knotty spoke
§2.1.6 "Natural Waterways", which are all bodies of water excluding "ocean" and "deep ocean" that are naturally formed and support water traffic. They are managed by the lowest local authority applicable.
§1.3 Bridges crossing natural waterways must in at least 1 location have an unobstructed space of at least 3 (?) meters in height above water level and 4 (?) meters in width below them.
knotty spoke
@blissful plank i did le ping.
this is basically for avoiding people to block entire rivers from boat access/travel. there's no reason this law would exist for player made canals but not for rivers. bot serve the same purpose. although rivers might not always be accessible by barges, a transport ship should always be allowed to travel these waterways.
blissful plank
and I need to know this why?
like why did you ping me?
if this is for the server laws then go to https://discord.com/channels/254025510651297802/1019664320587640843
knotty spoke
i assumed all laws go through the government
blissful plank
well we do in-game laws but the law §2.1.6 "Natural Waterways is a server law. we need to up hold and can't chance. it is set before the server is setup
I can go on VC if you like to know more
knotty spoke
aaah ok. i'll move this tomorrow then. my apologies.
dreamy stratus
Congress can change the written laws via vote like any other. It's just the in game [C] or [SR] laws that need gm intervention
knotty spoke
just so i don't mistake it [C] is Federal Constitution and [SR] are Server Rules as found with F1 in game and are GM territory?
So my addendum that would be for Federal Law and is also found with F1 in game is for Congress to decide on?
dreamy stratus
Correct
knotty spoke
looks like i can't post this in the congress since i'm not a member of congress.
i take it the correct action would have been for a government member to read this and take it there if they want to. since government says this has nothing to do with them this goes to the trashcan unless i run for office.
i'm under the impression very few people know how this runs. not in the least those that run for office.
dark dome
Just gotta call a referendum. The President starts one if the PM/Gov requests it. I think theres only a few in gov atm but if you get in, u can try and push things up
red igloo
looks like i can't post this in the congress since i'm not a member of congress....
you can ask an MP to look into this and represent your needs
but only if the above mentioned conditions ( [C] or [SR] ) are not in play
red igloo
<@262654774560686081> i did le ping.
this is basically for avoiding people to bl...
imho in III. $ 2 (1) 5. "expanded to support water traffic is a bit vague"
like if i build a dock in it, is it then expanded to support water traffic ?
i think there should be a new section for Natural waterways outside of ocean and canals
and they should be managed by the lowest local authority
dark dome
Widening a river is expanding it to support water traffic. The creation of a canal is the act of expanding water traffic
red igloo
agreed, but the wording is too vague
like if i make a section deeper so my wooden transport ship can pass, without modify the flow of the river, then that could still fit
knotty spoke
indeed, it should make it in especially since boat travel is encouraged.
a bit of a frustration is how to get it there. as you can see i first asked it openly in gov-requests. as a player i think it's logical that at least 1 member of government would read it and react to it. afterall, that's part of the game on white tiger and one they signed up for.
than i pinged the PM as a result of a reply in another thread. so as a player i thought, ok we can post our requests in here but will be ignored till we ping. i then get the reply that this isn't even for the government and need to go to server-feedback. that's GM territory.
finally a GM tells me the correct flow of action and it is up to the government.
if the people deciding to run for a government position in a cycle they should at a minimum understand the flow of action.
in case of this thread, it's obvious that's not the case.
a referendum is not something the people ask but comes from the government. as a citizen of white tiger i have correctly done my duty to as far as i am legally allowed. i have posted my request towards the government in gov-requests. due to not knowing the duty of the government regarding federal law, by the PM in this case, it got straight away dismissed. this is not good for white tiger player stability.
dreamy stratus
Just gotta call a referendum. The President starts one if the PM/Gov requests it...
Don't even need a referendum, law changes are just a parliament vote. Also individual players can request referendums too
dark dome
Last i read, the President starts it with a petition from teh gov
Doesnt really matter tho
dreamy stratus
Also if you want law changes, ive noticed a lot of MPs just dont pay attention to requests. I usually ping <@&807619796924497940> when they don't pay attention
red igloo
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dreamy stratus
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You are only 1
Sure naarke has already been pinged, but there are usually 5, and no on has done anything, so pings will happen. I do see there was some discussion on wording, which is good, but seems like a few people needed clarification on the process, with some trying to dismiss this
red igloo
dreamy stratus
Out of curiosity, is the proposed 4x3 opening under bridges big enough for a transport ship?
red igloo
it is, it needs 3 head clearing above and 2 head clearing under the bow
or rather under the water level
dreamy stratus
Ok nice
red igloo
industrial barges need 8 clearing but they can fit under 6 ( if you let the crane clip through the bridge )
dreamy stratus
Yeah, I wouldn't think anything bigger than the transport ship needs to make it up rivers most of the time
The proposed law and wording seems good to me
So congress can take that wording directly if they like
knotty spoke
thanks for picking it up darkmukke. i wasn't sure about the measurements, hence the (?). i tried to write it in the same language used as the original document to get it as clear as possible what i had in mind.
red igloo
the document isn't always up to date, you should folow what is ingame under F1
dreamy stratus
Technically the doc is more up to date than f1, but f1 doesn't see as many changes mid cycle. They should become the same between cycles though
dark dome
^ the changes use to be color coded but i think the colors havnt changed much.