#Vintage Story - Community Game Server

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south cypress
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oh there is a rift activity apocalyptic as a thing

wary vapor
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apocalyptic rifts at night is basically Diet Temporal Storm

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I run home, shut the doors and find some smithing or cooking to do

long comet
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It's nice to farm some early flax and gears if you're prepared

south cypress
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well i did manage to get the flax needed to finish the boat so now i have that

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i need to find and build a place to keep my chickens as my starter dirt house seems not best for the long run

rotund dragon
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Boats are nice I guess

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In single player I'm in the middle of a huge continent

south cypress
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i mean i live in a island so it is must

rotund dragon
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I'm not (yet) digging canals

south cypress
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i did also made and planted stuff but it was already fall

wary vapor
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I made my first boat in late autumn just in time for one voyage before the lake chain I built it in froze over rollFeels

rotund dragon
cold berry
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Allright so I DID start up a big apiary area up in origin that can house just over 200 skeps, once winters over we should be more than good for beeswax so long as I can maintain the stocks of skeps

wary vapor
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We need a BIG cattail field

hexed bane
wicked locust
wary vapor
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I mean, if I have the necessary resources and infrastructure to build a cover over that lake then I don't need the boat I put in it 😆

south cypress
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the boat needs a boat house

spring cradle
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I'm generally up for mining iron, though Bellhead shiver lunging at me from the dark will remain forever in my dreams. Damn glad I at least brought chain.

How the frig Nth went AFK down there and didn't die... he had at least surrounded his near area with torches, I guess.

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I did profit a bit from bread trade last session, there's a survival trader NE of oc, hence why I had cash to spend on the traders we went by on the expedition.

wicked locust
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We have soo much to do already

south cypress
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i don't think the boat house is needed if the boat is just on a lake

wicked locust
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Do we have a list of people going who need an elk

spring cradle
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Everyone who wants to go on the next expedition. :3

south cypress
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i am planning to go to the next expedition so i want an elk just need the stuff for the elk and go and kill the boss in the achives for the discount item

wicked locust
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... yes... a list though...

hard meteor
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im not far off my own elk for the expedition, then can help with gears for others, we just need to map traders and what they typically sell so we can do the rounds

wicked locust
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This is going to have to be a group effort on a large scale

wary vapor
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Put me on the no elk list. My road crew days are over, i'm a market hall manager now

spring cradle
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I may skip next expedition and will be happy to donate cog proceeds towards elk 'farming'.

wicked locust
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Will will likely need 1000+ gears

wary vapor
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Maybe I need to install Elk Parking by the market hall entrance... rollLmao

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Elking?

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No, that sounds weird

spring cradle
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Stablelks.

wicked locust
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We will need a stable

wary vapor
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stabelk

spring cradle
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Ah, that's better.

south cypress
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but we will not be stable XD

wary vapor
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There's definitely some space to the right of the market hall entrance, I could see what I can do

wicked locust
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But a list would be great so we can actually run the numbers and get everyone who is going an elk and supplies.

hard meteor
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gear farming is not too hard we just need to plan trade routes, on my single player i have a little route i learned between 4 traders, i stock up every in game week and do my rounds, typically make like 70 gears from that run and thats small effort, but a mob farm would be a good way as well

spring cradle
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Hm, Tannery will need to be busy, we have a fair amount of leather, but the needs are high for that many elks.

hard meteor
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mob farm at depth with water to push mobs in, and safety areas

wicked locust
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I don't want anyone left out. Or anyone just showing up expecting to go without us knowing

spring cradle
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I think you can expect the latter to happen.

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And that Aavak may not want to be exclusive in the journey, even though everyone having an elk would be the best-case scenario for travelling that far.

hard meteor
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i dont think everyone needs an elk for it, but it is a good goal, if the road crew can slowly start making their way out there then that will also greatly reduce the time needed, even if not paved

long comet
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Very efficent mob grinders used to be possilbe with hot water from springs

wicked locust
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I think its further than lab

hard meteor
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i think those are still possible, do we know of any geothermal spots yet

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its 20k to the village iirc

long comet
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They used to be much simpleer as you could move hot wate

spring cradle
wicked locust
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I think we want everyone to have one because otherwise we will have to wait for them constantly.

hard meteor
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we will want to road to village anyway, i imagin others will also want to build around it, even if we dont pave, just having a flatish path would be good

long comet
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It's also a problem that an elk can only be called upon witha a bone flute if you were the one who placed the medalion on them

spring cradle
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Can't you only call on them if they're in the nearby area as well?

long comet
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the area is still quite large

wary vapor
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Is the village something we want to visit and be around regularly? I don't know anything about the place

long comet
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so I guess a stable would be required if a communal elk would be made available

hard meteor
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yes, ||it has allot of traders, and its just a great place to explore and live around imo||

wary vapor
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Ah, I see

wicked locust
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Im pretty sure it was the planned last stream that we would get one for everyone going

wary vapor
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Good way to get gears then

spring cradle
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Would not call it a necessity though.

wary vapor
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the road project will be mammoth though

spring cradle
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One-tile express road.

hard meteor
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its also why i kinda wanted us to wait on the expediton to make a 2nd town till after we got the village location, to make it towards the village, but oh well, and it worked out this way anyway since the village ended up not being south

wicked locust
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Nessisary no.. you could have a caravan and make it there.

wary vapor
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Do we have any translocators that shorten the distance?

hard meteor
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that will take time to map, thats someone we could scout for tho

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translocaters have a max range they can connect to, is it 5 or 8k max? but it would massivly shorten distance if we can chain afew

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now we know the direction we need to go

wary vapor
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If we don;t have it already we definitely need a location in OC that documents all the translocators people have found

wicked locust
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But the group last time basically made the plan.

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So unless you convince the powers that be...

hard meteor
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i mean the only thing decided i think was everyone having elks, plans can change as well, this wont be for several weeks anyway

wicked locust
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That is what we should focus on doing if we don't want this to be an utter mess.

spring cradle
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So, less roadwork and translocator fiiguring out, more grinding cogs and leather.

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Is that what you're saying?

hard meteor
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between road building and translocater jumping, we should be able to shorten distance considerably, if we dont, then elks become more nessisary for everyone, but farming 50 gears is doable for the people that want to come, we will also make allot of gears just exploring for translocaters

south cypress
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i mean do we need road right away

wicked locust
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No

spring cradle
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Imo, not really.

south cypress
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so focus on getting cogs and elk stuff

spring cradle
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There's an ongoing roadworks project that probably should be seen to its end, and it's been eating up people's weekends as is.

hard meteor
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i wouldnt expect us to do the journey to village for several weeks anyway, lots of time to prep and slowly work eastwards

wicked locust
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I would like to have a reasonable level of order in this so it doesn't end in disaster

south cypress
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well the origin town to Labrador mountain road is also a thing needs to be done

wicked locust
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Aavak implied roughly two weeks of prep

spring cradle
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Indeed, no need to cancel one project, just let whatever hands want to work on the different things work on those.

hard meteor
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theres several paths people can work on towards the goal, working on finding translocaters to shorten route, planning/laying out initial pathways for road, farming gears for their mounts, theres lots of ways to farm gears as it is

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I thought it was implied simply by how long it takes for everyone to be ready with the elks would be the sign when we are ready

wicked locust
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We have 15-30 people on the server at any given time.

south cypress
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elks are good to have as you can bring more food but also bring more loot back

hard meteor
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exactly, even if not using it to save a bunch of time they are a huge asset to have anyway for most people

south cypress
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good for mining and stuff too as they can carry the ore

hard meteor
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elks have 20 slots i think for the sturdy bag right? + they carry a bed and cookpots for longer journeys

long comet
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To be frank mining bags are more of an asset for mining

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they're great for remote mining though

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before an outpost is estabilished

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as they can act as a mobile base in some capacity

wicked locust
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Have 5-10 for farming & normal activities. 3-5 for roadworks. The rest for mission prep.

south cypress
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i am just gonna finish my house and build the bee farm for ton of honey for ton of mead

hard meteor
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if we encourage people to also just be exploring it should be fine, now allot have basic armor, we can really start mapping translocaters, if we find 2 that connect towards the village, we mark those and plan the road to them, and keep using that as stepping stones

wicked locust
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Wait you won't help?

hard meteor
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il be mostly doing my own thing as well, il passivly farm up the gears i need for my elk probably next week, then start doing more exploration anyway, just more in the direction we need to go

south cypress
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does the elk telepot to you if you are a far away

spring cradle
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No. You can flute for it if you have ownership, and apparently the area you can call it from is large, but it moves through the world.

hard meteor
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i think its 1k range for the elk flute?

wicked locust
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I would like this to be a team effort if possible.

spring cradle
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Alice, I imagine you will get helping hands, but not everyone on the server would be in it for the expeditions.

south cypress
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well Aavak said that people need to tend to the fields and stuff

hard meteor
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it was also suggested to let people get back to their own projects for abit i thought since we been doing allot of story stuff

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let people do their own thing with a goal towards the village when we ready

wicked locust
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True

hard meteor
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theres no rush for the village, the important part is knowing the location to slowly work towards it

long comet
wicked locust
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I just think that some people won't nessisarily have the time to do all the prep work themselves. And would feel bad if they couldn't go because no one was interested in helping out.

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Anyways I have to go back to work.

wary vapor
spring cradle
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Yes, but it isn't your/our job to help everyone. First yourself, then whoever you can and want to. We play for fun.

wary vapor
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I've been working basically full time on the market hall for the past three streams and i'm content doing that

long comet
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also remember to carry poultice with you for the elk if you are taking care of one

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you don't want it to die

south cypress
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wiki has not awnser how far away you can summon it

spring cradle
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Good advice, though I've never had to heal my elk in single player.

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It heals minor scrapes pretty fast on its own.

hard meteor
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also if the elk actually reaches 0 gp, you can revive it with healing items, but its timed

spring cradle
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Yeah.

hard meteor
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you have a time limit to heal before it actually fully dies

long comet
spring cradle
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I think it becomes immobile at 6 HP?

hard meteor
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i assume we can access the elks storage when its in a downed state

spring cradle
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(I too am an anvil hog)

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Honestly you making a second iron anvil in the windsmithy helped out a lot.

hard meteor
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well il be building 2-3 more anvils next week, allot of the time my helve hammers are free so just ask if u need the space, most often im fine with people using my helves and anvils

south cypress
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i might need to upgrade my armour too

long comet
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The plan is to have even more anvils for the moving of smithing operation out of the windmill and into the second floor of the redsmithy, incidentally making it a regular smithy

hard meteor
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i also just set up a pulverizer in my place, going to be setting up an auto quern with hoppers next, so can help with that as well

spring cradle
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Though I'll miss the Windsmithy name. Maybe keep one anvil in there for the memories?

long comet
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Yeah the current plan for the windmill is to have an automatic quern in the mill and have helve hammers and pulverizers in the second floor of the smithy

hard meteor
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i realllly hope i can find some traders selling the armor set i want, thats what i would love to upgrade to over the next few weeks

long comet
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Forlorn?

hard meteor
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yup

spring cradle
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Who has that? Treasure hunters and luxury traders?

long comet
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It's great we're looking for luxury traders either way too

hard meteor
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its hit and miss if the traders that carry it actually have it in stock, but ya i need to get my gear stock higher first, elk priority then armor

long comet
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forlorn hope is only luxury

hard meteor
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the last peice i seen for sale i think was 34 gears for the chestpeice..

south cypress
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i need luxury traider too for the blue glass

long comet
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I can however get enough gold for the repair of it

spring cradle
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There was a big gold vein found, wasn't there?

long comet
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having at least one blackguard zooming in forlron hope armour would be great

hard meteor
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oh we actually have a proper gold vein nearby? that would be huge

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i have never found a gold or silver vein in game yet, only stuff in quartz

long comet
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yeah the gravel desert north-east-east of Thousand Spears seems to have diffuse gold veins in there

spring cradle
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Striking gold, pretty rare, it turns out.

hard meteor
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who would have thought lol

long comet
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and even further north east I found the silver vein from which almost all of our silver came

hard meteor
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also finding titanium would be nice, just to slowly get a stock of tier 3 refractory

wary vapor
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You get a vein of gold in quartz wuthin a larger quartz vein

spring cradle
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No, you can find native gold and native silver veins, as Jem says.

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It even shows up on long distance prospecting. At least I believe so?

wary vapor
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The wiki is out of date then

spring cradle
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Or maybe I'm full of it.

long comet
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No, no the host rock of gold is quartz

spring cradle
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Oof, full of it then.

long comet
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silver can be hosted by quartz and galena

spring cradle
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Ah, half full.

long comet
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But the general area there has ultra high zinc, high copper, decent tin, poor bismuthine and several spots with miniscule gold

spring cradle
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So gold readings are always in host quartz?

long comet
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gold readings mean that if you find a quartz vein it's almost guaranteed to have gold in it

wary vapor
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yes

spring cradle
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Neat, I know of several of those in my single player.

long comet
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but it could happen that there are simply no quartz veins for the gold to have spawned in

wary vapor
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in my single player I found gold bits on the surface, dug down, hit quartz eith gold in it

spring cradle
wary vapor
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Yeah for a while I basically ignored quartz deposits, now i'm going back over my local ones and mining them out just for the silver and gold

spring cradle
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Yeah, I must have confused something I read because I thought gold and silver only showed up on long distance prospecting if they were native independent veins.

south cypress
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best check with prospecting pic to make sure it has gold or silver

wary vapor
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yarp

long comet
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sadly the gold veins I found so far have only been poor

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the silver one i found was bountiful however

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so a bunch of people got reflectors for their lanterns from that

south cypress
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i just used the two gold ingots i found from archives and mined some gold from a quartz from cave that was buried and explored already

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to make gold lantern with gold lining XD

long comet
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Now that I made a few suit of armour already I could lead an expedition to mine out the rest of the silver from the place I discovered

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We're also so, so close to getting a terminus teleporter

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and that needs 2 plates of electrum too

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we should have enough gold for that already

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last I checked we had 72 nuggets in storage

south cypress
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is it like the translocators but you can place them where ever you want?

long comet
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Terminus teleporters, teleport you to your death's location

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at a cost of 1 temporal gear

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we're just missing 2 components for that

hard meteor
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Terminus will be huge for the community once we get it

long comet
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a flux capacitor and a complex joint

hard meteor
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what are we missing, i have 3 parts i got from mobs, tho i think 2 of them are for the night vision

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hmm

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i dont remember what i have, will have to check next week

dawn moss
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is it possible to make a mob farm in this game for jonas parts?

hard meteor
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yes

spring cradle
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Yes.

long comet
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is it? don't only sawblade locust drop jonas parts outside of storms?

spring cradle
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Nightmare tier enemies have a drop rate for it. Think it's the most common from the sawblade locusts.

hard meteor
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i would suggest making it really deep, then using water to push the mobs, then its up to you how u wanna design a killbox or safe area

long comet
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I guess bell shivers also drop the stuff

spring cradle
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At least, I THINK Nightmare tier have a drop rate. I remember getting a part from a Nightmare drifter which surprised me.

hard meteor
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the 3 jonas parts i have gotten so far i have gotten from my hell hole under my base

south cypress
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a minecraft style mobfarm XD

hard meteor
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usually around the bells that spawn

long comet
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but, yeah we're just missing 2 components, a little silver and coke to smelt the cupronickel

hexed bane
spring cradle
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Coke should be easy since you can make the cookery from basic fire clay.

hard meteor
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well we got alittle coke in my place right, and we got lots of nickle, i can quickly do a cupronickle smelting run

long comet
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From what I remember it takes something in the ballpark of 50 coke to smelt a full crucilbe of cupronicke;

wary vapor
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A terminus teleporter would be a godsent but we HAVE to make sure we're sparing with it's use, only for emergencies, or we'll never have a spare temporal gear in OC again

long comet
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because I remember 30 wasn't enough one time i tried to smelt some and that was just wasted effor

hard meteor
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im always getting temporal gears from the mobs im killing in my basement, i can start dropping some off for the cave ifwe need

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but we will be swimming in temporal gears if we get a mob farm

south cypress
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maybe good for the expedision the teleporter

hard meteor
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moments like this im finally glad im a black guard, makes killing nightmares allot easier in the depths

south cypress
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unless the story locations block teleporations too

hard meteor
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my last run well i was mining nickle and iron in the mine to the west which is pretty deep, i think i came back with 4 temporal gears just from that run, killed like 30 mobs well trying to mine X.X

long comet
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I've also seen people use them for mass transit of materials

rotund dragon
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I've only gotten Jonas parts from bells and those saw things

hard meteor
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would love some night vision goggles for when im mining tho, its what i been slowly trying to work on, just being able to free up lantern spots well diving into the depths would be nice, tho losing head protection may be scary

south cypress
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so no way to make a translocator type of things

long comet
hard meteor
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thats why i want it, having a shield down there would be huge, but just scared what would happen if i get hit in head by nightmare enemies

south cypress
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man the night vision mask looks cool

hard meteor
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im always killing tier 4 dmg enemies, scary as hell fighting them all the time 😦

spring cradle
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At least you're in what, steel now?

hard meteor
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i had to kill like 5 of them last time i went to harvest my bees in my basement lol

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yup, steel chain

south cypress
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looks something from death space

long comet
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I don't think the damage calculation takes the hitbox placement into account, though I very well might be wrong

south cypress
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i assume steel is the best metal currently?

hard meteor
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yup

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titanium is in game but we cant make any gear of it right now

long comet
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unless it's mobility you want

long comet
rotund dragon
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Is it?

south cypress
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so titanium alloy?

long comet
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it's hard and not very a malleable

hard meteor
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i been told by several people that titanium is the next planned tier, maybe they mistaken?

long comet
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from what I looked at at the handbook items stainless steel would be a better guess

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it exists as an item already

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and it would use chromium, nickel and manganese

south cypress
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if stainless steel comes then rusting of gear might show up too

long comet
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stainless steel main appeal is that is actually rusts less than regular carbon steel

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both require proper maintanence if you want to keep it rust free

hard meteor
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i feel stainless steel would be a side grade to steel, with slight advantages perhaps gameplay wise, like meteoric is to iron in game

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i think stainless steel will also be allot more important as we get more steam based tech in game

south cypress
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maybe better in sense as normal steel rusts faster than stainles

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maybe see copper rust too

long comet
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rusting of gear is unlikely to come in my opinion

hard meteor
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we also have maganese and tunsgten in the assets

long comet
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maybe it would be the reasoning for it to be more durable against the influence of the other world

hard meteor
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we could also get more into the fanasty element as well, forogt the name of the mineral we already have referenced in lore

south cypress
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mithril?

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oricalcum?

hard meteor
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nah, its related to jonas parts

long comet
hard meteor
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ya thats it

spring cradle
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Cupronickel?

long comet
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which is already mentioned in game

spring cradle
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Aha.

long comet
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it's the stuff temporal gears are made of

hard meteor
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and i think golems and the little locust use right?

long comet
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yeah, the tamed locust has this distinctive green colour

rotund dragon
spring cradle
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Makes sense suddenly the Forlorn armor is made part of that.

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Thought that was all just bling.

south cypress
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maybe a lesser version of the metal not as goos as the temporal gears are made of

long comet
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it's pure bling

hard meteor
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i expect the endgame of vintage story will be well into the prima materia, but ya im not sure we will see that for awhile to actually play around with

long comet
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it's explicitely mentioned that the forlorn hope was unprepared for the rot with their estocs

spring cradle
hard meteor
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i just want my steam tech, tracks, carts, gas lights like we have in the archive

long comet
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and the armour also has spurs

rotund dragon
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???

south cypress
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i just want a plimp to fly with as the game has steampunk stuff in it

long comet
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the inclusion of spurs is a feature that was form the use of the regiment before the rot as cavarly

hard meteor
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i just imagin small airships about the size of the sail boats that can carry about as much as well, that would be glorious

long comet
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once humanity retreated underground the feature became useless

hard meteor
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even if they slower moving

spring cradle
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I feel there is an inconsistency in what you're saying Jem. Rot came before Jonas starting inventing stuff, and the Forlorn Hope came after.

long comet
spring cradle
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I think the estoc lore is referring to the temporal storms, not the Rot.

rotund dragon
hard meteor
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i at this point know the most of the current story so i gotta be careful speculating since i dont wanna spoil some things for people yet

long comet
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they were regular cavarly before

south cypress
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blimp

spring cradle
long comet
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composed of young nobles

hard meteor
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yes we grind up young nobles and put them into the armor, glorious

long comet
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there were changes made to them in the early stages of the rot

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the religious fanaticism linked with alchemy and prima materia

hard meteor
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theres also allot we still dont know of the age we currently live in

spring cradle
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Well, let's not get too into spoiler territory then, I haven't dived deep into the journals. Mainly have stuff from the Resonance Archives.

long comet
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they are called the forlorn hope because that's was their role, the first to try to break the hold the rot took on the world

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as forlorn hope is the name of the people who would be the first to try and scale enemy walls

rotund dragon
long comet
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But as this discussion begun with discussion of armour superority here's how that looks
For Best Defence:
1st Steel Plate
2nd Meteoric Plate
3rd Iron Plate/Blackguard Armour/Forlorn Hope armour

rotund dragon
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Ah

long comet
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the antique armours have less penalties than iron plate

spring cradle
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Plate is cool. Try it out and marvel at how tanky (and slow) you get. At least from iron up.

long comet
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The most important thing about them is that they have 2/3 and 1/2 the healing penalty for the blackguard and forlorn armour respectively

hard meteor
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i love plate armor, but the mobility even as a black guard is rough, its why i love the special armor like forlorn hpe or blackguard

rotund dragon
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I usually go with gambeson or bronze lamellar

long comet
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for a full set of iron the penalty is 100% and for full set of pristine forlorn hope it's 51% for healing

hard meteor
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forlorn plate has similar movement speed debuffs as scale armor, but near equal protection to plate armor

spring cradle
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Effective healing in iron/meteor/steel plate is practically impossible, so you have to ditch some or all pieces to heal up.

rotund dragon
long comet
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actually the penalty is for plate mail in general

hard meteor
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forlorn i think has a -51% healing penalty with the entire set?

spring cradle
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He said.

rotund dragon
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Chain seems nice but it's a pain to make

spring cradle
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On the other hand, being so tanky means you don't die so easy and have the opportunity to hole up somewhere to heal.

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Bears? No problem.

long comet
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the movement penalty is also significantly lower, 42% compared to 24% between regular plate and forlorn hope

rotund dragon
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It depends on the situation

spring cradle
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Though all the anti-bear deterrent you really need is gambeson.

long comet
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it's also worth remembering that the blackguards get a multiplicative reduction in the movement penalty

rotund dragon
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Oo

hard meteor
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ya the movement perk for armor on a blackguard is really nice if u plan to wear the heavy armors

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im just sad we dont have a sturdy armor variant of the basic leather set with no downsides

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i know theres mods for that, but would love something in the base game

spring cradle
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Gambeson's downside is hoovering up linen.

long comet
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Now if you favour ranged weapons the ranking of armour is quite different:
If you really dislike penalites:
1st Leather Armour (no penalties whatsoever, tier 1)
2nd Tailored Gambeson (minor penalites to hunger, 30% reduction in healing for a full set, tier 2)
3rd Gambeson(a moot point in MP, a little movement speed and hunger penalty, 51% healing penalty{the same as brigandine}, tier 2)
4th Any chain (a little penalty to accuracy, movement speed and charge time (9% for the first two, 18% for the charge time), 22,5% hunger rate, outclasses in below tier 3 protection, iron outclassed by tailored gamebson against tier 4 enemies)
Your Options for balance:
Tailored Gambeson-Hit and run tactics, staying at range, fits all situations
Chain- Knowingly going to dangerous places while avoiding penalties, wearing all the time possible
Brigandine-A ranged focused playstyle with option for melee, sidegrade to chain,less cost,slightly lower defence,higher penalties and more durability, constant wearing discouraged
Scale-Melee focused playstyle with option for ranged, upgrade to chain, sacrificing mobility for greater survivability

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and a general overview of plate is that, you can stay in the thick of things for quite a while longer than other people, but recovery is harder, staying at range almost impossible

spring cradle
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It is also your only means to survive more than a few tier 4 Nightmare attacks.

long comet
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yeah, tier 4 attacks wreck all armours that aren't steel or plate armour and even then it's only the 4 iron plate armour types which can take those hit more than a few times before being destroyed

lunar lion
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I will stick with my "just don't get hit" gambeson 😄

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Though having a set of chain for cave diving might be smart

long comet
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as was mentioned in very dangerous places a gambeson might actually be better than iron chain, though you might need a way to repair it with you

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the greatest benefit of a gambeson is that you can put it on and forget about it

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well, until you notice you start taking more damage than you used to and need to find a tailor to repair it for you

rotund dragon
lunar lion
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I do like my speed

rotund dragon
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Who doesn't

lunar lion
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Blackguards

rotund dragon
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???

long comet
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they do too, why would they be faster in armour?

lunar lion
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They are plate fanatics

rotund dragon
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Need for speed underground

long comet
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well, faster than most in armour

lunar lion
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I swear they want to encase themselves in as much metal as possible

rotund dragon
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Ironman

lunar lion
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XD

rotund dragon
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Is there a plan for a canal network on the server?

south cypress
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i am not sure that is good idea

rotund dragon
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It's not 😈

lunar lion
wispy swift
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So with some back reading, besides slowly working away at remodeling the Labrador post office, there are a few things I can see about working away at for the expedition. For the traders I have marked out between the towns, I'd be willing to regularly check what they're buying and make runs for people on my trips. The next couple of streams are ideal for me to start working away at gathering addresses as well for the post office address book. Besides the main infrastructure/points of interest, I could prioritize noting down translocator and trader positions.

steel crater
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225 new messages in just one day....
cracks knuckles
We really shouldn't try building a road to the village, it's just too far.
Using translocators to shorten the distance to the village is only a good idea if we can bring our elks along with us. Can elks teleport if you walk it onto the translocator?
Anyone that gets an elk needs to first learn from those who know the ways how to take care of the elk; specifically don't let it die and don't fall into pits
Traders trade all sorts of things; we won't be relying solely on gems or bread to get gears.
People that already have elks are in a position to really help with gear trade, because they can get to traders faster and scout for more traders. If you look at the map of the official VS community server, you'll see that traders carpet the whole world every 500-1000 blocks or so.
and PSA: whoever picked up the meteoric plate pants, please return them to the armory

hexed bane
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If we use TLs with elks, people will have to do it 1 by 1 to make sure they can mount the elk on the other side in time before it's sent back

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Also if anyone has slow connection, it becomes even more difficult

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I would also suggest that people don't spend gears on other things before everyone who wants to go on the trip has an elk, but it's probably an unpopular opinion and no one will agree to it

wary vapor
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Nah I agree, I'm not gonna spend gears unless it's for rare armour

hexed bane
rotund dragon
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getting >40 people an elk
yikes

hexed bane
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Don't think all 40 will want to go, but 10-15 at least probably

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Which is why 2 weeks is not enough at all, especially if people don't help each other

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A full set of forlorn armor costs like 2.5 elks or something, why are we even considering it right now?

austere furnace
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As someone who has missed both expeditions and so far never donned even wood lammelar armour, i would prefer an elk <_<

hexed bane
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I'm going to say it right now so people don't think I'm exaggerating later: if I can't join the expedition, I will probably leave the server, because I never did story content before and want to experience it first-hand, not watch it on stream.

austere furnace
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Yeah well, im in Australia, the time difference makes it difficult to be on when expeditions get started. Its easy to not spoil the majority of the content when you're keeping busy restocking supplies for everyone to come back to and only listening to stream rather than actively watching.

hexed bane
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I'm close to Aavak's time zone, but so far most of the expeditions started in the second half of the stream, which is late night for me. Since the next few streams will just be building, I might skip the second half of them to sleep. Which also means I'll have less time to farm gears for my elk by the way, and I don't expect anyone will want to help me unless Aavak specifically says "you should help everyone, not just your friends", several times.

austere furnace
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Yeah, im 8 hours ahead of Aavak so second stream usually starts early hour of sunday morning for me, hence i miss the expeditions.

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I've been working on restocking lab mountain mostly. Which also currently has a tonne of various grains that could be used to the bread trading idea, just need someone who gets an elk to make the run down and around to traders. Realistically I'm not getting the content to get the elk done myself anytime soon, so you can take whatever gears can be earned from my contributions.

rotund dragon
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still sad we can't do anything with wolf pups

vocal holly
vocal holly
wicked locust
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This is a community server for a community experience.

cold berry
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I wouldnt be surprised if we end up doing the story content on the first stream of the day since were gonna have proably at least two full streams to do things outside of it. Plenty of time for winter to end and people to get settled in nicely for anything.

wicked locust
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If you want an elk but are not going with the group getting it is not impossible but you either have to get the supplies yourself or wait.

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Two people already have elk at this point.

wicked locust
cold berry
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Ive allready got another 11 rusty gears to donate to the elk cause

wicked locust
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Yey

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I've got a total of 19 and a discount

south cypress
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how hard is the archives boss solo?

wicked locust
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Not sure this is true but I heard it adjusts to number of people. Not sure if its how many people are nearby or are on the server.

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If its the number on the server it would be the same as last time so if you brought LOTS healing/ammo and had a lot of time on your hands you could do it.

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But if it adjusts to the people nearby then it would be alot faster/cheaper.

south cypress
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maybe someone can go and test it

wicked locust
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Spoiler for those who have not fought the boss and care. ||test||

south cypress
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maybe a black guard go to test if soloing it is easy or hard

wicked locust
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||since its trapped. You might be able to stand on top of the ledge and just rain arrows on it||

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It dosnt seem it scales with player count according to the webernet

south cypress
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so the difficulty of the fight is not effected by players but the loot does i assume?

wicked locust
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Yes

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So it would be best to take as many as possible

south cypress
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yeah as it only respawns only so often

wicked locust
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Yeah so we could get as many discounts as possible.

south cypress
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the persion whom will be getting the elk need to buy it as same persion cannot get second discount

wicked locust
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I already have one but would be up going again. But I still need help getting the gears.

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Well yes but it dosnt matter who kills the boss.

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So if I can help kill the boss and get some people discounts while others farm gears we can get lots of elk

fringe atlas
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Hi everyone, I am going to pin a message in a moment to get some information about who wants to go on the expedition and to try and track who has an elk already and who has a discount. Next week I will be talking to Sblibbo and the post office peeps about setting up chests to bring me the donated gears so they can be kept in one place and I can keep a tally of what we have.

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Hi all, this pinned message is to register your interest for the expedition to the Village please add your name if you are interested in going along with whether you have an elk, and whether you are eligible for the discount yet:

fringe atlas
fringe atlas
south cypress
knotty helm
rotund dragon
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what is elk discount?

blissful cipher
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The head of the first boss.

rotund dragon
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oh

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thanks

blissful cipher
hexed bane
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Maybe some of the people who got the trophy but are not planning to go can donate it as well (if we have such people)

fringe atlas
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We can always ask about that on Saturday, they could be put in the donation boxes along with the gears if anyone has them to spare. Then we can start getting the elk to the people that need it.

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It would be nice to keep the system going once we are done for people that want an elk but are not going on the expedition too.

steel ore
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Killed the eidolon with only 2 people in iron chain, wasn’t that bad. Pretty sure it scales with players, or could be game just didn’t know how to handle the massive group when we went the first go round.

fringe atlas
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Seems like we probably won't need too many people to farm that boss then, since it only spawns every few days. Personally I am just going to go around the Labrador Mountain area finding the southern merchants that might want to trade for bread, or other simple things. I will also be fighting outside in the temporal storms to see if I can get any goodies then (or maybe just hiding in my cook house and letting them in a few at a time).

south cypress
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maybe people died because some people where thrown around and getting hit by our archers or other melees while flying around among the fall damage

hexed bane
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From the boss I mean

spring cradle
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Since we only got 11 heads and there were more of us in the scrum.

hexed bane
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Yeah so it's better to go with more people as long as everyone is prepared, so we can get enough trophies in just 1 go

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Does it drop anything besides that?

spring cradle
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Gears and parts potentially.

hexed bane
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So that means we get more gears too

spring cradle
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Maybe yeah.

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Not sure on the specifics of that.

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Just know I got very surprised to see that many eidolon elucidatory vessels in my inventory when we downed it.

hexed bane
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Also a question for people who have done the story already: is the location we're going to the one where ||we have to jump a lot||? Because we might need gliders for that, I think.

spring cradle
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I am spoiled so: no, and it may not help all too much.

That said if the stream starts early it might hit multiple story locations and get there, but what with herding puppy labrador dapperlings and all, I suspect it may not.

vocal holly
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Does env damage kills drop loot?

rotund dragon
hexed bane
vocal holly
rotund dragon
vocal holly
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So the answer is yes, fantastic. dprCULT dprCOFFEE

long comet
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I know i used a cementation furnace once

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Though that is quite literally playing with fire

heavy condor
south cypress
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so the boling water trap got nerfed as it seemed to be too OP in the devs eyes

spring cradle
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Temporal gears sounds good to have regardless.

hexed bane
long comet
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We're very close to be able too get a terminus teleporter too, so that's also a method of catching up

hexed bane
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This time I think we need at least 2 per person, maybe more, so we can set spawn on the way just in case. Maybe we could even do the first half of the way during the first stream, build a small camp, and then the second half during the second stream.

hexed bane
long comet
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Yeah, but people dying mid journey could still use them

spring cradle
hexed bane
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It's like 20k from spawn, right?

spring cradle
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Next location is.

hexed bane
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So even further than Labrador, and that one took like 5-6 irl hours to get there

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Not sure how much faster it will be with elks, forests are hard to navigate

spring cradle
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Labrador founding was more exploration than just journeying was my impression. I was not there for that, though.

hexed bane
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Right, we will also need some healing for elks, it's likely that a couple of them will fall to their deaths

spring cradle
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Sure, bringing healing is a given.

hexed bane
hexed bane
spring cradle
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Any type of bandage is my impression.

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So horsetail works fine, even if it isn’t a horse. 😃

south cypress
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is the alcohol soaked bandages the best healing item or is there even beter ones?

spring cradle
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Not sure. Those are +7 hp right?

south cypress
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that is what wiki says

vocal holly
south cypress
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Honey-sulfur poultice (from linen) also does +7HP

spring cradle
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And lasts longer, I imagine.

south cypress
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yeah as you need to craft the alcohol soaked bandages when you plan to heal as it will dry and becomes clean bandages

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so you need jug of aqua vitae along some clean bandages

wary vapor
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I kinda baffled by that feature to be honest

hard meteor
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Kalisa - Elk: no - Elk discount: yes

wary vapor
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Like the value of a healing item with a higher number is really just that you can heal faster

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But if you have to add the alcohol to the bangades as you need them, that's way more time

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It would be quicker to have a weaker healing item ready to go on your hotbar

hard meteor
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it also a difference in resource cost, aqua vita is not that hard to come by and makes your stock of bandages go further if you take the time

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think if it more of something to be used out of combat

south cypress
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well the bandage is cheaper as the Honey-sulfur poultice (from linen) need linen which is already short on supply

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and you can make bandages from clothing you don't need

rotund dragon
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🧐

wicked locust
dawn moss
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ive already done the story up to the end and dont want to spend 6 hours walking again, so for this reason; im out

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if we are gonna be bulk buying elk though should we setup a stable in town?

rotund dragon
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🤔

wicked locust
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Sure

rotund dragon
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How does that work?

wicked locust
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What?

blissful cipher
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If I recall correctly, it's 25k from spawn, not 20. It's 10k further on from the last area, which was around 14k away from OC.

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Also, the reason we weren't sleeping should be obvious... it was easier to kill the Eidelon than it is to coerce everyone on the server to either get to a bed or log off so we can cycle through the night, and even when we did, quite often those of us waiting for sleep to happen had been in bed so long we could only skip 4 hours or so forward because the character's weren't tired enough anymore for anything more than that XD

rotund dragon
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😂

wary vapor
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Yeah, and every time there's a sleep attempt the half of the server that didn't want to sleep either have to sit in a bed twiddling their thumbs or log off and sit there waiting to be allowed back on

south cypress
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basicly the same problem minecraft use to have

long comet
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Except worse because the time can't be simply skipped but is instead only sped up

south cypress
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like a one minecraft mod that does that

wispy star
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theres a command in mc that lets you reduce the % of players who need to be asleep

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would something like that be necessary here?

south cypress
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have you seen the speed up that happens

long comet
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the problem is that the way sleeping works that would be extremely disruptive

wicked locust
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Pretty sure Aavak dosnt want to do that

long comet
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or be very easy to exploit

rotund dragon
long comet
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because boom your blooms are done, you're starving and the metal you've been doing is now cold

wicked locust
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The problem tends to be people AFK, those who are not paying attention, or not listening to the stream.

wispy swift
# fringe atlas Hi all, this pinned message is to register your interest for the expedition to t...

Sblibbo - Elk: Yes - Elk discount: N/A

I'd be more than happy to set up chests for the gears and discount heads. I was debating on whether the post office would be a good place or not for it with how much I'm out and about, but if I can pass those items along to you Shelab for centralization, I'd be glad to.

I think it got buried yesterday, but I'm also planning on checking in with the traders between Origin and Labrador during my trips. I can keep tabs on what they're wanting, whether that be breads, tools, or otherwise, and bring the stuff for the trades if desired. It would be less for me to keep track of if what I'm sent with to trade goes to the communal Elk coffers.

I noticed someone dropped off a saddlebag in the Origin post office, so I could see about setting up some Elk equipment chests as well. Of note, the medallion requires tin bronze nails and scrap specifically, so making sure we have some tin bronze available would be helpful. The saddle, bags, and bit do not have this specifiication.

hexed bane
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So about selling bread, remember that it needs to be really fresh, not just "not spoiled". I once tried to sell bread that had 2 days of freshness left, and the trader would not accept it.

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So only bake it if there's a trader with a demand that can be reached pretty quickly. Not sure what this means for traders on the road to Labrador.

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I guess if there's more than a day to reach the trader, the person doing the delivery can just take the flour and the oven with them to bake it on the spot

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Maybe we could even make baking outposts near every trader that buys bread

wary vapor
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Like a streetfood cart parked up by their wagon 😆

hexed bane
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Mobile bakery lol

rotund dragon
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I don't think I'll be ready for a story mission any time soon 😓

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will probably do them in single player then 🤷‍♂️

blissful cipher
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You'll have plenty of time.

steel crater
south cypress
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gonna do the 1.20.10 update now

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never mind might be the mod i have

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having a issue updating

vocal holly
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been playing on 1.20.10 today spawns do seem better than .09 😂

south cypress
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well i had to restart my PC and now it's working

wicked locust
south cypress
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wolf = death or wolf = food, fat and hide

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nothing in the between

south cypress
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man the mod called from golden combs gives nice options for bee keeping

fringe atlas
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Ok, so far we have 10 people - 1 with an elk already - 4 with discount - 5 with no discount - so currently needing 700 gears or 450 and 5 heads. I imagine this will go up on Saturday though, since not everyone checks here.

south cypress
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can you dye the sails in the sailboat?

long comet
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Don't think so

south cypress
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do you need to repair a aged bed order to pick it up?

long comet
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There are two types

south cypress
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short bed

long comet
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Oh, 3 types then forgot about that

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There's a functional variant which doesn't need to be repaired with glue

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And the short bed, and a bunk bed which are non-functional and need to be repaired with glue beforehand

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The block tooltip will always tell whether an item needs to be repaired before being picked up for the first time

south cypress
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yeah i saw the tool tip when looking at it and it did say about breaking if not repaired

long comet
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The glue needs charcoal and resin, there are plans to expand the power train in Thousand Spears as the next step of smithy upgrade and that needs resin, but as of now we don't have enough to make the required gears, however a single resin run should get us an excess of resin so it should be fine making glue

south cypress
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i repaired it only had enough resing to make one glue and still it broke 😦

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bad luck on me

long comet
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Oh, that's a shame, repairing raises the percentage chance of it not breaking, so several portions of glue are needed to ensure the furniture's survival

south cypress
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well maybe next ruin will have the bed i want and i try to repair that one as they are better beds

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also i assume trees won't grow in the winter

long comet
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Only the item with the exact name of "Aged Wooden Bed" is usable and it doesn't need to be repaired

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The other bed variants are just nice pieces of furniture

south cypress
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ah

long comet
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I think the only actually functional piece of repairable clutter is the aged wooden table

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As it actually allows you to make pies

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So it's actually quite good for people who struggle to get enough copper for an anvil as glue only requires a pickaxe instead of an entire anvil in the metal department

vocal holly
lunar lion
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X

long comet
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What are you calling Jason for?

wicked locust
errant surge
wary vapor
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Decided to make an infographic for the composition of all alloys in the game to make it easier to keep track of what I can do with the ore I have:

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spring cradle
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Neat.

long comet
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To round it off I can list the unique uses of the alloys once smelted top to bottom left to right:
Electrum - Lantern Reflectors, Technological Items
Silver Solder - Distillers
Bronzes - You need a plate of at least this tier to make basic mining bags
Lead Solder - Distillers
Brass - Torch Holders
Molybdochalkos - Probably the most accessible lantern material
Cupronickel - Technological Items

spring cradle
long comet
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maybe projectiles will stop phasing through drifters

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though it's labeled as release candidate and not stable still

steel crater
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I made a new world and messed around with time in god mode to test trader behavior. For science!
Here are some notes on trader behavior, based on my observations and from the Trader page on the wiki:
||All traders restock every 7 days, but each has their own day and time of day that the restocking happens.
When the trade window says 'Delivery of new goods in 1 days', the restock is more than 24 hours from now.
When the trade window says 'Delivery of new goods in less than 1 day', the restock is less than 24 hours from now.
When a restock happens, their buy and sell options are randomized from among their set pool of goods, and anything that was sold out or bought out has a 50% chance of being available again.
Traders start with 20-60 gears, depending on their type. If they're low, they gain 3-6 gears when they restock.
Traders buy a huge range of materials, notably: bronze tools (all three types of bronze), ruins loot like clothes and aged furniture, basic materials like charcoal, peat, linen, metal bars, leather, breads, gems, and more.

Arbitrage is possible, but not always guaranteed. Each buy and sell price is random within a range, and sometimes those ranges overlap, so you have to check buyer and seller before committing to the trade.
For example, Clothing traders sell merchant pants for 3-5 gears, and Commodities traders will buy that for 3-7 gears.
For a better example, wolf pup is sold by Survival Goods for 6-10 gears, and bought by Agriculture and Treasure hunter for 10-18 gears. (has to be the purchased wolf pup; at this time you can't sell a wolf pup captured in a basket)
The Clothing trader probably has the highest potential for arbitrage. They sell all sorts of clothing items that are bought by other traders.||

hard meteor
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i have a material trader next to my spawn on my single player that i love, they buy bronze tools, metal scraps, and ages crates, which im usually overflowing with anyway, i keep a stock of hammer, axe, and saws in a chest near them as well any any scrap or ages chests that i just sell every so often, sadly the gear restock is very slow for them

wispy swift
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I had actually tried the ||catching wolf pup method in my single player game yesterday. It does not work. It needs to be the wolf pup item from the survival goods trader. It could just be a not fully implemented feature yet, or future proofing, but despite the ability to catch a wolf pup, the trader is only interested in the bought one.||

steel crater
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There's a lot of potential here to make gears, but it heavily depends on knowledge. Sharing trader locations and their current stocks will be critical if we want to farm up the gears we need. Assuming 30 gears per trader, we would have to wipe out 24 traders to reach our current goal.
Of course, we won't actually need that many traders because we already have some gears on us, and every 7 days every trader we plunder will get more gears.
The mob farm is also an option, but it either needs some very clever chiseling design to make kill windows, or it will take our best armor, lots of healing, and crucially more than one person at a time. When I was farming in Kalisa's pit of eternal darkness solo, I was doing alright in killing the mobs and staying alive but I just did not have enough time to do the skinning before they were upon me again.

steel crater
hard meteor
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ya the mob farm and exploration i think are going to be more important then traders, traders are good and a good source, but with the amount of people we have, we will deplete them rather quickly

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this is also why on my single player, i build up each trader alittle bit, each trader i find i tend to build a tiny outpost there with like a chest road to them since i go to them all the time (also now setting up teleportation but that requires access to creative mode, i have my own house rules on single player for building those)

steel crater
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Exploration in caves is of course another leg on this three-legged stool. When you find ruins you get clothes and aged crates and all sorts of stuff to sell, and sometimes you find rusty gears as a destructible object on the ground that drops a nice amount (up to 5, I think)

steel crater
hard meteor
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also dont throw out scrap metal, several traders will happily take that as well

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cracked vessles are also a good item to trade between traders as well, but again need to double check before you buy any

wispy swift
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Ah. I was just about to suggest cracked vessels from any of the exploring malefactors. XD

hard meteor
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ya its an amazing profit for malefactors, i think they can sell up to like 9 gears each?

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maybe higher, 9 is about what i see

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i have a treasure hunter near my spawn that loves to sell cracked vessles as well and i typically scoop up the ones they offer for cheap, make 3-4 gears per

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it is a shame we cant build the teleporters that exist in creative mode, my house rules for them are i have a recipie where if i collect a certain amount of speciifc jonas parts + temporal gears, i destroy them and set up a teleporter, i need to play around with command blocks sometime see how similar they are to minecraft, i used to set up command blocks for specific trades on a server i ran that worked very well

steel crater
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A followup note about time:
An in-game day is 48 minutes. If the server is up for 19 hours on Saturday, then about 24 in-game days will pass - enough time for 3 trader restocks.
If you come to a trader and don't like its stock, and it says it will restock in six days, then it will be about five and a half real-life hours before you should check it again.

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That's all assuming that we don't speed up time by sleeping

wary vapor
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Upgraded my infographic with the metal textures, and arrow thickness indicating amount of each ore per alloy ingot as an easy visual reference

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rotund dragon
south cypress
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i did see that when i was using the sling

south cypress
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can crops grow in winter (i know you only get 50% less yeld as the tool tip says so) or is it best just harvest them and take the seed back for spring?

long comet
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once the temperature drops below 0 farmland stops updating afaik

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so the crops stop growing but some crops like rye can start to have some growth at least as soon as temperture starts rising above 0

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because they have temperature resistance of -5C

south cypress
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it's just i started to grown some crops (flax) in the mid fall and well they did grow fast enough before winter

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so is just best for to wait for it to become warmer and let them grow then or just harvest them to get the seeds and let the land falow the winter

long comet
#

I don't remember whether the nutrient levels decrease if you have crops planted on them in winter, they don't increase though

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Even with fertiliser

south cypress
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i need to find some high fertility soil as i want to make terra perta

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i can make some without high fert soil but with it i get more

rotund dragon
long comet
#

I mean the fertiliser just stays there too

rotund dragon
#

well yes but fertillizing is basically just shoving nutrients into the ground by force

long comet
#

I just don't remember whether the nutrients decrease when there's a planted crop sub zero to say with utmost confidence whether the updating stops in its entirety

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I know, the nutrient levels, crop growth or natural moisture updates don't happen

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or at least don't increase

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because I'm not sure about nutrient levels not dropping

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because I remember nutrients being used up even by fully grown crops

cold berry
fringe atlas
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@south cypress One thing to bear in mind is that in my experience a dead crop will always drop a seed but an early stage crop only has a chance to drop. If you can get them to the stage before fully mature (e.g 4/5 for turnips) you normally seem to get a seed back and a reduced crop yield. If you are low on seeds and don't want to lose them it might be better just to leave them - if they survive great, if not you at least get the seed.

wary vapor
south cypress
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okay as i was not sure if the crops dies in the game

long comet
#

The crops only die if hares get to them

south cypress
#

i have a fence around the field so yeah

wary vapor
#

Also my experience is that soil nutrients are only consumed when the crop growing on it advances a step

rotund dragon
errant surge
south cypress
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so let it be there in hopes of maturing or they die and i just clean it up getting the seeds back

knotty helm
south cypress
#

there is a rich and bountiful malachite?

long comet
#

there's only bountiful

south cypress
#

but i have a vein of malachite that has rich malachite along the bountiful

long comet
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wait, last I checked there was only bountiful

errant surge
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runs poor to bountifull

south cypress
long comet
#

I must have been blind the last time I checked

errant surge
#

limestone being the only one it can reach bountiful, poor to rich in the marbles

south cypress
#

man it was pint in the butt to free my boat from the ice as i parked it near the entrance which had lake water that does freeze unlike sea water

south cypress
#

i wish some traiders were in boats

rotund dragon
#

Are you trading and in a boat?

south cypress
#

i am boating to find a treasure traider to get the achives location

rotund dragon
#

Aspirant pirate then

south cypress
#

nothing to do in the winter so i want to go and try the archives

rotund dragon
#

Makes sense

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That's how we got vikings

south cypress
#

well pillaged a surface ruin and fun goodies like bee grenades

south cypress
#

found the bloody treasure traider and got the map location

rotund dragon
#

in my world local goods traders are everywhere
have not found anything else yet

hexed bane
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Do you mean commodities?

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Or maybe survival goods?

rotund dragon
#

need to look again I think

hexed bane
rotund dragon
heavy condor
#

Smiths at Origin, do you need more charcoal?

long comet
#

I think there's still enough. The iron outpost also has a non-depleted black coal vein too

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Though more charcoal is always better

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It's just not a priority right now

heavy condor
#

And can do a side project of a 5X5X10 charcoal pit

vocal holly
rotund dragon
#

the server is up?

vocal holly
#

should it be?

rotund dragon
#

no people were just talking like they were on the server

heavy condor
#

I was personally only asking if there was need for when it was up

vocal holly
#

as was I 😂 been working on a 11X11X11 charcoal pit 😄 should do us for a while once i fill it 😛

heavy condor
#

I'm Aiming for a few smaller sized ones, just so that it doesn't take forever to fill them, and can start it up when needed

south cypress
#

what armour is good the the archives when i plan to go to it in my single player

vocal holly
heavy condor
#

fair enough

long comet
south cypress
#

yeah but chain plate or something between?

long comet
#

the precise type would follow from your playstyle

vocal holly
wispy swift
rotund dragon
#

I think I'll be a bit late tomorrow

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I've got to buy clothes and the soup store is a bit away

spring cradle
#

Just as a headsup for tomorrow, we should have some chromium tanned hides ready in the tannery for whenever we get enough beeswax.

south cypress
#

just need to find luxury tradier as i want some blue glass for my house and rest of the gears i will donate

long comet
# south cypress yeah but chain plate or something between?

there's lamellar which has the least cost but protects the least but it also has penalties comparable to chain, brigadine is next in cost, but has more penalties- greater to that of chain and less protection. Next is chain which has the better protection and the least penalties, you can also further upgrade chain to scale or plate these have even more protection but more penalties

south cypress
#

man how much tin i need for the amount of tin bronze that i need for plate

spring cradle
#

Bentham's infographic might be handy.

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south cypress
#

but how many ingots is need for plate in total

spring cradle
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Plate is generally 80 ingots of the type. 40 for chain and 40 for plates. If I remember correctly.

long comet
#

72*1,6=115,2 nuggets

spring cradle
#

Oh duh.

south cypress
#

man i need more tin

spring cradle
#

Tin is rare, yeah. I'd almost say go for iron, it's easier to find.

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You just need enough tin for bronze alloy for the pickaxe to mine it.

long comet
#

tin is more frequent but has smaller veins

spring cradle
#

Tell my map that. (fistshake)

south cypress
#

how common is zinc?

long comet
#

so the thing with iron is that if you dig down vertically if there's iron there you'll probalby find it

spring cradle
#

Or at least won't have to make many shafts to find some.

long comet
#

so it could be that I just walk past it

south cypress
#

calculator says i need 400 bismuth and 240 zinc for the bismuth bronze

long comet
#

so that divided by 5 for nuggets

south cypress
#

no

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the caculator say nuggets

long comet
#

for 72 ingots?

south cypress
#

80 ingots

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wait other way around the numbers

#

i need bloody 400 zinc darn

spring cradle
#

Prospectin' time.

south cypress
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ok so i adjusted the amount in the alloy calculator so i use 20% bismuth and 20% zinc so i need 320 of both

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also 960 nuggets of copper

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but i have a malacite vein i mined a lot of and there is still left in the vein

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the link i put has the alloy calculator so you can see amount

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then again i can go and try to find the iron as i found prospecting hematite

hard meteor
#

i typically go 10% bismuth, 20% zinc, 70% copper, to make 18 ingots then its 36 bizmuth 72 zinc, and 252 copper

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tho i personally not a fan of making bronze armor, i usually go for iron, or steel if i found olivine and bauxite before i start making my iron armor

wicked locust
long comet
#

no pewter, only lead

spring cradle
#

Oh no. Where's my elk.

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I was on a long distance journey, crashed, logged back in, elk's gone.

wicked locust
#

Give me pewter or give me uranium!!!!!

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(Note both are flavors of death)

spring cradle
#

Mind you, elk is still on the map, but, uh, elsewhere.

wicked locust
#

Im elsewhere!!!

long comet
wicked locust
#

#tungstenarmor

long comet
#

No, tungsten armour would cure your mortality which would obviously upset the game balance

rotund dragon
rotund dragon
long comet
#

are you sure the text wasn't talking about mercury, becuase mercury was purposed to cure mortality

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Either way I'd be really happy if more alloys and metals were added. At least for more colours of plaques

rotund dragon
#

Nope tungsten.
It was about how unexpected it was to find there

hexed bane
spring cradle
#

I did, didn't come to me, so I thought maybe.

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Probably fell down a hole and got stuck on the reload or something.

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I marked the location so will hoof it back there. Thankfully I have a road network extending in that direction.

hexed bane
#

Elks can teleport to you even if stuck. Try running around the area while using the flute

spring cradle
#

Guess I should have tooted a bit more.

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Or ran back the way I came, if it spawned further back.

wispy swift
#

I am apparently doing a good job of punching through olivine deposits when I'm looking for other stuff. This is the third I think? Not counting the exposed cliffside vein I've also spotted. I'm also doing a significantly better job tracking down the poor cassiterite (0.04-0.06%) rather than the high hematite (4.06-4.77%) I was looking for in the area. 😩

cold berry
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Beeswax will either need imports from Labrador. explorers to hand harvest wild bees, or for us to wait for spring. Ive got about a stack of hives waiting to be populated just soulth of origin next to the lumberyard with room for a bit over 200 hives total so far

fringe atlas
#

Doesn't Kalisa have basement hives that are still producing up at Origin Cave?

cold berry
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I believe so. I vaugely remember something about that, dont know how much beeswax it produces though

hard meteor
#

its still pretty small

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also still verry dangerous to harvest my hives, needd alittle more light down there

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btw do we know the ideal amount of flowers for a beehive, or is it really just as much as possible

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the problem is not the space needed for hives, its the reed cost for the hives

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rebuilt my little hive setup on my single player to test but its still very new so didnt get much data out of it

wispy swift
#

This is a few versions old from the wiki, but I was looking at it the last couple of days to set up my apiary in single player. If the numbers haven't changed too much, 26+ flowers will let them swarm in less than a day. Around 100 will allow swarms in about 3 in-game hours as something of an upper bound. It does not seem to take much to get up to those kind of numbers as the bee's range is reasonably large.

hard meteor
#

my little hive setup hits around 100-120 flowers in range so that should be plenty then

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not pretty but this is my setup on single player, and very similar to the setup i have on server

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with this setup i need 512 reeds to restock the skepts, not counting what i get back on demolishing, so around 250 on average i imagin if getting 50% back every few days, its allot of reeds

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we could set up several of these types of farms around town if people wanted, they are a pain to set up at that elevation, but maybe could go hand in hand with work on mob farms at depth

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same for reeds, but we need alllot more reed roots then

wary vapor
#

I'm praying for the return of the bees right now cause I desperately need candles to make more lanterns for the market hall, I simply don't have enough and it's causing constant monster spawns all over my excavations

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I have tons of plates and glass, I literally just need candles

hard meteor
#

if you can help get me reeds and reed roots to expand my underground farm, il gladly help supply with more wax, it will be slow going though

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or just helping with the skeps

south cypress
#

is there a plan to add thirst to the game?

long comet
#

I don't recall the roadmap mentioning thirst

rotund dragon
south cypress
#

i know that's one of the reasons why i was wondering if thirst mechanic will come to the game

long comet
#

There's drunkness I don't know about alcoholism

rotund dragon
fringe atlas
#

I kinda feel like Labrador should be doing some industrial scale beekeeping, since the temperature is so good for it there, we only have a small beekeeping concern right now, but maybe I could work on getting something bigger going today.

#

No harm in upscaling in two locations

errant surge
#

would require to scale up cattail production in Labrador first

rotund dragon
#

Wax and honey are great

errant surge
#

going to need a proper mead-hall at Labrador if we're going to industrial-scale the bees there

vocal holly
#

More mead more better, yes? 😄

rotund dragon
#

I might want to make my own
(I already have bees irl)

vocal holly
#

You should 😄 I want to do soem brewing in irl as well but i alredy have too many hobbies

south cypress
#

i am planning on huge bee farm behind my house just need to do some teraforming and build fences and plant flowers

vocal holly
#

i think we might want to expand the grain production for animal farm at oragin as well, the list of projects never end 😂

cold berry
graceful onyx
#

Harry Partridge, good animator, funny guy

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Dr. BEEEEeeeeeeEEEs

frigid matrix
#

i think i might try linkin some water courses

south cypress
#

ok i found out you can put the elk in a boat

graceful onyx
#

there is indeed a specific spot, just for the Elk

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well, a fence post for the Elk to be attached to

frigid matrix
#

i think considering the amount you can put in an actual boat, canals are probably really useful

south cypress
#

my single player world is 60% land so boat is must

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do you need three places for the mount a 1 for fence and 2 for the mount themselfs?

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ah found a pic how to add a mount to the boat just two spaces total i needed

#

i wish you where able to paint the sails

graceful onyx
#

Oh man, making the sails interchangeable and make it a seperate entity you can place so you could draw on it would be sick

south cypress
#

also a flag you can custom make too

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for the top of the sails

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also a ability to make flag poles

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can you use rope on chickens?

graceful onyx
#

I dont think so

long comet
#

chickens are moved with reed traps

graceful onyx
#

I hope they add more husbandry stuff

#

you can capture baby pigs and sheep now too right?

long comet
#

if you bait a reed basket trap with grain chickens will enter it

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yep, you can move baby pigs and goats in the same manner

frigid matrix
#

yup, just gotta have an empty backpack slot for the full basket, and not be a day away from home

long comet
#

couldn't you feed the animal inside?

final ivy
#

Is the server up?

steel crater
#

negative

final ivy
#

Isn't it usually up on Saturday?

steel crater
#

Yes, and last week it was up by this time.

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But it's okay if it's not up right now. Aavak will start his server when he wants to.

final ivy
#

Alright then, hopefully he will turn it on soon, no pressure to him

#

I apologize if i interrupted conversation

frigid matrix
south cypress
#

is a 0 generaton a thing?

long comet
#

yes, generation 0 is a completely wild animal

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and apparently starting from gen 5 you can just pick up small animals with a reed chest

south cypress
#

assumed much as you can only pet generation 1 chikens

long comet
#

you can't pet wild chickens, but you can pet wild pigs?

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why is that?

south cypress
#

well that is what wiki says might be outdated

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You can pet chickens when they are generation 1 or higher. Petting causes the animal to stand peacefully says wiki

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and You can pet wild pigs when they are generation 1 or higher. Petting causes the animal to stand peacefully says wiki on pigs

long comet
#

I literally pet wild boars and goats before

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so that can't be true

south cypress
#

either there is a bug or wiki is wrong

#

will todays stream be in 1.20.10?

frigid matrix
#

it works!

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long comet
#

Is that a water lock?

frigid matrix
#

yerp

long comet
#

it's 2 way?

south cypress
#

i assume it can be?

frigid matrix
#

yup works both ways, its a bit jank like minecraft boats

cold berry
#

Water locks will save the canal

south cypress
#

let's just hope one of the boats won't get stuck on the canal XD

long comet
#

Levelling the entire canal would be torture

frigid matrix
#

you cannot turn in the canal XD

cold berry
#

Ehh just make it a one way

frigid matrix
#

u turns are not possible

cold berry
#

That or every 1-2k blocks make a little roundabout

rotund dragon
south cypress
#

and i doubt having a second canal next to it be a option for a highway type of stuff

rotund dragon
long comet
#

I think the server just auto updates

frigid matrix
#

it looks nice when closed too, but can work without the doors

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if its too expensive

south cypress
#

a boat can hold 8 chests so i believe boat are best for transporting large amount items fom A to B

rotund dragon
south cypress
#

how high the tunnel need to be for the boats

rotund dragon
#

no clue

long comet
#

Anybody will want to join me to mine silver once the password gets posted?

#

We'll be heading out from Thousand Spears and going North-East

frigid matrix
#

it should be noted there is a limit on how high the water difference can be

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this dont work

long comet
#

A terraced solution then

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we don't need to scale the entire thing in one step

signal orbit
#

@long comet I can help mine

graceful onyx
frigid matrix
#

im gonna be connecting the random lakes i think, might be way faster to do it that way then to run a canal along the road

signal orbit
tough thunder
#

To much time spent on roads. Not enough on self.

broken knot
frigid matrix
rotund dragon
#

eh

#

well if everyone is going

rotund dragon
blissful cipher
#

pass: C4ke0rD3ath

rotund dragon
#

I see you

spring cradle
#

Where are we gathering cogs? Handover to Shelab?

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I kind of want to handover the ones I have on me right now, given I may not be here next weekend or the one after that.

cold berry
wispy swift
spring cradle
#

Noted.

ashen musk
rotund dragon
opaque cove
#

Oh hows the sever going?

oak gazelle
#

Am joining the server, with Darkwytch. What would be needed more in the south, Blackgurd or Clockmaker?

wicked locust
#

@fringe atlas we are making saddles and bridals for elk. do you want us to send you somethrough the mail?

steel crater
#

Could someone please check this link to make sure it works?

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sorry if this sounds exactly like a scam, but I swear it's not. It's a google doc to collect trader info

ashen musk
#

Works for me

steel crater
#

ty Mai

#

Everyone please feel free to use the google doc to find traders, and also add your own info! This will help up on the gear grind

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Even if you only have the spot marked on your map, add the coordinates and someone will go there to fill out the stock (probably me)

devout raven
#

Coordinates for the road between D and E!

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austere furnace
#

I'm going to bed, please feel free to do what is necessary in the new smith to make it usable if i've overlooked anything. We may need to move the large gear down or make another to speed up the helve hammer/setup an extra.

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Theyre supposed to work better with lower speed/higher torque but for the iron blooms it was definitely slower running off the main axle so it was either very low wind or increased force only matters for making plates.

long comet
#

Increase of torque only really matters for getting it to move

#

if it moves at normal gear ratio it will be most likely better than a gear down

wispy swift
#

I'm going to have to hop off for a while for IRL stuff, and because chests are lagging considerably for me.

quick solar
wicked locust
steel crater
#

bumping:

opaque cove
#

43 141 4931 where i fell and lost my stuff i fell under ground im going to patch up that dang hole its a hazard

heavy condor
#

Why did my family decide Saturdays was all hands on deck day?

hexed bane
rotund dragon
spring cradle
#

Hrm. Been having some stability difficulties. Not sure if it's the computer or the game.

wispy star
#

did you have this before the latest update?

spring cradle
#

Not to this extent.

wispy star
#

might be some new performance bug that'll get patched soon. anything specific that tanks your performance?

spring cradle
#

I do keep the stream on in a browser and have discord active, but that's it.

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Happened a fair bit in my single player game as well, so could be something with the latest update for sure.

steel crater
lethal canopy
spring cradle
#

Wiggysmith.

lethal canopy
#

I did not realise it was a ghost for the longest time

heavy condor
#

WHOOOO Im FREE

#

but also exhausted

spring cradle
#

I have been stealing most of your oak, tannery is hangry.

heavy condor
#

That's fine, it's what the storages are fot, I will most definitely need to restock all the logs when I log back on tho, it's nearly empty

knotty helm
#

do i need to be concerned?

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spring cradle
#

Look, I HAVE to be everywhere at once, quern lime, fetch hides, replace water in barrels, create tannin with oak, cook the devil's tea, etc.

wicked locust
#

@fringe atlas the saddles, bridals, and the materials for the medalions are on their way to you.

steel crater
wispy swift
#

I had an accidental dip in a lake and my torch was none too happy about it. Made good progress despite the set back but found a rift I wan't quickly moving by so I logged for the rest of the night. I'm a little North of the end of the Southern road, so I'll be in Lab shortly once morning hits.

acoustic pine
fringe atlas
#

@wicked locust Thank you so much, just caught your message - if anyone has anything to send regarding elks it can go in the gear box at the post office and it will be brought to me.

spring cradle
#

It's 23 per bag, + 4 nails of any type.

wicked locust
#

sure?

spring cradle
#

I'll put aside for two elk saddlebags in the post, could prioritize giving them to provisioners/logistics folks.

ebon rain
wicked locust
#

@vocal holly we have a bear in our house!!!!!

quick solar
#

Road Plan for waystation E to F
From E go south
At 9385S turn SW
At -320W turn S
At 10100S turn SE
At -295E turn S
At 10610S turn SW
At -345W turn S
At 11080S turn E
At 70E turn S
At 11530S turn SE
At 108E turn S

quick solar
tropic yacht
#

lol thanks I often get lost in discord

quick solar
#

no worries

tropic yacht
#

are you planning to link up with the south road

quick solar
#

yeah the 108 is the eact coordinate of the south road

tropic yacht
#

oh nice

#

where would you say the halfway point is give or take, was debating on setting up a home / waystation

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assuming it isn't so barren and arid that everything dies in 10 min lol

quick solar
#

the mid way point is in fact a desert

tropic yacht
#

why does that not surprise me

opaque cove
#

Okie crashed but rejoining soon crew i have so many rocks

quick solar
#

shave but nice can't wait for you to get here!

spring cradle
#

Hm, no sound on my computer or in voice chat. Seems something went real wrong all of a sudden.

quick solar
nocturne magnet
#

Nice planning that, ill try to get more food made, but the trip to deliver it is getting prohibitive for me

hard meteor
#

now i gotta work out ideas for my market stall next week, just wish i wrote down the sizes

quick solar
nocturne magnet
#

I will really need ot get some made as I was shoestringing at the end

#

I have enoug for two pots I think

#

well, ill get a hour or two of sleap now

quick solar
#

if next week there's more people actually working on making the road I might switch to be making supply runs along it

hard meteor
#

@wary vapor i may want a floor with a 2nd floor possibility, or at least 2 floors high, but will let you know, so how wided were they again?

wispy swift
#

I'd be willing to do road crew supply runs if I wasn't working on gathering up materials for the Lab post office remodel. 😅

hard meteor
#

what about maybe setting up road material storage at the post office, il gladly drop resources off

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not sure how much u want to be hauling that tho

#

at least it would also be a place any of the road crew could drop in and take stuff as well if they around OC

wispy swift
#

I do have a box labelled for the Pathfinders at each post office, but with how much stone different people are excavating on their own projects, it's been easier for me to stop by and grab it around town (admittedly it's mostly been from you Kalisa as of late) to fill up any leftover space when I make a trip. It would probably be a great place to drop of full stacks of crafted stone paths as a kind of middle ground, especially once the main road is finished and stuff can be stockpiled a bit for the next road project(s).

wary vapor
hard meteor
#

so il play aroundd with designs 9 wide, how high were the floors again, 3 high?

wary vapor
#

yep

hard meteor
#

andd no issue if i wanted 2 floors high stall, so i guess that would be up to 7 high?

wary vapor
#

yep that's fine

hard meteor
#

alright, hope i can come up with some fancy designs over the week

wary vapor
#

Just gotta make sure your plot is under an empty spot

hard meteor
#

what about if i wanted to go deeper, i guess it also depends on where my stall is since wwe have that underground path

wary vapor
#

Yeah you gotta watch for that

#

A lot of random little tunnels and caves run around underneath various parts of the market so that one's a little dicey

hard meteor
#

understandable, so will play that by ear

wary vapor
#

In pretty much all plots, you can dig down 1 tile safely but still best to not stand on the tile you're digging, just in case 😆

vocal holly
#

I too would like the smugglers tunnels to have a way in to market 😛

rotund dragon
#

What is the idea of the market?

vocal holly
#

to trade or to look good both seem like good paths to walk 😄

lunar lion
#

Morning peeps. How was the second stream?

rotund dragon
#

We'll see when the vods return

errant surge
#

based on seeing the rest of the second stream I imagine most of the server will be busy chiseling their builds next week

rotund dragon
#

What happened?

errant surge
#

Aavak is prettyfying his farmhouse build by chiseling it and giving people ideas

rotund dragon
#

So Aavak has settled in the south?

errant surge
#

for now, the farmhouse became more of a workshop for the farm than an actual house at the moment, so we'll have to see

wispy star
#

next to their farm

rotund dragon
vocal holly
#

I also have two tiny spair room for any visitors in town a chest and bed will be provided one day 😂

lunar lion
vocal holly
#

its better than the cave... probably 😂

hexed bane
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I would like to build an elk stable at origin, need to find a good place though

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Close enough so people don't have to run too far, but enough space for a big building (assuming at least half of the server will have elks, that's 20 stalls already)

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Wouldn't mind some help in gathering materials and building, solo it would probably take me an irl month

quick solar
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Off the top of my head I would say either somewhere near shelabs but not on the river front and south just past the inn is the places where it would fit

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Been thinking about the OC - Lab highway and got some plans

vocal holly
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there might be a good space for it near the market or just out side oragin cave

hexed bane
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I don't remember there being any space near the market or origin cave, unless you mean build it on the mountain which is very impractical

south cypress
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how did the stream go

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as i went to sleep about 10 hours ago

vocal holly
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Ill point them out next week, 🙂

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the town continues to grow and look better 😄

hexed bane
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I would like to make stalls something like 5x5, on both sides of the central passageway which will be 4 wide, so the entire thing will be at least 18 blocks wide, and 65+ blocks long

vocal holly
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then the spot might new be the best but I was more thing a tiered stable going up the side of the mounton next to the cave but i trust others to make it love good

hexed bane
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I'm not sure what you mean, do you have a reference picture for that type of stable?

vocal holly
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I picture something like

more than one stable building running up like a set of steps maybe with a bit of an over lap with each layer with a path/road up one side connecting them all

quick solar
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Phase 1 - Basic Road
Connecting the roads. We're at the last stretch just over 1k blocks to connect it to F station which I've been told has a road down to Lab.

Phase 2 - Standard Road
Making the road 2 wide and 3 tall. Currently because path blocks are a bottleneck we're just trying to have it connected with one wide so that people can run through it.
I think starting phase 2 from the south and going north is best because we'll be close to Lab which has lots of food.
We'll eventually be close enough to Mokkun's workhouse that we can get food from there.
The areas closer to OC will need support to make 3 high because they're quite pretty and rock slides might ruin it

With Phase 2 complete I think that might be the last thing that needs a dedicated roadcrew. Personally I want to do some more work on the road to make it prettier and I'm happy doing it alone.

Phase 3 - Waystations
Renovate them. Give each a small cellar, storage, supply of firewood, bunk beds and more.
Hopefully get them in a small standard design and have them illuminated by at least an oil lamp inside and out.
Putting up signs at each of them both with the way station name and signs with rough times to the closest way stations.
Maybe even make more waystations where they are a bit too far apart.

Phase 4 - Route Tweaking
There's spots where the road's path could be changed slightly to make it prettier and/or more efficient. That's what I would be doing.
As part of phase 4 I might also smooth out the sheer dirt walls directly next to the road that are prone to collapse.

Phase 5 - Make it pretty
This phase may never happen. It would require a lot of resources that aren't necessary. Turning floating road sections into bridges. Illuminating the longest tunnels. Giving supports to tunnels.

vocal holly
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once we have the road done we might just be better haveing a mid point station thats better maintained and just keep the smaller ones as over night bolt holes for storms

south cypress
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can i assume in phase 5 lights be added to the road?

quick solar
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I agree
I believe Mokkun was thinking of turning the workhouse into an Inn
But the waystations aren't supposed to be kept supplied in my plan
When I say a small cellar I mean like 2 storage vessels and maybe a barrel.
the cellar and the storage are to be kept empty unless someone is working in the area
So mainly so that in phase 4 and 5 I can have a small base of operations while working in the region and then move across them.
And later on if people are collecting resources in the area they can use the waystation
The only thing that would be nice if people kept restocked as passing through would be the firewood so in the winter travellers can get warmed up or make a quick meal

quick solar
south cypress
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i assume the waystations are to hide in if storm starts or for a night if rift activity is praticualy high

quick solar
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But the illumination is entirely dependent on we having plenty of oil lamps or candles

quick solar
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Particularly rift activity
I'll look up the storm spawning to see if I can make a safe room

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I imagine that when the road is set up fully north to south people will start preferring making mining expeditions along it instead of going if in random directions from origin cave

south cypress
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for the next week i gonna plan the bee farm which will be large but i was too tired to do the calculations and designs as i was doing my house which took some time to finish

fringe atlas
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Can I just ask where the bee farm is going to be located?

south cypress
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behind my house is my plan

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is there a plan to build something behind my house?

fringe atlas
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Ok, just so you know, the plan for my bees is to keep expanding backwards in a straight line away from the cookhouse