wyd in this situation

[crystal mulch]

(as mollo)

more realistically when she's a little closer actually

like in babydash jab range

[visual wasp]

Specifically on armada?

[crystal mulch]

also doesn't exclusively apply to the actual ledge, just when in the general space of "the corner" on any stage

[crystal mulch]

nah I just mean like

clairen hits you with sour jab or tipper dtilt or whatever and you DI out

and no tech probably

or even tech out

[visual wasp]

Oh so you’re recovering

[crystal mulch]

and then she just dash dances right outside of dtilt range

[visual wasp]

Oh okay his is what you mean

[crystal mulch]

feels like she can just mash shit to cover grounded options cause jab/dtilt are hard to punish and cover aerial approaches p easily since mollo airspeed is dookey

[visual wasp]

I mean if she’s just outside you have to either overshoot or get creative no?

[crystal mulch]

I mean like this kind of situation

her advantage is obv really good so I don't really want to tech out, tech in or in place gets me punished

[visual wasp]

Cry

[zinc hawk]

My instinct tells me to roll left.

[crystal mulch]

main thing is just jab/dtilt being kind of impossible to whiff punish it feels

unless you call them out with a read

[zinc hawk]

Actually try the take control feature

[crystal mulch]

which I mean I guess that sounds like normal disadvantage on paper but being in this kind of post-dtilt techchase scrap situation thing is one of the most miserable forms of actionable disadvantage for mollo I feel

aside from...recovering against clairen

[visual wasp]

I’m the corner vs clairen i feel like you have to play risky to get out of this scramble

It’s heavily clairen favored already so your options are pretty limited

You can try to maybe run forward triangle dash

Though it’s not a catch all

[copper ermine]

you cry

[crystal mulch]

I do that a lot yeah. doesn't feel super good tho

just like, a slightly less risky parry

cause all she really has to do is jab and then cancel it into a dtilt to catch that

or even like utilt since it's super active, if the triangle dash is long

[zinc hawk]

I might have a stupid idea

Do you think you’d have enough time to jump off stage and then attack to get back on

With fair or sum

[crystal mulch]

sorry dawg but I am NOT voluntarily jumping offstage against clairen

you can do that if you're in the absolute corner but that's just a huge risk

[visual wasp]

You can

Throw a bomb to intentionally get hit then land

Terrible idea

[crystal mulch]

actually I could get free invincibility by killing myself

and that means I get to stop fighting clairen faster

[cold gulch]

dash slightly -> roll thru -> downtilt? might work exactly once

[crystal mulch]

her moves don't got that kinda endlag lol

I'll just get wakeup parried

or if the player is good, turnaround jabbed

I've tried it

[gentle sedge]

Forward strongis

[fickle quest]

asking the same thing but in reverse

[visual wasp]

bait them to do something dumb or press forward at them

[crystal mulch]

jab covers most things out of disadv for clairen tbh

[fickle void]

in this situation you couldve not immedietly did an attack out of disadvantage and then burn all your resources when getting sent offstage

[crystal mulch]

the offstage part doesn't really matter

also it was literally 1 frame off from hitting

I know the wakeup attack got punished but that doesn't mean it was an objectively incorrect choice

and besides, that doesn't really tell me what I should have done instead

[fickle void]

ig you just got unlucky then

i mean usually when im in the corner against clairen i either just jump over them or dash dance and try to whiff punish but im not sure how well that could apply to mollo

[stable scroll]

Just use the plat form to reposition and almost use it to reverse bait

Sylver does this thing to me and is v good at it where he baits plat approaches and punishes them

Specifically like Clairen nair

[copper ermine]

my gameplan in the clairen mu is usually to try and avoid grounded midrange in neutral altogether, as trying to contest wavedash/babydash > jab/dtilt is so hard for mollo. i usually opt to play midrange by offsetting myself vertically from clairen, usually with a platform, as her tools to challenge you at a different height are a little bit weaker than horizontally (still pretty hard though, this mu just sucks lol). if you can close the distance from there, your options open up considerably

if you do end up in grounded midrange, you just kind of have to get a correct callout, so moving in ways to try and collect data is also particularly important against clairen

[stable scroll]

I think that’s why tempest is really good bc she can’t just contest you on plat w nair for free

She has to hard core commit and if she whiffs it’s a free ticket in on her

[narrow wren]

have you tried jumping and then pressing hodan nair

but actually if the clairen is also grounded threatening to go to the plat can be like fine in my experience

clairen kind of has to make a decent commitment to call out your movement if she has to move forward for it

clairen anti airs are also a bit of a commitment i feel like clairen tends to be good at poking your whiffs and landings more than anything

[pseudo marlin]

get babydashed jab faired