Factorio | Dapper Dell | Page 14

umbral meteor Feb 13, 2025, 9:47 AM

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xD

hasty flower Feb 14, 2025, 4:58 AM

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I like how the time stamps show the progression of oh hey cool thing! Wait it doesn't work... why..... oh that's why lol

hallow steppe Feb 15, 2025, 11:53 PM

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Finally satisfied with my Fulgora Scrap recycling sorter, key is having enough capacity to destroy everything if it isn't actually used to keep everything else flowing.

topaz tide Feb 16, 2025, 12:46 AM

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beautiful

woeful geyser Feb 16, 2025, 8:22 AM

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hallow steppe Finally satisfied with my Fulgora Scrap recycling sorter, key is having enough c...

Question, why the selector combinators?

woeful geyser Feb 16, 2025, 12:34 PM

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Meanwhile, on ~~hell~~ Gleba... I'm working on an actual base. Only thing I can't make yet is the sulfur, but I can just hook that onto the end of the line. I might actually have to make spoilage, because my current bioflux design barely makes any.

rigid bramble Feb 16, 2025, 12:35 PM

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What are you wanting spoilage for?
Besides sulphur

woeful geyser Feb 16, 2025, 12:36 PM

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Carbon fibre.

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I need to turn spoilage into carbon, but my current factory runs almost completely without making spoilage.

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It only makes a little bit due to me slightly overproducing mash.

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Apart from that it's basically ratio'd.

rigid bramble Feb 16, 2025, 12:37 PM

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Ah carbon

woeful geyser Feb 16, 2025, 12:37 PM

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Luckily there's a solution: Just recycle nutrients.

rigid bramble Feb 16, 2025, 12:37 PM

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No outflow for spoilage?

woeful geyser Feb 16, 2025, 12:38 PM

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What u mean no outflow.

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I will be making a heating setup at the end.

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For now am just setting up a biochamber that makes me more biochambers.

rigid bramble Feb 16, 2025, 12:39 PM

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Ah I've done the 'nurtrients in, spoilage out' style factory

woeful geyser Feb 16, 2025, 12:47 PM

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I'm pretty sure this will be a pain to upscale... I should probably redo my bioflux setup to not be inside the bus XD

woeful geyser Feb 16, 2025, 1:20 PM

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Neat

rigid bramble Feb 16, 2025, 1:25 PM

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Imo, just get something functional, and come back when you need something more

woeful geyser Feb 16, 2025, 1:27 PM

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Lmao I got roboport twins

topaz tide Feb 16, 2025, 1:28 PM

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awww

hallow steppe Feb 16, 2025, 1:29 PM

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woeful geyser Question, why the selector combinators?

The recyclers output to a box that is limited to one slot per item. The arithmetic combinator divides the contents by 16 so that the inserter only grabs full stacks, then the selector randomizes them if more than one is available. Allows it to restart gently in case it ever backs up

woeful geyser Feb 16, 2025, 1:33 PM

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Fair. You could probably make it smarter via looking at the sushi belt, seeing what is lowest on the belt, and then feeding that through to the inserters. I'm pretty sure aavak's done something like that for his gleba trains (before he redid them all again)

woeful geyser Feb 16, 2025, 2:47 PM

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Just had my old factory die for the first time... thanks to jellynut seed overflow of all things.

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Was just too late to save my eggs... which sucked.

rigid bramble Feb 16, 2025, 2:57 PM

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Ah yes, seeds
The most unassuming thing you never think to dispose of xD

woeful geyser Feb 16, 2025, 2:57 PM

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Yeah... kinda forgot they need an overflow. I'm extremely happy that's my only 'jam' so far though.

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I love cliff explosives.

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Tomorrow I'll probably re-arrange some bits of my factory, split yumako/jelly products to either side of my 'fruit bus' and then hook it up.

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Reason am not doing it today is plainly because I am bored. XD

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And well... still just don't jive with gleba.

hallow steppe Feb 16, 2025, 3:03 PM

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I really should go back to Gleeba. It works with no major hiccups, but I'd like to scale things up. Will probably leave the current base as-is and start a 2nd production line.

woeful geyser Feb 16, 2025, 3:04 PM

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Oh my current Gleba absolutely works. It just... only makes science and nothing else. I haven't even bothered setting up any defenses yet.

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And I've only had... one attack so far.

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Like, compared to aavak, my playthrough has been SUPER calm for Gleba. I brought 100 rounds of uranium ammo with me. Haven't even used half, only now starting to see medium enemies.

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Now tbf I have enough damage on my personal defense lasers that I can use them to kill even small stompers (though it's slow)

hallow steppe Feb 16, 2025, 3:07 PM

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I find the enemy waves to be more tedious than challenging so I tend towards the Railworld default. Some "aggressive negotiations" at the outset and attack waves are no longer an issue.

rigid bramble Feb 16, 2025, 3:15 PM

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Just gotta pave the world

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Once you push the nests back, its easier
Cus in my experience the glebians are much slower to expand than biters

hasty flower Feb 17, 2025, 2:21 AM

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rigid bramble Just gotta pave the world

Just curious but would this prevent them from re nesting an area?

rigid bramble Feb 17, 2025, 3:10 AM

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Slight spoiler ||they need water to put their egg rafts in||

safe rampart Feb 19, 2025, 4:46 PM

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first bit of biter wrangling here. There was a big pile of biters at some point, when i ran out of bioflux here. Now it is quite peaceful there

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 1:26 PM

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The Gleba vods have restarted, and as such I am back to questioning past aavak's decisions. Right now he's setting up local bioflux production for all of his modules... and I am curious as to why. Because creating bioflux locally instead of at the start means your bioflux will be less fresh (fruits only last half the time of bioflux, so using fruit with 30 minutes of lifetime cuts an hour off the bioflux time). Which then cuts into your nutrient lifetime. I wonder how others feel about this.

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Then again this only matters for science. Which means you want science to be at the very front of your production queue. Which is possible on Gleba because Bioflux is the first thing you have to create. And the other ingredient are eggs. Which is a self-sustaining process mostly.

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 2:43 PM

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Which iteration of Aavak-Gleba is this?

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though if you remember, the fruit itself has a long shelf life, its the mash and the jelly that doesn't
and I think the ultimate idea is ||that the train delivers fruits direct to the local production, where and when it is needed||

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sorry if thats a spoiler

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 2:52 PM

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rigid bramble though if you remember, the fruit itself has a long shelf life, its the mash and...

Pretty sure this is 3.0 . He's setting up modules, but all of them include local bioflux production. Still, it's better to create bioflux at the start because it has the longest shelf life. You want to be making mash/jelly on demand, but not the bioflux as you're actively doubling the lifespan of the input.

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 2:59 PM

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and have the fruits on a belt from the picker?

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 3:00 PM

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Yeah, he's got fruit on the belt. I've also gone for fruits on the belt instead of processing it. I could quite easily retrofit my designs to have localised nutrient production (in fact I probably will have a dedicated nutrient production for my eggs) but making bioflux on site sems a little ridiculous.

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 3:02 PM

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imo, you might need to wait for the finished design

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might be that localised production means the produced bioflux is the freshest it can be

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 3:03 PM

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I know his final designs are different. I'm just questioning his philosophy as he goes along.

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 3:04 PM

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rigid bramble might be that localised production means the produced bioflux is the freshest it...

In the most recent vod 'localised production' means he creates bioflux whenever he needs it. Bioflux production is part of the module.

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He only belts bioflux to places to 'kickstart' them.

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 3:05 PM

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I daresay he is learning by doing

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 3:21 PM

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I'll have to dig out my set up and see you watch on with horror xD

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 3:44 PM

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and you can see my nutrients in, spoilage out loop

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 3:44 PM

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Yeah I got no clue what's happening there

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 3:46 PM

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fruits come in from either side, get turned into bioflux in the middle
I've got it set to only draw bioflux for nutrients when the belt gets below a certain amount

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 3:47 PM

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I could do that but I'm lazy.

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Besides I don't imagine I'll be overproducing too much.

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 3:48 PM

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alot of the spoilage out line is in case it spoils on the belts

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 3:49 PM

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I imagine most of my spoilage will come from fruit spoiling.

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Eitherway am currently in the process of improving my factories as whilst my initial flow-like design was working pretty good, it's not scale-able.

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 3:50 PM

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imo, you would make enough to get the science you need, and then come back when you want a specific material

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 3:51 PM

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I haven't left Gleba since I first landed.

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This is me creating a factory I won't have to look back at.

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 3:51 PM

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Oh and my FastShipGleba

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and yes, you have to stagger the engines or the pipes fill up with the wrong fluid

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topaz tide Feb 25, 2025, 4:02 PM

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ahhh i love long ships way cooler than wide ships

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 4:11 PM

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L U B E

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Pretty sure it's all hooked up correctly...

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Just gotta collect the stupid seeds.

umbral meteor Feb 25, 2025, 4:17 PM

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🌱

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 4:26 PM

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whatcha need all the lube for...

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 4:40 PM

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No clue: I just wanted to make a build that could give me all of the lube if I needed it.

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Gotta say though, the Jelly builds are FAR less space-consuming than the yumako builds.

pliant crystal Feb 25, 2025, 5:12 PM

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That's so much more than you're going to need in any way on Gleba, unless you're trying to make a fully self-sufficient Gleba that can scale up indefinately (in which case, nice!)

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A gleba that requires no input from any other planets is a Gleba I can support.

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 5:15 PM

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but what do you need lube for

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unless, are you shipping it to Vulcanus?

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but then it would be so much easier to do that from Fulgora, hmmmm

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 5:20 PM

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Honestly I just built it because I wanted a double-sided lube build.

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It is complete overkill. I know this.

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But I frankly don't care XD

rigid bramble Feb 25, 2025, 5:22 PM

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I was just wondering if I missed something

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cus I remember Seablock needs much more lube, for stuff like titanium ball bearings

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 5:23 PM

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Tbh part of me wonders if I should just bottleneck my lube on purpose by taking away 2 jelly producers and mimicking my rocket fuel build.

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(btw fun fact 3 jelly producers already aren't enough to keep 1 jelly lube machine fully operational)

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 5:54 PM

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Anyway... that's all of my 'bio' needs covered... now to make local LDS/Blue chips. Oh and slap down some absolute basic defenses around my farms.

woeful geyser Feb 25, 2025, 6:38 PM

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Okay so in theory I can make rockets on gleba now instead of importing chips and LDS (I just have to set up a single foundry to make LDS but got bored). Next on the docket is surrounding all my farms with actual defenses, setting up a much better power plant, building the rest of the factory (making robots etc) and then we are leaving. At last.

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Oh. And then I need to make a new space ship.

topaz tide Mar 7, 2025, 3:04 PM

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getting closer to "green circuits"

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isnt pyanodons just a beautiful thing

woeful geyser Mar 7, 2025, 4:24 PM

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topaz tide getting closer to "green circuits"

... oh god is that py

topaz tide Mar 7, 2025, 4:24 PM

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yes...

woeful geyser Mar 7, 2025, 4:25 PM

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can't read.

topaz tide Mar 7, 2025, 4:34 PM

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its ok

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py is a beast

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i dont think electric assemblers actually exist

woeful geyser Mar 7, 2025, 4:35 PM

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I mean. It's something you commit to.

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Doesn't it have a crap ton of machines that only do one thing.

topaz tide Mar 7, 2025, 4:47 PM

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yeah its got like a building for each thing pretty much

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it does have an electric assembler but its called an automated factory and it uses 2MW, is massive and only has a crafting speed of 1

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unless i get something that gives me ludicrous amounts of power, its so much more efficient to bear through the horrors of having to use burner assemblers

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one of the main things thats helped me so far is someone said i should automate the basic steam turbines because most buildings use a handful of those

umbral meteor Mar 7, 2025, 4:49 PM

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want more pain? add in "Realistic Fusion Power"

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Evil

topaz tide Mar 7, 2025, 4:50 PM

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non

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id be surprised if py doesnt have some insane version of that

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but py is so much i dont think i wanna add anything else other than qol

rigid bramble Mar 7, 2025, 5:13 PM

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But what about Py Hard

topaz tide Mar 7, 2025, 5:13 PM

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maybe if i beat py ill get around to that :p

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i thikn if i can keep it at my current pace i might be done in a couple years

rigid bramble Mar 7, 2025, 5:14 PM

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One does not simply beat Py

topaz tide Mar 7, 2025, 5:15 PM

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the ones that have are a small and secretive collective who show their power through their restraint against using such devastating knowledge

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if it was willed, we would already be nothing. but they are benevolent

topaz tide Mar 7, 2025, 11:01 PM

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classic

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just another day in the factory, genetically engineering some dig-o-saurus to mine stuff for me

rigid bramble Mar 7, 2025, 11:02 PM

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wait until they start genetically engineering themself...

topaz tide Mar 9, 2025, 12:48 AM

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ahh look at all these beautiful fluids

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this isnt a factory anymore this is a whole system

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im engineering rn

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constructing straight machinations

umbral meteor Mar 9, 2025, 1:02 AM

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PatPat

rigid bramble Mar 12, 2025, 8:39 PM

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wow 2.0.39 is a patch and a half

woeful geyser Mar 12, 2025, 8:45 PM

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Huh?

rigid bramble Mar 12, 2025, 8:46 PM

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1.5gb patch with a buttload of fixes

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not quite 2.1 but it does a few things it seems

hasty flower Mar 12, 2025, 10:14 PM

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I'll have to check it out now that I'm caught up on the vods. Work has been crazy and my factorio itch is getting bad lol

topaz tide Mar 14, 2025, 2:39 PM

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bit of baketorio to mix things up. currently making science from salted hard tack

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playing on 10x science mult cause i like the pacing of it

umbral meteor Mar 14, 2025, 10:40 PM

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rigid bramble wow 2.0.39 is a patch and a half

so is 2.0.41, at least it's patch notes is

rigid bramble Mar 14, 2025, 10:42 PM

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.39 was released as stable though

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where are you seeing these patchnotes for .41? I only see 4 bug fixes

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and as .39 was released as stable, I saw the notes on Steam

umbral meteor Mar 14, 2025, 10:50 PM

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2.0.41 just released as stable

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hearty meteor Mar 14, 2025, 10:51 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/app/427520/eventcomments/828204733286084607/?tscn=1741991122 10 hours ago

Version 2.0.41 marked as stable :: Factorio Events & Announcements

View full event information here: https://steamcommunity.com/ogg/427520/announcements/detail/537722458840498919

rigid bramble Mar 14, 2025, 10:52 PM

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I see you commenting :p

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ah if only steam listed the individual patches like separately

hearty meteor Mar 14, 2025, 10:53 PM

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How do you mean?

rigid bramble Mar 14, 2025, 10:54 PM

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like split up the patch notes per patch, rather as one big block

umbral meteor Mar 14, 2025, 10:54 PM

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they do?

hearty meteor Mar 14, 2025, 10:54 PM

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They do, don't they?

rigid bramble Mar 14, 2025, 10:54 PM

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also how big was .41?
cus .39 was like 1.5gb

umbral meteor Mar 14, 2025, 10:54 PM

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rigid bramble also how big was .41? cus .39 was like 1.5gb

dunno, didn't look xD

rigid bramble Mar 14, 2025, 10:54 PM

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I mean like .39 on steam includes 7 different actual patches

hearty meteor Mar 14, 2025, 10:55 PM

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It includes everything between the previous patch on Steam and the current one on Steam AFAIK

umbral meteor Mar 14, 2025, 10:56 PM

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aah, you mean from .32 to .39

rigid bramble Mar 14, 2025, 10:56 PM

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I guess I'll see how big it is when I load up steam again

umbral meteor Mar 14, 2025, 10:57 PM

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they list all the patch notes between each stable release

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one big chunk sure, but if you want more details i suggest looking on their site xD

rigid bramble Mar 14, 2025, 11:00 PM

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Yeah

topaz tide Mar 16, 2025, 1:16 PM

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lovely little bakery for an alternate recipe of red science

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a more sustainable recipe given all ingredients for it are grown, whereas the other recipe used salt which is a finite ore

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dangit they changed the icons again

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this is the "everything" circuit icon

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everything and each icons

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these also look more matte

rigid bramble Mar 16, 2025, 1:42 PM

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might have been to do with that .39 mega patch

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I don't think they changed anything between .39 and .41

topaz tide Mar 16, 2025, 1:51 PM

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i hope it made the one guy on the dev team happy

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maybe having the textures like this is 1% more efficient who knows

rigid bramble Mar 16, 2025, 1:55 PM

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you'll have to check the patch notes and see if there is any linked issues

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what was it before?

woeful geyser Mar 16, 2025, 1:59 PM

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red, green and yellow * signs.

topaz tide Mar 16, 2025, 1:59 PM

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the flat colours were more glossy and the circuits had *s

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yeah

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and im pretty sure the tick and cross were less blocky

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never figured out how to do that thing they showcased one time where you can add crafts to the front of queue

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maybe they didnt add it

rigid bramble Mar 16, 2025, 2:22 PM

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a star? Yeah that might be why they changed it

dapper monolith Mar 16, 2025, 3:08 PM

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I'm personally finding them easier to read when used on the map 🙂 but out side of that its not be much of a change

hearty meteor Mar 16, 2025, 5:08 PM

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topaz tide this is the "everything" circuit icon

Annoyingly enough, it should probably have been the symbol ∀ for Everything (for all), ∃ for (at least one of the signals matches)
∈ means (is part of the set), as in the predicate logic n ∈ N which refers to all the natural numbers.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_logic_symbols?useskin=vector)
I've used those symbols in my math courses when saying things like ∀ x ∈ {1, 2 , 3, 4, 5, 6, 7} ∃ y | x + x = y
(For all x in the set {1, 2 , 3, 4, 5, 6, 7} there exists a y such that x + x = y)

List of logic symbols

In logic, a set of symbols is commonly used to express logical representation. The following table lists many common symbols, together with their name, how they should be read out loud, and the related field of mathematics. Additionally, the subsequent columns contains an informal explanation, a short example, the Unicode location, the name for ...

topaz tide Mar 16, 2025, 5:09 PM

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that would be smart and make sense considering they already went for one of those symbols, so might as well stay on theme

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the tooltip clears confusion and im sure it wouldnt be too much of an adjustment

rigid bramble Mar 16, 2025, 5:12 PM

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and yet, I have no idea what logic symbols are xD

hearty meteor Mar 16, 2025, 5:12 PM

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That's because you're uneducated, duffel ;P

dapper monolith Mar 16, 2025, 5:12 PM

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I would rather not do that kinda math in a game 😄

rigid bramble Mar 16, 2025, 5:13 PM

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sounds more like something an advanced electrician would know

hearty meteor Mar 16, 2025, 5:13 PM

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I don't think electricians deal with that much XD

rigid bramble Mar 16, 2025, 5:13 PM

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do they wire circuits and chips?

hearty meteor Mar 16, 2025, 5:15 PM

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AFAIK electricians mostly wire electric cable in such a way as to keep the probability of things burning down to a minimum. Not much electronics work. That seems more like electrical engineer work

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Though I may of course be wrong

dapper monolith Mar 16, 2025, 5:17 PM

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You might be surprised at what an electrician needs to think about, it might not include circuit logic but it does involve loads, ratings and safety standards then there is high voltage for that I have no clue what is required there.

umbral meteor Mar 16, 2025, 5:23 PM

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hearty meteor AFAIK electricians mostly wire electric cable in such a way as to keep the proba...

true, not that much math day to day in a workplace,
but holy hell were it a lot of math during school...

hearty meteor Mar 16, 2025, 5:24 PM

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Interesting. I can see that makes sense, but I had never thought about the schooling for becoming an electrician

umbral meteor Mar 16, 2025, 5:25 PM

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calculating motor efficiency based on phase variance, and having to calculate that,
as well as we also had to learn the math for electronics the first year,
in case we wanted to go that route later.

rigid bramble Mar 16, 2025, 5:26 PM

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I'm sure theres more to it than just putting cables in walls xD

umbral meteor Mar 16, 2025, 5:26 PM

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is certified electrician

dapper monolith Mar 16, 2025, 5:27 PM

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umbral meteor *is certified electrician*

For what kinda circuits 😛 as I may have questions 😛

umbral meteor Mar 16, 2025, 5:28 PM

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while i am a certified house electrician,
my primary work has been in industrial setting,
so i more or less have the skills from both

woeful geyser Mar 16, 2025, 5:29 PM

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I should return to my factory... probably rejig it again

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And then turn it on...

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The Gleba procrastination is real...

umbral meteor Mar 16, 2025, 5:31 PM

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rigid bramble I'm sure theres more to it than just putting cables in walls xD

for an electrician at work, not really.
as we know like if the circuit uses an 16 amp/240V fuse, we need this diameter of wire/cable, and so on.

rigid bramble Mar 16, 2025, 5:33 PM

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I guess I'm thinking of a different discipline with wiring up chips and such

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 5:29 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEQ_bobMY9s

YouTube

Zipnotoad

Crossbar Switches: An Alternative to Belt Balancers in Factorio

The old N:M distribution problem is one that you've probably run into constantly in Factorio, whether or not you know what it is. Similarly, experienced players probably already have their preferred solutions. I know I have mine.

I had hoped this video wouldn't get too involved, but I couldn't discuss crossbar switches without addressing belt...

▶ Play video

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 8:20 AM

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Donno, If like that personally, seems like a lot of splitters. but i do use the same kinda consent in some train base blocks purely for ascetics 🙂

As for station loading/unloading I'm more a fan of the combonator way as it gets the train umloaded evely at the cost of a small throughput reduction.

topaz tide Mar 18, 2025, 2:39 PM

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i did see those and its a pretty nice looking way of doing it

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but yeah, loads of splitters and i did see a comment on that noting that and the ups associated

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but to my knowledge the highest ups bases are usually train based with minimal belts anyway

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at least, pre space age this was the case

rigid bramble Mar 18, 2025, 2:42 PM

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I guess it depends how much more you rely on trains than belts
I imagine the train path finding is rather intensive

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 2:42 PM

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belts are more ups friendly most of the time as for trains your routing matters for there ups goodness 😄

i have had bases where i got ups back from clocking inserters and only using filter ones 😄 it was a fun exercise 😄

topaz tide Mar 18, 2025, 2:43 PM

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id imagine with rail bridges the pathfinding might be better, what with avoiding same level crossovers

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 2:46 PM

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I have managed that in my base this time 🙂 train can go left or keep going 😄 rights require a longer path but overall its resulted faster trains and less signals 😄

P.S that other base had train roundabouts might have affects the ups quite a bit 😄

topaz tide Mar 18, 2025, 2:47 PM

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lol that would do it

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 2:50 PM

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yeah but I was in real deep before it became an issue 😄 and could not get a design to fit in the space i had made for them, I might just go back once it's updated to fix that 27 ups was kinda rough.

topaz tide Mar 18, 2025, 2:52 PM

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oh wow yeah

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i havent ever really built big enough for my ups to drop. probably on account of me only beating the game once

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 2:55 PM

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yeah but i scale ill it hurts and keep going 😄 while i froget about gleb 😄

rigid bramble Mar 18, 2025, 2:57 PM

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oh someone I was watching was having an issue where if they touched the rail system, track and lights, it would hang for like 15s while it updated the entire network

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 2:59 PM

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i seen someone insane person that played one 10,000X science might have been the same person 😄

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the builds in such bases are massive and take trains per second 😄

woeful geyser Mar 18, 2025, 3:04 PM

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I presume belts are even better now with their insane throughput of 240/s

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:04 PM

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i have yet to need that but i have build for it 😛 and you get some fun set ups 😄

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if we wanting to run A server idbe happy to host it 🙂 might just give me a reason to upgrade to a beter cpu 😛

rigid bramble Mar 18, 2025, 3:10 PM

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no, they were just playing pys

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:14 PM

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i can only think of 2-3 ppl that do bases that large and non of there name come to mind 😄

rigid bramble Mar 18, 2025, 3:22 PM

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pys is a big base mod

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I feel cityblock design is typical for stuff like pys

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:23 PM

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dapper monolith if we wanting to run A server idbe happy to host it 🙂 might just give me a reas...

i already have one ready at a moments notice xD

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:24 PM

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umbral meteor i already have one ready at a moments notice xD

I have several just not one for a big factorio base 😛

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:24 PM

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i have this mainly xD

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:27 PM

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970 that there newer gens? I only have a 8700k 64gb or ram as a dedicated game server 😛
i'd need to boot them all up to see what else i have 😄

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:28 PM

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970 is ancient xD

rigid bramble Mar 18, 2025, 3:29 PM

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970 Remake
oh wait, CPU not GPU

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:29 PM

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and who runs a windows server you poor soul cohhPats

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:29 PM

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i do xD

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because some games require it

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:29 PM

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games that do can get a VM 🙂

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:30 PM

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also, i know windows better to set up domain controllers and DNS

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else i would just run Debian

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:30 PM

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i do DNS on my pfsense router as im a big NERD! 🙂

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Debian is solid for stuff that requires stibilaty 🙂

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:32 PM

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yeah, it were my goto when they more or less destroyed CentOS

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:32 PM

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but arch does get all the fun stuff 😛

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CentOS cohh7

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:33 PM

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dapper monolith but arch does get all the fun stuff 😛

Yeah no, i'm not machoistic

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:33 PM

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umbral meteor Yeah no, i'm not machoistic

it does not brake that often...

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I mean i brake it that often but that is my fault 😂

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:34 PM

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let me give it to you this way, my first unix/linux experience were OpenBSD 2.8

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:35 PM

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openBSD good times 😄

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i still used it untill about 4-5 years ago mad a solid nas platform 😄
I stand corrected my router still runs it 😄
but i get what you mean been in the game a while 😄

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:38 PM

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dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:38 PM

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but that said i love how factorio does async saving on linux 😛

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:39 PM

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i used to rent a server from OVH that were used as the community server here,
but after 4 years i put together my own.

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4 years of $50 a month xD

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:40 PM

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i just build my server and tools to manage it 😄

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:41 PM

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so would i have done if i were rich xD

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:42 PM

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it has taken years to do... having to do a massive rewrite of some of it 😦

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:42 PM

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or rather if i had the money for it, but due to a side effect of having ADHD i can't save up....

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as in, if i have money i use it

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:44 PM

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my main server hosting is just my last pc i am doing it on the cheep

umbral meteor Mar 18, 2025, 3:44 PM

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mine is the last, last essentially

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xD

dapper monolith Mar 18, 2025, 3:46 PM

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it's how it works 🙂

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it's built in python it was not great and broke all the time which is why I'm redoing it for the ground up in a easier to deploy way 😛😄

topaz tide Mar 19, 2025, 4:12 AM

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might be a little less efficient but it looks pretty

topaz tide Mar 19, 2025, 6:47 AM

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one tiny thing they must have changed, the default lamp colour is now a very slight cream rather than stark white which i really appreciate

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unchanged from placing

dapper monolith Mar 19, 2025, 10:49 AM

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topaz tide unchanged from placing

but i like being blinded by the light.

topaz tide Mar 19, 2025, 2:28 PM

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thats very unfortunate

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wonder if theres a way to set default light colour yourself

topaz tide Mar 19, 2025, 4:07 PM

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the py inserter splitters are infecting my normal games now...

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 4:37 PM

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inserter... splitter?

topaz tide Mar 19, 2025, 4:41 PM

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yeah, in py it takes an obscene amount of effort to unlock splitters so you're forced into using lines of inserters to draw off belts like splitters

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 4:43 PM

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oh yeah, pys... and the quest for green circuits

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I guess they don't even have an equivalent to Bob's wooden circuits

topaz tide Mar 19, 2025, 4:50 PM

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oh they use wood :D

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first you have to grow it, then cut the logs down, then treat it, and only then can you combine it with like 12 other ingredients to make the blank circuit board, which then needs to be turned into a circuit circuit board

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ill get there, this is just like my break overhaul mod where instead of all that craziness i get to bake little cakes and stuff

dapper monolith Mar 19, 2025, 4:53 PM

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I'm sure there is a joke to be made about wood hear but i just cant knock on it...

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 4:54 PM

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in bobs you just stick copper on some wooden logs

dapper monolith Mar 19, 2025, 4:55 PM

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Pys likes to make it more complex which is why most never beat it

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 4:55 PM

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I mean a red science flask is like 20 steps

dapper monolith Mar 19, 2025, 4:56 PM

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I have played bobs+angels but not for ages 🙂 but pys seems like a step too far for me

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 4:57 PM

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Ah, I still have this

the-full-pyanodons-space-science-flowchart-updated-now-with-v0-5abc5mlltlva1.jpg

woeful geyser Mar 19, 2025, 4:57 PM

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I remember playing Bob's Angels + another mod that did something more with the ore... I forget what it was.

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 4:57 PM

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oh thats a bit big

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angels replaces all the ores with is own

dapper monolith Mar 19, 2025, 4:57 PM

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ill stick to spaceExploration 😄

woeful geyser Mar 19, 2025, 4:58 PM

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But but Space Age.

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 4:58 PM

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everything needed for the space scien pack in pys

dapper monolith Mar 19, 2025, 4:58 PM

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then there is SE+K2

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 4:59 PM

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you know SA is like SE lite

dapper monolith Mar 19, 2025, 5:01 PM

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I know and they do a lot of stuff quite diffrently as well plus i like trying to do a ship-network with only combonators in SE 😄

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 5:02 PM

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like trainships

woeful geyser Mar 19, 2025, 5:02 PM

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dapper monolith I know and they do a lot of stuff quite diffrently as well plus i like trying to...

If you think about it, the combinators really are just a substitute for the wait conditions.

dapper monolith Mar 19, 2025, 5:03 PM

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there a bit more complexity to it when you doing an inter system network 😛

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 5:03 PM

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and when you load trains onto ships...

woeful geyser Mar 19, 2025, 5:04 PM

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Been there, done that.

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 5:05 PM

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though sadly SE just has space as another surface, but that does mean space elevators, and trains going up and down them

dapper monolith Mar 19, 2025, 5:05 PM

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i dont to train ships 😛

woeful geyser Mar 19, 2025, 5:05 PM

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I found it really cool to do.

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 5:05 PM

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I mean even I can tell you trains are the quickest way to load and unload ships xD

woeful geyser Mar 19, 2025, 5:07 PM

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Yeah because you unload the full train, load an empty train and off it goes.

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 5:07 PM

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oh there was a second half to that flowchart meme - remember the Pys part is just 1 science pack

comparing-the-flowcharts-of-the-major-mods-v0-ligayj8zu1sa1.webp

woeful geyser Mar 19, 2025, 5:07 PM

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Means ships rarely, if ever, have to idle.

dapper monolith Mar 19, 2025, 5:07 PM

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what i decided to do was trains for planet->space rockers system transfers with ships for interstellar made it a bit more of a layered system that i found that fun.

woeful geyser Mar 19, 2025, 5:08 PM

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Rockets are so inefficient though xD

dapper monolith Mar 19, 2025, 5:09 PM

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i know but it was intresting to set that kinda limit on my self 😄

woeful geyser Mar 19, 2025, 5:10 PM

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I do like how Holmium is ported basically straight from SE into SA.

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Well not really but I saw it in the FFF and was like "I've seen this before..."

topaz tide Mar 19, 2025, 5:20 PM

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rigid bramble oh there was a second half to that flowchart meme - remember the Pys part is jus...

i wonder how space age would look like this

umbral meteor Mar 19, 2025, 5:23 PM

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woeful geyser Means ships rarely, if ever, have to idle.

rooBoop

rigid bramble Mar 19, 2025, 5:50 PM

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topaz tide i wonder how space age would look like this

Probably somewhere between K2 and SE

hasty flower Mar 19, 2025, 6:12 PM

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rigid bramble everything needed for the space scien pack in pys

Yeah no thank you lol

hasty flower Mar 27, 2025, 5:10 PM

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Was all I had to do was finally get time to play again for aavak to continue posting the vods?!? Lol what crazy coincidence

umbral meteor Mar 27, 2025, 5:20 PM

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😝

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the Dragon Overlord knows all xD

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:18 AM

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Say, do I really really need those last two cheevos on Space Age?

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I'm thinking of doing a new run, but with small mods and tweaks (or just bobs adjustable inserters)

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Space Age Plus, before Zang throws any mods at me xD

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:31 AM

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Hey, throw me the mods and i could just set up a server for you xD

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my server instance IS updated to latest version

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2.0.43

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:33 AM

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I'm just not looking for anything that idk, makes all biters Legendary xD

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:33 AM

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SA+ aka bunch of QoL

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:34 AM

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Which would be hella rough cus legendary spitters can out range laser turrets

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I'd be happy to see a list of just QoL

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And to look at any quality mods that change how it works

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:36 AM

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Hand Crafting speed research,
Inventory Size research,
warehousing,
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rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:37 AM

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No bobs inserters?

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:37 AM

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you already mentioned that, i'm just mentioning examples

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:38 AM

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Ah right, sorry I thought you had a list already

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:39 AM

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one mod i DO tend to add is "Water Turrets",
essentially early game flame thrower turrets that use water,
will hurt/kill small early biters and slow down medium+ ones.

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:40 AM

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I also need to see which of my previous mods are now 2.0

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And then the biggest question, where do I go first
Cus biolabs are rather desirable, but then fulgora really doesn't have much beyond tesla turrets, plus it needs elevated rails

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:42 AM

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also this is a nice QoL
ammo-turrets-have-at-least-two-ammo-slots, makes turrets have two slots,
great when you have quality modules on ammo production,
letting you essentially skip the constant "out of ammo" message

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:43 AM

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Would be nice if they fixed that

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:44 AM

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symmetric-thruster, also a good one

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:45 AM

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What about thruster doesn't pass through fluids xD

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Or at least not out of the wrong input

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:46 AM

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this mod fixes that, as you can now have thrusters alligned

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---- instead of -_-_-

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:47 AM

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Its when you have the thin design you have to stagger them or it'll push liquids out of the wrong in/output

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Which imo it really shouldn't

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:48 AM

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the mod makes it so same input/output are on both sides on top and bottom

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say fuel top oxidizer bottom

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instead of alternating them

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:49 AM

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I think just having a flipped thruster would be ok

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:50 AM

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true, but with this you don't need that xD

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:50 AM

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Idk, seems fine when you're not cramming them into the smallest space

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But I'd have to actually be looking at my designs

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But then new designs would make use of new inserters xD

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:53 AM

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more of a closeup

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essentially what the mod enables

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:54 AM

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I think I'll pass myself
But other people might want it

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I probably am just going to end up with longreach and bobserters

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:56 AM

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what i need is valves i can open and close using signals, as pumps are limited for throughput.

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:56 AM

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Just need more pumps.... :p

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:57 AM

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moving fast between the first 4 planets is fine, moving too fast to Aquilo or further -> carnage

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 7:58 AM

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Well then, less thrusters xD

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Or make it wider

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Width is top speed, weight is acceleration, right?

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 7:59 AM

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dunno xD

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 8:01 AM

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People complain about space drag, yet miss the part where it allows you to tune your speed

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Its why my aquillo ship has the same amount of thrusters as my fast ship gleba
Whilst being 5x wider

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 8:19 AM

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doesn't work as well when all you have is one platform in space for everything xD

dapper monolith Apr 1, 2025, 11:32 AM

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ill stick to my noddle ships 😄 3 thrusters 14 tiles wide 😄 it makes the belt pasta feel so much worse 😄

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 11:45 AM

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But why not 4 thrusters

dapper monolith Apr 1, 2025, 11:49 AM

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why add more when 3 does all i need for my noodels.

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thiner ships also need less guns to stay safe 🙂

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 11:53 AM

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Cus you could squeeze in a fourth and go super quick

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 11:58 AM

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i think i have 161 on my "Platformer" run xD

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@rigid brambleit seems this will do what i need 😄

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https://mods.factorio.com/mod/configurable-valves

Factorio Mod Portal

Configurable Valves - Factorio Mods

Adds a single configurable valve that can be used for: overflow, top-up and one-way/check. Inspired by Flow Control and Advanced Fluid Handling. Fully configurable with custom levels with intuitive shortcuts.

dapper monolith Apr 1, 2025, 12:24 PM

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rigid bramble Cus you could squeeze in a fourth and go super quick

it already hits 300m/s with base engens 😄 need higher tier ones to go faster 😄 after all "space drag" is based on width 😛

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 1:05 PM

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You can still get 4 in 14 tiles I believe

dapper monolith Apr 1, 2025, 1:12 PM

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that would need 16 as far as i could tell for fueling them, or so my build atempts needed 🙂

woeful geyser Apr 1, 2025, 1:12 PM

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It would look horrid.

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Uneven amounts of thrusters look far better IMO.

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 1:14 PM

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Good news, without mods you have to stagger the four thrusters

dapper monolith Apr 1, 2025, 1:14 PM

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The width you need or the best i have gotten is thruster-width*thruster-count + 2 tiles

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 1:15 PM

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Or maybe just 1 tile, my super slim is in here somewhere xD

woeful geyser Apr 1, 2025, 1:16 PM

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dapper monolith The width you need or the best i have gotten is thruster-width*thruster-count +...

Technically, you can do thrusterWidth*thrusterCount if you use the top one for fuelling.

dapper monolith Apr 1, 2025, 1:16 PM

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never got that to work for both fuel types on both sides

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care to share A working non modded version?

woeful geyser Apr 1, 2025, 1:26 PM

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dapper monolith care to share A working non modded version?

Just input fuel on 1 side oxydizer on the other?

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 1:29 PM

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When I work out how to search on mobile thdn maybe xD

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Iirc you can feed both fuels from the same side

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 1:35 PM

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rigid bramble

This ship

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And I lie, its 18 across

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Might be able to get away with 17 across if you get really funky with the design

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 1:38 PM

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oooh, new qol for discord

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i clicked the "click to see attachment" and i got this

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rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 1:39 PM

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I might have replied with a reply xD

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 1:40 PM

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yes, but it enabled quick jump between them

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 1:41 PM

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Just easier to reuse an existing image xD

hearty meteor Apr 1, 2025, 1:44 PM

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umbral meteor

Hasn't it done that a long time? The CSS has just been updated

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umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 1:52 PM

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i have not noticed it before

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but it MAY be because i'm running PTB

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somehow back in win 7, win went bsod whenever discord "refreshed"
aka hung and restarted.

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so i switched to PTB, and stayed there after

rigid bramble Apr 1, 2025, 2:01 PM

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Windows 7 😮

dapper monolith Apr 1, 2025, 2:17 PM

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Windows 7 why still use that in this day and age 😂

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 2:23 PM

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this were before i got a new pc 2-3 years ago and upgraded to 10

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this computer runs 10, my gaming laptop runs 11

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 2:27 PM

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dapper monolith Windows 7 why still use that in this day and age 😂

i saw no reason to upgrade windows on old hardware unless i HAD to.
but as i built a new computer i went for 10 for a fresh install.

dapper monolith Apr 1, 2025, 2:28 PM

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umbral meteor i saw no reason to upgrade windows on old hardware unless i HAD to. but as i bui...

if its facing the internet the vulnerability might be one otherwise your logic is sound enough 🙂

umbral meteor Apr 1, 2025, 2:30 PM

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if i wanted to go to suspect sites on the internet i used a VN xD

dapper monolith Apr 1, 2025, 2:33 PM

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All site are suspect 😂 the only way to be safe on the web is to not be on it 😄

rigid bramble Apr 2, 2025, 9:48 PM

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so I'm back and can now look at mods again

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also seems bobs mods are updated to 2.0

hearty meteor Apr 2, 2025, 10:06 PM

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Yup, happened a few days ago
Angels are still not updated

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And Seablock obviously won't be 2.0 until Angels is 2.0 along with Bobs

rigid bramble Apr 2, 2025, 10:09 PM

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Heres hoping that may be soon... maybe

hearty meteor Apr 2, 2025, 10:13 PM

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Soon TM

rigid bramble Apr 2, 2025, 10:15 PM

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I just need to look up any SA+ mods I fancy

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also, whut

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I might try the only gleba mod, with a few extras

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like a B17 bomber...

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also latest steam patch has this

hearty meteor Apr 2, 2025, 10:48 PM

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Maybe you should try https://mods.factorio.com/mod/fun_mode ?

Factorio Mod Portal

Fun Mode - Factorio Mods

The ultimate factorio meme mod. Filled with 100+ cursed gameplay changes, such as replacing small electric poles with big ones, causing coal to burn into fish, and adding more yummy science packs to slurp. Now with 100% more green!

rigid bramble Apr 2, 2025, 10:49 PM

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cus I want to play factorio not stream on twitch :p

hearty meteor Apr 2, 2025, 10:50 PM

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That mod is for Factorio, though ;P

rigid bramble Apr 2, 2025, 10:52 PM

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mr beast plays factorio? xD

hearty meteor Apr 2, 2025, 10:55 PM

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Who?

rigid bramble Apr 2, 2025, 11:00 PM

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sounds like the mod you use to make content, not the mod you use to have fun

hearty meteor Apr 2, 2025, 11:10 PM

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People play GregTech New Horizons for fun (according to some people who claim to play it) so I don't see why people wouldn't play Fun Mode just for their own fun

rigid bramble Apr 2, 2025, 11:22 PM

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Fun with a capital S

topaz tide Apr 3, 2025, 12:39 AM

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i watched it and it looked pretty fun

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just a much less serious normal thing

rigid bramble Apr 3, 2025, 7:41 AM

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well Ocean block was a wash
moving onto only gleba, and a flying fortress

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no lighted electric poles though 😦

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long and far reach forked doesn't work either
say can i force it to run a factorio 1.1 mod even in 2.0?

hearty meteor Apr 3, 2025, 7:52 AM

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You can change the JSON to say that the mod is compatible with 2.0. Might give problems with how it actually works but you can have Factorio actually try to run it

umbral meteor Apr 3, 2025, 7:59 AM

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^

rigid bramble Apr 3, 2025, 8:06 AM

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ah so I have to tell it what version it can run on

dapper monolith Apr 3, 2025, 9:18 AM

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sounds like your having fun doing some moding 🙂

rigid bramble Apr 3, 2025, 9:21 AM

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I think I need more help, pentapods don't respect starting area 😮

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Subsurface and RPG mods, you're up

dapper monolith Apr 3, 2025, 9:22 AM

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Sounds like a skill issue 😄 whos skills i do not know.

rigid bramble Apr 3, 2025, 9:33 AM

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see thats why I got the RPG mod to get me some skills

dapper monolith Apr 3, 2025, 9:36 AM

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duff you don't need skills just bluff it 🙂

rigid bramble Apr 3, 2025, 9:40 AM

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I cast.. Transport Belt!

dapper monolith Apr 3, 2025, 10:06 AM

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I cast belt pasta cohhEvil

umbral meteor Apr 3, 2025, 10:11 AM

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i cast.... LEGENDARY BEHEMOTH BITERS!

rigid bramble Apr 3, 2025, 10:22 AM

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I actually have a spell that places transport belt xD

dapper monolith Apr 3, 2025, 10:29 AM

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cohhGasp wich craft!

umbral meteor Apr 3, 2025, 10:34 AM

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time is 1234

rigid bramble Apr 3, 2025, 6:14 PM

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so Gleba only is going to rough for the burner stage, since rocket fuel is a blue science tech

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I have KS power on too, so I'm getting a nice 600kw

dapper monolith Apr 3, 2025, 6:33 PM

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Nice

rigid bramble Apr 3, 2025, 6:34 PM

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I guess I'll be running my smelting off jellynuts or something

dapper monolith Apr 3, 2025, 6:40 PM

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ahhh the gleb factory 🙂

rigid bramble Apr 3, 2025, 6:48 PM

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Only Gleba

dapper monolith Apr 3, 2025, 6:55 PM

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i see it has been growing on you you might wanna get that looked at 😄

rigid bramble Apr 3, 2025, 9:10 PM

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I cast fwend

rigid bramble Apr 3, 2025, 11:54 PM

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ah doesn't seem subsurface mod is letting me go underground 😦

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 1:50 PM

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Oh for.... I have to delete the surface drill first to enter >.<

umbral meteor Apr 4, 2025, 1:53 PM

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🤣

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 1:58 PM

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hey, no-one told me thats how to do it

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hearty meteor Apr 4, 2025, 1:59 PM

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*dug
||Yes, I know it's not your fault ;P||

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 2:01 PM

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digged*

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its like whatever though xD

umbral meteor Apr 4, 2025, 2:03 PM

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digdug?

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 2:22 PM

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what are you shocked at Khaylain? xD
I'm not here to force people to use my language

hearty meteor Apr 4, 2025, 2:27 PM

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Gravd, then

umbral meteor Apr 4, 2025, 2:28 PM

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Grave Grave Hull?

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😝

hearty meteor Apr 4, 2025, 2:29 PM

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Jeg er en dverg og jeg graver et hull, grave grave hull, grave grave hull

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 2:30 PM

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I'll just be here casting tree until I unlock greenhouses xD

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 3:12 PM

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and I've hit another snag, Only Gleba isn't actually on Gleba
so Raigaurds Krastario borrowed greenhouses don't work on not-Gleba 😮

dapper monolith Apr 4, 2025, 3:58 PM

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rigid bramble

it "can't be removed anymore" could have just been can't be removed 🥲

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hows Glabe treating you 🙂

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 4:43 PM

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I need to adjust the power of the sun

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also I need a boatload of green science to see if I can make a well in my cave

dapper monolith Apr 4, 2025, 4:54 PM

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a sun well in a cave sounds interesting 😄

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 4:54 PM

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no, just a water well

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 5:19 PM

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my pets do nothing against the pentapods >.<

dapper monolith Apr 4, 2025, 5:32 PM

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rigid bramble my pets do nothing against the pentapods >.<

mine has gotten me eaten in meny cases 😄 hes on my knees while i try to play a game....

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 5:33 PM

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these kinda pets

dapper monolith Apr 4, 2025, 5:59 PM

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that was not the pets i was looking for 🙂

vivid jackal Apr 4, 2025, 6:02 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/10-gif-25608857

Tenor

dapper monolith Apr 4, 2025, 6:09 PM

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wait they are the pets i was looking for. cohhGasp

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 8:17 PM

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so a question
is it better to burn a higher rated fuel, say 1 coal at 4.0MJ, or 2 wood at 2.0MJ each?

umbral meteor Apr 4, 2025, 8:18 PM

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higher rated fuel -> less belt usage

woeful geyser Apr 4, 2025, 8:19 PM

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rigid bramble so a question is it better to burn a higher rated fuel, say 1 coal at 4.0MJ, or ...

Depends on the fuel efficiency as well.

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But generally density is better.

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 8:19 PM

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just because it is more dense though, right?

hearty meteor Apr 4, 2025, 8:19 PM

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Though you can also have the problem of something having a higher fuel value per item, but lower fuel value per stack (if the stack size is lower) which would impact train logistics

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 8:20 PM

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I can turn wood into coal, but its at a ratio of 2:1

umbral meteor Apr 4, 2025, 8:20 PM

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so basically 1:1 for energy density

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2 wood -> 1 coal -> same energy

hearty meteor Apr 4, 2025, 8:20 PM

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I would probably say that's a good thing, although the energy cost of transformation basically means you lose some energy in the conversion

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 8:21 PM

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I mean eventually I would have bio-rocketfuel and/or electric furnaces

umbral meteor Apr 4, 2025, 8:21 PM

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unless you have unlimited wood, and use wood as fuel for the conversion

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 8:21 PM

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well, about that

hearty meteor Apr 4, 2025, 8:21 PM

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That's a point

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 8:22 PM

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https://mods.factorio.com/mod/k2-greenhouse-plus

Factorio Mod Portal

Krastorio 2 Greenhouse + Wood Pyrolysis - Factorio Mods

Easily grow wood in a greenhouse and convert it to coal and oil through wood pyrolysis. Contains an option for unlocking Coal Liquefaction early, as well as for growing several Gleba crops in their own greenhouses. Graphical assets were borrowed from "Krastorio 2" by raiguard.

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I've been adjusting a little to counter the lack of blue science xD

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though you forget how kinda necessary the heating tower is

rigid bramble Apr 4, 2025, 8:50 PM

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well shit, I'll have to convert the wood to coal to stop it trying to smelt the fuel instead of the ore

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I forget if it was bobs or angels that added the filtered furnace

hearty meteor Apr 4, 2025, 9:01 PM

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Yes

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I would assume it's angels, but I'm by no means sure

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 7:13 AM

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ohh sounds like the space exploration devs are making lots of progress 🙂

woeful geyser Apr 5, 2025, 8:00 AM

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Is it devs? I thought earendel worked on it solo

topaz tide Apr 5, 2025, 8:22 AM

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i can only imagine how much work it is to port that to 2.0 and space age

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or maybe it wont even work with space age

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excited to see what thye come up with

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man that "speedrun" is a crazy time investment

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especially if you do all that just to be too slow

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 8:29 AM

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topaz tide man that "speedrun" is a crazy time investment

the madness

rigid bramble Apr 5, 2025, 8:32 AM

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I have a feeling SE will just need the base game

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like Seablock, and by extension BobsAngels probably too
BA might have an SA integration or fork at some point

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or like a SA compatibility patch

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 8:36 AM

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rigid bramble I have a feeling SE will just need the base game

they still have a lot of work to do according to the public notes. but seem they will have a lot of performance gains which will be nice 🙂

rigid bramble Apr 5, 2025, 8:36 AM

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though Earendel is saying like people on their patreon will get a sneak peek ahead of time

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 8:37 AM

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rigid bramble though Earendel is saying like people on their patreon will get a sneak peek ahe...

Yup. which makes sense since it is such a big project

rigid bramble Apr 5, 2025, 8:37 AM

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dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 8:38 AM

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i just want to get more UPS on my SE base 😄

rigid bramble Apr 5, 2025, 8:38 AM

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you'll get less, I'm sure

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 8:38 AM

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rigid bramble

yup it is where the fun stuff is' 🙂

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 8:38 AM

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rigid bramble you'll get less, I'm sure

zero during testing at times I'm sure 😂

rigid bramble Apr 5, 2025, 8:39 AM

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(sidenote, you can reply without tagging the person xD)

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 8:40 AM

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old habits for busy servers and chats 😛

I've had some horrid interactions due to ppl thinking I was talking to them when I was not, so I end up just playing it safe out of habit.

hearty meteor Apr 5, 2025, 9:00 AM

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topaz tide or maybe it wont even work with space age

AFAIK it's been explicitly stated that SE won't be compatible with SA

woeful geyser Apr 5, 2025, 9:06 AM

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hearty meteor AFAIK it's been explicitly stated that SE won't be compatible with SA

Which I think sucks. SE is interesting but without the space age ship QoL... meh.

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 9:12 AM

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woeful geyser Which I think sucks. SE is interesting but without the space age ship QoL... meh...

it should get a lot of the QOL as thats more engin side but we need to wait as see

woeful geyser Apr 5, 2025, 9:14 AM

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dapper monolith it should get a lot of the QOL as thats more engin side but we need to wait as s...

I just think SA space ships are a lot more interesting than SE space ships.

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 9:15 AM

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they both have different challenges that's for sure

woeful geyser Apr 5, 2025, 9:25 AM

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Eh. I think SE shps are just tedious. Because the only real challenge is supplying enough power and setting up the combinators. I'd MUCH rather use the SA system where this is done with the train-esque system and the challenge is fitting enough production on your ships for the trip.

umbral meteor Apr 5, 2025, 9:26 AM

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or defences, never forget the defences xD

woeful geyser Apr 5, 2025, 9:27 AM

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Yeah, that was implied. But in SE defences is just... spam laser turrets/shields.

topaz tide Apr 5, 2025, 9:27 AM

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hearty meteor AFAIK it's been explicitly stated that SE won't be compatible with SA

yeah i was fairly sure i had heard that

woeful geyser Apr 5, 2025, 9:27 AM

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It is mega boring.

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I'll be disappointed if that's the case. I don't want to make SE space ships now that I've tasted SA.

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 9:42 AM

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Like it like programing SE (ltn style) ships to be more flexible than the SA ones but its also a pain to do any updates 😂

woeful geyser Apr 5, 2025, 9:51 AM

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dapper monolith Like it like programing SE (ltn style) ships to be more flexible than the SA one...

The thing is that SA gives you the option. You can totally program an SA spaceship like an SE one.

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 11:11 AM

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got any examples? 😄

woeful geyser Apr 5, 2025, 11:27 AM

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dapper monolith got any examples? 😄

Aavak did something similar to it. But you can get your current location from the hub.

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And you can use the route signals to trigger interrupts.

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 11:29 AM

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woeful geyser And you can use the route signals to trigger interrupts.

but you can't use signals to decide where to go next as far as i know anyway

woeful geyser Apr 5, 2025, 11:30 AM

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dapper monolith but you can't use signals to decide where to go next as far as i know anyway

You can: Just trigger an interrupt.

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 11:37 AM

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that's still limited compared to what you can manage with pure circuits for more complex routes.

SA does not need that level of complexity for ships 🙂

umbral meteor Apr 5, 2025, 11:40 AM

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rooBoop

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dprCULT

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we the robed people

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also @dapper monolith, just be glad i didn't robe you for a year, like i did with duffelfish xD

dapper monolith Apr 5, 2025, 12:54 PM

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umbral meteor also <@139495097715654656>, just be glad i didn't robe you for a year, like i di...

why would you want to make me suffer so 😄

woeful geyser Apr 5, 2025, 1:07 PM

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dapper monolith that's still limited compared to what you can manage with pure circuits for more...

It's not limited. Instead of setting the destination via combinator, you have to trigger an interrupt by sending a signal to the hub. But you can also forego the combinators and use the actual scheduler instead.

rigid bramble Apr 5, 2025, 1:16 PM

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tying a total conversion mod to SA means that people need to have SA to play it
also to note, Earendel's idea of SA space ships might be wildy different to what they actually landed on

woeful geyser Apr 5, 2025, 1:21 PM

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Still: I feel that it just makes sense for it to be at least compatible with SA.

rigid bramble Apr 5, 2025, 1:22 PM

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Like I say, there might be a compatibility patch, but at the same time it might just be extra unneeded work

topaz tide Apr 5, 2025, 1:23 PM

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probably a lot of extra work

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imagine all the conflicts between just the spaceships

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let alone the new planets system

rigid bramble Apr 5, 2025, 1:23 PM

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there are a lot of things you can't do in space that they might wish you could

topaz tide Apr 5, 2025, 1:23 PM

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it would be awesome but it absolutely makes sense why it would be separate

rigid bramble Apr 6, 2025, 10:09 AM

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Sneaky pentapods, the hatchling broke the inserter feeding nutrients into the machine making more eggs so they would hatch and escape

dapper monolith Apr 6, 2025, 10:54 AM

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it must have been their plan all this time 😄

rigid bramble Apr 6, 2025, 10:59 AM

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if you can believe it, I still don't have bullet damage 1

dapper monolith Apr 6, 2025, 11:11 AM

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that might be a small over sight 😄

rigid bramble Apr 6, 2025, 5:55 PM

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welp, I need to work out how to do basic enough iron and copper with bacteria

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I'm tempted to brute force it with assemblers

rigid bramble Apr 6, 2025, 6:23 PM

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though as an aside, if you do plan on playing Only Gleba too, you will need to bring your own form of stone generation

umbral meteor Apr 7, 2025, 7:41 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWrOQxTINuQ

YouTube

DoshDoshington

Can you reach the Shattered Planet with nothing but TRASH?

In this video, I reuse and recycle, but I certainly don't reduce.
Consider supporting what I do: https://www.patreon.com/Zyllius

Music Used:
Factorio Space Age OST
Lizardking - Popcorn

▶ Play video

hearty meteor Apr 7, 2025, 8:03 AM

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All the sushi. Sushi pipes, sushi belts

topaz tide Apr 7, 2025, 3:02 PM

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aw yess new dosh video is a good day

rigid bramble Apr 7, 2025, 4:18 PM

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ah wait, my numbers were off cus subsurface mod adds more productivity the deeper down you go

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not broken at all, right? xD
though maybe there are more dangers the deeper down you go

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so you got 6 mash and 12 jelly a second, and the bioflux wants 5 and 4 respectively

hearty meteor Apr 7, 2025, 4:30 PM

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"They dug too deep and too greedily"

rigid bramble Apr 7, 2025, 4:32 PM

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enemies can apparently be found underground, but not sure how that works with Only Gleba

topaz tide Apr 7, 2025, 9:04 PM

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my god dosh's genuis just astounds me

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he is 100% a computer nerd of doom and everything he does shows that so much

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he loves clocks and circuits and i love seeing them

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this is the best

topaz tide Apr 8, 2025, 5:30 PM

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rigid bramble Apr 8, 2025, 6:15 PM

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also just want to say how nicely Dectorio wooden boards fit with Gleba swamp

topaz tide Apr 8, 2025, 6:20 PM

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woah thats super sweet

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also neat didnt know the rpg mod gave you a little level indicator

rigid bramble Apr 8, 2025, 6:21 PM

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it does, when it wants to

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Dectorio is a pretty fancy mod tbh

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though would be really cool if you could place the wooden boards on actual swamp

topaz tide Apr 8, 2025, 6:23 PM

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can you place other tiles on swamp?

rigid bramble Apr 8, 2025, 6:24 PM

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only landfill and foundation

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I suppose putting in on landfil works though

rigid bramble Apr 8, 2025, 8:17 PM

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oh wow, I've truely automated.... red science, its only been 25hrs on Only Gleba

rigid bramble Apr 8, 2025, 9:57 PM

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bleh, why do I need to research robotics to launch a rocket, if I don't then plan on using robots until later >.<

hasty flower Apr 9, 2025, 4:06 AM

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So I'm kinda curious as I'm in my first play through. I've hit fulgura and the recyclers have a 25% return yield. There is also the infinite research to increase the return. What is the actual math behind that increase? If I hit 10x of that research am I now at a 50% yield? And then another 10x gets you to 75%?

hearty meteor Apr 9, 2025, 4:26 AM

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I know that you can get to a max of 100% of item cost returned from recyclers, but I have no idea about how the researches work

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 6:30 AM

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I believe that research only affects scrap itself

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I'll have to check when I get up, but I don't think you can increase other resouces beyond the initial 25% return

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Infact, placing two recyclers facing each other is a nice way to void a resource

hasty flower Apr 9, 2025, 6:42 AM

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rigid bramble Infact, placing two recyclers facing each other is a nice way to void a resource

I've been using a ring of 4 for some extra speedy trash

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 6:42 AM

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Usually 2 is enough for a basic resource

hasty flower Apr 9, 2025, 6:45 AM

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Over flowing on concrete and it's stone and iron ore so 4 ring seems to clog less 🤷‍♂️

hasty flower Apr 9, 2025, 6:46 AM

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rigid bramble I'll have to check when I get up, but I don't think you can increase other resou...

You are right it's only for scrap I wasn't reading the details

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 6:46 AM

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Yeah, more complex resouces need more
Though, why not save the concrete to pave over Gleba xD

hasty flower Apr 9, 2025, 6:47 AM

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Need more chests then lol not enough island space as haven't made it far enough to pave fulgura lol

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 10:44 AM

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so a question, but how do I reliably get 5 rot a second O.o

dapper monolith Apr 9, 2025, 10:56 AM

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much waste 😄

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 10:58 AM

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but with what exactly

hallow steppe Apr 9, 2025, 11:13 AM

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If you recycle nutrients it produces more spoilage than if you allow them to decay naturally.

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 11:16 AM

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huh, thats a nice little cheat

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though I'm a bit far off recyclers

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I need to set up bioflux, then figure out proper bacteria shuffling
and then I should have blue science automated

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and thennnn I can go into space

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though I wonder who told Khaylain you can get 100% of the material back from recycling

hallow steppe Apr 9, 2025, 11:25 AM

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Probably thinking of recycling/production loops with 300% productivity on the production stage.

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As to spoilage without recycling nutrients, I think that Yumako mash is the fastest to spoil, so make 5/sec of that and put it in a box with filtered outputs?

woeful geyser Apr 9, 2025, 11:35 AM

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Certain recipes allow this.

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 11:51 AM

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I'm probably going to have lots of bioflux though, so I could just turn some of that into nutrients to spoil

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I have a mod that adds a greenhouse for spoilage, and one for rock and spoilage, but thats like 0.4/s

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though I've seen a mod to add a machine to make things spoil, hmmm

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 11:52 AM

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woeful geyser Certain recipes allow this.

What was this in relation to?

woeful geyser Apr 9, 2025, 11:54 AM

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rigid bramble What was this in relation to?

Being able to get 100% of ingredients back via recycling... ish.

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You get 1/4th back but with prod. research you can get 300% productivity, allowing you to use that 1/4th of resources to make 1 unit again

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Also if you need spoilage: Just make iron bacteria.

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Guaranteed 4 spoilage/cycle

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 11:55 AM

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sounds more like you would have 400% productivity on your production rather than the recycling

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(or +300%?)

woeful geyser Apr 9, 2025, 11:56 AM

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+300% yes

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For every 1 thing you make, you get 3 extra

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 11:58 AM

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so if you weren't recycling then you you would get 4x as much

woeful geyser Apr 9, 2025, 11:58 AM

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Yes.

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 11:58 AM

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so to me thats still a quarter of what you could be getting

woeful geyser Apr 9, 2025, 11:59 AM

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Mind you that takes... 20-30 levels of prod research depending on how many/what tier of quality modules ur using

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 12:00 PM

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I was just about to ask how you even get to 400% total prod

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though you would only need 15-20 levels with the appropiate modules

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heck, is there any point going past 15?

woeful geyser Apr 9, 2025, 12:04 PM

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@rigid bramble Going to 30 lets you stop using prod modules altogether and focus purely on speed/quality.

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Though... for most recipes you'll only have to go to 25 (thanks to innate prod) but for like plastic you'd have to go to 30.

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 12:05 PM

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bioplastic?

woeful geyser Apr 9, 2025, 12:07 PM

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Gleba-only tho

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 12:07 PM

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And? xD

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I mean the resources you need are there too

woeful geyser Apr 9, 2025, 12:07 PM

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Okay for YOU it doesn't matter.

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 12:07 PM

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you know fruits are infinite

woeful geyser Apr 9, 2025, 12:08 PM

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But other people tend to not make all plastic on Gleba.

rigid bramble Apr 9, 2025, 12:08 PM

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like actually infinite

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I suppose space plastic is also infinite

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plus you say that, but you want to go from 15 to 30 on all productivity research xD

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You know your Gleba defence woes can be solved with tesla turrets and artillery, right?

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or laser damage 30 xD

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meanwhile I have two entire levels of physical projectile damage... and I can see a medium stomper within spitting distance of my egg reprocessing

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 1:50 AM

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eyyyyy blue science

nocturne blaze Apr 10, 2025, 2:04 AM

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-# I feel like I should yeet duffel and/or roadtrain at archipelago factorio xD
-# this is a late night thought (tm) pay it no mind dprDERP

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 2:17 AM

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no no, Roadtrain needs to play Only Gleba for his crimes of throwing Dredge under the bus

dapper monolith Apr 10, 2025, 4:48 AM

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Mai that sounds like a great idea lets have them do it in co-op 😄

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 7:17 AM

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rigid bramble no no, Roadtrain needs to play Only Gleba for his crimes of throwing Dredge unde...

I'd rather throw myself under an actual bus

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 7:20 AM

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its where you belong... :p

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but look I have blue science now

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 7:20 AM

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rigid bramble its where you belong... :p

You cheated.

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 7:21 AM

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how is it me cheating
if I wanted play Dredge, I'd go play it myself xD

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 10:18 AM

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say Roadtrain, how many plants do I need to support the 6:2:5 ratio of bioflux?

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 10:39 AM

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rigid bramble say Roadtrain, how many plants do I need to support the 6:2:5 ratio of bioflux?

Define 'plants'.

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 10:40 AM

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trees, jellystems, the things that bear fruit

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 10:40 AM

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Uhhhh...

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Lemme do some math

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 10:41 AM

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cus I don't think 8 Yamako is enough

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 10:46 AM

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According to the jellystam wiki, 1 biochamber (without modules) can process 12 jellystams/yumako trees.
So if you want nonstop production you need:
24 jellystams
72 yumako trees
An agricultural tower with optimal placement can support 48 trees I believe.
So you need 0.5 a tower's worth of jelly, and 1.5 towers farming mash. By this logic, it make sense to double up the setup, which comes to 3 mash farms and 1 jelly farm for 12 plants non-stop producing bioflux.

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Or you can use the overflow for other recipes. Probably that.

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@rigid bramble satisfied? 😛

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 10:47 AM

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47 trees, if you plan to add in and outputs

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 10:48 AM

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... Ah right fuck I forgot to account for the tower itself XD

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 10:48 AM

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you did, cus its 7x7

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3 optimal placements though, might be a bit tough

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 10:49 AM

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No I discounted the fact you needed to add inputs and outputs. I just forgot the tower also takes a spot

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 10:50 AM

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this map ain't looking good O.o

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 10:51 AM

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Better get to unlocking that artificial soil

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 10:51 AM

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you mean the stuff that needs purple and yellow and biter eggs?

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 10:52 AM

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Uhhh no?

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That's overgrowth.

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Oh wait am I getting the colours mixed up again.

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 10:53 AM

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I mean you get artificial soil not long after you land

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 10:54 AM

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That was the one I was aiming for. But you see, the challenge of designing/ratio'ing Gleba was fun to me. I just dread any kind of defensive setup. Which is why I hate Gleba. Because it's nauvis but worse

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 10:54 AM

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just ratio up some bio-rocketfuel, and spam tesla turrets

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 10:55 AM

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It is interesting that Gleba is the only planet that will actually run forever.

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 10:55 AM

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I just have a slight bug problem

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 10:57 AM

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Stone isn't critical, and the other things are all farm-able and as such, literally infinite. Assuming no attacks manage to wipe out the power grid, Gleba would run forever. All other factories require the player to find the next ore patch (okay except for space platforms that don't require nuclear/fusion, they are also infinite)

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 10:57 AM

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normal Gleba, they shouldn't be attacking the power grid

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 11:26 AM

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hmm, might be that some modules help with my lack of yamako

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 11:27 AM

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My calculations were done without any modules.

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 11:27 AM

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well if I add 4% to every stage, the ratio should hold, right?

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I haven't made or sourced any more yamako xD

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I just need my iron to not stop because it ran out of bioflux

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 11:30 AM

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rigid bramble well if I add 4% to every stage, the ratio should hold, right?

Not exactly. You'd have to account for that. And with a boost that small that gets... ugly

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 11:31 AM

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but I can also make better use of the iron ore

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and efficiency means I use less for nutrients

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 11:36 AM

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Were u not talking 4% prod?

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 11:38 AM

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a little bit of both

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I need to balance the consumption

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so just 1 prod 1 in each biochamber, and 2 prord 1 eff

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 11:40 AM

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btw. U messed up remembering the ratio. It's 5:2:6 not 6:2:5

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Only just realized

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 11:41 AM

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we both know what we mean though xD

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 11:41 AM

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Which means u only need 60 yumako trees

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 11:42 AM

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it makes 6 mash, but only needs 5 per, right?

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 11:43 AM

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More like it makes 18 but needs 15

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But the ratio is correct (if my typing seems slow it's cuz several of my keys don't always work and I have to use the windows keyboard to fill those in. Said keys are I, L, Y & the enter key...)

rigid bramble Apr 10, 2025, 11:46 AM

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Well 30 is the common number between them

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 11:46 AM

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That's how I found it. 6x5=30

hearty meteor Apr 10, 2025, 6:36 PM

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woeful geyser But the ratio is correct (if my typing seems slow it's cuz several of my keys do...

ILY

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-# come on, you can say you only see me as a friend ;P

woeful geyser Apr 10, 2025, 6:38 PM

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not a joke tho

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those keys are in fact not working

hearty meteor Apr 10, 2025, 6:47 PM

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I mean, I kinda assumed you weren't joking, but it was just too good of a setup not to capitalize on

umbral meteor Apr 10, 2025, 7:27 PM

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😁

rigid bramble Apr 12, 2025, 2:15 AM

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question, is there a mod to add an auto-sorting chest?

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I think a problem with my iron bacteria setup is the chest is full of single or small stacks of iron ore

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the sort of setup I'm running now

umbral meteor Apr 12, 2025, 2:19 AM

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there IS an option without mods xD

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Vehicle, like car or use a Cargo Wagon

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they have filtered inventories

rigid bramble Apr 12, 2025, 2:21 AM

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I need it to combine the 20 stacks of 5 ore each

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to solve this issue for instance

umbral meteor Apr 12, 2025, 2:21 AM

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here

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https://mods.factorio.com/mod/FilterChests

Factorio Mod Portal

Filter Chests - Factorio Mods

Adds filter support to all chests (including logistic, linked, and all modded chests).

rigid bramble Apr 12, 2025, 2:22 AM

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but does it combine stacks, like the player inventory does?

umbral meteor Apr 12, 2025, 2:23 AM

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i assume so?`i though chests did that regardless

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but then again, you can filter what you want stored

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and it will only fill sayy ore in those slots

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so you can filter two row for bacteria, and rest ore,
or the other way around

rigid bramble Apr 12, 2025, 2:25 AM

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might be a mod I have to use regardless, at least the build separate fitler chests

umbral meteor Apr 12, 2025, 2:25 AM

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with this mod ALL chests become filtered xD

rigid bramble Apr 12, 2025, 2:26 AM

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I mean a chest will get loaded smartly and fill stacks before starting new ones
but with the bacteria into ore, I've got it to put the bacteria into a chest until it spoils into ore, so naturally bacteria doesn't stack with ore

umbral meteor Apr 12, 2025, 2:26 AM

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which i assume will affect warehouses as well, as they are essentially a modded chest

rigid bramble Apr 12, 2025, 2:26 AM

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looks like it has options to me

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context aware quick filter looks nice too, very much like DSP

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https://mods.factorio.com/mod/FilterHelper

Factorio Mod Portal

Filter Helper - Factorio Mods

Adds context aware quick select for filter inserters.

rigid bramble Apr 12, 2025, 2:51 AM

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this might be what I want, plus notnotamelon is good people I hear
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/chest-auto-sort

Factorio Mod Portal

Chest Auto Sort - Factorio Mods

Automatically sorts any opened chests, warehouses, or cargo wagons.

hearty meteor Apr 12, 2025, 2:53 AM

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notnotmelon has a lot of great mods

rigid bramble Apr 12, 2025, 3:02 AM

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meanwhile I'm just tripping up on the in game mod UI

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and the fact you can't change settings until you reload the game with the mods installed, and then you have to reload the game again if you change any 'on startup' settings

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works a treat when I actually click install first and not confirm xD

rigid bramble Apr 12, 2025, 3:50 AM

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bleh, Fliter helper doesn't quite work as well as it does in DSP

rigid bramble Apr 12, 2025, 4:53 AM

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hey pentapodssss... guess what

hasty flower Apr 12, 2025, 3:54 PM

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rigid bramble the sort of setup I'm running now

It wouldn't be as tight of a build but if you have a filtered arm moving just the ore to a second chest it should stack neatly. I'm assuming the random size stacks you are getting is bc bacteria with different levels of decay don't combine into stacks when added to the chest. Pulling just the ore out of the chest should then ignore decay as ore no longer has decay

rigid bramble Apr 13, 2025, 6:59 AM

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well I installed a mod so.... xD

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also hot damn these kitties can move

dapper monolith Apr 13, 2025, 9:08 AM

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thats a big cat 😄

umbral meteor Apr 13, 2025, 3:25 PM

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rigid bramble also hot damn these kitties can move

JellyCatRoll

atomic aurora Apr 14, 2025, 6:07 AM

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rigid bramble to solve this issue for instance

Legitimate question, is that even an issue to be solved? If you have that many partial stacks, that just means your potential iron production is greater than your iron consumption, in which case it doesn't really matter that the bacteria don't have anywhere to go at the moment

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As soon as iron consumption increases, chest slots will become free, bacteria can go into the chest again, and there's likely a reasonable buffer of iron down-stream so the bacteria have time to decay

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Unless you rely on continuous bacteria breeding, in which case the system will eventually lock up anyway, even with filtered and auto-sorting chests

rigid bramble Apr 14, 2025, 6:30 AM

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I have the idea you have to keep passing and processing the bacteria so it doesn't spoil inside a machine.
But hopefully by the time it does lock up, I have multiple steel chests of ore as a buffer, or a second chest could sort the issue of not auto sorting

atomic aurora Apr 14, 2025, 6:38 AM

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Personally, my gleba setup consists of a tiny starter setup that seeds both the main nutrient and bacteria cycles, and a return line for all the spoilage.
The bacteria cycles themselves use feeder breeders to populate a rondel which gets filtered of iron continuously. From there, it really doesn't matter how long iron consumption stops, or how long the bacteria sit in the machines.

rigid bramble Apr 14, 2025, 6:41 AM

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Thing is, I've got it modded for only Gleba
I have to make my iron and copper on Gleba, and I have to do my science on Gleba
So you need a buttload of ores xD

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But I have made it into space now, so that might help some

atomic aurora Apr 14, 2025, 7:09 AM

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But oh boy, factorio really is a game that turns free time into endorphins at a scary pace. My last 20-ish hours of gameplay have been re-designing my space platforms, but I kept getting side-tracked fixing one or another system, dealing with quality products, and just generally being distracted

dapper monolith Apr 14, 2025, 8:24 AM

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they why we call it cracktorio now and then 😂

rigid bramble Apr 14, 2025, 5:37 PM

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Oh lawd they comin

umbral meteor Apr 14, 2025, 5:51 PM

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dprRIP

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RhyRip

rigid bramble Apr 14, 2025, 5:52 PM

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Starro has entered the building

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but guess what... I can remote drive the hovercraft

rigid bramble Apr 14, 2025, 6:10 PM

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oh and the baneblade

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and Lex's aircraft, and they seem to have a radar on board

hasty flower Apr 14, 2025, 11:15 PM

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I'm avoiding gleba as long as possible lol fulgura was fun Vulcanus is annoying but about to have the cliff explosives to make placing everything easier lol

atomic aurora Apr 15, 2025, 6:18 AM

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You can just juke one of the demolishers to clear the cliffs for you, you just need some power armor with shields and enough legs to out speed the demo even in their slowdown AOE

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Dunno if the mech armor lets you ignore that slowdown or not, but if you went to fulgora first it certainly wouldn't hurt with all the lava lakes

rigid bramble Apr 15, 2025, 8:39 AM

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I feel the mech suit only jumps over obstacles, not sure a demolisher counts as such

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though I wonder if they can affect 'flying' units

woeful geyser Apr 15, 2025, 8:41 AM

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||Mech armour will NOT be able to fly when affected by a demolisher||

rigid bramble Apr 15, 2025, 8:44 AM

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but what about a B17 bomber...

rigid bramble Apr 15, 2025, 10:02 AM

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well I've automated Purple, kinda, I'm a bit short on iron
though I have massively increased the smelting, I just need to figure out the ore

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might be time to start up that mining platform in space

atomic aurora Apr 16, 2025, 6:00 AM

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Hey, what's people's stance on where to make quantum processors, aquilo or space platforms?

rigid bramble Apr 16, 2025, 6:08 AM

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Why not Nauvis?

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idk, I didn't get that far xD

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tbh when I saw the prize of doing Prom science was more science productivity (spend all that time doing science to unlock the ability to do yet more science)
that was the point I was like, welp I'm done

atomic aurora Apr 16, 2025, 6:50 AM

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Can't make them on nauvis, only space plat and aquilo

rigid bramble Apr 16, 2025, 6:54 AM

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ah gravity required 0

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looks like space platform then

atomic aurora Apr 16, 2025, 7:07 AM

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No, pressure required < 600Pa

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I think, not currently able to look it up

rigid bramble Apr 16, 2025, 7:50 AM

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I looked, and it might be due to Only Gleba mod, but it says gravity of zero

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nothing on the wiki about crafting requirements though :/

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I think making it in space would make sense as you have that slight extra fuss with not being able to transfer between platforms

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also, hey fellas....

hasty flower Apr 16, 2025, 6:59 PM

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Has anyone let eggs spoil on a platform yet just to find out if they spawn?

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I also see the press enter to leave vehicle while in the rocket going between a planet and platform. Anyone try that one yet lol?

hearty meteor Apr 16, 2025, 7:15 PM

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hasty flower Has anyone let eggs spoil on a platform yet just to find out if they spawn?

Yes. Not me, but I have gotten confirmation that eggs spoiling on space platforms spawn their relevant entity.

topaz tide Apr 16, 2025, 10:26 PM

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lol

rigid bramble Apr 17, 2025, 1:00 AM

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biters in spaaaaace

vivid jackal Apr 17, 2025, 1:23 AM

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Spiters?

atomic aurora Apr 17, 2025, 6:31 AM

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Just proves that biters are only one BSP away from conquering all of space

rigid bramble Apr 17, 2025, 6:53 AM

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right, I think I'm winning
though I still think combat is mismatched

topaz tide Apr 17, 2025, 1:24 PM

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found this from someone doing 1k science multiplier space age

atomic aurora Apr 17, 2025, 2:05 PM

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Monumental tasks require monumental builds

topaz tide Apr 17, 2025, 2:08 PM

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im wondering if its expandable :p

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though id personally do multiple smaller setups for looks

atomic aurora Apr 17, 2025, 2:33 PM

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I'd never considered staggering the boilers like that, that's actually pretty sick, and I might nab that idea for the future

hearty meteor Apr 17, 2025, 2:36 PM

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Try that in 1.1.110 ;P

dapper monolith Apr 17, 2025, 2:48 PM

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hearty meteor Try that in 1.1.110 ;P

https://tenor.com/view/power-plant-towers-destruction-nuclear-gif-14793786

Tenor

rigid bramble Apr 18, 2025, 4:00 PM

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so whats the play on beacons and power usage?
I have 3 going currently, maxing out at 1.3mw usage, I add a fourth and suddenly it needs 8.6mw

vivid jackal Apr 18, 2025, 4:35 PM

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How do beacons interact with each other, do any modules affect other beacons?

umbral meteor Apr 18, 2025, 4:37 PM

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normally no, modded however... all bets are off xD

rigid bramble Apr 18, 2025, 4:38 PM

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no mods for beacons on my end
though the building I'm trying to buff is added by a mod

hasty flower Apr 18, 2025, 4:56 PM

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I wonder if it is calculating the effect on the buildings as part of the beacon power rather than the building power

rigid bramble Apr 19, 2025, 3:48 AM

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also in case you're ever wondering, you can't use a subsurface drill on a space platform, well you can, you can't delete it afterwards, and it doesn't create a new layer

rigid bramble Apr 19, 2025, 4:14 PM

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So does anyone know if there is a mod on 2.0 that will set inserters to use an empty filter when placed? or starting in an inactive state
just so it doesn't start trying to take whatever it feels like from a box or machine

atomic aurora Apr 19, 2025, 4:23 PM

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I usually just build inserters angled where they won't pull from anywhere when that's an issue, so I don'#t see why there would need to be such a mod. alternatively, you could use a blueprint or copy/paste an inserter that's already set up properly

umbral meteor Apr 19, 2025, 4:36 PM

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^

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having a standing blueprint for inserters with say 🟥 as filter, also works

atomic aurora Apr 19, 2025, 4:39 PM

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or, better, a blueprint where the filter is a parameter

umbral meteor Apr 19, 2025, 4:39 PM

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that is also an option

atomic aurora Apr 19, 2025, 4:41 PM

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if there was a mod to set inserters to not pull anything I didn't set them to, Id find having to remove that block 90% of the time to be way more annoying

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 2:52 AM

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more annoying than having just thrown all your grabber arms off th side of your space platform? xD

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 8:41 AM

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umbral meteor having a standing blueprint for inserters with say 🟥 as filter, also works

or setting it to enabled when 🟥 = 1 🙂
i do the same with my station blueprints just to ensure that its all good 😄

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 8:46 AM

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it doesn't even need anything to be set as the filter, it just needs to be ticked to use filters

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 8:49 AM

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true but i like having it disabled so i can ensure they get set right 😄 when doing build that need it

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 8:52 AM

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but it is disabled if it has nothing set to filter

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it'll only pick up what you set to filter, so if you don't set anything...

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 8:54 AM

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If it starts as disabled, I can go over the filters and make sure they are correct before things go sideways 😄 and i end up with sushi belts

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 8:55 AM

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I just want it to start like this

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 8:57 AM

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That only works if you don't need filters on them, in the first place.

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same result different use cases, that all

atomic aurora Apr 20, 2025, 8:58 AM

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rigid bramble more annoying than having just thrown all your grabber arms off th side of your ...

imma be honest, if you build an inserter on a space platform, able to grab from the hub and pointing at empty space, that's kinda your own fault. not doing that is like, space platform 101

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 8:59 AM

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atomic aurora imma be honest, if you build an inserter on a space platform, able to grab from ...

i just limit the input of my ships 😂 means i don't overflow but it does cause other issues when you don't get enough of some rocks 😄

atomic aurora Apr 20, 2025, 9:00 AM

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with the space plat hub, I always make sure the inserter is either parallel to the hub, or pointing at solid ground, so it'll pull a few items at most, which I can just deconstruct and they will find thir way back into the hub

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:00 AM

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well I grabbed before it did any harm

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:01 AM

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dapper monolith That only works if you don't need filters on them, in the first place.

this is because I do need them filtered?
I want to have a chance to set the filter before it starts working

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if you do this, it won't pick anything up because you haven't told it what it can pick up

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 9:02 AM

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I'm about re design my ships again as I have yet to rebuild them since i got the better tech for rock prossesing 🙂

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 9:04 AM

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rigid bramble if you do this, it won't pick anything up because you haven't told it what it ca...

I'm away that a empty white list will do that but it falls flat when its not an empty white list 😛 and you messed up the filter.

That why I said same result different use case,

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:05 AM

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I just want to be able to place them with that checkbox ticked

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 9:07 AM

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BP or mod is likely your best bet for that.

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:08 AM

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yeah my question was if anyone knew such a mod xD

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 9:08 AM

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i need to redo most of my gleb base one day 😢 I made it in such a horrid way 😂

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i only know of filter_assistant but thats for chests

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:11 AM

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DSP did it an awseome way btw

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 9:11 AM

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how so?

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:12 AM

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you select what you want it to grab as you place it

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 9:15 AM

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that seems like a unneeded extra step most of the time.

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:18 AM

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its not going to do it unless it has a choice of items to pick

atomic aurora Apr 20, 2025, 9:19 AM

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yeah, I really don't think the 5-10% of cases where you don't want an inserter to start working immediately is worth a mod that would require you to fiddle with all the other inserters you place, while fixing a problem that already has 2 to 3 solutions with the tools available in an unmodded game

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and th 5-10% is being very generous

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 9:21 AM

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I do it when designing/test my factory blocks but BP prams solve most of it once the block is done

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:21 AM

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I feel it doing something you don't want to is worth more than the 10% of times you need a filtered inserter
plus mods let you tailor the game to how you want it to function

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also a heck of a lot of Gleba is filtering inserters and absolutely sending the right thing down the right lane

atomic aurora Apr 20, 2025, 9:23 AM

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I'm not saying you shouldn't want a mod for this if it's really what you want, I'm just saying I find it very unlikely such a mod exists.

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ony gleba I do use a lot of filtered inserters, but also a lot of filtered splitters

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:24 AM

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you know there is like a dozen mods to hard remove quality xD

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 9:24 AM

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but you can disable that easly so why make a mod for it 😂

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:24 AM

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and maybe twice that to prevent you doing asteroid shuffle cheese

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to play SA you need the quality module active

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but yes it is easy to just not research quality modules 1

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 9:25 AM

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oh look i can do what a mod wanted done in base in a few clicks 😛

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:26 AM

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try to run it without a required mod, I dare you xD

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 9:26 AM

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now i dont get why you would need it for SA tbh

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:27 AM

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because of the recycler

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 9:27 AM

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more detail?

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the elavated rails are also required why?

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well i get it would be good for fug but not 100% hard required

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:29 AM

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if you want to automate Fulgora you need elevated rails

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technically you can origami your science onto the starting island

woeful geyser Apr 20, 2025, 9:30 AM

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Unless you want to wait until foundations.

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 9:32 AM

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the recycler is part of the quality mod, so that you can recycle if you just enabled quality and not SA

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otherwise I believe they would have to have the recycler be an entirely separate mod

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 9:44 AM

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But why was it not a updated building in the quality mod, it would have removed the dependency that seems like a odd but deliberate choice

woeful geyser Apr 20, 2025, 9:46 AM

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dapper monolith But why was it not a updated building in the quality mod, it would have removed ...

What do u mean exactly.

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 10:56 AM

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So rather than having the building as part of Quality mod, why not have it in base and update it with the Quality mod to have the quality mechanic (with the modules like every thing else) so it would not be a must have dep for space age

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 11:06 AM

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you can't have it part of the base mod as that would mean its not part of the dlc (and doesn't have any use besides recycling unwanted junk caused by gambling with quality)

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and the obvious use for scrap processing

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 11:10 AM

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rigid bramble you can't have it part of the base mod as that would mean its not part of the dl...

that not my point duff, my point as it like elavated rails should not be required to play space age even if would it make some stuff horrid 😄

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 11:13 AM

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its a game about automation, and without elevated rails its next to impossible to fully automate Fulgora
and no I wouldn't class my solution of a remote driven tank to be a solution xD

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 11:14 AM

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remote spidertrons and bots can cover a lot 😛
until foundations

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and yes i treat them as walking logi chests currently 😛

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 11:16 AM

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how do you even insert into a spidertron

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hmm yeah I could have done a request

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 11:19 AM

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alas i going to re turn to my spider ran scrap base 😄 and maybe manage to get foundations and better trains going 😛

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 11:59 AM

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now my next issue is an electric boiler xD

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 1:03 PM

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so question, does the landing pad still operate as a one way logistics chest?
(you can take out, but not put in etc)

atomic aurora Apr 20, 2025, 1:22 PM

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seems like it

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 1:25 PM

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hmm, one of my mods must be interferring with it

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 5:21 PM

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I got 99 crafts but a U-235 ain't one

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 5:23 PM

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it could be worse... you could have a power shortage 😄 with 25GW reactor not providing enough power...

seem i need to upgrade it soon

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 5:24 PM

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I just saw it had done exactly 99 crafts, and so... xD

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 5:26 PM

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Fair 😄 i need to work on my 100 GW reactor 😄 i hope it does not explode 😂 i will be sad if it does

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 5:27 PM

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you should get it to temperature, then shoot it, for science

dapper monolith Apr 20, 2025, 5:27 PM

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it would go boom 😄

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like...

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https://tenor.com/view/incident-gif-2918735537143349347

diregard top text i did not see it

Tenor

rigid bramble Apr 20, 2025, 5:51 PM

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"Tell the guardsmen the cavalry has arrived!"

rigid bramble Apr 21, 2025, 2:56 PM

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I may have a few tanks

topaz tide Apr 21, 2025, 2:58 PM

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wonderful

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i love how ridiculously big the baneblade is

rigid bramble Apr 21, 2025, 3:00 PM

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its demolisher cannon can actually destroy cliffs too

rigid bramble Apr 21, 2025, 3:28 PM

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but now you're tempting me to get the P.1000 Ratte

dapper monolith Apr 21, 2025, 3:29 PM

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you need a larger tank

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that can drive over and remove cliffs 😄

rigid bramble Apr 21, 2025, 3:42 PM

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A bigger tank you say...

hearty meteor Apr 21, 2025, 3:49 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

Tenor

rigid bramble Apr 21, 2025, 3:50 PM

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no-one ever designed a bigger tank xD

topaz tide Apr 21, 2025, 4:29 PM

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thats ridiculous

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at that point theyre just gonna make bigger landmines and lay em while they run away

rigid bramble Apr 21, 2025, 4:31 PM

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I mean the Landkreuzer design was ridiculous xD

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and the ingame version guzzles fuel about as fast as its reported to have needed were it to ever have been made

umbral meteor Apr 21, 2025, 4:41 PM

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rigid bramble A bigger tank you say...

what is this tiny little thing? xD

rigid bramble Apr 21, 2025, 4:44 PM

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Only the largest tank ever designed

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moves at a speedy 21km/h, has 100k hitpoints, one shots big stompers for breakfast...

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didn't manage to fully test it, because it ran out of fuel just outside my base

dapper monolith Apr 21, 2025, 7:14 PM

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rigid bramble A bigger tank you say...

yes

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 7:57 AM

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woo I have a garage..

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also if you wondering why I'm messing about its cus I'm waiting for those 40 glowy green rocks

dapper monolith Apr 22, 2025, 7:58 AM

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but where do you park the big one 😄

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 7:58 AM

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it needs research, and I'm waiting for the biolabs

dapper monolith Apr 22, 2025, 7:58 AM

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😂

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i need to make them in my game as well been putting it off for ages 😄

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 9:16 AM

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rip

dapper monolith Apr 22, 2025, 9:58 AM

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that was a quick run

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 11:36 AM

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take two, and I don't know why it isn't pathing now

dapper monolith Apr 22, 2025, 11:37 AM

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that's not great.

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 12:00 PM

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I can never seem to get dual track system to marry to a single track system

hearty meteor Apr 22, 2025, 12:05 PM

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Really? I haven't had any problems with that. I generally don't do it much, but it works fine.

woeful geyser Apr 22, 2025, 12:09 PM

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rigid bramble I can never seem to get dual track system to marry to a single track system

1 line continues going straight, the other merges into it.

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Or, if you're using 1 tile spacing, you can make an actual Y junction. Which I think looks pretty.

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 12:21 PM

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I had this, but it wasn't playing dice
but it is now

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hearty meteor Apr 22, 2025, 12:27 PM

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That normal rail signal on the bidirectional line should probably be a chain signal...

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The basic thing would be that only the ends of bidirectional track can get a normal rail signal, everywhere else on the bidirectional track needs to be chain signals.

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 12:30 PM

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there is only going to be one train down that line at any point anyway

hearty meteor Apr 22, 2025, 12:30 PM

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🤷‍♂️

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I'm just saying what I would do, I guess

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 12:31 PM

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though, won't it stop it going down there if the single rail is blocked?

hearty meteor Apr 22, 2025, 12:31 PM

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I really don't know enough of your full railway system to answer that, I'm afraid

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 12:32 PM

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but if the block after the normal signal is occupied, it show up as red?

hearty meteor Apr 22, 2025, 12:33 PM

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That sounds correct

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 12:33 PM

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so it'll stop a train trying to go down there on the first chain signal, right?

hearty meteor Apr 22, 2025, 12:33 PM

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Depends on what's further down the line would be my initial answer

woeful geyser Apr 22, 2025, 12:34 PM

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@rigid bramble are there any more signals along that single track line or does it lead straight to a station.

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 12:36 PM

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would have gone down to a station with a switchback

woeful geyser Apr 22, 2025, 12:37 PM

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... so there are more signals?

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 12:38 PM

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probably not needed on the switchback

woeful geyser Apr 22, 2025, 12:38 PM

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Question: Why the fuck do you even need a switchback lmao.

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I'm now way too intrigued. @rigid bramble show me where that track goes I wanna see this.

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 12:39 PM

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soi it can go back along the rails? xD

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I don't do double header trains

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this was what it would look like, but I've got two rails now

woeful geyser Apr 22, 2025, 12:40 PM

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That's not a switchback

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That's just a loop.

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 12:41 PM

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it goes round and back the way it came

woeful geyser Apr 22, 2025, 12:41 PM

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A switchback is an actual railroading term.

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There's several variations of it but it involves either making large, sweeping bends across a hill so you get a less steep grade, or literally having pieces of track that dead-end, but allow you to go back and forth along a series of switches to get up that hill.

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Lemme pull up paint.

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Spoilered to hopefully make it less of an eyesore immediately but these are switchbacks. The idea is that you use the extra space to achieve a more gradual incline.

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 12:46 PM

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well I'm trying to work how to use subways with subsurface mod

woeful geyser Apr 22, 2025, 12:46 PM

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Isn't there a tunnel building?

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 12:50 PM

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it goes in bounces out, then gets stuck

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the building is called a 'subway'

atomic aurora Apr 22, 2025, 12:59 PM

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rigid bramble I don't do double header trains

Sorry but, if you don't use double-headed trains, why do you even bother with bi-directional rail sections?

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Seems like an entirely unnecessary hassle for no good reason

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 1:05 PM

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why is it an extra hassle?
its just an off-set station that uses the same entry and exit rail

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I can get a train to go up, but not down

atomic aurora Apr 22, 2025, 1:14 PM

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"why is it extra hassle" in the midst of a conversation on how to get it to work properly...

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Sorry, that's not very helpful. Ignore me, I'm just feeling a bit spicy today.

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 1:18 PM

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I don't know why it wasn't pathing through my junction, its working now

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its a case of this

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but my bigger issue is the subsurface subway not letting trains go down a layer

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it seems to just bounce back out again

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 6:32 PM

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eh sod it, now to work out how I can transfer logi requests between layers

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 6:49 PM

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I can't actually transfer signals between surfaces can I >.<

umbral meteor Apr 22, 2025, 6:50 PM

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you can using AAI

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 6:51 PM

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logi requests, or just bot orders?

umbral meteor Apr 22, 2025, 6:51 PM

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Signals, as in Wire Signals

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how you use them is up to you

hearty meteor Apr 22, 2025, 6:51 PM

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Well, if there are mods that let you transfer signals you could, I guess. But those mods would have to be explicitly for that, I think.

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 6:51 PM

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oh I've seen Steejo attempt to program vehicles with AAI before

hearty meteor Apr 22, 2025, 6:52 PM

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I remember wanting to try programming AAI after watching Steejo et al do such stuff

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 6:53 PM

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Arumba was all like but I've got all these other fun things for you to discover xD

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but you say mods exist to transfer signals between surfaces?

hearty meteor Apr 22, 2025, 6:54 PM

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No, I didn't say that, I really have no idea if such mods exist. They might

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 6:56 PM

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well Zang said AAi

umbral meteor Apr 22, 2025, 6:57 PM

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the big dish you used for signals in Space Exploration is from AAI

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for transferring signals cross surfaces

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 7:01 PM

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any idea off hand how big it is?

umbral meteor Apr 22, 2025, 7:03 PM

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the dish or the mod?

woeful geyser Apr 22, 2025, 7:03 PM

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rigid bramble any idea off hand how big it is?

The dish is like... rocket silo sized?

umbral meteor Apr 22, 2025, 7:03 PM

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5x5 or 6x6

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rs is 7x7

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 7:07 PM

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sounds a bit heavy weight just to transfer a request from the surface to one level underground xD

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though I have an idea

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nvm
but there is a version of AAI signal transfer that has a smaller footprint

rigid bramble Apr 22, 2025, 7:31 PM

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Though I'm seeing the AAI mod uses and inordinate amount of power

rigid bramble Apr 23, 2025, 10:35 AM

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Holy multi-functional mining brick batman

rigid bramble Apr 28, 2025, 10:03 PM

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rip trains

hearty meteor Apr 28, 2025, 10:18 PM

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Oh no, an engineer didn't plan well enough ;P

rigid bramble Apr 28, 2025, 10:34 PM

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one would assume the left hand train would go down the right hand line

hearty meteor Apr 28, 2025, 10:34 PM

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It probably will, in time, if the place it actually wants to go is accessible from that branch

rigid bramble Apr 28, 2025, 10:38 PM

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I've just thought, I should have had the bypass lines one way

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like the north branch goes west

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