Factorio

[umbral meteor]

i will also have 4x Reb belt green circuits, but that have to wait until i set up the primary main bus xD

reason for the 8 Iron plate, is 4 of them go to my Mall.

frankly, most will go into Belt production xD

[woeful geyser]

My God

I have only 2 belts of iron/copper

And plan to pull those up soon

[umbral meteor]

my standard is...

8 iron plate
4 copper plate
2 steel
4 green circuits
2 red circuits
1 blue circuits
1 plastic
1 coal
and one 1/2 stone, 1/2 stone brick

there is actually initially 3x plastic, but two goes away at red circuits.
same with 2-3 of the green circuits goes away at red/blue circuits

[woeful geyser]

Yeah I have nowhere near any of that

[umbral meteor]

anyways, time for food.
and then back to expanding the factory

[woeful geyser]

My current factory will have to do until at least Fulgora. And then I'll start to redesign again

[solid pollen]

see I just skipped that step and went right into over-preparing.... and its still not on the same level as Zangiry

I bow down to his greater Factorio-fu

[woeful geyser]

I mean. Once I have Fulgora conquered. I'll be able to REALLY start scaling

Though I might make use of some of the recipes already... decisions...

[rigid bramble]

is one belt of plastic going to be enough for LDS?

[woeful geyser]

Do you want an answer

[rigid bramble]

based on nauvis tech that is

[woeful geyser]

Actually I can't answer that because my current base is copper starved

[umbral meteor]

[rigid bramble]

I never bus coal or plastic, since both are used in like two whole places

[woeful geyser]

I mean. Red circuits and LDS are both pretty big things... do you bus fluid then?

[umbral meteor]

no, i belt barrels

[rigid bramble]

but like it doesn't need to service the entire bus

and honestly in an ideal base, I would have a full belt of stone and stone brick, due to needing to go to different places

[hearty meteor]

I believe I've mostly done my bootstrapping base with just 1-2 belts of iron and copper each, then 1 belts of greenies. Anything used in more than 1 recipe and is more compact than the raw materials gets put on the bus

Been a while since I played, though, so memory might be playing tricks

[umbral meteor]

oh, i'm done with my bootstrap xD

this is more the permanent base xD

[hearty meteor]

Permanent base is switching to trains ;P

[umbral meteor]

before i have to rebuild later after getting tech from the other planets

[umbral meteor]

yes?

this IS train based xD

[hearty meteor]

Train-to-train base. Everything is just loaded into assemblers and such direactly from a train, and the output is loaded directly into another train.

Sounds perfect, right?

[umbral meteor]

naah, by that point i have 1m+ bots and is entirely bot based xD

[hearty meteor]

I was actually talking more like having a space producing one thing, with the amount of trains needed for that product, and then loading it up on another train to move it where the product is needed.

Bots are cringe

;P

[umbral meteor]

which i also do xD
One massive area for iron smelting, one for copper, and so on.
beaconed and bots to move the resources around,
and then trains for input/output

😝

but with each area having 100-150k bots...

[hearty meteor]

I basically never use logistics bots for anything other than supplying the character

[umbral meteor]

Iron, Copper, Steel, Green Circuits, Red Circuits, Blue Circuits, Plastic and so on xD

[hearty meteor]

It just becomes boring to me to use logistics bots

Key part "to me"

[umbral meteor]

they are kinda needed when you build megabase size xD

at least to somewhat of an extent

they are not part of my main bus or main base however

just in the production/smelting areas

[hearty meteor]

I can't see how. Belts move things short distances from train to production to train again, and trains move things flexibly on the train lines

Bots can make the logistics of a production space easier, but I don't really see how they would be needed

As long as one is having fun with how one sets it up it doesn't really matter that much in the end, though

[umbral meteor]

when you have 500 beaconed smelters in one "station", belts become a hassle xD

😝

[woeful geyser]

City block base? Boooring

[hearty meteor]

No, not city block XD

I'll try to find an image

I found this one while looking, which I think deserves to be seen

But I was talking more like this:

[rigid bramble]

30 degree city blocks

[hearty meteor]

Looks snazzy. But gosh darn it I wouldn't play with that.
Also; you sure it's not 22.5 degree city blocks?

[rigid bramble]

I'm sure they said 30 degrees in the FFF

I'll have a look when I'm playing

but I'm sure there is 2 granulations between 0 and 45

[hearty meteor]

I'm pretty sure 45/2 is 22.5, and that I saw 22.5 degrees mentioned. But as with your memory, mine may be faulty too

Hmmm.

Well, doesn't matter that much in the end

[rigid bramble]

they spghetti hard

[hearty meteor]

It's one or the other

[rigid bramble]

assuming there is still a 45 degree

[hearty meteor]

That's a point too. Although I would think they'd do their best to keep the old rails at least somewhat compatible. Old blueprint books with rails should be able to be updated, IIRC

While looking I found this, though;

What if the train you're riding ran out of fuel while over some water? We don't want the player to get stuck with no way to escape.

We brainstormed many ideas, but the simplest and easiest solution won out: "Players can push locomotives with their feet, flintstone style".

[rigid bramble]

you have to remember its a 16 distance corner compared to something like a 12

[hearty meteor]

I'm not sure what you mean by this, could you please explain a bit more?

[rigid bramble]

like doing a full half circle is 16 squares across

[hearty meteor]

Aren't they 14 now?

[rigid bramble]

whichever, they are bigger now xD

[hearty meteor]

I mean, I'm not sure they're 14, but that's what I believe I've heard

The wiki is not updated XD. Still puts it at 12 tiles across a circle

I couldn't find anything about the degrees of the new rail pieces in https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-377

Might be that they actually haven't said exactly what they are

To a point having 15 degree possibilities would probably be nice.

[rigid bramble]

its a tad confusing

[umbral meteor]

Pasta rails!

[rigid bramble]

and yes, it is 28 tiles for a semi circle

[umbral meteor]

Power set up, 180 MW available (for now)

one solar panel xD

[hearty meteor]

Did you figure out the degree options? My brain is overheating a bit just looking at that now

[umbral meteor]

[rigid bramble]

technically the second from the right is the same angle as the far right
so that is your 90 and your 45

but if you notice, the third along isn't quite the middle

[hearty meteor]

Would've been nice if they'd just stated the degrees (or radians) for the new rail pieces somewhere

[rigid bramble]

this is probably your best bet

which would be as you say 22.5

3 different angles between 2 cardinal directions

but it might be 0, 30, 45, 60, 90

if you read the FFF the goal was to create S-bends, rather than a whole new angle of traversal

[hearty meteor]

Actually, 30 degrees (and 60 degrees, conversely) have that thing where they fit nicely with integer values for x and y, IIRC

Would've been nice to have an official answer to it, though

[rigid bramble]

just get a protractor out and stick it on the picture xD

[woeful geyser]

Currently working on automating the things I need to make on Vulcanus... and completely neglecting oil in the process

[solid pollen]

is anyone else disappointed that if you run a train up an elevated rail it doesnt throw you off, theme park style?

[woeful geyser]

Can I present to you: Renai Transportation

[solid pollen]

is that the one that lets you throw trains and shit out the cargo?

[woeful geyser]

Yes

It also has ramps

[solid pollen]

ehhh, i just wanted the death part for my hubris of not looking where i am going

[hearty meteor]

Apparently the new "straight" rail pieces are 26.5 degrees or something like that, according to some comments in https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/16pkomi/in_case_you_missed_it_update_20_will_double_the/

So neither 22.5 nor 30 degrees XD

[woeful geyser]

Neat

[rigid bramble]

ew reddit

you comment on 30 degrees working with XY values checks out though

the longer curves are so it can fit better on a grid for the new angle snap points

[hearty meteor]

Yeah, I know. Wish I could've avoided it, but I couldn't find anywhere else that had anything

[umbral meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gb0njltA0g

😁

[solid pollen]

thats so cool

[hearty meteor]

What dusk wrote in Technical Factorio. I'm inclined to believe they know their stuff.

[leaden mauve]

Terrible

[solid pollen]

terrible that I think that, or terrible that they dont allow us to commit train based destructive suicide in vanilla?

[woeful geyser]

So long, and thanks for all the goodies!

[hearty meteor]

Can you change the name of train stations with circuits now? Would've made LTN-style more easy, I think.

[woeful geyser]

Not as far as I know.

[hearty meteor]

Well, darn. They added so much that that could've been a cool thing

[woeful geyser]

The closest we have is the parameters.

But yes... it's time for me to GET OFF THIS ROCK

[hearty meteor]

Yeah, I read and heard about them and thought that might be used for dynamic naming of stations too

Anyone need a lane balancer? https://mods.factorio.com/mod/lane-splitters

Factorissimo is apparently updated for 2.0 with Factorissimo3

[woeful geyser]

Bleh my trains are broken again... I give up for now

[rigid bramble]

just apply some nucleonic maintenance

[woeful geyser]

My base is due a redesign if I want to make use of the new goodies I have... but I just. Do not. Want. To redo it all.

I should build a Fulgora ship, go there, make a factory and then maybe think about a redesign once I have half of the new things I want to use.

[rigid bramble]

nuke it all, start again

[woeful geyser]

Half tempted...

But meh. I hate redesigning

[hearty meteor]

Just get a blueprint book off the internet, right?

Just leave the old base where it is and start a new base somewhere else?

[woeful geyser]

I was unclear. I like the puzzles of designing a layout. I hate actually building it large scale and all that, planning out my bus etc.

Getting the raw resources and stuff is boring and rather tedious on Nauvis especially

[hearty meteor]

Make it without a bus. Do everything directly, like in the Factorio trailer (although that one is pretty interestingly designed XD)

But yeah, I can see that

[woeful geyser]

I do cook a fine spaghetti...

[hearty meteor]

I'm mostly just riffing and making stupid suggestions

[woeful geyser]

But I like the order of a bus

[hearty meteor]

And it often looks pretty neat on the map

[woeful geyser]

Yes.

[hearty meteor]

I love how factories can look like circuit boards

[umbral meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPdUjLqC15Q

😁

[leaden mauve]

Terrible that you can't launch trains

[solid pollen]

oh good

I like you

[hearty meteor]

I'm sure Renai is going to get an update to make use of elevated rails too

[woeful geyser]

Time to make a second space ship...

[hearty meteor]

And then a third

Are there "train stop limits" for space ships over planets?

[woeful geyser]

I don't think so

[solid pollen]

can space ships trafer to other space ships?

[hearty meteor]

No, from what I've heard others answer the same question

Well, not without going through a planet first, at least

[solid pollen]

damn

i really hope someone makes a spaceship only mod about travelling around trying to fix your spaceship

PLEASE. I swear I will WILL it into being

[woeful geyser]

Mistakes were made (I set the wrong recipe)

[solid pollen]

there are no mistakes. only happy little accidents!

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-painting-bob-ross-paint-gif-10843945200387507321

[woeful geyser]

Ugh... y'know I really want to enjoy Space Age but I'm running into a problem that I have ran into in the past with Factorio... and it's that I hate rebuilding my base even if it's what I should do to make life for future me easier which ends in me just procrastinating and band-aid fixing stuff...

I really enjoy the puzzle solving that Factorio provides. But actually building a proper base afterwards or rather, scaling up said base when I realize I didn't build enough of something really kills my drive... like right now my Vulcanus base is starved for oil but I just... cannot find the desire to redo the oil setup there into something that is workable... I just... ugh. It annoys me. Because I know what I need to do... ish. But just can't bring myself to do it because it is tedious.

Might just go to the next planet and bootleg my way to the finish line

[woeful geyser]

Sorry for the rant...

[umbral meteor]

[solid pollen]

Nothing wrong with a good rant, I feel basically the same way a lot of the time

[umbral meteor]

[lofty marsh]

i believe that feeling is very common amongst factorio players

[umbral meteor]

[space-age] Offshore pump speed increases with quality.

[solid pollen]

so it goes from 1000 billion to 1000 trillion?

[rigid bramble]

you could just... build a second pump

[umbral meteor]

Updating xD

[solid pollen]

do you even actually need a second pump? water for oil and water for nuclear...

and concrete

[umbral meteor]

Offshore pump only produce 1200/s normally

[solid pollen]

i guess nuclear needs a bit more then 😛

unlesss you can run your base on steam only

or solar

[umbral meteor]

sure, for steam related things water usage has been reduced by a factor of 10

but for everything else there is no change

also, offshore pump does other things on other planets xD

[woeful geyser]

The ratios changed so you don't need a dumb amount of pumps

[solid pollen]

so what your saying is i should waste unlimited iron and copper to get quailty pumps?

NODDERS

[umbral meteor]

at least to pump lava and oil 😉

[woeful geyser]

Tbh I have 8 foundries running off a single pump and it seems to cope...

[umbral meteor]

need MOAR!

i have a battle on my hands though

"pipe overextended"

[woeful geyser]

Place pump

Problem solved

[umbral meteor]

Yeah, i know.
just had to set up the crafting for it xD'

[woeful geyser]

I'm sad you can't cast engines...

Oh wait we're going into spoiler territory

[lofty marsh]

try to imagine the mould needed for that. either the parts would be fused together or the molten iron wouldnt get in where it needs to be

[woeful geyser]

Shhhhh

[umbral meteor]

Engines are cast irl though xD

[woeful geyser]

^

[umbral meteor]

ofc in multiple parts and then put together, but still

[lofty marsh]

multiple parts is what you do in factorio too isnt it?

[woeful geyser]

Still I just wanna use the foundry for it because it's a nice machine

[umbral meteor]

we need a manufactory building that combines a foundry and assembler in one

😄

[woeful geyser]

I guess the reason you can't cast it is because the recipe would be just molten iron

One thing I do love though is ||casting concrete||

[umbral meteor]

pumps in place, flamer pipes stopped complaining xD

one of the pipes were like 1325/320 xD

😝

[woeful geyser]

Oof

[umbral meteor]

Well you know, long wall sections xD

[hearty meteor]

I'm pretty sure engine blocks have been cast: https://www.sunrise-metal.com/how-cast-aluminum-engine-blocks-are-made-a-comprehensive-guide/ ;P

[lofty marsh]

casting the casing isnt what i was referring to. engines in factorio are fully assembled with moving parts, so casting and getting that result would increase complexity of the casting machine by a lot. but i dont work in the manufacturing industry, so it is possible i have missed something.

[hearty meteor]

Should make it a metal 3D-printer instead ;P

[lofty marsh]

i believe that would also have some issues. mainly getting rid of the support structures needed during printing. so getting high quality is tricky but should be practically doable in some cases. it would depend on the clearance needed.

[umbral meteor]

prints your 3D

[umbral meteor]

As long as you make the supports in a different material that can be removed using some process, without damaging the main "print", that's no real issue really.

[lofty marsh]

since our 2d printers are 3d. if we could build a 4d 3d printer a lot would be easier to print

[umbral meteor]

i've seen this been done with both metal printing as well as circuit board printing

irl

[lofty marsh]

a different material is a great way to solve almost all cases i can think of. it of course gets harder the smaller clearance needed for moving parts

[hearty meteor]

The patch notes for 2.0.7 (https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?t=116184) actually noted the new rail pieces, and 22.5 degree tracks. Well, at least I found official numbers on it in the end, but when I was looking for something else XD

[umbral meteor]

@woeful geyser my walls have no warnings, but at the same time ALL the flamers are fed by the oil field down south east (near the T-junction and iron patch)

pipes not walls*

[woeful geyser]

Quad track... good lord

Can I hire you to redo my nauvis/vulcanus base

[umbral meteor]

Legacy tracks though xD

[woeful geyser]

Oof

[umbral meteor]

i made my own track BP book, and copied it over

so the main tracks are legacy, but i'm using the new ones as well

as they link up completely fine to straight tracks

[woeful geyser]

I think you only have to replace the corners

Still I envy your dedication. I want to... but just cannot be asked

[umbral meteor]

i have some fun intersections though xD

[woeful geyser]

I need to bootleg Fulgora

Then return to nauvis, rip it all up and do it from scratch

[woeful geyser]

Now imagine that with ELEVATED rails

... I should spend some time designing rail junctions. Because I enjoy making those

[umbral meteor]

i'm going to use elevated to make roundabouts

[woeful geyser]

I don't shun roundabouts

But yeah I'm super excited to do Fulgora because I am planning to do some convoluted shenanigans with interrupts

[umbral meteor]

hmmm, i see enemy coprses at my walls

whelp, time to build an actual plastic/oil setup, and not just a bootstrap one for blue science xD

i've done this essentially just using a bootstrap base as well as LOTS of hand crafting xD

(i already have Lazy Bastard)

[woeful geyser]

I've never tried that

[solid pollen]

I feel like lazy bastard is one I would rather do with company

[woeful geyser]

I can definitely see Fulgora becoming a spaghetti haven

[umbral meteor]

Lazy Bastard i did alone. "There is no Spoon" however i did in MP with a bunch of people in an achievement hunt game.

same with "get on track like a pro"

[woeful geyser]

I need getting on track like a pro...

[solid pollen]

that the build a train one?

[umbral meteor]

within 90 min

[solid pollen]

fuck that noise

i ignore anything that has a time requirement. Im a turtle

[umbral meteor]

or rather, place a rail engine on a track within 90 min of game start

[solid pollen]

I feel like you its not difficult to do but it would require planning exactly what you needed ahead of time

[rigid bramble]

LB is more of a state of mind

[woeful geyser]

How is the Gleba suffering

[umbral meteor]

beeline for train, make two straight tracks and an engine, and place it on said track.

done

[woeful geyser]

3

Technically it can be done on 2 but that's fiddly

[rigid bramble]

Roadtrain have you never tried on of this full conversion mods? xD

[woeful geyser]

I've played Bob's Angels on MP servers but I usually got distracted doing train stuff

[umbral meteor]

Wartrain!

[solid pollen]

wartrain?

[woeful geyser]

Other than that? No. I could do the puzzles but scaling to a factory of that size is not my thing

[woeful geyser]

War FARL my beloved

[umbral meteor]

Bob's Angels + FARL = WARTRAIN!

[woeful geyser]

YEEEES

BULLDOZER MODE LET'S GO

[solid pollen]

oh doesnt FARL let you place tracks ahead so you can train anywhere?

hell yeah WARTRAIN!

[rigid bramble]

just that you seem resistant to working out new things xD
not meaning to offend, just what I'm noticing

[woeful geyser]

Yes. Bulldozer mode turns you into a demolisher

[umbral meteor]

yup, and remove them again behind the train xD

[solid pollen]

oh shit that just brings a tear to my eye

[woeful geyser]

Oh Gleba is interesting to me

[rigid bramble]

and btw, I essentially have infinite iron and copper, albiet slowly

[woeful geyser]

Just... not as first planet

[solid pollen]

Im better than roadtrain, im not resisting to TRYING new things, im just resistant to LEARNING them KEKW

[woeful geyser]

I'm not resistant to either I just think going Gleba first is a bad choice. I also don't like Gleba because it requires I think about defenses

[umbral meteor]

but yeah, time to actually build the infrastructure to go into space! xD

[woeful geyser]

And I HATE defenses

[solid pollen]

Gleba is the swamp spoiling half spider place right?

[woeful geyser]

Yes

[umbral meteor]

time to add ALL the turret/gun mods xD

[solid pollen]

yeah fuck that noise, im going there as late as i cna

[woeful geyser]

No it's more I don't like building defenses

[rigid bramble]

I think once you get there and figure it out you'll be fine

[solid pollen]

fulgoria to thunderdome baybee

[woeful geyser]

It's why I do not like Nauvis

And I enjoyed getting away from it

[rigid bramble]

just stick a 9 by 9 grid of lasers around a substation, job done

[umbral meteor]

anyways, back to the factory.
time to set up my plastic

[woeful geyser]

I don't think my power can sustain that...

[rigid bramble]

just burn all the spoilage

[woeful geyser]

Even if I do run a tiny 2x2 reactor

[solid pollen]

i spent my time today making 20 MW of solar panels and 200 accumalators so my power issues are gone yippee

[rigid bramble]

and take a metric ton of solar panels

[woeful geyser]

I still haven't done any solar on Nauvis

[solid pollen]

im only doing it because my power was failing and I wouldnt get my coal patch set up soon enough 😄

[rigid bramble]

your only other source of power on gleba is spoilage

but spoilage is factory food

conversely, its the fact that you can't make things spoil faster that is an issue

[woeful geyser]

Can you not just burn produce. Surely you can burn not-spoilage

Actually that's spoilers

[rigid bramble]

spoilage or [REDACTED]

or trees

tbh I don't know the answer yet either

but you must know you need to create the parts to make rockets, right?

and rockets

I need a reminded as to why this isn't a missile

[woeful geyser]

Honestly yes they should rename rockets to missiles

[umbral meteor]

time for a break

been factory building all day

[rigid bramble]

I'm just going to leroy my platform back home, then work out how to not have it iron starved

LEEROOOOOY

[solid pollen]

just build 10 steel chests and wait till they fill with iron. problem solved COPIUM

[rigid bramble]

on a space platform....

[solid pollen]

are you saying youve maxxed out your platform?

if not, steel chests go BRRRRRRrrrr

[rigid bramble]

its not getting iron

have you even built a platform yet?

[solid pollen]

nope

didnt you know people with no knowledge in a subject are the most confidently wrong?

😄

[hearty meteor]

I think you can't build chests on the platform. At least not steel chests ;P

[solid pollen]

really?

Sadge

well there goes my totally valid plan

[hearty meteor]

Now, where did I read that?

Was it patch notes, or was it just in passing somewhere else

[solid pollen]

just log in and check now 😛

every time i type im so paranoid ive typed in dapper baron den again 😄

[rigid bramble]

I wasn't going to spoil the surprise if they hadn't xD

[solid pollen]

FUCK

can flame turrets work on station 😄 ?

[woeful geyser]

Uhhhh even if they could: rocks are immune to fire

[solid pollen]

booooo

why cant we presmelt them

also sad that the thunder planet doesnt give you magnetic shielding

unless it does?

[rigid bramble]

magnetic shielding for what, the sun? xD

(fyi, that tech irl isn't to repel asteroids )

[solid pollen]

well if a rock doesnt have iron or metal in it, it wouldnt really damage a space station right? im talking about sending out a "shield" of magnetic force to push asteroids away

like its gonna hit you and you say "no u"

[rigid bramble]

magnetic shielding, or a magnetosphere, is to protect against solar wind

[solid pollen]

ok i feel like you are irrationally focusing on the nomenclature

im talking about something sending out magnetic waves to push asteroids away

so "magnet" and "shield" so i just mashed them together

[rigid bramble]

and if you get hit by a chunk of platinum or other non-ferromagnetic material ? xD
but typically magnetic shielding is used in sci fi, based on real world stuff

[solid pollen]

ahhh im sad, I figured most asteroids would have at least some iron in them

bleh. Cant you just let me have star trek shields

we already have phasers and it looks like photon missiles

[rigid bramble]

they have shields, its called gun turrets

you can also put walls on your platform too

[solid pollen]

you can use walls? but.... if the foundation is made of steel and the walls are made of stone....

game logic hand waving

that makes total sense

[rigid bramble]

the walls get hit first, then the platform underneath

[solid pollen]

my point was, why incase steel in stone to protect it 😛

[rigid bramble]

ablative armour

[solid pollen]

you just have good answers for everything DONTCHA!

on another note, im relearning why belt balancers at the train depot are a good idea as i see one train carriage completely empty and the other three full

[rigid bramble]

maybe :p

though if you shoot the rocks before they hit you, you won't need armour

[hearty meteor]

Funnily enough I saw some good arguments for why you don't really need belt balancers when loading a train, because it's going to be balanced if you do "until cargo full" for the wait condition anyway. But if you want the train to move on quickly from unloading, maybe so you get the full throughput of all the wagon loads at the same time, then you kinda need to somehow balance it. I've some times used a sort of Madzuri loader in reverse. But now I have learned that a bulk inserter unloading onto a red splitter sideloading onto a belt will almost, if not fully, saturate one side of a yellow belt. So you can do this:

[indigo gust]

I used to do balanced both for optimal load/unload speed on an angelbobs game - any imbalance on the source side will lead to slow loading, and I had an LTN like setup, with each station serving "towns" with several products in and out. Without balancing in, only a few inserters would be working.

[solid pollen]

is that the new design for loading unloading? i remember it having more spaghet

and an underground belt

[rigid bramble]

Spaaaaace brick, smasher of the asteroids

[hearty meteor]

Not sure if it's the best, but it works fairly well. A 1-4 train with those unloaders mostly fill 4 red belts of output. With 1 or 2 bulk inserter upgrades

And you can obviously do it on both sides

Though you can't turn it into a loader station, the splitter thingy only works that one way

[solid pollen]

and it looks like it needs to be one rank higher

[hearty meteor]

It works reasonably well with the splitters being the same tier, but I tried upgrading them to reds and they filled the yellow belts up a lot better that way.

I'm sure the people at Technical Factorio Discord have a lot better solutions. Maybe using tanks instead of chests

[solid pollen]

tanks instead of cars seems much safer for biter attacks

surely seeing tanks on belts would scare biters away

[hearty meteor]

Heheh

You've seen my "cars on belts" mall from Seablock?

[solid pollen]

im guessing you cant send a tank to the space station?

yes

its disgusting beautiful was my exact compliment

[indigo gust]

My take on a pioneer ship for settling on new planets

[hearty meteor]

It's not something I would generally recommend, but it's a fun project to just mess around with

[hearty meteor]

You've made a roloux triangle (or however it's written)

[rigid bramble]

I hot dropped a tank on my planet of choice
sadly it wasn't a Halo-esque kick the hatch moment

[indigo gust]

Guess so yes - tried to make it sort of roundish

[hearty meteor]

Set up a lot of tanks with personal laser defenses as your turrets. With the personal nuclear reactor (or whatever it is) for power, and they don't draw any power from your power grid either.

A roloux triangle is sort of roundish

[indigo gust]

yeah, I found the geometric definition now, "Reuleaux triangle" seems to be the spelling - each edge a semi circle with center in the opposite corner

[hearty meteor]

That's a lot of letters

I really butchered the spelling XD

[indigo gust]

Judging by the pronounciation, I would write it Rølo

[rigid bramble]

wait, I posted that already, huh

well its now a sucess

also if I actually look at tool tips I might be SMRT

[hearty meteor]

What was a success?

[rigid bramble]

the FastShip Gleba
its not getting slowly destroyed by asteroids

[hearty meteor]

Enough guns to equip a country?

[indigo gust]

My ship had a close call with regards to ammo - a single lane on the red belt - the last turrets started flashing red on the way to Fulgora. Luckily I have an excess amount of iron gears there, so I'm making blue belts to dispose of them to stop them from clogging my factory.

[woeful geyser]

I need to mass-produce cliff explosives, level an area and build base 2.0 on Vulcanus already... and do it properly this time.

Then, probably go Fulgora, get the goodies from there and build Nauvis 3.0

[solid pollen]

shouldnt you wait till you visit everywhere before making base 3.0?

[woeful geyser]

My base is struggling already

And at least if I've been to those 2

[solid pollen]

fair

you think this is enough solar/accumulators just to keep a minimum level of power for a base?

[woeful geyser]

I'm not using solar

[solid pollen]

well ill take your non answer as an emphatic yes and a "good job magi"

[woeful geyser]

[solid pollen]

thanks RT you are absolutely not a troll

[rigid bramble]

why no solar

[woeful geyser]

Because nuclear?

[solid pollen]

but... solar....

its FREE ENERGY

[woeful geyser]

It takes space and effort

[hearty meteor]

Bots...
And it's not like you're using the space anyway ;P

[solid pollen]

just add it to your rail BP

then its just done automagically

[indigo gust]

Looks far neater than mine - I fill them in along the coast in a place where I have no intention of expanding the base and where they will not be in the way for rail (south west of spawn on the same seed as Aavak). I miss the electric boilers from Space Exploration - cheaper and more compact to use steam tank batteries there, even if there is a bit of loss - and there you really need a lot of power to deal with a major threat

[solid pollen]

I have the grid for my base planned out and theres a nice clear space above it, which will make it look all neat and tidy when i start laying down concrete and my actual base and then solar panels and accumulators above. I plan a full flame/extric turret defense so I dont need to faff about with coming back when biggies come

[rigid bramble]

but are you doing solar properly if you can't make a cat's cradle out of the wires?

[woeful geyser]

Okay I just did the math on foundries vs smelters... and it's fucking insane.

Like it is genuinely nuts how efficient it is. I need to switch over asap

[rigid bramble]

Gleba when

[solid pollen]

i prefer seperated blocks, and lines for solar panels and accumulators

[rigid bramble]

that cross set up as demo'ed by Aavak also, is just a neat tileable square

[solid pollen]

I mean a better neat one is 8 accumulators surrounded by solar panels

you dont need the big power poles

[rigid bramble]

well the solar panels are fat

also you can lop a corner off and put a laser turret there instead

[solid pollen]

who needs defenses for their expensive and large vulnerable power production and storage KEKW

also side note, we have got a patch basically every day since launch with bug fixes, damn Wube workin hard

[rigid bramble]

it just tucks in nicely

[solid pollen]

you know im starting to remember why i wait till i get blue chips before starting base 2.0

not having legs makes shit SLOW

[rigid bramble]

laughs in +165% movement speed

[hearty meteor]

Just a normal day at Wube

I think it helps when you're allowed to care about the details and futz around with it until you solve it, which it seems like the devs at Wube are allowed to, nay, encouraged to

[solid pollen]

agreed

I mean they launched a banger game, then added mod makers to the team, then incorporated mods into the base game with an expansion

if thats not fan/customer service what is

just fucking take my money

[woeful geyser]

BURN IT

This, is a satellite. Trust.

[rigid bramble]

baby tree do do do do do

[solid pollen]

so spoil me a little, how does the amount of thrusters effect travelling? is it just speed or do you need a set amount to visit certain places, because honestly i cant see the reason to ever have more than one

[rigid bramble]

with a little fanagling you can get better efficiency not running your engines at 100%

also do you want to get there in one piece today, or many pieces next week

[solid pollen]

cant you keep collecting asteroid bits mid travel?

[rigid bramble]

to me if it takes longer, you're exposed to asteroids for longer

[solid pollen]

i suppose then it depends on how speed effects asteroid attacks/spawning

[rigid bramble]

with 5 engines @ 260 tons I get a speed of 270km/s

the longer you're in an asteroid field, the more chance of getting hit surely

[solid pollen]

for a real one I would say the slower you are going the less likely you are to get hit, what with the ability to detect and avoid. the faster you go in space the harder it is to manuever

although that is also predecated on the idea that dodging is physically possible

[rigid bramble]

the quicker you get to safety the better

[solid pollen]

I would say I would give it similar connotations to ice cracking underneath you

caution over haste

slow is smooth and smooth is fast

[rigid bramble]

but in factorio you don't go softly softly, you punch through

[solid pollen]

....I cant argue with that logic

[solid pollen]

in factorio softly softly is for pussies

[woeful geyser]

Like I said earlier. Satellite.

[solid pollen]

have you considered the hammerhead method?

[woeful geyser]

I need to add more collectors and stuff... but I'm taking advantage of the fact I can get carbon in space to yeet it down to Vulcanus

[rigid bramble]

carbon?

[woeful geyser]

Yes?

You'll figure out why you need it. And why this is a completely valid thing to do.

[rigid bramble]

i thought there was coal on vulcanus

[woeful geyser]

Yes... but not much lol

Besides I need that coal for oil.

And also this is just... a cool thing to do?

[rigid bramble]

it does feel a tad cheap, i'll admit

especially when you can later get copper and calcite in space

[woeful geyser]

Given I had to build this on Nauvis and fly it over, I feel vindicated.

You can't realistically build a platform in the orbits of the other planets.

[rigid bramble]

I was going to say Gleba orbit was benign, but then I was over Nauvis xD

[woeful geyser]

Yeah no only Nauvis Orbit is 'safe'.

[rigid bramble]

I sent space platform out to get milk and eggs

[woeful geyser]

Besides I can make use of my fancy new asteroid reforming recipe to turn ice asteroids (which I simply do not need) into carbon/iron asteroids.

[rigid bramble]

well, spoilers, ||heat exchangers||

on a side note, I feel Gleba is actually changed a bit since the FFF post

[woeful geyser]

Which one, there were several about Gleba.

They also changed the pipe network length, cause it used to be 250

[rigid bramble]

all the mechanics

I did see the extents number

[woeful geyser]

I believe Gleba used to have iron/copper patches.

Ngl tho. The fact you'll be able to get calcite in space via Gleba makes it tempting. Like very tempting. But I am doing Gleba last because Fulgora looks more fun.... anyway back to reworking my trains

[rigid bramble]

now you see why I wanted to go there xD

[hearty meteor]

I've gotten the impression that it's more that you'll have to be quick about it (have several rocket tubes full of all the materials you need at one time) than it not being reasonably possible to build a platform on the other planets. But it's probably a lot easier to just build it in Nauvis orbit. Don't remember what Steejo and Arumba did when they got their platform minced above Vulcanus to get home.

[woeful geyser]

You'd need to have a blueprint ready or something...

[rigid bramble]

and Gleba is fine, I have an ammo train now

[indigo gust]

Regarding speed/travel time - I would expect that going faster means higher frequency of astroids over a shorter time, hence more stress on the defences? Or do they spawn at the same rate even while stopped between destinations? Could make sense to automate slow down in case of ammo shortage or "taking damage" signal.

[hearty meteor]

I would concur with X-BT. Ammo production takes time, and if going slower means the time to product of ammo is lower than time to consuption of one unit of ammo then going slow is better than going fast. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast

Or just face-tank the asteroids, I guess ;P

[feral hazel]

So after 42 hours of space-age (most of which was spent on Vulcanus for the achievement to kill the first enemy base with artillery) I finally decide to explore more on nauvis, because I wanted to find a nice green area to setup my mid-game base, just to find out my Railworld-seed spawned me on a giant Island -_-

[hearty meteor]

I think we need the seed

[indigo gust]

With my ammo on a sushi belt (technically it is split between ammo in one lane and asteroid sushis in the other) it runs the risk of not having enough throughput for the turrets even if I stockpile some ammo in the hub - but I could easily use the amount of ammo on the belt as an indicator for when to slow down.

[feral hazel]

/seed command says 2554381513

[hearty meteor]

Thank you kindly. I'll try seeing if it also gives an island in plain 2.0 as well, at some point in the future. I have written the seed down

[rigid bramble]

you can tweak the water settings to make an island

[feral hazel]

Here is the map exchage string, if that helps

>>>eNp1Ur+LE0EUnrkY7ry7aJAgCMeZ4toInhZXHNlREFHRf2GdbCZxcLMb50fktDDFlYqNhdp4rSdcIxZ2AUU8UBCt7E5sLFQiijZCnNnd2cxu4sC8/fZ9b773vtmdAQCUAARgqYyvSeqHrsdkk7gh9QHoO2bPetj3qCBPtrfrACCkc/u8EPt2Yt4Lu13CaiHL1O2PFGtKMVNMAtLZqDUwJ3ajUsuXIaMBcXskEFlG+u2QYdfzaatlMwcNQ7mPgya3uYW2TxpTzpTjfDSEmx9iMSa7Sk1MU+MiDDIWk/x1LAiz6+coC4P8fZR8Kq5Q2XEb2memb4Blj/LJaYss9K5mJilyj+GuLXuYC8wEDdouZgS7nZByIRnJHsoPXuHSb0lGPRd7tOm2yQYnzC4oCkZIpvOikEGbCxK4OV8LkuFA+Zrw25O+hwOpfOV+mEMp0ws1oLyTGTe5T6DeBnEW7r5E9/uby0Dv0S1QHY30VmhP1ekNYD8+D1XSXtVTap9O9SGENys7Zz/duOfAuOAYSsAwyQwaJnPOgEvov9SKASctnRPR+mmBuKlQLZKqOTQGMbmpSQjvfHu29efVoA7/Pv7x/mLjsgOPn6l8H67u1BU9q53OpOHhA72eGyvAaO45CfXRgW/f6PXVgUV9oqIDWlNhcKEAYPmAQlu3VaguATNa3chUEGxF67dx8tmAD07eh7qIdS2+rMNrHaKG6WQwhuguguioYY+MS9T5VWDP0Bw73DVtX1j9c4NMfgjbRy6zgqZ8hnndsJmGL4V0GnWf72bNG3qEYEEDXfVL5eI3zRip+FlG0XUX0n9x6GT/NA20yPr5p51/UMhFhA==<<<

[hearty meteor]

Can't hurt. Thank you so much

[feral hazel]

I mean I was aware, just did not think it would happen at 200% scale / 150% coverage 😄

[rigid bramble]

I have made myself an island once

[feral hazel]

intentionally, or on accident?

[rigid bramble]

on purpose

[hearty meteor]

Not on porpoise?

[feral hazel]

thats cool actually, Im just worried that resources will run out, and I kinda wanted the green biome 😦

[hearty meteor]

Landfill!

Send stone or landfill from Vulcanus to Nauvis ;P

[feral hazel]

There is a hint of land down south, so Ill try the new elevated rail probably 😄

[hearty meteor]

That's also a reasonable way to go about it. Should actually keep you from making a land bridge so biters can't actually come onto your island

[woeful geyser]

Oh my god that's beautiful

Yeah, with elevated rails you can basically ignore defenses after clearing out the island

[umbral meteor]

it should normally.
BUT, if @feral hazel sends you the map exchange string, which also includes map settings,
then it definitely will spawn the same map for vanilla 2.0

[woeful geyser]

@umbral meteor

[hearty meteor]

Yeah, I assumed they basically had the exact same generation algorithm

[umbral meteor]

none dlc 2.0 will just ignore all settings and stats related to the DLC, and create the exact same map

minus DLC content

i actually tested this when i were working on creating map for the community server(s)

[hearty meteor]

I would've liked elevated rails. But I don't really need them XD
I haven't really ever saturated the rail network

[woeful geyser]

You can play vanilla with elevated rails if you have the DLC.

[hearty meteor]

Which I don't ;P

[umbral meteor]

the whole point xD

[hearty meteor]

Not that important, really.

But I can see how it would be very important in SA

[umbral meteor]

[feral hazel]

ok i might have softlocked myself

[umbral meteor]

oh?

[woeful geyser]

Not enough stone to get off the island?

[feral hazel]

I just dropped on Fulgora

and I spawned on an Island without any scrap

[woeful geyser]

You should be able to get off said island.

[woeful geyser]

You can get off the island at the south west, then walk north.

You can also get off at the south east.

[feral hazel]

oh. OH

I did not know you could walk on the oil xD

Thanks for the help 😛

[umbral meteor]

shallow "water"

😝

[woeful geyser]

XD

[umbral meteor]

#BlameECO

24h20m until i launch xD

[feral hazel]

where are you launching to?

[feral hazel]

😮

[rigid bramble]

no, its oil sands

[solid pollen]

its an ecological disaster and my god does it make me crave lighting a match

[solid pollen]

although I have to assume that there is a very low oxygen content on the planet

either naturally or because of the disaster that destroyed the ancient buggers

[umbral meteor]

we are the the disaster that destroyed the ancient buggers time shenanigans

[solid pollen]

I would totally believe that the engineer would go back in time, to destroy the ancient buggers, so that in the present he would have had the scrap

[umbral meteor]

sooo, i'm running two sets of factorio at once xD

my Space Age vanilla run, and a standalone instance with one mod installed

Helmod xD

[feral hazel]

that sounds ominous

[umbral meteor]

it's like factory planner

[rigid bramble]

Isn't there a web based planner?

[feral hazel]

thats cool!

[umbral meteor]

probably, but i know how to handle this one xD

[rigid bramble]

saves you having the game open twice xD

[umbral meteor]

eeeh xD

its fine

[rigid bramble]

though honestly, with all the bells and whistles 2.0 brings with it, I'd opine you don't need helmod for vanilla

just a pen, paper and a calculator

[umbral meteor]

i have ADHD, the gui version works better for me

for the visualization

[rigid bramble]

fair enough

[umbral meteor]

i think Aavak needed more bullets xD

i'm not watching, just listening xD

[rigid bramble]

He made, its cool

I think he has the bullets but they're in storage

[feral hazel]

Its very easy to overestimate your ships capabilities. I had to abandon ship in 2 instances now 😄
On my first arrival to Vulcanus (not enough bullet production -> asteroids in orbit outdamaged it)
And now on my first Arrival on Fulgora ( Less Solar power lead to the bullet Production not being able to keep up again :D)

[rigid bramble]

if you read up I had to do a Leroy with my ship to get it home with no ammo

[feral hazel]

xD

Tried that, but an asteroid ripped right trough, so I reloaded a save and deconstructed it in orbit

[rigid bramble]

this bit xD

[umbral meteor]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/aai-vehicles-ironclad

[woeful geyser]

Yeah. Btw those rates include productivity bonuses as well. It's really convenient

[woeful geyser]

I'm still debating on if it's better to use a fluid bus, or to just cast everything and bus the products... perhaps a mix

Run a bus of plates... and then a pipe to cast some items

[solid pollen]

is a fluid bus better through-put?

[umbral meteor]

apparently pipes has no transfer limits

but pumps do, and you need to insert pumps regularly as to not over extend a pipe network.

but... if say a pump has a max speed of 1200, and you put 5 of them side by side... suddenly you have 6000

gives me flashbacks to the old "pump stations" we used to set up on the pipes xD

https://i.sstatic.net/Abbxj.jpg

and because pipes in 2.0 have no flow limit, this is actually viable again, for massive throughput/range xD

downside is that your pipe will be essentially one way, so you can't backflow.

so for backflow purposes you would need to add a return pipe

[solid pollen]

you dont need no backflow on a bus baybee!

[umbral meteor]

if your bus so happen to go past an oil field, and you want to feed the earlier machines xD

for example

😝

[solid pollen]

well thats just poor planning and you deserve to suffer

[woeful geyser]

My nauvis base has red circuit backflow

[solid pollen]

ewww

[woeful geyser]

I NEEDED MORE CIRCUITS

[solid pollen]

NO EXCUSES

you make me sick

you deserve constant annoying biter expansions

and having to remake the same thing over and over

[woeful geyser]

I have a wall

[umbral meteor]

the spaghet i've made because of that xD

[solid pollen]

I would prefer spaghet over backflow

[woeful geyser]

I hope the oil you have is the last

[solid pollen]

ive already found another

gg ez no re

[woeful geyser]

Smh

[umbral meteor]

sends in a swarm of Demolishers

[solid pollen]

the first bridge over water I make im naming Roadtrains home

[woeful geyser]

[solid pollen]

and the second is MY home KEKW

[woeful geyser]

[umbral meteor]

so that's really a bridge over troubled water then xD

[solid pollen]

that and trolls live under bridges

so they dont burst into cheeto dust in contact with sunlight

[umbral meteor]

sends Troll Hunters

[woeful geyser]

Ehhh I'll easily be able to redo at least part of my base. I'm starting to think that 1-4-1 fluid trains are a bit overkill though

[solid pollen]

I just do 1-2

[woeful geyser]

Yeah I'll probably switch to 1-2-1

[solid pollen]

since thats 4 tanks

[hearty meteor]

Yeah, you don't need two locomotives on a train

[umbral meteor]

ALL my trains are 1-4-1 xD

[solid pollen]

ewwwww 2 way trains are gross

[umbral meteor]

one way mind you

[hearty meteor]

I quite like how Aavak did 2-8 trains, though

[woeful geyser]

I used to agree but loops are silly

[solid pollen]

having to design rails going both ways is silly

[hearty meteor]

And the proper way too; RHD ;P

[woeful geyser]

Correct

[woeful geyser]

It makes stations very compact

[hearty meteor]

Though some people are militant about either RHD or LHD

[umbral meteor]

<- Engine and direction
¤ wagon

<-¤¤¤¤<-

[solid pollen]

ehh i just call it gross for memes, either is fine tbh

[hearty meteor]

May I introduce you to sidings? Or whatever it's called

[woeful geyser]

Now that's just heresy

[solid pollen]

and i just like doing the opposite of RT

[woeful geyser]

That's correct

[woeful geyser]

LHD for you then

[solid pollen]

I hope you accidentally aggro a demolisher and your base gets trashed

[woeful geyser]

Yeah but you'll need a loop

[woeful geyser]

I can kill them.

[hearty meteor]

Just make your base a massive city block design and it's no problem

[solid pollen]

i hope a demolisher gets aggro'd while you are elsewhere

[woeful geyser]

Not how that works

[solid pollen]

i hope it happens anyway

just to troll you

[woeful geyser]

[solid pollen]

[umbral meteor]

Pentapods however.....

[woeful geyser]

Ew

[woeful geyser]

That's why I don't want to go Gleba

[solid pollen]

real question though, is the corect strat just to power 4 nuclear and then attrack the 4-5 nearest demolishers and make them hit it together and instantly clear a huge bit ofland

[hearty meteor]

That sounds very efficient
Try it!

[woeful geyser]

Demolishers won't chase you far out of their territory

[solid pollen]

ahhh

sadge

I was just picturing someone collecting dozens of demolishers to crash the game KEKW

[woeful geyser]

@bitter lark ||Gleba allows you to make all of the oil products you need from the stuff you grow, bypassing the need to do any oil||

[bitter lark]

Yeah. I gathered as such.

Yay for ||Natural oil remedies||

[woeful geyser]

Which means that Gleba is the only planet you can start on other than Nauvis.

Which annoys me no end

[bitter lark]

I'd apologize, but no.

[hearty meteor]

Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness!!! ;P

[bitter lark]

Well, it's also Roadtrain, so yeknow.

❤️

[woeful geyser]

SIGH

[solid pollen]

PROGRESS. also.... it feels like it takes me a week to do the progress of a day for you guys because I cant play for long. im so SAD

2 oil bitch RoadTrain

[woeful geyser]

Your wall appears incomplete

[solid pollen]

yeah I ran out

im on my way back with the rest of the supplies but i ran outta time 😦

[woeful geyser]

No ammo train that automatically shows up when you build a station?

[solid pollen]

rails havent extended there

[woeful geyser]

L

[solid pollen]

please remember i get like an hour or two a day at most

i still havent even started Base 2.0

[woeful geyser]

Please remember I'm being sarcastic 90% of the time

[solid pollen]

please remember im just as much a troll as you

[woeful geyser]

[solid pollen]

at least i am nearly done now, just gotta secure that iron patch and im like 99% of the way to starting my 2.0, which means i can prepare to leave planet

live long and suck my dick bitches im outta here (to VULCANus)

[woeful geyser]

I deeply regret not just living with the bootstrap

[solid pollen]

i regret turning off my old base as soon as i did

had to set up disgusting boostrap for solar panels explosive cannon shells and the like

it'll be worth it when i dont need to replace this base till much MUCH later

[woeful geyser]

(You'll want to the moment you return from Vulcanus)

[solid pollen]

nah gettting extra from the vulcanus stuff doesnt really matter if you dont actually need the extra stuff

at worst its just replacing my smelter areas right?

[woeful geyser]

And rethinking your main bus

[solid pollen]

IF i want to use the volcanus stuff... but from what ive seen its kinda optional

and doesnt it need resources FROM vulcanus?

[woeful geyser]

It goes further: the buildings need to be MADE there

[solid pollen]

yeah. pass

ill just wait till ive visited them all then decide what i want to replace and do it all at once

[woeful geyser]

You're gonna be shipping back science. Why not bring some goodies along

And 50% productivity is nothing to scoff at

[solid pollen]

that sounds nice, doesnt sound like something worth rebuilding a big section of the base though

[rigid bramble]

we can rebuild if we want to, we can leave our friends behind....

you can always use the new places as a source of the materials they specialise in

also going back to the topic in glade, you don't need oil per se, just the plastic and sulphur, and then the lubricant later

and the rocket fuel

[woeful geyser]

Yeah how do you plan to make rocket fuel without light oil

[rigid bramble]

that would be telling

but you have access to the factoriopedia

[woeful geyser]

Yeah on Gleba it's possible like I established.

[rigid bramble]

so you just need the intermediates that oil can make

[solid pollen]

zangiry, im a silly twat, what time tomorrow is server launching? ive already forgotten twice

ive scrolled up but couldnt find it because me and RoadTrain talk too much shite

[hearty meteor]

I'm assuming it launches at around 54:87 CEST

[solid pollen]

54:87? I didnt realise there were more than 54 hours in a day

[woeful geyser]

[solid pollen]

[rigid bramble]

oh I forgot flamer fuel and turrets need oil, hmm

[solid pollen]

you happy now you gaint asshat baby @woeful geyser

[woeful geyser]

Ok now how about the other sides

[solid pollen]

fuck you

just.... eat a dick

ILL DO IT TOMORROW

oh i found 2 3k oils down there though

so thats nice

but still... just stub your toe every day please

[rigid bramble]

just got to Fulgora and ship barrels of heavy oil through space

save all the nauvis crude for flamer fuel

[pliant crystal]

Why save, when you can GROW?

Need oil. GROW.

Need Iron? GROW MOAR.

Need something to do while you wait for research? GROOOOOOOOOOW

[rigid bramble]

because you can't make flamer fuel out of anything else xD

[pliant crystal]

Make it out of the oil you get by GROWING!

Not enough oil in your borders. Grow your borders.

Every problem in your factory can be fixed by applying MOAR FACTORY.

[woeful geyser]

@pliant crystal how is Gleba so far

[pliant crystal]

Super loving it.

VERY different though.

[rigid bramble]

did you make friends with Nurgle yet?

[pliant crystal]

But I'm... eh, can't decide if this is dumb or not, but I'm trying to restrict myself from just solving everything buy ferrying stuff from Nauvis.

[woeful geyser]

I'm gonna restrain myself. I won't look. Apart from preamble.

[woeful geyser]

Your 1 puny rocket silo will make that a slog

[pliant crystal]

I mean, yes, I /could/ just bring over all the gear I need on the Prydwen, it's more than capable of doing the trip as often as I need. But it's fun discovering all the new stuff.

[rigid bramble]

I feel at one point you are going to have to embrace the interplanet logistics

[pliant crystal]

That's the thing though Road Train, I don't need to barrel raw materials, I can just send over whole constructed facilities, I don't need much at all.

The basics are super easy to make on site, it's more the stuff that need lots of circuits that sting, but I can just send those things themselves over. A single stack would be more than enough.

[rigid bramble]

I went the route of 'everything but the kitchen sink'
...and we can always go back for the kitchen sink

[pliant crystal]

I suspect so Duffel, I saw that Agri science spoils, so likely once I'm ready to start industrialising it, that's when I'll need to set up a dedicated fast transport.

[woeful geyser]

When I went Vulcanus I brought over 1 ship of starter supplies, a second ship with some stuff I forgot (power poles...) and then a few small trips to help me build some of the new goodies before starting native production

[pliant crystal]

I'm not trying for any specific challenge or anything, if I need something and it'll be a ball-ache to do it on site, I'll just send it over, but it's more I'm just trying to 'embrace' the challange rather than stubbornly smash my face into a wall because I love misery.

I mean, I'll totally punish chat for being trolls, sure, but there's a line in the sand, too.

[woeful geyser]

I don't see a reason to force yourself to not use the stuff you have on Nauvis.

[pliant crystal]

Fun.

Where there's a fun puzzle to solve, I'll have fun solving it.

If it's not a fun puzzle, I won't bother.

Solving the mysteries of spoilage using circuits is a fun puzzle.

[rigid bramble]

I may have sent over enough stuff to get off Gleba 10 times...

[woeful geyser]

And I agree. Personally the fun is in figuring out the recipe chains and designing the factory. So for me, sending over stuff from Nauvis gets me to the 'fun' faster

[rigid bramble]

but I will need to automate the making of rocket parts

[pliant crystal]

That's entirely fair. Please don't interpret anything I say as "You're being a pussy if you don't struggle like I am"

[woeful geyser]

I didn't. I'm just explaining how I view bringing stuff from Nauvis

[pliant crystal]

You can be whatever you want. Dick, pussy, asshole. I fully support you!

[woeful geyser]

[umbral meteor]

🤣

[woeful geyser]

Anyway today on the menu is probably shortening my trains and converting the rest of them to use the new Vulcanus goodies. Then? Making a ship to go to Fulgora

And seeing what kind of hell I'm gonna get into over there

[rigid bramble]

Gleba when

[woeful geyser]

No? XD

[rigid bramble]

yesss

[umbral meteor]

Forward Planning

[solid pollen]

I left at the perfect time to not get spoilers for Gleba.... but if Aavak streams im not sure I have the self restraint to not watch stream

[umbral meteor]

xD

[umbral meteor]

[solid pollen]

such a bittersweet feeling

also whenever someone says dick pussy asshole it immediately reminds me of TEAM 'MERICA... FUCK YEAH

[umbral meteor]

'Merica, FUCK YEAH!

[solid pollen]

your right it needs that '

[umbral meteor]

xD

[rigid bramble]

but I thought you quit space age Zang xD

[umbral meteor]

there is still Vanilla 2.0 xD

with elevated rails and quality xD

[rigid bramble]

but spaaaaaace

[umbral meteor]

Quality is actually my main issue,
i feel like i need to have a handle on it before having the "pressure" to go to space.

[rigid bramble]

I think you can easily ignore quality

[umbral meteor]

too much new things at once = ADHD "Yeah, i don't know where to start, so i'll just give up before trying"

[hearty meteor]

Shortening trains? What heresy is this?

[woeful geyser]

I do not need 4 liquid wagons

[hearty meteor]

Yes, you do

In fact, you should go 8 liquid wagons

[woeful geyser]

Pfffff

Perhaps when I start grinding quality

[umbral meteor]

true heresy would be to pave the world in concrete and roboports, and let the bots do all your bidding xD

[hearty meteor]

How is letting my minions do the work they were designed for heresy?

https://tenor.com/view/peach-goma-peach-angry-gif-15120619926817308584

[rigid bramble]

when your Gleba factory can make more power than Nauvis

[solid pollen]

poop power is strong

[rigid bramble]

you may think the biochamber was the Gleba unlock...

[umbral meteor]

Dapperlings Community Factorio Server(s) not running atm

[solid pollen]

sweet. ill be on for a bit once ive eaten my dinner

[woeful geyser]

... why are the inserters not putting stuff into the hub... can they not insert anything into the cargo bays?!

[rigid bramble]

not the cargo bays, no

and not a hub that is planetside either it seems

[solid pollen]

I join the server and there is not a single other person here

[woeful geyser]

I feel like that's a bug tbh.

[umbral meteor]

it were actually specified that you could not insert into the bays/extensions,
as a way to block people just making one massive "chest" covering an entire base.

[solid pollen]

so you are saying the CARGO bays cant store things? that seems a lil sus

[rigid bramble]

you're supposed to use the hub as your logistics

[solid pollen]

but a hub isnt a bay of cargo

[rigid bramble]

it moves things into the cargo bays, ready to launch, or recieve

they are not logistics chests

[solid pollen]

but but.... CARGO

the NOMENCLATURE!

[rigid bramble]

yes cargo, distribution no

like a shuttle bay, its for shuttles to go in and out

[umbral meteor]

sure they can, you just can't insert into them, or out of them.
you have to sue the hub xD

use*

[solid pollen]

this is what happens when you allow space unions!

[rigid bramble]

sue the hub

[solid pollen]

goddamn hippies

[rigid bramble]

but its a bay not a chest

[solid pollen]

CARGO BAY literally means a storage area

im not arguing about game mechanics

im arguing about the naming choice

[rigid bramble]

but what is the nomenculture of bay

[solid pollen]

a dock

of STORAGE

[rigid bramble]

you can put a dock on a river.... :p

[solid pollen]

talking to you makes me feel like i am taking crazy pills

and thus i will now insult RoadTrain for being a bitch

[rigid bramble]

its a game, and a game has rules, and the rule is no inserters on cargo bays

[solid pollen]

I was never arguing that part ><

i said that

just the NAME

the NAMEEEEEEEEE

[woeful geyser]

It'd be real nice if this info was readily available in the game.

[umbral meteor]

iirc it were addressed in an FFF

or by Exterminator

or both

[rigid bramble]

or alternitively, now you know xD

I'm not sure I trust the FFFs now we've got a hands on version

though Roadtrain, you know it highlights a building when an inserter can interact with it, right?

[woeful geyser]

I just expected it to work... this means I have to redo my platform... ugh

[umbral meteor]

and yes, this is where they talked about it,
specifically iirc about the platform/ship.

else people would just make one massive "chest" and it would be easy mode

i assume there will be a mod, if it doesn't already exist to mitigate that xD

[woeful geyser]

It should say it in the tooltip

[umbral meteor]

"That is not a bug. We intentonally decided only hub can be interacted with by inserters as otherwise the spaghetti would be absolutely replaced with cargo bay item teleportation from anywhere to anywhere as long you build machines next to them and interact only with cargo bays."

[woeful geyser]

Regardless. Half done with converting my base to use foundries rather than smelters

[rigid bramble]

wowowowow a medium stomper just fucked all my shit up

it says it by the fact the inserter does not highlight it as an interactable object

[woeful geyser]

It's easy to miss

[umbral meteor]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/wellbeing?from=updated

xD

you know the game is addicting when someone feel the need to make a mod like this

[woeful geyser]

This should not exist. It actively detracts from time spent growing the factory

[umbral meteor]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Toxic_biters

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/a_lot_of_cargo_pads

[umbral meteor]

i needed more than 1200 water, soooo

3600 it is

3 offshore pumps at the source

this actually works now due to fluids 2.0

[solid pollen]

good job pumpin' it

[umbral meteor]

MALL up and running 😄

actually using a very old design

KOS 0.15 Mall, which with some slight modifications still works great 😄

[rigid bramble]

Roadtrain, I got your defence for Gleba
untested, but it should kill one enemy before they destroy all the turrets

[umbral meteor]

Need Moar DAKKA!

[hearty meteor]

The best defence is a good offence

[rigid bramble]

that will spit out 1292 shots in 3s

[woeful geyser]

I think making the lanes wider instead of longer would be more effective also don't the missile launching ones not just out range that

[rigid bramble]

I don't have missile turrets yet, and neither will you, sooooo

note the "should kill one enemy" though
this is a targeted defence

though maybe I need to spread it a bit

but I'd have to make sure all the turrets can hit the same spot

[woeful geyser]

You see this is why I'm going Fulgora first. So i get an alternative to the rockets

[rigid bramble]

but how fast and how damaging is the tesla?

120 @ 0.5/s
compared to 240 @ 1.55/s

[umbral meteor]

eeep, suddenly power issues, that crept up on me xD

new line installed, now 400 Steam engines xD

i have now actually maxed one offshore pump using steam power xD

1:200:400 xD

[rigid bramble]

So when Bentham says circuits, does he mean turning something on and off with a single input, turning something on and off with a combined input, or making a system to evenly load and unload a train?
or something even more heavyweight

[umbral meteor]

or are they green, red, blue xD

[rigid bramble]

what, the ores or the signals? or the cables?

the chips?

red green and blue
karma karma karma karma chameleon

[pliant crystal]

Hopped on the community server, saw there wasn't much there yet (someone had helpfully set up steam and left a few goodies in an iron chest) so I threw up a temporary iron & copper smelter and starter bus, and queued up some research.

[rigid bramble]

Ah I'm too busy trying to beat the expansion at least once myself

But I do have a train on Gleba

[umbral meteor]

trains you say?

[rigid bramble]

but can they into space

[umbral meteor]

LDS next, after some sleep

[rigid bramble]

oh no, I can't leave Tank-chan on this god forsaken... I mean lovely garden of Nurgle

[rigid bramble]

I am escaping Gleba...
Attempting to escape Gleba...

... I left myself on Gleba >.<

[indigo gust]

I'm also bogged down in the swamps on Gleba - went there to keep up with Aaavak so I can watch future streams without spoiling the game content for myself- I clearly did not think that through, as on Gleba the game content spoils itself

[umbral meteor]

Spoilage!

[rigid bramble]

Gleba is love, Gleba is life (literally)

[woeful geyser]

Duffel out here slowly going insane

[rigid bramble]

I did not strand myself on Gleba, you did

remember Nurgle is all about death and rebirth, not just the nasty things to get you to death

also jokes on you, rocket turrets use rocket launchers to craft xD

[solid pollen]

that was me! Nobody else was on and I dont get a lot of time to play so I got people who came after me a basic set up and some research done! 😄

[woeful geyser]

Oh god that's happened to me several times

[woeful geyser]

Your 529 rocket launchers finally gonna pay off

[umbral meteor]

i'm kinda struggling with 400 Steam Engines, when my base actually activates xD

goes way above 360 MW

😝

and i haven't built LDS or a rocket yet

[woeful geyser]

Guess someone is rushing solar/nuclear

[umbral meteor]

my original plan were to do LDS, but i think Solar will be next xD

[woeful geyser]

Which planet are you planning to go to?

[umbral meteor]

none for now xD

[indigo gust]

I keep finding new ways of producing spoilage

[solid pollen]

is that.... good?

[indigo gust]

not really - my spaget is spoiling

[rigid bramble]

then start the spoilage chains

spawn life anew

[solid pollen]

might I recommend cooking less pasta?

I found where all my Oil was hidden KEKW

[umbral meteor]

and i have 3 iron, 3 copper, 2 oil, 2 coal and one uranium, inside my borders

[solid pollen]

no stone?

[woeful geyser]

It look like your eastern wall could've been a lot shorter if you had pushed it a little further given how the chokepoint has formed.

Also walking back my claim that 1-4-1 fluid trains weren't gonna be big enough. I should've tested with a not yet half depleted patch. Just gotta switch over copper... and maybe upgrade my oil trains to be just as long... but my oil trains just don't need it. Which is annoying

[umbral meteor]

Yep, but i didn't know that at the time, only time and radars uncovered it later xD

[woeful geyser]

Fair

[umbral meteor]

also... here's the full view xD

wonder where my steam engines are located xD

[rigid bramble]

the 'I'm not making purple science' train

[hearty meteor]

Now you just need to put that car on a belt

[umbral meteor]

xD

[rigid bramble]

no belts on oil sands, so no :p

[solid pollen]

just have an inserter inside the car pushing forward and then reverse. easy

[hearty meteor]

I can literally see the belts in the image XD

[rigid bramble]

this is the depot on solid ground

if I could load it on oil sands I would just use trains xD

spoiler ||Fulgora is kinda one of the reasons you need Elevated rails, since you can't build normally o oils sands - you need some support||

[umbral meteor]

this is also a thing

[rigid bramble]

that one isn't needed, just gives you more options

[umbral meteor]

Solar is being built

time for me to set up my SOlar build train xD

[woeful geyser]

But... you already have rush to space.

[rigid bramble]

so, nothing says I have to research purple xD

apart from getting to Aquilo

you know, Bentham having kittens about Aavak leaving without doing purple and yellow science makes me want to see how far I can push it

[woeful geyser]

Well unless you plan to never automate Fulgora

[rigid bramble]

I just need enough science to get to Aquilo xD

[woeful geyser]

Okay but if you wanted to really do a challenge you could do a no military science run

Because it's technically possible. Roboport creep!

[solid pollen]

just summon a wave of disposible derps to kamakaze and melee the nests

[woeful geyser]

We summon you and tell you there's oil behind the nests

[indigo gust]

Never have I been this worried about spoiled eggs...

[woeful geyser]

[solid pollen]

yeah that would get me going for sure

[woeful geyser]

[woeful geyser]

Hey at least oil isn't a problem on any of the other planets

Apart from Aquilo

[rigid bramble]

I am happy playing how I play
If you want to do no Military science... well I think you'll struggle to get off Nauvis

[solid pollen]

well its not a problem for me now either. 5 patches found total now, 2 hooked up, 3rd gets hooked up when i get on and start southern wall

[solid pollen]

he never said biters had to be on

[umbral meteor]

hmmm, i left the gamer running while visiting my parents for dinner

they are still not done building my solar array i queued up xD