Factorio

[topaz tide]

perhaps im just not very creative :p

[dapper monolith]

i have wrote more code for it than might be sane... and I'm refactoring some of it to deal with some of the more advanced stuff

[topaz tide]

hmhm figuring out the circuit logic for my oil cracking

thinking of using a selector combinator to select which oil is the largest amount

so if heavy oil is too big, crack it to light, and if petrol is too big, stop cracking light oil to petrol

and petrol cracking will be active while petrol is not the most

and what to do if petrol is full...

well, petrol should always be used for circuits and plastic and all that, so it shouldnt be full

light oil is used pretty often so heavy oil is likely to be in excess mostly

i think this system should work

[hearty meteor]

I've usually only done a version either just being the simple: if heavy over x then crack to light, if light over x then crack to petroleum

[topaz tide]

yea i was thinking of that but im not sure how big my buffer will be

[hearty meteor]

There's also the possibility to have it such that each check on value adds 1 to the value of a "checking" signal, and then "opening" the valves when a given signal strength is achieved

[rigid bramble]

Make petrol into fuel blocks

[topaz tide]

that would be the least ideal way to use petrol

im going to pretend that petrol will be naturally used and won't be the bottleneck of the system

[hearty meteor]

You use the amount of fluid in a specific tank, it'll be the same as the level in all the other tanks, regardless of how many there are

So you go for a percentage of filled, really

[rigid bramble]

Pass it around some burner inverters...

[topaz tide]

again that would be wasting oil

id rather not

yea thats a good idea khaylain but i think ill trial using a selector

[rigid bramble]

That oil you can make infinite with coal xD

[topaz tide]

id still rather use it for something useful

[hearty meteor]

Isn't oil just inifinite to begin with?

[rigid bramble]

You can get oil in space I think, but I forget how

[topaz tide]

on vulcanus its a finite resource

that being coal

[hearty meteor]

Oh, it's on Vulcanus?

[topaz tide]

yea im doing a big coal liquefaction plant

[rigid bramble]

Just prod it

[topaz tide]

thanks for your input duffelfish i have infact already done that

[hearty meteor]

Can you barrel oil and send it to Vulcanus? XD

[topaz tide]

do you have any other helpful suggestions

lol that sounds awful

[rigid bramble]

Prod it harder..

[topaz tide]

good idea

ill need to set up a safe word for it though

that sounds quite complicated to do with circuits

[rigid bramble]

I just wonder how much oil you need that you're low on coal, on vulcanus

[topaz tide]

more

always more

anyway its fun to optimmize

im playing factorio arent i

[rigid bramble]

Sounds like you should be playing PYs

[hearty meteor]

PyBlock

[topaz tide]

ive tried py actually it was pretty fun

i stopped just after getting a forestry i think

[rigid bramble]

We still haven't got Seablock in 2.0 yet

[hearty meteor]

Seablock in 1.1.110 will do fine [/Qui-Gon Jinn]

[rigid bramble]

No

Something something fluid mechanics

[topaz tide]

ehh fluids arent thaat much of an issue

like, pre 2.0

but theyre definitely much nicer now

[rigid bramble]

They really are, unless you're super anal about construction order

I had three machines on one fluid producer, one machine got 90% of the product, another at 10%, and the third got nothing

And BA has a lot more fluids, and that's before you solely use washing for ores ala Seablock

[topaz tide]

surely they'd just buffer up right

[rigid bramble]

Each one should get 33% of the product, but that isn't how it works in 1.0

Also, that infinite throughput with 2.0

[topaz tide]

sure, but you can fix throughput issues with pumps

and while they should get 33%, they'll buffer up and work just the same shouldnt they

[rigid bramble]

The 10% was the throughput limit

The point is it didn't evenly distribute fluids

[topaz tide]

didnt quite anticipate my oil build taking up so much of the space

i was planning to have something above it

but itll have to go below lol

wonder why they didnt let roboports' areas scale with quality

[rigid bramble]

You just need Bob's roboports

[topaz tide]

if i werent playing vanilla that would be nice

[rigid bramble]

I'm not sure which modpack has the roboports

But there is a nuclear powered robot too, that never need to recharge

[umbral meteor]

essentially T5 Bob's is fusion/nuclear

there IS a standalone mod for Nuclear/Fusion bots as well

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/FusionPoweredRobots

[rigid bramble]

Then there is also the option with bobs to forego roboports, and instead play with extenders, recharge pads, and boxes

[umbral meteor]

seems the fusion one with bobs is T4

unless there is an addon that goes above T4 for fusion

[rigid bramble]

I thought it was T5, it's the same as T4, but doesn't need to recharge

[umbral meteor]

Yeah, that's what i seem to remember as well

hmm, bob's has been updated to 2.0, soooo Seablock 2 soon? 😄

[hearty meteor]

Soon (tm)

[umbral meteor]

™

[rigid bramble]

BA has been 2.0 for a month or so

[topaz tide]

hope the seablock person is still seablocking

or someone else can make a fork for 2.0

[rigid bramble]

Though I have a feeling we won't be seeing Bob's planets

Though tbh, you could try seablock with 2.0 BA

[topaz tide]

osha inspector has arrived o.o

[hearty meteor]

Not Angels, AFAIK

[topaz tide]

wow he's getting a really good look

i almost thought id violated his territory

[hearty meteor]

Nice field, bro

[rigid bramble]

Pretty sure Angels had been signed off on 2.0 too

Bit awkward to check on my phone, and the fact it's not under Kiwihawk's name

[umbral meteor]

really need angels as well really

[rigid bramble]

Well I thought they were done

[umbral meteor]

still at 1.1

except "%modname% graphics" mods

[hearty meteor]

Not according to his updates

[rigid bramble]

Emphasis on the 'I thought' xD

I wouldn't have thought the artisan reskins would care what version factorio is, so long as the object, function, and class names match

[topaz tide]

bots are buzy

this seems like a nice amount of storage

[topaz tide]

so update on how the selector combinating is going

its jammed :DDDDD

this is probably because i havent set up anything to use my prodigious amounts of oil for

[dapper monolith]

seem i need to up my steel prod again 😂 one day i will have enough of everything...

[topaz tide]

ugghhh whyy

im just realising how pointless this giant oil plant is

because gleba already makes free plastic which is like most of the oil demand

what am i even still doing here on vulcanus

[hearty meteor]

I thought it was because you liked Vulcanus

[topaz tide]

actually it was worth it this looks so cool

[rigid bramble]

whistles innocently

[bitter lark]

You have a big train gridlock up north.... Unless that's a queue system?

[topaz tide]

i did find that lol

just missed a signal

the whole rail network is still in progress as is evident

ive seen people make these swirlies for storing gigantic trains but i cant figure it out

i wanna use it for buffers for my giant coal trains

[rigid bramble]

I have just had a sudden urge to play Seablock again, but on 1.1

[topaz tide]

do it

[hearty meteor]

Do it

[rigid bramble]

But forza horizon 3

[hearty meteor]

But SeaBlock!

[rigid bramble]

But seablock 2.0

Though does a 1.1 separate install still take from the same mod folder?

But then Bob's got updated

[rigid bramble]

oh you know what else is good regarding Bobs and 2.0
you can request specific bots to specific roboports, so you can take them out and upgrade them

[hearty meteor]

If you use a separate install like the zip files from factorio.com it'll be a totally independent mod folder

[rigid bramble]

hmm, installing mods sounds complicated

[hearty meteor]

It's only complicated if you want to use the same factorio.exe to start all the differently modded saves, IMO

[rigid bramble]

I'm just used to the ingame menu doing it all for me

[hearty meteor]

It'll work fine that way on an independent install too

You'll have to log in with the account you have at factorio.com /mods.factorio.com to get them directly through the ingame menu

[rigid bramble]

I do need to get my head around having a 'mod' folder instead of merging the files manually

[hearty meteor]

I don't understand what you mean. What have you been doing manually?

[rigid bramble]

the oldschool method of modding is replacing and merging files

rather than a folder that over-rides the original files with the new modded files

but doesn't actually change the original file

[hearty meteor]

Well, Factorio always did the override, and I reckon it's the superior way to do it

[rigid bramble]

even before the ingame mod manager thingy?

[hearty meteor]

I think so, but I can't really remember a time when it didn't have the in-game mod manager

[rigid bramble]

something something 0.16 bobs mods

[hearty meteor]

It's really only when a game hasn't made efforts to be moddable that one has to replace/edit files, IMO

[rigid bramble]

you can always write a tool to do it, like with the STALKER games

[hearty meteor]

But it's still replacing/editing the files, yes?

[rigid bramble]

the JSGME tool does it how factorio does, you tell it which mods in the mods folder to activate

for stalker you only have to merge and edit files if you want to use more than one mod at the same time (if they both edit the same file like)

but its a still a bit of a murky concept to me

[topaz tide]

isnt there a way to use betas to go back versions

steam wise

[hearty meteor]

Yup

Though you could also get the different version from factorio.com

[rigid bramble]

I didn't think factorio had a steam beta for that, like Rimworld has/had

Though it would be better to have a separate version not tied to steam

[topaz tide]

would i be able to do that if i only have factorio from steam and not from factorio's website

ah nevermind they already covered that in the faq

[umbral meteor]

i'm certain i've mentioned doing this multiple times xD
why my hours on steam has not increased beyond ~2600h,
even though i'm at this point is somewhere between 4000h and 5000h

😝

[topaz tide]

are those separate installs for all of those???

[umbral meteor]

yup

[topaz tide]

wowie

i approve of your organization

its nice that factorio is a small enough game where doing that isnt the death of your drive's space

i think each install of base factorio is only about 2gb

hm maybe closer to 5

[umbral meteor]

still takes forever to copy though, SO MANY SMALL FILES

[topaz tide]

heh yeah id imagine

i definitely wish it was easier to organize saves in factorio normally

i know you can make folders and stuff but steam's cloud saving stuff is kinda messy and when i move stuff into a folder, i think steam backs up the saves i intentionally deleted so i have copies of them everywhere

anything that wasnt already in a folder just lives wherever it was

[umbral meteor]

Yeah, to actually delete saves you have to do it inside the game,
that way it will sync with steam cloud

Or, the other way is to organize and delete saves while the game is running through steam

as the sync happens after you then close the game

do note, standalone instances is not affected by steam cloud, as they store mods and saves in their local folder.

[topaz tide]

do standalones still auto update and everything?

[umbral meteor]

yes and no.
you can turn the update off in game, but normally they will ask you if you want to update when you lanuch the game

and you can still click a "not now" button

mod uptades are in game anyways, so they work the same

[topaz tide]

thats perfect

[umbral meteor]

there is a caveat though, to update/install mods, you need a user account on factorio.com
but as discussed in here earlier making one is free, and then you link it to steam to verify ownership of game/dlc.

[rigid bramble]

ah you can login into factorio.com with steam

[rigid bramble]

but I still need an account to login to get mods

[dapper monolith]

only if you don't wanna download/update them all manually, i believe 🙂

[rigid bramble]

and who would want to do that

[dapper monolith]

... I do sometimes 😛

[umbral meteor]

you actually need a valid account to log into the mod portal as well,
BUT you do not need a valid license to the game linked to manually download mods iirc

ingame however you do need one, same if you are going to play multiplayer, for the most part

if private server you play on does not have the "verify account" ticked, then you can play unlicensed

[hearty meteor]

You do need a valid license to the game to download from the mod portal. Some mods have links to their GitHub repository, though

You do not need a valid license for Space Age to download Space Age specific mods, though. Which I find somewhat weird.

[rigid bramble]

its not like you can use SA specific mods on the original version anyway

kinda why I think SE and Pys and Seablock will stay on 2.0, and not get an SA version

[hearty meteor]

No, but if someone got SA through extracurricular activities then they could download and use those mods if they only had the base

[rigid bramble]

we're talking Wube here, not any of the AAA studios xD

[hearty meteor]

Earendel (developer of SE) has explicitly stated they won't be compatible with nor require SA, AFAIK

[rigid bramble]

more people can use a 2.0 mod than a SA mod

[hearty meteor]

KiwiHawk has also explicitly stated Seablock won't require SA or any of the official mods, although it will probably get compatibility with quality and elevated rails (without any balancing for those)

AFAIK Py developers have stated they want to make an SA version, but always keep a version that doesn't require it

[rigid bramble]

I think Bob's or Angels quality would be a mod in of itself

Pys is getting Stellar Expedition iirc

unknown if it'll use the SA gubbins

(though you need to own SA if you want elevated rails or quality)

[topaz tide]

wouldnt quality just replace the existing system where they just have a bunch of upgrade tiers of buildings, so instead of all that you just have quality be your upgrades

[rigid bramble]

You don't want a rare T1 ore sorting machine?

the different tiers really just let you do more complex things

like a T1 ore sorter only lets you do the basic sorting for copper and iron, you need a T4 if you want to be able to sort platinum

its more than just does thing faster

(and they need more advanced materials)
so its not the same sideways progression, I'd say it was more vertical(?)

[topaz tide]

hm yeah maybe i missed a bit

i was thinking of how theres just direct upgrades of stuff like steam boilers, which could be replaced with quality

[hearty meteor]

Nope, AFAIK Bobs and Angels is going to keep their Tiering and not care about quality (beyond making it compatible)

[topaz tide]

yeah that makes sense i was just imagining that they could, theoretically if they wanted, use quality for that instead

[hearty meteor]

But yeah, the different actual things they can do also is a thing

[rigid bramble]

the upper tiers are full upgrades, as I say upwards progression rather than sideways

[hearty meteor]

They possibly could have used quality for that too, come to think of it. Depends on how the quality mechanic actually is set up, but I've seen that the grabby arms for space get more arms with higher quality

[rigid bramble]

thats like an odd case, but the number of arms is a stat
ultimately an epic quality and a common quality use the same materials

[rigid bramble]

just fluids 1.1 things

[umbral meteor]

Doind a Factorio 2.0 Bob's Mods run duff?

[rigid bramble]

Seablock 1.1

pretty sure they crystalliser is an Angels building

not 2.0, hence the comment about 1.1 fluids xD

0.1 of a fluid has absconded

[rigid bramble]

12hrs in and I've almost got proper iron smelting

[topaz tide]

awesome

[rigid bramble]

and I've lost 0.1 molten iron

also a random amount of my slag slurry

[rigid bramble]

ohhh I got second science automated before 18hrs

[rigid bramble]

paging tin

[rigid bramble]

all this just to make my undergrounds a useful length

I'm kinda amazed I fit it all in that gap perfectly

[rigid bramble]

also my word, filter inserters from the start with 2.0, no need to set up advanced circuits with solder and stuff

[umbral meteor]

hmmm, Bob's mods is not only compatible with 2.0, but also with SA.
wonder what they will do with the other planets

and ofc, i can't do a Bob's mods (or Bob's angels for that matter) run without Factorissimo and Warehousing xD

[rigid bramble]

Probably no interaction with the other planets

Though you know angels has the new ore types
But then you do need tin AND lead to make bobs t2 circuits

[umbral meteor]

bob's has new ore types

[rigid bramble]

I mean the ores you have to sort

Rubyte, Bobmonium etc

[umbral meteor]

Tin, Lead and all those are ores from bob's
However, when you combine with Angels you get "Bobmonium" and so on

downside with just bobs, you get LOADS of different ore patches

[rigid bramble]

I mean VBZ has new smeltable ores too

Might be why angels stuck to sorting just the 6 ores

[umbral meteor]

that is, IF you include the "Bob's Ores" part of the mods

[rigid bramble]

I think they are typically designed to be used together
While VBZ is iirc a complete pack

[umbral meteor]

Bob's are designed to be used together, but some of them are optional,
so you can have the full Bob's mods experience but with just Vanilla ores

if you REALLY want to cheese it, you can skip Bob's Enemies, but have Bob's Equipment/Vehicle Equipment xD

[rigid bramble]

I like to use just bobs enemies sometimes

Maybe possibly with rampant arsenal

[rigid bramble]

halp
how does one import a blueprint string?

[bitter lark]

Should be a button for it next to the toolbar.
Seems like that button is disabled because you've not researched robots yet.

If you want to "bypass" the research requirement, create a [whatever Factorio's term for creative mode] save, import it there to your library, not the game's library... And you should be able to fetch it in your actual save.

[rigid bramble]

yeah I don't remember the construction robots being a hard condition

[bitter lark]

The game tells you otherwise. 😄

[rigid bramble]

or maybe they fixed that in 2.0

[bitter lark]

Probably.

[rigid bramble]

hmmmmm

[topaz tide]

huh never had that

is it just, you need to unlock robots once in any save and then you can use it forever?

[rigid bramble]

someone said that in another discord, which makes sense for my virgin 1.1.1.1.0 install

as for the error I guess exporting them without the mods active is going to mess them up

[topaz tide]

maybe just make a vanilla save in that install and get bots

or even a sandbox save

that might be the fastest way

[rigid bramble]

just create a new factory, that isn't seablock wooo

or just copy the file with the blueprints in across

[topaz tide]

well if you do sandbox and research everything that should do the trigger

and then you can just go back and have blueprints in your normal save

[rigid bramble]

you can alt + B just fine, make blueprints, make blueprint books, place blueprints, edit blueprints
just not import string

[topaz tide]

well, try doing the sandbox thing and maybe you'll be able to import

[rigid bramble]

Or do this

[topaz tide]

did it work?

[rigid bramble]

well its just overwriting a file

it was mostly just to see how I had done concrete and what techs i need to unlock

[topaz tide]

did it work?

[rigid bramble]

yes, there is no reason why it shouldn't xD

the problem is now I'm going to use them, I just wanted to look at one

[topaz tide]

ok well let me know when you try it

[rigid bramble]

but that is probably why the restriction, they want you to try things out first

[umbral meteor]

👀

[umbral meteor]

yes, blueprints mase with mods, mainly that includes modded parts, even if only icons,
will fail to import into a game without said mods installed.

[rigid bramble]

but what if you export them without the mods active..

[umbral meteor]

doesn't matter if they were created using modded items

[rigid bramble]

I'd have thought it would import fine, just wouldn't show the modded items?

like I say, copying the entire blueprint file worked

[umbral meteor]

yes, copying thr actual file includes the data from the mods, even if they are not active,
export/import using string is different

[umbral meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1mtJ8_qWEQ

well then....

[rigid bramble]

I suppose you can't actually do quality promethium science

also, still haven't got that steel setup in seablock

emagerd finally

[umbral meteor]

it's a steal!

[rigid bramble]

only takes 55hrs!

[rigid bramble]

But why is the copper gone

[umbral meteor]

well, bob's done, angels next, Seablock for 2.0 in 6 months then? xD

[rigid bramble]

I've heard that kiwihawk is making Angels work with SA

[umbral meteor]

Bob's for SA more or less just came out

Angels is next, then Seablock

[rigid bramble]

Bobs is only 2.0 though?

it doesn't need SA
though neither does Angels, but I think the latter has more precedent to be split in 4

[umbral meteor]

it doesn't need SA, but at the same time it works with SA

[topaz tide]

ooo bob's inserter configuration might end up with some neat builds with space age stuff

[rigid bramble]

what I mean with Angels in SA, is actually making use of SA, not just spawning it all on Nauvis

though on bob's ores there is this

I mean you can run bobs with SA, but I wouldn't advise it

though stuff like bobs inserters is fine

also this exists, if you can make any sense of it
https://github.com/Arch666Angel/mods/commits/dev2.0/

[rigid bramble]

riddle me this, I make 300 hydrogen in 2s, but I need 350 hydrogen in 3s
you would think I have a surplus of 100, yet I do not have enough

[umbral meteor]

because you make 400 in 4 seconds, not 3 xD

unless you build up a buffer first

also, 1.1 pipe mechanics...

[hearty meteor]

Given the numbers duff wrote wouldn't it be making 600 hydrogen in 4 seconds?
300 / 2 = 150, 150 * 3 = 450, 450 > 350

But if it's the first startup then if only one cycle of making hydrogen happens then it would get starved, yes. Usually that's not the big problem, IIRC.

[topaz tide]

just gotta buffer it out

hopefully when seablock 2.0 is out that wont be a problem

i wonder if theres a mod to change the fluid system for older versions

[umbral meteor]

yes, but 9am no sleep +adhd brain xD

[hearty meteor]

Fair enough XD

[topaz tide]

you're doing great zang

[rigid bramble]

yes 1.1 fluid mechanics are rubbish xD

and I had been running many cycles before i gave up, tore it down and went back to drip feeding charcoal pellets

I might just have to reduce the amount of boilers being fed so that they always run, and make another charcoal pellet production

I think honestly I tripped up on the better boilers, again

[rigid bramble]

the beans are calling...

but I can't do beans cus I need the friggin plant DNA stuff to unlock the ability to grow them
I really hate the angels tech tree for this kinda stuff - you unlock the end product before the intermediary products

and I can't do oil cus you need sulphuric waste water, and that is again a later tech

[rigid bramble]

More liquorice sticks it is then

[hasty flower]

ok i thought i was starting to understand train interrupts but I've got a train sitting in station with the full cargo wait condition that is flickering green rapidly.

any ideas?

[hasty flower]

Ah..... well.... I did say I was starting to understand... hey any other new players helpful tip when you are using circuit conditions for interrupts. Make sure that a station reading cargo isn't the same circuit info as your interrupt without first deselecting send to train.... loading two types of cargo that are both circuit conditions causes the above video issue lol

[dapper monolith]

You could try latching the signal for more than one tick using an LR latch 🙂

[dapper monolith]

why is the iron plates alwes gone!

[hasty flower]

For science purposes.... how many levels of bot speed would you need to research to not see them move at 60fps? Idk why my brain is the way that it is but I need to know

[umbral meteor]

i actually don't know, but at 1400 something they do become invisible xD

😝

[hasty flower]

I'd say that's the same effect I was looking for lol

Instant teleportation bots!

[umbral meteor]

i don't know the actual threshold, i used mods in a test game to juust massively boost the tech level xD

so i had speed at 1400+ when i stopped

and yeah, instant teleport, you only see them when they stop at a chest/building/charge/charge queue

[hasty flower]

Well I was just sitting here with higher quality legs and normal bots that couldn't keep up and I went I need to research bot speed... I wonder lol

[umbral meteor]

Instant Research + Auto Research = Tech Levels go BRRRRRR!

[umbral meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03E4xsLaIhI

[umbral meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emAOS4Tsv5w

[topaz tide]

ohh yess my favourite time of the month, dosh time

[dapper monolith]

I see a distinct lack of factory growth, seem i have been failing to grow 😂

[topaz tide]

thats alright happens to the best of us

my factory must be rusted by now ive been away so long

[hasty flower]

Prepping for aquilo not sure what to bring so building a ship to bring it all and then supply carbon from orbit to keep the furnaces running

[umbral meteor]

Only for a little while, check out the Solid Fuel from the "water" on Aquilo,
which you can easily then turn to rocket fuel, UNLIMITED POWER!

example

This creates it's own power+, and solid fuel for heating.

[rigid bramble]

One day Aavak will get there

[umbral meteor]

ofc, this is from my end game base, so almost everything is Legendaey xD

[hasty flower]

The way you have the heat pipes makes me curious to get to aquilo and test it out myself

[umbral meteor]

ALL machines and most items will freeze unless they have a heat pipe next to them,

[hasty flower]

Read that in the tips tab when researched. Just curious about distances and how many points of contact

[umbral meteor]

So belts, inserters will stop working and such, but it depends, some only need to be touched by one, others may needs multiple.
also the Burners themselves gives a larger radius of two tiles, while heat pipes gives one.

[hasty flower]

The phrasing here makes me want to ship bio science here to stockpile in cold storage lol

[umbral meteor]

and even pipes containing 1000 C steam will freeze unless next to a heat pipe, which is kinda dumb, but i assuem they just generalized

[hasty flower]

Yes my super hot got cold and can no longer flow but is still super hot

[umbral meteor]

yup xD

[hasty flower]

Feel like they may change that in a future patch someday. Or the moding community will have already done it lol

[umbral meteor]

but setting all pipes to freeze regardless, made for them to skip having to monitor what were in the pipes,
which i assume would cost more UPS and could cause lag

[hasty flower]

Oh most definitely and stops the logical steam cooled down and thus should be water again

[rigid bramble]

I don't think items or boxes freeze, but naturally the inserters and belts will

[umbral meteor]

Yeah, all movable "parts" freeze, solar panels won't

[rigid bramble]

that 10% efficiency though

[umbral meteor]

[hasty flower]

Well if my kids let me tend to the factory I should hopefully find out by Christmas lol

[umbral meteor]

🤣

Running at Aavaks pace i see

😝

[rigid bramble]

Aavak can play any time he wants, he told us so xD

[hasty flower]

I just need him to keep posting the vods so I can watch them on my lunch breaks lol

He finally made it to fulgora and it's great

[rigid bramble]

I think Roadtrain was saying they're catching up

[hasty flower]

Yeah I haven't seen him stream anything new in a while so there is like 5 or less streams left to post

[rigid bramble]

I think Fulgora was 3 streams, then about another 3 on nauvis, and last one ended on Vulcanus

last 3-4 would only be 6hr post-op streams

[hasty flower]

Yeah chat did him dirty going to gleba first lol the rest of the planets are going to feel supper quick

[rigid bramble]

idk, I'll bet he only spends all of one stream on Vulcanus

I daresay besides the worms, Vulcanus is boringly easy

mind you I did it without purple or yellow science

you go in with Uranium rounds and its no challenge

[hasty flower]

Yeah just come in with the glowing power of the sun and the worms disappear lol

[rigid bramble]

to think you can charge up a nuclear reactor with a heating tower

[dapper monolith]

why do i feel like my 600 hour base comes under this banner too 😂

[topaz tide]

https://youtu.be/HdMcEn3b55c?si=YNdIQ4-MgKldPlS-

very very interesting little design "competition" here for the most ups efficient red science build

i like how it's structured to give you time to consider yourself why something might be better

though personally im pretty clueless this is much more advanced than ive ever thought

[umbral meteor]

@rigid bramble xD

is that good enough?

[rigid bramble]

What are we doing now

[dapper monolith]

stuff?

[rigid bramble]

And things

[umbral meteor]

just making an OP Armor using the MK3+ Armor mod, it's MK4 has a bigger grid than Bob's MK6
also it includes a crazy expensive (and OP) power gen called "Shielded Singularity Generator" xD

[rigid bramble]

+200 slots seems a bit much

Does it work with SA and the backpack equipment?

[umbral meteor]

No, that's because of the Utility belts xD

bunch of Legendary ones

this is on SA

Armor + the SA equipment = +200 inventory slots

[rigid bramble]

I still don't see the point of the utility belt item xD
It doesn't shoot, doesn't make me run faster, doesn't generate power...

[umbral meteor]

but fills the bottom when grid is 25x25 😄

[rigid bramble]

See what you need is Lex's flying vehicles

Or w/e it's called

[umbral meteor]

oh, and there is only 4 sets of legs installed, for a total of +900% movement speed xD

[rigid bramble]

No bobs legs in vehicles though, they have their own equipment

[umbral meteor]

including guns 😄

we had SO much fun with making Wartrains using FARL

[dapper monolith]

ahhh good time that is 😄 then you just need some bots and you can have a war train protection facility on a death world 😄

[umbral meteor]

@rigid brambleeach utility belt gives +25 inventory

also, each generator gives 25 MW xD

[rigid bramble]

But why though

[umbral meteor]

perfect room at the bottom, as nothing else fits except the "belt immunity" which takes 1x1, but that's already in there

also, Bob's mods, you NEED all the inventory slots you can get xD

at least i do

[rigid bramble]

That's what logistics robots are for

[umbral meteor]

also, i have 5 shield modules which in total gives me 15k shield

😁

some roboports and batteries, everything else is MK6 lasers

[hallow steppe]

My goal with this run was to get some of the achievements I missed my first time through. Pretty happy with it. Working within tight space constraints on Nauvis without killing any biter nests was interesting.

[topaz tide]

oooh this is inspiring

maybe ill finally tackle the monster that is my base

so scary...

[dapper monolith]

tell me about it... its rought looking at a pile of blocks and not knowing what to do with them all 🙂

[hasty flower]

Is there a way to check event logs? I've been running my game over night to let science run and this is the second time my gleba platform has been gone in the morning and only my gleba one. The other planets are fine. They are all copies of each other too

[topaz tide]

huhh

[hasty flower]

Yeah weird. Save 10h ago platform running fine. Auto save 2h ago gone

Running uranium amo plus a return to navis under amo count

[topaz tide]

yeah that seems like it should run perfectly fine

maybe theres a ghost in the machine...

turning all your turrets off mysteriously

[hasty flower]

That's why I'm curious if there is an events log I can check to see what happened

[dapper monolith]

add a cond to tell it to move when the ship has zero ammo that way it will trigger the interrupt properly

[atomic aurora]

may I ask why uranium ammo? sees like it would take a lot of rockets dedicated to uranium ammo to keep multiple ships flying between planets, not to mention the load on uranium processing and availability

[rigid bramble]

Yeah yellow ammo is plenty for space rocks, imo

[atomic aurora]

red gives some additional security, but using uranium ammo anywhere except nauvis seems too much of a hassle

if one uranium made more than one green ammo magazine, I'd say there's an argument to be made, but it would have to be at least 10 per uranium

then you could ship up uranium instead, and have a healthy buffer

[hallow steppe]

One case I've found for exporting ammo is uranium tank shells for use against small and medium worms on Vulcanus, but not for the platforms themselves.

[rigid bramble]

coughRailguncough xD

[hallow steppe]

in late game sure, but you need to kill at least a few worms to get there.

[rigid bramble]

Wall of turrets for your first few to get titanium

Combat scaling is rather awkward imo

Since everything is effective on biters
Only rockets and tank shells really work on pentapods
And demos it's only DU shells and railgun

Non-explosive for the latter two also

Oh but nukes work on everything, even your own stuff

[atomic aurora]

yeah, resources on vucanus are so abundant, I only had to really deal with 3 or 4 small demos to get to end-game

[hasty flower]

New to the game so put resources high and enemy expansion low. Hence why I can run over night. Working on making my 2.0 platforms to be self sustained

[pliant crystal]

Hardly XD

[hallow steppe]

Well, at least one to get access to a tungsten deposit. Mass Turrets do work, but Uranium Tank Shells are a viable alternative if you have them available, and one of the few cases where I'd consider shipping ammo.

[rigid bramble]

It's just a bit silly though as Aavak found out
Speaking of... when are you going to explore Vulcanus some more Aavak? xD

[dapper monolith]

why not use uranium on ships 😂 theres enough for all of the space rocks

[topaz tide]

i did make a glorious cruiser powered by 2 reactors, it works very well

im not sure how much real power you can get out of them before ice from asteroids isnt enough, but it worked well for under 20mw

just because my ship never used that much

[dapper monolith]

i have been redoing my ships for 20+ hours i just keep doing other stuff instead 😄

[topaz tide]

its time to untangle the spaghetti

[dapper monolith]

🤤

i have been waiting on foundation before i get to sorting out the other planets 🙂

[topaz tide]

i just gotta get it up and running at all, last i was on i built too big too fast and got overwhelmed before setting any of the important exports up

[dapper monolith]

something tells me i might have and obsession with rail blocks...

[topaz tide]

it brings a tear to my eye

[dapper monolith]

its a bearly running base 😂

[topaz tide]

but one day it will be thriving and rife with delicious train traffic

[dapper monolith]

it been in that state longer than Aavaks gleb visit...

that said it need to take over my iron production soon or I'm goosed

[topaz tide]

closer to unspaghettified every day

[rigid bramble]

If it works, it works

Aavak only spent that long on Gleba cus he wanted it to be self sufficient for all the parts

[dapper monolith]

looking good 🙂

[topaz tide]

wew

[dapper monolith]

thats alot 😮

[topaz tide]

my base is overrun

[dapper monolith]

bots for years

[topaz tide]

big old block of stuff finished

produces buckets of circuits and rocket parts

now for the tungsten stuff

terrifying thought that i need more power

[topaz tide]

ohno

[rigid bramble]

Rip

[dapper monolith]

the all mighy blackout has struck once more

[hallow steppe]

Doing Roboport sized blocks myself. Found the tight clusters of machines in my upcycling builds to be a bit difficult to read so I put each set on it's own raised concrete platform.

[topaz tide]

ooo that looks nice

also that fluid bus looks super cool with the visualization

im not really doing blocks im just slapping stuff together

i aspire to be like dosh where he can just fit things in spaces rather than have big samey blocks

not saying there isnt art to it though i do love how they look

big fan of your concrete levels

[hallow steppe]

yeah, I've done both ways.

[topaz tide]

also wow that is a huuuge coal patch

did you travel super far out before making your base

[hallow steppe]

This is my starting zone on Vulcanus. I started with Railworld default settings, then bumped up the size and made them even further apart, but turned enemy expansion back on.

[topaz tide]

oh wow so that sjust how big it is with vulcanus' already massive coal patches

thats so cool

[hallow steppe]

It was 10Mish to start with and I've already eaten through ~20% of it. Gonna have to go wurm hunting eventually.

[hallow steppe]

You can add a 3rd layer with stone bricks, too. I ought to play with this a bit more, but I really like the natural terrain too.

[topaz tide]

it definitely adds a lot more life to your factory than just a flat concrete layer over everything

also super nice how you got your reactor to fit so well into your block

oo speaking of reactors since 2.0 you can make them so so fuel efficient reading temperature and how much fuel they have in them and stuff

big fan of that

[hallow steppe]

I used to manage fuel with a big steam buffer, glad I don't have to do that anymore. Unfortunately the last row of turbines stick past the top of the block if I build to ratio. I could just lose them, but my efficiency!

[hallow steppe]

As to fitting things in wherever you can, that's what space platforms excel at.

[bitter lark]

Nav lights!

[hallow steppe]

I was a sailor at one point after all.

[bitter lark]

Naval and aviation lights vary though. For one, you should have a blinky red one centrally. 😛

Bonus points if it only blinks when the engines are (about to) run(ning).

[hallow steppe]

I assume a Star Trek style Starfleet, with Naval ranks and customs.

[dapper monolith]

that is a good ship!

[bitter lark]

Fair enough.

[dapper monolith]

if you seen my ships they would make your cry, they are all bad real bad

[dapper monolith]

i think i might need a reactor upgrade 😂

[topaz tide]

oh i love putting little nav lights on my ships too

[topaz tide]

aaaahhh

[topaz tide]

more powahh

[topaz tide]

recipe view

i think all this makes about 5 of each rocket part a second

as well as plenty of circuits

this base is churning out a tier 3 speed module every second!

now for the tungsten industry i was putting off

im using 2MW of power for lamps lmao

[topaz tide]

even though those valleys mean catastrophic failure, i think they look cool

i wonder why it still uses up the chests at the sides first even with that giant balancer slapped onto it

guess ill get a bigger balancer

nice

[dapper monolith]

trains need snacks to!

[hallow steppe]

It took awhile to set up and work out all the logic, but I think it might be time to turn on Gleba.... (flag signal by my hub will turn on the ag towers, and heart activates my artillery.

[dapper monolith]

why did i try to do dynamic train limits 🥲 i feel as if i might have jumped in the deep end again

[hearty meteor]

@reef trench https://mods.factorio.com/user/pyanodon all the mods here
There's even https://mods.factorio.com/mod/PyBlock

[woeful geyser]

Oh my fucking God

[rigid bramble]

That's quite the response

[topaz tide]

reasonable

i wonder if anyone has even completed pyblock, theres few enough who have beat any variation of py

ive had a couple stabs at full py but maybe i should just do smaller amounts of py to have a more realistic chance of doing it

at least it's updated to 2.0 with all inserters having filters

though i think py might have done that itself as well

[rigid bramble]

Filtering out your ash? Nahh

[umbral meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhBV4Sk-4U0

xD

[hallow steppe]

Gleba tech unlocks upgrades to my ship design, allowing Aquilo travel with improved speed and cargo capacity. Can run at up to 400 km/s, though I limit to 300 outside the inner planets for safety.

[dapper monolith]

OH NO, SE just got it 0.7 update (2.0 compatibility) it seem i should say good bye to even more sleep

[topaz tide]

wow

[woeful geyser]

oh. dear. god.

[dapper monolith]

Wanna join a MP server? You too can loss all of your sleep! 😂

[woeful geyser]

Thanks, but I'll pass

[dapper monolith]

Probably better for you sanity...

[hasty flower]

I'd be interested in playing on a server but I'm doing good just trying to understand space age and barley have time to play so have to spend a lot of the time I do get remembering what I'm doing and how I managed to make it work in the first place lol

[umbral meteor]

Yeah, Space Age is Space Exploration Lite xD

[dapper monolith]

For stuff like that I would recommend A mod called todo List I find it handy when in away form bases for ages 🙂

to be honest i probably would only be a weekend server i might wait for 0,8 as its due to change quite abit

[hallow steppe]

I just had to add the appropriate decorative element to my biter egg upcycling farm:

[rigid bramble]

Nice

[dapper monolith]

I don't think the kids yearned for the farms this much... 😂

[hallow steppe]

Churns through 2400 normal quality eggs per minute to produce 2 legendary. Hardly efficient, but cheap, and I can always scale it up if needed.

[dapper monolith]

still a good block

next thing I'm gonna do when i play next will be to redo my recycling blocks wanna get a good flow of iron,copper and steel coming from vulcanus, it will be a pure monster once its done 😂

[hallow steppe]

And there's the inevitable hiccup in Bioflux delivery... At least my contingency plans were sufficient to handle the incident until I fixed the issue.

[dapper monolith]

good times

[topaz tide]

gonna do some more py

this time im doing "short py" which perhaps ill get far in

[dapper monolith]

that flow chart makes it look easy

[topaz tide]

it really does

[rigid bramble]

Just the 100hrs until you get splitters xD

[topaz tide]

actually with short py theres no changes to circuits so you can get miners and logistics and those nice things quickly

[rigid bramble]

Isn't 100hrs in Py proper quick?

[woeful geyser]

Oh shit you can apparently hook splitters up to circuits now?

[dapper monolith]

i have need this for so long 😮

[topaz tide]

no i mean i just played a little bit of it and they are unchanged from vanilla. i played for maybe 2 hours and had the ability to automate the first science

it does feel kinda weird though, i have more stuff than i expect to have

[rigid bramble]

Is that in short py or long py?

[topaz tide]

short py

i feel like circuits could be done in a somewhat decent amount of time in long py now i've played it a few times

[rigid bramble]

100hrs in long py is short xD

[topaz tide]

maybe 20 or 40hrs

yesd

[rigid bramble]

Of your 1000 total hours

[winter yacht]

Is someone down to multiplayer of Pyanodons Industry?

[dapper monolith]

I'd be game for a bit of it 😂 what could go wrong 😂

[winter yacht]

Think, if we get enough people, we might get somewhere

Last time I played, I stopped after getting circuite automated

[rigid bramble]

If it's 1000 hrs for one person, then ten people should only take 100hrs xD

Though I think the slowdown would be the fact you can only research one thing at a time

[winter yacht]

My slowdown is production and not research

[rigid bramble]

I wonder if there is a mod to assign research per lab

[winter yacht]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/simultaneous-research

Not exaclly what you want

[umbral meteor]

Research ALL the tech all at once!

[rigid bramble]

I mean that works too

Still limited by the queue though, but seems fair

[umbral meteor]

Auto Research fixes that

[rigid bramble]

Robot follower count 100, let's go

[winter yacht]

What I'm doing now is rushing electronics stage 1

to unlock the machines to make basic automation

[rigid bramble]

Mmm, the quest for splitters

[winter yacht]

not even for that
just to have access to use all the liquids

or most of them

For steel production
I need to use the tar and coal gas

coal gas can be used to mine

Tar for electronics

for the circuit board
the tar is kind of a must

Because all the complexity
though getting more people on it
may make it simpler

[umbral meteor]

you can destroy all biters with pickaxe, as long as you have 500 people xD

wave after wave after wave of people....

[winter yacht]

Red army style

[topaz tide]

sure let me know when its happening and ill get on when i get the chance

[winter yacht]

Depends on who wants
I don't have anything plan in stone yet

[topaz tide]

im fairly limited weekdays, like 9pm gmt is when i get back from work so some time after that is when im available

weekends are pretty fine though subject to irl plans

[winter yacht]

👍
Weekends for you are
Saturdays and Sundays?

[topaz tide]

ye

[winter yacht]

👍

[dapper monolith]

well as chronic over scaler, I will make far to much of everything, you have been warned

[dapper monolith]

weekends are best for me too and I'm on utc+1 for now.

[winter yacht]

my timezone is utc+2
I'm from middle east, then my ping to Europe is about 70 (Germany specifically)

who will host?

[winter yacht]

Also
Fresh start
or want to continue my current run (7 hours in, got minimum steel, aluminium and tin)?

[proven shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215073493142474833/1423802757374021653/1759531352.png?ex=68e1a326&is=68e051a6&hm=33d120846bdfbd0ad1b196dc8b4a796b45eedded26292b2f3c0fc1a87c03d226& Last achivement of this save, and I did it properly only ones left are keeping your hands clean and the speedrunning ones.

[topaz tide]

i think id like to start fresh

[winter yacht]

👍

Reference for complexly

[topaz tide]

ahhh looking familiar

i think when i played i massively overdid my forestries

[winter yacht]

Over do it?

[topaz tide]

i saw how little they produced and thought "fah, what am i a waiter?? a waiting person who waits all the time??" i should have been

are those numbers per minute

[winter yacht]

yes

no second

sorry, second

20 wood a second

[topaz tide]

thats not bad

[winter yacht]

I added another step, to create the CO2

it cost 3.4 wood
then in the end you get
16.6 wood a second

you do need to use the by products

[topaz tide]

yea i found that difficult to wrap my head around

like i wanted to figure out the actual return on wood per thing but i had no clue how to figure that out

[winter yacht]

Coal gas (yellow) I use for mining aluminuim
Tar (green) as liquid fuel

[topaz tide]

is that helmod you're using? it looks very nice

better ui than factory planner was i thikn

[winter yacht]

ya

[topaz tide]

very nice

[winter yacht]

Whole UI for ref

[topaz tide]

ooo and on the left you can put your different recipe chains?

oh matrix solvers are good for things that use output for input right

[winter yacht]

Diff lines
don't need to delete old ones

About the second

[topaz tide]

ohh right the bits at the top are the factories

thats nice you can change that

i feel like py might be a good one to view using items per minute since things are so much more complicated and scarce

[winter yacht]

Like this PCB part?

[topaz tide]

gah

[winter yacht]

I'm working now on the mushrooms for the CH4

The problem is you need a lot of reseach before doing anything

[topaz tide]

yeah and getting to even be able to automate the first research requires a lot of research

you better hope you spawned near a lot of trees

[winter yacht]

I made some basic assemblers to do part of the carting and throw to a lab
semi auto

better then pocket craft

[topaz tide]

yea

it is funny seeing how much stuff pops up when you craft a science pack though

are you using all the py mods or just a few?

[winter yacht]

Pretty sure all

All that support 2.0

I need to check when I'm home

[winter yacht]

Yes
I used the chart here
I fonud each mod in the list

[topaz tide]

oh ya if you just use alternative energy that sets all the others as requirements

[winter yacht]

ez then

[dapper monolith]

@winter yacht @topaz tide do any of you two want to host the server?

[winter yacht]

Does the host need to open ports ?
I have two gateways

I don't mind, if you start without me and I will join later

[dapper monolith]

let look that up as i have only done dedacated server before, but i dont think my lil 8700k will manage a py run 😂

seem if you hosting it via the normal client no ports need opened,
also what are the mods we want for the run

also since i run Linux i can use the non blocking save feature which is nice to have.

[winter yacht]

Non blocking ?

[winter yacht]

This is the py list

Alt energy should get all the list

[dapper monolith]

means when the game saves we don't need to stop playing 😄 so we can have more regular saves

[winter yacht]

Oh 👍

If we don't need to open ports, I can host
I have 12700k intel

[dapper monolith]

i have the pymod pack, add all the py stuff
i was gonna add:
elevated rails
helmod
tasklist

[winter yacht]

Oh ya I got elev rails and helmod

I will add tasklist

[dapper monolith]

task list is handy to keep track of what we are doing week to week.

[winter yacht]

👍
Each save it is own file / directory ?

For world settings
Py recommend?

[dapper monolith]

i have not preference of world settings.

[dapper monolith]

I'm going to walk the dog, let me know the server info and if it's up ill hope on once i get back.

[winter yacht]

@dapper monolith @topaz tide I'm home
can start the server and see

[dapper monolith]

I too have returned home 🙂

[winter yacht]

mod list:
all py mods
Helmod
quality
elevated rails
Task list

[dapper monolith]

litraly just walked in and finished feeding the dog 🙂

[dapper monolith]

mods look fine 👍 i am ready for losing my mind to some 3.14s

[winter yacht]

up

[dapper monolith]

no password 😱

also seems i can not join "Could not establish network communication with server"

[winter yacht]

name: DapperPy
pass: DapperPy

now try

I did on pause
then may not allow because of that

[dapper monolith]

pause should not matter 🙂 seems there's still an issue reaching the "server"

[winter yacht]

57708922
Steam friend code thingy

maybe via steam join, will work

[dapper monolith]

Probably A port forwarding thing, be I'm ok to try joining via steam.

[winter yacht]

Ya, may be

Make sure you configure your router's port forwarding correctly for port 34197.

https://wiki.factorio.com/Multiplayer

[dapper monolith]

do you know how to do that, if not ill host.

[winter yacht]

As of version 0.13, players no longer necessarily have to port-forward to play with others. Players may join each other through Steam, or by just the port-forwarded host.

[dapper monolith]

as I said I'm ok with joining via steam 🙂

[winter yacht]

I can't port forward sadly, problem with logging in to one of my gateways

[dapper monolith]

ok give me a bit ill go do the networking bits to run a game 🙂

[winter yacht]

👍

[dapper monolith]

Seems to be up on the server browser
Tiny'sDapperPy
14573xi13

lets see if it works

[winter yacht]

SEc I need to install some mods

which waterfill?

[dapper monolith]

forgot i still had water fill on ops 🥲 just A mod for doing land fill i can remove it is you want and pymodpack it just a easy way to get all the py mods

[winter yacht]

Py has landfill

[dapper monolith]

ill restart and remove 🙂

[winter yacht]

👍

[dapper monolith]

removed water fill and restarted

keeping pymodpack to keep it simple to get all the mods 🙂

[dapper monolith]

uhhh why you do this game

[winter yacht]

did the game text show of allow match connection?

[dapper monolith]

i know my port fowerding is live 😄 , it said it cant confirm my IP but when i look on other tools it knows my IP 😂

[winter yacht]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

want to try via direct IP?

[dapper monolith]

wait a sec the 3ed part tool says the port has changed maybe the wiki is out of date

[winter yacht]

maybe

[dapper monolith]

3ed party tool says port 28743 😂

[winter yacht]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

your own firewall?

[dapper monolith]

yep 🙂

might have messed up the nat hmmm

setting this up impromptu was not the right choice 😂

[winter yacht]

ya

Can try mine again?

I openned the ports

the only other thing we can try, if it doesn't work
is via steam

[dapper monolith]

Sure ji got a ping this time 🙂

[winter yacht]

pulse !

name: DapperPy
pass: DapperPy

[dapper monolith]

ill need to close them ports 😛

[winter yacht]

👍

I used 34197 port

[dapper monolith]

so was i my hops pc said the port where open my router said they where open but factorio said nope 😂

[winter yacht]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dapper monolith]

right im in 😛

[winter yacht]

One of my gateways is asus gaming router thingy

It got a port forwarding NAT feature for game servers

fancy

I'm looking for my chat keybind

[dapper monolith]

asus gaming router that hurts 😂 its shift+`

[winter yacht]

I didn't choose the name

I moved from tp link to it
After tp link cyber attack problem in US

[dapper monolith]

the Asus routers have a lot of there own issues sadly

[winter yacht]

I plan to get pfsense firewall in the future

[dapper monolith]

pfsense is a steep learing curve 😂

[winter yacht]

I'm on linux also
and finding it easier then windows

[dapper monolith]

there is also open wrt

[winter yacht]

planning to get prebuild firewall

[dapper monolith]

thats the way to do it 🙂

[topaz tide]

it working?

[winter yacht]

ya

[topaz tide]

oki ill join

[winter yacht]

👍

name: DapperPy
pass: DapperPy

[topaz tide]

thanke

[winter yacht]

all good?

[topaz tide]

syncing the mods it takes awhile :p

[winter yacht]

👍

[dapper monolith]

👍

[winter yacht]

in the book

and then search for the fastwood forestry

[dapper monolith]

any will do for me, ill work around the constants 🙂

[winter yacht]

You can't change after selecting

Was great fun !

[dapper monolith]

I request like to the ore eraser mod so we don't have to worry about building over ore piles.

[topaz tide]

small list of mine
text plates
early bots mod (nanobots/blueprint shotgun/anything else)
squeak through
calculator ui

[winter yacht]

helmod has a calculator, then why the calculator UI?

[topaz tide]

its a lotta clicks to get to

[winter yacht]

👍

[topaz tide]

oh tiny says theres a shortcut nevermind lol

[rigid bramble]

They should do like Satisfactory and let you do maths in search bars

[dapper monolith]

i think there is give me a sec 🙂

[topaz tide]

he also objects to early bots mods so im fine not having that

[rigid bramble]

And ah, you got turds already xD

[topaz tide]

we made good time today

[dapper monolith]

i seem to have been wrong about the calculator short cut

[winter yacht]

we need to plan about the new iron deposit

[rigid bramble]

Satisfactory let's you do maths in any input box

[topaz tide]

we're gonna need some loooong coal belts

[rigid bramble]

Though imo, you may wanna stick the server chat in a thread or something

[winter yacht]

another option is to make a wood farm next to it and use extra coke as fuel

[dapper monolith]

we have a better mine desen that deals with offloading ash now, so its just a matter of running the belts 🙂

[topaz tide]

if we make a wood farm next to it the ash can go in there

[dapper monolith]

let deal with that next time we play, 🙂 when you next up for hosting the server, ill work on getting a dedicated one up as well make to make it less dependent on us being in game.

[winter yacht]

👍

[dapper monolith]

thanks mai 🙂

[dapper monolith]

The factory, it whispers in my ear, saying: Grow, I must grow.

You know you dun goffed, when you misspell your own user name... 😂

[winter yacht]

ya

I'm ok, if Raven and you continue even when I'm not around

[dapper monolith]

I was just being a bit snarky along side my crippling factorio addiction, please don't take that comment seriously 😂 i instaed went and wasted 3 hours refactoring me SE rail system for about 1/3 of a planet done...

[winter yacht]

Oh ya something I forgot to add to our list
make more turbines, they are shitty, but still worth it for free energy

[topaz tide]

ehh we're not exactly rich lol

[winter yacht]

Ya
it also require fish

[winter yacht]

For us later
we need it for circuits

[dapper monolith]

That's a chain to get done should be fun. 🙂 I need/want to scale ash management A bit more and move it but I'd like to have spliters first

[topaz tide]

i dont think we should need much more ash sorters because we can route some ash to the forestries to boost them

[dapper monolith]

I just want the capacity for a max of 4 belts so any excess can go there as a low priority, mostly to clear the back log.

[rigid bramble]

I see we're a helmod enjoyer xD

[dapper monolith]

helmod best mod 🙂

[reef trench]

I have a feeling @dapper monolith won't be joining ECO anytime soon😅

[hearty meteor]

I much prefer Factory Planner

[dapper monolith]

I have been busy IRL, I got to bed at 5AM this morning and still had to get up at 8AM, I also suffer from a crippling cracktorio addiction and doing it in MP has been new.

[reef trench]

good luck 🫡

[dapper monolith]

I don't want luck i want sleep at this time 🙂

[reef trench]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

[dapper monolith]

getting knocked out is not sleep 😂

[reef trench]

looks the same to me

[dapper monolith]

it not getting knocked out come with many down sides.

[winter yacht]

If someone else want to join us, I'm ok with it

[winter yacht]

possible
it will get us 50% more wood

@dapper monolith If you have time
We can retry to open ports on your side,
if you want to

I don't mind been the host

[winter yacht]

I did some math

we can do that the wood thingy almost generates all the power it needs by it's own
missing 100kW

and do need to insert 1.3 ash per second

this still generate possitive networth of wood and 1 iron per 10 seconds

[dapper monolith]

I'll keep working at it after work been setting up a dedicated server for hosting anyway.

[winter yacht]

👍

Ping me, if you need me to test

[dapper monolith]

will do but i has a case of the brain pain (migraine) so I probably wont be getting far tonight 😂

[winter yacht]

Tomorrow continuing the run?

[dapper monolith]

sure still not set up the server so you will be hosting again I think.

meanwhile...

They said I was mad for doing a 72 wide belted lab... I think i might have something wrong with my brain. 😄

[royal basin]

Looks oddly like a CPU or something.. 😄 Really awesome!

[dapper monolith]

i have only just fixed it, that took way longer than i will ever admit 😂 though the next upgrade might just have a chart in it to tell me the levels of each beaker 😛

[dapper monolith]

servers up mostly running just need to add mods 😂

[dapper monolith]

i love big commands and i can not lie
scp pyalienlifegraphics_3.0.10.zip pyalienlifegraphics2_3.0.2.zip pyalienlifegraphics3_3.0.4.zip pyalternativeenergy_3.1.35.zip pyalternativeenergygraphics_3.0.5.zip pycoalprocessing_3.0.43.zip pycoalprocessinggraphics_3.0.9.zip pyfusionenergy_3.0.16.zip pyfusionenergygraphics_3.0.4.zip pyhightech_3.0.17.zip pyhightechgraphics_3.0.2.zip pyindustry_3.0.19.zip pyindustrygraphics_3.0.2.zip pypetroleumhandling_3.0.21.zip pypetroleumhandlinggraphics_3.0.5.zip pypostprocessing_3.0.39.zip pyrawores_3.0.24.zip pyraworesgraphics_3.0.4.zip tinyadmin@ipaddr/dir/stuff

[winter yacht]

alot of files

Also why not define in host files or in .ssh the address?

[winter yacht]

Ping me when you want me to open the server

[dapper monolith]

its not ssh it was scp to transfer the mods over from my pc to the host 🙂

[winter yacht]

It's not ssh copy?

[winter yacht]

@dapper monolith @topaz tide Playing today right?

[dapper monolith]

yeah, I'll play today probably wont get the server finished it time got chores to do sadly 🙁

[dapper monolith]

scp uses ssh protocol but for doing the odd transfer doing i find manual way more convenient and even more so that setting up FTP 😂

[winter yacht]

Mip 👍

I usually use rsync over ssh

[dapper monolith]

part of my issues is 100% the over engineered network I have...

[winter yacht]

home lab?

[dapper monolith]

rSyinc is ok for back ups but all, I wanted was send files to that dir 🙂

[winter yacht]

filezila ?

[dapper monolith]

lab might be an understatement 😂

filezila is ftp/sftp.

[winter yacht]

ya
scp uses sftp

scp uses the SFTP protocol over a ssh(1) connection for data transfer,
and uses the same authentication and provides the same security as a lo‐
gin session

[dapper monolith]

If a home lab involves a 42u rack then its probably a home lab... not quite full yet though

[winter yacht]

nice

[dapper monolith]

don't say that once you look at the power bills 😂 they sting a lot if its been a high usage month.

scp is also great for moving / copying files between remote hosts.

[winter yacht]

I live in middle east,
then can use solar panels to help with the bill

I did look into starting up a server\data center
there is a need for a local one in my country

cost too much for me

[dapper monolith]

They do help, but its still A lot of draw and the UK has some insane pricing for power.

[winter yacht]

I estimated starting cost of about 100k$

[dapper monolith]

depends on your goals for such a thing, like a home lab can do a lot of storage for small customers.

[winter yacht]

Storage, AI computation, general computation

[dapper monolith]

you can start way smaller you, don't need all the hardware in one go. but you need to know alot of stuff for A one person "data center/oversized lab"

[winter yacht]

Ya
maybe start from storage and diverge from there

[dapper monolith]

Do you have a small home lab? as you could do what I do and rent out some of the storage as an cheep off site back up.

[winter yacht]

Not yet
student money lvl

where do you even post rending storage?

also, aren't we going off topic, as it's not factorio related

[dapper monolith]

we are way way off topic, but just I talk to ppl it's the base for most stuff 🙂

[winter yacht]

Mip 👍

where to do post renting storage for people ?

[dapper monolith]

I don't, I have just talked to ppl, and offered them it. as there are a lot of creatives looking for other options due to the whole AI training data stuff.

[winter yacht]

oh 👍

surprised someone didn't start a company
that is the middle man between people

that does the DNS related things and connect consumer and provider

[dapper monolith]

gonna walk the dog be back in a bit

[dapper monolith]

dog has been walked back to fixing the network

[winter yacht]

Mip

[dapper monolith]

just port fowerding to sort out and it will be golden, my poor i7 8700k cry with us playing though pys 😄

[winter yacht]

lol

[dapper monolith]

It should be the easy bit! 😂

[winter yacht]

should

[dapper monolith]

i know, right. unless my isp is blocking it im not sure whats going on

[winter yacht]

tell me when to test, will open factorio then

[dapper monolith]

i can test, so no need to worry about it 🙂

[winter yacht]

👍

[dapper monolith]

off to walk the dog again 🙂 once i get this working ill need the saves and mapconfig files 🙂

[winter yacht]

👍

[dapper monolith]

i can connect via IP but not the server browser from out side my network 🤔 seems i have messed something up 🙂

[winter yacht]

strange

[dapper monolith]

very, when i use nmap form out side the network the post says in closed as well so im sure i have done something wrong when doing that part

[dapper monolith]

@winter yacht
If I'm hosting today, just need the save.

[dapper monolith]

@winter yacht @topaz tide we booting the game up tonight?

[topaz tide]

im not feeling like py right now

[dapper monolith]

no worries thought you be a bit deep in that other space game anyway.

[topaz tide]

yea

[dapper monolith]

i just want the save so i can test the dedicated server, after all i have spent some time fighting with the network

[reef trench]

Python

[dapper monolith]

piyoni.py

[hasty flower]

Is there a "max" range for heat pipes like fluid pipes have in space age?

[rigid bramble]

I believe the heat does have a maximum range

[hasty flower]

Is it a set number or how would I find that range?

[rigid bramble]

I want to say it's a certain radius,
I think it should be in the wiki, might be somewhere around nuclear reactors, cus iirc they haven't changed the code

[rigid bramble]

this is the chart I've seen

but at the same time elsewhere in the wiki it states that each building has a different heat requirement

at least on aquillo you will notice easily where it runs out of heat

ah, the Aquilo page has the heat amount for each entity

[hearty meteor]

The temp goes down 1 degree per heat pipe tile. I don't think that's changed in SA either.
So for example if you have a source that gives 800 degrees and a sink that needs 700 degrees anything beyond 100 tiles can't transfer enough energy to the end to run the sink.

[hasty flower]

So I could put one tower and run max temp for 499 tiles worth of heat exchangers?

[rigid bramble]

If it doesn't warm up any other entities
Though remember you need at least 30c

[hearty meteor]

IIRC heat exchangers take away some of the energy, so you probably can't support more than x amount of heat exchangers per heating tower at all, and the distance between them further limits your max, AFAIK.

Just for example if a heating tower makes 8 MJ of energy as heat and each heat exchanger "uses up" 1 MJ of heat energy to make steam then you could support a max of 8 heat exchangers "close" to the heating tower. If the tower makes a max of 800 C energy and the heat exchangers needed 300 then I would expect that the heat pipe in front of the last heat exchanger would get to about 301 C (if each of the heat exchangers were constantly running at max) and the heating tower would get to about 350 C if all the heat exchangers were within 50 tiles.

But I don't fully know this well enough to be certain of this, but it's how I've understood it.

[hasty flower]

Yeah I guess that was the part I wasn't seeing. The tower has a max output and the heat exchangers have a max input

[dapper monolith]

The #1426575835237974088 Factorio server will be up in the next hour or so for anyone that wants to join. 🙂

[winter yacht]

pocket

[dapper monolith]

a reaction to far, its only 64 reactors... yes only.

[reef trench]

what are you doing with that many?

[dapper monolith]

powering a massive lab... i think my bases power usage is aroung 9GW 😂

[umbral meteor]

my last megabase used 30-40 GW or something xD

just insane

but that were before 2.0

[dapper monolith]

I'm hoping it will do the island of labs no more ores left on navus, it's great drop in beakers and leave let trains do the rest

[winter yacht]

A game similar to factorio
thought some people would be interested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znCMW8forUc

[rigid bramble]

Imo it's a tad too close to be just 'similar'

[umbral meteor]

"Legally distinct Factorio Copy"

[rigid bramble]

Though I am sure there is a story behind it, otherwise I'd imagine Wube would be running for the cease and desist order

[atomic aurora]

looks distinct enough to me, at least from that trailer. sure, it has a lot of elements that could be taken straight from factorio, but wube isn't like nintendo, trying to copyright/trademark fundamental, genra defining game elements to make sure no one else can make a similar game to them

[umbral meteor]

Also, WUBE is not Nintendo xD

just noticed you wrote the same xD

[atomic aurora]

was wondering if 'not like nintendo' could have been not clear enough and open to nit-picks

[umbral meteor]

Patenting game mechanics to "own" them is horrible imo

[rigid bramble]

It's less elements and more reskinned assets, imo

[atomic aurora]

since 'not like nintendo', at least in my mind, includes not being nintendo (nothing is more like nintendo than nintendo)

what 'assets' are there to 'reskin' in factorio? it's not like factorio has 3d models or anything

[rigid bramble]

Feels more like a factorio mod than a whole new game
Might even be that Wube licensed their engine, and announcement trailer is proof of concept while they work on new assets

[rigid bramble]

Because textures are not assets, right? xD
Also pretty sure 3D models are at least involved in part

[atomic aurora]

from what I remember of FFFs, only in the making. 3d models to get the perspectives, and then pre-rendered high-res bitmaps for the different orientations

there's not actual 3d models in the game being rendered real-time

so making new art for the entities would basically require making them from scratch

not really what I think of as 'reskinning assets'

[rigid bramble]

I just said that's what it looks like to me

I'm not talking stuff like "it has belts"
More "those belts look exactly the same as in factorio just with a bit stuck on"

Either way it boils down to this;
Do I want to buy factorio again, but with 1 different element?

[rigid bramble]

Hey this place still lives... right?

I have devious plan, what if I could turn off parts of my factory at night
does factorio have a way to tell if its day or night?

[winter yacht]

can use solar panels for it?

[rigid bramble]

depends what output I would be looking for

[dapper monolith]

solar panels and power switch would do it quite easily.

[rigid bramble]

nope

[dapper monolith]

then add a battery

[rigid bramble]

add a battery to what?

[dapper monolith]

use a accumulator/battery to see if your charging or not

[rigid bramble]

like I'm trying to work out a way where you don't need accumulators, or a minimal amount

you should have lead with that :p

[winter yacht]

problem with batteries, you need to empty it somehow

[dapper monolith]

depends how smart you need it to be

[rigid bramble]

if the accumulators are full, you won't need to charge them

you don't want to shut the factory down completely at night
just if you can shut down certain parts you can reduce the need for as many accumulators

[dapper monolith]

That where split grids come in.

[rigid bramble]

was hoping I could do something early, but looks like I need to get batteries set up

[dapper monolith]

you could do it on a clock with combonators but that a bit more compex

[rigid bramble]

and assumes I know how long a night is

[dapper monolith]

if its not modded it can easly be looked up.

The hardish issue is setting the timer in line with the day/night cycle

[rigid bramble]

that doesn't sound very automated xD

so the next thing to work out is how to then have an accumulator be charging all day

[atomic aurora]

would take a specific setup from the start, but you could have a small number of accumulators, make like one main power bus connected to the accumulators and solar panels, run red or green wires along all of that, and segment the factory so that there's only one connection to the main power bus to each of those segment through a power switch. then each power switch can be set to only activate when the accumulators are above a certain charge. if each is set to a different number, you essentially have a hierarchy of priorities for where power should go in case of brown-outs

[winter yacht]

can set up a "clock" and "memory"
Given the clock clicked X times, Y times passed

clock with inserters or belt

memory with chests and inserters

[rigid bramble]

Ah, I've been playing too much Seablock, where there is water everywhere, and if there isn't you can just make a hole

also what is an acceptable number of laser turrets a minute, 4?

[dapper monolith]

as many as you need is the right amount.

[rigid bramble]

and what is the usual rate of attrition due to biter attacks xD

[dapper monolith]

As many as you loss to bitter attacks i would gusses.

[rigid bramble]

which isn't a number I personally have

which is why I'm asking what anyone else thinks

[atomic aurora]

4 sounds like plenty, if you lose more than one turret every 15 seconds, you need to either push the biters back, or use a better turret setup

[dapper monolith]

you do, it will be in the production menu 🙂

should be hear, if your lossing them.

[rigid bramble]

doesn't tell me how many I need, just how fast I'm making them

[dapper monolith]

it will tell you how many are getting killed/destroyed...

[rigid bramble]

which isn't actually 4 a minute, cus I only built one factory, hmm

[dapper monolith]

Just to be pedantic and wind-up a tad, I loaded my base game save to show you where it will be once you loss a few.
P.S it's mostly being pedantic as the other once did not show it and was weak proof of it where it should be.

[rigid bramble]

You should have lead with the kills tab

[dapper monolith]

It's highlighted so I felt that part was self explanatory.

[rigid bramble]

maybe I just needed to be made aware that it exists

[umbral meteor]

duff needs to be spoonfed the details xD