Factorio

[quasi ocean]

I'm not bothered either way

@vivid jackal The Vulcanus logistic network is clogged with 3500 barrels of lubricant...

[vivid jackal]

I only just realized that Aavak might not have wanted to look at Vulcanis.

I was just trying to get the oil network switched over, but had to leave for work before I finished. I thought it was stable, but still learning about the bot network.

At least we can dump the excess in the lava.

[quasi ocean]

It should get used eventually, I got rid of the active provider so they'll stop getting put into the system. some of the barrels maybe need voiding though

[vivid jackal]

The active provider kept pushing them, even into buffers and storage right? How would I set that up to make sure the bots take excess away to let the system keep running without blocking up the network?

[quasi ocean]

Take the excess away? where? Just don't push it into the network in the first place

[vivid jackal]

My first thought was we had to make sure the lubricant wasn't backing up production. Then I realized I'd already set up the whole thing to Crack the oil down. I overcomplicated things in my head.

[rigid bramble]

Ah Bentham is the server mum

Also arn't active providers fun? xD

[vivid jackal]

I just don't know what niche role they play. Feels like everything but those is way more useful.

[rigid bramble]

Its for when you want to get rid of something typically

Like for the barrels when you unbarrel a liquid

[vivid jackal]

Do you need to circuit that in to make sure the system doesn't get jammed with empty barrels?

[rigid bramble]

Thats why you active provider, so it doesn't jam the unbarreller

Not on the barrel production..

If you put an active provider on a producer, Bentham would cry

[vivid jackal]

Lol, that would be funny

@quasi ocean do tesla turrets need ammo?

[rigid bramble]

If you see any green chests set to trash unrequested, I had nothing to do with it...

[vivid jackal]

What does that even do?

[rigid bramble]

If the chest isn't requesting it, it'll get rid of it

[vivid jackal]

Hmm, I feel like some of the chests don't get used as much.

[umbral meteor]

Factorio told me ir's sleepy time xD

it crashed during an autosave 😮

[vivid jackal]

Ouch, that's too bad Zangiry.

I noticed on the community server, but are radars no longer targeted by biter?

[rigid bramble]

You can use a buffer chest to make something availible to you rather than the whole network
And also to 'buffer' a resource

[woeful geyser]

Use the lube then turn it all into cliff explosives

[woeful geyser]

There's some logic to which chests should be used where.
Passive providers - for anything you wanna provide to the network and bots. Fairly easy.
Active providers - for anything that can never jam. So probably if you're using bots on Gleba you'll be using tons of these.
Storage - it's storage.
Requesters - Probably single most used chest in the game. Mainly in bot malls.
Buffer - This one's interesting. My personal choice is to use it in 'upgrade lines'. So like, if you have an assembly line upgrading belts from yellow > red > blue, you let inserters drop off the belts into a buffer chest, and give these a request for belts. At like a really high quantity. This makes sure that any low quality belts you have are automatically upgraded to higher quality stuff.

[vivid jackal]

He did want cliff explosives for gleba

[rigid bramble]

I'm not sure you want active on Gleba for spoilage

unless you really want a storage full of the stuff

[rigid bramble]

this is also a valid use of active providers xD

[rigid bramble]

also, mining platform on the move

[solid pollen]

I wish you had made it symmetrical... but other than that, SQUARE

[hearty meteor]

The Borg would be proud

[solid pollen]

they would be more proud if it was perfectly symetrical... and contained a sphere inside it

[indigo gust]

Any particular reason for armor piercing? Save on number of turrets at the cost of increased resource use per astroid shot down? (They either have no armor or too much armor it seems)

[rigid bramble]

I guess pretty much just because I could

and maybe more damage means less production needed

ideally I have nuclear power on board, and lasers and proper coal liquefaction

[solid pollen]

finally starting to get Volcanus online. even stockpiling petroleum gas because this oil cracking is GARBO

[indigo gust]

I import plastic from Gleba on my Vulcanus. Gt my labs on Gleba to avoid having to ship spoiling goods for now and the ship may then just as well bring plastic back when delivering productivity and military science from Vulcanus

[vivid jackal]

Simple coal liquification is garbage, but the regular one is pretty good.

[rigid bramble]

its not that bad, is it?

[woeful geyser]

I'd say it is because simple coal liquefication uses acid, water(?) and coal to make purely heavy oil. Normal coal liquefication uses heavy oil, steam and coal to make more heavy oil, light oil and petroleum. This means you no longer have to feed it with water, and it's a positive feedback loop.

Also can I say the latest FFF is kinda neat. Look at the 'Hello' at the top. https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-436

[rigid bramble]

not like water is hard to get on Vulcanus

and I know advanced is better, but it doesn't mean simple is that bad :p

[solid pollen]

i totally did not forget about the coal liquifaction as an option that would be better

i dont think i have it researched yet, where is it locked to?

[solid pollen]

ah, its volcanus research, which I havent got to yet, havent even built a big miner yet

[indigo gust]

regarding the big miner, worth noting that it has only 50% resource drain - like a productivity bonus applied on the resource node end, quality miners have even lower drain

[umbral meteor]

No xD

i'm using them a bunch, Active Providers that is, on production outputs,
but at the same time i have limiters set on the inserters to not over produce xD

[solid pollen]

so for every 2 iron ore it extracts the deposit only reduces by 1?

[rigid bramble]

But why not xD

only cus my factory is encroaching the coal

[umbral meteor]

sure, if it's just a tiny deposit, or i want to remove a deposit before building there, i will do that xD

else, nope

[rigid bramble]

I see no problem here officer

[umbral meteor]

i just placed down like 3k storage chests xD

need the space to wipe my base

only thing that will be left, other than my "Space Agency" is power poles, roboports and rails xD

(not touching my walls or their defence guns)

||also also, it's SO nice and easy to explore the map when i can just fly over the oceans||

[indigo gust]

I really don't use the active providers much, but got one on my epic spoilage output - haven't been bothered to use that for anything yet

[umbral meteor]

for example, output on the recyclers for one

inserters set to stop if certain items gets too high,
in this case, steel and gears xD

originally they were set to steel only, then i got a message my storage were full.
~750k gears.....

😝

now, if i only could set the oil sand on fire and create my own "lava lake"... xD

[rigid bramble]

imo you should do something with the spoilage, not shutter it in a box

[hearty meteor]

Make a freeze-drier for Gleba stuff

[rigid bramble]

burn it or turn it into food

[hearty meteor]

Freeze dried food is cool

[indigo gust]

I'll probably make epic carbon from it, it is a result of epic nutrient spoiling on the nutrient loop - which doesn't happen that often

[indigo gust]

Acquired a bunch more spoilage after a power outage, luckily the eggs didn't spoil - protip: adding heat pipes to a thermal power plant running at max capacity results in temperature drop and full shut down

[lofty marsh]

i made a mini-mall/omnicrafter. this is version one and it has 1 known flaw and a restriction. the flaw is that if the recipe produces 2 or more items it overshoots by 1 craft (i mitigated the issue for single output recipes). though the major restriction on it is that it cant self craft prerequisites that come after the requested item in the internal ordering of signals, so it wont make intermediates before everything else is done. i found no compact and simple way to deal with the ordering without the selector combinator and i wanted a version that doesnt use it. (next version will.) it expects all wanted ingredient to be available in the input chest so using it might require a tiny amount of circuitry and a sushi belt to deliver all the different ingredients until logistics is unlocked. it is currently using an infinity chest to supply base ingredients.

there were some leftover parts from prototyping. debugging combinators is a huge pain

[vivid jackal]

Is there a better way to find the server log in info without scrolling all the way up?

[indigo gust]

I've been using such setups for a while, really convenient when adding another product is simply just adding another constant in the constant combinator. Mine has a crude solution for prioritized prerequisites for items that come in the wrong order in the list, not sure if that is enough to cover all cases.

[umbral meteor]

click the "pinned message" icon of a Pin/tack at the top

[vivid jackal]

Found it, thanks zangiry

[umbral meteor]

np

[umbral meteor]

i were looking at setting up my new smelting, and i noticed that you get the same amount of liquid iron, regardless if you use lava or ore as a source.

makes it easier 😄

Lava -> 250 Molten iron in 16 seconds
Ore -> 500 Molten Iron in 32 seconds

Lava actually cost one more Calcite, not that it would be a problem xD

i don't even have to send that to Nauvis, as i have a "satellite" in orbit mining it for me xD

[indigo gust]

The first, most minimal mini-mall design I've been using on Gleba, as it only uses a single assembler - later versions have incorporated foundries and selector combinator.
With so many items I found I needed two output chests available for the assembler to take from. Mine is quite basic as I try hard not to overengineer when I bring out the combinators.
One aritmethic combinator to multiply chests by -1 (leftmost) to create the demand signal
One arithemtic combinator to lower the demand signal for the current recipe ingredients read from the assembler by a factor 20, so as not to swtich back and forth all the time (bottom) - a simple solution to hysteresis that require order of the regular prerequisites to be sufficently high
One logic combinator to ignore regular demands if special prerequisites are running low (center)
Upper static is special prerequisites (those that are in the wrong order in the crafting list)
Lower static is regular demands
Top combinator is simply to manage the requester chest used for a spoilable ingredient, so as to only request as many as needed.

[umbral meteor]

have a look at this btw, not the same as you have made, but i figured this may giver you some ideas 😄

https://factorioprints.com/view/-OAlyskVrmzN9CWRFNv2

https://i.imgur.com/JGVGKy3.png

[indigo gust]

I'm doing it that way on Gleba, my cargo ships will gather it up on the way back and forth there, so there is no lack of calcite supply - but then I only added foundries to make smelting the non-quality ore more efficient

[indigo gust]

The compact version of my entire Gleba - it is turning into a quality madness that I'm gradually loosing control over after I upgraded the bio-stuff to use quality modules.

[umbral meteor]

yeah.....

after doing this for a while to upgrade my gear, and a bunch of other things to Epic....

i have 217k Rare Green Circuits in storage on Nauvis

xD

[indigo gust]

I only have 40k of those - and my stockpile of epic spoilage doubled to 1.5k after the power outage last night

[umbral meteor]

it took me a whole day, but i now have an Epic tier Mech

[indigo gust]

Niiiice - I'm currently working on space ship components after you pointed out how awesome the collectors are in higher quality

[umbral meteor]

they DO use more power, but oh boy do they make a difference

Rare -> 3 arms

and longer range

[indigo gust]

I made one epic so far to test

[umbral meteor]

iirc Legendary has 6 arms

Factoriopedia ingame shows details about it.

you can also see on each item where quality would change it.

they have a blue ¤ thing next to the name

[indigo gust]

yeah, I'm using quality miners after seeing what it does for them

[umbral meteor]

oh, one more thing on ships that is very good to upgrade, the cargo bay

[indigo gust]

true, I find the quality stuff in general more useful on ships with the constrained/costly real-estate there

[umbral meteor]

Personal Equipment as well

Batteries store more of a charge, reactors produce more power

Personal Lasers have longer range

and so on

[indigo gust]

yes, that was my first use of specifically crafting quality items

quality for ship was initially just the quality run-off from making the same things for Nauvis, like turrets and solar panels

[umbral meteor]

and ofc the armor itself gets a bigger grid 😄

so room for MOAR stuff

[indigo gust]

tank and spidertron also get larger grids

[umbral meteor]

i assumed as much xD

hmm, quality trains 😄

more speed?

[indigo gust]

only health 😦

[umbral meteor]

Artillery Wagon on the other hand....

holy heck... Legendary Mech has a 15x17 grid

that's a LOT of lasers xD

😝

[atomic aurora]

Lasers? I'd think those are pretty useless by the time you get legendary anything. I don't know about Aquila, but on vulcanus fulgora and gleba lasers are either useless or not worth the power they consume

Personal roboports is where it's at

[rigid bramble]

They can be made to work
And I wouldn't say they're useless on Gleba

Though two words;
discharge defence

[atomic aurora]

No, not useless on gleba, but that's why I said "or not worth the energy they consume"

[vivid jackal]

Le sigh, every time I get in a groove the clock tells me it's almost one in the morning. Or 2 or 3.

[umbral meteor]

or 7 xD

and suddenly it's monday morning and you have stuff to do...

[atomic aurora]

Factorio is a machine that turns free time into playtime and a bigger save file

And it is one greedy little machine

[umbral meteor]

https://i.imgur.com/FxRUB2A.png

xD

[rigid bramble]

speaking of discharge defence, I need to get some cooking

[solid pollen]

BUILD discharge defense? I thought that was a meme garbo thing?

[atomic aurora]

Off of nauvis it's still a much better personal defense than lasers

[indigo gust]

How does it even work? I read something about activating with remote?

[rigid bramble]

fill an armour with them and try it on a vulcanus worm

[indigo gust]

100 electric damage without modifier, but might hit several segments of those worms?

[pliant crystal]

I've set up a new platform that's making regular trips to Vulcanus to pick up materials to make arty shells; and also 4 arty in the main base on Nauvis to make use of them. At this point, it should be possible for anyone who's interested to start expanding a bit, we desperately need oil for example.

[hearty meteor]

It looks nice and mostly symmetrical. And smol

[pliant crystal]

Feel free to use the Aneirin for any hauling you need to do, just make sure to use the circuit condition as part of the wait conditions (it checks to make sure the platform is good to go, ammo etc)

[umbral meteor]

My base has more or less been deconstructed xD
time for a massive rebuild xD

[solid pollen]

ayyy i just got golem by having a capsule land on me. STONKS

[rigid bramble]

well once I get off this iceball I might just try discharge defence myself

[umbral meteor]

It's not like there are THAT many enemy bases around...... xD

[rigid bramble]

Mordor is still rearming for another try

also is it me or does it take an actual age to decide to send turrets up to a platform?

[umbral meteor]

just you

[pliant crystal]

Nah, not that many... xD

[solid pollen]

my GOD.... its BEAUTIFUL

I love how artillery shells are considered large enough to show up on map

really sends the impression that you are sending small meteors of destruction at the biters

[umbral meteor]

they DO have a built in radar xD

[solid pollen]

so you can better watch the EXPLOSION

[rigid bramble]

arty shels have always revealed the map

[solid pollen]

other way round, i mean that the arty shells themselves are little moving yellow dots on the map

[rigid bramble]

gotta see the pain you're sending at the biters

[umbral meteor]

and iirc they have also always cost a radar to build

[rigid bramble]

yeah

though it doesn't use the radar as guidance module, like a proper JDAM

[umbral meteor]

my base on Nauvis is now gone, just my space agency and storage left xD

[solid pollen]

what happened to it?

[umbral meteor]

deconstructed xD

[solid pollen]

ohhhh, you just moved it all off-world?

[rigid bramble]

I'm just waiting for Mordor to make another 200 rockets

[solid pollen]

so whats the advice for killing a small worm without using the cheese strat

momma needs that tungstun ore

[rigid bramble]

discharge defence is not cheese, its electrifying

[solid pollen]

i attacked one with level 7 piercing rounds and it tickled it

[rigid bramble]

you need a firing line of turrets

[solid pollen]

nah i meant the|| nuclear reactor || cheese

[umbral meteor]

Going to rebuild, my main bus were red belts, i had Steel Furnaces for smelting xD

[solid pollen]

you got to another planet still using steel furnaces?

I threw up a little in my mouth

[umbral meteor]

another?

i'm just missing to visit Aquilo xD

[hearty meteor]

Reminds me of the Rocinante from The Expanse

[rigid bramble]

only thing electric furnaces have over steel is module slots

[umbral meteor]

it's not like you need THAT much to get to the other planets xD

[hearty meteor]

And not needing to be fed with coal XD

[rigid bramble]

of course though, you need electric in space

[umbral meteor]

yes

[hearty meteor]

Isn't there a thing in space you can use as fuel?

[rigid bramble]

power still needs fuel to be fed into it though
unless you're using solar

[umbral meteor]

but takes effort to replace steel with electric due to the size difference

[solid pollen]

only being better in every way other than size, yep totally dont need them

[rigid bramble]

they're not faster though without modules

[solid pollen]

i usually do my base rebuild and go right to electric furnaces

[rigid bramble]

and electric still pollutes

[umbral meteor]

never said i didn't need them, i just didn't care.
"if it works, don't mess with it"

[hearty meteor]

I'm talking about the logistics of needing to have coal going into the furnace itself

[solid pollen]

but they are so much prettier

[hearty meteor]

Just plan for getting to electrics from the start ;P

[solid pollen]

and if you are worried about biters you can just stick 2 efficiencies in there

[rigid bramble]

like I say, the only thing better is module slots xD

[umbral meteor]

i kinda did, it's called Foundry xD

[hearty meteor]

Not needing another resource going into it is apparently not better XD

[solid pollen]

I mean you dont really get much extra space with it needing to be larger and wider so i get that its not "really" an improvement not needing coal exactly

[hearty meteor]

Then you have more than enough space for putting in electric smelters, since you've made space for the larger processor XD

[umbral meteor]

i just made space

by removing EVERYTHING

[rigid bramble]

a foundry works in a different way, you can't just stick it on top of an electric furnace

[hearty meteor]

It's not about the space it takes up as much as it's about not needing to add more logistics to have that fuel get there

[umbral meteor]

but as i knew about the foundry from the start, i didn't bother with upgrading to electric

[rigid bramble]

ore and coal on two different sides of a belt, what logistics problem?

[umbral meteor]

Ore on belt, Calcite through requester chest xD

[hearty meteor]

I'm not going to spend more time trying to explain it if you can't see what I mean already

[solid pollen]

i think its less everyone doesnt understand but they value things differently

[umbral meteor]

i get what you mean, i just didn't bother personally xD
normally i would have upgraded to electric and beaconed the heck out if it for blue belt output, but.... as i said, i knew about foundry so i just waited until i had enough resources and buildings gathered to actually rebuild.

and then i just kept going xD

Vulcanus -> Fulgora -> and currently Gleba xD

i CAN technically go to Aquilo now, but....

[atomic aurora]

Personally, I usually move my smelting to a more spacious place once I have electric smalters and just move everything with trains

[rigid bramble]

electric just removes logistics that you would already have in place (I hope)
not saying its not worth it to upgrade, but the difference is the same as going from red to blue belt

[atomic aurora]

And then the space that used to be steel furnaces becomes train stations

[hearty meteor]

Red to blue is just 1/2 more speed, though. Going from 30/s throughput to 45/s throughput.

Being able to use the whole red belt for ore would double it.

But that's not really the point either

[umbral meteor]

my normal build before all the changes with space age, were to build massive beaconed setups for each core material.

Iron, Copper, Steel, Green Chip, Red Chip, Blue Chip, Plastic and so on.
and then i moved things around with trains for main bus input.

bigges i had were 500 beaconed smelters xD

using about 100k bots for the local logistics xD

[rigid bramble]

I mean that the increase from red to blue is half that of yellow to red
a marginal increase

but that is before foundries and green belts

50% prod on belts is pretty nice

[umbral meteor]

picks up some T6 belts from Satisfactory

[hearty meteor]

Increase from red to blue is not half that of yellow to red. It's exactly the same in absolute units. Yellows: 15/s. The next step (red) is +15/s. The next step again (blue) is +15/s

[umbral meteor]

1200/s xD

15 -> 30 -> 45 -> 60

goes up by 15 each time

[rigid bramble]

15 to 30 is a 100% increase, 30 - 45 is a 50% increas

and then 45-60 is a 33%

[hearty meteor]

Yeah, but it's the same actual increase

In number of items moved extra

The percentages are useful for how many other belts one of them can replace or such

Though I still think that they should've just gone with every tier doubles the previous tier speed

[umbral meteor]

so 15 -> 30 -> 60 -> 120? 😄

[rigid bramble]

if you've watched Arumba or Steejo, you know the argument for not upgrading to blue belt

[hearty meteor]

Would make it so much easier. You could always send two of the previous tier into one of that tier.

And indeed, blue belt has far greater cost compared to the extra it brings. Apparently Cohhcarnage didn't see that, so he's upgrading everything to blue belts XD

[rigid bramble]

factorio seems to be more diminishing returns as you go up the tree

well I don't care either, so its all green belts for me xD

[hearty meteor]

If I had the expansion I think I would just skip blue belts altogether. That way things would be doubling between each used belt tier

[rigid bramble]

but like I say, Vulcanus essentially gives you 50% prod on belt production

[umbral meteor]

but, unlimited resources.... so xD

i'm going green now

[hearty meteor]

Nuclear?

[umbral meteor]

that too xD

[rigid bramble]

but but but the heating towers

[umbral meteor]

12x2.1 GW builds xD

[hearty meteor]

Apparently you can heat a nuclear reactor up to 900 C with heating towers and they will dangerously disassemble if nommed on by biters

(or tickled by small arms fire from an Engineer, I guess)

[umbral meteor]

omnomnoms

"Hulk SMASH!"

[rigid bramble]

you would have to unload a sustained burst to destroy a reactor

well that seems a bit broken

then again, if you're going to use a heating tower to preload a reactor, you might as well just use the heating tower on its own

[hearty meteor]

Does the heating tower go boom when nommed by a demolisher? ;P

[rigid bramble]

demolisher goes boom when you discharge your defence all over it, apparently

[umbral meteor]

"Endelig litt Action!"

[rigid bramble]

artillery is but a 13% away

though I think a big demo might just be able to take a nuclear explosion

[hearty meteor]

Sounds like one would just need MORE

[rigid bramble]

24k regen though

[indigo gust]

Tesla may also be an option, I just haven't bothered making those yet as the little holium I have is too precious to be used as ammo

[atomic aurora]

Just recycle more scrap

[rigid bramble]

Mordor has prevailed, there and back again without a scratch

[indigo gust]

I would have to go back there and expand to more islands for more scrap, and my current island is also running out of space due to accumulators needed to increase production

[atomic aurora]

Did you know that a tank with personal roboports can be used to remotely expand your factory outside the confines of whatever logistics network is present?

Uhh, that makes me wonder if it's possible to conquer a planet without ever setting foot on it

[rigid bramble]

ah but you'd have to get the bots into the roboport somehow

[atomic aurora]

Yeah, the biggest issue is getting the tank deployed and kitted out on the surface

Suppose that's possible, there's still the issue that the planet specific machines have to be crafted on the planet, and some can't be made in an assembler, I think

[rigid bramble]

no, I think you can get to the machines and the research packs without a player

you would have to be able to make the basic machine in an assembler to be able to make them in the first place xD

[atomic aurora]

On vulcanus maybe, but fulgora requires you to recycle scrap by hand before you can make a recycler, and gleba requires you to make nutrients to fuel the first biochamber, both of which I know can't be done in an assembler

[rigid bramble]

nutrients can be done in an assembler

[atomic aurora]

Really?

[rigid bramble]

its the one way you can restart the factory

[atomic aurora]

I see

[rigid bramble]

it doesn't get the 50% prod naturally

as for mining, I'm pretty sure a mining drill counts

or bot deconstruction for the ||vault||

[atomic aurora]

Actually, I suppose the resources for a recycler can be airdropped in lieu of recycling scrap by hand

So I suppose apart from the inability to set up a tank as a remote character stand-in without having been there at some point, at least vulcanus fulgora and gleba can be conquered without ever setting foot there

No idea about Aquila, as I'm still working on gleba

[rigid bramble]

Aqullio is a different beats and I'm not spoiling how

[solid pollen]

is LDS really THIS much better from foundries?

[indigo gust]

If you need them at a quality level you only have to provide quality plastic when using the foundry.

[umbral meteor]

also, the productivity boost

[solid pollen]

yeah starting at 50% is pretty nice

[atomic aurora]

It's especially nice for things that you can't use productivity modules on

[atomic aurora]

I appreciate not getting spoiled on that, but isn't every planet a different beast from everything you've done before when you first get there?

[rigid bramble]

ehh, you'll see I'm sure xD

[atomic aurora]

I suppose I will

[rigid bramble]

as I've said to Aavak, you'll have to learn to embrace inter-planet logistics xD

[solid pollen]

I think i accidentally spoiled myself a little with aquilla so i know ill need lots of || concrete and heat wire ||

[atomic aurora]

I don't think that's "getting spoiled" on Aquila, as it seems pretty evident from the little clips playing on the menu screen

[solid pollen]

well one of those points is obvious, the other one... not so much

[solid pollen]

are poison capsules good against wormy boi?

[rigid bramble]

gotta hit it with everything

[solid pollen]

so 100 poison capsules and 20 turrets with uranium ammo and 7 damage upgrades.... that should at least show visible damage.... right?.... RIGHT??

[rigid bramble]

you need to alpha strike it

[solid pollen]

i can now... LEAVE VOLCANUS! to maybe save nauvis which has walls not under roboport cover that have 41 or less hp left KEKW

ignore the shrieking worm in the corner, ive made a noise complaint to the neighborhood association

[vivid jackal]

I unloaded a couple hundred rockets of regular and explosive into a worm with a spidertron. It outhealed the damage and kept running away.

[rigid bramble]

you need to put some green rocks in the rockets...

[vivid jackal]

Is anyone making nuclear rockets on the community server?

[rigid bramble]

though if you note the resistances its weak to|| electric, then poison, then physical||

[vivid jackal]

Yeah, but I haven't found a good large damage for ||poison||, and I got distracted thinking about platform building. I'm guessing the worm will ||ignore turrets to chase the player. Does that include tanks?||

[vivid jackal]

||But if you look at the head, the resistances are different.||

[rigid bramble]

but only on the head

[solid pollen]

||head only has the 50% physical resistance||

which is good for the player only i guess

[rigid bramble]

imo the segments should be in the factoriopedia too

[vivid jackal]

It's hard to hit the head when it keeps running away.

[solid pollen]

it starts to run away?

[rigid bramble]

just shoot its tail

[solid pollen]

just use uranium piercing cannon shells

[quasi ocean]

Worms generally do the opposite of run away...

[vivid jackal]

It runs away from ||the spidertron.||

[solid pollen]

oh cool

probably designed because it literally cant win so fleeing would be realistic

[vivid jackal]

Super annoying

[solid pollen]

or its scared of spiders

[rigid bramble]

maybe you're just not dealing enough damage to agro it

[quasi ocean]

Ohhhhhhh it doesn't recognise a remote controlled spidertron as the player

[vivid jackal]

It activated its defense mode, and ran to another woms territory. And it actively turned away from me.

While I was in it.

Great for exploration though.

[quasi ocean]

I dion't think worms have a defense mode?

[vivid jackal]

The fog they spew that slows you down.

[quasi ocean]

I just tried bothering a worm, it ignored the spidertron and instead beelined for the nearest buildings to smash them

[quasi ocean]

Ah, the AoE

[vivid jackal]

You now have a bunch of tesla turrets on vulcanus with auto request for more.

[rigid bramble]

you should set up some quality discharge defences

[vivid jackal]

The quality module grinder IS set up on Nauvis.

I keep forgetting about modules, so I kept expanding buildings instead of increasing efficiency.

@quasi ocean I know on your platform you have the location set up. Why don't you have the thrusters ser to pause, add all the planets, then can just manually click which planet you want next without having to do all the extra clicking?

[quasi ocean]

Once it starts it would then go everywhere in it's schedule till I told it to stop

But I could set up interrupts to go to each planet I guess

[vivid jackal]

That's why you have it set to pause, then it won't move to a different planet without you clicking the button next to the planet.

[quasi ocean]

Telling it to go anywhere unpauses it

[vivid jackal]

Huh, hadn't noticed that.

Just saw a guy who used the cuircit wait condition set as empty to keep his platform from moving.

[rigid bramble]

you would have to remember to pause it when you got somewhere

[quasi ocean]

I made a set of interrupts, which anyone can add to their platforms, to go to a planet with a single click

Teslas doing good work

[vivid jackal]

Interrupts, that makes sense. Might be able to get on soon.

[rigid bramble]

not sure how I feel about artillery vs the new enemy base health xD

needing 8 levels of research to get to one shot the new biter base health

[solid pollen]

why can a rocket only hold 20 dull uranium.... but can hold 25 uranium cannon shells

[rigid bramble]

cus the cannon shells only hold some of the uranium used to make them

[solid pollen]

yeah but my monke brain see's that a cannon shell is bigger than a bit of uranium. ipso facto, the cannon should weigh more! DUH

do worms come find you if you enter their territory or do you just have to wait for it to randomly amble by?

[rigid bramble]

I think they should patrol the perimeter

[solid pollen]

ive been here more than a minute waiting to cannon shell the bugger

[rigid bramble]

at least the one I snagged was just sidling by the boundary
made it easy to alpha strike

[solid pollen]

gotta claim my tungstun

alpha strike?

[rigid bramble]

also smol ship

if you've played Mech warrior you might understand Alpha Strike

basically hitting it with everything at once

[solid pollen]

i just explored a bit, is size of territory linked to size of worm? cause this is my tungstun deposit and the territory seems a little large 😦

[rigid bramble]

go find 'Glenn' and measure him

I'd imagine your first ring of territories would be small ones

then medium, then large, then here be dragons

[solid pollen]

just got an achivement for disturbing a worm by building on its territory... but i still cant see it ><

is that small?

feels kinda bigger than small

[rigid bramble]

find the worm first

[solid pollen]

oh.

it died really quickly.

9 uranium shells to the face

didnt even need my 20 uranium ammo turrets

[rigid bramble]

and you said you didn;'t want to cheese it

[solid pollen]

how is that cheesing it?

[rigid bramble]

using the most damaging and penetrative ammo xD

you know if you ||shoot it up its tail, you can hit all the segments with one shell?||

[solid pollen]

i mean thats using proper means, cheesing it is placing nuclear reactions down and killing it with the destruction

why doesnt it show hp dropping?

i shot another one and it just stayed at 30khp, does all the damage only appear on one segment?

[rigid bramble]

you seen their HP regen xD

[vivid jackal]

Today is the perfect example of why I should adult before playing Factorio .

[quasi ocean]

Done some spidertron swarm scouting on Nauvis, the lakes have been very favourable so far and aside from the north east that I still need to explore, we can seal off a huge section of land with just a handful of small defensive lines at natural choke points.
If we punch through the biters to these spots and set up the walls, we can then go round the area inside clearing them all, and have a huge amount of territory for expansion

[vivid jackal]

The eastern oil fields are currently clear of biters before the advance wall, arty in the original oil field keeping it clear.

Nice scouting Bentham.

[pliant crystal]

Ahh, i see, they're purely travel interrupts. Aneirin is already using a hauler interupt for Fulgora and Vulcanus, pretty happy with how platform interrupts work. Takes a lot of guess work out of stuff.

It just goes to pick things up if it needs to, rather than wasting time moving if there's no demand.

[vivid jackal]

There's a lot of interesting things to do with the rules. One guy had all the planets on the visit list, but had the wait times set to an empty instruction, like the circuits one, and that let them manually choose when and where the platform went without risking it moving.

[umbral meteor]

Entire Nuclear power section fed by one Offshore pump xD

each section uses about 2000 water a second, Epic Offshore pump supplies 2280

[vivid jackal]

Aren't there 4 pumps feeding the community server nuclear?

[umbral meteor]

i would not know xD

[hearty meteor]

Is the CS nuclear 4x4 reactors?

[vivid jackal]

4 reactors feeding 4 lines of heat exchangers. I forget how many in each line.

[umbral meteor]

the old "standard" were 2x4 Reactors -> 112 Heat Exchangers -> 192 Turbines -> 1.2 GW

[hearty meteor]

2xN is basically the easiest to deal with for automatically refuel and take out spent stuff

[umbral meteor]

yup

also you can cheese it massively, as the heatpipe inside the reactors doesn't lose temperature over range....

so you can endlessly chain reactors as a "heat pipe"

[hearty meteor]

Oh, they don't

I thought they still lost 1 C per reactor in the chain

Still a lot better than the heat pipes

[umbral meteor]

it MAY have changed in 2.x

[rigid bramble]

fuel 8, then make a conga line of unfuelled reactors?

[umbral meteor]

yup

[rigid bramble]

remember as mentioned, you can heat up a nuclear reactor with a heating tower

I imagine the reverse is also true

heating tower OP

[umbral meteor]

i'm going to have to suck up 1.2M stone in my storage xD

[hearty meteor]

Got a patch you want to build where is?

[umbral meteor]

yup

also an achievement xD

[hearty meteor]

As one should

Mining productivity might make it more XD

[umbral meteor]

yes, it will xD

but i do want to get "Mining with determination"

[rigid bramble]

I'm sure you'll get that by just playing xD

[umbral meteor]

i'm on rail world.....

smallest patch outside of the 1.2M is 23M xD

and they just goes hard from there xD

154M

[rigid bramble]

you're telling me you won't completely empty an ore patch?
sounds like you need a bigger mega factory xD

[umbral meteor]

right now i have no factory xD

[rigid bramble]

I might actually be running out of things to research 😮

and I'm still not building nuclear

[vivid jackal]

Then just research the infinite ones.

The hardest part of some games is when you completely run out of research.

[rigid bramble]

my bugbear right now is forgetting to process ice on my space platfrom

[quasi ocean]

In space age there's always the productivity researches, they're so incredibly valuable for cranking up the capacity of your factories

with foundries plus steel productivity research you can get more than 1 steel per iron ore

[rigid bramble]

I feel the infnite researches are more for post game, chasing those mega factory SPMs

[vivid jackal]

The cost eventually outstrips the bonus, but at least they keep the factories running.

Like the X series had the shipyards where all the production lines eventually terminated. And they'd occasionally have ships built from them that just flew off before disappearing.

[quasi ocean]

It's a one time research cost for a permanent productivity boost, it'll always pay off in the end

[vivid jackal]

The infinite researches?

[rigid bramble]

hmm, somehow my smaller ship moves slower than my fast ship, despite being 50 tons less

[vivid jackal]

Same amount of thrusters?

[rigid bramble]

obviously pushing the same thrust xD

[vivid jackal]

Distance to the sun maybe?

[quasi ocean]

By what amount of speed?

There's a 10km/s pull towards the nearest planet

So every ships speeds up by 20 at the halfway point in their journey

[vivid jackal]

If they have distance to the sun for solar, maybe planets have different relative gravities?

[quasi ocean]

nope

Oh also I think there's a drag factor related to platform width maybe?

[vivid jackal]

Possible edge of the universe tech. Gravity propulsion.

[vivid jackal]

That would explain why a lot of folks go for the long platform.

[quasi ocean]

I know for a fact that platform width affects asteroid rate

[vivid jackal]

So if we make the collector platforms really wide they'd get more chunks?

[quasi ocean]

Should do

[vivid jackal]

We must for science it. After bowling.

[rigid bramble]

yeah my small gets 245km/s, but my fast gets up to 273km/s

[vivid jackal]

Are there any gleba exclusive techs that a basic collector platform could help with? With starting maybe?

[rigid bramble]

723 tons at 612NM gets up to 197km/s at full burn

so fast ship vs smol ship

and then the 720 tonner

[vivid jackal]

The small ship is definitely wider, so width may affect speed too.

Well there's your speed problem, you're out of fuel on the small one.

Though seriously, I remember a conversation about thrust ratio and storage level. (I think)

[umbral meteor]

yes you do 😄

[vivid jackal]

Now I must redesign the production platform I'm using to supply Nauvis with white crystals.

[rigid bramble]

they say storage affects your tonnage

[umbral meteor]

this is over Nauvis, set to ONLY harvest Calcite

[rigid bramble]

why not harvest ores and plastic too

[umbral meteor]

don't need it xD

[rigid bramble]

I feel you're going to need those three more than you'll ever need calcite

[vivid jackal]

Lol, satellite

[umbral meteor]

yup

[umbral meteor]

my game, my rules xD

[rigid bramble]

and even then, you could just ship some from Vulcanus xD
for the cost of some coal and some calcite, since lava is infinite

[vivid jackal]

You need calcite for all the volcanus recipies.

Plus it depends on the game.

[umbral meteor]

and with this i have endless supply and never need to ship anything from other planets xD

of Calcite that is

[vivid jackal]

On the community server there's only one platform taking calcite between planets, and it visits all of them.

[rigid bramble]

I can't ever see me using up the 1.3mil patch I started with

[vivid jackal]

Asteroid chunks are infinite, and you don't need to spend coal you have to make elsewhere.

[rigid bramble]

spoilers, you can make coal on the platform xD

[umbral meteor]

i know xD

[vivid jackal]

But then your shipping coal from the platform. Oh wait, we're already doing that with calcite.

[rigid bramble]

my coal is making plastic

in space

[umbral meteor]

Advanced Carbonic Asteroid Crushing + Simple coal liquefaction

also Coal synthesis

[vivid jackal]

Coal liquification doesn't make coal though?

[umbral meteor]

Coal synthesis does, and with coal liquification you make heavy oil

and with that -> plastic at the end of the line

Advanced carbonic crushing gives you sulfur

[vivid jackal]

True, the whole point of Aquilo unlocking after Gleba is cause it's techs allow your platform to survive the trip to and stay in orbit around Aquilo.

[umbral meteor]

yup, and with advanced metallic crushing you also get copper.

so you can essentially make a Mall in space

[vivid jackal]

You need copper for ||rocket ammo|| right?

[umbral meteor]

nope

[quasi ocean]

When Gleba has all the high quality ship components, but Nauvis has the safe orbit. 😆
Started putting this platform together then decided it would be easiest to bodge an engine onto it to pootle over to Nauvis so I can build from scratch without fear of damage

[umbral meteor]

xD

[quasi ocean]

It's beautiful

[umbral meteor]

would be one hell of a ride irl though xD

[quasi ocean]

Still goes at 86km/s, not bad lol

[vivid jackal]

Maybe start shipping the parts to Nauvis?

What's that one for?

[quasi ocean]

I'm building it to be Aquilo capable

[vivid jackal]

And you'll probably be done before me.

Was going to get started on mine tonight.

[umbral meteor]

Mines are OP btw, have a good supply of them and you can just facetank your way to Aquilo xD

[vivid jackal]

Probably just make mine basic to get around.

[solid pollen]

oh i love that design. very beautifully "sub-optimal" in a super awesome way

[solid pollen]

early morning and im feeling METAL

[umbral meteor]

Now THAT's some power production xD

it's not actually real, as it jumps up to crazy high due to Lightning strikes

[atomic aurora]

Well, it is real, it would just take an ungodly amount of accumulators to absorb it all

[umbral meteor]

well, true.
but it doesn't really last long xD

[atomic aurora]

It ramps up as the night starts, and ramps down as it goes to morning. But across a reasonably large island, it's still hundreds of GW, on average

[rigid bramble]

oh yeah you know why my ship was out of fuel, I had somehow rotated a pipe

[solid pollen]

F

[rigid bramble]

also this part may be an issue

[solid pollen]

does being offworld increase the biter expansion waves?

I was on nauvis for about an hour, not a single attack, literally as i am in transit to a space ship. an attack happens.... and another every like 5 minutes since

[hearty meteor]

That's XCOM, baby

[rigid bramble]

you'll have to check your pollution

[solid pollen]

pollution isnt hitting anything

[hearty meteor]

You've probably got ODST biters

[atomic aurora]

ODSB, you mean. Orbital drop shock biters

[woeful geyser]

Oh, I made a satellite template that I've now got orbiting Fulgora/Vulcanus. They don't work perfectly though... actually none of my ships do. Kinda sad about that.

[atomic aurora]

Wdym they don't work perfectly?

[rigid bramble]

ah its funny, discharge defence is more fun than the handheld tesla

[atomic aurora]

How? Tesla gun is crazy fun

[woeful geyser]

Overflowing with 1 type of item, causing them to get stuck.

[atomic aurora]

Like, on the belts, or in the platform hub?

[rigid bramble]

discharge defence is more fun though xD

Tesla gun is, oh I can stun them slightly, and maybe hit more than 1 enemy, but the damage isn't there

whereas discharge defence does all that and with knockback

[woeful geyser]

Either depending on the platform...

[atomic aurora]

Well, hub overfilling is relatively easy to fix. Either request less stuff, or get more space. Belts overfilling can be fixed by just controlling how much of each material is allowed on the belt

[rigid bramble]

asteroid reprocessing is kinda needed if you've got too much of one rock

[atomic aurora]

Oh yeah, if you don't have asteroid reprocessing, running an efficient shop is pretty tough

But even then you can limit which kinds of chunks get collected based on stock

But if you do have reprocessing, I have a setup of my own design that keeps everything at an equal level

[solid pollen]

I had no trouble setting up one that only collects X of each resource and reads the belt to check how much I have. poor roadtrain is worse than me who doesnt use circuit conditions

and before you say "find oil" im on fulgora right now.

[indigo gust]

I experienced some strange behavior with the biters in my game, they seemed far more passive than expected at one point, not sending pollution triggered raids. All back to normal now - and spreading so close that the big with worms ruined my turrets. Might be some bug causing a problem with generating the attacks?

[solid pollen]

Could be something related to player being on a different layer? or just confirmation bias honestly. I'm inclined to believe it cant be a bug because Wube has been so on point

[rigid bramble]

I think they have to absorb enough pollution to make enough units to send an attack

iirc the bigger the biter the more pollution they need

[indigo gust]

Also smart to setup the collectors to only gather asteroids in demand - my initial setup just had inserters to throw away what I didn't need as that was easy to setup without sending up a combinator, but it results in less of the useful asteroids gathered in transit when there is high load on the collectors.

[indigo gust]

Is it your own game or the dapperlings server?

[solid pollen]

my own game

i barely have time for myself to play, havent been able to get on dapper server in ages

[hearty meteor]

I'd assume it's just how the randomness works out

[indigo gust]

In my case they were in the red cloud for hours, no alerts of attack

[solid pollen]

but but... confirmation bias!

[rigid bramble]

like I say, they have to absorb enough pollution

[solid pollen]

in like 2 more hours suddenly that nest will release a gargantuan biter with the strength of a volcanus worm

[hearty meteor]

Imaging getting a vulcanus worm transplant on Nauvis

[rigid bramble]

remember biter bases are your best source of pollution absorption

[hearty meteor]

With a cost, though

The other sources of pollution absorption don't generate extra pressure on defenses

[solid pollen]

im just waiting for the mod that randomly adds worm territories to nauvis

honestly I would like that, basically they would be DEATH zones until you had left nauvis

[rigid bramble]

I mean the other sources are what, trees and grass?

[solid pollen]

ground and water too

[hearty meteor]

And water now, IIRC

[indigo gust]

They continuously make the attack squad as they absorb pollution, but not sure what triggers the attack - threshold of attack squad size and/or timer

[solid pollen]

although water only absorbs until it becomes polluted like trees and shit getting damaged

[rigid bramble]

I didn't think water did

[hearty meteor]

I don't think water did in 1.1 either, but apparently it does in 2.0.x

[hearty meteor]

You sure about that?

[solid pollen]

like 90% sure

dunno about 1.1 but for 2.0 it does

[rigid bramble]

seems a weird one to change just for 2.0

[solid pollen]

seems wierd it wasnt already ingame

[hearty meteor]

I would assume water works just like ground does

[solid pollen]

well ground is wierd all on its own. landfill land doesnt abosrb but nuked landfill does

[rigid bramble]

pretty sure desert does not absorb

[atomic aurora]

One could simply look at water in the factoriopedia in-game and see if it has a pollution absorption value

[solid pollen]

looking up stuff on the internet? thats cringe. Id rather just assume im right and brow beat anyone who disagree's

[hearty meteor]

https://wiki.factorio.com/pollution shows water (of all colours) have a pollution absorption of -0.000005 per second, an absorption rating of 7

[rigid bramble]

whats an absorption rating

[hearty meteor]

Desert does absorb, just less. See above link

[rigid bramble]

also isn't the wiki user generated?

[atomic aurora]

I said look it up in-game, not online. Most changes since space age aren't even on the official wiki

[hearty meteor]

Probably just a quick way to see how good the different things are compared to each other

[hearty meteor]

Partly, but also a lot just straight from the developers with scripts

[rigid bramble]

1.54/m per chunk for blue water, 1.11 for grass, and 0.92 for sand and red desert

[hearty meteor]

Kinda looks like this hasn't been updated for 2.0.x yet, though. So it might be that water absorbed pollution in 1.1 too, just less than even sand

[rigid bramble]

this is why I don't trust what a wiki says, its either out of date or incomplete in my experience

[hearty meteor]

Though it's often better than just someone saying "I think it's this way" XD

[solid pollen]

I swear i read it in a FFF.... but honestly I always try to remember that its ok to be wrong. so i am down to be proven wrong and get flamed by roadtrain

[rigid bramble]

experience is a teacher

[solid pollen]

most people dont like said teacher 😛

[rigid bramble]

and as mentioned, green water does not absorb pollution

[solid pollen]

oh so i was right?

[hearty meteor]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-283 talks about water absorbing pollution, and it's from 2019 XD

[solid pollen]

yeah im talking about a slightly more recent one

[rigid bramble]

also not sure I trust an FFF to be up to date information, as space age has shown

or if what is mentioned is ever implemented

[quasi ocean]

Titan is operational

First order of business: upgrade every belt on Nauvis

[solid pollen]

if youve visited all three basic planets can you just build everything on the station? (copper,iron,steel,oil etc etc)

[quasi ocean]

Yeah

[solid pollen]

damn thats pretty lit

[quasi ocean]

Like, the belts I have to get from Vulcanus

[solid pollen]

you sure you got enough power though?

[quasi ocean]

Did you miss the nuclear reactor in the middle? 😛

[solid pollen]

i did in fact miss it yes

woopsies

ok im like 60% sure you have enough power

[quasi ocean]

😆

[solid pollen]

do you have to send up uranium fuel cells?

[quasi ocean]

The solar is enough for it to idle, at least on the inner planets, if the accumulators get low, I have a pump feed water into the heat exchanger

[quasi ocean]

Yep, gonna get resupplied from Nauvis occasionally

[solid pollen]

i mean thats barely anything, just one rocket of fuel cells is enough for a while

[quasi ocean]

I designed this to be able to refit to fusion power once we've got science from Aquilo

It'll still need to refuel of course, from Aquilo instead, but fusion is way easier to handle than fission in space

The water requirements of fission are a big oof

[solid pollen]

water aint easy to get in space

send up barrelled water KEKW?

[quasi ocean]

I have to keep a close eye on the water tank but so far it's doing okay

[solid pollen]

you can just add an alarm on the ship to scare the shit out of you when it gets low

honestly space travel is a little dissappointing for me. the objectively optimal build for ships is square or rectangle due to asteroids basically only coming from in front of you

even if it makes my inner borg happy

[vivid jackal]

I knew Bentham was gonna make it to Aquilo first.

[quasi ocean]

I haven't actually gone there yet tbf

Once i've upgraded Nauvis to turbo belts i'll conduct a test flight to Aquilo just to see if it works

[solid pollen]

do you even need turbo belts? i have all the nauvis research automated with just red belts

not SUPER fast but still fast enough to get whatever I want

[rigid bramble]

plastic is kinda awful on the platform, unless you have nuclear up there

[vivid jackal]

Nauvis must have only the best. Surprised no one's torn down all the steel smelters for foundries yet.

[solid pollen]

is there no way with recycling to get enough unraium to automate it entirely on the platform?

also STEEL? eletric all the way baybee

[rigid bramble]

Uranium is meant to be lossey

[vivid jackal]

I was on Vulcanus setti g things up when we unlocked electric.

[solid pollen]

pity you cant get uranium from asteroids

[rigid bramble]

also I feel the power cost for the centifruges would be too much

[vivid jackal]

By that point it was like, since we have to tear it all up then we might as well wait for the better foundries.

[solid pollen]

ok thats fair

i just really like the eletric furnance asthetics

and i cant get easy calcite yet because fuck gleba

[quasi ocean]

They don't run any more cause I have the foundries take precedence. the steel furnaces will only kick in if the foundries can't keep up with demand or the calcite runs out

[vivid jackal]

Then we might as well tear up the steel and make back up electric.

I've noticed some of the steel gets stuck with the inserter having the wrong item it wants.

[quasi ocean]

Yeah someone put stack inserters on the inputs with is generally a no-no

[rigid bramble]

Stack, or Bulk?

[quasi ocean]

Stack

[rigid bramble]

though can't you override how big a stack it waits for?

[quasi ocean]

Sure, but they didn't

So now random inserters are failing cause they have the wrong item

[rigid bramble]

I was asking more in general, as I'm wont to do it seems

[quasi ocean]

Generally stack inserters should only be used to put items on belts, and only if they're unloading from something that can only ever have one item in it, otherwise things can very easily jam

[rigid bramble]

they are super useful for your space platform ammo belt

[quasi ocean]

absolutely

[hearty meteor]

Apparently there's no stone in space, though

[vivid jackal]

But there's stone on every planet but Aquilos.

Also, just finished walling putting up the defenses for the large oil field east on Nauvis.

[hearty meteor]

Sure, but that's not what the question was about ;P

[vivid jackal]

You can build everything useful for the platform.

[hearty meteor]

Someone was annoyed they couldn't do all the science on just a self-sufficient space platform, which is how I know there's no stone in space

[solid pollen]

oh yeah I was still thinking of foundry > lava > stone, when you would use the other recipee

[vivid jackal]

Train people can now set up something between the base and the eastern oil field.

[rigid bramble]

what do you need stone for anyway

[hearty meteor]

Purple science, IIRC

[rigid bramble]

we don't need that

[umbral meteor]

267k left xD

[rigid bramble]

also I am back on Nauvis, though really I should sort out more of the new science pack

[umbral meteor]

Active Providers you say? xD

[solid pollen]

....just WHY

[umbral meteor]

emptying a stone patch before building xD

[solid pollen]

so... OCD?

[umbral meteor]

naah, achievement xD

[solid pollen]

what achievement?

[umbral meteor]

the new mining one xD

oh, and the stone is getting destroyed xD

[solid pollen]

oh mine out a patch?

[umbral meteor]

yup

[solid pollen]

havent you laready mined one out from the starting area?

I got mine before leaving planet

[umbral meteor]

this IS the starting area patch xD

[solid pollen]

did you have larger ore patches?

[umbral meteor]

Rail World preset

[solid pollen]

ahhh

ok yeah I get it now

I was so confused 😄

"how didnt you tap out a 300k stone patch" "oh it wasnt 300k but 3.5million"

[umbral meteor]

add on top of that (now), mining productivity xD

[solid pollen]

oh yeah. honestly I wouldn't even go for that achievement *on a rail world * and just cheese it with a minimum resource patch and some burner miners feeding each other on coal for memes

[vivid jackal]

There's some stuff that was built early on by people I don't know, what happened to them?

[hearty meteor]

Worms ate them

[vivid jackal]

Not the worms.

https://tenor.com/view/shai-hulud-sandworm-dune-worm-dune-dune-2-sardaukar-gif-5826933029886743139

[hearty meteor]

Funny how they are running with rythm there...

[rigid bramble]

also cohhcarnage just cassually removing the one power pole holding up his factory

[hearty meteor]

Or removing his whole power generation to set it up again, and then getting a bad case of the Biters

[solid pollen]

the random wall of flamers (and radars) by eastern oil was made by me before we got to blue science

I legit havent been able to get on since other than a biter cleanup i did when it was real bad

[rigid bramble]

he found and deconstructed the one pole that powered everything

[hearty meteor]

We've all done something like that at least once

Maybe running it over with a tank, maybe something else

The railway of Cohhcarnage is also quite something

[indigo gust]

Even worse if it is a pole connecting grids which both have some power generation, then you end up concluding that the grid is overloaded when you see machines slow down, no yellow flashing signs

[rigid bramble]

I mean he's only been stood on the tracks once as a train entered the station

[solid pollen]

Im pretty sure ive deleted a power pole between power and base then gone off exploring before. thats gotta be a rite of passage for games like factorio

and im certain ive disconnected my power coal without realising to feed smelters and then wondered why science stopped

[vivid jackal]

Oh, you have a different name there
Arty has cleared the area, and I have expanded the wall to have three sides.

[rigid bramble]

cohh has learnt about active providers

https://tenor.com/view/so-it-begins-raining-rainy-day-théoden-lord-of-the-rings-gif-16521230

[hearty meteor]

I foresee no problems arising from this

[vivid jackal]

You guys watch cohhcarnage? Or Duffel IS cohh?

[hearty meteor]

Yes

To be fair, I think it was easier to watch his Satisfactory playthrough, because there's kinda less ways to mess it up there XD

[solid pollen]

honestly when i came back intending to make it bigger, the radars I had left behind showed the water literally right in front just out of my vision before and it may have slightly dishearted me

[vivid jackal]

Ah, I just wanted to claim the oil. For Murica.

[hearty meteor]

You dropped this: '

[rigid bramble]

cohhcarnage is a streamer, not me

active providers are fine so long as you use them properly, like this xD

[vivid jackal]

I've seen some of his yt vids.

[rigid bramble]

Its going to be a nuclear winter

and omggg big strafers are annoying, just dancing out of range of all my turrets

and no, they do not fixate on a single point of defence, they dance neatly out of range of everything

also also protip, make sure to tag your tank, so you know where it is

[vivid jackal]

Strafers are Gleba right? Maybe artillery so none of the bases are in range?

[rigid bramble]

running down the line of my defence dancing out of range of all the turrets

[rigid bramble]

use artillery they said, it'll be fine they said
big stomper says CRAB RAVE

[vivid jackal]

Other the Nauvis, I've only been to Vulcanus. Gleba was Benthams baby and future had Fulgora wrapped up before I even joined the community server. But that's super funny. I was actually about to instead suggest spidertron and/or rocket turrets.

Strafers are resistant to both physical and laser so......

[vivid jackal]

Rockets seem really useful on Gleba, especially since that's where you unlock rocket turrets.

[umbral meteor]

most likely why xD

just don't feed Rocket Turrets with Nukes xD

[hearty meteor]

Or do

[vivid jackal]

Remote controlled spidertron with a nuke that fires only on command.

[umbral meteor]

Rocket Turret with Nukes xD

as it takes "Rocket Ammo" it also takes Nukes xD

[hearty meteor]

Make sure that turret loaded with nukes is in the middle of your base

[umbral meteor]

ofc

close to where eggs are kept

[hearty meteor]

It's the only way to be sure

[rigid bramble]

they're weak enough to physical for it to work

[quasi ocean]

@pliant crystal Your ship's in trouble over Vulcanus, not sure why

[rigid bramble]

quick take a blueprint of it!

[quasi ocean]

Inventory's full, I tossed out several thousand calcite to make room and it seems to be kicking back in

Okay the ship is repaired and rearming, but there does seem to be a calcite buildup issue

[rigid bramble]

Tesla turrets are actually kinda nice to pin an enemy in place for fire or bullets to hose enemies down

[quasi ocean]

Oh yeah, I love teslas

Idling teslas literally make up half of Gleba's current power draw but they're worth it

The moment I got teslas on the server's deathworld Gleba was when the tide finally turned in my favour

[vivid jackal]

Can you share blueprints you make between saves?

[quasi ocean]

Yep!

[rigid bramble]

more just to pin the big stompers in place while the massed gun turrets take em out

[quasi ocean]

"My blueprints" shares between all your saves, "game blueprints" shares between everyone in a server

[vivid jackal]

Ah, that's nice. I don't want to have to design another platform for my single game.

[rigid bramble]

just borrow Aavak's design there xD

I wouldn't use my smol ship though

unless you want to fix it into a more vertical shape

[vivid jackal]

Hey Bentham, how's my hearse doing? Had to slap something to keep ammo running just incase.

[quasi ocean]

Looks fine

It's venting an impressive amount of iron into space consistently

But the guns are all fine, it's intact, seems well provisioned

[vivid jackal]

Didn't have time to circuit the belts. It was just a slap dash measure in case red ran out while you were collecting belts.

Think I have some ideas how to make it better now though.

[quasi ocean]

Nauvis is about to be violently introduced to the future

[vivid jackal]

Did you delete the landing pad?

[quasi ocean]

What?

[vivid jackal]

You said violent. Means your sending them down in uncontrolled drop pods right?

[quasi ocean]

No i'm just gonna order the replacement of every single non-green belt with green belts in nauvis in one go

[pliant crystal]

Thanks Bentham, not sure why the calcite buildup, but I'll add it to the trash line.

cheers for taking care of it while I was gone!

[solid pollen]

did you accidentally use the new recipe that gives calcite, but without telling the system what to do with calcite, meaning it would just build up until the landping pad filled up enitely

[pliant crystal]

Foolishly assumed there'd be no issue, as it's set to drop calcite off at Nauvis, but clearly we greatly exceeded consumption.

[solid pollen]

ahhhhhh. yeah that would do it. stupid Nauvis

[pliant crystal]

Aneirin is the only one delivering calcite, and prior to that, Nauvis was always in a big deficit.

Fixed now, was just an inclusion of a cincle decider and wire :)

[solid pollen]

noice

good job Bentham spotting it

[pliant crystal]

Already had a trash line for excess asteroid chunks, so just tapped into that.

[quasi ocean]

muahahahahahahhaha

[pliant crystal]

Yeah, real life saver there mate, thanks for taking care of it!

So many pings XD

[solid pollen]

everyone should go to Gleba to celebrate with Bentham

[pliant crystal]

I'll update the supply train to bring green belt to the outposts.

Hahaha, love the siren that plays now whenever the arty is firing XD

Wish there was a way to hook circuits up to text displays, each arty has a shot counter, but to see it you have to hover over the combinator.

[quasi ocean]

There are circuit connections for display panels

[pliant crystal]

Okay before I get to my other work (wasn't expecting to jump into Factorio, but wanted to check on Aneirin... but since I'm here anyway >_>) I'll hook the uranium train into my train network, so the outpost supply train can take resupply to the mining outpust.

[solid pollen]

fingers crossed is the other work... streaming factorio?

if your playing it anyway.....

[quasi ocean]

You can't go super crazy with it but people have worked out number displays

[solid pollen]

oh damn

[pliant crystal]

It doesn't allow programatic messaging though, I can make it do things like show which arty is firing, but to make it display a counter of indeterminant lengh is... yeah, that.

[vivid jackal]

I built a collection platform to mine calcite and send it to Nauvis. It has the symbol for calcite and Nauvis in the name. Bottom platform in the list.

@pliant crystal

[solid pollen]

Kayinn calcite blocked you 😛

[quasi ocean]

Titan is confirmed as Aquilo capable, one successful test flight in the bag

[vivid jackal]

Nauvis needs a lot of calcite, and the trade ship takes forever.

[vivid jackal]

I'm sure no one will pop into Aquilo and order everything deconstructed.

[quasi ocean]

What?

[vivid jackal]

Don't know. I'm tired.

The silliness is winning.

[solid pollen]

The silliness should ALWAYS win, adulting is hard.

[vivid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-what-this-is-excruciating-david-rose-david-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-14553684163083228124

[pliant crystal]

Okay, it took a bit, but the uranium mine has been upgraded and added to my train network; so it'll get regular resupply runs from the bullet train, also the acid drop-off and uranium pickup are handled seperately by different trains.

Once the resupply train finishes delivering walls (we're HOPELESSLY low on stone, but I genuinly don't have time to make a stone mine, if someone else could that'd be amazing!!!) I'll hook up an artillery base there too, to push the biters further back.

[vivid jackal]

I'll see about having Vulcanus stone shipped as a stop gap measure.

[pliant crystal]

Artillery online.

[vivid jackal]

In order to have a train service multiple stations at only the times it's needed, do you set them up to look for a specific signal that's activated at the station?

[pliant crystal]

I use a combination of circuits and interupts.

[umbral meteor]

Aavaks trains have their own AI 😉

[pliant crystal]

A station that wants to request an item (because it has enough room to store a full train's worth of that item) will broadcast what item it wants (which the station is also named after) to the radar network, and set the train limit for that station to how many train's worth of cargo it can accept.

A station that has an item for pickup, will set its train limit to the amount of trains that can collect a full load from that station. But if a train is on the way, it will broadcast a negative value of the item the train is coming to pick up, on the same radar network.

The dispatcher reads the radar network and sends a signal to all docked trains, of whatever items are being broadcast. And when a train receives the signal, it will check if both the pickup and dropoff stations have available slots for the train to use. If so, it queues up a visit to the pickup station, then the dropoff station.

The pickup stations broadcast a -1 for the item, so as to prevent multiple trains being sent to collect the same cargo; the -1 on the network effectively says "A train is coming to pick this cargo up, after that it will deliver it. So deduct one delivery job for this item off the global network" this way, if I had multiple stations all requesting the same item, it wouldn't block any other train from taking the job, it would just ensure only as many trains as needed get dispatched.

[pliant crystal]

Hey Kayinn, when do you think you'll have your platform up to the point that it makes its own ammo?

For now I've increased sulfuric acid harvesting, and bumped up steam > water production to help plastics along, but Vulcanus is suffering from the strain on blue circuits all the rocket launches are 😅

[vivid jackal]

Think we took care of that?

[pliant crystal]

yup, most definately :)

[solid pollen]

just properly landed on Fulgora. really like that || lightning spires connect faintly with each other extending the protection ||

[umbral meteor]

the native lightning poles are a blessing, i've lost count of how many times they have saved me xD

or rather, stopped me from becoming bacon

[solid pollen]

basically every scrap area having them is great

[atomic aurora]

Wait, lightning is dangerous? (has had multiple rare quality shields since before going to fulgora)

[hearty meteor]

Mmmm, bacon

[umbral meteor]

One hit took half my health bar

[solid pollen]

sounds like you need to work out more

[umbral meteor]

"Gotta run faster, outrun those lightning strikes!"

"Need more legs in my armor!"

[solid pollen]

how many legs is enough? "yes"

enough legs to scare an australien

is nearly enough

[umbral meteor]

8 sets of epic should be enough for now? xD

i think i only have 4 in my armor, needed space for the roboports and batteries

[solid pollen]

i dont think ive even touched quality yet, wanted to wait for recyclers

[indigo gust]

I got quality run off going out from most of my basic production to gather up some for crafting things later - but may have gone overboard on Gleba as about half my iron ore there is quality better than normal and I'm now looking for how to consume it as fast as it is produced

[atomic aurora]

Hey, do quality seeds make trees with quality fruit?

[vivid jackal]

The funny thing about Aavak asking me about ammo is that I had slapped together yellow ammo production just in case the supply of red from the surface got interrupted. Like when Bentham request 5k turbo belts.

At 50 belts per rocket that took hours, and in the meantime I had to try to increase production to support the rockets so it didn't take even longer.

[rigid bramble]

now heres a question, do you really need piercing ammo on a platform

[vivid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/tik-tok-gif-4963626947041558937

If I could make it feasible, I'd have green ammo on a platform.

[rigid bramble]

you have seen the resistances of the big rocks, right?

[solid pollen]

it does not, according to messages earlier on this forum. although i believe the one NOT answered was whether a higher quality farm makes higher quality fruit

[vivid jackal]

Nope, I've only made two platforms, and both after going to vulcanus on someone else's platform. I have no idea what I'm doing.

[solid pollen]

i made it up as I went along and did fine. thankfully it wasnt as complicated as I was expecting

[rigid bramble]

spoilers ||they have 2000 flat physical|| xD

[solid pollen]

so.... ||rockets mandatory ? ||

[rigid bramble]

supposedly any attack will do at least 1 damage when dealing with flat damage resistance

[solid pollen]

yeah but going that route would be a morbillion ammo usage

[vivid jackal]

Oh, your talking about the rocks to Aquilo, that I knew.

[rigid bramble]

which begs the question, do you need green xD

[solid pollen]

i mean you need something to use up waste from the nuclear reactor

[vivid jackal]

But it's factorio, go big or go home right

[solid pollen]

yeah.... but how will you maintain it for the long haul?

[atomic aurora]

anyone know exactly how long the rocket silo launch/ready animations are? was wondering how much speed/productivity it takes to make one run as fast as possible without going over

[solid pollen]

i have 4 prod 2 and 2 beacons of speed 1 and going at full tilt it gets about 60-70% through to the second rocket

so.... probably more than that 😛

[indigo gust]

Yeah, I tested quality seeds - it would be very OP if they or quality farms did make quality fruits though, as that means making legendary items would not take any modules or grind. I can try to make a quality farm to test though - only lists HP boost in factoriopedia. Otherwise it may be possible to make quality fruit by recycling jelly or mash - not that it makes any sense IRL that that would work. I went with adding quality modules in the whole process on Gleba, as with more processing steps, there are more chances of getting quality boosts (3 steps of 4 modules to get to ore, compared to one step of 3 or 4 modules for miner or 2 modules for asteroids).

[solid pollen]

just randomly get increased quality at every step. doesnt sound so difficult, let me just sell my soul to RNJesus

[indigo gust]

it takes a lot of filtering to do it purely on belts, I do it on belt for uncommon, then bot based for higher

[quasi ocean]

Yeah i'm pushing Vulcanus to it's limit by shipping raw stone to Gleba with titan 20k at a time

So if Vulcanus ever needs a break, just shut off Titan's stone request

The problem is i'm quality grinding biochambers, which use landfill

And all the stone within my huge perimeter wall is gone

[rigid bramble]

walls, on Gleba?

[umbral meteor]

why not just ship landfill?

each rocket launch can handle 500 stone,
landfill cost 50 stone, but each rocket can handle 20 landfill, which is equivalent of 1000 stone.
And they stack to 100 instead of 50

[quasi ocean]

I call it the Glaginot Line

[quasi ocean]

True, I could do

I just also have stuff on Gleba that uses raw stone or bricks, but I could at least ship some of it as landfill

[umbral meteor]

aah, "have stuff on Gleba that uses raw stone or bricks" well there's that xD

[rigid bramble]

I thought you had actual walls for a moment xD

what have you got using stone and bricks?

[quasi ocean]

Rails for stone, and stone furnaces for boilers for heating towers

And for brick, electric furnaces and concrete

[rigid bramble]

meanwhile I'm just pushing a meta

[quasi ocean]

Ooh, nice

[rigid bramble]

8-9 wide is a thing too, but I'm not being so sweaty

[rigid bramble]

halp

[umbral meteor]

one thruster is reversed

middle right one

fix that, and then click the oxidizer pipe and select flush content

[rigid bramble]

you can't flip thrusters

which imo its kinda silly that it would push it through the wrong in/out puts

[umbral meteor]

i was sure you could xD

well, then it seems you need to make platform at least 2 tiles wider xD

[rigid bramble]

it can't go any wider

[umbral meteor]

yes it can

there is no width limit

[rigid bramble]

for four engines I feel that is the narrowest you can make it

282Km/s for 296 tons

[umbral meteor]

except you need a two tile room between the middle ones, if only at the ass end of the ship

or just one tile if no pipe

[rigid bramble]

or if it wasn't bugged >.>

[umbral meteor]

only happened because pipe emptied xD

left room for bleed through xD

[rigid bramble]

it shouldn't push it through the engine

[umbral meteor]

it goes through machines, so why not engines?

[rigid bramble]

it goes out the red into the blue on the middle two engines

[umbral meteor]

xD

[rigid bramble]

ergo this is the fix

[umbral meteor]

also works

[rigid bramble]

302.3 towards a planet

80 tons heavier, but goes 60km/s faster

but it like pushes it through the thruster into the wrong input on the adjacent thruster, then out into the pipe

I might have to actually see if I can make an 8 wide, and how fast that would go

[vivid jackal]

That's why I said if it was feasible.

I started with red because I was building it after finishing Volcanus so I already had thr advanced asteroid processing and foundries. So might as well.

[solid pollen]

I think ill just fill my station hub with nukes feeding into rocket towers and yolo my way to victory in a ride or die attempt to get there

[umbral meteor]

well, that works i guess xD

[vivid jackal]

Get enough explosive damage research done and regular rockets week do fine.

[rigid bramble]

until you look at the giant space rocks xD

[solid pollen]

can you use circuits to make aggro priority and targetting?

[quasi ocean]

The machine making T2 quality modules on Nauvis had an uncommon module in the output, jamming the whole quality grinder... how did that even happen?

[solid pollen]

you got 'lucky'?

[quasi ocean]

But the machine only has speed modules in it

Either someone put it in there, or someone put quality modules in the machine, then removed them

[vivid jackal]

A guy had tier 7 explosive research and it took 5 rockets to destroy a single big rock, when he got 8 it went down to three.

[rigid bramble]

the giant ones have a 99% resistance to explosive damage

[vivid jackal]

Between gleba and Aquila or between Aquila and the edge?

[rigid bramble]

wherever the giant ones are, cus I've not had to deal with them yet

[vivid jackal]

Ah, those are at the edge and broken planet. Says right on the Pedia page.

Don't worry about the giant ones. Once you've got everything from Aquila you'll have whatever you need to take care of them.

[rigid bramble]

so we can't send requests to a space platform, can we?

[umbral meteor]

yes you can

but you have to set the request on the Planet Space Hub,
be it manually or the "send logistics request to platforms" thing

[rigid bramble]

oh yeah requests

so I would send a request to the hub when needed?

[umbral meteor]

link Cargo Landing Pad to a Roboport with red or green wire

and ise this

missing items on planet being requested will then be sent from space

and picked up from Landing Pad by bots

[rigid bramble]

I'm probably going to put it on a train

[indigo gust]

What bugs me is that there is no simple way to communicate signals from planet to platform and vice versa - the only reasonable way I can think of is to have the platform produce a set of different items and request these on the planet. Platform can communicate to planet by means of which items it makes available for export and in what quantity, likewise planet to platform by which it requests.

[rigid bramble]

also, noob question, but can I turn a constant combinator on and off?

with circuits that is

[umbral meteor]

Yeah.. for that you would need this

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/aai-signal-transmission

[rigid bramble]

I wanna be like on [REDACTED] less than 100, send a request to get more [REDACTED] from the planet its made on

[quasi ocean]

I would make a decider combinator that outputs a signal if the condition is true

[rigid bramble]

I want it to output a signal of a certain number though

[umbral meteor]

still can xD

[rigid bramble]

but a constant combinator is always 'on', right?

[quasi ocean]

Well you can either output the signal with the same number as the input, or 1, or a low enough number to bother setting multiple 1 signals

[quasi ocean]

Yes, it's constant

[umbral meteor]

decider -> example. "Iron ore above 10k" -> output Iron Ore value 1
arithmetic -> input from decider out, with input set to each and then "times whatever value you want for output"

one example

[quasi ocean]

Or if you're a heretic, here's how I get an output signal to always be 5

[rigid bramble]

I've got a decider to output a constant signal on a condition

I am not making 100 outputs xD

[umbral meteor]

or that xD

unless you want it to be 100 or something xD

[rigid bramble]

well I'm not sure, but its going to be more than 5 I'm sure

[quasi ocean]

Yeah if you want 100, output 1, run through an arithmetic combinator, multiply by 100

[rigid bramble]

not a constant combinator to decider and have it output 'input count'?

[quasi ocean]

If the input for a decider is constant, it would never decide anything

[umbral meteor]

i do this for my "recycling" and recycling.
"if item x is above 10k output item x 1" -> and then arithmetic takes that and multiply by 200 and send to requester chests as "set request"

because if i just did "input count" suddenly i would have a request for say 10k steel xD

[lofty marsh]

This. And if you remember to filter the output to only read the input count of either red or green depending on what you connected the constant with

[hearty meteor]

You can have it have one condition it checks, and then output "input count" of the constant combinator signal.
But your condition signal has to be something else

[rigid bramble]

yeah the input is the constant signal of 100 mcguffins, the condition will be checking how many mcguffins are in a chest or belt

[umbral meteor]

but, you can also specify the actual output signal on the arithmetic, so instead of "each" you can say ✅ out xD

[lofty marsh]

Filter condition on the wire color and you can use the same signals for both inputs

[rigid bramble]

I think I have it cracked, now to see if it works

and hoping I haven't got things mixed up 😮

[plush ginkgo]

this form of communication would add more incentive to use Shifts and AND operators. I like it.

also i wonder why everyone seems to favour circuit less sushi belts for science labs...
They are so big and clunky in comparison to the circuit system i built and improved on using the new random selector

[rigid bramble]

I guess because of KISS and the fact you have an infinite map

[plush ginkgo]

KISS?

[umbral meteor]

"Keep It Simple Stupid" ?

[rigid bramble]

yeah that

[plush ginkgo]

well my circuit system is way simpler than all those belt balancer things

"whats missing from the belt" -> "add to belt"

[rigid bramble]

I just have a side of a belt for each individual science

[plush ginkgo]

i have one circuit, and X science labs connected to 1 belt that goes around in a circle

very stackable and easy

also filters out the spoilage very easily <-<

[umbral meteor]

speaking of, with stacking now you can essentially have 4x the speed of a Turbo Belt, unless the "belt stack +1" techs increased it to 6?

[solid pollen]

does gleba research also spoil?

[umbral meteor]

if the max is 4, the new belts can essentially transfer 240 items a second

[umbral meteor]

yes