Vintage Story - Community Game Server

[hard meteor]

but ya i dont think any advanced econommy would grow, at most simple barterss maybe in time if both parties are up for it

EEWW taxes!

[ashen musk]

I’m gatekeeping the goats
Please tax me in goats

-# There’s too many goats

[blissful cipher]

We'll make goats the official currency.

Tax can only be paid in goats.

[wispy star]

the wealth of the hoonters shall be great

[south cypress]

at least you did not ask sheep XD

[blissful cipher]

Hehe XD

[south cypress]

do the goats give wool?

[vocal holly]

it will involve much pain, knowing Aavaks track record of mods 😄

[hard meteor]

oh im sure it will be a much harder world

[blissful cipher]

Eh, probably just more stuff, tbh. Which might make things harder, but more of a biproduct.

[hard meteor]

i hope theres some good market stall mods out there for a proper rp economy

[vocal holly]

Part of me wishes there was a physical map and compass find that much more interesting for navigating 😄

[hard meteor]

in another server in another life, il happily be that mason/furntiure maker selling mmy chiseled works en mass, then murder the neighbor when he buyss it and replicates mmy furniture to undercut me

[vocal holly]

The next version give us so many pots its going to be plantastic!

[hard meteor]

that was one thing i really did enjoy more in minecraft was the map system, but i wouldnt be surprised if the map system gets allot of love in future

theress clearly game systems in place to share map coordinates in written work, so i hope we can at least do that in future, a library of coordinates

[vocal holly]

i will dream of a master map wall and everyone running around with rough maps 😄

[blissful cipher]

But back on the topic of trade, if we do a second server there may well be more of an RP vibe with towns and economies, though not even sure what that would look like.

Might be worth considering for the future though. Not sure if there are any mods that expand the potential for economy.

[hard meteor]

it really dependsd on how the mods are for trade, otherwise may need to use npcs as the base for trading

ddont know why i have this on in my single player, but the auction house system is at least something, tho i feel a barter system justs makess more sense, hopefully there would be mods or sommething to help facilitate it

but worse case there are plenty of ways we can trade in game ussing the existing features, justs by establishing rules/systemm easily followed

[glossy condor]

Last server i was "elected" president solely to shoot the first guy to invent taxes, I am willing to fufil that promise here, even without my glorious firearms. :P

[vocal holly]

A proper established trading system could be fun.

[south cypress]

i feel the communist ways works easier when there are the storms that summons invasion

[wispy star]

is your money going to save you from the horrors, or are the people going to

will they sacrifice their safety for your money

[hard meteor]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/vinconomy just at a quick glance did find this, maybe something to think about if we do go down that route for a heavily moddedd sserver someday

[wispy star]

(they would do it without money but we're talking about the dapperlings here)

[glossy condor]

(There was no election and I never ran for office. The three senior staff members swore me in and kept giving me orders to kill people.)

On second thought, maybe I was actually the village hitman.....

[blissful cipher]

Sounds like you were a crazed gunman honestly.

[glossy condor]

That actually seems really neat

[south cypress]

one is a job and other mental sickness

[blissful cipher]

lol

love that skit xD

[hard meteor]

omg the mod has a sculpture stall, my dreams can be reality!

[blissful cipher]

But yeah, it might be fun to have a server with a bit more of a focus on having 'towns' that produce different goods, who then trade with each other on scale, rather than individual entrepreneurs. As even on the current server, the folk talking about trade are largely solo ops who'd quickly find themselves utterly crushed by the productive effort of the groups on the server. And unlike Eco, there's no skill points to force people to do specific jobs. In a world where everyone can do anything, it becomes a case of 'which group is biggest' that would dominate.

You see it on Eco all the time, if the colab setting is very loose.

And that's a game that has a very real economy baked in XD

I imagine in order to encourage real trade, there'd need to be a degree of effort to reduce the resource abundance to some degree, so even if everyone can do everything, the effort to find the resources would become the limiting factor.

Ugh, pardon the redundancy XD

[hard meteor]

there are popular skill point/leveling mods out there as well, i feel if doing ore of an economy run, that would be better to at least alloww people to better specilize

right now theres sadly very few resources we actually need to travel long distance for in vanilla tho

[blissful cipher]

Yeah, I've seen at least one RPG skill type mod suggested.

[south cypress]

maybe more of the titels thingys like when there is commoner and hunter and stuff

[blissful cipher]

Oh, you mean expand on the buffs/debuffs of the class system? Maybe some mods that make it so the class gates what you can work on.

[glossy condor]

We're just gonna mod VS to be ECO lmao

[hard meteor]

there are afew class mods i have seen that really buff what some classes can do, wel if ur not the class u can still in theory do it, but its not very effetive, its like a black guard trying to collect wild crops

[vocal holly]

If we all pick the lumberjack class, it will solve the issue of too many trees right?

[south cypress]

like have more classes like a farmer whom get's more harvest or smith that gives bonuses to tools, weapons and armour and stuff like that

[blissful cipher]

Hehe, you jest, but kinda, if there's an actual desire for an economy to exist. As it is, the game would just suffer from what the earlier Eco servers suffered with. Those who wanted to have an actual economy and trade something they worked hard to produce, etc, got really burned out and disheartened when 3 or 4 player groups just did everything internally with no need to trade, or gregarious and friendly people just gave stuff away with no requirement of reciprocity.

[hard meteor]

thats why perhaps the auction house system may be a good middle ground, or that other economy mod, where itss not really enforced, but im not sure how well the community would handle that

[blissful cipher]

The biggest issue on the early Eco servers was the dapperlings, as a group, default to just giving everything away. if you need it, and I have it, you can take it. It really bummed some players out that it wasn't just that people were working together that stood in the way of a more 'capitalistic' aproach, it's that people just seemed to have almost no drive to aquire personal wealth, and without that, any possible resource someone could want to trade was already available, in bulk, for nothing.

[south cypress]

seems like dappelings are socialist XD

[glossy condor]

We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune.

[long comet]

Trying to be capitalists instead enact utopian communism

[blissful cipher]

Initial efforts were made to curtail how 'anti-economy' our servers were by artificially restricting how much people could group up. But that almost did the oposite of help, as without a small-tribe, instead of defaulting to 'I am my own tribe' most dapperlings went the exact opposite way and stopped thinking in terms of tribes at all.

One-Crew best Crew.

https://tenor.com/view/the100-octavia-octavia-blake-we-are-one-clan-gif-11622672

[hard meteor]

may be challanging to find a good middleground for the community

[south cypress]

can you add gold to chisel block?

[long comet]

I usually end up playing a benevolent hermit under such circumstances

[long comet]

A gold block yes

[blissful cipher]

it's the best way to go.

[hard meteor]

my approach on servers is typically anything i have in abundance would be free to use/supplied, but the harder more limited stuff would be behind some form of economy for those want it, be it barter or something else, and as i build more surplus i donate it to the community.

[long comet]

Bloody expensive the things

You need 12 ingots for one metal block

[hard meteor]

yes building with metal is crazy expensive >.<

[blissful cipher]

But for the community, the real issue is, that those who want an economy NEED everyone else to behave as if there is one, while those who don't care and are happy just doing what they enjoy and giving things away for free, don't need anything to have what they want. In fact, they have to give that up to give the economy players what they want XD

[hard meteor]

can we even turn a metal block back into bits?

[long comet]

What i did find is that one can place a plate on a block face

[vocal holly]

but how else will i get a golden throne?

[south cypress]

i just want a bedroom with nice carvings using stone and gold maybe silver

[blissful cipher]

It's like what I say about introverts and extroverts. Despite the awesome PR campaign about 'adopting an introvert', the reality is an Introvert has everything they need to be happy all the time. Themselves. And nothing more. While the extrovert /needs/ people around them. This whole 'adopting' thing is, in reality, them kidnapping na introvert to be their pocket soruce of socialising when they don't have anyone else XD

[long comet]

I actually did end up selling someone 3 gold metal blocks on TOPS in my precious metal trader days just for such a thing

[long comet]

I would suggest tin bronze layer as it's close enough in colour and much more abundant

[vocal holly]

Yeah if you want a full blown economy everyone needs to participate fully or it brakes down quite quickly.

[blissful cipher]

And that was the big issue with Eco.

[south cypress]

is there brass

[hard meteor]

il be honest i am really tempted to go deep south and make a hermit houses to collect rare and exotic plants, to ocationally bring back to the main town

[long comet]

Yes there is

[hard meteor]

the hermit life is very appealing >.<

[blissful cipher]

As even if a small group of people stopped caring about personal wealth, internally, even if they externally took part in the economy, it broke. In fact, it broke WAY worse.

(Eh, might want to wait till next stream before fleshing out those 'deep south' plans Kalisa >_>)

[south cypress]

well brass is to me close to colour of gold

[vocal holly]

But brass if only for the brass tax. 😛

[blissful cipher]

Eh, actually, not sure why I'm holding my cards close to my chest, we've plans to run a big expidition to the south, large scale, maybe as far as the equator. So that might change your desired hermitage direction XD

[hard meteor]

ooo

[blissful cipher]

Conversely, you're welcome to come along, it'll be open to all.

50km is a long trip by any standards, and will likely necessitate a second 'hub' down there to manage whatever happens.

[hard meteor]

well if we find a good spot down there, there would be no harmm in setting up a small place to live out there :3

[south cypress]

i just want a place to be able to beekeep without winter stopping it

[vocal holly]

thats gonna be one massive road to build 😄

[hard meteor]

I had kinda hoped we would have some of the Poi directions before mmounting our first major expedition but its not like we wont run several

[glossy condor]

I was thinking of setting up a township on the far side of the TP

[long comet]

You've got two options go south near the equator or go north through the north pole and go even further north to the equator on the other side

[hard meteor]

and ya finding more portal spots along the way would be nice, do portals only connect to the closest ones? it always seems the range a portal connects is not very far

[long comet]

Translocator randomly generate a linked one

[south cypress]

how am i to server mead if i can't get honey year around

[glossy condor]

Stockpile

[hard meteor]

i have connected 4 portals on my single player sso far, all seemm to connect wwithin like 2-4k range

[glossy condor]

Is mead actually in vanilla?

[hard meteor]

been hoping for a much bigger jump

[south cypress]

yes

[long comet]

It can be close like 500 block or it could go tens of thousands

[south cypress]

the wiki said so

[hard meteor]

oh so i just been unlucky then 😦

[south cypress]

just barrel full of honey

[long comet]

Exactly

[hard meteor]

this is where the boat stuff is a shame, maybe we will findd super large lakes tho

[south cypress]

and the wax will be useful for sealing the food in jars

[glossy condor]

And candles

[long comet]

And jam, and poultice

[hard meteor]

with boats we can put storage vessless on them to help preserve the food alittle longer for the long journey, and just carrying allot more supplies, i guess mounts can do the same thing once we start getting afew

[glossy condor]

And candles

[long comet]

And sturdy leather

[south cypress]

i just need huge beefarm

and ton of flowers

[glossy condor]

Its a shame bees don't give bonus produce yields in vanilla

[south cypress]

and also straw dummies for the angry bees

but i assume they are cheap to make right?

[hard meteor]

dummies very cheap to make

and once u get a full bassic set of armor they also dont hurt u anymore

https://mods.vintagestory.at/allclasses ah here was one of those class mods, tho some of the bonusses do seem very sstrong

[south cypress]

log armour as basic or metal armour as basic?

[blissful cipher]

Also, a second server, with oceans, would make for more interesting trading by default.

[long comet]

Leather is enough for sure

[hard meteor]

agreed, a shame we missed out on oceanss

[long comet]

Not sure about lamellar

[glossy condor]

Gambesons should be our basic armor goal imo

[south cypress]

but if i am to live in warmer biome i assume i get hotter too meaning armour might overheat me?

[long comet]

Overheating isn't a thing yet

[south cypress]

only freezing?

[blissful cipher]

There's a mod for that...

[long comet]

But your clothes will be subject to wear and tear

[blissful cipher]

frostbite and heatstroke, and the need to drink regularly, not just eat.

<_<

[hard meteor]

love my bassic leather body armor since no drawbacks, but it doessnt offer much protection

[glossy condor]

Dehydration mod, too

[hard meteor]

doesnt that mod also add huge kegss

[south cypress]

i feel it's cheaper to use straw dummies

[blissful cipher]

@ashen musk wasn't joking when she warned you all that if you push me towards mods, my 'losing is fun' instincts will take over.

[south cypress]

long as you won't make it too much like a souls game

[long comet]

Carnivorous bees

[blissful cipher]

One life only.

[long comet]

Uber Bears

[south cypress]

ubercharged bears!?

[blissful cipher]

Full haptic feedback. If you get stabbed in game, you pee yourself and pass out in real life.

[long comet]

Yes, invincible they are

[hard meteor]

vintage story, SAO style

[blissful cipher]

lol

[south cypress]

i do wonder if they gonna add VR to the vanilla VS

[glossy condor]

Does this mean when I trade i get some rusty gears irl?

[long comet]

You have to train kanpping for the first fe years

[wicked locust]

And tetanus

[glossy condor]

Wonderful, does an irl vaccine work do we need to invent modern medicine in game to deal with that?

[long comet]

And a crippling case of "The Rot™"

[south cypress]

at this point why not just live in middle of nowhere instead using a computer

[glossy condor]

Because then I can't watch Aavak

[south cypress]

anyways i'll just beekeep for the honey so i can make mead

[hard meteor]

was this the modd u were talking about Aavak? this was on my personal lists for my next single player already lol

https://mods.vintagestory.at/hydrateordiedrate

mostsly causes i alsso loved the little kegss :3

[south cypress]

kegs can hold booze?

[hard meteor]

with that mod it sounds like any consumable liquid

[glossy condor]

Is this the one that also adds peeing or is that the other drinking mod?

[hard meteor]

think thatss the other

[south cypress]

is your S key broken or do you like to talk like a snake?

[hard meteor]

its my keyboard, its gliching out, i got a new one coming in, finally bought a replacement

[south cypress]

was just wondering

[hard meteor]

i have to rewrite things often several times >.< and its been gettin worse

[heavy condor]

My First bit of Singleplayer Chiseling

[glossy condor]

I think it's very amusing Kali you should type like this forever

Make it your thing

[hard meteor]

.<

its mostly around the wasd keys, the others are not so bad thankfully

if u ever watch me strafing in game, u will probably see it stuttering abit a well

[wispy star]

mine gets it with t occasionally of all buttons

[hard meteor]

its just frusterating, keyboard is like 3 years old, my original logitech lasted a good 13 yearss

logitech g11 i miss you 😦

[glossy condor]

Such simple chiseling goes such a long way Niko, this looks great

[heavy condor]

I wanted to make a taller chimney, but uhh, i can def see why one o fthe mods people always recommend is chiselling tools mods

specifically any of the ones that allow copy pasting designs you made

[hard meteor]

working on a custom fence in my single player for my animals, i need like 170 peices all done similar, i doubt i would do these kinds of projectss without a chisel modd

it would be a much simplier design without, still doable but less intricate

[long comet]

it's a tall fence I assume

bears can scale 3 blocks

and other animals can jump over a block

[glossy condor]

QPs chisel tools is my favorite

[hard meteor]

yup its well 2 and partial block high, hope it will be enough

[long comet]

I think bears depending on variety could still scale it

[hard meteor]

it doess ssay on the wiki they can only jump 2 high, oh i really hope 2 and about 1/3 iss high enough

[heavy condor]

Whats the best storage container to place Raw food in?

[blissful cipher]

Clay storage vessel.

[heavy condor]

good to know i wasn't wrong to think that, thanks Aavak

[hard meteor]

oh seems i misread, guesss il be making it at least 3 high with nubs to hopefully stop emm

[long comet]

to elaborate on what Aavak wrote a clay vessel benefits grain and vegetables. What you really want for food storage is a cellar

a proper cellar should extend your food shelflife 4 times

[heavy condor]

I am making one rn, well my permanent one, but i wasn't sure if any of the other styles of storage would be better to have my raw foods in

[long comet]

vessels are best, depending on the amount of food you're storing a crate might be nice for meat storage

[heavy condor]

I just wisht he handbook would tell me if the max size is internal block size, or external block size (7x7x7 blocks in size with a door but is that internal? or external?)

[long comet]

the 7x7x7 is really the internal volume

[south cypress]

best is to assume internal is the needed

[hard meteor]

and chiseling 1 voxel beyond that is considered too big, much to my pain trying to get house bonuses

[south cypress]

chiseld blocks gives house bonus?

[hard meteor]

well they dont effect the bonus unless you go beyond the 14 size limit

its why my smithy for example has so many doors, tho i leave themm all open, its to seperate rooms so they can get the bonus

[long comet]

the inward facing face of the block must be almost solid to count as a wall

so if it's not it's counted as empty space for the purpose of room size

[hard meteor]

almost solid so you can do tiny windows if u want, but its very limited

tho i assume if we embede glass in, it may work to keep the solid effect

[south cypress]

cellar does not like natural light

[glossy condor]

Crates are also not bad, at least for grains. It's .20 for vessel in a cellar, and .25 for a crate. (This may be altered by mods)

[hard meteor]

the value actually is greatly effected by the tempature at your location

[south cypress]

so always winter areas are the best places for cellars XD

[long comet]

this 5% is actually an eternity for grain

[glossy condor]

Yeah it was lasting years

The veggies were also lasting so long in crates

[long comet]

if you live somewhere near enough you might not even benefit from cellars

[hard meteor]

my cellar when temp is at freezing or below

[long comet]

because what cellars do is take 5C or ambient temp whichever is lower for purpose of spoilage

[long comet]

that's the cellar's doing not the crates really, crates have no inherent bonus for food

and the bonus from the storage vessel is multiplicative with the cellar one's

[south cypress]

there is brining the food right in vinegar

[long comet]

pickling in brine, no vinegar exists I'm aware of

[south cypress]

ah so i confused with terrafirmacraft

do you get brine by bucketing sea water or is all water just water?

[long comet]

So the numbers work out like this
Storage vessels give a shelf-life multiplier of 4/3 for vegetables and 2 for grain
a cellar gives a 4x multiplier to everything
so together it's 16/3 or 5,(3) bonus for veg and 8x bonus for grain for storage vessel in a good cellar

with better shelf-life if ambient temp is below 5C

[long comet]

brine is water and table salt in 2:1 ratio

in a barrel

and you can pickle 50 veggies with 50L of brine

though pickling has a downside

which is that pickled food no longer recieves a nutrition bonus from cooking

only the hunger stopping bonus remains for pickled food meals

[south cypress]

i am sure pickled food is best where winter lasts long

[long comet]

yes, it makes veggies last through winter without having to seal it in crocks

[south cypress]

speacially when other seasons lasts shorter for bees to give the wax needed for sealing

[hard meteor]

makes me really wanna up the season length on my next playthrough

among a bunch of other reasons, but would love more of a reason to stockpile food

[long comet]

if it's a challenge with food you want decreasing global temps would be a better choice I would think

ah wait crop growth scales with month length too doesn't it?

[hard meteor]

oh does it?

[south cypress]

IDK

[hard meteor]

would like a chance to actually grow flax without it getting heat stunted, i imagin less of an issue with good soil but both starts, my flax has had it rough

[south cypress]

if it does then i hope yield is higher

[long comet]

wiki lists crop growth time in months and adds time in days with an asterix

[hard meteor]

more things to test in time then ^-^

[south cypress]

then again longer months making the crops grow slower might make the food need even higher than normal

[long comet]

exactly

just checked

even vanilla tooltips change to match the increase in days in month

turnips grow 1 in game month

and it's 30 days with 30 day months

[south cypress]

so 60 day months XD

[long comet]

so increasing days in month does increase the need for food preservation

[hard meteor]

fine by me then, also gives more time to find seeds to get a good farm yield that first year

always feel like im rushing those first few months

dont know why my flax kept getting heat damaged, says they heat resistant up to 40, certainly was not that hot in the fall when i was trying to grow them

[south cypress]

also rotted food is ok as you can seal 64 in a barrel order to get compost

[hard meteor]

i usually get most of my rot from berry mush

but definitly agree, compost is so valuable, being espically if u can find some high quality soil then turn that into 2 terra perta

[south cypress]

sylvite needs to be found as ground gives potash that gives potassium to the soil helps for flax

[long comet]

wait a sec, we have a salt pillar right?

[hard meteor]

sadly in my current world have yet to find any sylvite

[long comet]

and salt pillar means sylvite

and sylivte means faster flax harvest

and faster flax harvest is great

[hard meteor]

also doesnt potash also bring up the total potentail K that a soil can hold?

[long comet]

faster and cheaper

[long comet]

exactly my point

[south cypress]

does it make faster or does it give more yeld

[long comet]

faster, higher base potassium percent

means faster growth and faster nutrient rebound

[wispy star]

i had no idea that the letter nutrients corresponded to actual minerals

thats so cool

[hard meteor]

i think potash is the only fertilizer that permanently buffs the soil, so we dont even want to waste the best soils for plantss that can be buffed with potash

[long comet]

N-Nitrogen, K-Potassium,P-Phosphorus

[wispy star]

woaw

[hard meteor]

yup same for irl farming :3

[south cypress]

what is max in medium soil

[hard meteor]

well mediums resting nutriants is 50% iirc

[long comet]

50% base+ possible 15%K from sylvite

[south cypress]

yeah potash is only to rise the %

[hard meteor]

oh doess it cap at a +15% bonuss to the base?

[long comet]

also adds 60% K fertilizer

[long comet]

yeah one piece is enough to raise the cap

it also visually increases the block quality

[south cypress]

i mean you can farm some rot to make compost which is used to make terra preta which has 80%

[long comet]

and then sylvite means base 95% potassium nutrient rebound

[hard meteor]

yup, then buff that with ssylvite to get 95% resting quality

[south cypress]

aka even faster flax

[hard meteor]

but we need ALLOT of rot for that, 1 barrel is enough to make 1 soil, unless we find high quality soil

[long comet]

didn't we have a stack of the high quality soil?

[hard meteor]

oh that im not sure, if we do i hope we didnt place it down

should be saved to make terra

[south cypress]

high soil has 65%

you gfet more terra using the high soil in crafting it seems

[hard meteor]

but if we have a huge amount of K fertilizer, at least we can use it to cap our flax growth on medium soil

yup, without it, u only make 1 terra per 16 fertilizer

[south cypress]

charcoal is easy and bonemeal is also easy

[hard meteor]

and once u place and hoe soil, you cant pick it back up

[south cypress]

yeah i heard so that means you need to be 100% sure you put the terra in right place

[hard meteor]

ya the biggest limiting factor is the fertilizer, im sure for our 2nd year we will have allot more now we have a huge winery

[south cypress]

does the soil effect the berry bushes?

[long comet]

nope

[south cypress]

shame

[hard meteor]

does it effect fruit trees?

[long comet]

trees neither

[south cypress]

shame

[long comet]

all trees just have their growing season

[hard meteor]

oh so dont waste it on mmy orchard, got it lol

[south cypress]

only crops

[long comet]

so it's good to even have several types of apple trees

as all of those flower and fruit at different times

[hard meteor]

excited for my 2nd year on my single player to finally get proper use of all the berry bushess i collected

i regret not collecting the bushess allot more aggresssivly now

same with cat tail roots

[heavy condor]

O_o

My first vein of iron is bountiful, and is a LOT

Four full stacks fo nuggets, from one stack of chunks

[glossy condor]

Yea, iron deposits are huge

[knotty helm]

you say that like i don't have i think over a stack of compost already, with much more on the way 🙂

...actually, i think i have some ~220 coming in when spring starts from processing the dry berry mush from first wine making 😄

[dawn moss]

The amount of rot we have should be enough for like 64 blocks of terra praeta once it's all said and done

[knotty helm]

especially since, come spring, i recon we will hardly be able to process all the berries if they get their weekly harvest, leading to more rot, leading to even more compost

that being said, since currently the wine-cellar is quite full, we'll probably be eating a lot of berry pies to get out hunger reserves up

i think a pie in a basement lasts like ~4 weeks or so?

[heavy condor]

I can see why people rush for a Helve Hammer now

[glossy condor]

The first couple of blooms are fun

[heavy condor]

first couple are, but after that

[hard meteor]

that and plates -.-

[lusty otter]

soo, i think i've learned some basics, did charcoal, did a bit of smelting, id a bit of panning, did some pottery, have a bronze pickaxe and ahmmer... i feel like this is a good point to put it down, and join ya'll on saturday

still plenty to explore and learn, and building something actually nice looking too 🙂

[south coral]

want to help me make a roof, by putting clay into shingle shapes and then looking at a fire for half a day?

[lusty otter]

sounds riveting :p

[long comet]

What would be the firewatching in this case?

[south coral]

Mmmmhm. And, apparently, rarely, blooms can not have enough voxels, and helve hammers can supposedly create more 😅

[south coral]

the pit kilns xD

although! We have a beehive kiln now, right?

how many shingles can that fire at once? 😅

[long comet]

Yes we do

[long comet]

How many fit in like 11 cubic meters?

[south coral]

good question! Can it fire a full stack at once?

[long comet]

Wait no there,s more volume

[south coral]

because pit kilns can only do 36 at a time 😅

[long comet]

You can stack them up to the roof

So that's like 72*30?

For 30 blocks of 72 shingles

Don't remeber how many fit in a block

But it's a lot

I really need more sleep seeing I thought for a second 3 cubed was 9

[south coral]

so, yes, you can fill the entire block with shingles?

[long comet]

Yes

And the entire volume of the beehive kiln

Same goes for bricks

[south coral]

I see

[long comet]

No need for additional grates like you need for storage vessels to fit more than 9

[south coral]

wait, you can fire 48 shingles per pit kiln? Huh. One more layer than I thought

what's the inside volume of the kiln?

[long comet]

Like 3 cubed and some more

As far as i remember

27 blocks

3 cubed

[south coral]

soooo, yea

you can fire full stacks, indeed

so 24 bricks per block

aaaand 192 shingles

[long comet]

So what colour will ut be

[south coral]

so, basically, one full load of shingles should be able to roof a house in it's entirely, and maybe more

red

I already started with red shingles from a pit kiln

and I intend to stick with it

although the black shingles also look kinda nice - slate but not slate

[long comet]

Can you chisel roofing?

[south coral]

but no, my roof is red xD

no

but there are shingle blocks

that said, just use roofing pls .-.

[long comet]

Shame could add some colour accents this way

[south coral]

don't want wide-scale chiselling dragging FPS down for peeps

[south cypress]

i want slate roofs for my meadery when a place is found for year round beekeeping

[south coral]

mmm, nice :D

We'll note when slate is found then?

[long comet]

Wasn't it already?

[south coral]

though the beehive kiln does make black, grey and white shingles possible! :D

was it?

I have no memory of this xD

[long comet]

Ah wait that was someone mentioning it on vc on monday

[south coral]

Also! Beehive kiln allows for orange, tan and brown brickwork

[south cypress]

i think Aavak says about slate in the stream when i asked about slate

[south coral]

as well as black, gray and cream, rather than just gray

[long comet]

Cream was the one i used

[south coral]

and clinkers!

but they are more expensive

[long comet]

Are there roof clinkers?

[south coral]

I may want a few of that though, to replace my cobblestone... :D

alas, no

[long comet]

The vitrousness would be so nice though

Might be part of 1.21

[south coral]

it would be on blue shingles, but they just burn into black in both those stages

so no roof clinkers yet

but that should be easy to add, yea

[long comet]

The art assets for most of the fired pottery seems to have been done as evidenced by a dev screen i posted earlier

[south coral]

neat!

I really mean more in the sense of "the code for this is clearly there already, it just points at the same colour right now"

[long comet]

So colourful storage vessel are just waiting for release

[south coral]

so adding clinker roofing would be as simple as making the art assets

[ashen musk]

this lady, wanting all the colors 😋

[south coral]

(which is not simple, I know)

(I just mean that there would be no work beyond the art assets 😅 )

[long comet]

Oh, yeah devs seem to be really keen on making adaptable code as seen from suevite speloethems

[ashen musk]

needs ECO color mixing

[south coral]

Always good practice

makes things more moddable - and more moddable systems also mean you can add more on a whim, with less work

it's why I adore modularity in my code :D

[heavy condor]

Can Charcoal Pits have Glass to se einside them?

[long comet]

Yeo

[south coral]

tmk, they just need to be solid, yea

I wonder...

lemme test a thing

[long comet]

Have seen screenshots of 11 cubed glass charcoal pits

[long comet]

Also a little tip, the best tool to dig up charcoal piles is a shovel

As charcoal layers count as soil for some reason

[heavy condor]

I really need to find out what setting is cuasing my singleplayer lag spikes

[long comet]

Do they occur when turning around, or maybe at certain in game times?

[heavy condor]

Moving in general, but not specific in game times why?

[long comet]

Could be related to koading chunks then

[heavy condor]

Chunk upload Rate limiter for the setting?

[south coral]

So, not only can they, it seems like they don't care at all, as long as it's non-flammable (and presumably solid)
You can use chiselled blocks, and both iron doors and trap doors for it if you want

which does mean you can just integrate one of them into a built to be used without ever mining a non-charcoal block!

[heavy condor]

Good to know, cause i can't ever tell from audio on if my charocal is done o rnot

[south coral]

you can tell when it stops smoking :D

[heavy condor]

so having glass to se einside would be helpful

[long comet]

Look at the smoke particles coming from the top

I think the tooltip of the capping block changes too? But not sure about that

[heavy condor]

for whatever reason sometimes the smoke doesn't show up at all

[south coral]

no idea, the campfire is what becomes the charcoal pit block for me

but the hatch on top can make it all but flush with the floor, which is nice

if the particles really don't show, then glass will be it, yea

or the little window on the iron door xD

[long comet]

Iron is expensive

[south coral]

that is a late game option, yea

[long comet]

Quartz glass would be the early option

[south coral]

I do wonder if the game checks the status of the trap door and door...

or if you can just leave those open...

[long comet]

By trap door you mean the iron hatch right?

[heavy condor]

The Handbook says it has to be closed

and a 2x3x2 charcoal pit gave me a stack and 17 pieces of charcoal

[south coral]

nono, trap door on top

the hatch only goes sideways

the idea being to not need to place and mine a block to set it up

[long comet]

aren't trap doors wood?

[south coral]

once again a thing for late game xD

there is iron trap doors

the iron hatch is a separate block

[long comet]

since when?

[south coral]

shrug

[long comet]

why didn't I know?

[south coral]

there is, don't know since when 😅

[ashen musk]

https://clan.akamai.steamstatic.com/images/25097638/cbf86f882c08c6ee43c60b0605e858455d79e3c3.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQv2wV8BESBmmmbOeKuNRUOYLfraeLArJoBnw&s
Found the mixing color fun for Eco 😄
would be awesome to have similar to this :3

[south coral]

ooh, yea, that would be really cool <3

actual paint would also be cool xD

[heavy condor]

hmmm, seems like Pines are going to be the most annoying thing to grow (from the local tree groups) in my lumberyard on the server

[ashen musk]

Because of leaf gathering? Or something else?

[heavy condor]

the leafs yeah

too spread out to easily get seeds from em

[south coral]

and they are super tall, yea

[south cypress]

maybe leafein knows a good way XD

[south coral]

you were the one who fenced off the area, right?

I mean...

bring ladders xD

[south coral]

The one south of the hills, I mean. Just west of the Inn?

We have some tree seeds there, too, which you can take. South side door goes straight into storage, should be the bottom left chest?

[heavy condor]

Close to there yeah, im just one of many down there

[south coral]

Right, I mean that huge fenced-in area 😅

[heavy condor]

the huge one then yeah

[long comet]

rope ladders

[south coral]

we thought it might be for animal husbandry (which, tbf, is not a bad idea for dual-use)

[long comet]

the answer is rope ladders

[south coral]

ooo

[heavy condor]

aren't those annoying to craft?

[south coral]

do you want/need help with making a sawmill/logger's lodge?

I am having ideas for no particular reason xD

[long comet]

only somewhat, but once you make them you can just pick them up after use

[south coral]

but will hold my horses if you prefer to do it yourself

[south cypress]

FIN:EXE stoped working

[long comet]

you just have to walk around a maple forest those have massive amounts of vines

[heavy condor]

I got a few ideas already, may need help with gathering some things to make it happen tho

[south coral]

I like building, less the gathering 😅
But will keep that in mind, and if I have extras after the Inn is done, I am more than happy to share

and I will xD

[heavy condor]

I Mean, I might need help with the chiselling portion/choosing what blocks to use

[south coral]

colour palletes >:D

we actually have a number of different wood types, which is neat

rocks, too, though the ones we have available in large amounts are... very orange

and green

[long comet]

I'm willing to go around collecting suevite if need be

[blissful cipher]

Which is fortunate, as green and red are complimentary colours (yes, yes, it's orange not red, but it's close enough. If you squint. And look the other way)

[heavy condor]

What is the names of the stone types in question?, Peridiotie i tihnk is the green one?

[long comet]

bauxite, claystone and periodite

[south coral]

we also have some other ones down there

[heavy condor]

this would be the setup then for the basics

[south coral]

I think we had a tiny bit of chert?

but yea, the primary rock is claystone

[heavy condor]

sadly for my plans i need a lot of cobbled stuff

[south coral]

but. Bricks. We can use bricks, too

[long comet]

the dark grey of suevite will fit everywhere too

it's also worth looking into fanned cobble

[heavy condor]

Maybe after i figure out how to do the rotations without a wrench/whatever rotates them

[long comet]

I'm afraid there's no easy way of rotation without a wrench

though a wrench is just a single bar of metal

[heavy condor]

Note to self, don't build with support beams aesthetically

[long comet]

what do you mean? it's just torture

[inner badger]

heehhe

[long comet]

nothing too too bad

[south coral]

tbh, fanned cobble kinda looks too much like garden paving to me to consider it as a wall material xD

and support beams are easy! :D

you just click two spots! :D

[inner badger]

yea I thnk thats what its meant for the fanned cobble

but so pretty

tho I could see it like an accent material against a decorative mantle or pillar for example

[long comet]

#1353169187173961778 message
exibit 1.
This took me HOURS just to place the beams

[heavy condor]

ouch, welp there goes that plan i had for one of the blocks ot use

Block in question is Claystone Dry Stone

[inner badger]

to be fair that's a good stone too

[heavy condor]

Difficult to make tho

unless theres an easy way to quarry whole blocks of stone

[long comet]

there is a way

you can use a staggered chess pattern

[heavy condor]

yes but we have cave ins to worry about as well

Think ive figured out my Basic Building pallete for the Sawmill (Purely aesthetically), and also probably the house im gonna make

Oak, Birch, and Claystone, with a few others thrown in here and there

and rope ladders definitely helped

[south coral]

so, the big saw blade at the mill is obviously where we have the rack with the saws

[long comet]

The staggered checkerboard pattern from regular mining also works with cave-ins, but you need to stagger it not only in the x or z coordinate but y too

[south coral]

I would really enjoy a mechanical way to turn logs into planks in an automated fashion...
Maybe a future thing :D

[ashen musk]

after the steel age

[south cypress]

don't you need special bricks for steel

[long comet]

steam power is on the roadmap

could also come with waterwheels

you need pretty steady power to saw wood

[south cypress]

is flowing rives a thing if not maybe if they add waterwheels

[long comet]

that's being figured out from what I know

a way to make proper flowing rivers

but it needs a proper overhaul of worldgen

[heavy condor]

Water wheels are on the roadmap, same with river generation

[south cypress]

i assume both waterwheels and rivers will be added sametime

[long comet]

most likely

[heavy condor]

and about 12 hours after i built it, finally finished my roof

[vocal holly]

just wait till dave knocks 🙂

[long comet]

oh, come on Dave the Thunderlord just wants to see a friend

[tropic creek]

i just got vinage story but after download, it crashes on start up?? ive added it to allowed apps on my anti virus but it still crashes on start up, does someone know how to fix this? game version 1.20.7

[long comet]

any error message?

[tropic creek]

kinda, i get a white popup with a bunch of text i dont understand

trying a reinstall with antivirus completey off

[long comet]

generally a very bad idea

[vocal holly]

Can you grab a screen shot of the error?

[long comet]

for installing pretty much anything

[vocal holly]

welp, thats a bad idea 9/10 times

[tropic creek]

well the installer said if you keep getting crash issues then to install with anti virus off as sometimes it will stop just a single file, ive dont it and still crashed

[vocal holly]

might be easy to redownload

[tropic creek]

ive done a reinstall 3 times and still nothing, just same error

[heavy condor]

Where is it installing?

[ashen musk]

Did you turn your pc off and on again

[vocal holly]

IT helpdesk 101 😄

[tropic creek]

where ever it defaults to

[heavy condor]

ah, you may want to change where its installing to see if that works

[tropic creek]

Just doing a restart, I think it's an issue with the framework software that it installed

[long comet]

I've look on the web and it might be an issue either with your monitor settings is you're using a multimonitor setup or graphics drivers

[vocal holly]

could that be the nividas latest driver bug?

[glossy condor]

-# did you try alt+f4

[tropic creek]

I am using 2 monitors, also windows decided to update

[vocal holly]

Can we clear some bits up:
What version did you download and install Linux or windows
Did you download the same one for your OS (we know you use windows now :))

[tropic creek]

Love to have that option, but it won't load in the first place XD

[long comet]

you could try unplugging one of them

and see if the issue persists

[glossy condor]

Im all out of options then mate, sorry

[tropic creek]

1.20.7 and installed from the link on the website It directed me after registration

[long comet]

I'm going by this issue report btw
https://github.com/anegostudios/VintageStory-Issues/issues/4334

[vocal holly]

it's likely the right version then 🙂
are you using the latest NVIDIA drivers?
If so you might need to downgrade them as they have been problematic recently.

but try these first 🙂
Outside of that you could test it with only one screen plugged in and or vsync disabled.

[tropic creek]

I have AMD graphics card and upon reset after windows update saying the driver is no longer correct

[vocal holly]

AMD has better drivers atm 🙂

With that error you might want to reinstall the driver, just to rule it out :/

[tropic creek]

Yea gotta find what my graphics card actually is now

[long comet]

so the single monitor test didn't resolve the issue I take?

[tropic creek]

Downloading the windows runtime thing from link on website instead of software install add on

Taking a lot longer install this time so fingers crossed

[vocal holly]

completly forgot to ask about that run time 😄

I'm on Linux so there are different hoops to jump though 😄

[tropic creek]

Well that install didn't work now checking graphics drivers

[vocal holly]

the .net 7 runtime for Windows is required before install as far as i know

[tropic creek]

It's dected something and is downloading, thx amd auto detect and download

[long comet]

that doesn't seem to be the issue here right?
It mentions NativeWindows settings and Window size right?

[vocal holly]

it might be I'm not fully read up on the windows side of stuff, like it could be but i can't be 100% sure

[heavy condor]

About how long after the warning for a temporal storm happen, will it happen?

[knotty helm]

first warning? about half an ingame day i wanna say, second warning was like 90 seconds

[heavy condor]

damn, I def need to figure out a good Killbox

doesn't help i didn't have any healing either

[tropic creek]

i have sent a support ticket about it, i cant figure out how to get it to work at all

bummer, was going to play with friends tomorrow for my b day, guess that aint happening

[heavy condor]

i assume you tried installing it to a different spot then the default?

[tropic creek]

yes it didnt change a thing

[frigid matrix]

did you try just using one monitor?

[vocal holly]

that was tried i think, it was mentioned quite a few time too. :0

[south cypress]

is clay normally hard to find?

[long comet]

It can blend in on flatlands

I'd suggest looking on slightly hilly terrain

To see the sides of blocks

[south cypress]

i am somewhat hilly area

[vocal holly]

the first time i went looking i missed so much clay 😂 now i have far too much of it

[south cypress]

i mean i did find two areas with peat

[long comet]

Yeah you learn to spot it as you go

Colour map can allow you to see how the thing looks though

[south cypress]

also the amount of bushes aka leaves do not help

[vocal holly]

im on survival and i have no map 😄

[south cypress]

found red clay so heading back home to but the other stuff away

[south cypress]

found red clay went home on the way meet some wolfs tried to rungot killed got items back went home

went hunting found a closer place with red clay

[lusty otter]

so other than temp, how good is charcoal for burning if youre just using it for lgihtsource? compared to burning raw logs

like does it actually last longer than regular wood?

(and if yes, does it last enough longer to be worth it)

[heavy condor]

IMO Its not worth it to use Charcoal for lightsource reasons, takes too long to make, as well as too long to collect the resources needed to make it, save charcoal for smithing stuff

use things like oil lamps, lanterns, or even torches for lightsources

[lusty otter]

yeah, was purely asking from the perspective of whether charocal burns 4x longer or more than raw logs

[long comet]

The firewood used in the charcoal pit would have last you longer than the charcoal made from it

[lusty otter]

gotcha, that's what i was curious about

torches better for light than campfire?

[long comet]

Yeah torches would be better

It's a stick and 2 grass for 48 hours of light

[lusty otter]

yeah that's fair

whereas fueling a firepit is... a lot

[long comet]

And you can hold a stack of torches and light them off one lit one

[heavy condor]

and if you want a long term lighting, Lanterns or oil lamps, altho lanterns are expensive (requiring metal plates, and candles), and oil lamps are tedious due to needing bowls, and fat

[lusty otter]

ah yeah not far enough into the game to use metal for anything... i pretty mcuh stopped when i had made a brozne pic and hammer

[long comet]

And if you go out spelunking an aged torch holder will keep a torch from burning out

Great for kitchens and forges

[lusty otter]

(i found tin before i figured out how to smlet stuff)

[heavy condor]

Just aged Torch holders? I thought it was any torch holder

[long comet]

Aged ones are an early game thing

The brass ones can be expensive to make

[heavy condor]

fair

[long comet]

And they require an anvil

At least they don't need glue

[heavy condor]

i know i haven't gotten to the brass age yet, ive stuck to oil lamps mostly

and haven't found any aged torch holders yet

also, ooooo Ebony looks pretty

[long comet]

They're found in underground ruins or basements of some surface ones

[heavy condor]

yeah must just be unlucky then, cause i haven't found any

[long comet]

Expensive and great utility wise

Makes larger crates and sturdier wooden shields

[heavy condor]

wait, what material its made from affects the size of the crates? Good to know

[long comet]

Crates made with most woods will have 20 stacks of capacity ebony ones have 25

Purpleheart wood also has 25 stacks of storage

While aged crates are inferior at 16 same capacity as a chest

But you can get a ton of them early game

[long comet]

It's just that the drop rate of these trees' seeds is low enough for it to be seed negative on average so you have to rely on buying the seeds from NPC traders

But they are one of the best looking ones

[heavy condor]

That sucks

[long comet]

Redwood too with it's slightly pink hue, but it has a high wood yield in comparison

Seed negative too

Personally i really like walnut and larch

Walnut is very dark mimicking aged wood and larch is pretty much white

[heavy condor]

haven't seen larch

[long comet]

Larch is plentiful in the north

It likes very cold temperatures

[heavy condor]

but so far of the wood types i have seen, im leaning towards Oak and birch as my most likely to be used wood types

for building

with ebony being an accent block

[long comet]

Then it seems you will have to journey south

Ebony grows in small groves of a few trees there

[heavy condor]

hmmm, i found a good design to somewhat automate animal seperation for breeding reasons

Wish i could try it out in my singleplayer game, but well, i ain't got any animals near me for some reason, other then wolves

[inner badger]

I do want to plan to make a journey southward for tree seeds next time we get in

[blissful cipher]

yeah, seems a lot of plans are convergin on that, so I was planning to make a proper expedition south/south-east.

Lots of food and 'travel' supplies, with a goal of setting up a new outpost 30~50km away

[heavy condor]

Good to know, would love to populate my lumberyard with more then Maple, Pine, Birch, and Oaks.

[south cypress]

only need to be able to bee-keep year around for that sweet sweet honey and wax for people whom want candels or seal food

[hard meteor]

we can also do deep underground bee farms, just dont wanna linger at that depth, also depends on how far north our town is for the bees to stay happy all year round

[south cypress]

i assume i need 60 copper nuggets so i can make first pickaxe, propick and hammer

[long comet]

If you have your places where you found the surface copper bits a propick might not be needed yet

as those places will always have a shallow copper vein underneath

[hard meteor]

also means be sure to mark any surface bits u find to come back to later

[south cypress]

have not seen any on my world but i have not looked that well with all "bushes"

[long comet]

this is true for all {Insert mineral} in {Insert Host Rock}

you might even find Native Silver in Quartz

[south cypress]

i build in area where there is a to of limestone and limesand

[long comet]

hmm, then look for green dots in your lime stones

lime has malachite

which is a green copper ore

not native

but can be used as a green pigment for writing

so you're more likely to find malachite bits in limestone

the surface vein thing applies too

[south cypress]

well i need a pick and a hammer first

[long comet]

collecting the malachite bits for the pick is useful too

[hard meteor]

at least pan sifting doesnt take too long to get the initial copper

my starting home i usually park over a water block so i can pan search through the nights

[south cypress]

already got 20 nuggets

[hard meteor]

oh nice, not far off then

i also usually find it allot easier to search for surface bits in flat dry land, like sandy or gravel areas with less foliage

tho you would be surprised how common the surface bits really are and just miss em

when winter hit my area and snow covered, it really highlights all the stuff u missed on the ground XD

[south cypress]

well i am not in a flat lands more a hilly lands with so much leave bushes that temp me to burn it all for visibility

[long comet]

You could try the limesand area

the sand might be blinding but the green tint of malachite should be easier to spot

[hard meteor]

also dont forget you will need a source of coal for smelting the copper, i always seem to forget that till last, thankfully usually find brown coal for the first batch

[south cypress]

i have seen few veins of brown coal

might be coal but i doubt

[hard meteor]

mmay be some surface bits around those u can pick up to get started as well once u get ur copper, though making charcoal doesnt take too long

[south cypress]

i assume peat is not hot enough

[hard meteor]

nope

to melt copper u need 1087c

1084*

[long comet]

might save some coal if you preheat using it though

[hard meteor]

theres no way to change the caps on a pulverizer without destroying it is there?

[long comet]

I don't remember

I think just right clicking with new caps worked

[hard meteor]

yup that did it ^-^

[hexed bane]

If anyone wants to update to the 1.20.8 unstable version, be aware that there's currently a bug that makes rift activity always "very high" and causes drifters to spawn even inside well-lit rooms

[south cypress]

well i found one gold nugget

[long comet]

a floor one?

[south cypress]

panning one

[long comet]

You'll need a silver nugget from bony soil to make bronze out of it

or find a floor silver nugget

[hard meteor]

to make a single item of black bronze (so 100 units) u need 2 gold nuggets and 2 silver, to go with your 16 copper

silver and gold go alittle further if u can do more bulk tho to hit that 8% min of both

gotta love traders, just spent 80 on fabric, got myself another 3 sets of sails :3 wind power here we gooo

[south cypress]

found a candle in bony soil panning

[hard meteor]

niiice!

also make sure to keep any gems u find in that soil, if u can find a trader that takes em can help allot

not sure how you are with throwing stuff out, im a pack rat andd usually save everything for potential use >.>

[south cypress]

went to look for the coal and maybe some surface ores and found a single piece of malakite and also found a loose native copper too

[hard meteor]

thats a really good start then, just make sure your marking those spots to come back to once you get your pickaxe

[south cypress]

what ore does cherts stone have if any?

[hard meteor]

if you look at it and hit Shift H, it will bring it up in game showing the info iirc

u can see what ores spawn in it

[wispy star]

whats the benefit of having the apiaries so deep? wouldnt it be nice to just have a little building for them?

[hard meteor]

the advantage is a more stable tempature so they function during winter

i have a small apiary down at like elevation 4, its -20c at sea level, but my bees happily thrive at the low depth, just gotta provide them with flowers and light

[wispy star]

ahh i see

[hard meteor]

i much prefer a surface apiary, but this is mostly something i do over winter to get me by, i kinda want to eventually make a underground garden with some little water falls, trees and flowers for my bees when kept in winter

anyone know if making dough is a good way to get grain to rot to get rot? i have such a surplus and was wondering if it was worth doing so to get a better stock of rot

[long comet]

I could check that quickly for you using creative

[hard meteor]

if its not too much trouble that would be amazing

[long comet]

you want the ratio of grain to rot right?

[hard meteor]

yup, and seeing if its worth making into dough, since at least that mmakes it rot allot faster

[hexed bane]

Bees also benefit from greenhouses

Maybe you could try building the skeps through the TL, it should be a bit warmer there

[hard meteor]

not sure what temp bees need to work, my deep underground is typically around 0-1c but they seem to be working fine

[hexed bane]

Also it's possible that we'll find more TLs, they're not that rare

[hexed bane]

I think they just need above 0

[long comet]

The data is as follows for spelt:
1 grain to 1 flour to 1 dough to 1 bread
32 grain to 8 rot
32 flour to 8 rot
32 dough to 32 rot
32 part baked bread to 32 rot
32 bread to 32 rot
32 charred bread to 32 rot

additional information charred bread unlike other bread types stacks to 48 instead of 32 as other breads do

[hard meteor]

that is some great info, Thanks Jemtamird

looks like il be making allot of my excess grain into dough then 😄

[long comet]

will check a less nutritious grain like flax now

result remain the same for flax

[hard meteor]

oh thats actually really good then, in theory we can just turn the excess low nutriant grains into rot first then

on my single player im sitting on so much grain right now, this will be very helpful ^^

[south cypress]

well i got copper for the pickaxe propick and hammer plus still about 90 left

[long comet]

what's maddening is that pie rots to a single piece of rot

[hard meteor]

lol so clearly not really balanced there

sounds like your well into the copper age then Suomi 😄

[long comet]

also you get 20% more rot from juicing berries first it seems

[hard meteor]

so the pulp actually gives more rot then you would have got with the berries?

[long comet]

wait no that's not how an increase works it's 25% bonus

[hard meteor]

what is it, 32 berries to 10 pulp + juice?

[long comet]

32 berries to 8 rot
10 pulp to 10 rot

plus 10 liters of juice

which turns to 5 rot

[hard meteor]

oh so definitly worth doing that then rather then letting berries spoil

letting juice rot rather then turning into wine tho, blasphemy!

[long comet]

so a 25% increase from pulp alone

will check wine now

[south cypress]

so gaining rot for compost plus juice for wine nice

[hard meteor]

if i knew this at the start of my playthrough i would have been juicing so much more

getting rot early, espically if u can find afew peices of high fert soil can make a massive ddifference for growing

[south cypress]

maybe next world you will do better

[hard meteor]

at least its been a great learning experence ^-^

[long comet]

the numbers for wine remain unchanged

but wine can be made into brandy which has infinite shelf life

[hard meteor]

ya i cant imagin il let my juice rot, but really nice to know for sure the conversion from berry rot to mulch rot

my wine is my emergency food stock, slowly movin the barrels to a deep cellar that i fill

another thing i wish i knew was just making good fur rather then rushing for leather so early, leather is great for the backpacks and armor, but fur is really cheap and great for winter clothing

fur and rawhide

[south cypress]

so i neen an anvil to make an saw

[hard meteor]

yup

thats the next big hurdle of the copper age, with your copper deposits you found you hopefully have plenty if u mine those out, may need to use prospecter pick to narrow down left over bits

[south cypress]

i found few

[long comet]

I found a new labour, initial investment and fuel intensive way of maximising your rot yield from vegetables, increasing it sixfold compared to putting it away

that is making soup with 1 water and 1 vegetable and letting it rot in a bowl

[hard meteor]

o.O how much rot does that give

[long comet]

3 per bowl

[hard meteor]

oh wow

[long comet]

compared to 0.5 from a vegetable

[hard meteor]

does it give better returns if u add more veggies

or does it lose effeciency

[long comet]

the number doesn't matter

it's 3 per full bowl

guess making porrdige with 2 grain would also give you 3 rot

but it's extremely fuel intensive to do that

[hard meteor]

i guess if u reallly want the rot theres that way then, at least goodd to know its an option

[long comet]

actually testing seems inconclusive yet

soup just becomes nutritionless?

[hard meteor]

think my main source will be dough for awhile tho, that and berry mulch

[long comet]

ok soup doesn't work stew work though

yeah most people will elect to just store vegetables outside to make them rot

[hard meteor]

cant belive how unlucky i been finding any high fert soil in my single player tho, i even put in a mod that made them have particals in the wild, still no luck

that and metoric iron, i really wanna get better at spotting those

[errant surge]

how far south have you gone? cause according to the VS wiki it's more likely to spawn in warm and rainy biomes

[hard meteor]

that may be the problem, i have not gone too far south on my world yet, maybe 5k south so far

i keep hunting around medium fertility areas

[errant surge]

as for the meteoric iron, just look for any perfect circles and dig a couple of blocks as it doesn't always have bits on the ground

[hard meteor]

is it always a perfect circle then? i have dug into every little pit i have seen so far with no luck, but have not really seen a perfect circle one yet

i imagein its like 5x5, with the corners out?

[long comet]

It's a perfect circle depression in an area

[errant surge]

in the place I made my home in SP there were 2 of those nearby, one with 2 bits on the surface and just impact rock down below, the other was just a circle but has a block of meteoric iron right where I dug

[long comet]

though the radius can be small

[south cypress]

i asked a magic 8 ball (will we find a warm place to settle?) and awnser was very doubtful 😦

[hard meteor]

so wouldd be like this size, or alittle bigger then, and always as perfect circle as can be?

[long comet]

here's an example

there's suevite here too

a surface rock of it

so you can also find that

[hard meteor]

oh okay also i see its not necessarlyy perfect then

[long comet]

but still suspicious

but this is an example on completely flat terrain

[hard meteor]

right i can imagin it can be allot harder to spot with hilly

and this is the kindd of terrain i have all over around me, with these pits

[errant surge]

just imagine all the rock covered by one layer of soil, but yeah, just those two bits and some impact rock

the other, nothing on the surface, but then I dug out that 3x3 and the lone piece of soil under it and behold a block of meteor iron

[hard meteor]

it really does seem like its always that 5x5 circle

probably just needd to go into ddiferent biomes to see if i can find much flatter terrain to look

[long comet]

something like that too

you can also try spotting them from the map level

you can see a circle here

[hard meteor]

could that be one?

[long comet]

could be

[errant surge]

possibly

[hard meteor]

w00t!

[long comet]

you can try quarrying the meteoric iron blocks before you get an iron pickaxe and be able to crack them open the moment you forge one

[errant surge]

they drop if you remove all the surrounding blocks?

[long comet]

yes

same as any other rock

[hard meteor]

oh wow its not like nuggets, so i got 35 peices that one, so 17 ingots!?

[long comet]

and that's how I got us more than 96 meteorite iron ingots on the server. Seems easy doesn't it?

[hard meteor]

at least in these types of regions, can be really hard to spot in more grassy terrain

i guess thats where the non colored map eally helps

[long comet]

Oh, remember suevite is a host rock for diamonds too

[hard meteor]

so always worth at least mining it out eh

[long comet]

suevite is really pretty too

[errant surge]

long henge?

[hard meteor]

something i didnt check, but does meteoric iron come up with the short range prospect pick option?

[long comet]

it doesn't

[hard meteor]

found 3 rough diamond so far excavating that area, still got more to go but my poor pick broke

thx for showing me to how to find them 😄

[long comet]

what potential?

[hard meteor]

potential low, whats that stat for, trade value?

[long comet]

yep, that's 6-10 gears per diamond

7-13 for medium

and 9-15 for high

luxury and artisan trader will get them off your hands

[hard meteor]

allot of gears, very much worth mining that rock then

im also finally prepping to enter steel age on my single player, really handy learning all these systems, getting into the hopper, pulverising, making the refactory bricks, slowly learnin the ins and outs of the progression

[wispy star]

is meteoric iron mentioned in the guides? how did you figure out the subtle crater are where they live?

[long comet]

I think it was mentioned in the progression guide?

[wispy star]

ah nice

i should see about getting on with my singleplayer world

i left off at panning for copper :p

[hard meteor]

coming down with the flu so i hope im well enough to actually be active on saterday 😦

[glossy condor]

I dont recall met iron being mentioned in the progression guide at all

[hard meteor]

its only a small note

[south cypress]

found a quality malakite ore

[long comet]

Malachite only exists in the highest quality

[south cypress]

ah

[long comet]

It's always bountiful

[south coral]

So, it's three firewood for a pot of six portions...
Less fuel-intensive than one may think - but it costing any at all does make it expensive 😅

[south cypress]

well today i learned that using watering can to cool ingot mold with hot metal is not good idea and is not best way to fast cooling

[lusty otter]

oof, tongs and a smol pond better i take it?

[hexed bane]

You can't pick it up from a mold until it hardens

[long comet]

careful with that too, it can shatter the mold

[hexed bane]

And pouring water or leaving the mold in the rain destroys it, even says so in the handbook

[long comet]

that depends on the temp of the ingot/toolhead

no idea on the exact temps for every metal

[hexed bane]

I heard that it breaks around the transition from soft to hardened, but didn't test it myself

[heavy condor]

Trying to come up with a design for my sawmill build

Anyone know how to get eh bark side of a log to showup when chisseling a log?

Quarter logs apparently are my best choicce, but they work

[long comet]

They only show on the surface

[heavy condor]

Got the sawmill planned out, just need to figure out the house build, and storage areas

[vocal holly]

sawmill? we can build a sawmill! that would be nice

[heavy condor]

I am building a lumberyard/forestry yard

so hopefully come spring in the server we will have a slow but steady supply of wood types

[vocal holly]

that would be cool 🙂 cant wait to see it all set up 🙂

[blissful cipher]

Just a reminder, going to be organising a proper expedition to the south / south-east early next stream. Not playing around with this one, we'll be going at least 25km, maybe even 50km from spawn. Far enough that it'll be a few days trip there or back, so we'll be expecting to set up an outpost down there. Our goal is to gather new seeds (tree or otherwise) set up farm land that will be able to remain active longer into the year, and simply to gather new resources from different biomes.

[long comet]

The end of freezing temoeratures will make longer expeditions easier

[shut jolt]

So we should take beds with to sleep at night?

[blissful cipher]

We'll spend a bit of time gathering supplies (mostly food) and also some building materials for the trip, we'll likely need to erect small camps each night (might as well leave them standing to form way stations along some future road) as well as top up on any supplies we might be running low on.

Aye, though beds are just hay, and can likely be procruered locally wherever we go.

We're now on the far side of the dead of winter, but it will still be cold, so folks will need torches, an at least one item of warm clothing to help stave off the worst of the cold, but we'll stop and throw up small huts as necessary to restore warmth.

That said, by heading south, we'll be chasing warm weather, so the issue will get easier to deal with the further we go.

[heavy condor]

True but having a local supply, that we don't have to go consistently farther away for specific wood types that grow around spawn Town would be handy

[glossy condor]

Are we setting up another township down there?

[long comet]

Trees can require up to 4 seasons of growth

So it's going to be a while still

[blissful cipher]

Bringing a temporal gear each will be helpful, but not necessary. However, once we get to where we're going, if folk want to hang around down there without worrying about the long trek back if they die, a temporal gear to set your spawn location would be good.

No idea Sheep, it'll start off as an outpost, maybe just one or two buildings, but might expand, depends what peeps want to do.

The initial expedition will require a 'base camp' once we arrive though, so that's all I'm planning for, for now. How that base-camp expands is up to everyone else :)

[long comet]

Personally I think I'm going to give this expedition a miss and set my sights on less distant distant horizons

But I do plan on travelling a good bit

[blissful cipher]

Might be worth a ping on this topic though, as if folks want to come with, it may change some of their plans for tomorrow, so getting a little warning (even if they choose not to go, if someone they rely on to get some work /is/ going, they may want to talk to them ahead of time to make sure stuff is done prior to us leaving) so @here you go. Read a few posts up to see what I'm talking about, but TL;DR, going to be arranging for a group of us to go on a loooooong trek to the south at the start of the community game day tomorrow.

[glossy condor]

If we could source iron, and maybe bring an anvil, we could set up a more permanent base down there, probably a farming outpost for the good growing season 🤔

(Copper wouldn't hurt, too)

[rotund hull]

I would focus myself on reinforcing the Town.

[long comet]

The problem is you need at least a bronze anvil to work iron

[south coral]

I should probably prepare several crocks for the expedition right away, then...

[south cypress]

long as it's warm enough to keep an greenhouse warm during winter then i am okay with it

[long comet]

But embarking dwarf style with an anvil would be wise

[glossy condor]

If we're leaving straight away I would have to take one of the towns anvils unfortunately

[glossy condor]

It is straight vibes, though

[hard meteor]

probably will want to bring afew seeds of flax and other things as well to start crops down there, dont need allot but at least some

[long comet]

We have an iron one I know of if we have a bronze one too that could be taken

Or a new iron one would be forged

Because iron is required for meteoric and steel

[south coral]

Would be really neat if you had to put an anvil into a bag slot to carry it.... But then it also shows up on your back >:D

alas, 'tis not so

[blissful cipher]

That would be cool, aye XD

[glossy condor]

The biggest issue will be trading back and forth from Dapper Delldritch to the new southlands...

[blissful cipher]

But taking a copper anvil is enough to boot-strap the new outpost, if that's what we want to do.

[long comet]

Would be great if a translocator network be established

[glossy condor]

If we have borax, I would really want to just make a new iron anvil to take. Assuming we have both the iron and borax for it.

[hard meteor]

at least once an outpost is started we could slowly start to make passage alittle easier, hopefully eventually finding teleporters that shorten distance

[long comet]

Borax shouldn't be an issue

[glossy condor]

butcher mod does this with carcasses and it is awsome

[south cypress]

don't the new ridable moose be able to carry stuff?

[blissful cipher]

@wary vapor is already excited for the road project, so you can expect a proper network will be on the go soon. So the 'waystation' camps will likely be very useful as we travel, if for no other reason than markers.

[true quest]

As a new arrival I might try and join the expedition south to help setup camp/outpost. Should give me some experience with the start of a town and make me feel a bit more useful than trying to help out in the established starter town. Hoping to make it to the start of the stream

[glossy condor]

I think I'll go south to take on the role of smithing for down there. I end up a smith every time I play MP no reason to break tradition now lol

[hard meteor]

im not sure il be able to be on for the expiditon, but will most likely do my own trek in time or perhaps move south once my smithy build is done up here

[blissful cipher]

That's a really good point Labchimp, and not one I'd considered, but for everyone who's joined the server a bit later, last stream for example, and is feeling a little boxed in, or like they haven't had a chance to experience the 'build up' of a town, this might be the perfect opportunity for them to get in on the ground floor as it were.

[hard meteor]

Whats the respawn settings on the server for temporal gears?

[glossy condor]

Ill take inventory of what anvils we have, copper will do, bronze is better, and iron is perfect.

-# Meteroic Iron Anvil is godly

[blissful cipher]

Let me check, but should be default for survival.

[long comet]

Infinite from my recollection

[blissful cipher]

Nah, Sheep, just take the bronze.

[glossy condor]

1 use from mine, but I hope you're right

[blissful cipher]

Don't try to kickstart the south too much.

[hard meteor]

i think default is 3 or 20, based on initial difficulty selected

[blissful cipher]

Everyone knows the best part of DF is embarking.

Also defeats the 'new players get to experience the start' if we just take everything, including the kitchen sink, with us. Jumping past the initial grind for copper and tin is nice though.

[glossy condor]

Im glad we got 3 different answers on how many gear* respawns we get lmao

Sounds good to me

[blissful cipher]

Just going to check the server settings now, brb

it's set to 20

[glossy condor]

Huge

[blissful cipher]

3 is wilderness I think.

[hexed bane]

What's the polar-equator distance setting for the server @blissful cipher ?

[blissful cipher]

Default.

[hard meteor]

oh thats plenty then, and the people that mmove out there can source more in time

[blissful cipher]

so 100km I expect.

25km should take us to warm 'enough' climes, 50km would take us to the equator, and as hot as it gets.

[glossy condor]

We are, however, forgetting the most important part,

A name.

[blissful cipher]

Let those who make it there decide that.

You might not survive the trip ;)

[glossy condor]

I say we name it based on the surrounding topography, or possibly the journey there.

[blissful cipher]

(Neither might I, in equal measure -- hence, let's not get ahead of ourselves)

[glossy condor]

True

[hexed bane]

I see, so 50km will be the equator, but you won't need to go as far for just farming, I imagine anout 20km should be enough, maybe even less

[hard meteor]

for those that die the last few km the destination and are sent back to spawn, i feel for you

[blissful cipher]

Aye, I like naming things based on what's around, but that's the welsh in me.

[dire estuary]

Would it still be ok for a new player to join the server? Picked up the game earlier this week

[blissful cipher]

More than OK. Positively encouraged :)

[hard meteor]

everytime i think of names from welsh..

https://tenor.com/view/news-fails-news-fail-volcanoe-super-long-name-longest-name-gif-21512457

[blissful cipher]

Perfectly sensible name.

[hexed bane]

Also, you should think about what to do if lots of people die on the way there

[blissful cipher]

Clear, concise, perfect.

[dire estuary]

Doesn't it mean something along the lines of small church by the pond?

[blissful cipher]

Along the lines, yeah.

[glossy condor]

Are we bringing food from home or are we planning to forage, a little of both?

[blissful cipher]

A bit more accurate than that.

[long comet]

The polish way to name settlements is either the founder's name or it's main export

[blissful cipher]

Read up XD

[south coral]

Every town is named that way 😅

[blissful cipher]

You must have skipped a post or two if you're asking that Sheep lol

[south coral]

well, most towns

[glossy condor]

Yeah sorry I'm at work posting between calls lol

[blissful cipher]

Ahhh, that explains it!

[dire estuary]

Hence why a lot of places in Australia are named Batman

[blissful cipher]

Hope work's going well mate :)

[hard meteor]

pies and bread may be a good food source to bring since they can stack allot higher for an invintory slot, all depends on how long you think it will take, things may spoil in backpack if too long

[hexed bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BXKsQ2nbno

[glossy condor]

Super slow until it gets interesting here :,)