Vintage Story - Community Game Server

[long comet]

The soil quality is another convention

So names like arrowheads or sands

[ashen musk]

"Bread bowl"

[glossy condor]

Lmao it was the second thing you posted 🤦‍♂️

[long comet]

Bringing grain and a quern might be best

As you can bake charred bread in a firepit

[hard meteor]

hell could even bring an oven, only takes an invintory slot, a stack of grain and a bucket and you can turn 64 grain into 64 bread

[glossy condor]

Ive already got an anvil on my back someone else is carrying the quern

[ashen musk]

-# in eco you can carry so many trucks in your pocket 🤣

[long comet]

Guess that would be nice too if the bread is not going to last you can still char it

[glossy condor]

Tbf, it's not like making a quern would be hard for us at this point

[dire estuary]

Couldn't you also take some crocks with stews/soups in?

[glossy condor]

Thats what we are primarily doing, aye

[hard meteor]

the problem with crocs, its only 4 servings per invintory slot

[long comet]

So pies and bread are most space effective

Wnd keep long to boot

[steady arrow]

always great to be able to put a whole traffic-jam in your inventory

[hard meteor]

now i just see someone bringing like 16 buckets full of wine to survive on for the trip

[hexed bane]

I have extra ovens and a quern, I can take them if I go with you

[long comet]

Sadly buckets only stack to 4

[hexed bane]

We would also need a table if we want to make pies though

I can bring it too

[glossy condor]

I will carry the anvil and the wine 😭

[hard meteor]

any pies made at home though can be cut into peices, those peices stack well

[glossy condor]

-# also removes the -3 mood penalty

[dire estuary]

Give me table or give me mental break

[long comet]

The low expectations buff though

It's a new colony

[glossy condor]

Yeah i think pies are probably the best food source for this, if we ration them carefully we can survive for a while on one pie per person

[long comet]

They also act exactly as meals do

[hard meteor]

biggest setback will be any death as you will be sent back to spawn, considering this is probably a week long trek if not more, wont be getting back to your body

[glossy condor]

Yeah, it's super nice because of how it stacks and then they aren't fully consumed when eaten.

[hard meteor]

i love my meat pies for traveling food :3

[hexed bane]

So we shouldn't take oven and quern then?

Just the cooked pies?

[glossy condor]

I dont want to leave Dapper Dell ransacked :P

[long comet]

The only downside of meat pies is that you can't make them with salted meat

[long comet]

Depending on how long do we plan on the expedition taking bringing them might still be wise

Can always make more

[hard meteor]

ya a oven and quern are very easy to make anyway and highly useful

[glossy condor]

Oven may be hard but quern should he doable

Unless we are taking fireclay, too

[hard meteor]

oven is a single invintory slot as well, can be placed on ground

[long comet]

Oven's just a stack of fireclay isn't it?

[hard meteor]

yup

dont even need to fire it

[long comet]

Must be a self-firing type

[hard meteor]

oven, bucket, and a stack of grain is 64 portions of bread at a basecamp very easily, tho bread does not give any long lasting food satiaty

[long comet]

If 8 of any ingredient group is found(like maybe 8 mushrooms) a pie can be made

[hard meteor]

tho like you said Jemtamird, can always just make chared bread on cammpfire

[blissful cipher]

Just to be clear, we're not taking a mountain of stuff, the primary thing we'll need in our inventories is food, so inventory space efficiency isn't a high priority. Most will have oodles of free space.

Even taking every tool I own, I'd just need a bowl, and a couple of cook pots full of 6 servings of food and I'll be good.

[glossy condor]

A stack of fireclay is hardly easy to get imo, it's expensive in flint and charcoal

[blissful cipher]

And I'd still have enough inventory to carry an anvile, and an oven, and a stack of building blocks, etc, etc. We really won't need to worry, and given how many people seem interested in coming, even lass so, as we can (and should) spread stuff out.

Important one of a kind stuff, to the least likely to die (best armour, most confident in combat) and then food and other gubbins spread out as best we can, so even if a few people die, it doesn't mean the rest will as well due to a lack of items.

[hard meteor]

and you dont want to be too full, since if someone ddies, the rest will have to carry their stuff and if everyones too full already, valuable stuff could be left behindd, allot can be sourced as u go

[hexed bane]

Pies can't be made with mushrooms, it's either meat (not bushmeat), berries/fruits, crop vegetables or cheese

[dire estuary]

Cheese pie?

[glossy condor]

My fly agraic pie despair

[blissful cipher]

Aye Kalisa.

[hexed bane]

So either we take veggies from home or hope to find enough berries on the way for pies

[long comet]

Moose hunting is always an option

[hexed bane]

Moose won't be spawning in the south, also hunting will make the trip longer

[glossy condor]

Starving to death will also make it longer :)

[long comet]

As was said before plain bread and porridge is always and option

To make use of brought grain

[hexed bane]

On the opposite, starving will make it much shorter 😂

[knotty helm]

...a question occurs. anyone know what the sailboats draft is?

[hard meteor]

let us hope for no major temporal storm for the trip

[hexed bane]

From my previous experience on default polar-equator distance, sprinting most of the time and stopping for the night allowed me to reach warmer climate in 4-6 ingame days, don't know if we'll want to sprint though

[knotty helm]

because we might want to consider making an artificial water-way to the outpost if its only a block

[hard meteor]

i think we workedd out that the sailboat needs a path 4 wide to travel, or at least its 3.6 wide or sommething like that

[glossy condor]

I think it was 3 for the full sailboat, 3 draft and 5 wide

(Draft is bottom if i remember correctly)

[hard meteor]

a waterway would definitly be a long term project

[hexed bane]

A canal would be a huge undertaking, probably not worth it

[knotty helm]

at 16 slots per chest, and 8 chests per boat, a single boat could transport some 128 stacks of things, thats 5 players will full leather backpacks worth of stuff

[hard meteor]

and can carry a mount which also can hold allot of stuff

[glossy condor]

Worth it for long term trading for sure

[hexed bane]

It would probably take several irl years to build, considering we only can play a few hours a week

[knotty helm]

oh, ye not for this expedition, but for if/when we need to move large amounts of stuff between the places

[blissful cipher]

An amazing long term project, perhaps to travel alongside the road, which will almost certainly be easier, and quicker to build.

But a /truely/ wonderful long term project.

A proper canal :D

[hard meteor]

and boat i think travels alittle faster then road speed, truely a mega project lol

[ashen musk]

What are we, Vienna

[glossy condor]

If this is a farming outpost, its certainly worth it. Trading grain and twine for manufactured goods from Dapper Dell is vibes.

[hexed bane]

Also boats can't use TLs, which are a much faster way to travel

If we find a chain of them that is

[hard meteor]

the first project would be connecting by road and hopefully using mounts in time for that, then eventually doing the canal

[rotund hull]

You summon Canal Kobold?!? 👀

[blissful cipher]

EXCUSE you Mai. How dare. Our canal will be at LEAST 98% less full of shit.

How could you even compare the two! For shame!

[knotty helm]

...also, i can already imagining shipping some 10 dapperlings in a boat down to the farms 😄

[knotty helm]

challenge accepted

hey people in animal husbandry, we need you now more than ever!

[blissful cipher]

XD

Why are you like this Tnoin?! XD

[dire estuary]

Bring me the laxatives

[knotty helm]

its time to proof aavak wrong and make the Thames seem clean in comparison

[shut jolt]

what time roughly will the server come up?

[knotty helm]

we talking industrial revolution london, not modern-day!

😄

[knotty helm]

because funny mostly

[glossy condor]

The waters will run black with industry!

[hard meteor]

i just want a panda in the north for a zoo >.> maybe long termm project

[glossy condor]

As Morradin intended

[ashen musk]

-# I don't even pay them, but they do my will :3

[long comet]

Our metric of success will be the cholera death toll

[steady arrow]

brown with industry you mean

[rotund hull]

To be Fair tho, IF the Canal gets filled with excements, It will also show in the production of Ale and Wine. So I doubt it very much. xD

[steady arrow]

if thoin isnt stopped

[glossy condor]

Brown with populace, black with industry (i am dumping charcoal in the river)

[knotty helm]

...also, a quick search implies 1-block deep water lets the boat float

[opaque cove]

have acquired vintage story i know how to make a knife in game

[long comet]

Dumping coal? Treason I say! Treason!

[glossy condor]

Storing it

[knotty helm]

sooo im not saying its no more work than a 3 block wide road (elevation changes excluded, those are also possible tho)

[dire estuary]

Next step, automated smithing

[knotty helm]

but we can actually make a water-way in a reasonable time it seems

[hard meteor]

its 3000 durability for a steel shovel, if we need 3 wide, 3 shovels per 3k distance not counting any hight changes

[glossy condor]

Alex was drafting some plans for a canal system last week

[long comet]

Sadly you can only make it semi automatic

[hard meteor]

i feel we will be primarly using iron shovels >.>

[ashen musk]

-# you can use hands for a lot of it

[glossy condor]

5 wide with a path in the middle, allows for rafts initially and then can be expanded later for boats iirc

[rotund hull]

yea they are quiet cheap to get up and running.

exacly, Raft needs 1 wide and deep water to float, with 2-ish wide water you can comfortably move about.

[long comet]

I'll try and get as much meteoric iron for Origin as I am able

[rotund hull]

3 wide water for one way rafting, 5 for uncoming trafic.

[ashen musk]

-# only need 2 wide, don't listen to them

[rotund hull]

you could even say one, but they get stuck all the time.

[shut jolt]

i feel like terrain will be the hardest part with the canal

[hard meteor]

oh for sure, tunneling through rough terrain will take awhile

[glossy condor]

We can make locks to compensate with rapid changes but slow elevation changes will be a pain

[rotund hull]

3 words, Aqu-edu-cts

[shut jolt]

hmm, elevated?

[glossy condor]

Two words, stone quarry

[rotund hull]

3 words, Get to work.

[long comet]

A mountain can be always removed for convenience

[rotund hull]

xD

[ashen musk]

Just go around 😋

[glossy condor]

We may actually want to find sulfur now lmao

[hard meteor]

if you wanna elevate it, thats allot more materials, no matter what, a project of that scale will take many sessions

[glossy condor]

Blasting a mountain sounds fun

[rotund hull]

one would need to work out the logistics of a "Bend", what ever that is...

[shut jolt]

i haven't gotten into boats at all. are they collectible or once built stuck in the water way?

[heavy condor]

Boats are not, Rafts however are collectabil

[glossy condor]

"Bossman asks what route is best, draw a straight line from east to west"

[hard meteor]

hopefully theres allot of lakes we can connect to to reduce the building requiredd

[glossy condor]

Wayyyy ohhhh on the railroad!

[glossy condor]

Those would also be fun spots for outposts

[shut jolt]

is all water at the same elevation in VS?

[heavy condor]

Nope, Varying heights

[hard meteor]

nope, so may not be easy to connect as well

could be worth changing elevation for the canal if the lake is sufficent enough, some lakes are quite large

[rotund hull]

tryed a few things. Rafts and Boats can absolutly NOT sink. At all.

[glossy condor]

Alex discovered that boats (and presumably rafts) handle locks really well

[rotund hull]

meaning just leave them in a waterfall and it slowly climbs up.

[shut jolt]

can the boats sail/travel on inclines and declines?

hmm

[glossy condor]

With no speed penalty

[rotund hull]

declines are just as easy. Drop it like its hot.

[dire estuary]

Boat rollercoaster?

[hard meteor]

what happens to a boat if u fall onto land

[rotund hull]

then its stuck

[glossy condor]

Dig a trench to get it out

[dire estuary]

Can you not push to into water?

[shut jolt]

yay! snow is finally starting to melt in my SP world

[rotund hull]

you can also "wash" it back into the river.

[glossy condor]

-# boats tp with players btw

[rotund hull]

only way to "move" the raft on land. Is to make a puddel under it. And then drive it.

it will get moved by current, but very very slowly. More akin to "It shouldnt but it does..."

[hard meteor]

it is a shame powered minecarts are not in game yet, then we could have made a proper railway

[rotund hull]

Canals are the next best things.

more space intensiv then rails, but more effectiv then elk mounts or what ever.

At least for Bulk-Item transport.

[hard meteor]

so we can make canals from the teleporterss? O.O

[rotund hull]

Highly Inconvinient me thinks...

[glossy condor]

No, this was done with the tp command. Maybe it's hypothetically possible to transponder a boat?

[glossy condor]

Dry storage for winterization 👍

[glossy condor]

-# Rust and Railroads, there's a mod for that

[hard meteor]

true but we not really doin mods like that this run

[glossy condor]

Yea

[hard meteor]

i personally may try one of those airship mods on my single player in time tho, those look fun

[glossy condor]

Its just my job to say that atp

Yeah I'm waiting for QPs Airship mod to mature, that man can cook.

[dire estuary]

I can totally see a steampunk world with airships, rails, and blackpowder

[glossy condor]

Ahhhh I miss my Firearms and Combat Overhaul

[inner badger]

It'd be fantastic cause I was planning to go back down that way regardless myself and It'd be lovely to get a southern area good to go <3

[heavy condor]

Welp, I can't go any further down for my quarrying for my cobblestone on my singleplayer

time to go sideways

[lyric dew]

Yeah wouldn’t need to bring too many. Will be tons of seeds to grab on the way as well

[glossy condor]

It is still winter, so probably not

[south coral]

You probably want to still go down, just in the next pit

sideways quarrying is dangerous, and open pit quarries do not need supports 😅

[long comet]

I found a method

[hard meteor]

i typically sideway quarry but starting a quarry from the highest point

[long comet]

you need to use the staggered checkerboard pattern but stagger it in depth too

so the ceiling remains untouched

[hard meteor]

sideway qarry, clear the top layer then checkerboard down, kinda hardd to explain the way i typically do it

[long comet]

but a catastrophic failure does occur upon any mistakes

[hard meteor]

something like this, then i go and do same on other side

as long as i start from the top and careful, no issue

but a mistake does cause small collapses

[heavy condor]

I don't have cave ins on in my singleplayer world, so not a worry fro me, other then if gravel/sand are above me

[wispy star]

i think im gonna be busy again tomorrow :( would have loved to come on an expedition and be involved in setting up the second village

[south coral]

Ah, fair enough :D

Tunnel away, then! ^_^

[knotty helm]

update: 1 deep 4 wide is enough to move a boat

so benthams road project could have a nice 'lil water feature next to it to ferry cargo on boats around

[wispy star]

oooh thats nice

i think it would probably look a bit better to have it just a little deeper but its good to know that just to get it functional its not as bad

[knotty helm]

2 deep 2 wide channel in the middle, 1 deep side-banks to make it look like a propper river 🙂

[wispy star]

that sounds sweet

[rotund hull]

Personaly, for quick and dirty fuctionality, you just need a 2 wide and 1 deep water path to move the boat.
3 wide and 1 deep to not constandly get stuck on the side block.
For looks 2 deep will be enough.
Water can flow and doesnt matter for the Boat, so you can make a Waterfall that is 2 wide and, I think, 5 blocks deep, and you have a Boat-Elevator. For down you can just use the same "Elevator" but drive off the edge into the water below. (Might look a bit weird tho xD)

[blissful cipher]

Really looking forward to the expidition, hope everyone else is as well :D

[lyric dew]

Will be interesting to see how many make it to the end first go around

I get the feeling a secondary group might end up following behind the initial one that sets off lol

[steel ore]

going to sleep now, i hope i wont miss too much when i wake

[lunar lion]

going to sleep now, going to miss much when I wake 😄

[true quest]

When I create my character and get on the server what can I do to help prepare for the expedition? Don't have too much experience with the game, played a bit solo till smelting some copper but never got to winter. So not entirely sure what I could do

[dire estuary]

Same for me, though I have survived my first winter in singleplayer at least

[graceful onyx]

Depending on how many people decide to go, having people just able to carry supplies can be a solid benefit, the main struggle will be getting people at least in some basic gear so they dont die too fast to the wildlife. Granted we are travelling far and winter is halfway done if I remember right, so foraging should be pretty easy to get extra food moving south. As long as we bring the tools to set up campfires and the bowls and pots for cooking we should be fine. Having people bring any High fertility soil with them will help the farms start up nicely, but we do need to make priority on keeping enough of it where things are cold, since thats where faster grow times matter the most. One other important thing is making sure everyone has a stack or two of packed or rammed earth and a bed, if the rift activity gets bad enough, we will want to sleep the night and build temp shelters.

[wispy star]

at least in the last expedition we had plenty of hoonters and were quite able to handle the predators we came across

[graceful onyx]

If I go I will have my chain armour to protect, but some hoonters with some good bows and decent arrows will help keep predators at bay

[lusty otter]

I'm curious what is the purpose of this expedition? settling a new town?

[wispy star]

here's the original message

i think its the stated goal of trees + having more of an equatorial presence

[hexed bane]

If we are going to bring an oven, can we take the one at the kitchen? I don't think it's used often, and people can go to my bakery if they need to bake

[graceful onyx]

we can take inventory on how much fire clay we got stored up and just make a new one, pretty sure there is plenty laying around. It's not too hard to get enough for the stack of clay you need for an oven

[lusty otter]

so... you, a british person, are leading an expedition to settle foreign lands, in order to obtain it's ressources for your homeland?

in short, we're doing a colonialism!

I'm proud of you

[hexed bane]

Fireclay is needed for bloomeries though

[wispy star]

sigh... there's no natives at least save for the animals of the area

[long comet]

doesn't that mean we will hunt the natives?

[hexed bane]

Drfiters

[dire estuary]

You can also just make more fire clay

[wispy star]

oh. yeah

theres no good way around it huh

[long comet]

hooray! colonialism!

[wispy star]

well, im sure we'd attempt trade and peaceful negoations if they weren't horrors from beyond

but their towns and villages are kind of buried and broken

[long comet]

so we're rationalising a cleansing by demonising the natives?

[dire estuary]

Demonising? They're barbarians!

[wispy star]

im gonna leave

[long comet]

remember everything you say can and will be used against you

[wispy star]

im not ready for this its 9:45 man

im not a colonilist im just a guy

pls leave me alone

[dire estuary]

It's 4:46 am for me

Perfect time for colonialism

[blissful cipher]

Morning

Just getting things set up on my end :)

Hope everyone's had a good night.

[dire estuary]

Haven't slept but raring to go

[wispy star]

was so achy this morning :p feeling fresh

[quartz crypt]

So very groggy, but excited!

[glossy condor]

Username checks out

[quartz crypt]

Look, i'm not saying I considered planning in a nap, but im not not saying that either

[gleaming jetty]

Been quite some time since I've last been on the server, whats this about an expedition?

[wispy star]

heading far far south to more equatorial lands for trees, farming and other such

and making a little outpost down there

[graceful onyx]

I want my Lychee fruit trees

[dire estuary]

There are Lychee in the game?

Mmmmmm

[hexed bane]

Oh right just a heads up: some rare trees have a very low chance of dropping seeds, namely redwoods, ebony and purpleheart, so we won't be able to make sustainable farms of them

[dire estuary]

Love me some Lychee

[hexed bane]

Also tropical fruit trees will die in cold climate even with a greenhouse, so if you want to farm them you have to live in the south

[graceful onyx]

you can make ebonwood and purple heart farms, but you need to be careful with how you harvest the leaves

[hexed bane]

Maybe those 2, but not redwoods for sure

Anyway, bring shears

[graceful onyx]

redwoods are pretty random, yea, despite having so many leaves

[hexed bane]

But I definitely remember trying to get ebony/purplewood seeds and not dropping any from the entire tree

[dire estuary]

Do shears increase drop rate?

[hexed bane]

No, but they make it faster

They break several blocks of leaves instead of just 1

[dire estuary]

Ah, I see

[graceful onyx]

its very easy to lose your starter trees and get no seeds, but once you get 10+ of each tree, it tends to work itself out

[dire estuary]

Is there any specific class I should make my character?

I was leaning towards Machinist

Like the tinkerer type characters 🙂

That or tailor

[graceful onyx]

the clockworker is the only machine type of class currently

[lusty otter]

morning! yeah, i would've liked a bit more sleeb, but brain go brrr.
how about you sleep okay?

[hexed bane]

Whichever you enjoy, but if you pick blackguard you're kinda expected to fight a lot

[dire estuary]

I don't mind fighting but I vaguely remember a conversion stick thing from a video I saw

[hexed bane]

Clockmaker also can't really use their perks until later

[dire estuary]

I was playing a hunter in my singleplayer world but minign felt so bad with the decreased ore rate

[wispy star]

i picked commoner for my singleplayer, figured any trade offs wouldnt be worth considering there is no one else to make those up

[dire estuary]

Fair enough

Do we already have a tailor out of curiosity?

[wispy star]

i think we do yeah but id imagine its an underrepresented class

[graceful onyx]

Tailor is nice to have, but it can feel burdensome to play, its really not suited for fighting, but the tailored gambeson they make is sooo good for exploration armour

you can also do some roaming around and visiting traders and making them clothes for gears

[dire estuary]

Yeah, stuck deciding between tailor and clockmaker atm

Might just flip a coin

[wispy star]

idk how many malefactors we have, those are good i think

we have an excess of hunters i know that for somewhat sure

hoonters*

[graceful onyx]

I took malefactor, I always like running around and collecting the cracked vessels

[dire estuary]

The coin has decided on tailor

And so clothes I shall make

[lusty otter]

yeah not certain on class either

[glossy condor]

Good pick, to my knowledge Rye is the only tailor rn

[long comet]

taco is also a tailor as far as I remember

[blissful cipher]

password: tillyisatreatmonster

[graceful onyx]

I approve of this password

[gleaming jetty]

Lovely password

[lusty otter]

made it to class selection ths time

but keep crashing out like this

[lusty otter]

well restarting windows solved all that, now i just need to figure ou what to do from here 😄

[steel ore]

ah, i forgot to do this. the red swirl is the translocator i had repaired. it leads nearly 5k blocks west and south

[heavy condor]

Were we looking for sphalerite?

[heavy condor]

Gonna drop my coordinates for the coal reading here, 1554, 1, -335 for Poor Reading of Bituminous Coal, Decent Sphalerite is at -901, 1 -1052

[opaque cove]

Sometimes i struggle to knapp ;^; ill keep trying

[stark bison]

any idea how long the run is going to be going still? Considering on joining

as a first time player

[glossy condor]

Hold alt to free your cursor

[glossy condor]

Plenty of time still. Hop in.

[cunning tiger]

aavak is currently on no snow lands, did you peeps managed to get far enough south?

[blissful cipher]

Hey Bentham, or one of the road crew, could you post a screenshot of your map showing the road to Waysation A? I'm supre curious!

[heavy condor]

Not waht you asked for but weird glitch

[knotty helm]

not road crew yet, but here you go

[cunning tiger]

Lazy Kalisa clone caught doing nothing 4K

[steel crater]

what's the glitch?

[heavy condor]

Look at the torch, see how its upside down?

It only seemed to happen due to my low health, and being in a corner of the ladder shaft when i went down with my inventory open

[knotty helm]

fun fact: it takes cool people about an hour ingame time to sprint from origin cave to waystation a with the road

[lyric dew]

Wow

Bless the road buff

[knotty helm]

fear the clockmaker on infrastructure 😄

[lyric dew]

I very much do miss my 10% speed buff

[stark bison]

Where is the connection information for the server. It doesn't appear to be pinned

I have found it

[knotty helm]

PSA: @blissful cipher

i need your stick

there's cuties afoot

look at the 'lil babies

...actually

let me repost it, Trigger Warning arachnophobia

[quartz crypt]

If anyone by Mt Lab needs supplies, tools, or a shelter, feel free to use my new Nap Nook.
It's just South of the farm, look for the light in the rocks 🙂

[glossy condor]

You should for sure call it
"The Light in The Rocks"

[quartz crypt]

I might have the redesign it to be even more nestled out of the way just for that

Oh also, i started another charcoal burn, and popped some more firewood by my burner, it should be good to go soon

[knotty helm]

good times

[quartz crypt]

Tnoin, what did you do?!

[knotty helm]

trying to summon an aavak

[quartz crypt]

So if it's an hour from Origin to A, then in theory the whole trip could be done in a day

[glossy condor]

(About a 50 minute walk)

[lusty otter]

to be fair, once there's a road all the way, it'll likely not take super long to get all the way to the farming area... afterall the trip down aavak was herding a buncha dapperlings, and as he mentioned several times, dapperlings do have a tendency to stop and sniff the flowers

[hexed bane]

Update on the goat discussion we had a while ago:
I got milk from gen 0 goats on TOPS

They didn't attack me

If I tried that with sheep, I would very likely get murdered

[steel crater]

For the past many hours, I've been looking for iron near origin sponsored by the very generous Tacolishish. I finally found some and brought in a haul of 3 stacks. Here's the location:

this is the road to the copper mining lodge, NW of town. The entrance is the pink house icon. The location of the iron is: Go down the ladder to the main grid on z=93, then go one segment west, then north, then down that shaft.

[rotund hull]

Man, I just got home and missed the entire stream day. <.<

[quartz crypt]

Server is still up, Aavak is due back on soon too

[knotty helm]

second community stream is coming still today

[cunning tiger]

there will be a second stream and people are still going on a bunch of projects

[rotund hull]

Sadly I am way to tired to join. Family events suck at my end.

especialy the random announced ones.

[lusty otter]

yeah, voice chat got much for me so i had to log off for a while... noones fault, just overload

I'll have to get better at pacing myself for voice com participation 😄

[lusty otter]

btw this isn't a complaint on my part, just letting people know why i suddenly headed off.

[rotund hull]

Social-battery is a thing, and should be understood as such.

[lusty otter]

yup, i want to do more social stuff, but at the same time, the battery runs dry quick when many people

7 hours was definitely overextending myself after not engaging with people in large groups for years

[graceful onyx]

I take break for a bit now, I did find some purpleheart though, I got 6 seeds growing on the east side of the Labrador Mountain now

[hard meteor]

server clearly doesnt want me on right now, crashin like crzy

[lusty otter]

i was crashing left right and center earlier, a system restart sorted it tho

[hard meteor]

thx for heads up, il try that now

seemed to work, thank you

[lusty otter]

👍

[dire estuary]

I ended up falling asleep. Turns out staying up for 20 hours makes one sleepy

[lusty otter]

when i get frustrated with stuff i often forget the procedure for dealignw tih bork software myself...

[blissful cipher]

About to get the stream spooled up :)

[heavy condor]

Thoughts?

[steel ore]

new translocator locaation, if you want to go even further south than the outpost

[inner badger]

I more got on today to ensure I grabbed my stuff (which I did) logged off right after as I am quiiiite busy today XD

[lyric dew]

Looking good!!

[heavy condor]

If you've seen it in game, should I do more Birch anywhere on the exterior?

[lyric dew]

Maybe some more scattered pieces not touching any of the grouped pieces

[heavy condor]

Interesting will take it into possible changes next time servers up since I won't be on the rest of the night

[wary vapor]

a potential route for the road from waypoint b to c. Posting it here cause this may be the limit of my road building ability, this one route would equal all roads i've made in the server so far

[hard meteor]

we could perhaps add an outpost or 2 along the path to break it up at least

[wary vapor]

Definitely needs some camps for workers to reest and resupply at

[hard meteor]

what tool quality are u using for the digging/mining

[wary vapor]

iron shovel, meteoric iron pick, personally. for however long they last

[hard meteor]

we can probably make afew steel picks and shovels for this to help speedd it along

[wary vapor]

I might be at my limit today though. Partly why I posted the plan, other people can work at it if I leave

[hard meteor]

did such an amazing job today

il keep building a stock of ddirt and stone as well

[wary vapor]

Yeah, always need more dirt and stone

[spring cradle]

Nice wander, impressed at the dedication this road's gonna take.

[hard meteor]

if u ever take stone from insided my house tho, please only take the common stones and not stuff like granite, obsidian, slate, and basalt

il try to alwways put stuff thats totally open for roadd building in the outsided chests tho

[wary vapor]

Yup I only touch the chests outside your house

they;'re incredibly useful for random bits and bobs I need

[hard meteor]

just glad i can contribute in some way

[wary vapor]

Uh...

To be clear, this is after like half of them despawned

[opaque cove]

O

[lunar lion]

I see at least 2

[dire estuary]

How does this look

[lyric dew]

Oh I just realized, the Bowtorn Siege happened at Waypoint B. They must of thought it was named after them

[lyric dew]

Ooo looking good

[opaque cove]

Road dug out to 315 110 2844 just abouts

[dire estuary]

Need to finish roof and maybe make the chimney taller

[odd oracle]

My humble little home

[long comet]

And there was more

[dawn moss]

floor decoration progress, next week; plaster highlights

[south cypress]

manage to hop on just in time to daub most of my walls

[opaque cove]

Road crew got v far today o7 will be back next week with more digging good night everybody!

[lyric dew]

Reminder for myself where the road map is

[errant surge]

might be good to have this pinned for now

[austere furnace]

If I'm hoping to jump in next weekend, is it worth buying earlier and playing single player to get used to things? And if so what is the server settings to match them?

[errant surge]

default settings on the server I believe, and yeah getting a feel for some of the things is a good idea

[austere furnace]

Is it wilderness survival?

I expect aavak would have gone with that

[errant surge]

standard

[austere furnace]

Ah kk

It's cheaper than I thought so I may buy it and get myself familiar through the week.

[errant surge]

if it was just him he probably would have gone that

[vocal holly]

looking like a cozy cabin 🙂

For the ones that do come back to spawn, We ask that you do not share the project yet as its a work in progress 🙂

[south cypress]

was rice planted in the south or is that after the current plants crowing

[spring cradle]

I’ve invested like 100+ hours on my own solo game, ++watching a few streamers. It’s certainly good to have some experience before you dive in at the deep end, though the handbook in this game is a godsend (and you can set it to pause the game while you read on single player).

[wispy star]

id definitely recommend getting accustomed to it in advance. just saves you some hours of walking the lands of the community server trying to figure out how things work and what you're meant to do, let alone what's already done and provided

[tropic creek]

i now have a working solution to my issue! i found a solution to my problem the dev didnt know thanks everyone who tried to help me

[south cypress]

i made anew world because i wanted oceans and i got it but now i have to go to the copper age again unless i find stuff fore bronze

[glossy condor]

Very hard to do, you need youtuber luck for it.

[wary vapor]

I did a single player run and it took me till the middle of winter to find tin

Meanwhile the road team yesterday just ran into tin while tunnelling

[stark bison]

might not be the worst idea to do some singleplayer playing to get a handle on the game

[wary vapor]

Yeah, the first weekend I was having a nightmare trying to learn the game on the server. I did much better once I started a solo run where I could pause to check the wiki or the in-game info

[glossy condor]

On this server it's hard to know what to do even if one knows the game, let alone going in blind

[glossy condor]

Its because you weren't recording, game had no idea who you were :P

[wary vapor]

Exactly!

[blissful cipher]

Heyo peepos :)

Quick list of thoughts / plans for next weekend so they're out there in the aether and people can plan around them.

[wary vapor]

but yeah it's why I became a hermit on the outskirts of town, I wanted to learn the mechanics at my own pace under my own power rather than be a burden on the other players or step on toes. The more I got the hang of things the more I went into town and started participating in society 😆

[blissful cipher]

1. Put up lightning rods at Labrador Mountain, maybe @cold berry could chissel some nice sclupted pillars to mount them on?

2. (personal) Finish my 'house' by completing the upstairs, and changing the walls so something less awful (also add a lightning rod to the roof someplace)

[stark bison]

yeah, i was intending to go to Labrador Mountain and start there. however i noticed that the server isn't online currently

[blissful cipher]

3. Expand Labrador Mountain's central building to house more beds, offer better protection from storms.

[ashen musk]

It's only online on Saturdays when Aavak streams

[stark bison]

took a wild guess that it is only online on the saturday

[wary vapor]

Yeah the server only runs on saturdays from the start of aavak's first stream to the end of his second

[blissful cipher]

4. Travel back to Origin Cave, and check out the fantastic work done by the Road Crew (need a better name. Here are some suggestions: "The Paveborn", "Stonewalkers", "The Roadwrights", or maybe something more leaning into the fact Bentham is the road meister - "Bentham's March")

5. Both outposts, but especially Labrador Mountain, start stockpiling LOTS of food, in preperation for story progress expeditions, where lots of people will likely want to be involved.

[stark bison]

Pig Trailers

[blissful cipher]

6. Start forging basic armour, en masse either pelts or chain, for those who'll be taking part in the first expedition and dungeon, I know some people have high tier armour, but everyone should have something to make dying a bit less likely, either there or on the way XD

[stark bison]

wait, not meant as a trailer filled with pigs... was based on a pig trail

[blissful cipher]

Goal would be to have enough provisions and equipment built up by the end of next week, that we can launch an expedition at the start of the week following it.

Any other suggestions to pad out the list of chores in pursuit of that goal?

(Also, yeah, the VS server is only up during community game day Jel)

[long comet]

For anyone coming back to Origin Cave the mill has a stack of silver plates for the use as reflectors in your lanterns.

For will be made as I mine through the bountiful silver vein I found

[wary vapor]

A better system for providing equipment to players might be good. Like a "market", with stalls representing the various businesses around town where specialised peeps like smiths, tanners, masons can drop off their produce.

Racks of pickaxes and shovels, countertops draped with pelts, armour stands with leather, chain and gambesons, decorative stonework laid out like swatches

Oh and of course shelves of pottery

[blissful cipher]

Good idea! I like that :D

Though, expanding on this idea, do you think we want a set of stalls with the ideas that anything there is free to take so people can stock up on personal gear, or a central 'armoury' (but for tools as well) where people drop off equipment they don't need for what they'll be doing next? Basically same difference, but one focuses on mass production with the view 'everyone gets one (or many?)' and the other is a more 'lean' version where the focus is on having 'enough' for what the community needs, rather than each individual.

I can say right now, I need a saw like 15% of the time I'm playing, if that. Maybe 15% of 15% of the time I'm playing, so carrying one around of having a saw I consider 'mine' is hopelessly wasteful in terms of resources. (again though, we're more or less in a 'post scarcity' situation with copper at least, but once we start rolling out suits of armour I'm told that's going to change /shockingly/ fast)

[steady arrow]

Personally I'd lean towards the lean version (yes that's intentional), where it makes it a lot easier for other people to also be stopping by and quickly assisting in whatever is needed with the right tools for the job instead of having to for example go make some proper tools if lets say a massive cave-in happened and people need to be rescued, or if a massive amount of material is needed for something on short notice

[blissful cipher]

I feel it's very easy to trip and fall into the trap of playing a multiplayer game in a single player way, and in everyone's single player game, every tool and item ever made is 'their's and they feel proud of owning it, it's a sign of progress. But in a community focused multiplayer game, there can be less of an emphasis on "this is mine" and more of a "this is ours".

[long comet]

I'd say a central armoury would be a better idea as running around in a full suit of armour all the time(at least of heavier variety) is not the smartest of ideas. Same goes for the tools like saw or chisels. Unless you're doing a big project you probably don't need to have it on you most of the time.

so a place where people would also be encouraged to drop off their unused tools would be better

[wary vapor]

We could also do an actual bartering market, using signposted chests where someone can request X number of Y for an item. Bonus points if you put something toggle-able by it like a trapdoor to easier show that the trade has been made

[blissful cipher]

Sounds like we have a volunteer for setting it up :D

[lusty otter]

Lesson: never suggest something unless you want to manage it, because you will

😄

[long comet]

so maybe like a hopper with a trapdoor closing it off?

on second thought hoppers might be expensive

[blissful cipher]

But this is a good idea, I like it, and similarily I'm reminded of the idea of a central lore library where we can collect all our artefacts from ruins, tapestries, books, etc, so anyone can quickly top up all their journal entries or just enjoy reading if they want :)

[long comet]

We have Tiny_Goliath making a library

[blissful cipher]

The library is very much a luxxury, but something I think we'd get good use out of, and it would likely be a fun project for the archetecturally minded.

[wary vapor]

Oh yes, i'd love that

[blissful cipher]

Oh, nice!

I wasn't aware that's already underway, thanks Tiny :D

[wary vapor]

I've looked at that one tapestry and that's it

[long comet]

There were also talks of a museum.

[blissful cipher]

As long as the scale of the project doesn't become an impediemnt to it ever being finished, then it can be as many seperate buildings as desired.

[wary vapor]

But yeah my architectural ability is a little limited but I could work on a foundatin for a market. I think the approach would be barebones setup with basic stalls that players can then claim and build upon in their own style

[blissful cipher]

We don't need a scale replica of the Sistine Chapel to display our tapestries. Not because it wouldn't be cool to display them in such a building (it would), but because the foundation floor plan wouldn't even be finished before we wrap up the server, and right up until the last day everyone would still be having to run around town, checking the various private book cases and stashes if they want to flesh out their lore entries XD

Am a big fan of: Have a building I want to make to serve <x> function; build mud box sufficently large to accomodate <x> function; now that <x> function is being fulfilled, iterate on mud box until it is a scale replica of Khazad-dûm.

That way, when I inevitably get distracted by the need for a building to fulfill <y> function, I'm not left with a couple of grand pillars and an epic door way, but no actually functioning building to provide <x> XD

[wary vapor]

I like this cause I can build a market and when you're like "wow, excellent mud box" I can be like "uhh yes this is definitely just a first draft" I am at the absolute limit of my design abilities

[blissful cipher]

As Vision said; there is grace in our failings XD

[wary vapor]

😆

[long comet]

Or as they say "Temporary solutions are most permanent."

[blissful cipher]

But okay, got a solid set of jobs, lemme collect them into a single post so I can pin it.

[wary vapor]

I'm getting the hang of things though, my single player run is a series of specialised buildings set up round a crossroads and as you turn clockwise they transition of piles from garbage to a nice looking home

[long comet]

Hmm also a proper place where Points of Interests are noted would be great to have

[wary vapor]

Ah, like a bunch of signs with coordinates?

[long comet]

the most important thing would be that the places even exist

[wary vapor]

I like that, like a register of towns, waystations, remote homesteads

Traders

teleporters

[long comet]

something like that, I was thinking of putting individuals buildings too

[wispy star]

lol like an admin building

[long comet]

that could be in form of a board or a book

[wispy star]

maybe that can be built into the library

[long comet]

we would have to have a bookkeeper though

[wary vapor]

I'd have a wing set up for ore too, one for key prospecting results, one for individual ore deposits

"Lead bits found at 456 | 123 | 789", miners head out, harvest, return and clear the sign

[wispy star]

theres gonna be people who forget or dont know they need to have their buildings documented, so maybe someone would need to occasionally survey the land for new things

[long comet]

a proper census then

[blissful cipher]

I love how quickly that spiralled XD

[odd oracle]

oh great, we unlocked burocracy

[ashen musk]

👀

[long comet]

and we do have stacks of parchment made already

[wary vapor]

Industry, efficiency, expansion!

[long comet]

there's 70 something sheets in the tannery

[odd oracle]

cut every single tree down!

[ashen musk]

Did Vintage story turn into a 4X game

[wary vapor]

Origin Mining Co

[blissful cipher]

Labrador Mountain:
* Put up lightning rods at Labrador Mountain, maybe @cold berry could chissel some nice sclupted pillars to mount them on?
* Expand central building to house more beds & offer better protection from storms.

Origin Cave:
* Build a equipment vault, where people can collect tools or weapons & armour, as needed, and drop off any equipment once the need is passed.
* Build a library / meuseum and collect all lore / art in one place so people can learn more about the game world.

Both 'towns':
* Start large scale food stockpiling, in preperation for future story progression expedition.
* Begin forging modest armour (chain, hide, etc) for people going on the story expedition.

Road crew:
* Continue to be awesome and connect the towns & waystations.


Future Plans:
Next game night (19th of April) will be spent focusing on wrapping up current projects and expanding existing functionality, with a view to having the supplies and equipment needed to mount a story-progression expedition on the following communtiy night (26th of April).```

[wary vapor]

Origin Co official Domesday Book

[wary vapor]

Soon the East Origin Company will invade Labrador Mountain and exploit it for tropical foodstuffs

[lusty otter]

cough way ahead of you

[odd oracle]

we started with a colonization expedition and it just keeps getting better

[lusty otter]

tho so far all i did there was dig some clay and some medium soil (we need better, but no idea how to find/make)

[wary vapor]

Canal-based privateers

[blissful cipher]

Leads to berry-bush squatting pirates, waiting for unsuspecting canal-boat captains to amble past.

Which leads to the need for a navy, to protect the shipping lanes.

Which leads to the need for a larger canal to fit them all!

[mellow gull]

I spent most of the time yesterday on a museum like stucture although it was mostly for fun and might need to be reworked. It's also not quite done yet.

[ashen musk]

Med fert soil is 100% fine; high fert is supposed to be extremely rare :3

[long comet]

it's rare up north is gets more common as you go to wetter and warmer climates

we do have 1,5 stacks of it in origin from Rye's Trip

Which is being slowly but surely turned into terra pretta

[ashen musk]

They didn't turn it into terra? Color me surprised!

Ah.

[long comet]

compost takes a while sadly

[south cypress]

^^

also true

[spring cradle]

20 dang in-game days.

And so much rot.

[long comet]

yep, that's more than 2 months

[vocal holly]

I have a lil cozy reading room thats open for all, in my home in origin Village 🙂 just need chairs and it will be good to go.

it it will alwes be open for anyone who wants to read 🙂

[heavy condor]

If I was still living in my old province I could be, The Last Saskatchewan Pirate (it's a Song I know of)

[dawn moss]

im working on a building that we can probably turn into an armoury / tool location

[nocturne magnet]

Did the roadcrew get far after I logged out at Bravo?

[wary vapor]

I saw work starting on the next leg but then I left too

[hoary kernel]

How did things go yesterday? I was away on family stuff and wasnt even able to log in and watch the stream

[wary vapor]

There was a big expedition south, setting up various waystations every night and ending up 14k south where a new town called Labrador Mountain was built. Meanwhile, a team back home began the gargantuan task of building a road network connecting these waystations with the eventual goal of reaching the new town, making it about 2.5k south so far

[hoary kernel]

thats a big undertaking. are we fully out of winter now?

I would hope so with such a big undertaking

[wary vapor]

Yep, winter was long and harsh but finally ended

[hexed bane]

We could even write our own lore books to document our adventures

[dawn moss]

you havent been?

[hexed bane]

I barely just got enough leather for 1 backpack, I'm too poor for writing

[iron bolt]

i was working an animal barn at origin, something could be built ontop of it since its just a large flat roof right now

[nocturne magnet]

Thanks for the update.

[steel ore]

i had managed to capture and raise goats before i stopped playing. although, i dont think they will be ready for making much for a long time

[lusty otter]

grain fields, to feed the animals?

[long comet]

A field surrounded by a sod roof

[lusty otter]

like some scandinavian countries did with grass on their homes

not grain of course, but grass was done

[long comet]

Well, sod roofs are in the game so grass can be done

[austere furnace]

I did end up buying it, already rerolled my solo world once because my first one just didnt have enough food to scrounge in my starting area and i was starving repeatedly 4 days in let alone trying to work out how to progress >_<
Glad i didnt wait and go in blind next weekend.

[wary vapor]

I recommend getting a cooking pot (and bowls) sooner rather than later. I really struggled with starving till I discovered how crazy good the buffs are for meals

[dawn moss]

yeah cooking meals gives you temporary hp, but for your stomach

[vocal holly]

my solo game i just have berrys so many berrys winter it gonna be rough 🙂

[lusty otter]

yeah likely a good idea to start stockpiling grains if you can

make a few of the clay food containers to store it in... not sure if that's enough for grains?

what's the requirements for a cellar?

[glossy condor]

Underground, at least a 2x2, fully sealed by solid doors or trapdoors

No bigger than 7x7 iirc

[lusty otter]

gotcha, thanks

height maximum?

[glossy condor]

As far as distance to surface? I'm not sure...

[lusty otter]

ah i meant for internal dimensions of the room

[glossy condor]

Im not sure if it's needs to be a 2x2x2 or if a 2x2x1 would work, that would be kinda funny

Im pretty sure the max is 7x7x7

[lusty otter]

ah i meant the other end, but looks like 7x7x7

ah and rough doors don't work

(i ended up googling)

[glossy condor]

No they need to be made with planks

[lusty otter]

so i need to make a saw before i can have a functioning cellar, not a big issue

[glossy condor]

The intent is to gatekeep until after one has an anvil i think

Yeah exactly what you said lmao sorry

I should not be here when eepy

[glossy condor]

Technically not. You can seal it back up with full blocks and that should maintain the cellar bonus

[lusty otter]

ahh valid, but, on the other hand, i don't need the storage yet, so i can dig it out, and then leave the enclosement to a bit later

just, this is def the kind of survival game that requires a bit more prep than most (if not all) others

wake up to two rfits right on top of me

argh

[south coral]

For food stockpiling next week, the cellar tunnel exists already, but we will need storage vessels, and especially important - support beams. Once we have those, I'll want a skilled miner to lend me a hand in digging out the first cellars 😅
Even if we don't have bricks yet to make them pretty, we will want to start putting down the actual rooms, so we can store stuff underground. We probably should also get more lamps, or even lanterns, to light the place up better.

[lusty otter]

oh yeah i was jsut asking for myself and my solo game, since i heard cellar mentioned a few times, and figured worth asking

[south coral]

oh, yea, sorry, I skipped past a lot of text there 😅

so, your cellar does not need to be underground

we just want them to be, so they're out of the way of the town, and because underground cellars feel more cellar-y

the max size of a cellar is 7x7x7 interior, and the wall needs to be made of insulating block faces, made of soil, stone or ceramics

[lusty otter]

just needs to be correctly insulated, but... imma jsut dig it underground when ig et around to it

[lusty otter]

'cobblestone count?

[south coral]

you can have glass in the walls, in theory, but it will make the cellar less efficient

yes, cobblestone is stone ^^

have you seen the inn's pantry, by chance?

Also, you need doors or trap doors - crude doors do not count - and trap doors are technically the most efficient, but only if you have a roof above them, too, to block skylight access

but at a certain size, the impact of even open doors is negligible

do keep that in mind though, if you have a small cellar, you always want that door closed if you can

also, apparently there's a thing with how it calculates the rooms, so if you use solid faces on blocks inside the cellar, they should also be cooling blocks (like stone, soil or ceramics)

that one, I am not sure if it's still up-to-date information... but better safe than sorry 😅

[lusty otter]

not really, i was bolting around trying to get supplies for the expedition, so didn't really have time to stop and smell the flowers 😉

[lusty otter]

yup, crude doors only ount as physical barrier for monsters, from what i understand

[south coral]

fair, fair. That thing is a cellar, and mostly above ground, so it's a pretty decent example.

Yea, exactly

and the recent re-nerfs make them just... outright worse than fence gates

there is no point ever crafting one

[lusty otter]

oh, didn't know, i basiclaly craft one for my early "literally hole in the ground"

[south coral]

yea... So, they now occasionally fall off the hinges (again) when you use them

crude fence gates do not have that problem. Though they technically are slightly more expensive than a door - but two logs and a single stick are not going to make that much of a difference

[south cypress]

so yo need to finish the archive thingy order to guy an elk

[frigid matrix]

should we build a equipment shed down in labrador or will we just sprint back home

[south cypress]

most likely build an shed

[south cypress]

does smithing make the tool/weapon better than pouring the liquid metal into a mold?

[austere furnace]

That's helpful to know. My biggest issue is I haven't had any luck finding clay yet which I assume I need for making starting bowls and such. 😣

[errant surge]

just makes it so you can make those tools/weapons for which molds exist out of the castable toolmetals (copper/bronzes) before you have an anvil

[south cypress]

i assumed as much :/

[long comet]

also saves some time and fuel

as you're not waiting for an ingot to cool and then heat it up again

was very useful in the copper and bronze age to just pour a few pickaxes quickly

[south cypress]

so molds ar good for copper and bronze

[long comet]

can't liquefiy iron

[south cypress]

which is shame XD

i doubt the game has the tech to liquefy iron like IRL

[long comet]

well... The current balance reason is to gate iron behind actually finding a tin vein so you have to learn prospecting before working iron. But the tech level represented in the game is on par with 19th century in the case of the cementation furnace

as the design comes from a 19th century steelmaking manual

[south cypress]

then again i see no reason to melt iron

[long comet]

would allow you to skip blooms

and they require a good fuel source and bricks

[south cypress]

good fuel and oxygen

[errant surge]

8th century blastfurnace when

[south cypress]

next an iron man suit the one stark made in a cave

[long comet]

8th century? From what I just looked europe had them only in the 15th, china however was playing around with cast iron in 5th BC

[errant surge]

https://www.medievalware.com/blog/late-medieval-steel-revolution/ bit earlier than 15th, but yeah the 8th century account of one is questionable

[long comet]

huh, so who is willing to pump the bellows for hours on end?

but, yeah cast iron is probably in the realms of future addition of steam power

[hexed bane]

Wild goats can be milked after they give birth, although pregnancy takes like 20 ingame days

Also goats can eat grass, no need to waste food on them

Just make a scythe for faster gathering

[south cypress]

goat milk = cheese

[hexed bane]

After a very convoluted process, yes

[long comet]

Needs a good cellar

[hexed bane]

But you need pickled veggies, salt and linen

[south cypress]

and there is bread so that means grilled cheese

[hexed bane]

And shelves in a cellar yes

[long comet]

Cheese can spoil sometimes before ripening

So a mountain location is preferavle

[hexed bane]

No grilled cheese in vanilla

[long comet]

There are cheese pies

[hexed bane]

But there are cheese pies

Also there is blue cheese, but it needs a special structured cellar

[long comet]

And you really want a sub zero cellar

It will spoil in a normal one

[hexed bane]

Yeah because I think it doesn't get the cellar buffs to the spoilage rate

[long comet]

The cellar is there only to fulfill the blue cheese conditions

[hexed bane]

But for regular cheese i think normal cellar is enough

[long comet]

For cheddar yes

[hexed bane]

I think it's technically a cave, not a cellar, because it's not a room

[hoary kernel]

we defintely have salt, we can make the pickled veggies, i think the linen is going to be a problem, but now we are out of winter the supplies with improve

[south cypress]

i am sure we can get salt from some twitch stream X

[long comet]

Going back there for sylvite would be good too

It would quicken our flax production

60% potassium fertiliser and 15% maximum natural restoration is nothing to sneeze at

[south cypress]

only good on medium soil

or low

[long comet]

What do you mean? Terra pretta benefits too

[south cypress]

right for making it right?

[long comet]

Sylvite just adds an additonal 15% K to the natural percent

[south cypress]

so 100% K on the soil?

unless it can go to 105%

[long comet]

The 80% of terra pretta becomes 95%

[south cypress]

i was misremembering things 😛

[long comet]

It allows for using faster growing N and P crops for the rotation

[south cypress]

does it naturaly go back to the 95% or will it go back to the 80%?

[long comet]

To 95%

[south cypress]

so perma 10%

15%*

[long comet]

Yes, exactly

If used on other soil types it also visually changes the block to a higher fertility variabt

[south cypress]

so you use on medium soil it an go to high?

[long comet]

Only visually

[south cypress]

ah

[long comet]

Because the N and P fertility remains unchanged

[south cypress]

so can't make medium into high which is understandable for game balance

[long comet]

Well, the difference in ferility is 15%

But you can't dig up farmland either way

[hexed bane]

Linen is not consumed, so we only need 1 piece

[south cypress]

i assume you need to clean it? or did i just do terafirmacraft

[hexed bane]

No cleaning

We can also use wax to make the cheese last longer, although it's optional

[south cypress]

good idea if having too much cheese

[hexed bane]

Also we can just drink milk

[south cypress]

but you can add it to meals for that boost

[long comet]

Could you make milk soup or did it have to be cheesr?

[hexed bane]

I don't think you can use milk in cooking, not sure about cheese besides pies

[long comet]

Stews can have cheese iirc

[hexed bane]

Maybe

[long comet]

Scrambled eggs also can have cheese

[hexed bane]

Those are vanilla?

[long comet]

Yes, explicitly mentioned in meal making guide

It's after jam

[hexed bane]

Huh, I guess I just never have chickens

[south cypress]

i feel like cheese lasts longer than milk

[long comet]

It does

[hexed bane]

Definitely, would be weird otherwise

[long comet]

That's the main reason to make cheese-preserving dairy

[south cypress]

also you can't always milk the animal

[spring cradle]

Another benefit to milk is it gives you dairy, the last food group, so +HP and satiation duration.

[south cypress]

so do eggs it seems

wait you can add cheese to scrambled eggs so that's what you meant

[spring cradle]

Eggs should be protein.

[hexed bane]

Calculations from the top of my head:
1 milking = 10L milk (every other day)
25L milk + 1 pickled veg = 25 L curdled milk
10L curdled milk + 1 salt = 10L cottage cheess
25L cotage cheese + 1 linen (not consumed) + 1 stick + 5 salt = raw cheese
(optional) raw cheese + 1 wax = raw waxed cheese
So a full barrel (50L) of milk needs 2 pickled veggies and 15 salt to produce 2 cheese wheels

Feel free to correct if you have the game or wiki open

[south cypress]

5 salt for 50L curdled milk

so 1 salt for 10L of curdeld milk

[hexed bane]

5 for curdled and tgen 2 x 5 for wheels

Unless I'm misremembering

[south cypress]

To make cottage cheese, the player needs to add salt to a barrel of curdled milk, with one salt for each 10 litres. After placing the salt into the barrel, the tool tip will indicate that it can be sealed for 24h to make cottage cheese. Cottage cheese stays fresh for about 20 days in a barrel, and provides 140 dairy satiety per litre

from the wiki

[hexed bane]

Yeah that's what I wrote I think?

50L = 5 salt + 5 +5 = 15

Also didn't count salt for pickling, but I imagine we will want to do it anyway for preservation

[south cypress]

well we need to find halite which gives salt an spawns sulvite

[hexed bane]

You mean in the south? Because we have a lot at spawn

[south cypress]

i mean we need both at the labtador mountain too

[hexed bane]

Right, it might be tricky to find though

With halite, you either spend too much time searching for it, or find it by accident early on

[long comet]

There is a method to find it more easily

though it is labour intensive still

You need to mine horizontal tunnels at the seam between the bottom most sedimentary rock layer and the uppermost metamorphic layer

that's the lowest where the tip of a salt pillar would be found

obviously some prospecting need be done first

[south cypress]

it does show in the prospecting right?

[long comet]

yes but the numbers can be misleading

you can find 80 permille readings and still be unable to find one

it's the only mineral where the strategy of multiple vertical shafts fails

[south cypress]

the wiki said something about dryed out lakes where you can find it too

[hexed bane]

So maybe next stream we can organize a mining group

[long comet]

That's very down south

[hexed bane]

Those ones are not on prospecting picks

[long comet]

the salt lakes are only found in deserts and are much smaller

like proper deserts with cacti

[hexed bane]

We might be in the right area for them, there are acacias

And cacti yeah

[south cypress]

i did found cacti other side of the lab mountain so

so we might have one close by

[hexed bane]

But I personally never saw a salt lake in my games so no idea how to look for them

[long comet]

they're quite small and are directly below the sand

[hexed bane]

So do you just dig in random spots in the deserts?

[long comet]

pretty much

[hexed bane]

No cues like with meteorites?

[long comet]

they're salt flats so they are very flat

you might be able to spot them sometimes where the elevation changes

[south cypress]

well you need only one layer of sand/gravel to dig to find it

[hoary kernel]

I got lucky finding the salt I did on the community server. just a pillar of salt just standing there

[lyric dew]

We got somewhere between 1/3 or 1/4 of the way from B to C with the actual planned out/carved out path, it still needs actual path blocks though bc we were struggling getting enough stones down there to make them

[austere furnace]

I was cutting grass outside my cave hovel and I caused the entire thing to collapse 🤣😭

What is the benefit of repacking dirt to rammed earth rather than just using packed earth?

[lyric dew]

Looks

You can make 4 variations of rammed earth too by putting it back in the crafting grid to break up the look

[lyric dew]

You basically cycle which variation of rammed earth you want by putting it back in 1 slot of the crafting grid over and over

[heavy condor]

Welp, I was building up my house in singleplayer, when i found a hotspring

time to move closer to it

[opaque cove]

O_O i have been killed by bore 5 times now in single player but i do have a hovel

[glossy condor]

Stone spears are your friend

Knock back good

(There is a reason they won't add iron spears)

[wispy star]

if you just kite and yuck spears in circles so you can grab your spears back its pretty great

or just go for one attack run, then lose aggro craft up more spears and go agai

[quartz crypt]

I just realised I won't be around for the community day where the story line expedition happens!

But I'm gonna do whatever I can to help you all prepare next session
Even if that means disappearing into a copper mine for most the day!

[hard meteor]

finally getting into animal husbandry in my single player and omg wish i did this sooner, pigs are such a goodd source of meat, hide and fat its crazy, just feeding them alittle of my crops and they have soooo many babies

i went from 2 pigs to like 30 within like 2 generations

also chickens very easy to get, wish i did that sooner as well, could probably capture them within first day or 2 on a new save to get breeding started early, dont think they as effecient as boars but having a good source of eggs is nice

sadly my goats produce allot more slowly, seems they only have 1 baby at a time, but i feel once i get afew generations in then will have a solid source of milk

[hexed bane]

Adding on to the library thing: with parchment and ink we could write paper letters to each other, maybe we could even build a post office building where the writing materials would be stored, as well as a book with everyone's addresses, so people could go there to write a letter and either deliver it themselves or drop it into a box for a courier to deliver.

[wispy star]

that sounds nice :p

[dawn moss]

i say we put a post office / quest board where that wattle and daub shack is, next to the fountain

[iron bolt]

could place grain farm ontop of the barn, but we need everything for the town right now because of no stockpile

[austere furnace]

So i'm thinking of re-rolling my world yet again, cos while im doing much better at surviving, I still cant find clay anywhere near my initial spawn and after looking online it seems like it might be easier to just re-roll and hope i get luckier, than search then attempt to relocate with not great gear or food options >_<

[errant surge]

may want to invest in some clay-finding squints then, the red & blue-gray shovels is where I found clay in my world (and that just the general area I'm building at) while not even out looking for it

full map, and the right settings means rafting about for large distances in little time is great 😎

landcover 80%, oceanscale 75% and landformscale 140% for those interested

[austere furnace]

Was going to ask if thats oceans enabled, i don't think i ticked that and i kind of regret it

I also didnt turn on the colour map which based on my research, you can spot clay sometimes from

My starting area is kind of wetlands which i thought would have clay everywhere, and its next to a sandstone gravel hills biome that definitely has no clay

Having also now learnt my lesson about picking up berry bushes after i pick them to take to my homebase, i would benefit from doing that from day 1 if i reroll.

[errant surge]

ah, oceanscale is what the config mod calls it in the custom settings menu it's landcover scale

and sandstone can have clay, that one shovel on the right of the map in the first picture is in sandstone

[austere furnace]

oh really? I read online that the gravel dessert-like areas are unlikely to have clay.

its almost all gravel, not soil or sand, uncommon rain

[long comet]

With the addition of red clay clay spawns were tweaked. Fire clay specifically spawns in bauxite deserts sand or gravel

[errant surge]

ah, yeah that would do it

and yeah, that map is now in autumn colors so not as obvious but spring and summer colors you can see a slight difference between straight grass and clay with grass

here's a part that's still got spring colors, the brown shovel is a peat deposit, the area with yellow markings has the same discoloration going to be another peat deposit and the red marked area you can see a slight reddish hue going to be a red clay deposit

blue clay however you've got to find that in situ, as the color map doesn't really help you for that stuff

[south cypress]

how deep does native copper usualy spawn?

[errant surge]

some of the copper host rocks can be either first or second layer

the rest is first layer stuff

[south cypress]

just dug down becasue of surfave copper only found quarts which can't mines as i lack bronze stuff

i guess i have to make a pro pick

[errant surge]

that might either enclose it or you can try to find the edge of the quartz and mine under it

[austere furnace]

This is the gravel area, only sandstone and conglomerate, not bauxite so I don't think any clay of any kind. Pity, i have found a good size peat deposit already.

Ok generated a new map with oceans and coloured map. Not sure if I should go malefactor again or try hunter though. Foraging loot seems like a good buff

[south cypress]

there is a option where you can craft all the class items

[austere furnace]

Yeah but I presume that doesn't negate the buffs to harvesting and such

[south cypress]

well the class is up to you which uff you want to have

[hexed bane]

Clay is abundant, maybe you just weren't noticing it, you need to look for patchy-looking grass, or exposed clay on block sides

Maybe you were in an area with too low rainfall too

Also I guess it's an unpopular opinion but I don't like using colored map, it makes waypoints hard to see and doesn't give me any useful information really

[spring cradle]

Surface copper is not an indicator of native copper further down, fyi.

Surface deposits are usually small groupings who can be relatively quickly mined out. You’ll want to use a prospecting pick on long distance mode to know if you’ve got odds at finding deeper stuff. Prospecting is a whole thing but there’s a couple good threads on it on Reddit and such.

[blissful cipher]

I haven't played with map much, or at all, before the community server, but so far I like the sepia coloured map more than the screenshots of coloured map, myself. Haven't considered the implication of coloured waypoints on it, but just like the vibe.

[heavy condor]

Well i just learned that a specific flower is best for Bee Keeping

[austere furnace]

I finally found red clay, the map didn't help and I did like the medieval style but now I'm stuck with it unless I reroll the same seed now I know where to go.

[heavy condor]

There is a command you can use to swap map types, it does require a relog however

[hexed bane]

Which one, and how did you learn that? To my knowledge the type doesn't matter at all

[hexed bane]

You can do a command to change the map, check the wiki

[heavy condor]

Lupines, I only placed under a tack, got 80 some flowers by the skep

[hexed bane]

I never heard about any difference between flowers, are you sure the skeps updated the count? It doesn't happen immediately

[heavy condor]

it did, i had zero flowers in the area i placed the skep, but when i added the lupines, over 80

[hexed bane]

So how many did you place?

[heavy condor]

50 something IIRC

[hexed bane]

I'll have to do my own testing then

[heavy condor]

I think its cause the Lupines have multiple flowers in one block space

[hexed bane]

Other flowers are like that too

[heavy condor]

Lupines are the only ones ive run across that do such, coul dbe more, but so far only lupines for me have done multiple flowers in one block space

[hexed bane]

Doesn't seem like they give more so far

Are you sure you didn't miscalculate flowers or have other types nearby

Maybe you have flowering berry bushes or crops?

8 gives 8

Exactly 24

So I think you have other things that count as flowers

[long comet]

Fun fact skeps count flowers in all axis including height

[south cypress]

the other stuff you use to make the healing thingy

[hexed bane]

Horsetail, yeah it's also a flower, even though irl it isn't

[heavy condor]

Whats the range of the skep/Bees then?

8

hmmm, for the crop portion of things, what type of crops are used for skeps/bee calculations?

[long comet]

A cube of side length 9 centered on the skep iirc, as for the crops it's that fallow fields grow cattails which are considered flowers

[heavy condor]

If Cattails count then thats at least som eof it, but not all

[stark bison]

which mod is that?

[errant surge]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/configlib

together with this https://mods.vintagestory.at/autoconfiglib

[hexed bane]

Not sure, I thing soy and a couple others

Berry bushes count when flowering

Cattails don't count I think

[long comet]

Cattails do count

[hexed bane]

Huh weird

Never noticed

[long comet]

I guess crops could checked for in creative whether they have the flower descriptor depending on growth stage

But everything counting as flowers should have it in its description

Though i don't know about bushes

[south cypress]

i wonder if the bees effect the growth for the flowering crops

[long comet]

In vanilla they don't

[south cypress]

yet

i do hope they do add small speed for the crops and berries and fruit trees

[heavy condor]

Do only fully grown cattails count?

[long comet]

Oh sorry i mentally converted cattail to horsetail

It's horsetail which counts as a flower

[long comet]

Fruit trees don't really have a growth speed instead they flower and fruit at specific times of year

Which is different for each tree

[south cypress]

well fruting speed

[heavy condor]

If Cattails don't count, then im right back at the start, and wondering what crops count now

[long comet]

So there's no horsetail near?

[heavy condor]

only Flax and Onions, and not even past the second stage

and my skep/bees are now at 114 flowers in range

[dawn moss]

man, i did some prep work in creative and now i cant wait for the server to go up

honestly a shame we only get it once a week

[heavy condor]

So either the calculations for the bees take time when theres lupines, or something funky is going on

[long comet]

Well the updates take a while either way

In general

[errant surge]

seems to heavily depend on the growth stage of the crops, was counting 7 flowers for a while when they were all in the mid range, some finished and now down to 4

[heavy condor]

Then yeah, im gonna assume the lupines do actually have an effect with their multiple flowers in one spot

also damn, found 4 books from 20 bony soil

Also my skep with the flowers

[long comet]

Will test that when i get home, because that hasn't been my experience with lupines, but last i used them was a good few versions ago

[errant surge]

wouldn't count out those crops though

[heavy condor]

Cattails, Flax, Onions, Turnip, Lupines, and spelt, only things within 8 blocks of the skep

[long comet]

That's why some for sciencing is in order, flax might count as a flower to be fair

It does have pretty blue flowers

[heavy condor]

at growth stage 2?

[long comet]

I have no idea how that's handeled internally

But if they do count it might be a good idea to put some skeps in our greenhouse

As crops might benefit bees for a decently long timespan

[heavy condor]

also definitely chisselling my own stairs instead of using the crafted ones, so much smoother then the crafted ones

[long comet]

But the workload of chiseling stairs is so high!

[errant surge]

eh, flowers do their thing 24/7, crops like I said depends on the growth stage

[heavy condor]

not as high as some other things, Coughs Ovens or cupboards Coughs

[long comet]

You're chiseling cupboards?

[heavy condor]

on my singleplayer im planning to

[long comet]

I just use shelves

[heavy condor]

for the server, nope

[long comet]

I mean I did however chisel a chimney extensions to ovens so make it seems as if I'm venting smoke out the kitchen

[heavy condor]

I do admittedly have the chisel mod installed for my singleplayer game, so it won't be as bad chisselling the cupboards and counters nad so on

For the server im going to stick to simple chisselling

[long comet]

Actually I think it would be possible to chisel like traditional signboards for buildings on the server

Thousr could be cool

You can even add tooltips to chiseled blocks to provide text descriptors

I'll see whether I could design some

[heavy condor]

I really need to find out what setting is causing my random lagspikes

[hard meteor]

im planning to chisel most of my kitchen on the server once its up, but not lookin forwardd to how much thats going to be X.X

[dire estuary]

I spent a good 3 hours just chiseling the entrace to my cabin lol

Went through a meteoric iron chisel and half of a copper one

[hard meteor]

o.o would love to see what you did tho, thats a ton of chisel work

but ya once u get into chiseling it can get really addicting

[vocal holly]

yes, it can... I spent ages on my new doorways last session and hearth the time before 😂

[long comet]

Anybody have ideas for more signs like that?

[rotund hull]

Leather worker? Beer mug for a Tavern?

[hexed bane]

Cooking pot for a kitchen

Pelt for a tannery

Sewing kit for a tailor's

[long comet]

don't know if the resolution will let me make a recognisable sewing kit

but I'm noting the suggestions down

was thinking of making a redsmith sign of casting copper using hardened red clay

and brown wattle and daub

[hexed bane]

Hardened clay can't be made in survival anymore

[long comet]

it can't?

alright guess I'd need to find a different red block for that

bauxite should work

[dawn moss]

I already made a sign like that for the tailors. Thread and needle

[long comet]

great! Should I follow some kinda pattern to be consistent or is something like the blacksmith sign good?

[dawn moss]

Up to you, I did it in a single block of I think oak or maple. It was a 1 chisel block thick plane with the corners knocked out, and a 1 chisel block raised edge on both sides to like frame it

Which'd give you a 14 chisel block canvas to work with

For copper you might be able to use bauxite or chert stone, depending on the colour you want

Cause if you turn a chert rock into a chiseled block you can mine it without quarrying it out

Or bauxite for that matter

[hexed bane]

Something like this

[dawn moss]

Looking at it I'm pretty sure it was a maple board. But other than that yeah I think like identical sized thread

But also the 4 corners chipped out, and the edge raised 1 block to give it a framed look

[hexed bane]

Bakery could have a loaf of bread or a pie

[long comet]

pie would be quite easy using walnut and birch and oak on a maple or pine board

and would be more easily recognisable

[spring cradle]

Bakery (if one exists): loaf of bread.

[long comet]

This is how the Redsmith sign could look

this one uses bauxite for the copper and brown wattle and daub for the baked clay of the mold and crucible

Something like this for the bakery?
Turned out more like a tin loaf still in the tin, but I guess that's ok too.

[spring cradle]

I am actually reminded of a pie.

Which is probably also good.

[long comet]

Yay, a culinary ambigram

[spring cradle]

Is it tin bread? Is it a pie? Is it a muffin? Whatever, it's a bakery!

[long comet]

Alright all of these shouldn't be too hard once the server is on during the weekend as they use pretty common materials

In a pinch I could for example substitute the walnut in the blacksmith sign with rammed earth which also looks good

[hexed bane]

I think you could try adding bauxite as a filling to make it look like a fruit pie, right now it kind of all blends together

Maybe a lighter background as well

[glossy condor]

I had an image with tons let me see if I can find it

(They're in german tho)

Kingdom Come Deliverance 1 and 2 also probably has what you're looking for

[long comet]

These are nice but most of these are a little too detailed to implement in VS without making huge signs

[glossy condor]

I would certainly check out KCD then, see if there is a list online of the signs they use

[long comet]

the signs are understandable for me too even without translation, a lot of trade terminology got borrowed from german into my native polish

Interesting that the tanner's guild symbol are hide scraping knives and not the later tools for actually tanning, though I guess with the smell a knife is probalby a better association.

[austere furnace]

I think a lot of these signs would be more legible if just backed onto a lighter wood like the tailor example. Either go lightest or darkest wood for the backing depending on the design colour to maximise contrast, rather than midde of the spectrum.

[dire estuary]

Found a hell pit in my single player run lol

Almost fell in

[south cypress]

does this game allow me to download this game on another PC?

[vocal holly]

Not sure how the game's auth works in that regard might need to look it up.
but i see no reason why it would prevent you from doing so, but again I'd look it up to be sure

[south cypress]

gonna go visit my mother tomorrow for the weekend so i won't be home so i was wondering if i am able to play borrowing their PC

[south coral]

IIRC, you just have your account, how often you download it doesn't matter

[south cypress]

good

so i can join the weekend game stream

[austere furnace]

I was looking up synchronising saves between my laptop and desktop, apparently it just logs you out each time you log on a different system.

[south cypress]

welp soon as i went back up the mine thinking i did not find the copper it was in the first layer of stone XD

58 medium chunks of native copper from this small vein

[heavy condor]

welp, ran across a iron bloom that had less thent he number of voxels needed to make an ingot

[south cypress]

man what a terrible luck

[long comet]

save it for when you get a helve hammer then

but it is rotten luck

[heavy condor]

Thats what im working towards, I can't find anything that will drop fat to make axles, and also waiting for my field of flax to finish growing

[south cypress]

i mean best way to get fat is to capture pigs and breed and feed them but that is a ton of work and not easy

[heavy condor]

Also working on that

[south cypress]

seems like pigs are the best unless you want to breed racoons instead

[heavy condor]

5 up from my door should be goo for a starter windmill yes?

[glossy condor]

Idk if it was weird luck but on my old server I noticed that if you only place 100 nuggets into the bloom instead of 120 it never comes out as half an ingot

Or yeah just save those ones for helve hammers

[long comet]

at the beginning you just need enough space for the sails to have space