Ranked Feature Raids

[normal fractal]

Have everyone wait for you right before the line

[gloomy quarry]

I can arrange P-1 then P-0

[rancid orchid]

We can kill his rating to make him win bottom split

[sly siren]

Not sure if I can convince myself to try the Mazda for that one. Didn't feel nice to drive when I tried it

But also had very little practice

[modest kayak]

the default setup is horrendous

its a lot better with some tweaks

[rancid orchid]

The fewer people driving the mazda the higher my chances on top split

Some setups are floating around here

[sly siren]

I'll test it a little bit, but at least have the GT3 as failsafe with a trusted car and setup ready to go

[modest kayak]

Ill talk a bit and see if i can do the 12th

i doubt it tbh

[crimson abyss]

Same

But I really should be in the class that you're not in 😂

[sly siren]

We can still have a miscommunication while lapping

[crimson abyss]

I know, but that means there's also a lot of laps where we are not near each other 😄

We're always so closely matched in the same class

[sly siren]

True. We're always close to each other. Can't get much closer than yesterday

Also probably no way to stay out of each others way through strategy

[crimson abyss]

Not for the first stint in any race 😛 And definitely not at RA 2h. Only one strategy there

[sly siren]

I need to take the Audi and do an extra stop like Frank would

[elfin crown]

Have to manage with my wife... but is DPi time

😉

[weary stag]

I'm going to looking at this very soon.

Can you send some evidence of that, any evidence of cars double stinting tyres?

[modest kayak]

I have to look into some races I watched recently. I will get back to you

[modest kayak]

bathurst 12hr this year, the 75 decided to do the last 2 hrs on one set of tyres

its performance was sub optimal, but still survived

https://www.youtube.com/live/yfS3OXbrpdU?feature=share&t=37026

pitstop 2 hrs to go, new set

https://www.youtube.com/live/yfS3OXbrpdU?feature=share&t=40539

stop 1 hrs to go no new set

https://press.pirelli.com/records-broken-at-bathurst-12-hours-with-new-pirelli-p-zero-dhf/

also pirelli couldnt stop flexing that you could last 2+hrs on a set

[sly siren]

At Bathurst 2 hours are also possible on one set in Raceroom, on most other tracks it's not possible though

[modest kayak]

hmmm, okay. that example just shot in my mind

it happened more often as far as i am aware, just have to recall where 😄

[rancid orchid]

The GTEs in WEC do double and sometimes triple stints, but I don't know if the tyre compounds are comparable

[modest kayak]

acc also keeps saying the DHE can last 2 stints, but that doesnt count i presume? 😄

[modest kayak]

not sure, i know you can doublestint the gte hards in rr tho

The problem is that doublestinting ofc is slower in the car, so teams do it only irl in exceptions 😄

I know that during a dubai 24hr there were teams doublestinting, but i dont know if they did so all the time

and that were hankook tires, and i presume the ones in rr are DHE

12hr of mugello this year a team did an accidental doublestint on tyres 😂
but still managed

I mean it is by no means optimal, but it can be done without the tires popping 🙂

[modest kayak]

In gt300 (super gt) they had to add mandatory tyre changes cause some teams kept doublestinting them. That is probably where I get it from. I watch the races to keep my japanese up

It is very not working

Is this enough? @weary stag 🙂

[weary stag]

No, GT300 is an open tyre supplier class with Yokohama, Bridgestone, Michelin all involved

[modest kayak]

ah that is true ofc, sorry that might be a bad example

[weary stag]

Whereas we're really just interested in Pirelli tbh, as is usedin DTM, that's our basis. 12/24hr series is Hankook too

[modest kayak]

yeah true, dtm is also DHE right?

like gtwc

?

[weary stag]

DHF

[modest kayak]

ahhh

oh gtwc is also now

[weary stag]

It's not a simple comparison you see 🙂

[modest kayak]

no no ofc not, i wasnt implying that

but then my last comparison is acc i guess. so take that with a grain of salt

but you can easily do triple stints on them before they hit 0%

its slow, and a horrible experience

but very possible

[weary stag]

I'm up for tweaking this but I'm all about it being data driven

[modest kayak]

ill send you some events when i notice it happening in races that i watch 😉

but the dpi double stinting irl is i think a lot more clear 😄

from an interview when gtp introduced the new tire rules some drivers looked back to dpi for example: "Sebastien Bourdais: “We’re looking at it. We tried to see what the tire evolution was like at the test in December. I don’t think it’s very different from what we had to do in DPi to be honest. We had to double-stint tires in DPi as well. We’re in a very similar scenario because the stints are a bit longer with the fuel that we have on board."

that is related to the dpi caddy, i can also find an interview related to the dpi acura

but i do not have actual numbers i am afraid

But i think that maybe the dpi tires should last at least around 100 minutes?

an map 3 that should be doable with 1 stop i think @rancid orchid you can shed a light on that i think?

[weary stag]

It was fun working out the fuel use for DPi, I came up with a load of tables like this to figure it all out using race timing reports from IMSA.
Unfortunately there is no official record of when cars change tyres.

Even this for fun - don't get excited it says Acura though

[modest kayak]

those stints are crazy short

but still i think that they didnt run their tires towards almost puncture

cause lets say they double stinted it to 65 mins, that doesnt mean that the tires are at 0%

but just not effective anymore

[modest kayak]

you cannot stop me get randomly excited 😛

[weary stag]

Yes, degridation vs wear

[modest kayak]

So... are you agreeing with me? 😮

[weary stag]

Yeah for sure. Quite often 'used' tyres get a second life on test days or with club racers so they're clearly not toast

[modest kayak]

I didnt know that actually

but will the dpi wear be tweaked a bit? 😄

[weary stag]

If there can be sound references behind it yes indeed

[modest kayak]

ah that will always be a bit challeging

but at least nice you are willing to look into it 🙂

[crimson abyss]

I generally think the tyre situation in RR is pretty good, the only thing I find slightly weird as a lay man is the quite rigid limit at 0%. Tyres usually function very well until 1%, then you hit that hard limit and you're guaranteed a puncture almost instantly

[modest kayak]

I think aside from some cars having a bit extreme wear the tires are fine, they allow for fun racing

[weary stag]

Things will get better, believe you me 😄

[modest kayak]

but yeah the 0% almost immidiate death hit is a bit odd

[modest kayak]

oeh 😄

[crimson abyss]

As a game design it's actually pretty good in a way, cuz you can drive to the numbers and that requires both a bit of skill and sometimes a bit of restraint. But I don't think Alex goes for purely game design solutions 😛

[modest kayak]

that is true, feels a bit like the gamefied acc pitstops 😛

I actually have no clue what happens if you hit 0% in ams2 or 3.0 wear in acc

presumably exactly the same

[crimson abyss]

Without ever having been in that situation, I suspect ACC has a more floating increased risk of punctures, and the very high risk likely comes way further into the 'tyre no longer really useable' territory than in RR

But then again, there are way more random punctures IRL 😛

[uneven echo]

u mean any specific car? i can remember some examples with folks driving 0% 🤔

[modest kayak]

ACC can deffo slap you with a random puncture tho

i dont know if rr can

[modest kayak]

you can, but the moment you go off track or lock the wheel you have an instant puncture

[crimson abyss]

I think it can. People in SCB have been mentioning very early punctures, but they must have done something to their tyres that I never have 😛

Cuz I've never had it

[uneven echo]

probably flat spots

[modest kayak]

maybe flatspotting it broken?

[uneven echo]

i can only think of me locking in gtr1 and continuing without puncture, but lets skip old physics 🫣

[weary stag]

Can confirm that one 😉

[modest kayak]

I have had it once in the dtm 2020, everything was perfectly fine. until i hit 0%. could continue for 2 laps, had a small slide and lost both fronts ><

[crimson abyss]

Again I haven't been in the 0% situation much myself, but I think it's kinda established wisdom that 0% equals almost guaranteed puncture within a couple of laps. Remember Georg streaming the Dubai race in 2021 and he got one pretty rapidly even when trying to drive super gently at 0%

[uneven echo]

wasnt also georg driving some special event with 0%? hmmm bathurst? 🤔

and managed to finish it

[untold crag]

puncture at 0% is really random

[crimson abyss]

Ah, Colin should actually be the expert of worn tyres 😄

[untold crag]

When I drove a Daytona Oval race with the Camaro, I was able to drive like 5 laps at 0% without anything happening at one instance, but another time when I tried it, I got a puncture almost instantly

speaking of wear, on some tracks you see very little drop-off with high wear. You're of course slower than with fresh tires but sometimes after 1/3 is left you dont see any change in pace after that

[uneven echo]

more wear=less weight, balances itself

[crimson abyss]

Yeah, noticed that with a lot of the car classes. GT3 is quite a notable exception though

But maybe tracks like Bathurst where cornering really isn't a major thing also makes it true for GT3

You don't wanna drive Suzuka with more worn tyres than necessary though

[rancid orchid]

With a bit of lifting and coasting and a few parts of a lap on map 3 you can extend one stint with 75 litres to last ~50 minutes with ease, so double stinting hard tires should be possible, depending on the track (not on Silverstone f.e.) and how aggressive you're driving.
On some tracks the mediums can last up to a full stint, if you nurse them a bit, but imho they're quite sketchy below 30% remaining tyre life...

[modest kayak]

yeah but i would think that a tire should never reach 0% it should at least be 20% cause i mean, the tire should be worn not absolutely destroyed

[rancid orchid]

If you're wondering how the strategy will be for the 2h at Road America, I'd say 3 stints on hards will be easy, even without fuel saving. If double stinting the tyres once is worth is yet to be discovered, as I haven't driven the DPi at Road America yet.
With some fuel saving on 2 stints with hards the third stint could be done on mediums, depending on the tyre wear

To be honest, I don't really think about the percentage the dash or the hud is showing for the tyre life that much... If the tyre is over 60% and I slowly get the feeling/fear I might lose more time trying to keep the car under control, that's usually where I think about pitting for new tyres.

[modest kayak]

oh yeah for sure, but for example the race we had i was wondering if trying a double stint tires would work

but there was noooo way to try that

but can that thing do 3 stints on fuel on ra?

quite surprised by that really 😄

if it was a 2.4 hr is was maybe a bit more interesting stopwise

[elfin crown]

Acuraaaaaaa 🤣

[modest kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/flood-pipe-gif-20209978

[rancid orchid]

75 litres/full tank lasts usually for 43-45 minutes without fuel saving, plus you'll lose about 2-4 minutes in the pit lane for a two stop

[modest kayak]

Good point, you sharing all the secrets;)

[rancid orchid]

Secrets...

🤯

I'm so dumb

Uncovering all my strategies 🥲

[rancid orchid]

I wouldn't call them secrets, don't worry 😅
If you look at my race history since the release of the DPi, you might notice that it's just based on the experience I got through all these DPi races

Also, I don't think I'll make split 1, most like split 2, and there I might win, but only if I don't mess up like i usually do rather than on strategy

[elfin crown]

Hope there will be a split between dpis... To make sure a min of 10 /12 per race

Haven't check it all yet

[modest kayak]

It really depends. I presume gtr3 to be very popular

I would be very surprised to see more than 20 dpi total over all the splits

So let's hope they will keep all of those in split 1 and 2

So we dont have a 1 car dpi field and stuff

[elfin crown]

If it is the idea (multiclass) at least first splits should divide us to guarantee that

[rancid orchid]

That's what I suggested @next pivot, when we had a brief discussion about a Paul Ricard special event due to LeMans24h, but then the Nürburgring Event happened

[elfin crown]

Yup

[modest kayak]

Yeah I really think we could be split 1 @rancid orchid

[rancid orchid]

"we"

If you want to race on your birthday that is

[modest kayak]

Yeah yeah

My gf thinks it is fine

[rancid orchid]

She's a good one

Have the championship grids been limited to 30 or more players per split?

Because 8 DPi and 22 GTR3 could be fine already

That way we could (could) get the top 3 split to have a nice DPi grid

10 per split would be even better

[modest kayak]

we have to ask @next pivot for that 😄

I have only done this combo very far back in the day with p2/gtr3

[next pivot]

12-14 dpi's

[rancid orchid]

Wow

[modest kayak]

that sounds extremely unreasoble 😄

[rancid orchid]

Does it?

[next pivot]

20-22 gt3

[rancid orchid]

So about 34 cars per grid

[next pivot]

yeah, 34-36

[modest kayak]

I dont think p2 even pulled that number in split one back in the day, and there are free cars in there

[rancid orchid]

Gotta throw out some vrp for the DPi winners in the top 3 splits to get players into it 😂

[modest kayak]

and change the default setup pls

[next pivot]

it's possible some grids have less, but for the first 2 splits it's almost guaranteed. split 3-7 might have a few servers with only gt3's

[rancid orchid]

I know, I think there were between 8 and 10 p2s

[modest kayak]

I lied, there were 12p2s

however

[rancid orchid]

I thought of it more from the pov that we don't run 3 classes for the race, so more than just half a dozen prototypes seemed reasonable

[modest kayak]

one of them was gasgas, so doesnt count

[rancid orchid]

[modest kayak]

I managed to get 9th with the z4

amazing drive if i say so myself

[rancid orchid]

I smell 🇧🇪

That kind of reads like you managed to get p9 in a field of p2s while driving the z4

[modest kayak]

loool

yes clearly i did 😛

[rancid orchid]

@next pivot if the winner in the DPi grids gets a livery with his name, @modest kayak would give his absolute best

[modest kayak]

I would hack

[next pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-futurama-scruffy-gif-20750885

[rancid orchid]

🇧🇪

[modest kayak]

I WANT PROVE

[rancid orchid]

That's what they all say

After they got the hammer

[modest kayak]

I asked it before already

i am special

[rancid orchid]

Aren't we all special?

And if we all are special, no one is

[modest kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-will-smith-gif-18323173

anyone driving smthng tonight btw?

[rancid orchid]

🫵

[modest kayak]

I think so yes

[rancid orchid]

I won't promise

Depending on the time I'll be available I might just start to practice the freedom streets with my beloved 4-cylinder

[modest kayak]

ah i wanted to try the koeinseggeegeegsegsegsegggg at zolder maybe

[rancid orchid]

Who's holding you back?

[modest kayak]

potential being with strangers on track

[rancid orchid]

Just start from the back, survive lap one, overtake everyone who spins out, be fast

Just kidding

If I'll be available, I'm in for some GTR1 at Zolder

[modest kayak]

Its actually a rollercoaster ride when alone

i can only imagine being on track with people that are even half capable

[elfin crown]

8 should be the minimum objective

But 12 and rest gt3s would be AWESOME

[modest kayak]

I agree, well as long as the field is remotely close 😄

not that we have 2200 and 1200 rated in there

[rancid orchid]

I don't think that'll happen

[next pivot]

for the first 2 servers that shouldn't happen

but it is possible that a lower grid of dpi's is skipping a (few) server(s) to make sure there aren't fast gt3's having to drive around slow dpi's 😅

[modest kayak]

there is really only 1 corner i think where the dpi is relying on mechanical grip, so i think people need to exceptionally sh't to be annoying for gt3

[rancid orchid]

The top DPis should lap about 20 faster than the top GTR3s
I doubt anyone will be top or second split with the DPi doing 2+ minutes per lap

[modest kayak]

yeah but for example at silverstone the lap was a lot quicker than gtr3 as well

but

in t3/4 the dpi were a lot slower if the driver didnt have a lot of control

i think at ra there are not really such zones

[rancid orchid]

Only t5 could be trouble tbh

[untold crag]

t7...

[modest kayak]

yeah i agree, that is the only corner where df is quite low

[modest kayak]

that is full send in the dpi really

[rancid orchid]

Most other corners the DPi can roll so much speed through

[modest kayak]

maybe t8 as well?

[rancid orchid]

Might be

[modest kayak]

but its not a two following corners at least

like at silver

[untold crag]

yeah but a lot of crashes will happen there with multiclass

[modest kayak]

where the car is just a pain and the gt3 are quicker

[rancid orchid]

But honestly, RA features so many straights, nothing like Maggotts and Becketts

[modest kayak]

yeah that is true, I hope most people just stay calm

[untold crag]

I dont think people will @neat hinge tbh

[rancid orchid]

[modest kayak]

A shame

[rancid orchid]

@neat hinge and play Factorio

[modest kayak]

I still think the multiclass behavior in rr is exceptionally bad 😄

both faster and slower classes

[neat hinge]

that do be what i do

[rancid orchid]

What you did, now you're on twitter

[neat hinge]

now im noyt

[rancid orchid]

20h? 🤯🤯🤯

[neat hinge]

left it running lol

[rancid orchid]

Don't people close their games nowadays?

[neat hinge]

depends what mood i in

[rancid orchid]

[rancid orchid]

@modest kayak if I can race today, I'd suggest we do the GTR1 race starting at 21:40-21:45 (server starts at 21:00, race will be over at ~22:15) and the following DPi race starting at 22:50 (server starting at 22:00, race will be over at ~23:55)

[modest kayak]

I think i can make the gtr1 race

i havent practiced the dpi one tho, so if i am unable to find any time to do so i might skip that

cause i still dont really naturally understand that car

[rancid orchid]

(as always, no promises on my end)

Well, we could jump in the practice and qualifying session and see how it goes

[modest kayak]

yeah that is true

[elfin crown]

Love it

[gloomy quarry]

Who added this?

[untold crag]

J-F sponateously

[gloomy quarry]

When this?

[gloomy quarry]

I guess that's... Fehr enough

[untold crag]

animated ones are only for nitro people :(

[gloomy quarry]

get Nitro then

[rancid orchid]

#💬│general message
That's how it started

[gloomy quarry]

Ah

interesting

[rancid orchid]

Basically he dropped "Fehr enough" in a convo, I asked "custom emoji when", few minutes later he turned up with

[gloomy quarry]

I've seen it yeah

So I basically gotta Tag him

Do something good

And then:

official Emoji

Still love Dennis for this

[modest kayak]

I should be able to make that pretty sure now

anyone else cares to join?

[rancid orchid]

As I said, no promises, but I I can join, I will

[nocturne silo]

I will be there for the gtr1 race too

[modest kayak]

gtr1 was a bit busted

in historic pcup now

[barren seal]

Anyone interested in tonights race?

[modest kayak]

I cant make that

Might be able tomorrow

[gloomy quarry]

Before you ask me - No I will not be able to race

[rancid orchid]

Geez, get well soon!

Drilled a hole in your hand or some nasty cut?

[gloomy quarry]

Cut myself on my cars roofline

[rancid orchid]

Ouch

Why would you want to do that?

[gloomy quarry]

Like of all the stuff Ive done so far it had to happen while putting in the Sunroof Block

If you'd have asked me on the morning where I will most likely hurt myself I'd have said anything but this, most likely on installing the short shifter

but no that would be to boring

[barren seal]

Akward place for a cut..could be a long healing. Stitches?

[gloomy quarry]

Nah they glued it

And basically I smashed my hand on a sharp metal edge

[hoary radish]

@untold crag @modest kayak @rancid orchid

zolder gt1

@opaque dew

all of you

[modest kayak]

I cant today 😦

[opaque dew]

Was on a holidays for a few days, might be able to join tonight at 21:00.

[modest kayak]

9 should be doable

i am also thinking about trying the dpi combo tho

[cloud granite]

I’m up to turn up with a DPI at RA today

[opaque dew]

GTR1 21:00 then?

[modest kayak]

I'm afraid I got to bail this time

[rancid orchid]

I think I can make both DPi races today, the second one I'll make for sure

[rancid orchid]

So I just had a DPi race at Road America featuring 5 DPi and 7 GTR3 at the start of the race, with 2 or retirements, but noone left after qualifying

Anyone in for the second race?

Btw. For the 60 minute race it's easy to do the full race on one set of hards and just refuel ~35 litres

[untold crag]

I can do a race

[rancid orchid]

[opaque dew]

When does the race start? 22:50?

[rancid orchid]

Yes

[opaque dew]

Hm, will try to join in time.

[rancid orchid]

sweet

[rancid orchid]

10 minutes

[untold crag]

is that with EM5?

[untold crag]

stop for mediums is interesting, you were quite a bit faster

[rancid orchid]

Map 5 all the way, close to none fuel saving at all

[opaque dew]

What a race ... 😳

[rancid orchid]

Second race I did both stints on mediums

[untold crag]

ik

the difference wasnt really noticable to me until we both spun and were close again

[rancid orchid]

Did you save fuel on your second stint? Because the race was one lap longer than the one I did before

[untold crag]

I would have had to save fuel if I took 35l, but I took 40L just incase

[rancid orchid]

I thought most of the time, geez, even on the faster tyre I'm not a threat to Colin...

[rancid orchid]

Same

I always end up with one additional lap of fuel

[opaque dew]

I think I learned something tonight - when you are leading for like 15 seconds, you don't need to go for a fastest lap every lap. 😅

[opaque dew]

DPi+GTR3@RA tonight?
20:00 🕗
22:00 🕙
NO! 🐰

[next pivot]

maybe @blissful garden ?

[opaque dew]

maybe @next pivot ?

[blissful garden]

i will do the 22 one

even the 20 if enough people are in

[opaque dew]

I'll do both.

Both are good. 😁

[opaque dew]

Copy, paste and do a bit of editing:

DPi+GTR3@RA tonight?
18:00 🕕
20:00 🕗
22:00 🕙
NO! 🐰

[next pivot]

20:00 - 27 drivers 😮 noice

[sly siren]

Note to self: Don't even think about braking with dirty tyres

[normal fractal]

Just don't brake at all, otherwise you'll be slower...

[blissful garden]

were you or Sven that made an overtake like Hakkinen on Schumacher? 😂

[normal fractal]

Paul, are you still running keyboard and mouse?

[blissful garden]

yes

just got a new mouse yesterday

[sly siren]

I don't remember a move like that, but there were so many sketchy moments, that I can't be sure

[normal fractal]

Why not a wheellllll 😅

Really curious to see how fast you'll be

[blissful garden]

i will go to college in october

[untold crag]

wheel would have been the better option tho

[sly siren]

I don't expect it to be much faster thb

[normal fractal]

wheel >>>>> college

[blissful garden]

i do, especially where i need to trail brake or just apply a small amount of throttle

but not 1s, somewhere like 0.2-0.5

[untold crag]

and way more consistent probably

[sly siren]

0.2s sounds realistic. Switching from controller to wheel gave me pretty much nothing apart from consistency. But mouse probably a bit more of a disadvantage

[normal fractal]

Mouse is fine (well, no, but it's usable)

The problem is using keys as pedals

[untold crag]

people can be pretty quick with mouse, think of Mukonin (or however he is spelt)

[normal fractal]

Isn't it some other guy?

[blissful garden]

im going to tell my parents this

[normal fractal]

The one with the much longer name, who has some yt vids

[alpine shadow]

That was me

[untold crag]

oh right, Mukonin is a different guy, but the names are similar

[blissful garden]

i shat my pants

[normal fractal]

Ok, there's Mukimov

[alpine shadow]

I was also slightly scared

[normal fractal]

But there's also someone else

Let me find him, 1 sec

[blissful garden]

but nice move 👏

[untold crag]

could we see a replay of the move 👀 ?

[blissful garden]

sure

[cloud granite]

I’m sorry for my rejoin turn 1, lap 1
Race was over at the start…

[opaque dew]

Using P1 as a sweeper (was a lap down due a tiny mistake with a great consequence) is a big brain time. 😅
https://streamable.com/db1aau

[blissful garden]

nice pace as well

[opaque dew]

At least something. 🤪

[blissful garden]

https://youtu.be/SHn0815xewQ

[normal fractal]

Nenad Vladisavljevic

[blissful garden]

do you drive the default setup? i want to try the porsche as well

[opaque dew]

close to, a few changes here and there

[blissful garden]

how are the brakes compared to 991.2? i know that you can brake so late in it

[opaque dew]

They brake, yes, that's what they do. I don't know really, I always felt that you can be super late and precise with 911, no matter the generation.

[opaque dew]

Copy, pasta:

DPi+GTR3@RA tonight?
18:00 🕕
20:00 🕗
22:00 🕙
NO! 🐰

[rancid orchid]

🍝 for passing today

[barren seal]

I will join if I am not dead when I get home from work.😅

[rancid orchid]

Why die in real life when you can die in T1?

[barren seal]

That is always something to look forward to🤣
I would rather do t1 at Monza then on RA.
It is very tricky

@opaque dew what is your race pace on RA?

[opaque dew]

Hm, hard to tell, but can do low to mid 2:06s. Best lap in race that is.

The problem is that when it comes to a qualifying I somehow forget how to drive so I always pay the price at the beginning of the race. 😬

As it can be easily seen from gain/lose places in my profile.

[rancid orchid]

Don't qualify then, easy fix (at least for the lost pace during qualifying sessions)

[opaque dew]

So you want me to start even lower than I do now? 🤔

[barren seal]

I have the same issues sometimes. 😅
But I am struggling at RA a lot more than usual.
Just can't find the pace ,rhytm.
I do mid to high 06s in the race.
But my best qually is not far ftom that. Can't seem to get it into 05s.

[opaque dew]

Yesterday I was close to, but was running in a slipstream behind Rui with a 20 minutes fresher tires.

But mid 2:06s are still possible in normal circumstances.

[rancid orchid]

Usually qualy is harder for me if I'm tryharding af and constantly invalidate my laps

If I try to do race pace, it works well

[opaque dew]

The problem I have is that I don't really bother too much about starting position in a 60 minute race. I should, but I don't. I normally just go for a one flying lap at the end of qualifying and run wide at the moment its too late to do another lap. 😂

[barren seal]

Yeah I saw that on a video you posted.
Rui is fast ..you being in his slipstream ,regardless of tires is amazing.
I guess I will have to work on the setup some more..and try some different lines..especialy in that never ending right corner( carousel?)
I think that is where I lose the most.

[opaque dew]

It's Carousel, yes.

[rancid orchid]

Same here, I usually go full fuel and the tyres I want to start on after I did one or two laps on qualy mode

[rancid orchid]

Such a weird corner

[opaque dew]

With a faster DPi behind even more.

[rancid orchid]

Nah, then it's straight up dangerous

[opaque dew]

mhm 🤕

[grave seal]

If I can I'm going to be there at 18:00

[grave seal]

Right, I'll also be there for the 22:00 race.

[opaque dew]

Might join, didn't decide yet.

[blissful garden]

well, that was a weird race

[opaque dew]

Mhm, being brake tested by a car I was about to lap was cherry on top of the cake.

Ah, ~1400 rating, why am I surprised?

Apart from that it was all fine - had a very good qualifying lap (for once) and then a solid race pace without mayor mistakes. Not enough to keep up with you Paul and Anton, but more than enough to stay where I started.

[blissful garden]

Anton was really weird

he had pace just when he was behind me

and he woudlnt overtake

[untold crag]

what a kind person, I wish everyone was like that

[opaque dew]

He even said something like: "I won't overtake you!"

😅

I think he could keep up with you in a slipstream and would struggle too much without it. Or he was afraid of me. 🤪

No wonder after that T1 send.

[blissful garden]

"team orders"

[opaque dew]

Hey Anton, it's James!

[barren seal]

I will have to skip this one ,I am too tired for an 1h race. Good luck ,and have fun!

[grave seal]

Thanks!

Bruh, again, really?

[opaque dew]

And P1! 🥳

[grave seal]

Why does no one want to race with DPis?

[opaque dew]

No idea.

[untold crag]

cuz gt3 is the other option

[grave seal]

Counterpoint: prototypes around Road America are a blast.

[untold crag]

yeah for sure, but people generally choose the easier option

[sly siren]

I actually find the dpi easier to drive here than the bentley I drove for the ranked championship. People are just scared of the dpi

[rancid orchid]

• GT3 is just too popular compared to raceroom's other great content

[sly siren]

That's also true. I'm allost forced to mostly race them, even when they are not my favourite cars at all

[modest kayak]

isnt the default setup for the dpi a bit sketchy tho, that might scare people away as well

[rancid orchid]

Also true

[alpine shadow]

I really didn't find the default setup that bad on Road America

[rancid orchid]

I did only drive the default setup for the first few days since the DPi's been released

But most of the prototypes seem to need some basic clicks on the setup and, most important, an adjusted driving style compared to GT3s and other cars

[modest kayak]

yeah, i mostly found that a bit more preload made the car a lot easier if you accidentially overdrive it

which is something that i do A LOT

and i think a lot of other people as wel

[rancid orchid]

You can't go into slow corners as hot as in ABS cars, and locking the rears is quite easy, if you're not used to it

[modest kayak]

ofc, but i lost the car mostly by just trying the slow the car down more than it wanted while turning. It had very little to do with locking, just the rear stepping out very easily on low preload

[rancid orchid]

(I wasn't talking about your disability to get the DPi into corners, but more about people trying those prototypes for the first time)

[alpine shadow]

like every prototype needs higher preload and diff coast than on default

[modest kayak]

hmmm, you think it is mostly abs related?

could be, christian shares that thought

[modest kayak]

I guess the lms ultra is a prototype as well

[rancid orchid]

No, but people need to adjust, you can't drive every car like a gt3

[rancid orchid]

No, that car is a sexy shtboxx

Slightly bipolar, probably

[alpine shadow]

the ultra is so strange now

[modest kayak]

true, I am surprised by how much easier the dpi in ams2 is tho. it is NOTHING alike

[rancid orchid]

Simcade detected! 🔨

[modest kayak]

yeah i am not a massive fan of it anymore, but i have been slowly doing some setup things to it making it a bit better

[modest kayak]

I have no clue tbh, it just seems a lot more stable in corners, the df dropoff is less extreme. Still very spinnable, but different

[rancid orchid]

I have yet to try ams2 V1.5 tbh

[alpine shadow]

the rr dpi feels pretty natural to drive but I also have no idea how it should drive

[rancid orchid]

Might do that during the weekend

[rancid orchid]

Agreed

[modest kayak]

It feels very similar, maybe a bit more pointy

I like them both, but they feel like very different classes

[rancid orchid]

In the end they're an interpretation ot the real life thing in their respective engines and physics environments, so I don't think it's necessarily bad, it's just the fact that ams2 hasn't clicked on me yet (but, to be Fehr, raceroom is my bar for other driving sims, which takes quite some time until I'm happy with other sims)

I loved the lmp2 cars in PC2 to be honest, they felt great

[modest kayak]

In general i kinda feel the engine differences between different games. for example the gt3 in rr, acc, and ams2 are just different flavors of the same thing. You can feel the differences, but also that they attempt to aim for the same thing. But those dpi cars do not feel like they aimed for the same thing 😄

[rancid orchid]

Could it be, that most cars might feel similar, as long as they rely on mechanical grip for the most part, and high downforce alters the equation resulting in greater differences between f.e. the DPi cars between sims?

[modest kayak]

possibly, the dpi in rr just feels like it is very unforgiving once the df dies

while the ams2 one can be thrown around a bit

I think the ams2 one makes for better racing, while the rr one is a lot more rewarding to drive

[blissful garden]

@rancid orchid when are you racing again?

[rancid orchid]

Maybe tomorrow, no promises

[blissful garden]

good, because i will race dpi

[rancid orchid]

Nice

I did both races on Monday (2000 and 2200), but I'll probably only race the 2000 slot from now on, especially during the week

[blissful garden]

still trying to figure out that rear stepping out in heavy braking

[rancid orchid]

If you need a setup, some are flying around here

[modest kayak]

give it a wall of preload

[blissful garden]

i gave it 305

still to low?

[modest kayak]

eeehm, good question

<

[blissful garden]

😂

[rancid orchid]

While you're still on the brakes or are completely off the brakes?

[blissful garden]

off

[rancid orchid]

Engine brake reduction to 20

[blissful garden]

oh wow

i had it on 8

[rancid orchid]

And a bit more coasting through corners

[blissful garden]

i have coast at maximum

[rancid orchid]

The brakes are prtty shtty

[rancid orchid]

I meant "rolling through corners" as in lifting and coasting 😅

[blissful garden]

oh ok

thanks for the tips 😄

[rancid orchid]

No worries 😅

But they're only good, if they help you out

@blissful garden if you want to, I'll share the setup I was using on Monday, when I'm home

Should be possible to do that in time, so you can practice it a bit, in case you want to race tonight

[alpine shadow]

this is the setup I was using on Wednesday

[rancid orchid]

Strategy is either hards to medium after 35-40 minutes or double stinting hards with only refueling ~35-40L, no fuel saving needed, two stints on fresh mediums should be possible, but might get pretty sketchy

[modest kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/learning-reading-baby-reading-intense-reading-gif-8642186

ah yes share your setups

i might need them as well

[rancid orchid]

Imagine reading

[sly siren]

Why not just 2 times mediums?

Was easy for me

[rancid orchid]

Haven't tried it

I'm also not a sorcerer

[sly siren]

It only got slower, but not even much more difficult to control

[blissful garden]

thank you, but for the moment i got one that did myself, dont know how fast i am compared to Sven or Marvin but im pretty closed to Denis on leaderboard

[rancid orchid]

I haven't set a leaderboard time, might do that though

[blissful garden]

how easy? didnt it get sketchy at the end?

[rancid orchid]

Then it's an issue on my end. When I did the race at Watkins Glen and tried to stick to Colin (I would've gone for 3 30 minute stints, always fresh mediums), I bottled it pretty often after 20 minutes into a stint. I get rather nervous when my tyres fall below 20% and I begin to worry if I can make it to the pits in one piece

[sly siren]

30 minutes was no problem at all. Only got a little bit difficult when I extended the stint further

Tyres don't get below 20% in a 30 minute stint anyway

[opaque dew]

I did 1h30min race on a two set of medium in a DPi so 2x30min should be easily possible.

[rancid orchid]

Then double mediums might be the way to go.
If you double stint one set of hards you save ~30 seconds in the pits. Add a bit of luck with traffic and two sets of mediums and one sets of hards could be really close for a 60 minute race

[opaque dew]

Might even try a DPi tonight/tomorrow .

[rancid orchid]

Heavily track dependent, I'd say

Watkins Glen seem to be more harsh on the tyres than road America

[blissful garden]

you want to punt instead of being punted? 😂

[rancid orchid]

#1121428175210152058 message
Following that discussion, we could think about what we want to race on the next schedule

[blissful garden]

didnt expect that

[modest kayak]

I still want to do a gtr1 on this scheduele tbh 😛

[rancid orchid]

Isn't there a competition running?

[blissful garden]

i dont know, just doing normal leaderboard

[rancid orchid]

Copy

[blissful garden]

it is, for the 2h event

[rancid orchid]

I don't want to publicly shame anyone, but I'm honestly curious how a valid lap using the DPi at Road America with a laptime of 3:38.159 looks...
Currently p298, last place on the competition lb

[uneven echo]

might be done on purpose

[rancid orchid]

While the Mackenbergs lead the competition with 1:48

[grave seal]

Or, the constantly lock up the rear and keep on spinning.

[rancid orchid]

You think so?

[uneven echo]

well, i did plenty of laps like that

[rancid orchid]

3+ minutes of locking and spinning without invalidating the laptime?

[grave seal]

It's not impossible if you try hard enough.

[rancid orchid]

Okay, genuine question: why?
Because I have no clue, honestly

[uneven echo]

well, before i was a tester i was doing bad laps in free comps to keep rank lower

but in my case its also possible, if i test something (eg limits) and dont invalidate

[rancid orchid]

Okay, that makes sense

Driving slowly to spot places where the limits might be off

[uneven echo]

in someone else's case its also possible they did it so some dude on discord would bring it up

[rancid orchid]

Possible

Some dudes are weird

Got nothing else to worry about

[uneven echo]

or maybe they were driving in reverse

[rancid orchid]

That would be fun I guess

[uneven echo]

first 10 seconds

[rancid orchid]

Racing requires commitment

Anyway, thanks for answering my question 👍

@modest kayak i might be able to do today's 2100 GTR1 race

(with zero practice)

[modest kayak]

I might be as well, but my gf has migraines atm, so either she is knocked out at that time. which would be great for me making the race, or she is half dying somewhere in the house and needs assistance 😅

[rancid orchid]

Kinda same here

Depends when my wife will go to bed

[grave seal]

Ngl this is pretty good, shaved off half a second from my previous time.

[high fulcrum]

well no

in my experience no

[grave seal]

While default setup is fine, higher preload helps.

[high fulcrum]

yh, but I don't agree with higher diff coast

every prototype is different

[grave seal]

Anyone available at RA today? Preferrably in the DPi class.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[opaque dew]

👋

But for P20:00 and P22:00.

Just did a few laps in a DPi.

Only crashed once. No idea if that is a good or bad sign.

[rancid orchid]

Depends...
How many corners did you manage before spinning?

[opaque dew]

3 laps

is that good?

lol 😄

Pace wasnt that bad - after around 3-4 laps I did one low fuel run and it was 1:49.5

Not very fast, but no slow as hell. 😄

[grave seal]

Yeah, not bad.

[rancid orchid]

Into t3 (first left hander)?

[high fulcrum]

does the DPi have TC?

[rancid orchid]

Yes

No abs

[high fulcrum]

np

for me

[rancid orchid]

Good for you 👌

[opaque dew]

That's T5. 😜

[rancid orchid]

Gomenasai

[opaque dew]

No, last corner, too much curb.

[rancid orchid]

I'd suggest you attack the last corner less aggressive. Taking to much of the inside curb might result in a spin.
You don't want to spin

[opaque dew]

It was the outside one. 😅

[rancid orchid]

I'd suggest you attack the last corner less aggressive. Taking to much of the exit curb might result in a spin.
You don't want to spin

[opaque dew]

Tnx m8! 👍

[rancid orchid]

Happy to help

[blissful garden]

@opaque dew you should watch my gravel trap adventure 😂

@rancid orchid now i understand why you like the dpi so much

[opaque dew]

@blissful garden you shouldn't watch my lock-up right before the end of the race 😅

apart from that it went well

only shame for that love tap with @high fulcrum and then his lock-up into T5 (T5 Michael, not T3) ...

[blissful garden]

what was that when you lapped the vette? you scared the shvt out of me

[opaque dew]

I scared the shvt out of myself

lol

and him, probably

OK, that was the second thing (well, thirty technically) that wasn't the best 🫣

[high fulcrum]

I missed the braking point

[opaque dew]

yeah, and defend so late I couldn't do much more that give you a little extra boost 😬

[blissful garden]

i loved the fact that all of us locked up in t2

didnt expect that tbh

[opaque dew]

but I think it wasnt that bad and we were just to fast into the corner

[high fulcrum]

and I had love tap, that ended up in a collision

@opaque dew

[opaque dew]

Hm, looks like we didn't make a contact after all. We just locked up and went wide.

[high fulcrum]

@opaque dew we did

[grave seal]

Any DPis for the 22:00 race?

[high fulcrum]

btw I gained only rep

[high fulcrum]

no sry

[grave seal]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

Dollar store Kyalami?

THERE IS ANOTHER DPi YES!

[opaque dew]

Hm, maybe? Maybe not ...

[untold crag]

I dont rember Vos being from SA

[untold crag]

Kid named leaving after quali:

[opaque dew]

Yeah, if we did, it was only slightest as we both tried to prevent it (as seen from your input).

[rancid orchid]

Thoughts? Anyway, happy you're having fun with the DPi 🍻

[grave seal]

And another one 👀

[rancid orchid]

I hope they'll still be there when the race starts
Also, sorry for not racing today

[grave seal]

It's fine, dw.

And yeah, I hope that too.

[opaque dew]

Be careful, there are weird things going on in the camp! 🥴

[rancid orchid]

Even if they won't, have fun with the car! Every person enjoying the DPi is a great person

Good night, guys, see you around

[grave seal]

Lol

[untold crag]

I have seen Michael Schumacher once on a Brotherops server

[grave seal]

I hate you, that happened.

[untold crag]

oof

commentators curse

[grave seal]

Ok, another DPi joined.

I think I'm not going to qualify so I can actually race someone.

[opaque dew]

And another will.

[grave seal]

Because if I qualify I'm going to do a 1:48 lol

[opaque dew]

You won't.

[grave seal]

Bruh lol we have the same livery.

[opaque dew]

Teammates! Now don't crash into me!

Britney Rosberg 😛

[grave seal]

How can I crash into you if you are constantly behind me? 😛

Bruh someone else with the same exact livery joined lol.

[opaque dew]

No idea, you will have to find a way. Or better not find it?!

[opaque dew]

3 cars per team?!

[grave seal]

Looks like it.

YOOOOO WE'RE 5 NOW!

[untold crag]

nice

[blissful garden]

i like to drive it, its really fun

[earnest vigil]

Sorry I wasnt really on pace yet today. Also struggled really in Canada Corner. Think I spun like 6 or 7 times there, and almost all other laps I still took some track limits there. But I was a bit confused by the strategy of you and @opaque dew, you both changed tyres, medium medium?

[grave seal]

Yeah, Medium -> Medium.

Don't know which is faster between that and one stint with hards.

Sure as hell you can't double stint the mediums unless you are a magician with tyres.

[opaque dew]

Yes, medium/medium.

I think hard might even last a whole race?!

[earnest vigil]

Really thought you were on the hards as well, as the pace in normal laps was about equal

[opaque dew]

Even mediums could (apart from FL).

[earnest vigil]

Yeah, I did the race on 1 set of hards

[opaque dew]

Or maybe not, but 45-50 min is possible.

[earnest vigil]

It will be very interesting for 2 hours, maybe fuel saving on hards might be worth it. But have not done any testing yet. When I joined I did not even know there were multiple compounds 😅

[elfin crown]

mediums can do 25 minute racing no problem at map 5. So... it is about to do 95 min on mediums saving a bit 47 & 47 min. Nothing impossible going on map 4/3 i think.

[opaque dew]

25?

45*

After 35 minutes they were still on 35 percents.

So yeah, 45-50min stint is possible. 1h might be a bit much, but for a 2h race medium/medium/medium is an option.

[rancid orchid]

Fuel wise a 2 stop is needed anyway, so it'll be the fastest to do as many stints on mediums as possible

Only other option would be a first stop only refueling and double stinting hards, to switch to mediums on a second stop and refueling

[elfin crown]

There is still 35 but car drives really bad and "suprise" can come on every corner

[rancid orchid]

@modest kayak if you want to we could do the GTR1 race in 30 minutes and the DPi race afterwards

[modest kayak]

I cant today. We have company over

Yesterday was my race day

And I wiped the floor at historic pcup 🙂

[rancid orchid]

Good for you! 😅

Sorry, I couldn't make it yesterday

[modest kayak]

Yeah no worries

Gl today

[rancid orchid]

Thanks mate 🍻

Have a nice rest of the evening

[cloud granite]

So, Kodi was trolling everyone before the race, he and Rokus completed it on one set of mediums???

I was seeing them pacing themselves, but I couldn’t believe how much tyre saving and fuel for Kodi was possible

[grave seal]

I mean, he's Kodi Nikola Latkovski for a reason.

[earnest vigil]

Hards

And he was fuel saving and relaxing big time behind me. He could go 3 laps longer on fuel i think

[cloud granite]

Oh, bloody results screen was showing everyone on mediums at the end!

[earnest vigil]

Weird

[cloud granite]

He did 24 laps, right?

[earnest vigil]

I didnt count :p

But something like that I guess

[cloud granite]

I’m pretty ashamed for missing 2 consecutive braking points while lapping GTs and keeping an eye on the mirror because of you guys🫣

[earnest vigil]

That was such a crazy lap

[grave seal]

@rancid orchid I won't lie.

I got very lucky there.

[rancid orchid]

i got killed twice within 50 seconds

[grave seal]

I did bin it after the pits.

Cold tyres almost always catch me off guard.

[rancid orchid]

had my hopes up there again

[rancid orchid]

they often do, common mistke

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxA8-DwHYb9SpsXBnOLVDeHnj4mHuqHonP

[grave seal]

Man that was a dive and a half.

[rancid orchid]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxoQbXFLUp_eF0fnJ2NeeokGFMGyEPVcJw

[grave seal]

Oof

[rancid orchid]

without the time loss of these incidents i would've won by a few seconds, i think

anyway, congrats mate!

[grave seal]

Thanks.

Such is multiclass.

[rancid orchid]

that corvette was kinda hilarious

but that dpi takedown had me furious

glad you cant see all the 🖕 i was throwing around

[grave seal]

Bartalos did brake at the 300 board btw.

100 later than normal.

[rancid orchid]

he made some questionable moves imho

[blissful garden]

is it faster to pace yourself on hards and dont pit?

[cloud granite]

It isn’t “not pitting”, rather saving the 30 second tyre change, that seems the op strat. To pull it, it only takes lapping on the 1:50s on hards, which I personally can’t do yet

[earnest vigil]

@grave seal will you drive dpi tonight at 18 or maybe 20? Not sure yet if I can join at 20

[grave seal]

I'm currently at my aunt's birthday, and at 20 I'm eating dinner.

At most I can race at 22.

[crimson abyss]

Hm, I'll give this DPi a shot on the LB

And see what the hype is about

Them GTX races are getting a bit one-dimensional 😛

Wtf, how bad are the brakes in this thing

[grave seal]

As in, long braking distances or locking the rear?

[crimson abyss]

Need to brake one board earlier than in GT3s

And why am I only P50 after putting in a very tidy lap? Are people generally amazing in this car?

[normal fractal]

you're just generally not amazing in this car
joking, don't take me seriously

[crimson abyss]

You're probably not wrong 😛

Default feels okay, but probably not fast. But I refuse to believe that 50 people have managed to improve massively on the default setup

So it smells like skill issue

AHHH!!! Now I think I understand. Default is map 3 😂

I guess 50 people have managed to increase it to 5

[grave seal]

I mean, you are going 50+ km/h faster than GT3s, if not more.

[crimson abyss]

But brakes should be scaled accordingly. Will probably be worse when I notch it up to map 5 😛

[grave seal]

Also, did you check your tyre compound so that you are on mediums rather than hards?

[crimson abyss]

Locked to medium

[grave seal]

I see, good.

[crimson abyss]

But only 2 seconds off P1 on map 3 is maybe not a disaster after all

After like 5 laps of trying this

Default feels so much better here than it did for the few laps I tried at Silverstone earlier

[grave seal]

Enjoy your 48s then.

[untold crag]

are you able to change that on the leaderboard? 🤨

[crimson abyss]

Yes

I was initially slower on map 5 😅 😭

[untold crag]

interesting... that wasnt possible back when the car was introduced. The first Daytona comp was only with em3. But this was probably an oversight then.

[crimson abyss]

But after adjusting to more iffy power application, it was a good second quicker

[grave seal]

What lap times are you doing?

[earnest vigil]

I just had my worst race ever, 36 inc points after 2 laps...

And after that I got caught up in spins from other people and terrible rejoins

got to 60 point with 10 minutes to go...

[crimson abyss]

First few random setup clicks was another half a sec faster 🥳

[untold crag]

"random", aha

[sly siren]

Always pretending that he doesn't know what he is doing with his setups, but in the end getting a great result

[grave seal]

Anyone tonight for Road America? In either class is fine.

[crimson abyss]

The DPi is extremely frustrating. No matter what you do, it never feels like you're actually doing well

Got a good position on the LB, but I feel like I'm driving it like a pepega, and my setup feels very lacking too

There's quite an attainable P2 if I don't mess up everything all the time

[untold crag]

it took my a lot of time at Daytona to get comfortable with the car. Its not a car that you can just drive like other cars in RR, its very unique in that sense.

[grave seal]

Huh, odd.

I actually find myself quite comfortable with the DPi.

[untold crag]

as comfortable as with a gt3?

[grave seal]

I'm not really that comfortable with a GT3 😅

Although, depends on the car, but overall I like prototypes better.

[untold crag]

I will drive some more dpi races again once im home and find some time to race

I havent really had a big fight yet

[crimson abyss]

Yeah, it could be the DF that messes with my head. I never felt like I nailed a single corner, and still I'm not that far off P1

[untold crag]

I mean yeah, it just doesnt really feel rewarding. Going fast just means you're at the limit of the grip at all times. But thats too difficult to do all the time so your brain thinks you arent doing things perfectly

[crimson abyss]

The window between over-rotating it into a corner and under-rotating it is so narrow

But maybe my setup approach is all wrong, I don't know

At least now the Z4 at Brands Hatch is gonna feel much more rewarding 😄

[normal fractal]

Sounds like a skill issue to me

But the other way round 😎

[rancid orchid]

@modest kayak if you want a certain GTR1 combo or something similar on the upcoming schedule, you should tell @next pivot asap

[modest kayak]

Oh right good one

[next pivot]

Yes make sure to send and tag me before tomorrow 1000

[next pivot]

no suggestions have been made so far 😛

[rancid orchid]

Alright @modest kayak , I'll take care of it.
How about we drop the DPi&GTR3 combo for the upcoming schedule and add GTR1 and GTR4 as a 60 minute feature at Spa? Same time slots as the DPi race usually is?
No mandatory stop, basically equal settings as the DPi&GTR3 combo.

For the 30 minute feature race that's the GTR1 combo right now we could do some DTM2020 as @grave seal suggested, maybe at Donington GP or Brands Hatch GP

[rancid orchid]

See the above, please

[spare pasture]

Group C + Group 4 @ Road America

[next pivot]

GTR 1 + GTR 4 Spa
DTM '20 Donington GP

[rancid orchid]

Group C + Group 5 at Stowe please

[next pivot]

did gtr 1 need a bop?

[rancid orchid]

Can't tell you that, sorry

[spare pasture]

yeah yeah, make it redicolous 💁🏻
I would actually drive the classic car combo 😛

[next pivot]

oh and i'll reduce the practice length on the 1930/2130 combo's to 30 mins

[spare pasture]

i don't remember the bop in scb league, but i think everyone had 99% but one car 🤔

[rancid orchid]

I think @modest kayak did race the Zolder race, but in general the Koenigsegg might need some because of it's straight line speed iirc

[rancid orchid]

Probably the ruf

[spare pasture]

i think it was the koenigsegg 🤔 but really, can't recall it

[rancid orchid]

@untold crag use your holidays for some GTR1 bop testing at Spa, please

[rancid orchid]

If you ever need suggestions for ranked combos, you're welcome to tag me anytime, as my suggested combos grow more and more into the schedule 😅

The schedule from 24.08. to 07.09. would then again feature the DPi&GTR3 feature race at Imola, while the 30 minute feature slot might be some FR3 double header (2x20 mins) or a single race, or even some 30 minute FR2 race (alternatively a double header with 20 and 40 minute races), probably at Hockenheimring or something like that

[sly siren]

Gumpert is op, Koenigsegg and Nissan are probably the worst on most tracks

[opaque dew]

Anyone for a GTR1@Zolder tonight, P21:00?

[modest kayak]

I overslept

sh't

i wanted to see some wtcc2013

[untold crag]

yep I can do that

[rancid orchid]

To be honest, it was more of a joke than it was meant serious, but I thought, you'd at least have the time to do so 😅

[untold crag]

ok.

[opaque dew]

Reminder: practice starting in 30 minutes

[untold crag]

would be cool if the game isnt dying right now

[opaque dew]

Cannot find the GTR1 server. @next pivot, any idea?

[untold crag]

this

[opaque dew]

But there are tons of others servers? 👀

[next pivot]

Gtr1 should start any minute now. Not sure why it didnt

[opaque dew]

Tnx!

Oh, only 2 minutes of Q left. 😂

[modest kayak]

the 944 race needs some help to get going i think

[next pivot]

Yeah, classic sheep race. Once the first 4-5 join, the rest will follow 😄

[modest kayak]

has there been a session that went into race yet

(except the one i was in, that doesnt count)

[modest kayak]

one of them many mysteries

[next pivot]

yes actually, every day

[next pivot]

not sure which one you were in, but there were more races yeah

[modest kayak]

ah good, yeah i was in one with 2 others

that left after 10 seconds

[crimson abyss]

That track is also quite unknown and quite tricky to learn. But it looks absolutely fabulous, so I would like to learn it at some point

The car was extremely boring though, from the two laps that I've tried it around Sonoma 😛

And yes, it probably makes for great racing, but in order to get that, you'd need to practice with it for a bit, too

[modest kayak]

A agree with that, the car kicks very little, so driing alone is extremely boring

it is a good fit with the track tho, doing some stupid things can get it up to 2 wheels, and the slower parts of the track actually result in some minor wheelspin/kick

[modest kayak]

anyone up to do some 944 tonight?

i am not quick in them, so this is your chance the steal my rating

[modest kayak]

Losers

[next pivot]

It's Monday

[modest kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-13416222

[opaque dew]

Anybody for DTM 2020, P19:30 (race starting P20:20)?

[grave seal]

That time is off limits for me.

[opaque dew]

Ww can do the P21:30 as well.

[grave seal]

That's a maybe for me.

[keen veldt]

what about spa? gt1 and gt4? 🙂

[opaque dew]

Just finished that race. A bit lonely but still fun.

Battle for the lead in GTR4 class looked more interesting than in a GTR1 to be honest. 😛

[keen veldt]

what car did you drive?

[opaque dew]

ruf

[keen veldt]

come now.. let's do some gtr1 practice battle 🙂

[opaque dew]

I don't know ... maybe if the server will fill up a bit. At the moment it looks a bit sad.

[keen veldt]

i know..sad

[modest kayak]

I can try that combo later this week

Still prefer the 944 but that one just seems to not happen with me

[rustic salmon]

have you tried waiting in the lobby harder?

[modest kayak]

I tried waiting really hard

And the only time a race started the 2 others left after t1

[elfin crown]

sunset light will be amazing as this race will be hold from 18.00 to 22.00

[opaque dew]

4 hours of Aragon? Sounds like hell ...

[elfin crown]

Sounds like nice race in a tricky nice track

[modest kayak]

why? aragon is great

😄

[opaque dew]

mhm

[elfin crown]

not the fake killer bananas but it is a great track

[modest kayak]

nipples of doom are a bit unfortunate

[elfin crown]

At least is something we can replicate here in RR

[modest kayak]

kinda

[opaque dew]

Yesterday I couldn't find more than one to do 15 minutes of Charade, let alone 4 hours of Aragon. 😅

[elfin crown]

We (as community) maybe are going to replicate it as "end of summer night event" will keep you informed in case you wanna join next 26th night

[modest kayak]

yeah...

[opaque dew]

And I tried like 4-5 times (been on the server from the start of a practice session till the end of qualifying).

So yeah, that's a bit optimistic to say the least.

[modest kayak]

i got one race going with 4 drivers

in like 5 tries

ill try a bit tomorrow late in the evening again

[elfin crown]

6 Dpi right now... XD race start at 22:00

[nocturne silo]

Anyone today for gt3 at Nords?

[untold crag]

yup, I'll see when I'm able to join

18:00 might not be the possible, but the other ones are.

[elfin crown]

I have enough nords after mx5 for a while XD

[nocturne silo]

Anyone today gt3 @Nords P20:00?

[high fulcrum]

me? no, never again

[opaque dew]

@untold crag?!

[untold crag]

is there still time?

[opaque dew]

4min 40sec

[untold crag]

I had to fix sth on my hud

[opaque dew]

You better hurry up!

[opaque dew]

Imagine having a mechanical grip ...
https://streamable.com/0uw10h

[untold crag]

https://tenor.com/view/monka-steer-pepe-pepe-the-frog-gif-19881925

lol

it just keeps on going

[opaque dew]

... or downforce. Imagine! 🧙‍♂️
https://streamable.com/2j730r

[untold crag]

so much oversteer 😄

you need to drive with a more stable setup

[opaque dew]

Somehow created a worse car to drive than it was a Ferrari F14T. Understeer, oversteer, you name it, all here. 😄

[untold crag]

and twitchy af

[opaque dew]

Help! 😅
https://streamable.com/3xazss

[untold crag]

i was expecting you to lose it completely over the crest... you didnt tho. nice save

[crimson abyss]

How did you make the most stable car into such a death trap? 😂

[untold crag]

the most stable car
did you forget the m4? or bentley? or porsche? or mclaren? or ferrari?

[opaque dew]

No idea honestly. 😬

@untold crag, I need a setup for that combo. I give you 9 days ... 😅

[untold crag]

... a stable one I guess? 😅

[opaque dew]

Even if you take off the rear wing it will be better than this one.

[crimson abyss]

I'm not familiar with the McLaren, but I'd argue that all the others are less stable 😅 Especially the Bentley or M4

[untold crag]

i mean, yeah default merc is pretty stable, but noone drives it with a stable setup

[opaque dew]

But ... that was almost a default one. I think I'm doing something horribly wrong here.

[untold crag]

those vids look like 2 wing

...

[opaque dew]

5!

[crimson abyss]

Maybe that's why I wasn't instantly quicker. It felt very safe, but it could also be true that to make it fast it needs to be sketched up a bit

[untold crag]

you could try my setup to get a feel of how sketchy it can be.

[crimson abyss]

P1 incoming? 😄

[sly siren]

How much did the handling change since the Bathurst race? That's the last time I drove the Merc and it was so insanely stable that it wasn't even fun anymore

[untold crag]

the mercedes definitely feels different, but you'll have to try for yourself

[sly siren]

Always was my worst and also the most unenjoyable car for me, so I'll probably pass

Also calling the Bentley stable is a crime. There are definitely more stable options

[untold crag]

you are actually the opposite when it comes to what you like... I for example dont get cars like the 650s or bentley... but you seem to really enjoy them

[crimson abyss]

Bentley has a lot of character, and a bit of a narrow window on the corner exits for when it doesn't want to die

[sly siren]

From what I have seen our driving styles are also polar opposites

[untold crag]

yeah, absolutely

[crimson abyss]

Underdriving squad 🥳

[untold crag]

I dont think Marvin's driving can be titled as underdriving

[crimson abyss]

It's more under than overdriving I'd say

But I'm probably still the leader of that squad 😄

[sly siren]

Definitely more towards underdriving

Also using a lot more tc than Colin all the time

[untold crag]

although I have started to use more recently aswell

but even with how different we are at driving, the GTRM2.0 finale is the perfect example of how close we can be on pace regardless of driving characteristics

[sly siren]

That is still one of my favourite ever races

But I have to admit that you are probably faster than me in anything that's not fwd

[untold crag]

or formula

but definitely not on all occasions

[sly siren]

If you are well prepared you are faster most of the time. I can always use your age as an excuse. I'm too old to improve

Or more likely I just have less talent

[untold crag]

how old are you?

[sly siren]

28

[untold crag]

I'm too old to improve
then no 😛

[sly siren]

But I need my excuses

[untold crag]

but actually... you are way better at preparing than me

and you do way less mistakes

[sly siren]

That's probably my biggest strength. So many races where I just know what strategy to use and don't have to decide on the fly

[untold crag]

yeah, I just sort of use the first strat that comes to mind lol

[sly siren]

I should just become a race strategist

[untold crag]

on that note, do you and Sven exchange ideas for strategy most of the time?

@opaque dew it would be a tremendous net-positive for them

[opaque dew]

Sorry, I thought it was "you should" not "I should".

In that case definitely!

[crimson abyss]

The what?

[untold crag]

https://youtu.be/WH6TakWI8fg?t=786 this says it all.

basically 2.4h of torture both of us having the exact same pace

the series was hosted by gt-rennserien

[sly siren]

We often do, but most of the time we already came to the same conclusion independently

[normal fractal]

@opaque dew @untold crag hopefully I'll be home in time for 20:00, ow 22:00

Is there a mandatory pitstop?

[untold crag]

nope

[opaque dew]

can do both

nope, no pit stops

[normal fractal]

Oh, interesting

[untold crag]

and no bop

[opaque dew]

around 112-115 liters in AMG GT3

[normal fractal]

Or is it 1 lap less because VLN, thus boring

[normal fractal]

yeah

8 lap race?

[normal fractal]

yeah, sounds about right ig

I think Audi should be clear for it

btw if you guys want the usual all porshce theme I'm down

[untold crag]

aight yeah we can do that

[normal fractal]

Cool, then no need to worry about fuel 👌

[opaque dew]

yeah, we can do it with 992

[normal fractal]

Ohhhhhh 992 is open????

Niceeeee

Thought only the old one is because ranked champ or smth

[nocturne silo]

The old one for the championship, new one for other ranked races i guess

[opaque dew]

exactly, they are both available

[opaque dew]

@normal fractal, @untold crag, P20:00?

[untold crag]

yeah

[opaque dew]

@keen veldt, @barren seal, @rancid orchid, @grave seal ...

[grave seal]

I'm eating dinner at 20 😅

Sorry, if I can, it will be at 22.

[untold crag]

@crimson abyss you?

[keen veldt]

what are we talking about? gt3 vln?

[opaque dew]

mhm, correct

60min, no mandatory pitstop

[keen veldt]

if there's gonna be 5 people i will not do it 😄

[untold crag]

bad news

[opaque dew]

5? No, no, we will be only 4.

[keen veldt]

in that case, count me in 😄 😄

[opaque dew]

That's the spirit!

@spare pasture, @blissful garden, @gloomy quarry, @Hugo.Vranic

[gloomy quarry]

Sorry no

[untold crag]

Rui just joined! theres hope!

[opaque dew]

Hope Funken will join as well. He always DNFs and I don't want to be last. 😅

[spare pasture]

nordschleife gt3? no thanks

[normal fractal]

Eh, that was terrible

@untold crag, just wondering, how much TC do you use?

[untold crag]

new meta car??

[normal fractal]

Old news

[untold crag]

I think 50/.26

[normal fractal]

yeah, I was def too low

[untold crag]

not sure if I'll do the next one

im super tired

[keen veldt]

gašper, you're getting banned 😄 😄 😄

[normal fractal]

same

You drove well though Colin

I wish I hadn't done those 2 big mistakes

Could've been a very decent battle

[untold crag]

yup

[nocturne silo]

Gašper what the hell you did to that guy to make him so furious? xd

[normal fractal]

Lap 7 was 🔥 🔥 🔥

And then I lost focus again 😛

Oh and that's it, I'm turning off chat

This was unbearable

[keen veldt]

@opaque dew