so they tend to blow up when outmatched
#Starsector Adventures!
hearty shale
mhm
Fury cruisers have the same problem on paper
but they have the staying power for it
I use shrikes and medusas mostly as additional support for the anchors xD
very defensively, with long range lasers and PD
medusa actually can fight though
I also like to run hammer-and-anvil type tactics though
so stuff in my fleets really needs to have staying power - or be super evasive
fleet glen
hmm maybe if i got rid of all these d mods my fleet would be better
ive just noticed im averaging like 2-3 dmods per ship lol
im probably judging my fleet too harshly considering its been somewhat designed with the new enemy in mind, so while it underperforms a bit against other things it might do well against those
i do have to get out to the abyss and see if even thats true
serene viper
Just blow up the base
fleet glen
at the time i had dropped all my ships off save a single apogee i was flying :p
i would have though
serene viper
Also I'm seeing we've got all 3 forms of player here. Citrea with high tech, Raven with midline and me with low tech
hearty shale
And all my high tech gets funded with luddite toasters 
serene viper
I love my low tech bricks
hearty shale
Which they defend so poorly, they are basically free!
serene viper
Speaking of. I'm gonna try and flagship an invictus this run
Instead of my 'usual' ship...
I'm addicted to ||ziggie||
fleet glen
nice the second cryosleeper was 11ly away from the first
hearty shale
the Odyssey battleship looks kinda interesting, too, as a core to the Fury squad hammer... But then I'd be wanting to run three battleship-class vessels, which... gets expensive fast. May be an option for poking into endgame content though 😅
fleet glen
ive found me some threat! time to see how my fleet fares
wow these things are ridiculous
im getting owned
i was a fool to come here
theyre just eating me alive
big spoiler screenshot btw
well, if i cant fight them i can at least test something else while im in the abyss
i just cant kill them fast enough at all
its like the ||oldslaught|| is just completely necessary to bring for them
only that has the speed and power to break through
or maybe i just need to full shift to low tech?
really not sure
fleet glen
OMG ive never zoomed in on the planetary debris before look at these little guys
serene viper
its like the ||oldslaught|| is just completely necessary to bring for them
I mean that sounds like you want lots of flak then
fleet glen
id have thought a double paladin paragon would have that pretty well
i think i just couldnt kill priority targets which is more a fleet composition thing
serene viper
i think i just couldnt kill priority targets which is more a fleet composition t...
Use the fleet commands
fleet glen
i did, there were just too many for my ships to be able to do it
too much quite dangerous chaff
fleet glen
very armoured chaff
serene viper
It sounds like I might have to reintroduce an old design I made in a modded run...
PDominator.
fleet glen
yeah
serene viper
Dominator but all the guns are point defence.
fleet glen
its just super lame that it seems like they hard counter high tech
and i kinda have put loads of story points and money into that
serene viper
On the other hand.
The other scary things might actually get countered by high tech.
fleet glen
yeah hope so, i feel like my builds would do good against that
and i can imagine the paragon would be like the perfect tank for the job
serene viper
Which is interesting... and a pain....
fleet glen
ahh whats a guy gotta do to get some horrors beyond my comprehension out here
cant find any
serene viper
ahh whats a guy gotta do to get some horrors beyond my comprehension out here
Have you gone visiting ||that one system in the bottom left?||
fleet glen
nop havent been to ||limbo|| yet
serene viper
🙂
fleet glen
ive just been going around the abyss at other sides of the map
serene viper
Should spoiler the location just in case.
But uhhh yeah go over there and you'll figure out how to find the big scary pretty fast.
And I highly suggest not posting any pictures of the actual fight. People can't help themselves and it's something you need to experience.
But yeah uhhh... where the fuck do you find the other [SUPER REDACTED]? I wanna fight them some more.
fleet glen
||afaik they appear from the pink-ish abyss lights, which you just find by moseying around long enough||
i dont thiink theyre tied to any specific area in the abyss
but ive had pretty sour luck so far so maybe im in the wrong area
oooh sweet
found a nicely placed black hole i can slipstream and slingshot myself into the abyss from
that saves a lot of time
serene viper
found a nicely placed black hole i can slipstream and slingshot myself into the ...
We love slipsurge.
fleet glen
how is any fleet meant to deal with that...
YESS
caught a fish
well the paragon lived but everything else just imploded
im so sad
what a dumb fleet
i guess i just need to get rid of all my destroyers and small ships and just use cruisers
they just die
serene viper
Against that? Well idk tbh. I think it's more just 'how much of a brick is it' that matters )
I haven't messed with them beyond the initial fight (which I am looking forward to redoing...)
fleet glen
wow i did it
i brought in the ||oldslaught||, which died, the paragon suffered for like 5 minutes but cleared most of them, and i brought in the frigates and they managed to swarm the big one
that was so dumb
my fleet is dogshit
i think the main flaw is im using lots of emp where ||both the new threats are emp resistant||
which sucks because thats like high tech's thing
hearty shale
aw, looks like I can't run Starsector in fullscreen on Linux >_>
It just... breaks. The moment I try to do anything else beside Starsector.
windowed works fine though 
serene viper
Windowed borderless?
Afaik starsector will run windowed borderless by default if you set it to not run fullscreen but at full screen res.
hearty shale
tried that, it works but that cuts off the window where my task bar is
and if I run fullscreen, it decides that my cursor is not allowed off of my primary screen and cannot interact with anything but starsector, even the task bar to get back into starsector, so I have to manually alt-tab back in and close it
fleet glen
very silly looking build designed for fishing
serene viper
tried that, it works but that cuts off the window where my task bar is <:miaShru...
That's a inux thing then. Because for me it works just fine.
hearty shale
mhm. probably.
serene viper
Unlikely
High risk
ATLAS
hearty shale
Well, enjoy your extra large space backpack :P
serene viper
Time to try and build this thing... I suck at shipbuilding though but I wanna try something new.
fleet glen
loads of kinetic
round badger
I find bulkheads to be a meh choice in general unless I'm putting a position holder together
What's the energy bolt thing do
fleet glen
oh yeah bulkheads might not be the right choice for a ship that is fairly reliant on shields
however, it does bump up the hull of capital ships quite significantly so its not for nothing
round badger
Oh yeah 40 percent is no joke dnt get me wrong
hearty shale
New fleet! Running with Second in Command this time, to try it out :D
wolves can pick apart destroyers >:D
fleet glen
wolves are awesome
oh, funny thing i saw with shephards a little bit ago, someone was using three of them in an escort to a manticore to give it a mini drone swarm and it was a little bit ridiculous how effective they made that look
truly a big brain individual
round badger
You ever run with direwolves citrea?
hearty shale
Direwolves?
fleet glen
pretty much they took a wolf and made it a destroyer with a large energy mount and similar configuration and flaws to the original wolf
hearty shale
ah. No, I run things fairly vanilla 😅
fleet glen
way insufficient base flux, pretty fragile. its kind of just a sunder but not midline
hearty shale
No extra ships or systems
fleet glen
yea helps have a more balanced experience that way lol
second in command is super awesome hope you have fun with it
serene viper
What's the energy bolt thing do
Gives non-beam energy guns 100 more range. This was an autofit btw.
round badger
Nice
hearty shale
Can salvage a Sunder... Unfortunately, Sunders are very squish 😅
fleet glen
ive had a lot of success with my beam sunder
i think the squishiness is unavoidable sadly
hearty shale
In my experience, once I get out of the extremely early game, they tend to just... die. On the spot 😅
fleet glen
yeah i can imagine the ai being silly with them for sure
well not imagine, ive been there lol
the ai will always mess up in the way you least expected because of how ridiculous it would be to do such an idea
like i see my medusas routinely jumping into the middle of like 7 ships and get vaporized
round badger
Oof
fleet glen
then again i think that one had an officer with a death wish
round badger
I rely on control groups really heavily to avoid that
Small ships round a medium, those medium around me
And I am the spearpoint
fleet glen
one of the perks of low tech and slower fleets i suppose, they wont (usually) run or be able to run headlong into danger so dramatically
fleet glen
yeah :p
hearty shale
New flagship, for now >:D
fleet glen
classic
hearty shale
with the energy weapon focus this thing comes with, three pulse lasers are actually really good 😅
fleet glen
this is what i came up for mine
devastating to ships that are already engaged with my frontline
absurd range, and ive been considering using escort package to amp that up even more now i have capitals around
dont mind the 5 d mods lol
user error
fleet glen
with that awful shield efficienct no wander it melts
round badger
posting it again just cuz i love the silhouette so much
fleet glen
it looks really cool i gotta try it
round badger
tahlan shipworks
round badger
it IS fairly squishy but mmmmm if you handle er just right
it was made for my playstyle
fleet glen
speedy and deadly?
round badger
see those four medium mounts?
full broadside capability
its still a light cruiser, so it cant turn, stop, or start on a dime, but diving into a shipwreck to take cover to reduce flux is well within its abilities
iirc the shield is omnidirectional, with a 90 degree coverage
if you keep the small mounts on anti shield weapons and the broadsiders on anti armour, it absolutely chews through everything - except ventures (?)
those things are unreasonably fucking tanky >.>
round badger
oh gosh no, that would be way too op
fleet glen
i understand why the new enemies aren't in the sim but man it would be so nice to test and know for sure if im building something effective or useless
remnant are really the best i can do
round badger
should be good hunting
round badger
im no sure if its a mod ship or not
but have you run into a ship with a hard mounted wepaon thats a long range kinetic, that splits like a shotgun?
you can also get the weapon in the wild iirc
round badger
it wasnt great but i thought it was fucking cool
fleet glen
probably a mod
round badger
it had a really slow rate of fire to balance it out
and fairly mid travel speed
are there any new cool beam weapons?
fleet glen
i dont think so
all the new weapons are very unconventional to say the least
i havent seen them all so there may be one
i wonder if im using expanded mags and magazine based weapons too much
every combat ship ive made except one has had s modded expanded mags lol
round badger
i mean, is it working for you?
its not a function i use very much so i wont be much help
round badger
it sounds very much like an "all in" strategy to me
serene viper
sexmags is great.
serene viper
i wonder if im using expanded mags and magazine based weapons too much
My fave ||ziggurat|| build is double APL with smodded mags.
round badger
i forget the exact part, but if i could make a suggestion
missiles with an emp effect also typically have tracking that curves around to hit the engines
serene viper
Salamander.
round badger
yeah?
serene viper
Salamander is the vanilla missile that does anti-engine.
fleet glen
oh that sounds pretty brutal yea roadtrain
round badger
its killer against unidirectional shield ships
ill have a couple of missile boats loaded with emp shit, and then just sweep up their targets
fleet glen
salamanders are just so weak
round badger
maybe
fleet glen
salamander does 1500 emp
just checked
my emp has mainly been from ion pulsers this run
round badger
as effective as they can be, im not a big fan of reapers
even with extended capacities, its just so low
fleet glen
though im a fan of the ||voltaic cannon for its 500emp + numerous emp arcs||
round badger
oh yeah i mean you can one shot a motherfucker with a full alpha strike
fleet glen
an effective thing i copied was missile autoloaders + small reapers on omens
they get 4 reapers a battle and being small, strong shields and fast means they can get the right angles
serene viper
Reapers on an omen... my god
round badger
is that a phase ship?
fleet glen
its a high tech frigate
serene viper
No, it's the emp emitter ship.
round badger
try it on a phaser 😛
fleet glen
this is the exact build
serene viper
There's a phase variant though called the shade.
round badger
you only have to pop out of phase space long enough to launch your missiles then you can fuck off immediately
serene viper
this is the exact build
That's a fucking spicy omen.
serene viper
Wait why does it have 3 built-in hullmods
round badger
its a real driveby ship
fleet glen
the creator of it s modded hardened shields and something else i dont remember
omens just get those for free
theyre very good
fleet glen
yeah for real lol
fleet glen
i think only the sensors s mod would be that effective to have, gives omens great map vision
eccm isnt that good since reapers are unguided and theyre frigates so they arent bothered much by range reduction
and considering the weapon layout specifically lol
serene viper
but. It's funny
fleet glen
true
round badger
yeah you kinda gotta shake your ass at them to fire off that missile so
i see that cheeky phase ship in there btw
that thing is a giant asshole
round badger
the rev yeah
serene viper
... you realize that has no guns.
round badger
since when has it needed guns
serene viper
It's a cargo ship.
round badger
oh i bamboozled myself, i thought it was the big one but wrong silhouette, oops
i was thinking of the one that drops mines
round badger
yeah fuck those things
round badger
reeeeeeee
serene viper
I like flying the doom. I wanna fly one again...
fleet glen
dooms are pretty sweet though i dont find myself using them much
nor phase ships at all really
maybe i should be
oh my favourite phase ship has gotta be the grendel
round badger
i would have
serene viper
On the other hand. There's loot in the smugglers.
fleet glen
its a tough world
round badger
see what you do is swoop in roadtrain, as if ou are gonna save them
then shoot them in back. If there are no survivvors, theres no crime right
serene viper
That's going to fucking murder my indie rep lol
round badger
i think they fixed that rep glitch tho
serene viper
And that's the one faction I will not go hostile with.
however it might still be best for me to swoop in, let them die, then deploy my ships to kill the pirates.
serene viper
nvm battle ended the moment I unpaused.
Anyway. Pirates. You have a falcon. I want it.
serene viper
Boooo the falcon's a story point...
fleet glen
i havent managed to make falcon p work that well
serene viper
Missiles
Absolutely fill it to the brim with missiles.
I like to go for annihilators, typhoon reapers and salamanders as well as some PD. I've also heard that it's a good converted hanger candidate cause it has so much OP to spend.
fleet glen
hm yeah 125 is a lot for mainly 2 med and small missiles
oh and the composites
maybe thats where im going wrong, id use the composites for ballistics
instead of using it like it is, a missile cruiser
ill have to give it a go
ah i wanna do a pirate run at some point
serene viper
Yeah no the falcon wants as much missiles as it can possibly get.
round badger
honestly tho, is there ANY downside to annihilators?
serene viper
They're a suppression weapon though.
hearty shale
Ah, yes, those combats where a faction decides to send a way too weak fleet to attack a pirate station, but you want to loot it, so you deploy a paragon to help, literally turning the fight from a sure loss to a simple victory... and then you get one reputation and no loot
I have had that happen last run
helping is worth it, but really not by much xD
round badger
It really depends on the situation
serene viper
mfw I check out a trinary star and one of the stars is a neutron.
... I should win this.
fleet glen
yeah youve easily got the anti armour for that
the pathers can be easy to underestimate at times for me
serene viper
My flagship is an anti armour monster.
Okay that actually got a bit scary...
but we pulled through
fleet glen
was it the erads
serene viper
Yeah... kinda got ganged up on. I also didn't deploy all of my ships cause I forgot to reinforce...
round badger
Those are the best fights, the close ones
round badger
Juicyyyyy
serene viper
Only 1 ship dropped (am not commissioned or anything... I should try that at some point tbh)
fleet glen
being comissioned makes the early and mid game a lot lot better and makes it easy to get ships from your preferred tech level
it has the slight downside of having to choose a faction and not be friends with everyone but that kinda shakes things up and makes it interesting
serene viper
What the fuck are these guys doing IN HYPERSPACE.
serene viper
Yes I am. I'm wondering if they're mission tied (doing the first galatia quest)
fleet glen
humhum
serene viper
Definitely quest tied.
They got special text and everything.
And of course I am going to fight this even if the game reckons I can't.
Apparently this is a random event...
fleet glen
huh cool
yeah thats not a particularly scary remnant fleet idk why the game thinks it is lol
probably the alpha core
hearty shale
Alright, so I did a thing... 😅
Supposedly, the Sunder has a large hard point..? But I am guessing this variant just doesn't. Soooo, I gave it a heavy blaster instead, and two phase lances.
Activate energy specialisation, overload enemy shields in one salvo (or kill them) >:D
Phase lances
Are good
Replaced the Graviton Beam on my suppression wolf with a phase lance
aaaand it is very good. So good that I took one of it's tac beams and gave it to the other wolf, so now they both keep enemy shields suppressed while having a good heavy hitting option >:D
Fear my single Sunder and two wolves! xD
fleet glen
woaw that is very overfluxed
the large hardpoint would usually be in the middle thats a funky variant
hearty shale
yea, I guessed so xD
This one just has a medium there
and it can actually support like two salvos with shields up
heavy burst damage
with solid enough shields to protect the wolves, buuut not fire while doing so
hearty shale
yea... Don't really have anything for those slots, but it tends to be more effective to just shield missiles. But at the moment, I have no larger ships to screen for fighters, so they need some pd
else they die too easily to random strike craft
Big fan of the phase lance though :D
smaller sister of the tachyon lance >:D
same role, different size
round badger
it's the IM NOT COMPENSATING weapon for small ships ;D
serene viper
Opinion of the executor so far: Meh?
I'mma need to get hardened shields or smth for it because right now it just melts.
Very much looking forward to getting my hands on the big chonk
fleet glen
ahhh i remember this build when the light dual autocannon had crazy flux efficiency
retribution gotta be one of my favourite ships
round badger
That's a lot of dakka
fleet glen
wow i think this is one of the prettiest ring systems ive seen in starsector
fleet glen
you know someone i was watching mentioned they thought the abyss corner was bigger than it used to be and i think theyre right
here's the new abyss corner, very big large distance
ah nevermind
i thought i had an older screenshot of a sector with previous generation to compare with
i have no conclusive evidence other than i think it looks bigger because someone else suggested it :p
hearty shale
While I do miss my capital ships... Tiny fleets are their own kind of fun :D
Barely out of the tutorial, just did two bounties after that and a timy bit of shipping. Currently headed out into unexplored space for the academy. Last run, I messed up there and got stranded out there, after a slipstream incident
Distress call is a good ability, even if you don't want to use it
This time, I am making sure I have enough fuel to get back xD
If and when my Starfaring officer levels up, I will also be getting Continuous Repairs - and if I get really lucky, I can find another paragon just floating out in unknown space somewhere >:D
fleet glen
i was reaally looking at the "transverse is free" ability from the starfaring tree
im not sure how actually consequential that would be and the real supply returns for that but it sounds nice
hearty shale
It sounds quite useful
but more useful than the rest? Not sure
it is great if you are playing any kind of smuggling or super large fleets
smuggling because, well, leaving from anywhere
and large fleets will eventually reach a point where you save more jumping immediately for free than if you had flown to the jump point and spent that point on something else
It also makes emergency burn free, though, right?
that one can be invaluable for chasing down some fast targets
add on top of that the hazard damage reduction, which... is not necessary, but nice to have
The other two at that tier are arguably better
But it is a very nice skill in certain nieche cases
that said, starfaring has way too many good skills to decide xD
I am probably going to skip Bulk Transport for one of the tier 2 skills, but it's a close decision
fleet glen
i dont remember if it included e burn but i know for sure it was transverse
starfaring is pretty awesome
hearty shale
it does, just looked it up 😅
Continuous repairs is so good they needed to nerf it from the hull restoration baseline 😅
fleet glen
woaw thats nuts
oh man just realised i completely forgot about the contacts system this run
ive nearly exclusively made money off of exploration missions and academy quests
fleet glen
theyre awesome, your supplies and fuel are paid for and then you get loot too!
saves from having to do it all later looking for a colony as wel
and fairly safe most of the time
wish i had 2 more gazes for those back missiles
who needs pd anyway
resistant flux conduits was put just as a protection against piercing emp arcs. that + hardened shields makes emp a non issue. at least while its shields are up, which they should be, or something has gone terribly wrong
it beats the sim paragon handily so ill call it fine
oh yeah the autolances on the back look pretty silly huh
they probably are
fleet glen
you are allowed to laugh at this build
i realised a great flaw
this means it has to turn to get all its weapons on target
thats no good
it must be staring at them
hearty shale
who needs pd anyway
I mean... the paragon needs pd 😅
as the fortress core of a fleet, part of it's job is to defend the smaller ships
fleet glen
well, at least from my limited observation ||the old ones don't have missiles||
hearty shale
Astral has a similar role, if you pair it with a paragon
mm. Strike craft?
and pd still lasers ships 😅
fleet glen
it does and i considered whether the frag effect the paladin has would be useful, but i do feel like an autopulse probably is more effective
four autopulses kinda says goodbye to most enemy shields id imagine which is what i want
hearty shale
Well... The paragon does have a lot of firepower
but it's pretty much omni-directional, specifically because it is the core of a fleet, putting pressure on everything else
and then your ships can swoop in to exploit that pressure
as such, LRPD is almost a must-have 😅
it is kind of too slow normally to really act as a hammer, with focused fire power
Mind you, it's absolutely possible to to all tac beams and use them as PD >:D
Point Defense hull mod is pretty good 😅
fleet glen
i usually just go for burst pds where i can, though maybe i should consider lrpds just for the crazy range theyd get from the paragon
hearty shale
Mhm
Exactly, that, but also, tac lasers have even more range
and they're small
so an S-Modded PD AI makes them into better LRPD
and they still get the targeting bonus, PD damage bonus and ignoring decoys
it's really good 😅
Basically, the idea is that your Paragon becomes a zone of "no enemy missiles or strike craft allowed"
And when there's no missiles, your tac beams are still PD
so they get pretty much perfect tracking
and they force enemies within that amazing range to keep their shields up or be lasered
which means your heavy hitters don't need to defend themselves as much and can use that pressure to hit even harder
fleet glen
true but i feel there are better s mods i could be using, like turret gyros for 5% damage per class size down, stabilised shields for 10% damage turns to soft flux, solar shielding to ignore storms, maybe even the flux hullmods just for even better stats
there might be something to be said about making the paragon have a ton of pd and having no pd on the rest of the fleet but that seems like a big weakness
its so easy for ships to just wander off
hearty shale
there is a reason I always get the three s-mod skill ^_^
and yea, I use not just the paragom for it
fleet glen
ive already used up two of my s mods on hardened shields and expanded mags
hearty shale
bur that is the concept
ah, I don't need expanded mags
since I rely primarily on my beams
fleet glen
yeah its probably limiting my builds a bit by having it s modded but the charge based weapons are very strong
fleet glen
ye
hey since you have second in command there is that one skill tree that buffs beams
fleet glen
i think its in tech
fleet glen
i was using a high tech fleet with looads of phase lances at the time so it was a no brainer for me
hearty shale
tech is just generally good for energy weapon and high tech fleets
fleet glen
tech is awesome
second in command is awesome in general
really opens up a lot more options
hearty shale
Ah, you mean focused lenses
getting that next
skipping the t3 skills to get shield modulation and focused lenses
and then speed, energy weapon damage + flux and emp resistance in tier 1
not using phase ships and ecm is useful, but I don't use too many long range missiles
sabot missiles <3
fleet glen
at least in the sim
lack of pd probably hurts a lot in real combat
oh thats the funny in the screenshot whoops
oh its in the other ones too
hmm
well i look crazy now but spoilers removed
might be getting too fancy with this
fleet glen
this feels nice and streamlined
not sure about double capital but thought id bring em out for fun to blow up a pather base
ive gone with heavy armour and strong emp resist hullmods on a lot of these
fleet glen
wow that was a slaughter
that station didnt stand a chance
the pather fleet i fought before it was tougher
serene viper
this feels nice and streamlined
What skills does the core have?
Pls tell me it's not default.
fleet glen
What skills does the core have?
here's the skills
integrated so it gets 8
i do have another build im not using that uses pd officer skill
fleet glen
I sleep and yall go wild :p
yea i spent quite some time in the refit screen lol
serene viper
here's the skills
Neat. In my playthrough I dumped my executor and now I have a legion XIV. The executor was just... awful.
serene viper
Probably but I just couldn't get it to work. It is so fucking squishy.
fleet glen
yeah its pretty funky, its almost like a capital sunder
at least to my initial observation. i havent spent much time building it
serene viper
Honestly that's a good way of putting it. And I dislike the sunder.
round badger
Maybe I'll try an ai empire next time for hard mode
hearty shale
oooh, found a derelict omen
it's... interesting. Not good, at least not this one, but I may just not know how to play it yet
the 360° shield is nice though
round badger
360 degree is sometimes a trap but sometimes not
I found it OK on doritos because their Flux pools were so high but on a less efficient or lower capacity ship it can be chancyb
Not having to worry about a chance engine failure is real nice tho :p
hearty shale
A revenant! :D
And I found a really good system, I think .-.
Both in one system!
That seems like a good place to start colony efforts 😅
a gas giant and two barren worlds here as well, and a barren-desert world
Class V and Class IV >:D
All the way out here, (un?)fortunately
fleet glen
that 150% is half decent
round badger
oh wow thats really not at all far imo 😛
hearty shale
oh, yea, no, it's pretty good - and there's that 125% in the same system, too
pretty much right next to it
round badger
its rough for accessibility but ive gone sometimes three or four times that distance out to get a good handful of systems
hearty shale
Map of the system. The green one top left is the 150 and the blue next to the gas giant is the 125
also also, the jungle world is hot
round badger
same
fleet glen
my current colony system isnt far from the corner lol
hearty shale
And I just earlier found this one
round badger
ahem, i mean good for mining?
fleet glen
works out cause thats close to where the new goodies are
round badger
oh thats really neat
hearty shale
I am really tempted to set up shop here tbh
I currently lack the crew, and my fleet is... really not enough for this, I feel 😅
fleet glen
i heard about a very specific way to use that colony item
fleet glen
volcanic planet with double ultrarich, you can set up mining, refining and heavy industry and since the supply chain is all on one planet its impossible to disrupt
and perfect for a military base
hearty shale
oh, yea, that sounds like exactly what I'd use this for >:D
fleet glen
a sort of fortress industrial world
hearty shale
alas, I have no such planet
fleet glen
the nanites are probably still useful on the 125% planet, even if it is sparse farmland
basically just turns it to okay farmland, but its better than having no food supply
id imagine it would prevent food shortages in system and be resistant to trade disruption
round badger
it only increases it by 2 units anyway
so its gonna be about as effective there as anywhere else
hearty shale
oh, no, I can't use these on any planet with ore
round badger
oh right
so you need to shop around your nearby systems a little then
if you havent already?
hearty shale
not yet
cargo holds are full and I really need to stock up on supplies to colonise this place, anyway 😅
how important is proximity to a remnant nexus?
[Insert yo mama joke about orbiting Her here]
round badger
her ass giant?
hearty shale
how important is proximity to a remnant nexus? <:leaCheese:257888171772215296>
Because there is one somewhat close 😅
round badger
it might not hurt to wait a bit anyway yeah
cuz its not like the other factions are gonna come out here and colonize
fleet glen
i believe it only matters if its in system
ah which it is
well i think its like 10 progress per tick for a remnant nexus, they also will terrorize your orbital station and patrol fleets. however theyre pretty good security, theyve fended off pirate raids for me
hearty shale
Mhm, buuuut I also want to get the colony growth started so I can actually maybe do something with it 😅
fleet glen
10 or 20
hearty shale
oh, no, it's well north
round badger
iirc colony growth has been improved a lot hasnt it?
fleet glen
i havent noticed anything about colony growth lately. unless you mean like compared to a much earlier version
in which case idk
its always been this way for me
hearty shale
I mean, yes
but also
actually being able to build the ships I want would be nice
oh, yea, just salvaged a revenant, too >:D
it's... not the best, but it is a phase ship I don't actually need to use in combat
fleet glen
would recommend s modding some utility things on the revenant they are well worth it
hearty shale
and still reasonably large
mhm
all the expanded stuff S-modded, and a sensor array I am thinking
fleet glen
my entire mid-late game fleet is supported by just one
round badger
i wish i could remember the mod that gave you the neutronium ships
hearty shale
reduce the fleet signature as much as possible
round badger
i really want that railcannon back
alright citrea you've finished what the others started
im fuckin updating >=0
round badger
oh ffs windows
fleet glen
oh uh
round badger
how many times a mfer gotta tell you a file is safe
fleet glen
note about updating, it wiped my saves and stuff
fleet glen
note about updating, it wiped my saves and stuff
like, going from 097 to 098 did this
which is fine cuz no point keeping them around when theyre incompatible
but something to note
round badger
Yeah mine are years old at this point
uhm, how big is the game?
i had almost a full gig of mods on there
hearty shale
so, with high resolution sensors, the revenant reduces my sensor profile by 24% 😅
good ship
round badger
the .libs dont need an update do they?
hearty shale
Oh, actually
I think I can use the nanites on the tundra world?
It's Transplutonics or Volatiles
That planet has ore and organics
Question: Should I start on the tundra world, where I can get the farming boost and which has a lower hazard rating... or on the jungle world, which has even more organics, but no ruins and has volatiles?
round badger
Id go with the ruins personally
hearty shale
yea, especially since I can get the farming boost...
I do have five gamma cores in my cargo hold 😅
fleet glen
uhm, how big is the game?
in response ot this
round badger
So 1/3 of my game is mods lmao oops...
fleet glen
happens :p
serene viper
Both in one system!
Damn, the pollution sucks... also those trace volatiles on the jungle planet hurts
serene viper
Question: Should I start on the tundra world, where I can get the farming boost ...
Tundra world is better. If you wanna maximize your gains, try to get luddic majority.
Just uhhh make sure you can defend against the fleets that they'll send you or you lose the colony.
hearty shale
oh, luddites will not set foot on my world xD
nah, I just need some food
hooray, it's already making a small profit xD
and in 60 days, I will be able to slot nanites into farming
round badger
hey roadtrain, is there a rule for external links or
hearty shale
now, I probably should hold off on inserting AI cores for the time being
since I am kinda close to hegemony space?
round badger
Just make sure you have a lot of money for bribes
round badger
you might like this one citrea
doesnt change any ships or mechanics just planet skins
hearty shale
station is a must have though, my fleet is too small for now to defend this properly
round badger
that close to the core worlds tho you should be semi safe from pirates and Ludd
hearty shale
one sunder and four wolves are good, bur not that good 😅
the pirates initiated a crisis the moment I settled the colony
round badger
hmmmmmm
serene viper
oh, luddites will not set foot on my world xD
It's a really good buff though. 2 stability, 2 production on farming/light industry is so nice...
serene viper
At least, it's 1 by default but doubles if you defeat the luddites.
hearty shale
AI cores go brr
serene viper
You can still use AI cores. Even on the luddic majority planets.
hearty shale
can you? ô.ô
serene viper
Also think of all the invictii you get to blow up.
Yes.
You can also use colony items.
It is a stupidly powerful bonus.
fleet glen
id say your 125 hazard world is a great candidate for a luddic population. farming with soil nanites works there, and light industry can use organics from your other world
serene viper
But uhhhh... you are limited to 3 industry slots.
hearty shale
mmmm
round badger
wait hol up
serene viper
Farming/light industry/commerce.
round badger
you can CHOOSE population cultures?
serene viper
Anything else makes the luddites move away.
@round badger no this is a specific thing related to the luddic church colony crisis.
fleet glen
kind of. you just get luddic pop if you dont do techy things
round badger
ohhhhh. ok thats still cool tho?
hearty shale
and I really don't have anything but farming and light industry I can realistically do there
serene viper
However there's something more like that if you use industrial.evolution.
fleet glen
its not like the mod you're thinking of
round badger
i havent used that one myself
serene viper
Technically tech mining would be nice.
serene viper
But yeah. It's worth foregoing that.
Although I'm unsure if you could in theory build tech mining as first industry, mine it a bit, then tear it down and build farming.
hearty shale
I just need money atm, really, and supplies 😅
oh, I built farming first
get that food sorted asap
and benefit from my nanites
serene viper
If you want supplies at your colony, you can build a waystation.
Also the 10% access is just nice.
fleet glen
i havent used that one myself
its industrial evolution, and it adds different government types you can choose. as an example, rural polity gives increased growth and stability and farming generates supplies, but industrial buildings reduce stability
round badger
OH
mayasuran navy sure got a uh, an update
i was not expecting that much booba
from the p9 colony group, a lot of these mods have been extensively updated
fleet glen
wow that looks quite uhh normal
im sure this could never be horrors beyond my comprehension
fleet glen
i havent played with it yet. im not sure how i feel about carrier fleets, havent used many
round badger
as cool as they are i would recommend not.
hearty shale
Oh hey
round badger
fightercraft are what bogs the game down the most i find, maybe your pc is way better than mine but
ouuuu shiny planet
round badger
yeah idk, that anarchic populace
hearty shale
but abundant!
round badger
and its only abundant.
fleet glen
yeah they definitely chugged my game in previous versions, but my frames have been extremely stable with the new java version
round badger
I would wait for a volcanic citrea
hearty shale
oh, it's not a now thing xD
round badger
superabundant for both ore types? mmmmmm
hearty shale
and the main benefit would be that this is in the same system
fleet glen
Oh hey
oh is that no atmo that is very nice if you get that one colony item
better refining
hearty shale
and yea, if I find a volcanic world with superabundant, that is where my cryocomputer goes xD
round badger
same system is nice but definitely not mandatory imo
you pay for what, one extra facility? its not that big of a deal i find
hearty shale
no supply lines seems quite good
and especially in the early stages, where I need to defend it
buuut not a now thing anyway
round badger
im looking raven, and i think the modder who made the big fuck off railcanon took their stuff down 😦
fleet glen
oh dear was it president matt damon
the guy who thought it was funny to put crashcode in his mods
well whatever case thats lame
ohhh or do you mean superweapons arsenal?
round badger
no no it was a faction
their schtick was super high armour, crappy shields, and rail weapons
hearty shale
Abundant volatiles on the gas giant :D
serene viper
oh is that no atmo that is very nice if you get that one colony item
Catalytic core
serene viper
Abundant volatiles on the gas giant :D
Brrrrrrrrrr.
fleet glen
yeah i was sure thats the one lol
hearty shale
There is this one nebula over... 😅
round badger
yeahhhhh idk about that one
hearty shale
Moderate ore, rich rare ore... But also 250% hazard
round badger
if im gonna accept hazard ratings that high, it needs to have crazy abundance
hearty shale
Even richer xD
round badger
moderate just is not good enough for the costs you will be facing
serene viper
Both of those are kinda bad...
round badger
i know, but
hearty shale
but yea... kinda not enough?
round badger
im picky citrea
serene viper
None of them have no atmo tho 😦
serene viper
That's toxic atmo
round badger
yeah thats tough
serene viper
It's good but also... bad...
round badger
roadtrain im blind af, what was the expanded sector mod called
hearty shale
And it's right next to the system with the remnant nexus 😅
and has a high warning beacon
serene viper
roadtrain im blind af, what was the expanded sector mod called
I dunno, I don't play with that lmao
round badger
heck
hearty shale
random entity just made a slipstream
serene viper
I usually don't settle until I explore the sector or I find an amazing system.
hearty shale
ah, they're temporary, good
round badger
hows that for a sector?
serene viper
That do be big.
round badger
doesnt it just make you want to gas tf up and go out to explore the furthest reaches of space?
hearty shale
Oh
I could buy an aurora cruiser
and I think I should
now, it will take most of my funds
but that is a cruiser
and would finally give me some staying power
and I could get tempests as well...
Aurora Get
serene viper
I really want to get my hands on an invictus...
But legion is good for now. Need a second hammer barrage though.
round badger
serene viper
Oh god I remember that one... but dunno where it's from.
serene viper
thats literally a gigantic space missile
I know Luddic Enhancement has an IED add-on which gives the pathers access to IED fuel ships.
round badger
yeah idr either, pretty sure it was a bounty reward tho
or not a reward, but if you didnt mess it up too badly you could salvage it
oh frick im a moron
i see why i was lagging so bad now >.>
you have to readjust your vmparams after every update dont you
round badger
youve got to be fucking kidding me
uhhhhhhhh roadtrain
how would i acquire my activation code
serene viper
@round badger In the email that got sent to you. Alternatively just send alex an email with the email you used to buy starsector and he'll send you the key again.
round badger
thats the problem
it was purchased for me as a gift from someone im not on good terms with anymore
serene viper
I gotchu.
round badger
is there any way i can prove it cuz i dont want to bother alex unnecessarily
serene viper
starsector keys have unlimited uses.
round badger
i dont even remember the guys email, the one who bought it for me i mean
we dont usually do first.lastname as emails
round badger
that wont fuck up your copy?
round badger
sseths? 😛
serene viper
Starsector keys have unlimited uses.
Yep.
... I might have to go look up the video...
round badger
i think i tried to use it before and it didnt go through
so the ex-homie bought it for me 😛
serene viper
It's been working for me.
If it no longer works tbh I'd be fine with that.
I want to buy this game legit.
round badger
its been on this rig basically since i bought it
i wouldnt mind getting it again, 🤷 not like i personally paid the first time, but i dont have the cash rn
round badger
i just downloaded the update
serene viper
It didn't do that for me.
round badger
😦 i havent played it in a while either
ive missed maybe 2 big updates?
it deleted my existing files but i figured that was just for the overwrites
hearty shale
my cruiser is a flashlight
round badger
all power to beams!
hearty shale
:D
basically, "You must keep your shields up at all times
And then the phase lances hit xD
round badger
BZZZZYOOOM
hearty shale
also, tempest frigates are pretty good xD
round badger
no ur pretty good
hearty shale
Pew
hearty shale
cruiser good :D
hearty shale
heh
can't quite fight stations yet, but most regular pirate fleets are no longer an issue
serene viper
Sadly not no atmo tho 😦
round badger
yeeee
i was gonna salvage this atlas but degraded drive, erratic fuel injector, and compromised storage
serene viper
I'd still take it. I have one that's worse. I'll trade it up eventually... or I'll get hull restoration.
round badger
oh shit
have yall uh, found naga yet?
is that new vanilla or mod
dont want to post a photo in case of spoiler
round badger
im just finishing my second salvage run and ive already run up close to a half mil
serene viper
Flux neutrality ftw.
serene viper
Tbh I rarely buy ships.
Though I will probably pick up a salvage rig soon.
But yeah I am really happy with my legion build. I'm thinking I might shunt it.
fleet glen
looks ok
serene viper
Then again Legion does have the flux for the shield whereas the onslaught does not lmao.
serene viper
...
fleet glen
the caps seem unnecessary given how much armour the 14th legion has
serene viper
I have these...
fleet glen
with that much op actually you could use something like tridents
make it more of a strike platform
serene viper
I'm captaining this and I am absolutely going to get right into the thick of it.
I also lack tridents.
round badger
im about to get a prometheus as my first big buy
soon as it gets around to posting, yall can be jealous af of my fleet
serene viper
Don't ask about the kite. I've been too lazy to drop it off.
round badger
serene viper
HOOOOLY SALVAGE POTENTIAL.
Jesus christ my dude now I see how you're getting that much salvage LMAO
round badger
still in the first year pretty sure
this is my strat man
i go in hard at the start, sell the crap ships, only take quality etc, buy big
theres a phoca on sale here but it has so many dmods ;-;
serene viper
Buy it.
Don't let the orange lines scare you.
I assume you're industry skill maxxing so u should be able to get hull restoration.
That's... at least 24k luddites.
Oh, mighty brick. One day you shall be mine...
round badger
ok whats the deal with these fucking planets that have all the asteroid destroying satellites
is this important later or is it just lategame loot
serene viper
ok whats the deal with these fucking planets that have all the asteroid destroyi...
Uhhh what
round badger
Hmmmmmm
Either spoiler or mod then I won't say more
Oh my god wtf am I supposed to do with 30k ore?
And 15k metal smh
serene viper
Oh my god wtf am I supposed to do with 30k ore?
Mining station moment:
round badger
even with the atlas i just picked up im having a hard time doing more than one system before having to go home
fleet glen
ok whats the deal with these fucking planets that have all the asteroid destroyi...
the planets with junk around them? that usually means they have ruins
serene viper
It's armed satellites
OHHHH
Artillery stations!
At least I presume that's it. You got industrial evolution?
Anyway. Sleep.
round badger
No
Its like 10+ surrounding it ibhavent fought them yet because I'm still on salvage
fleet glen
maybe ashes of the domain
round badger
ho ho ho i love the intensity of skimming right between remnant fleets on running silent
Riding straight through an asteroid ring, their fleets close enough to touch
round badger
idk if this is gonna bite me in the ass, but i have three fleets .... shadowing me
holy fuck scratch that, make it five
hearty shale
Do you break thermodynamics and get more salvage than it takes to build those ships?
serene viper
When it takes weeks to get where I'm going I want a lot of storage space
S-mod expanded cargo holds on them atlasses.
It gives you so much more cargo space.
serene viper
And I have a mod that gives an external cargo space hmod
Could also give all of them surveying equipment that gives you survey reductions.
round badger
What I need is a warp tender or a drive upgrade. 16 max burn is too low for me
serene viper
What I need is a warp tender or a drive upgrade. 16 max burn is too low for me
I am fine with 16 tbh. Did you get the skill that ups burn by 2 for logi ships?
serene viper
No. I needed the militarized subsystems
Ew. Just get insulated engine assembly instead.
round badger
Booooooooo
serene viper
why boo? It's the better choice.
fleet glen
if you didnt carry ten thousand metal everywhere youd have a lot more storage
and ore is so worthless i dont even know if youd get your fuel money back
but, you might argue its wasteful to dump so much metals into space, which i couldnt argue with
serene viper
Time to start scouring the system for paladins... as have an anubis in DIRE need of them.
round badger
in my defense, one of my mods gives me shipboard refineries as hull mods
so i can slowly turn those ores into metals, into other shit. Its not very fast so the extra return isnt great, and i still dont actually carry ores but the metal conversion is still nice. I never carry more than 5k of any one item at a time though
serene viper
can u turn them into supplies?
fleet glen
evn so i dont feel like metals are worth it
oh well turning metals into other stuff, i guess that changes things
yeah
round badger
its not a huge amount, and its every 3 days
but im not just going to eject thousands of credits into space when thats also worth rep on the open market
especially if i have a pirate base bounty in the region i can sell it on the black market first hue hue hue
serene viper
Sell, raid, murder.
round badger
ive only got two real combat ships crrently tho
serene viper
bruh do paladins just not exist anymore I went through so many markets not a single one's selling smh
round badger
also i tried fighting one of those anti asteroid satellites?
holy. fuck.
it started firing at me the moment i entered the map, its frigging insane. Definitely need some capitals to take it on, not just what i have
fleet glen
bruh do paladins just not exist anymore I went through so many markets not a sin...
they feel really rare yeah
fleet glen
it started firing at me the moment i entered the map, its frigging insane. Defin...
yeah those pd stations are no joke gotta be harder than faction station fights. i remember all my frigates just got absolutely pelted
round badger
it took me more than a minute to make my approach under that fire too
glad i saved beforehand lol
fleet glen
its very necessary with mods
serene viper
YES
round badger
oh right those things
serene viper
Did somebody say point defense?
fleet glen
oooh high scatter is a choice
i think i would have opted for the range boost
using the buffed sparks i see, their weapon got changed from high delay to normal
serene viper
oooh high scatter is a choice
HSA is funny af because this thing gets temporal shell.
Meaning it can absolutely UNLOAD.
round badger
i dont have it open rn, but in my current run i found a pirate version of the plasma cannon
round badger
iirc its red, less efficient, and faster firing 😛
fleet glen
oh yeha you gotta build that in
serene viper
I DON'T HAVE THE HULL MOD NOOO
fleet glen
i buy any hullmod i see in the shops
but especially that one
i looooooov eexpanding my mags
round badger
shops have hullmods?
that I didnt sell them? you gotta frequent more black holes my captain
serene viper
Exploration is on the agenda yes. I just uhhh had to beat up a certain big guy near Hybrasil.
Big lady rather. She sings...
fleet glen
id usually think emp resist would be the way instead
s modded repair unit for instant repairs
serene viper
Yeah... probably. But ehhh.
serene viper
Hardened shields.
fleet glen
for that i think just resistant flux conduits is probably enough. youd likely already be using hardened shields so not many arcs get through
hardened shields + resistant conduits for high tech, the trio for anything else
serene viper
Problem: I had neither of those.
fleet glen
yea
serene viper
So I opted for the alternative: spam PD
round badger
hardened shields is one of my favourites for defensive ships