#Motion to Sue Iktomi, migi.mig, and Kraaca for tax evasion/illegal collab

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minor gorge
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Iktomi purchased 2 solar generators, and shortly thereafter received direct transfers from Kraaca and migi.mig to cover the cost of one of those solar generators. One of these solar generators is placed on migi.mig oil drilling plot (which happens to be in the ocean, so another possible case for illegal construction within a federal waterway can follow if no permit was obtained). The direct transfers totalling the amount of the solar generator purchase cannot be a coincidence, it was clearly a trade initiated outside of approved means.

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As someone who was trying to purchase said solar generators, and has paid lots of taxes this cycle, I feel they have gained an unfair advantage by evading federal law

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dusky oracle
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I think it's just pure envy... I don't like people who sue anyway 😁

tropic eagle
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In my opinion it is not tax evasion, because the tax was paid....the solars are for our community and where is the point of it if I will buy one and Migi will buy another??? The total amount of taxes will be the same.

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The electric site is on the same grid so it is clear to see the electric power is for the whole community.

frail briar
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LOL.. somehow I managed not to get sued first 😄

tropic eagle
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However if there is anyone who will not see that the tax evasion was not committed I can send back the money and place both solar panels in my deed.

eternal mantle
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Community? Are you in a company? If so you would have additional taxes levied on you if you carry more skills then a normal player would

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if its a town thing, the town should be buying it. not individuals

tropic eagle
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Ok, so I can agree with this argument so I can apologize, I will send the money back and take the second solar panel and place it to my deed....I thought the city is the community and if I will not sell the power the company is not needed.

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It was the gift from me to community (town) and if it is forbidden I do not understand...however I do not agree with commitment of the Tax Evasion crime because the total amount of taxes were paid.

eternal mantle
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cant gift/donate things to the government

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and gifting thigns to others is highly ill-advised. you cross into the idea of a potential collaboration between players not in a company which is a rule violation.

weak hound
eternal mantle
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owning a generator to produce elec power on a grid isnt donating or gifting. what donating/gifting here, based on what iktomi said, is two players given a lump sum of money to buy solar generators.

weak hound
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ok, money is back....

tropic eagle
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I sent the money back and I will put the second solar to my deed. I am sorry for that I have not seen the Tax Evasion because tax was paid and I do not see the point if I put the second solar to my deed to share the energy for free or if the second solar is placed in another deed for the same reason. However I do understand there is anyone who wanted to buy the solars for himself and he/she is angry.

wanton verge
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The point is nobody outside your company can give you money outside of a trade. Either you buy something yourself or the town buys it.

tropic eagle
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Yes, I can understand what you are saying however the result about the energy is the same so I do not see the point of it. The point of the whole case was to save the time of the second person who had not to sale for the second solar. I understand that the giving of money to another person is against the written rules in case to evade the tax, but the point of this case is nonsense, because there is not any advantage for anyone (tax was paid, the energy is shared anyway and no one has the money profit). I know that the law is very hard to write correctly and I can see the point of this law section. But the situation about this case is only about the one angry person who can not buy solars for him/herself . There is not any advantage for anyone.

wanton verge
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I don't want to speak for the GMs/writers of the law so I'll let them give a full answer, but the intention is no player may gain an advantage over an individual by using the resources of multiple people outside the town system

minor gorge
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I was on my way to the store to purchase the solar panel, but you bought it before me.
You said you did it to save time for migi.mig, but that "saving time" is collaboration which is not allowed. Had you purchased it and then resold it to migi.mig, then that would have incurred more sales tax.
I sold a lot of oil products to people asking specifically if it could be made into solar generators so I could boost oil production since the server has a large shortage, but was unable to reap the rewards of about a days worth of work and coordination because of this.
So migi.mig got an advantage of receiving solar generator they wouldn't have been able to buy themselves, by purchasing it from you, in the form of a direct transfer and inventory exchange.

obtuse crag
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stop dealing with crap. I'll paint a picture for you and we'll all be happy

tropic eagle
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There is only one advantage for Migi.mig and it is the saved time. If the saving time is collaboration in your opinion what about the private deal between two persons about the private trade? Is it the advantage/collaboration or not? If Migi sale with me the total amount of paid taxes are the same. If you would like to sell your products for exchange for solar panels you should set up your shop to buy the solars and no one should buy the solars instead of you. I said everything what I wanted to say and I am prepared for the trial. Lets the GM´s declare the judgment, because this dispute is going to be about nothing.

weak hound
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I gained no advantage because the electricity produced by the solar generator is distributed through a system that is accessible to everyone in the area. Now that Iktomi has both generators, I get the same amount of electricity as when I had one generator.

tranquil hornet
tropic eagle
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Yes, if we take the law literally, it should be a violation of the law. However, to be precise, in this case the only transaction was the purchase of two solar panels and the entire tax for this trade was paid. I didn't buy the second solar panel to resell it to someone else and make a profit, but I wanted to save the Migi time and I asked him to put it on his property because I did not have a place for it in my deed. I understood that there was a mistake, I apologized, I sent the money back and the solar panel is in my deed at this time. The rest of the debate is just to make it clear that a literal interpretation of the law is in some cases meaningless. As in law in real life, the intent to brake the law and the social harm must also be proven, which in this case it is missing (in my opinion) because the taxes were paid in full amount. So I will not do it again and if it is needed to pay a fine I am prepared to be punished.