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@cinder hawk be patient. Do you see the amount of questions in here?
@untold delta tell bro ??
Lol
Jesus F Christ
Ok
Stop spamming and be patient #rules_and_guide
😅
Cuz this event doesn't allow it
If someone knows the answer they’ll reply, if they don’t then try google 😊
Niantic said "no, full u"
Yeet triggered 
Team go rocket event don't allow tm
This event doesn't
@cinder hawk dark types running dark moves are better for 2 reasons: 1. They resist shadow claw and 2. They get STAB (same type attack bonus)
Otherwise there were team rocket events where you could tm away frustration
Can farm giratina as well in some situations
Yea, niantic level logic. Take it up with them
Well we had one like in november so
December
@untold delta that i wanted to know thanks bro😀
Right before comday, unannounced as hell
Got the shiny Suicune. Only 82IV but considering I only had to raid three times to get it I’ll consider it a win
Damn this was tiring as hell
Took me 4 raids for shiny suicune
Play some pvp. Get yourself some stress free time
Why do ppl keep attacking pier 39 gyms even if they know their pokemon would return back in 1 min 🤔🤔🤔
Yea I should do those 5 daily sets
To have gym posession during raids
And people don't care that others don't get their coins
They want the gym gold
Which is a very toxic way of thinking
I mostly attack with my buddy to get the hearts
Yes that is true
I only attack gyms that have mons with over 8 hours of defending time
So peeps get their daily 50 coins
This can u say clearly I did not get it
But then there are people feeding goldez razz
I attack any and all gyms.
If you raid in a gym the same colour as your team, you get 2 extra balls @cinder hawk
im confused i teleported somewhere and the pokémon fled even tho i didn’t teleport before that
No but you caught a pokemon before teleport
@heady rapids i see many when i attack they keep giving golden berry😑😑
If they golden razz, I leave terrible lineup for them to not take it back easily
So you're on cooldown
Yeah it's very irritating
Its not working @untold delta
What's not working?
Me catch the ditto
Wait 2 hours from your last action
@tribal plume play at once place after playing leave 2hrs and teleport and continue
Come back after
Cool down is an equation based on the time in which of your last action and the distance in which you traveled.
Oh
Yeet on the grind
Wait for cooldown to be over
Go to #ditto
Check the pins for disguises
Take the latest coords and teleport
Catch the Pokemon
Wait where do i check my cool down
In-game journal
See when you last caught a pokemon
Or spun a pokestop
2 hours from that last successful action you'll be able to play in another place
Well ill wait teo hours u got to explain to me how this works
Not "got to", but I'll do it
Dms, cuz it's gonna be me rambling about ponds and pebbles
K
Ponds and pebbles 🤣
where can I find more about the 100iv pokemons that I have access to when I get bronze/silver/... with patreon?
Is there anywhere to go to discuss PvP? Curious what other high ranked players think about lvl 50 Snorlax 100% vs Lvl 50 Shadow Snorlax (96%)
I mean we can discuss things here
Hi
Well what’s your opinion lol 🙂
I would use the shadow lax
I was kinda thinking the same.
Hey, if it sounds stupid but it works, it ain't stupid
I’ve grabbed like 80 Shadow and am thinking 100% isn’t happening.
well duh it doesnt say which 100iv pokemons I get access to
Another day with lose in points ._.
Ranking points?
Went to 2940 again and now 2890 ._.
hey someone has list for best pokemon to catch? please
Rip walkie
For raids
Pvpoke for, well, pvp
Gbl playing with my feelings : (
no mon is exclusive if that makes sense. you will see more of all per tier. you have access to more rooms and abilities in certain rooms.
How to get more raid passes
Buy
😭
Gonna try caleb new team in open ultra tomorrow
Does anyone have any insight on how to make GO Plus work? I’ve had VIP for a little while now and have never used that feature
Yea iPoGo
Which one do u use?
See if it works ,but caleb is caleb 🥴
Root droid for lyf
Comp?
I often can’t be connected to a computer to play
Yea but again, ask in their server
i want to catch easy pokemon with good stats
It's the official one after all
@crisp rivet i had 2k. Now at like 1.8🥲
Fair enough, thanks
im not 30
Umbreon ,escav , melmetal@untold delta but i will switch to mandi bc Don't have umbreon with lr , or he commented giratina is decent pick
Then get to 30 fast @balmy marlin
Oooh I'd love to face that with a typh
But honestly i dont care reach highest rank... I want legendaries from the pool
Escav is to bait out that
I just want frillish candies
@limpid coral the legendary encounter rate sucks anyways 
Wait you guys are getting legendaries?
Or ipogo for ios
No
@fossil marsh yea
Lol
@obtuse swift
I haven’t even had one
Ul premier is just playing with my feelings, and now i have a feeling I'm gonna go more down tomorrow
Nope
Ipogo install is not even 5 minutes
Jailbreak me from GBL
Honestly
Don't know if it even works with jailbreak anymore
On the other hand, I don't know what jailbreak is, so there's that

@fossil marsh do my sets ._.
Jailbreak is root for iOS
Root is jailbreak for android
Jailbreak isn't even possible for new iphone?
I heard it doesn't have as much freedom as a rooted droid
ipogo Is available on app Valley.
Is it ok to download from there
No
iPogo is available on their official server
Get it from there
A.k.a. #ipogo
Appvalley got peeps warned
Wow
🙄
Modified client on unrooted android, kinda fishy @grave tartan
And prone to detection
@mystic jewel #rules_and_guide reeee fix it
Git gud walkie
Jaj
Wish i can git gud
@crisp rivet whats your points at now?
Under 2900

,
@crisp rivet did u even try post a code

Didn't you drop? @crisp rivet
Lol

Pff pvp nerds
cries in 2239
Yea. I was curious since i never seen u get catched by the bot lol
I was thinking too that something wrong
Too many numbers

12 digits triggers gk
@limpid coral only one bot catch me and mute always that is @mystic jewel
GK 

🙄
Jajaja

@mystic jewel 

shadow 89 Dragonite
🦶
Shadundo or 
He's just jelly
@fossil marsh I'm still waiting for your tips since you asked what's my rating

Now if only you were a Shadundo

Omega: git gud
lmao yea just need to power up and get the 2nd move or wait to tm

Wish that tip work

Change your name to "lemme win" or sth
Walkman is gonna end the season at 2999
Well... I'm going to try for shadow hundo swinub🥲
Rip
Idk at this point why i have 6 elite tm bc not using it on any , first thought to give swampert hc then metagross mm, everything came back
Anyone need ditto
Does learning second move for shadow wrok?
@fossil marsh lemme just uninstall if that happens
#friends_trading_party if for trading
Yea ofc
Not for getting the community day moves tho
Just copy a team from one of those pogo YouTube guys and then come here saying “lmao I came up with this team I’m such a pvp expert #kek” @crisp rivet
No need of elitm then
Lmao
I cant message there because of slowmode
I used shimon team after 2900@fossil marsh
Um, yea elites are needed if you want legacy moves and it still has frustration
Haven't used any of YouTube team upto 2900
Everyoje has slowmode. Be patient
Everytime I see xl spooder
People barely can even run that team good anyways
I always think of a shimon
@fossil marsh with double charmers
@untold delta we don't use frustration if second move is opened right?
When we get zekrom in team go leaders
Just get omega chan to do your sets
We don't use frustration ever @floral stream
@flat epoch maybe in 3 years
till someone throws in a poison type
@fossil marsh nah , team comps are becoming more shit , double charm ninetales with powder snow and clefable and empo
@untold delta read #tips_and_tricks
Shadow rayquaza
Idk why double charmer doesn't work for me but for others lol
Then to usme kya show ho rha h
The double teams are getting really boring ngl

Soon I will use double steel in master premier 🦥
@flat epoch English only #rules_and_guide
Double counter go brr
Metagross is neutral init mate
...
@lusty osprey #friends_trading_party
@lusty osprey not here please
Ohh sorry
Bot crapped himself again?
According to u what does a shiny hooh worth
Shiny ho oh
Another shiny legend
Shiny hooh
Yes
Answer is shiny hooh lol
I get it from the team go leader quest
Can I get it from mystery box
As shown in image a gift sign
Any1 here who has platinum tgr medal and no shadow shiny?
@untold delta whats the meta of open UL?
I sit at 1300 and no shadow shiny xD
only have scyther shadow shiny
Famous team comp?
My old team comp was Cress/Amuk/toge
Dunno any famous team comp besides the annoying gira/cres/steel
Lol
Gengar go brrr

me still looking for a good iv shiny Bulbasaur
Honestly, I expected gengar to be more of a liability in open UL
Gengar is so squishy to even withstand giratina
But it's damn good
Gengar gets rid of shields faster than you can say "wait, it's not shadow ball?"
75% of my opponents double shielded against gengar
Hard , unpredictable sometimes
Swampert and shadow swampert everywhere?
But sometimes predictable but you still lose of even lil mistake
Ik, but running swampert counters is even more satisfying
And this skarmory doesn't win cmp against anything
Guys how do I do field quests?
Dm to join boosted suicine
I don’t understand how to
Mandibuzz
I am in ipogo
The link takes you to a list of coords
Ok and then
Which you'll have to copy and put in the pinned gpx converter
Do u spin the pokestop and u get the quest?
Is it always true
Also, have an AR quest beforehand
If you don't have an AR quest, you'll get a random one
How do u get an ar quest. By spinning gyms right?
I am lowkey dogwater at this game
Ok. But it can be any ar quest?
Hey guys how can i find a ditto😑😑😑😑
Yes cuz you won't be doing that
It just needs to be there
Ok
The pins in #field_quests explain it
Any ways to find ar eligible pokestops?
50% of them should be
Spin
but why u need an ar quest?
Sponsored
They have a blue thingie in the upper left corner
Alr thx dude
Appreciate it
Cuz otherwise the game I suppose does a rng roll to see if it gives you an AR quest or a random one
oh maybe
If you already have an AR quest, the roll doesn't happen
So you get the standard quest
@fierce walrus what
ye make sense
And pls delete that offer @whole walrus
Because this is not trade chat
I told you where to post
@fierce walrus i cant access the cord verification not working
Thanks
You need to verify your account or sth by logging in again
Then someone else did
Staff privileges
The bot maybe
Lol
mod abuse
Nah the bot doesn't pick up on trade offers
@fierce walrus no coords in chat
#rules_and_guide are there for a purpose
Ok
Can I request a pokémon for pvp??? Or is exclusive for 100iv??
Ty! How much the donors?? :P
Silver and above get custom dm notifs
Check #donation_info
The patreon link will show prices too
Yeet, you need a promotion lol
Yeetius Maximus?
Whats registered trade?
The mons that you already have count as registered
Shinies are separate entries for dex, and some have variations for costumes too
does unown ! and ? even spawn??
Ohkay
Timetimetime
Don't know for sure
Thanks
They often get a heavy offer on trades xD
Aye
yea
If they do at all
Well, not really trading so no issue 
Ohh Giggles san, how have you been? 👀
Same lmao
need both for that .... unown plat badge.. some day.
Anyone knows where to find an updated nest list?
Pug champ @vast folio
Nowhere yet
same here
Nests have migrated today
#puglife
People are still checking them
Imagine hoenn plat badge tho
Oh.. I thought it was on Tuesday, due to the new event
Need kekleon
yea.
How do i spot a nest?
They also migrate every 2nd thursday
I am upset with some of those badges.
Somehow I can't select my version for Kanto Tour, the thing is too big for my screen and isn't letting me scroll to choose it, how would I fix this?
Usually dark green area on map
For plat
So for the plat its 28?
@twin stream 28 for Platinum, 26 for Gold
Oh yea
28 different ones?
Lol
I'll just wait till they come back
Good thing it didn't spawn as emote variants ._.
@untold delta saw a few dark green areas, but there were minimal spawns and not even same kind.
"It was not possible to link to this account" when I try to connect my google account to the facebook account .... why ??
Scraggy in the wild now?
Nests won't have only the nesting species spawning
I just seen one interesting
That would make checking nests super easy
Hundo isn't really useful unless you can't XL max it for UL
@untold delta broo you are what, a supercomputer? Answering everyone like that.
Hundo is useful
@thorn grail #friends_trading_party
Makes it a good xl scrafty as gym trash
Someone has to do it
can level 40.5+ mons be used in UL? ive got a level 43 hundo melmetal leveling up
ty
Using lv50 scrafty rn
Master league will be the same, maybe except for classic master league
If we have that anyway
I doubt it
Level 50 scrafty is amazing for ml
Since lvl 50 legend team
#friends_trading_party @gray lynx
@untold delta but how
Barely anyone is going to have access to that except the whales
For UL, not ML
@gray lynx post in #friends_trading_party and delete your message here please
Will do
And read #rules_and_guide
I cannot express through words how much I despise whales

Whale whale whale, what do we have here
More like questions answered
its me 


Its-a-me M||yeehaw||
Or it could also be that rickiee appeared
M'kip
Then pvp vs me
Hi
Hewwo
UwU
Pvp sucks
No you
Lol
Is suicine a nitro booster.. It has that sign on its head😁😁😂😂
Yes pvp
Lel
I’m trash with pvp
Pvp is still trash
How i can get a remote pass?
You buy them from shop
Another way bc i dont have money :/
No way
“You can stop being trash at pvp but pvp will always be trash”
I'm trash at pvp and pvp is trash too
is there any magikarp nest
No
Do quests
what is difference between red and green?
Gym coins
Is there a wailmer nest😂
Red is a primary colour, green is its complementary
i hate that you cant trade shadow😭
#event_news has the list of differences
thanks v helpful lol
Welcome
oki will have a look

Is there a channel name #nest_report @surreal prairie which we can read?
magikarp nest
No
Read #nest_report pins to see what nests
Wailmer doesn't spawn at all I think
@crisp rivet i dont know old man i havent seen😂😂
Neither does magikarp @snow bay
@surreal prairie now you know kid
And don't dm people asking for nests
@untold delta they do i just recently gound one
Eh, haven't seen one in ages
when will it come
Maybe it's lure exclusive idk
@untold delta ya it was
Either way, #nest_report pins have the list of what nests
And nests themselves are being worked on
But they do spawn earlier ehen i play in a diffrent account i caught some what of 30
Wailmer
@crisp rivet ya old one🤘
which one are u lot picking colour?
Red
❤️
💚
red
I'm picking ||gottem||
is red better?
@manic schooner #friends_trading_party
for complet the quest
@manic schooner post code in #friends_trading_party or add people from there
@pine kestrel ya
@pine kestrel just above you read

No
Yes
No

Hal na
Anyone Sydney spoofing and belongs to valor group??

O😂
:rickieeno:

@untold delta did you listen grandeur English cover? By studio yuriko
@gilded seal :johnnygoat:
@crisp rivet :walkmanbutheisinminecraft:
My craft
How to get kabuto or omynite
:JohnnySadgeCheemsPoggersMundoPepega:
Hmm, ancient Pokemon not spawning anymore
Ok
@mild cypress team grunt sometime have omnyte
I spy a wild ¡chach!
#field_quests has both
@supple viper 👀
:shortycraftomega:
Yeah but not currently I think

will gyardos spawn in wild regardless of which colour you pick?
@mild cypress no i recently ha caught three
@crystal swan i think so.
Leaders changed, Cliff now has Aerodactyl instead of Omanyte
Gyarados and magikarp are two Pokemon which can spawn anytime anywhere
Gyarados is already spawning in the Lunar New Year event, no need to wait for Kanto
#tips_and_tricks current chart is changed
Magikarp have different fanbase only niantic employees participate in that
use splash on omega bald head
how often?
Ancient lore said magikarp was the strongest mon ever and only bidoof could take on a magikarp
The tru legendary battle
Biddof the op legend
Right now not at all, it hasnt started yet
@mellow yarrow the strongest of all the true worthy hero😂😂
Hard to say how good the spawns will be
last year it was very common in the CNY event, easy to find wild shundo
cant say how itll be this time
hmm ok
Does anybody know how to fix the installation package failed?
The what?
which one would you say is better red or green?
Personal preference honestly
When you install ipogo on 3utools
Actually whats this red or green going on
what are u picking?
Red chilli ,green chilli
Is ipogo working yet
I'm picking shadow realm
Last few ipa just crash on boot screen
Ask in their server
.
Considering a lot of use it I’d say it was relevant
They know better about crash or whatever going with ipogo
when was ipogo not working?
Can i evolve eevee to umbrian by going to other location from the current location...
Ya mine eevee arto just evolving either flareon or vaporean
kanto ticket is paid event?
Yes@balmy marlin
😦
yes
Hello
😅 hope that didn't break rule
@snow bay please do not dm me again.
Is shiny mew availanle with kanto pass only?
Yes
Red or green what’s its worth?
guys is there a way to get over 1 mil dust a day or is that impossible
Your choice, whichever one you have less shinies of
@gilded seal ok
Anywan that knows what the fastes way is for getting 50000 stardust ?
I guess raid
what is a gpx route
pvp or go plus
Ok
why I can't login to my Facebook account after I got soft ban
its a route you can set for auto walk in your spoofing app
oh and im guessing its only for vip users right
Pls help me
Tbh that event isn’t worth for me
Nned to wait for the soft ban to remove
@prime nymph #friends_trading_party go here and post
Thanks
Quick question: Scraggy is now permanently in the wild??
why I can't login to my Facebook account after I got soft ban
@quasi bobcat no
for the event
everyone can use it
Good, thanks 😁
cant login to fb or cant login to pogo? also change your discord name
Anyone knows best time for raid shiny??????
its random always
Do non ticketed players get anything?
raids
legends, kanto spawns and a shitty timed research
ay
@thin walrus so😑😑😑😑
And why Sydney pogo map new york map show me wrong iv
I can't login to my Facebook account in Pokémon go
Are you under level 30?
If I am 30 then it's show me right????
Yep
Why that so?
random for lower levels
Just how it’s always been
Oooo👍
what level do you have to be to get a lvl 50 mon
And how to find shiny today I got 100 iv susanee and I don't have shiny
40
40
Calls Niantic HQ
Ninantic 
ty
oof
I can't login to Facebook after I got softban how to fix that?
@muted lantern remove the poop
hi
this weekend is community day already?
Facebook has absolutely nothing to do with Pokémon Go
is pokedex gonna give coords for kanto tour?
Whats the best place to catch magikarps?
They don’t spawn, so try #field_quests
mornin' @balmy marlin
depending on how it works out, we will

is a gp route good for farming dust?
gpx
go fest was dope
it was
I can't login to my Facebook account in Pokémon go after got softban
are kanto tour pokemon 1/25 shiny odds?
You guys made it dope lol
not all
cries in 30day durring gofest
Stop spamming, please.
this guy
damn 17$ for the kanto event that’s a lot
@kindred gorge depends on what u are running, for gotcha its good
Bruh why those reacts
its 11
I hate how people post in #raid_members.
Everyone's like "join now" when it's more appealing to do "current time X. Join at Y."
Ik
NOW
@muted lantern that emote is still there, if we have to remove it you'll suffer the consequences.
its 11 dollars?
I can't sign in
wdym what im running
I'd use #raid_tapubulu but it's almost never weather boosted
and all kanto shinies
17$ it will buy me a week of groceries😆
Contact Facebook then, as this is a Pokémon Go server. We have nothing to do with Facebook lol
There are no weather boosted
as in if you are using gotcha or not
oh does vip have a built in gotcha
Yahh I mean I can't sign in to my pogo account

Then why do you keep saying you can’t log into Facebook?
i use hal its worth it
cna i use a visa giftcard for vip
pokemod dope
just wasted my annual luck catching a shiny zubat followed by a shiny aron </ 3
ye hal is good
Because I use Facebook to bind my pogo account
🤦♂️
guys is regice or regircok better in my UL team (has swamper,cresselia)?
@sleek pier 👀
Drink water never early or late

Registeel better
gn peeps
that day when it came i didnt play :(, so i dont have
Why are people posting about raikou raids I thought it was just suicune now
its between regirock and regice
Am I late, or am I correct in saying Facebook can’t be linked/used to sign into your Pogo account?
You used to be able to, not sure if its still a thing
Yeah you can still link it
it is
tomorrow is rose day right?
its how I sign in
They just moved the settings
No
Sunday
@balmy marlin dm one of the nest team members, as for example aelita
ooof
@sleek pier fooo
Pick it up
Lmao
Lol
Been there
That’s always fun
And reply hylian is not here@sleek pier
was the chocolate icecream emoji kid I tink
Im his secretary 😂
Air quote Too much fun
anyone here do PVP?
lmao!
I dont get people who call
Can I hold my research Ho-Oh, or will it disappear when the event ends?
@sleek pier tell that guy that hylian is in meeting with joe biden
lol
Its time limited, not sure when exactly it ends
like a week from now or so
i dont need that, i need an opinion.
I already redeemed it, I just haven't caught
@crystal swan yeah, contact with PvP legend Rickiee
It's till 9 I believe
I wanna save it for a double catch candy event if possible
Opinion is read the news channel, you'll find out when its ending
for a team build, i dont wanna disturb him lol

@crystal swan
Pvpoke then
Ugh all tags are going brrr
too late hes already disturbed
and he's angry

@solid plume you angry?
pvpoke is giving me a better rating on a different pokemon, but that makes my team hugely vulnerable to grass,
🔥
what did I do
Someone said you're angry
I have no idea about Pee vee Pee sorry

yo since ur here i heard ur really good at pvp
No
Sorry was having dinner
me what 
Its pog @untold delta
🤣
he is pro@crystal swan
Is actually the iv that important on a shadow swinub. If... Wierdly comparing it to shadow m2 lol
He's being generous
@solid plume this ryan kid heard you're rank 1 at pvp for multiple seasons and wants to fight
Dm him for the most pro teams
If it's farmable, might as well go for 90+
even keing learn from lord @solid plume
hi!
Oh. Yea, makes sense
lmao no
Dm ricc for 15 pass raid trick
Fite us boiiii
Will Ditto shiny be available in the Kanto event?
Rip ric's inbox
Yes
Its free with pvp tip tho
Hi from Walkman @burnt stag
All kanto mons will be
should i use regirock or regice in my pvp team, swampert , and cresselia so far?
@mellow yarrow hi from yeet
@crisp rivet and pvp tip just costs 69000$
Dm Walkman for GBL rank 25 tips
I can take that @cursive swan
Well i prob should max a shadow mamo lol
Nice000
is shadow mamo still better than a normal 100 IV?
Idk why i am not even hunting shadow mons 
pls hunt
0iv shadow better than non-shadow hundo
I'm bored
oops wrong server
“Hi bored I’m dad lol” @crisp rivet
not me doing nest checks!
@cursive swan 
@fossil marsh hi dad im grandfather
Hi grandfather I’m great grandma @crisp rivet
its command for dankmemer@fossil marsh
@eager lark i take what yeet told me. If the shadow is farmable, u might as well go for a 90iv+
Which version are u guys choosing? Red or green
You're meme no need for another@fossil marsh
phunny
Shadow realm
I’m a walking meme
Walking to every dm meme @fossil marsh
Just walk man
Magikarp in the wild soon?
Lunar event
Just evolve man@mellow yarrow
So yea
feelsJoonMan
Feelsriccman
living legend -no
living meme -yes
I’m both
Tbh im still havent decided what i should choose, need that shellder to spawn but has less shinies in green🥲
@limpid coral choose me
chooses walkie
thats also a joke ,right?
Hel yea @limpid coral
I wasnt answering you lol
Omega is joke
Wait, can u pick now?
@cursive swan I never joke
Yes

@everyone JarJar Binks is epic
Joke never jokes
ye it was meant for guy above, sorry misclick
Yozora here 👀 👋
Left to die here
@crisp rivet uh how 🤔
@sly estuary 
Krist offer here
:hugmedaddy:


Does anyone know where there is snowy or windy weather ?
Check pins for how to find snow
And for windy lvl31+ psychic , dragon , flying in feeds
Seriously... Lol... I dont even have an option to choose
Click on ticket i assume?
how can you check your cool down timer?
The pass got broken 😂
What method u use?
You performed action
@crisp rivet i did that, only option was to add in calendar
Lol
Any magikarp in the wild soon?
Ofc it was a new update
and i was about to write to niantic but realised its... Just... Nah
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Hi
Hru
How is your day?
I’m fine
Okay i guess wby
Woke up late. About to make some breakfast
Aye yall know how to spoof on a S20Fe?
Bet
I can find jessie and james in the night?
Good looks also yall tryna do sum raides?
what are the shiny odds from a team rocket boss fight
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I already use my free pass
1/125
are jesse and james 1/125 too
Am almost 500 encounters for deino still no shiny. If anyone got him how much encounters you had?
Rocket Grunts don’t give shinies from balloons or stops. Only Jesse & James Pokemon can be shiny,
I’m waiting for Deino cd. Hate shiny hunting with regular odds
You can get shinies from the Rocket Leaders though











