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Maybe lured?
@zenith spruce where are my boosted raids!? Must pray for Penn state to be later.
Oh

@sly ridge still haven’t raided lol
off by 30 seconds?
Just wondering if anyone knew or not
wow.
Yeah
I’m not complaining or anything
But I’ll go check something and it’s not there
ah
👀
they probably despawned

Oof
Then I’ll check the same post from a different server and it’s 30 seconds away but there
@sly ridge morning to 🌞
It’s strange
morning.
@cloud grove dm me and I’ll look at it
that makes no sense
why there is no Deino in the candy channel ?
#100-iv
Are you seeing different coordinates?
Yea I think so
@wicked condor #100community
It’s ok
🚭
Really
on this server and on the other one you're using?
We want to help you if there’s a problem @cloud grove
Thats my secret captain
Because most likely, your coordinates on this server have been scrambled because you scraped them and posted somewhere else
I’m never always happy
put on a happy face
"s1mple" left the server? 🤔 was going to help him out.
F in the chat for s1mple
GG
f
let's see if he rejoins.
👀
trying to bypass vul
is best server

lol @ simp1e
What is more rare shiny costume starters or shiny shadow ball mewtwo
you guys know why in the candy channel never pass deino's coords

M2 @iron lodge
Idk if any of you guys use iPogo, but that app is goated.. free gotcha
but until it is determined safe, most are not switching to iPogo
the same one? this one's not vulgarian'd
Vip candy shows ton of deino up
let them make sure all the bugs are worked out first
That one shows vulg for me
Me too
@balmy marlin hows that?
no fog 4 U
Ooooooof
Wut
I just looked lol
This one still has roles lol
Odd
Yea weird. Idk 4shts
Refresh your discord
Refresh
refresh 👀
REFRESH
refog
There's no way to cheat for coins is there?
.
🐸
He went to the dark side
Imma have you all pruned
Nope @primal wing
Papa bless
refridgerador

Darn lol I run out of room for pokemon and items sooooo fast
Me too thanks
Where is snorlax nest
i have an alt with only 3 revives right now... darkrai obliterated my bag
Anyone know when will the field quests be posted?
raid with more people
May I ask guys
@balmy marlin he does not nest
i raid with at least 7-10 accounts i don't know what happened lol
What's the shiny rate for murkrow? Normal 1/450 or boosted?
?dex100_me
1/450
Normal
achoo
@white pawn #bot_commands
i've seen over 2000 murkrow and no shine :.(
Ohh okay, thanks siiiy and @crude thistle
my first shiny murkrow will be caughten around 2700 checks
my first shiny Mudkip was a shundo
Oh anyone know Muslim spawn
Mudkip*
Was that intentional mispelling
lol
Ah
I’m so sorry auto correct
🔨
ahahahaha
@stuck kernel same happened to me first torchic I clicked was a shundo
Best place to grind stardust?
Budabest
on a star
i got lucky with shundo torterra first click
@zenith spruce nah
But does anyone know mudkip spawn
@radiant oracle Budapest coords are pinned here
Its all empty now
Budapest budabest
Hey how can i get cordinate for 2+++ cp?
In Post Malone's chemical lab
@balmy marlin #nest_report
Weather check it's 9°c
best place for some dust
Ok
@quick gorge click community link
Is there a budapest script posted?
Yes @primal wing gpx is pinned here
so what are you guys up to? i'm watching mst3k and farming NYC
How long do nest last for
ok. Boosted raids people!!
2 weeks per migration
let's go!!
Unless an event causes nest to shift
Just saying I was super lazy bot bobble head in my car
oosted raids? 
@fossil marsh#tq bro

Is 100 iv darkrai good or is it bad?
Darkrai is very good
Link for this channel pls
Bad transfer it
Its over 1500cp so good
@edgy iron https://discord.gg/pokedex100
Yeah lol
in school do you want a 100 grade or a 0 grade?
😂
@edgy iron ?dex100_me in #bot_commands
oooh, 112 spaces
But I’m games I don’t want to come 100th place
😂
Transfer it
yikes
Ok I will
Need 1 iv best
probably an extremely weird troll
Go search no 1 iv its best
@fossil marsh some vuls and bars were kicked
please read the sign @noble tundra
😬
Oof feel the purge
I’m next
Do not feed the trolls
Ok can Somone help be gay 1iv

How to find klink raid coord :(
Use sgpokemap
🤣
@pseudo finch
Ok 😂
Wait omg I have a iv4 growlithe that means it’s good right
guys why is my fgl pro not working? it keeps goibg back to my original location :(

rubberbanding
Is sgpokemap available on android?
I might start a bobble head collection 🤔
Its a map online
@dark gorgethanks
Its available on the internet period
Oh thanks
yooyle it
😜
ty man @balmy blaze
I only use loogle
@balmy marlin well you missed trapinch
@balmy marlin go on tinder
Ok
What about bumble

I have one of these
Theres a raid hour happening in slovakia rn
Shiny gastly
Yo when I teleport and my gotcha is still active which makes stuff run away.. can this get me banned?
Ready for the Purge

#tips_and_tricks
@primal wing correct
no u
Ok I better be sure to turn it off before I tp then
Yeah I’d recommend that
@balmy marlin it is a great way to get your account red flagged
I spin and catch "test" all the time for months nothing happens
Not sure why you’d tell someone it’s safe to do while we are already breaking the tos
yikes @balmy marlin
Like yeah don’t worry.. I’m a matter of seconds you went from America to Africa and started catching
But niantic is cool with that
😂😂
its fine 😎
Tell yourself another one bud
guys can i ask something
No
Yes
what does nest mean
Nah obviously I'm flying a supersonic jet so I can catch pokemon
Certain pokemon spawn
Alot of spawns in a small area of the same species
Say you find mudkip spawn a lot of mudkip would spawn
but whenever i go to a nest, there is none of the pkm
Nest*
:/
👀
how long does one last normally
Event has messed up some nest spawning but....
2 weeks or days I think
@shadow pine there is a event going on rn that’s messing with all the nests
Dm me the nest coords so i can recheck it plz
Isn't that the point of sniping? Going from one place to another miles and miles away? 🤣
@shadow pine
I have 287 shundos
Da faq are shundos
ahhh have to redownload spoofer so i can get 100 bagon
@balmy blaze i was talking abt a nest i went last week, it probably already gone
Ok 👌 if your running into an issue again let me know and ill get it fixed 😜
I want shundos darkrai but he don’t have shiny
guys why is my joystick in fgl pro not working? help please :)
well not right now
whats probably the "rarest" shiny in the game rn?
@hallow lake #android_ios_support
but it'll come back later as shiny
@crisp sleet shiny abra
Is shiny ants rare
@crisp sleet Abra, or Detective pikachu cause they were accidental/glitches
Shiny abra rare?
gotcha thanks
@balmy marlin yeah only about 5 people have it
It was released only for an hour or something during early access for GO fest
Round square oval
wait theres a shiny abra?/
You can't get it anymore
@balmy marlin where did he get it?
It was only available for like 2 hours or smth
When he online I’ll ask
During last year
You guys still gullible, that cody guy's trolling you for almost 1 hour now
No this year
Hi guys I’m new
No I stopped trolling

It got boring
It was during GO fest chicago this year, only for early access on the first day
Like I would actually transfer 100iv darkrai
@balmy marlin I traded mine away
Pulled a Brandon tan and traded a hundo
I trade hundos all the time 
you can't
They still end up 44iv tho 🤣
lol
But these locals need them
When trading does iv change
Pokémon 225 Delibird
yes iv changes
coming back soon 🙏
What if it’s 100iv does it change or can it stay same
@balmy blaze and what about lugia?
it stays the same when you are transfering it to let's go eevee I believe
In trade ivs reroll
but it is random when you trade it
I hope for new update for pokemon battle to happen using turn based battle😁 right now it's just fast click and swapping pattern
Who knows on lugia its been back already with shiny variant so it may be a while for that one
@calm mantle play the main series game if you want turn based
Lugia with Aeroblast 👌
Yes I just got shundo 
✨
if lugia comes back im going hard on its shiny
@balmy marlin lol right the troll got that
yeah if you want real pvp do the console games
Aeroblast in code?
i only have 1 from breakthrough
Dang
Rlly
And Sacred Fire for Ho-oh
if you want pvp where you just tap and swipe screens, GO is fine
😩
Hello

Corn boy
@tulip leaf UK lady
Is there a shiny darkrai?
@cinder umbra nope
Damn
And Aerial ascent rayray😍
@fossil marsh takes off top hat
Lol
But my fave is Roar of time Dialga
When that shiny comes out
I am going hard
I just want that shiny roar of time dialga
I was happy with mewtwo
but that dialga
I need
@tulip leaf top of the mornin’ to ya m’lady
And palkia cha ching on passes for that
Somehow I don't think they'll put roar of time there

or spacial rend on palkia
mainly because Diamond was my first game
@fossil marsh not even Irish but okay 😂
Lol
Expect that to be on 2021 lol
So quite nostalgic
🇮🇪
For me
Red was my first 
#o.l.d.
No, we need status effect move in pokemon go
laughs in Crystal
In general 🤣
Lol yeah
My first owned game was crystal
Laughs in silences
I borrowed yellow version and never gave it back when the friend moved away 😂
Damn I am young compared to you guys
I wonder what will Niantic do to Dark void on Darkrai
@fossil marsh thief
do trades and sending gifts count towards CD?
okok BET!
After Diamond was Platinum and then Heartgold
and then Black and white
Those are my main games
He stealing items from poke stops again?
my first was yellow
I hope SwSh is good
I would legit cop a switch just for that
No got good again at 5 for me
I wanted a complete dex and a monster team, so I got the other 2 games
Lmao yeah back then I didn't even care about ivs or shiny
then I used the gameshark to get a bunch of legendaries
mainly coz 1/8192 for shinies
and 1/32^6 for a hundred iv
Just wanted a good team and my pokedex completed
When a ditto is nearby does it show up as a ditto on the nearby spoofer map or is it just the pokemon is formed at
We should have traded with that cord.... do you remember trading on gameboy wow!
Lol ok you guys are old
my team could all solo an opposing team of 6
I started off with a dsi
Where can I find a PVP only club?
Which one is more important for Darkrai? 15 defense or 15 hp?
hp
15 tak
They just turned 3 gyms in my old area into ex raids gyms. Been normal and gyms since the beginning. Told the legits years ago Niantic did us dirty with them. I'm sure the legits are happy now.
*atk
I have 15 for all on darkrai
15/x/15 is optimal
lol
Any link to PVP discord channel alone? DM me pls
@balmy marlin #friends_trading_party ???
youtube @balmy marlin
^^
Oh
I have 15/14/15 and 15/15/14 Darkrai
Which one i should Power Up?
AHHH
15/14/15
None of them wait for 15 15 15
you'll find it if you locate the best pvp channels on youtube
no, a hundo pignite spawned a while back
@fossil marsh no bro, there i can post each 8 h! hahha
i caught it
Can you get shiny slug a
no
15/14/15 beats 15/15/15
shiny slugma is sick
Ik
@stuck kernel really?
@stuck kernel for example?
do i catch the 100 Torchic, or this gabite for candies
15/14/15 gains energy faster, uses charged moves faster
No I think he is joking
good thing I kept my main off cooldown
@stuck kernel i wonder too
@stuck kernelwell Idk maybe .. but in pvp no
I know a eevee spawn
For com recap
not talking pvp, in which case...15/15/15 and 15/14/15 are relatively equal
less than that
I mean a pvp channel, where I can give coordinates and read QR
Oh right
yeah im gonna get this one for com recap
Isn't the difference between 0/0/0 and 15/15/15 like 9% or smth
9 second defeat time
pvp 😂 I'm so mad they're actually bringing it into the game so I'll eventually have to deal with it as to not lose out
When a ditto is nearby on the spoofer radar does it show up as ditto or the pokemon is is formed as
pokemon
No but I’m talking about the spoofer radar does it say ditto or zubat (just example)
zubat
What are the odds of getting shiny yamask?
Ok thanks
you know this event is really not bad, I'm stocking up on so many dark/ghost pokemon that i now have... too many.
So if I got one in like 10 checks how many checks is reasonable before I get second one
Guess bro
Maybe another 450 checks
Is it better to search another Pokémon
Do you have to be lvl 30+ to see any pokemon that are hundo's on the 100community channel?
Or try doing this again
I got my first shundo gastly in around 800 checks and my second one just before hitting 1k
Oh
finally found myself a shundo yamask
So it really up to rng
Ight
Congrats @exotic moth
Essen event ?
Which 2 Pokémon use metal coat to evolve
Shiny Mega Steelix
Man that's a sick looking pokemon
Gold snake with Diamond sticking out
I just needed a research task done 😂😂
😩 💦
I don’t have shiny yet
I can’t wait for shiny tentacruel
Easy shundo to get
guys help why is my joystick not working
not enough joy maybe
really want a Mundo Mudkip to spawn....
Damn I sure need a lot of com pokemons for this recap
🤔
ok you never stopped trolling
Eevee doesn't nest for now, cause it's in research 👀
they removed it from the nesting pool
Probably talking about London lol
Yes
oh yeah
I am
well it's not a nest
Im at 7000 checks @ london event and i still got two fc evee left
Sorry I new to this
I am. new here can anyone help me how do I get cords in the #100community for the pokemons.. I cannot find the coordinates only the discord, community & patreon link is showing.
can anyone tell me please
I have 2 shiny fc flare ons
I was trying to get vaporeon but I got the worst one instead
@pliant kernel dw he's a troll lol
I was
@gray agate click on the community link
i was gonna catch me a mundo Totodile a few days ago but it despawned smh
Ezio 👀
Hey enri. 👋🏻
hi
Anyone know a mewtwo nest
..
🤔
...
@balmy marlin go to busan Rayquaza nests there
I don’t have 3 heads tho
So mad rn. 1200 checks on gastly and I waste my shiny luck on a accidentally clicked diglett? Smh
How long until nest report gets updated?
Articuno nests at mount etna tho

@balmy marlin it has been
Last Tuesday
How long until nest report gets updated? @balmy marlin
Check #nest_report
there's a link for reset timer
@balmy marlin it was updated 2 days ago
Foggy conditions
So cloudy doesnt count?
no one.helping me why fgl pro joystick not working :( even in android support section :(
Just making sure 😅 thanks
@snow shore whats up?
:shenron:
There are some boosted darkrai raids now
I really want get into Pokémon showdown is there another discord that might offer help to newbs?
I rlly want shiny cundaquill
Ok thanks
@balmy marlin #friends_trading_party
Hi
I had shiny cyndaquil on pokemon heart gold
It was my first pokemon
I got it after 2439 soft reseats
@solemn flare uses
to counter your 
@tulip leaf I use 🛡
@tulip leaf nope the flame shall keep burning
@balmy marlin I'm ninja I tear through your shield
and use flamethrower
Does costume count as unregistered shinies I have regular shiny pikachu registered so will it cost 20k or 1million for a hat pika?
@iron lodge yes they do

I am super Ninja
@balmy marlin dont share wrong info in sake of trolling
So unregistered hat pikas cost 1million?
Ryu Hayabusa
@fossil marsh grabs fire extinguisher dex is on fire
I’m not trying to troll
@tulip leaf 
At least not anymore
of the Dragon Clan
@iron lodge if its a new friend then yes
wielder of the True Dragon Sword
Can you still get lucky pokemon
yes, if you can get lucky friend @balmy marlin
OMG good morning @wooden fiber
@fossil marsh the roof the roof is on fire if you want to party raise your hands higher
Bruh I aint got no hands
@solemn flare but it doesnt for the costume starters?
hm?
@fossil marsh use your arms
:v
I got a shiny costume starter on an alt and wanted to see how much it was to give it to my mine it was only 20k and I dont have the shiny costume registered on my main

the roof the roof is on fire, we don't need no water let that mofo burn
burn, burn, burn bih burn
How to finish task: battle with a team leader 3 times? I tried to battle master mode between 2 my best friends accts but it doesn’t work. Any advice? Thanks
How do I complete catch a legendary task for my special research?
do a Darkrai raid and catch it
@stuck kernel it's a mythical
How to define team leader ? Friend or not friend, or something else?😂
Not friend
Ok
ooh, do a Darkrai raid at an EX gym, hope for a pass....then do the EX raid and catch the Mewtwo
@viscid atlas battle with blanche, candela, or spark
Anyone have any 100 iv coords they want to submit before I go offline
I am happy i am all done with all research😁
let me see if posted in the oiv channel.
@sly ridge rare catch👍
all done with all research until the next research releases
yep. bot caught it.
I found an 100 IV gligar yesterday, while randomly spoofing in my city to put some mons in gyms
Oof
I found a random 0iv gligar
while I was just playing at zaragoza
but I am sure a bunch of other people must have gotten it
0ivs rarer than 100iv
when we purify a Pokemon does its cp incresed by lvl 25.....or incresed to lvl 25 irrespective of its current cp??👀 😥
but in wild it's the same chance
purified pokemon are at base level 25
and their stats increase by 2 for each category
soo if i power up and purify them.... does its cp increase??
@swift frigate guess yes
more than base level??
Yh
confusing right🤯🤯🤯
purified pokemon operate just like normal pokemon
except they are all base level 25
when you purify a pokemon, its level goes to 25 and all stats (atk/def/sta) all increase by 2
Hello
hewwo
my shadow dratini is having 41 cp....If i power it up to 100 cp+ and purify .....is it better???
@crude thistle sleeping
😩
that's my doubt
sleepwalker
why would you power it up before purifying?
power up cost for shadow pokemon is much much higher than for purified pokemon
power up cost for shadow pokemon is higher than for normal pokemon, purified pokemon have lower power up cost than normal pokemon
help please.. i always get soft ban after spoofing.. do i need to wait?
thanks
When will the shiny start today ? Any idea of time from now ?
with gigantamax and everything mostly only on gen 1
if i wait 2hours a good IV pokemon will be gone
kind of expected
i mean yeah true gen 1 is their most popular generation
with the sudden increase to pokemon storage
oh what is it now?
told you they're gonna turn it into digimon go
they never increase pokemon storage except when adding pokemon soon after
Hello. Can we catch togepy or its evolution in the wild?
togepi only in eggs, togetic in wild
but it's really rare
Hmm in the main series anime is ash gonna continue in alola for another season ?
No togekiss right?
togekiss is evolve only
Thanks
I haven't seen the latest anime
in the main series, ash's journey is supposed to have come to an end
he's been like 12 for ever
thb gen 7 is my least favourite pokemon
the next series will be a return to the start but not contained to a particular region or its pokemon
tbh gen 5 non-legendary is my least favourite
Yea he used to be 12 hes 9 now
and featuring a new trainer
Yep
I mean i just know the mons
but not the game or anything
my fave will always be gen 4
Same here
and then 1 and the rest
Sinnoh was prime
Yea
but my first console was dsi and i got diamond with it
gen 1 and 2
I liked gen 6 as well
gen 6 was cool with mega concept
But gen 5 was meh
cause Mewtwo, Lugia, the legendary beasts
yah
Yea hows that gonna pan out in pogo
gen 5 legendaries are pre cool though
but gen 4 has the creation pokemons
time space and arceus
and giratina
@left raft which game from gen 4 did you play?
I hope mega evos are not seperate pokemon
maybe aye
time, space, and death
sorry if this has been asked but does anyone know the odds for the shiny halloween starters in raids?
Ive been waiting for darkrai for so long... But now that its out im dissapointed tbh
lol
thanks : )
wait til it comes back with dark void or smth
😂
Yea
i wonder how niantic is gonna interpret it
coz it's a deep sleeping move in the main series game
Starter 1/25 chance shiny
I stopped doing it now cuz i my mind it was some op monster but in reality its glass..
yeah
Might be like charm...like charm lowers attack in MSG but now it gives damage
starters really 1/25?
Other than weekly research, anyone know how to obtain the Unova Stone?
i mean i did 25 raids
I did 3 got a decent one and moved to starters lol
Guys but there is a bug?i can t select The bot Chanell to get back The 100 iv channel
I haven't played main console games in 2 years
read #rules_and_guide
I can see DM bot commando channel but not The normal one
So I'm out of the loop on those
Already did
@west igloo dw I was also out of loop, like idk the gameplay but i know the megas and the newer pokemons
like my last main series game was black and white
never played gen 6 or 7
but still know a fair bit about it
I played up until sun/moon, then...I dunno something just stopped working
I lost the passion for it
yeah same
@sharp kraken same here but have no idea about the recent ones lol
lol
Yeah ....no idea bout gen6-7 as it can't run on android
ill get back into the main series game if they don't make games like sword and shield
I played others on android emulators
What about that new box
Wish citra is for andoid
Where can i get budapest coords
@sharp kraken waiting fr that since long
Yep they destroyed it
I thought sword/shield would get me back into the franchise but looking at the reviews....nope
Hap
Oh yea
like they do need new concepts and stuff
i sorta wanna play ultra sun and moon
The new sword nd shield just copied stuff from go ...thing it should have retained its originality
does anyone here play on citra?
Tbh the new approach is horrible
Can anyone help me😓
you can only play the same style of game for so long before you get bored as hell
@radiant oracle just ask the question
@radiant oracle check in pinned msgs
I played sun and moon on citra
I want budapest coords
@sharp kraken every main series game will be on switch from now on, unplayable on citra.
Just search budapest on google map
yeah that's true
It show coord anyway
yeah, 3ds is at it's end now
i guess i will have to buy a switch
the life cycle is over loool
Mine actually has loads of dust over the cover, cause I put it in a spot, and didn't even move it for 18 months - 2 years
lol wth
it's several firmware updates behind etc
i haven't touched my dsi in like 4 years
Legendary Birds = currents and streams
Legendary Beasts = the lightning that struck the tower, the fire that burned the tower, the rains that put the fire out
Weather Trio = hydrosphere, lithosphere, atmosphere
Regi Trio = rocks, mountains, magma
Creation Trio = time, space, anti-matter
Lake Trio = knowledge, emotion, willpower
Tao Trio = yin, yang, wuji
well, like I have it modded with CFW
and the thing I used it for got shut down
(I used to pirate games on there...)
Good morning ☀
Once I lost the passion for pokemon, I had no reason to use the ds anymore so I left it alone
But never knoew about the legenary birds though
currents and streams
that's interesting
Definitely not like deoxy!
one each month lmao
for like 27 straight months
or how many ever types there are in the game
18
moving back to GO, its frustrating how they make the regi trio available for only 4 days
18 months of arceus
ex-raid arceus
cause beyond 4 days is too much
actually idk
I have one of the poke ds games myself. I gave up though when I used the master ball to catch the wrong pokemon! 🤦♀️
lmaooo
@polar kindle you know, I genned in thousands of masterballs
@polar kindle wait which game?
last time, the regis were completely left alone in raids and people had a hard time raiding them because of their bulk
lol
I was able to gen stuff, like make anything out nothing
with the ditto glitch?
@west igloo how so? Cheat codes?
@west igloo really, how?
@sharp kraken the game is pokemon moon
@sharp krakenWhat is Ditto's glitch?
after only a few days, people got sick of the regis, so those that had them already stopped raiding them and those that still wanted them couldn't get enough people together to beat them
so I extract my save, gen what I want inside, then rewrite my save back and thats it
Shinies give them a new reasons to go fr it
not really
I used the master ball on the pokemon that I had been protecting throughout the game
It won't be left alone least this time
yeah shinies
made boxes of battle ready stuff in like 20 minutes
shinies will only hold attention for a few days
I tried for dialga
I used to RNG stuff
@sharp kraken naah..but got a shiny woobat my first ever shiny recently
Pvp 1500 anyone?
oh nice
as soon as people get the shiny, they will move on to a different regi....once having all 3, no more raiding regis
yeah for sure
@west igloo I'm a complete technophobe so I would no doubt mess it up lol. But that's a great idea
why else would i need to go for more shinies
I had some programs where you could actually see/tell when you would get a shiny in the wild or good IV
1 set of each is good enough
Regis? I did like 3 of each that was enough first time around
that's why the 4 days for regis
@somber folio #friends_trading_party
Does the cooldown start if the pokemon flees?
@sharp kraken i did a lot of shiny hunt since fire red...it is pretty easy now..
Regis = 🚮
and reduced odds
Wayyyyyyyyyy
@tidal zenith yea
So is shiny Regis = 🚮 🚮
damn
1/8000 to like 1/400 with charm
Cuz you drop the ball
F
Wait what.... Can you obtain shinies on the moon game cause if so, my heads blown! I need to get my ds back from cash converters if this is the case lol
yes
@polar kindle u can obtain shinies in any of the main series game
@balmy marlin 1/4096...1/683 with charm on gen 6 and onwards..
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I can dm pics of me actually manipulating the game's RNG to the point where I was getting basically shundo in the wild
lol
It was 8000 earlier as I remember! Might b rong
(console games, not GO)
8096 on fire red



I want
oh I have 2 of these

