
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What Andy says is he doesn't police what happens in private corporations... basically he turns a blind eye to it

distant chasm
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Oh, okay. ... and?

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Don't get me wrong. Andreas can do whatever he wants with his game because it is his after all.

white escarp
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Sure and if the game isn't fun then no one will play with him lol

distant chasm
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You know way back Andreas used to actually play the game. I was in the same corp he was in. No, he wasn't the FO.

white escarp
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Was he different back then?

distant chasm
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He didn't really interact much back then so can't say.

white escarp
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We used to have the game's artist JFK in our corp, he was similar

distant chasm
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Sweet.

shell wasp
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Gc was definitely a key component to keeping this game going and needs to be given back. The excuses for removing it are lame and some are false.

rose fjord
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Shutting gc is one of the big reason to game decline.

white escarp
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That and the fact that RS isn't fun like it used to be

shut maple
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GC kept a lot of the community together

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Now it feels like barely anyone plays this game

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GC was , in a way , a good indication of how busy the game was.

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It also helped corps recruit players

white escarp
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Without GC there doesn't feel like much to do in the game sometimes which is often about waiting

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When GC closed it instantly felt like the game was dead...
It was funny though to get 24hr bans when Andy saw something he didn't like towards the end

shell wasp
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Especially for those of us who were among the last to lose it @white escarp

white escarp
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Yes

shell wasp
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Getting kicked based on influence level? Really?
Rather than fixing the issues we just lose a key component of the game. I agree completely. The game lost a huge part of what it was when gc was taken.

white escarp
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The current game is nothing like the game I got hooked on 6y ago... it's definitely missing the key ingredient... fun

shell wasp
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Absolutely

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I feel the same way. If it weren't for some people I met on gc and still play the game with I would be gone.

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When they tire of the game I literally won't have anything left to log into the game for.

white escarp
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The only thing I have left is maxing out my tech... but that won't happen soon because I haven't bothered to collect an artifact for months

shell wasp
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I think it's sad when honest suggestions are given and then ridiculed by those who want things just as they are for their own selfish reasons and the one person who could actually do something won't even acknowledge that you made a comment in the first place.

distant chasm
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@shell wasp Macgyver!

shell wasp
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Hey @distant chasm

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How ya been

distant chasm
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Been tough this last year.

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My father's health really declined. So have been really busy. In September my father died.

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It was tough because most of my family has died, moved away, lost touch. I had some unhappy decisions to make with little help.

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But now things are a little easier...for the moment.

shell wasp
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I'm sorry to hear that @distant chasm

maiden vapor
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I got banned from GC to be fair

winged barn
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Gc bans are a badge of honor. In the end people got banned for seemingly innocent jokes.

maiden vapor
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I never got that distinction tho?

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XD

winged barn
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It's a mental distinction. I wear it with pride.

maiden vapor
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I was the one always jumping into random conversations people having with the jokes and maybe I went a little to far but nothing crazy. If there was anyway to just have MODS in a GC to actually ban people maybe it would help

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People would just say I’m banned idk if I actually got banned 😂

white escarp
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I think in the end all the best people in GC got banned

rose fjord
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In spanish there wereno bans

rose fjord
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Absence of galaxy chat makes social corps not being able to get social players

white escarp
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Absence of GC makes the game feel isolating and dead

shut maple
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☝️

distant chasm
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@white escarp Yes, Arcardion, isolating... And that was the intention.

white escarp
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Of course it was... he didn't want GC to be flooded with negative feedback about the unpopular changes... only Andy Affirming comments allowed

glass smelt
shut maple
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Oh i forgot, you blocked everyone whose ever called you a troll

white escarp
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I've missed my daily dose of Looper... how is life?

glass smelt
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Nevermind, you already answered that question.

rose fjord
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Maybe galaxy chat, Andreas doesn't want it because so many transactions cost money. Then make a big button to redirect to this discord

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The other is too hidden

compact thunder
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Here's the kicker. When I was a kid, I used to like games that had a chat system enabled. So you won't have to go to some other weird server or download some weird app, you could just talk to people in game. It was one of the things I liked to do. If someone's salty or abusive, block them. But removing people's ability to interact in-game is simply wrong IMO.

peak shoal
white escarp
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It just makes no sense to me to have a social game that you can't chat to other players WITHIN the game
You shouldn't need to go to another platform such as discord to socialize within the game

shell wasp
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Gc was a building block for the game. Originally we used it to learn from eachother and we asked lots of questions about the game. We had other topics as well and as the game grew gc grew. It wasn't just integrated into the game. It was integrated into the community. Yes we had issues in gc but who doesn't have issues from time to time in social interactions?
We even have heated moments with our friends and families.
Removing gc simply says to everyone that the intolerant win and the tolerant must suffer for it. Maybe gc should be given back and those who can't tolerate other people should opt to stay away from it. Taking gc away removed options for those who wanted to be able to choose. Giving gc back gives those who enjoyed it the option back and those who don't want it should just avoid it. Now both sides of this scenario have options.
Gc was inclusive. Removing gc is exclusive.
Sure some rules need to apply.
The legally protected rules that civilized humans already know to follow.
The easy solution is to ban those who don't follow these rules. They have already chosen for themselves to not remain on gc.
It was a great place to get away from the real world and socialize with people who were also getting away from their real life realities.
It should return.

glass smelt
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MacGyver has volunteered to learn all of the languages DN is available in and moderate all of the different chats to ban the criminals and sexual deviants, I mean "intolerants", that got galaxy chat removed. He said he would do it for free and it would be easy.

shell wasp
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I'm not going to continue having childish exchanges with you @glass smelt
Maybe at some point your portion of conversation will become less aggressive. One can only hope. Until then you will get nothing from me.

glass smelt
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The reality is no one is going to moderate the channels, and therefore the risk is too great to the game. It would be great if players were responsible and civil. But we're not, call "our exchanges" what you want, your easy button doesn't exist.

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And "nothing more" from you was what you should have said in your response saying I would get no response, irony can be funny sometimes.

shell wasp
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You started your comments quite well. That is the response I was looking for. The easy button doesn't exist in anything we do in life. Everything is work so I didn't assume or imply that having gc would be easy.
The rest of what you said could have been left out and your statement would have held its ground just fine.

glass smelt
shell wasp
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I can see how you might be easily confused considering your average responses. Where did I say having gc would be easy?
I responded to your last post because you had a legitimate point of view. That was where I said I would respond to your posts. We can continue to discuss that point of view or we can discuss another related opinion if you have one so long as it is presented in a manner that isn't abrasive, condescending, or down right disrespectful.
If you hadn't started the post with a potential reason against having gc then you are right I wouldn't have given credence or time to your post. The rest of that post was garbage.

shut maple
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pulls down pants and flies away like a helicopter

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🚁🚁🚁🚁

peak shoal
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What did I just see

shut maple
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Isn’t this the galaxy chat?

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What up, nerds

peak shoal
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Gc got banned because people were getting doxed, leaking images, and cp on the non-English channels

shell wasp
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Sup @shut maple

shut maple
rose fjord
shy fox
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Discord is a much larger platform that should be able to deal with those sorts of things. Hades can hardly keep the game going let alone deal with bigots in chat

rose fjord
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I mean. Companies may need insurance for that. And that costs money. No gc, no insurance cost

manic thistle
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Removing GC made the game feel much more like a single player game than before

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And the game just looks dead to any new player because they can't actually talk to anyone else

rose fjord
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And socially active corps cannot attract other socially active new players

white escarp
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Losing GC lost a lot of the reason for me to chill in HS, it suddenly became a game where I just logged into to do stuff

compact thunder
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As soon as a game seems like a chore or God forbid, a job, it is not fun anymore.
That's what happened to Eve Online and why many old folks despise the game now

distant chasm
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@rose fjord This is incorrect. There are legal protections for websites, platforms, etc that host message boards, chatrooms, blogs etc. In the US it is Section 230 and I believe others. Also Canada and the EU also have similar protections.

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@peak shoal GC is text only. It doesn't support images or hypertext linking. You are lying.

winged barn
cunning axle
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Yes for chat

peak shoal
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You can't see it because the discussion was archived in the dark nebula chats, but it was proven by @chrome glen

chrome glen
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Yeah, there was a spanish player that send a lot of drive links.

peak shoal
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Sorry for the ping uke

chrome glen
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Np.

chrome glen
distant chasm
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@chrome glen How do you know or find out it was illegal? Did you copy down and manually enter it into a browser?

Google has for many years not only filtered any search results but it actively monitors content stored on it's own servers.

However, there was never any hyperlinking support in GC and the actions of one individual in one chatroom does not justify the the removal of the chatroom for everyone. This is collective punishment, which, ironically, is a very nazi move.

And do not try to justify it with any sort of "legal implications" because there are laws to protect sites and platforms from such things.

Now, I'll say this again, this is Andreas's game and he can do whatever he wants with it and I am fine with that. However, do not try to justify it for any other reasons other than the actual reason which is...

To silence legacy players and prevent potentially "poisoning" new players.

That one sentence is the reason and not trolls, or nazis, or or legal costs, or anything else. Just to stop the interactions of new players with legacy players.

chrome glen
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They were photos that player secretly took of a classmate.

peak shoal
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You can't moderate what you can't understand

chrome glen
distant chasm
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@chrome glen Gee, that doesn't help your case at all.

chrome glen
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Also that player was threatening people, telling a player to kill her son and eat him, using Nazi swastikas, etc.

peak shoal
distant chasm
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@peak shoal infrequently on French and Russian.

peak shoal
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And how was the moderation?

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You see, most of the galaxy chats were unmoderated hell holes, where anything goes, rather than creating a translation program and integrating them all (which is what I thought should be done), he deleted the entire thing. It wasnt to shut up the legacy players like you said, it was to protect everyone

distant chasm
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@peak shoal I have no clue. Yet they were running for years. And this is still not justification.

And you still have not addressed the fact that it was to prevent legacy players from interacting with new players.

GC was actually removed from DN quite late in its development. I know, I was there and saw what was going on.

peak shoal
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I played dn from day 1

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Galaxy chat wasn't a dn issue, it's a moderation issue

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I bet if you could provide a trusted moderation team for all of the languages, he would bring galaxy chat back

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@distant chasm If you heard reports of cp being shared through your game, wouldn't you shut it down?

distant chasm
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@peak shoal tell me you have never been in another game's chatroom or lobby without saying you have never been in another game's chatroom or lobby.

peak shoal
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Your argument is invalid. I have disproven every single point and now you resort to personally insulting me.

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The recap:

  1. Legal protection: while section 230 does state that they are immune to content posted by other users, they do have the legal responsibility to monitor and remove content in good faith. Something that couldn't be done because of the language issues of the small moderation team.

  2. The sharing of links/images: if you can type, you can share a link, whatever if they have hypertext linking and/or image support or not.

  3. It's been there for years. So what? If you have been breaking the law for years you will still get punished. Time has nothing to do with this.

  4. "Nazi" move: no it's not. A "nazi" move would be to ban anyone who speaks a certain language.

  5. Silence legacy players: galaxy chat was never the only means of communication, there is no silencing players because he does not control everything.

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Now, I'm not saying that removing galaxy chat was the best course of action, but something had to be done.

distant chasm
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@peak shoal

  1. Section 230 provides immunity and define "good faith". Good faith can extend to only providing a warning.

  2. That actions of a minuscule number of people, if that is even true ... see 1. above.

  3. Andreas nor the app was ever breaking the law. See 1. above.

  4. Punishing EVERYONE for the possible random actions of a few is a nazi move and it is ironic because "nazi activity" was absolutely given as a reason, for the Russian room, whatever nazi activity actually means.

  5. Legacy players "poison" new players. I distinctly remember the word poisoning which is why I put it in quotes. Discord? Only a very small number of players will actually use Discord. Did you not see the review bombing in the stores? Do you think that came from new players? No!

This "update" turned very many legacy players salty, very salty in fact. And to not see or claim that such unhappy players would not "poison" the new plays... I may have been born at night but it wasn't last night.

peak shoal
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  1. As
    the title of section 230(c) makes clear, the provision
    provides limited liability ‘‘protection’’ to a provider of
    an interactive computer service (such as an online platform) that engages in ‘‘‘Good Samaritan’ blocking’’ of
    harmful content.
  2. It is true, I have seen proof of the images, and proof of that can be found in the archived dark nebula channels.
  3. Wrong see 1.
  4. Not enough moderation so these activities could develop and expand.
  5. You contradicted your own point.
peak shoal
chrome glen
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Give me some time to translate it, it's complicated.

rose fjord
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There is more legistlation than US

peak shoal
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I know, I'm just countering his argument at the source

rose fjord
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I am also countering him

peak shoal
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The best of all is that it has got me hooked since Wednesday when I was behind her almost touching her for 50 minutes.

peak shoal
chrome glen
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Best of all, she's had me turned on since Wednesday when I was behind her almost touching her for almost 50 minutes.

I wanted so badly to pull down her pants and put it so far inside her that it got stuck.

rose fjord
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Having a bunch of nazi, sexual harraser / stalkers in your system may have liabilities in many places

peak shoal
chrome glen
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I find Galaxy Chat a wonderful communication tool, but I don't want these things to come back.

rose fjord
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The most important point is that there were lots and lots of people wanting to moderate that shit

chrome glen
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So, in the case that it does come back, it would have to be moderated.

rose fjord
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More important. In Europe, some compliance agencies are machines of charging fines. They are financed only with fines. Law enforcement is a secondary objective and comes after fines are in place.

distant chasm
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So, what you have said is that you internationally, and manually, accessed multiple instances illegal images posted in a frequently purged chatroom without doing the "Good Samaritan" thing and report it in the English, moderated room, or here on Discord?

peak shoal
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He has reported them

distant chasm
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On Discord?

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Which can be searched?

peak shoal
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Archived channels, you can't view them anymore

distant chasm
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Because you cannot search GC because it was frequently purged.

peak shoal
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Just because it's purged doesn't mean it gets legal protection

rose fjord
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Or by game support email

distant chasm
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And a purged chatroom is not even considered a problem and has legal protections because nothing is "persistent".

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Because the moment you go to complain about it, it is gone.

peak shoal
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Persistent: existing for a long or longer than usual time or continuously. This falls under the continuously

distant chasm
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And if is doesn't exist then it doesn't exist.

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And if it doesn't exist then it is not a problem

rose fjord
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Yes is exists. There are screenshots and witnesses. Is anyone in the room a lawyer a judge or a legislator of any country?

peak shoal
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I'll admit that I am not

rose fjord
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These people were posting shit everyday. Some people have been doxed, or fallen into scam because people like those shits

chrome glen
distant chasm
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This is getting so convoluted as to be literally grasping for straws.

chrome glen
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Via gmail.

peak shoal
rose fjord
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It is not a staw. Is was a sequoia forest

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It

chrome glen
rose fjord
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Basically
Calling her foxy whore. And ordering to kill her daughters

distant chasm
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Oh, great, some one insulted someone. I don't see a legal problem. This is still under Section 230 protections.

peak shoal
rose fjord
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Many players in the spanish chat reported thing like that every week from many people (not angry teenagers). Never a response

peak shoal
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@distant chasm As I have said over and over, section 230 does not apply because of the lack of moderation.

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Please read it

rose fjord
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Captain A. You are ignoring the rest of the world legislations.

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Something being distributed world wide is liable everywhere

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And a game cannot afford legal processes everywhere

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And as I told you, some G7 nations' agencies objective is cgarging fines before enforcing law

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I myself want GC, but there is a need of moderators

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Paid (I doubt it) or volunteers

distant chasm
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@peak shoal The written warning is necessary.

A few years ago there was another site that I cannot name here that had a problem with persistent, illegal imagery. These images/videos were uploaded by 3rd parties. A written is given on the site.

The site was not taken down nor was there anyone arrested or prosecuted because of 230 protection.

They did, however, had a large purge.

The chatroom is purged frequently. Screenshots do not void 230 protections.

peak shoal
distant chasm
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@rose fjord Not quite. A platform is only required to follow the laws of its host nation. If a platform is found to violate another country's laws it is up to that country to block the platform. Legal action against a platform can only be taken through the courts of that platform's home country.

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@peak shoal P*rn hub

rose fjord
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Not true

distant chasm
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Why don't you search it.

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You know I'll bet you a million dollars the Discord itself has that warning about illegal activities being conducted on its servers somewheres in it s user agreement or other place

peak shoal
distant chasm
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And Discord can not actively moderate all the servers.

peak shoal
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Discord has automated moderation for these types of images, and there is also the report feature.

distant chasm
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@peak shoal Dude! 3.6 MILLION absolutely means it was not moderated . And still 230 protections...

And I was not lying, was I?

rose fjord
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And Hades is based in Canada. Not us

peak shoal
distant chasm
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@peak shoal And Google also has auto moderation for its Drive servers and has had since at least 2016.

And still these sites have image/video hosting capabilities for persistent files.

Nothing at all can compare them to GC. Zero. A text only, frequently purged chatroom...

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@peak shoal 3.6 million was not uploaded over night. It was stretched out over YEARS of unmoderated existence.

rose fjord
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A father was sending a picture to his son doctor. Google's bot recognised a child bottom and the account was automatically deleted. It was a torture to recover.

distant chasm
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And they were made to purge PERSISTENT files stored on their servers and still 230 protections.

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So claiming that GC, a text only, immediately purged chatroom could possibly lead to any sort of legal problem is utterly ridiculous.

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When an actual p*rn site hosting actual illegal stuff yet still have 230 protections?

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Please, don't take me or anyone else for a fool.

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No!

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Don't

peak shoal
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Your right I misread the report, 174k pieces were moderated and removed in 2021

distant chasm
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This is getting ridiculous.

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3.6 million!

peak shoal
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It said 3.6million were uploaded, that's my fault for not reading it correctly

distant chasm
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And still 230 protections

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So a text only chatroom, that is almost immediately purged is a problem?

peak shoal
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Because of the lack of moderation

distant chasm
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Stop beating a dead horse

rose fjord
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And maybe breaching Germany laws about nazi diacourse broadcasting

distant chasm
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Oh, right, now we move on to the nazi thing.

peak shoal
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In order to apply for section 230, you need moderation. Hades star has 5 guys. They can't cover every single language which then leads to that chatroom being in violation of section 230.

distant chasm
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On the Russian room

rose fjord
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I am talking about all the countries where the game is distributed

peak shoal
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Galaxy chat was not based on location, just on language

distant chasm
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230 and the required written warnings in the terms of service and the good faith thing.

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The platform is registered in a country, that a geographical thing.

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@rose fjord That still doesn't change the fact that the only laws the platform is requiring to follow is its home country of registration.

rose fjord
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Nope

distant chasm
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Really?

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That's all you have to say? Nope?

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So a platform is required to follow the laws of every country on the planet, right?

rose fjord
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A country can block a service for their natiinal users if the service does not comply with local laws. Look at the news i sent before

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Some meta functions are forbidden in the EU because of compliance.

distant chasm
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Correct! It is up to that nation to block a platform.

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And that has nothing to do with legal problems to that platform in its home country

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So what's the point?

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That GC was required to be removed because Kazakhstan might be unhappy with it?

rose fjord
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Any country can block access to non compliant services

peak shoal
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Galaxy chat was removed because of the lack in moderation

distant chasm
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@rose fjord Yes! So?

rose fjord
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Wrong link

distant chasm
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@peak shoal Lack of moderation in a text only, immediately purged chatroom that cannot void 230 protections is not the problem.

peak shoal
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It does void, did you not read it?

distant chasm
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When a written warning of illegal activities is all that is needed

rose fjord
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If you start having trouble with a hot local topic in a country, maybe your service can be cut off in that country.

peak shoal
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It can't give a written warning if there is no one to write it

distant chasm
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And so? Maybe the US will block Tik Tok... what problems is Tik Tok going to have in China?

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Terms of service...warnings about illegal activities.

rose fjord
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Tik tok being blocked in the US is a concern for them. Should be

distant chasm
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Answer the question.

rose fjord
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Please link. We discussed too much

distant chasm
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What legal problems will they have in China?

peak shoal
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TikTok is based in china

rose fjord
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No problem in china
But the lose a very important user base because tgey nit comply wit US requirements

distant chasm
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Here, I'll do it for you...None

rose fjord
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They

peak shoal
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@distant chasm Please explain why the United States is banning tiktok

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Maybe that will clue you in to the relevance to this discussion

distant chasm
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@peak shoal I have no clue and it still doesn't change the fact that they will have no legal troubles in China. Stop changing to topic

peak shoal
rose fjord
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(Now in tiktok issue i am pro Captain A)

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Having to block your services and pay fines is the imporrant thing here.

distant chasm
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Foreign laws are not a problem for Andreas or GC. Very relevant since you claim he'll have legal troubles because some Russian dudes were saying some sort of nazi stuff, breaking German laws and that will void out 230 protections because the Chinese chatroom is unmoderated.

rose fjord
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If you have teenagers (or the damned Hans Landa) writing swastikas after they have breakfast every day. That puts you in a legal compromise as a platform in many countries. Countries where you want your platform to still be delivered and you don't want to pay fines for some idiot.

distant chasm
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Teenagers being edgy one morning are not going to cause legal troubles.

None of the convoluted, extremely hypocritical arguments fly.

peak shoal
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Lack of moderation = legal liability

distant chasm
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That is a dead horse

rose fjord
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Hans Landa doing his old job is a legal matter

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Yes he might be dead by now

peak shoal
distant chasm
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No. The only reason for its removal is to prevent salty, legacy players from "poisoning" new players.

Not some fictional laws in exotic countries getting Andreas arrest and thrown into jail.

rose fjord
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In any case
If there is GC, moderation (volunteers) would be needed

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Agreed?

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Legal issues have more ramifications than we can imagine

distant chasm
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The reason I gave is good enough and makes sense.

It doesn't require Italian communist digging up the Holy Grail in ancient Mayan sites in Peru.

rose fjord
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That's clearer than Indiana Jones 4

rose fjord
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As we were discussing

late flame
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no this is a bad idea

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i agree with galaxy chat, but it should be like discord where u can mute it. also we should have monitors on it so u get banned for being, well, stupid

white escarp
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So easy for it to be abused and weaponised and it will be seen as yet another policy that pushes minority rights at the expense of the majority

vestal ether
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I think a galaxy chat could be implemented with some tweaks and be a huge net plus to the game. The addition of more 'mmo' features was floated, and I think an open and integrated chat is a huge step in that direction. I recall GC being a consistent source of life in game that was used for advice, trading, and coordinating cooperative play.
If moderation is not something willing to be pursued, or there are other unreconcilable challenges, I would like to hear that.

past pollen
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Yeah where's that guy Jordan

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@hard canopy

maiden vapor
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Just ****** every word that has anything to do with anything bad..? if something is really bad, ban that player entirely... a lot of mobile games have world chat.. how do they not have the same problems? Do they just not care? Or it doesnt happen? Look at cods voice chat now.. I honestly think the removal stems more from Andreas not wanting to get in trouble for the things that happen in his chat? I'd assume idk tho

shy fox
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We should take the toontown approach and either give a giant list of approved, selectable sayings with more unlockable in clarabelles cattlelog or you gotta have your parents confirm it’s ok to talk to strangers with a special friend code.

maiden vapor
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You could use an AI system that bans all the bad. I'd assume its expensive to use that tho

rose fjord
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It is less expensive to have 30 mods

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Many would do it for free as part of the game

vestal ether
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It just introduces a world of politics with unban requests, claims of unjust bans, ban duration. I imagine it could be implemented in a straightforward manner if clear rules are listed, and moderators have to clearly note why a user was banned.

rose fjord
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Or have 3 votes for a decision

maiden vapor
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I want the ban hammer.. None shall pass Ham 👨‍⚖️

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I'm just kidding 😂