Factorio | Dapper Dell | Page 4

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 12:19 PM

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Yeah spidertron has that.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 12:19 PM

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Cars on belts best mall

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:21 PM

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nah, its the train tanker fuel bus

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(though what you need more than 3600 of any fluid a second for I've no idea)

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 12:22 PM

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best mall is no belts trains only

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non moving trains*

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 12:22 PM

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rigid bramble (though what you need more than 3600 of any fluid a second for I've no idea)

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/pneumatic-transport

Factorio Mod Portal

Pneumatic Transport - Factorio Mods

Removes all belts and adds pneumatic in/out stations (with built in inserters) that convert any/all items into fluid-like states for transport through pipes.

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 12:22 PM

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molten iron is a thing

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:22 PM

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no belt challenge

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 12:23 PM

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I think DocJade played through Pneumatic Transport

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:23 PM

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you say that, but that doesn't answer my question xD

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 12:24 PM

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Megabase?

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:26 PM

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pineapple

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I need to wait for Aavak to teach us all about interrupts, then Roadtrain won't eat me (or let me spoil)

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I'm at the part where he is setting up pumps on trains

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 12:28 PM

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Aren't you nearly at the end then.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:29 PM

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32 minutes left

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 12:29 PM

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Yeah uhhh he doesn't go into interrupts in the first stream

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:29 PM

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but he said here he might stream it xD

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 12:29 PM

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i missed the last few hours of stream sadly, would be good if interrupts are the beginning of the next stream

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he said that yesterday 😛

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:30 PM

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and you know Aavak will tell us exactly how they work (once he works that out naturally)

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 12:30 PM

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and Aavak runs on Aavak time with 48h sleep cycles

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:30 PM

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more like 48minute naps

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 12:30 PM

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XD

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:30 PM

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iirc he doesn't like pretending to be dead

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 12:30 PM

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48 minute nap every 24 hours with a 4.8h nap every 4 days

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I mean I think he just lowkey forgets sleep and food exist as a concept for large stretches of time

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 12:33 PM

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Would've been nice to have a new Aavak, Arumba, ASteejo run. But at least Steejo can't commit to doing YT stuff that way, for financial reasons, and I think I heard Arumba mostly does streaming to a degree?

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:33 PM

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you're probably best asking him yourself tbf
but me personally I don't see the point of lying down in a dark room doing nothing for 8hrs

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 12:34 PM

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well my deep depression and anxiety disagree! 😛

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:34 PM

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Arumba last streamed Heartstone 8 months ago xD
as mentioned in the first stream
though seems Steejo did a solo stream after

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 12:34 PM

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rigid bramble you're probably best asking him yourself tbf but me personally I don't see the p...

It's not doing nothing, it's defragging

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:34 PM

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pretending to be dead

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 12:34 PM

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rigid bramble Arumba last streamed Heartstone 8 months ago xD as mentioned in the first stream...

He did. Got some cash from it too

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:35 PM

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anyway, factorio
the factory must grow, ergo you can not sleep

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 12:35 PM

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Let the factory grow while you sleep?

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 12:35 PM

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this is why I cant wait for the multiplayer server

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i can SLEEP and the factory will still grow

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:36 PM

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NO
SLEEP
Till Aquillo

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 12:39 PM

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Probably nowhere near enough circuits but it's a start.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 12:40 PM

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Double it

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At least double the greens

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 12:40 PM

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I don't have the copper for that...

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 12:40 PM

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Gotta get enough green in your diet

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:41 PM

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needs more Dublin

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 12:41 PM

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Like that's already nearly a red belt. Unless I miscalculated.

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But I have to go get a haircut so factory growing will resume later.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 12:41 PM

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I do really like that it tells you on the machine how much it needs for how much output

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I can math out that I need 8 red circuit machines for 10 blue science pack machines

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and that Sulphur overproduces by a metric butt load

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 12:53 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqgJlt49Qz0

YouTube

Antipatience

I 100%'d Factorio in the worst way I could imagine

#Factorio #Speedrun #Challenge #allachievements #100percent #burners

So I've never unlocked every achievement before. Let's do it all in a single run, except we'll make it worse. I can't use electricity when there's a burner option available. Purely vanilla (no mods) since I'll be submitting the next run to the speedrun boards :)

Enjoy!

Wat...

▶ Play video

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xD

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Well then...

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i haven't even looked at it, and i can feeel the pain

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that being said, i assume this is 1.1.x

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or vanilla 2.0

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 12:56 PM

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umbral meteor that being said, i assume this is 1.1.x

This is right before 2.0

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 12:57 PM

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rigid bramble I do really like that it tells you on the machine how much it needs for how much...

Yes that's how I figured out it's a 1:2 ratio from solid fuel to rocket fuel

maiden yacht Oct 23, 2024, 1:01 PM

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If I havent played since 2021 should I redo the tutorial? Has a lot changed

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 1:02 PM

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I think the tutorial is the same as it was in Alpha 0.15

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its more of a mini campaign

maiden yacht Oct 23, 2024, 1:03 PM

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Ahh

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Have any mechanics changed a lot?

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 1:04 PM

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I mean you could run through it, get used to how it all works like

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 1:04 PM

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maiden yacht Have any mechanics changed a lot?

You have to research steam power

maiden yacht Oct 23, 2024, 1:04 PM

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Ahh okay

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 1:05 PM

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I can't recall ever touching the tutorial

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:05 PM

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Don't think a lot changed since 2021, no

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Unless you mean with Space Age, but then again I don't think the "tutorial" will help with that

maiden yacht Oct 23, 2024, 1:06 PM

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Oh no

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I suppose I'll just jump in and google what I need to

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:08 PM

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Well, I guess I'm a bit wrong; 2.0 changes some things in small ways. But the basics are essentially the same. There is no filter inserter any more, every inserter can filter (even burner inserters, AFAIK)

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 1:10 PM

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Also. Lots of QoL

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:10 PM

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There are no QoL in Ba Sing Se

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 1:10 PM

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I'd say a good 30% of the update is QoL

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Actually 90% is QoL. Because 2.0 is mainly QoL and a few new things. Space Age however...

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:12 PM

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What new things are there in 2.0? I thought it was basically just fixing and QoL'ing stuff already there

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 1:13 PM

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hearty meteor What new things are there in 2.0? I thought it was basically just fixing and QoL...

Display Panels? The new combinator?

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I think those are 2.0

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 1:13 PM

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how long do you have xD

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:13 PM

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hearty meteor Unless you mean with Space Age, but then again I don't think the "tutorial" will...

didn't they recently remake the tutorial?

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 1:13 PM

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hearty meteor There are no QoL in Ba Sing Se

I thought there was no WAR in Ba Sing Se?

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:13 PM

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i seem to remember an FFF about that

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:14 PM

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Yeah, the new combinator is in 2.0, I think. Not sure I know what display panels are, but good shout, I think

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:14 PM

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sure, it's mot 2.0 but i assume it's for 1.0

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 1:14 PM

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recently as 0.15 xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 1:14 PM

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hearty meteor Yeah, the new combinator is in 2.0, I think. Not sure I know what display panels...

They're text plates but better

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:14 PM

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Sweet

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 1:14 PM

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maybe it got touched since then actually

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 1:15 PM

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Not like Nixie Tubes though. You'll see.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:15 PM

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I actually never played with Nixie Tubes

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 1:16 PM

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You'll see when you get circuit network.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:17 PM

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I think it'll be a while. I'm busy with Timberborn for now. And watching some streams, I guess

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:17 PM

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it seems the "tips and tricks" has essentially replaced the TUtorial, as people tend not to play the Tutorial xD

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and then they complain that they are stuck xD

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:17 PM

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People, amirite?

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:18 PM

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and here i just fumbled my way through 0.11/012

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don't actually remember which version it were xD

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i got Factorio when it first released on Steam, i do believe it were 0.12

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but it may have been 0.11

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 1:22 PM

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I think i had factorio when you still needed mods for train stuff

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 1:54 PM

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solid pollen I think i had factorio when you still needed mods for train stuff

As in what mods

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 1:54 PM

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The train mod

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I'm guessing

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:06 PM

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probably that one, it was for automatic train stuff. the one that got absorbed into the game

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:08 PM

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Haircut done... now time to get the rest of this base built. Next on the list... engines, electric engines, and flying robot frames.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:09 PM

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frying robot frames

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you need to get into space

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:09 PM

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For me to into space I need a base that can make me things I need once in space.

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Right now my base is nowhere near capable of that.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:10 PM

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nah, freeplatform it

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:10 PM

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My old base didn't even make acid/blue circuits.

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:10 PM

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once you get a rocket for you to get into space, immediately de-construct your entire nauvis base.

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do it! you wont 😛

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:11 PM

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solid pollen once you get a rocket for you to get into space, immediately de-construct your e...

My starter base? Sure.

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:11 PM

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ALL your bases

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:11 PM

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Yeah no.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:11 PM

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you don't plan on doing science?

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or smelting ore?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:12 PM

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rigid bramble or smelting ore?

I already built smelting/refining. Science is last in the chain.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:12 PM

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do electric furnaces work in space?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:12 PM

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I think so yes.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:12 PM

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no pressure requirement?

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you notice the trains have a gravity requirement

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:13 PM

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No pressure for electric furnaces.

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Stone/steel do have one. So you HAVE to have electric smelting in space.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:13 PM

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why do you have to?

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wait actually let me see space platforms first

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:14 PM

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rigid bramble why do you have to?

... because other forms of smelting do not work

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How do you plan to make boolet with ore

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:17 PM

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Laaaasers

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Like I say, that is something I want to see for my self

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:17 PM

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Yeah. But. you asked.

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And as such I am allowed to answer.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:18 PM

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And then I said wait xD
But point taken

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Though I may need to SSD my install, it takes a hot moment to load

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Or can I preload sprites and things?

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:32 PM

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da fuck is this noise

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im dry as FRICK here

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:33 PM

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LMFAO still no oil? That's very unlucky

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:34 PM

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Didn't RT also have difficulties finding oil?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:34 PM

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Not really...

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:34 PM

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its the other side of that sea

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:35 PM

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Someone had problems finding oil

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:35 PM

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It was a little bit of a drive but I have oil spots nearby.

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Yeah it's Magi

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:35 PM

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I feel they have pushed out the oil drops, and reduced the other ores

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:35 PM

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As for your oil? I hope it's south west.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:35 PM

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but nudged a uranium closer to spawn

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:36 PM

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its always me

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my last THREE runs, have had no oil in non train distance

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and usually right by big ass bases

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I had to fricken BARREL OIL, to get tanks to get rid of the bases to secure my oil reserves in my ribbon run

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:37 PM

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oh I think in SA the intention is you having to train in oil

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:37 PM

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yeah but this is a little absurd right

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:38 PM

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this is what I got

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I think Aavak lucked out though

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:38 PM

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Man lots of you got desert spawns didn't you.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:38 PM

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I just went in, no preview

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got jealous of Aavak and his forrests

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:39 PM

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i want to be clear, duffel Ive walked like 10x the distance away from my base than your oil

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:39 PM

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woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:39 PM

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solid pollen i want to be clear, duffel Ive walked like 10x the distance away from my base th...

Wait. YOU'RE WALKING?

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My dude build a fucking car LOL

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:39 PM

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your oil is NE, you need to get a boat

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:40 PM

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i meant walking metaphorically

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XD

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:41 PM

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also Radars much? xD

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:41 PM

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although i lost my car to a rock field so now im walking back

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ive got 8 radars

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they already went full radar length and im now skirting the edge of that

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:41 PM

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Can never have too many radars

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:41 PM

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so you turned them off?

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:41 PM

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hell no

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i love me radars

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prevent expansion bastards

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:41 PM

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your map doesn't show them xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:41 PM

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hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:41 PM

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And now they don't have more of an impact with several radars overlapping either

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:42 PM

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woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:42 PM

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(why yes my radars are top power consumers)

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:42 PM

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only got them in 2 spots right now for covering entrances

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because i hadnt needed to explore till now

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:42 PM

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you might wanna throw one on the NE coast

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:42 PM

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Why tho

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:42 PM

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yeah im guessing i might need to automate landfill KEKW

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:42 PM

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I think his oil is south west.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:42 PM

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to see across the sea

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:43 PM

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are we fucking placing bets now on where my first oil is 😛

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:43 PM

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the NE coast is much closer to the base though xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:43 PM

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We don't know how much water there's between him and the next land mass

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:43 PM

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well ima keep exploring till i accidentally die since im walking now then build radars NE

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:43 PM

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so you can put one there, and then explore the SE, SW, NW

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:44 PM

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solid pollen are we fucking placing bets now on where my first oil is 😛

In the black ;P

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:44 PM

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...

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:44 PM

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I'm not technically wrong, am I?

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:44 PM

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oh SHIT

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RT got it

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my radar just revealed the EDGE of oil

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hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:45 PM

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So you got edged?

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:45 PM

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but what if its in the NE as well

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:45 PM

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just spotted it placing betting tags XD

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:45 PM

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Gotta go around that wide lake for it

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:46 PM

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you need a boat, motherfudgecake

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:46 PM

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nah ill just landfill the world

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:46 PM

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you seen the AAI Ironclad?

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https://mods.factorio.com/mod/aai-vehicles-ironclad?from=updated

Factorio Mod Portal

AAI Vehicles: Ironclad - Factorio Mods

A heavy metal-plated boat armed with a long range mortar and cannon. Can use mortar and tank ammo.

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I am surprised they didn't try to get it in SA

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:47 PM

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woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:48 PM

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solid pollen

what's the yield.

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:48 PM

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"The Fountain Of Eternal RoadTrain"

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1.6k

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:48 PM

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1600% only?

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:48 PM

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hey look, the Ironclad is ready for 2.0

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:48 PM

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OH MY GOD YOU GOT SCAMMED

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:48 PM

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1.364%*

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so yeah

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:48 PM

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boatboatboatboat

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:48 PM

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fuck me, but also. at least i can actually start blue

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:48 PM

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you'll have to prod your oil wells

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wait, question, can we make fish? to get a legendary fish?

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:49 PM

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the oil field is literally invisible because of SHRUBBERY!

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:49 PM

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Speed is considered better than prod for oil wells

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:49 PM

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rigid bramble wait, question, can we make fish? to get a legendary fish?

Yes.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:49 PM

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make fish, gotcha

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prod means you get more bang for your buck

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:49 PM

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Maybe you should use quality modules in your oil well? ;P

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:49 PM

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No points for guessing which planet allows it.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:50 PM

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rigid bramble prod means you get more bang for your buck

Oil doesn't run out, so speed is better

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:50 PM

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legendary oil

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:50 PM

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actually a fairly clean no biter path to get to my oil

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now to make lots of solar panels to power it

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rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:50 PM

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do I want to quality my oil? xD

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 2:50 PM

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if you make it too good, america will declare war to steal it

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:50 PM

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Speed ends up giving more oil per time than prod mods do.

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Also; I believe fluids can't be quality'd

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:51 PM

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you can put quality mods in the oil pump

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:51 PM

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Maybe? But I believe it won't do anything

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:51 PM

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in fact I think they can go in everything but beacons, per the FFF about them

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but its like you can't put a prod in things it doesn't work with

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even though the slowing effect might possibly be nice

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see, you can't prod grenades

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well I will make some quality modules and see what they do in a pumpjack, see if it just breaks it

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 2:53 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775

Tenor

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:54 PM

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but I need more oil so I've had a sudden need.... a need for speed

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zoom zoom motherfudger

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:56 PM

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There. Chips, engines, frames, robits.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 2:56 PM

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now for quality modules, in everything

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 2:56 PM

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Yeah no

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Though... I do have to actually make modules. Mhm.

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But uhhh yeah time to slam down all of my science builds + the 2 new ones... Then create a perimeter defense system...

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And make all of the power.

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And then... I can look up.

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I've never gotten much further than this even in 1.1 factorio. Never launched a rocket, I just kinda gave up after I got bots.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 3:00 PM

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woeful geyser There. Chips, engines, frames, robits.

Yay, rowboats

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:01 PM

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you need some legendary copper wire

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:03 PM

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Okay... that's everything built... science time!

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I'm probably shoving my science above the bus for now.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:05 PM

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opinion, legendary, speed, or prod the science packs?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:05 PM

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I have no clue what legendary science packs do.

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I only have quality 1 and am not planning to mess with quality for a WHILE

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:06 PM

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bio packs spoil slower? xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:06 PM

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They got a spoil time of like an hour?

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:06 PM

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legendary ones spoil in two hours... idk

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:07 PM

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I'm more thinking you can get more out of them. Innate research pack drain.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:07 PM

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but I need to work out how to sort out random different rarities

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:08 PM

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Do you want the answer.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:08 PM

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for science pack rarity?

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the latter is something I just need to sit down and look at

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:08 PM

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rigid bramble but I need to work out how to sort out random different rarities

For this because it is insanely easy and I don't want you to struggle with that.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:08 PM

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I want to discover, so no, no answer

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:09 PM

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A hint?

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:09 PM

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no

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please

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:09 PM

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Fair enough.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 3:10 PM

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I was going to joke that one should use "quantity" modules, but that's just prod modules, isn't it?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:10 PM

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Yep.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:10 PM

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god modules... xD

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so still prod the science packs then?

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 3:11 PM

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Yeah, you should use those

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:11 PM

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I'll see what pops up when I research quality

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 3:11 PM

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Would've been good to have god modules in base factorio XD

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:12 PM

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only, if you can put them in non-prodables

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otherwise they are a bit limited

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though technically quality modules could be better than gods

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what the what, biters in the middle of my base

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ha, that iron chests have a gravity requirement

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ok so the help bit doesn't list research packs as just having more health

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:30 PM

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rigid bramble ha, that iron chests have a gravity requirement

That's not exclusive to iron chests

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 3:31 PM

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Gun turret: "I don't need no gravity!"

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:31 PM

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I know, I was just looking at iron chests... for reasons

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also I need to make capacitors instead of making steam buffers

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:33 PM

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Speaking of...

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I should not forget about the fact I'm gonna need a stupid amount of steam engines.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:34 PM

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turbinesss

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not solar?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:34 PM

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Eh... I could try my hand at a solar grid but...

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:35 PM

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solar carry
also why I want to use bullets and not lasers xD

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I need to do solid fuel

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:37 PM

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I just need 4 more science builds (military/chemical/production/utility) and then make a mall for my goodies...

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:37 PM

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do you really need purple though xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:37 PM

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Then do power... and defenses... and only then turn it on.

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I might as well set it up.

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Btw I've only used half of the space I allocated for my base up to now (excluding smelting/refining). And it's just the science builds then the mall.

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Thinking about it... I should probably put my mall up top and just have science at the end of the bus...

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Or below science production.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:41 PM

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say, did pumpjacks have innate prod in 1.1?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:42 PM

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No. But they benefit from mining productivity.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:44 PM

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ah that

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well its sorta maybe innate

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also who wants an aneurysm

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:50 PM

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You shouldn't need multiple pumps.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:50 PM

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would you not want the pipe to be empty super quick?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:51 PM

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Pumps have a pumping speed of 1.2k/sec

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:51 PM

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but still, if that is your sushi pipe...

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:52 PM

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it takes 5 seconds for advanced oil to process. Which dumps around 120 fluid into the system

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1 pump could handle about 50 refineries.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:52 PM

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it has to empty each fluid seperatly, surely?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:53 PM

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rigid bramble it has to empty each fluid seperatly, surely?

Yes but it can do so in fractions of a second.

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Fluids got reworked remember.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:53 PM

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yeah which is why a sushi pipe can work now

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its not like pumps take much power though

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:54 PM

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But, you do you. I gotta fix up my factory.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:54 PM

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I'm not going to sushi pipe my oil

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:54 PM

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rigid bramble yeah which is why a sushi pipe can work now

They should remove the failsafe. Or at least, let us 'force' build it even if normally it would mix.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:55 PM

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do the old trick of not setting a recipe

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I've mixed pipes in seablock, and got really confused why it stopped

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:55 PM

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Also, it seems ghost building will just 'work'.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:56 PM

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for mixed pipes?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:56 PM

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yes I tried to put a ghost pipe between my heavy oil/light oil and it works (did it via map view)

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 3:57 PM

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side side note, I don't extract enough oil to use 3 pumps a wagon

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 3:57 PM

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FACTORIO DEVS

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WHY

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THIS IS NOT OKAY

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:01 PM

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whut

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 4:02 PM

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they moved where the chests are in the GUI they used to be below the normal chests.

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I'm pretty sure at least.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:03 PM

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maybe its been shimmied up to allow the new stuff to fit in

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 4:03 PM

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Probably given the rocket etc moved into the space catagory

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:06 PM

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rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:06 PM

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you don't need Uranium for space science now?

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Zangiry, can you do... both?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 4:07 PM

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rigid bramble Zangiry, can you do... both?

read

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:3

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Personally, as a DLC owner I don't see the need... but well. That's me being biased.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:08 PM

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my question still stands :p

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 4:08 PM

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rigid bramble my question still stands :p

Again. Read. He's literally asking if he should do both.

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:08 PM

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^

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:08 PM

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yeah well, english is hard, what do you want from me 😮

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:08 PM

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you ARE english, i am not xD

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:09 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/umm-surprised-awkward-uncomfortable-nervous-gif-744822327069673415

Tenor

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:10 PM

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but yes, once i get my hands on Space Age myself i WILL set up a Dapperlings Factorio Space Age Server,
my question is if i should also cater to people who wants to play with the community but don't have the DLC, for any reason.

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as it IS $/€ 40

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 4:11 PM

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umbral meteor as it IS $/€ 40

Wait the price went up again?

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:12 PM

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I feel like rather than having people vote you would be better finding out how many people want to play on the server, and then how many WONT have it

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:12 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

Tenor

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:12 PM

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its $30, or £30

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:12 PM

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is an option xD

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:13 PM

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or was it 35 dollar, bleh

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:13 PM

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well, it says 400 NOK, so you are probably right with the current economy xD

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:13 PM

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its deffo £30

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:13 PM

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30 squids for us

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 4:13 PM

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God I hate how they made us automate nades instead of shotgun shells...

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:14 PM

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nades are easy

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just coal and iron

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:14 PM

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but euro is better than the pound question mark

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:14 PM

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would you rather have gun turrets again?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 4:14 PM

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solid pollen just coal and iron

Yeah but it means coal on my bus.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:14 PM

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how else do you do military science O.o

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:14 PM

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ignore him, hes crazy

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he just doesnt want 1 extra line on his bus

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:15 PM

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400 NOK -> $36.33

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according to xe.com

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:16 PM

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do i actually need to research defender/follower robot shit now?

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did they make it not a total waste

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 4:16 PM

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Y'know what fuck it shared sulfur/coal belt.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:16 PM

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rip exhancge rates

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:16 PM

#

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:16 PM

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rip GBP

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:16 PM

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why not just belt the coal, and make sulphur where you need it

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feel like you are overcomplicating this

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:17 PM

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^

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 4:17 PM

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Because then I need to bring 2 more fluids?

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Right now I only have acid and lube.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:17 PM

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wait, are you only just doing mil science, for the first time since idk, 0.12 O.o

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:17 PM

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...

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:17 PM

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which are easier now with the new fluid mechanics

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 4:17 PM

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rigid bramble wait, are you only just doing mil science, for the first time since idk, 0.12 O....

No did it before

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:17 PM

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my bus always has water and the 3 oils on it

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:18 PM

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mine has lube and acid xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 4:18 PM

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It's just I kinda should've put my mil science earlier along the bus to avoid this scenario...

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:18 PM

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I always run coal to my military science, cus that and plastic are pretty much all you use it for

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:18 PM

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when in doubt

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 4:18 PM

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Anyway dinner is here

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:18 PM

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SPAGHETTI

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:18 PM

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SPAGHET!

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https://tenor.com/view/national-spaghetti-day-national-spaghetti-day-hungry-gif-7317183

Tenor

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:19 PM

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TAGLIETTELI

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:19 PM

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which reminds me
explosions

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:19 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/spaghetti-charlie-iasip-spaghettipolicy-gif-5351707

Tenor

spaghetti policy

▶ Play video

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:20 PM

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anyways, time for food (and meds....)

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woof_shrug

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:20 PM

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enjoy the food and dont choke on the meds

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:20 PM

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woof_is_fine

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i were wondering where all those dog emotes came from

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👀

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Erin

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:23 PM

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but now to crack or to make solid fuel

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:23 PM

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crack the solid fuel

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:25 PM

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wait why can I quality module the pumpjack, but not the oil refinery

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quality gives you more uses per science pack

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 4:35 PM

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solid pollen TAGLIETTELI

I appreciate you

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 4:37 PM

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hearty meteor I appreciate you

No u 😄

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 4:46 PM

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heres an idea, legendary trees

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:00 PM

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mfw I realize I had intended to put robot frames on the bus ever so briefly... only to then not leave enough space as I go build science. fuck

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Fuck it they'll just go above the bus

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:28 PM

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it's time to refactory the factory

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Evil

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:28 PM

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I'm not rebuilding the entire thing just to fit in some extra lines.

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I have space up top so that'll just work.

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:32 PM

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@rigid bramblebtw....

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https://mods.factorio.com/mod/awesome-sink

Factorio Mod Portal

Awesome sink - Factorio Mods

Feed items inside and get a higher quality item every X items without random chance.

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Evil

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:33 PM

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pffffffff

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:35 PM

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i just hope these get updated to 2.0

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https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Mining_Drones

Factorio Mod Portal

Mining Drones - Factorio Mods

Adds mining drones and mining depots

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https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Transport_Drones

Factorio Mod Portal

Transport Drones - Factorio Mods

Adds transport drones and transport depots

pliant crystal Oct 23, 2024, 5:36 PM

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These mods. They smell of... COWARDICE! If you do not GRIND for the legendary, how will it know if you are WORTHY of it?!

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:37 PM

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one of the first mods i saw on the portal after the update xD

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top of the list

pliant crystal Oct 23, 2024, 5:37 PM

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(Jk, of course, enjoy the game however you want, the only right way to play a game, is the way that makes you happiest)

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:37 PM

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not like i'm playing anyways

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won't get Space Age for at least another week xD

pliant crystal Oct 23, 2024, 5:38 PM

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But sensible disclaimer aside, back to my regularly scheduled INDIGNATION!!!! COWARD MODS FOR GAMERS TOO AFRAID TO DISCOVER THEIR TRUE MEASURE!!!

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But yeah, sorry for the price being so rough over there.

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:39 PM

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By the way. Aavak how do you think interrupts work.

pliant crystal Oct 23, 2024, 5:39 PM

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NOK seems to have taken a spiked bat to the kneecaps lately :/

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:39 PM

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my plan is to finish vanilla, and then mod the ever *********** heck out of the game xD

pliant crystal Oct 23, 2024, 5:40 PM

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I noticed last time I came over that I got /way/ more NOK than I usually do during currency conversion.

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Used to it being like 1 to 10, but was something like 1 to 13.5 at the time.

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:40 PM

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yeah £28 now is 400 NOK

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 5:41 PM

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USD to NOK is 1:11.01 right now it seems

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:42 PM

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1 NOK = 0.09 USD

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 5:42 PM

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Yeh

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Friggin' brutal

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:43 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167527626743758858/1298681476941873243/Screenshot_20241023_181618_Xe.png?ex=671a72e0&is=67192160&hm=fac62bc8389c01c90431981413f6f0a513f80f5addedf626ae326788281fa6e0&

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this is actually a nice free app

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XE

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 5:44 PM

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I just google, and it has a pretty up to date rate

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:45 PM

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@pliant crystal look at the graph...

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that's quite the roller-coaster

pliant crystal Oct 23, 2024, 5:47 PM

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woeful geyser By the way. Aavak how do you *think* interrupts work.

I think it'll be a conditional that can dynamically add stops to a train's schedule if certain conditions are met, but that's all I can guess based on the name.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 5:47 PM

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yeah I'll pass on the awesome sink xD
though I'm sure its not that different in the grand scheme of things

pliant crystal Oct 23, 2024, 5:47 PM

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So, the schedule gets 'interrupted' with a new stop if, for example, the train's running low on fuel. That's what I'm hoping anyway.

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:48 PM

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it were more the name Duffel 😉

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:48 PM

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pliant crystal I think it'll be a conditional that can dynamically add stops to a train's sched...

PSA regarding interrupts: They'll only fire if a train is going somewhere already.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 5:48 PM

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I've been told something different, but I think i've said enough on that topic xD

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:48 PM

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first mod i see for factorio, top of the list... is named after Satisfactory xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:48 PM

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Doesn't necessarily mean it has to be moving, it just has to be 'enroute' to another destination.

pliant crystal Oct 23, 2024, 5:48 PM

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Oh, interesting, thanks I'll keep that in mind.

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:50 PM

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You can't use an interrupt to start a journey, only to make a change to a journey that's already been started. At least that's how it is looking like. I'm sure I've missed edge cases or might just be wrong. In which case I'll be on another planet already.

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(well, not quite yet but soon™️)

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 5:52 PM

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I'm seeing ones with a single schedule for Depot, and then everything else is interrupts
almost like you need a 'home' at least

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:52 PM

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Yes.

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You can't interrupt a schedule that doesn't exist.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 5:53 PM

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but to me, one stop is still a schedule xD
thugh I think that might have been what I wasn't getting from what you were telling me

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but I'll check them out some other time

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:54 PM

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so what do we have scheduled? xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:54 PM

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rigid bramble but to me, one stop is still a schedule xD thugh I think that might have been wh...

One stop is a schedule yes. But again your usecase simply... doesn't work with interrupts from what I can tell. Anyway time for me to cry about copper as I make LDS.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 5:55 PM

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I was given this picture

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:55 PM

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😮

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YOU CAN COPY THE INGREDIENTS OF A RECIPE FROM A MACHINE TO AN INSERTER 😮

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:55 PM

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didn't that work in 1.1?

pliant crystal Oct 23, 2024, 5:55 PM

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Yup.

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:56 PM

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ofc, with a filter inserter

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but still

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:56 PM

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God I am so bad at remembering these things

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 5:57 PM

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I can't say I've ever done that 😮

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with all the filter inserters I used in Seablock

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:59 PM

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Okay...

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:59 PM

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and roof is falling on Zang's head

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:59 PM

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Main portion of the base is done.

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 5:59 PM

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or at least it sounds like it xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:59 PM

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it can do science. And make rockets. I think.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 5:59 PM

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I need some more get up and go, to go sort out explosives and everything nice

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 5:59 PM

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No power yet. No mall. Nothing of that.

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:00 PM

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time to find a HUGE coal patch and build 1600 Steam Engines xD

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😝

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:00 PM

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with steam buffers?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:00 PM

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Current base is looking like it wants to draw 70 MW...

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:01 PM

#

that were my backup power back in the day,
1600 Steaa, Engines, 8 blue belts of coal xD

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for my Mega Base

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:01 PM

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Actually I can't tell my max power draw...

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:01 PM

#

but why not turbines

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:01 PM

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because they cost more to build?

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:02 PM

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but you only need half as many

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:02 PM

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and back then they would actually produce less power

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:02 PM

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oh back in the day, sorry

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:03 PM

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yeah, when Steam were 100 C

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or whatever xD

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:03 PM

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I mean even in 1.1 you could use them to make the same power from a boiler (1 turbine to 2 steam engine)

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:03 PM

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it made no sense what so ever to use turbines

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yes, this were before 1.1, before 1.0 actually xD

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it's been a while since i've done a vanilla megabase.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:04 PM

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I wonder how it works with 2.0

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:04 PM

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i've mostly played around with modded after 1.0

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:05 PM

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I mean what is a megabase. Is it measured in SPM?

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Because then honestly I think new megabases will be smaller.

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Cause all of the new buildings with productivity.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:05 PM

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I think it's a megabase when other people agree it's a megabase XD

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:05 PM

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now its Legendary SPM xD

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:06 PM

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when you have 500 Beaconed Electric furnaces, and 100k+ bots for each material, i would say you are in megabase territory xD

Iron, Copper, Steel.
and then a similar one for Circuits, just using assemblers instead xD

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:07 PM

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I'm sure there will be mods that fix quality in a few ways ;P

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:07 PM

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Zangiry just posted one

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:07 PM

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xD

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rooBless1

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:08 PM

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but have you found your anti-spoilage mod xD

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:08 PM

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rigid bramble Zangiry just posted one

? I don't see anything to do with quality in what Zangiry posted? Can you point me to it?

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:08 PM

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it was the awesome sink

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:08 PM

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https://mods.factorio.com/mod/awesome-sink

Factorio Mod Portal

Awesome sink - Factorio Mods

Feed items inside and get a higher quality item every X items without random chance.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:08 PM

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put items in, get a rarer resouce out

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:09 PM

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Oh. Well, that's me just glossing over that because of the name XD

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Thanks

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:09 PM

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but you can balance that imo, to be just like base game

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:09 PM

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also, i have not looked for any anti spoil mod duffel.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:09 PM

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I might need to mod in unspoilable fish

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:09 PM

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i just linked that one because it were at the top of the list for most downloaded, AND it's name

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:10 PM

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yeah i see

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:10 PM

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well, let's see IF there is an anti spoil mod then

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HAH!

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same modder

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https://mods.factorio.com/mod/no-spoilage

Factorio Mod Portal

No spoilage - Factorio Mods

There is no spoilage in Ba Sing Se.

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now that IS funny xD

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:13 PM

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By the "Law of Large Numbers" any percentage changes becomes just ratios when you do it enough. I'm just of the opinion that since they were going on about Factorio being deterministic in a few FFFs then anything to do with probability doesn't belong in the game (though community mods can do whatever they want). I feel the same about nuclear processing.
If they wanted recycling to be an important part just make it so that most production steps make "waste" that has to be recycled.
But what's done is done and it is what it is. As long as people are having fun with it that's the most important part.

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:14 PM

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hmmmm, i really should chuck my entire Bob's Angels + AAI mod folder at 2.0 and see what happens xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:14 PM

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By the "Law of Large Numbers" any percentage changes becomes just ratios when you do it enough.
That's their reasoning for it being okay.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:15 PM

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no, no byproducts xD

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recycling has its place, just using it for quality is like a side use

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:15 PM

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it's just 185 files in the folder

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:16 PM

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woeful geyser > By the "Law of Large Numbers" any percentage changes becomes just ratios when ...

And my reasoning is that that's stupid; just make it a ratio to begin with then XD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:16 PM

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Okay... factory... done. Now... to build a mall... ugh.

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But first... probably power... a lot of power...

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:18 PM

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I was also hoping you could do SA without quality active

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:18 PM

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Technically you can just not use it.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:18 PM

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you can turn them off and on for 2.0, but SA has them as a dependancy

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:24 PM

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32 of 185 mods were updated xD

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:25 PM

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rigid bramble you can turn them off and on for 2.0, but SA has them as a dependancy

Yeah, but you don't have to use quality modules, AFAIK

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The recycler (which is part of quality, AFAIK) is the reason it's mandatory

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:26 PM

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well, so far I haven't needed them
and I've made a grand total of 1 uncommon prod 1

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it is needed for ||one planet|| Spoilers

umbral meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:28 PM

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Disco Science has updated to 2.0 btw

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😄

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:29 PM

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but but but what about disco lasers 😮

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I just hit the disable all mods button

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:33 PM

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They should've put the sciences in a circle around the labs instead of left justified

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:34 PM

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its only left cus of how many SA has now

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:35 PM

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I doubt that's the reason. Because whether it's centered or left justified doesn't change how it should end up when all are in there.
But I'm talking about a totally different way to visualize them

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:35 PM

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with all 12 is it now?
it'll fill up the same I'm sure

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there has always been two rows iirc

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:36 PM

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If they had it all in a circle around it wouldn't look as lopsided with only a few sciences, IMO. And starting with red at the bottom middle and going counter clockwise (or clockwise, I guess) could've been a nice visual

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:37 PM

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maybe it should fill out dynamically

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:37 PM

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It changed dynamically in 1.1

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:38 PM

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I feel with SA as a whole they had more important things to puzzle out xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:38 PM

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hearty meteor It changed dynamically in 1.1

I hope they bring that back.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:38 PM

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or maybe, it is a bug

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:38 PM

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I'm sure it's possible to do it with a mod

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:39 PM

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I just want a toggle for pipe visualiser

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:39 PM

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I very much doubt it's a bug, with all the people that played through it and that they haven't fixed it yet

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:39 PM

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you can only fix bugs if you a) know about them and b) can reproduce them xD

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report it and see if it comes back as NotABug

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:40 PM

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hearty meteor I very much doubt it's a *bug*, with all the people that played through it and t...

Or it might just be at the very bottom of the 'things to fix' list.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:41 PM

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They fixed the filter inserter (that doesn't exist any more) was in the technology tree visual...

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:42 PM

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there must be a reason the packs have a set slot on the visual
(like if you're missing green but you have military, it'll show a gap

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:44 PM

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Work in progress but: power

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:47 PM

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oh I've just had a thought, if a biter were to get in and destroy a nuclear reactor... that would make them on helluva hero biter

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:47 PM

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You think that'll be enough for a while?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:47 PM

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I hope so... at least until I figure out how to nuclear.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 6:47 PM

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Just use nuclear reactors as landmines for the biters

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:48 PM

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its just the idea that it knows its gonna die, but then so is your entire power grid

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:51 PM

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Okay... smelter/refining: Check. Production: Check. Power. Hopefully check. Time to do the thing I hate most: Setting up defenses.

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This is when I realize I should've had some jank production of turrets...

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:52 PM

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Biter gnawing on your coal mine: Check...

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:53 PM

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My coal mine is safe. For now. I just... ugh... I hate building defenses. It's just not my thing. Which is part of why I really want to leave nauvis.

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Because on every other planet apart from Gleba, I don't have to think about defenses.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:54 PM

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just follow Aavak's usual cluster defence, and plop them down all over

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:54 PM

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Those are temporary things I need a permanent solution.

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Something I can count on staying alive whilst I am not on the planet.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:54 PM

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they work fine if you swap the wooden chest for a blue one

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:55 PM

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rigid bramble they work fine if you swap the wooden chest for a blue one

Haahaha I am not setting up a roboport network that bg.

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big*

pliant crystal Oct 23, 2024, 6:55 PM

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yeah, that would be jank XD

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 6:55 PM

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coat half the surface of the planet in solar panels and accumulators and then use laser turrets?

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:55 PM

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lies, my usual artillery setup is four cannons around a chest xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 6:56 PM

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rigid bramble lies, my usual artillery setup is four cannons around a chest xD

But that's artillery

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I do have lots of solar space but I am not building any and ugh... Why does nauvis have to suck so much.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 6:56 PM

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or is that the turrets arn't 3x3 and it wouldn't be symmetrical xD

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but true, I'll need to think up a proper defence before I leave properly
one that won't die if my power dies for whatever reason - that one time was fun actually even though I almost lost my entire factory

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 7:00 PM

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woeful geyser Those are temporary things I need a permanent solution.

Nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:00 PM

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True. But I... I just really need to build permanent defenses and I just don't like setting it up. It's not fun for me.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 7:01 PM

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Try to outsource it? Get some intern to do it?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:01 PM

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hearty meteor Try to outsource it? Get some intern to do it?

Would you like to co-op for a bit dprTROLL

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 7:01 PM

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I don't have SA ;P

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:01 PM

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SMH

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 7:05 PM

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I would do it for you RoadTrain, but we've seen how I do with biters lol

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:07 PM

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I don't need you to go kill them though. Just need someone to take care of the logistics of setting up walls, putting down turrets, and feeding those turrets with ammo.

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It was also very much a joke in response to the outsourcing

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 7:09 PM

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My defenses have been "where have I been getting attacked from?" "Build defense there" that's not great though lol

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I knew, it's why I poked fun at my own expense lol

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:11 PM

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Eh. Time for another jank train I guess.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 7:14 PM

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one. giant. belt.

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what is jank about an ammo train?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:15 PM

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Can you see the problem (apart from the fact it's not connectedd to the network yet)

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 7:15 PM

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You're playing with fire there

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:21 PM

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Actually I have no loops in my system this should work...

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... Ah right I don't get blue chests until space.

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And I don't get space until I start my new base... which I can't do until I get this train set up. damn it.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 7:23 PM

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but you have a base

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 7:24 PM

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Me just rigging things along until I can get to space lol

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:24 PM

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Which doesn't make half the crap this train needs.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 7:24 PM

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bullets bots and walls, right?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:25 PM

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Roboports, repair packs, turrets, belts, pipes.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 7:25 PM

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well hopefully they don't reach your back line

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:25 PM

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I want it to be able to repair if an attack hits harder than anticipated

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 7:26 PM

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inb4 I suggest a mini base that just makes that, and turn the rest off while you're gone

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:26 PM

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Nah I got a dumber idea.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 7:26 PM

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and fill the minibase with green modules

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also, bobs adjustible inserters are 2.0 ready

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:32 PM

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My plan: Run the train down to military science where it can leech most of the things it needs after picking up oil, and then it can go refill outposts.

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And because it does that I need to make it go to a turnaround stop before letting it go refuel. Oh welp.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 7:52 PM

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woeful geyser Can you see the problem (apart from the fact it's not connectedd to the network ...

It has two locomotives working against each other? That looks like a problem, yeah

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:52 PM

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hearty meteor It has two locomotives working against each other? That looks like a problem, ye...

No the problem was that it had the potential risk of it getting turned around.

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 7:53 PM

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That sounds like a problem that comes from having locomotives both ways

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 7:59 PM

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BEHOLD: JANK

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 8:08 PM

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Oh Magi must hate me for how close my oil is lol

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:08 PM

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It's got worse!

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 8:10 PM

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I have a LOT of oil like right next to my base

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:13 PM

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... 3 patches? Holy shit.

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 8:13 PM

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1.3k, 2.2k, 1.8k

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I need to go take out those biter patches though

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:15 PM

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You're gonna have to build 2 very big walls.

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 8:15 PM

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And I'm also like, half tempted to centralize them, if I do get them all set up

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Oh for sure

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I have no idea what I'm doing though, I'm stuck on what I want to automate next, I just automated military science, but I should probably make a second set of ammo since it's all going to science production now DracLaughM

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:18 PM

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I need to fix oil, like yesterday

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:18 PM

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Jaxa, i dont mean to offend you, but please die

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:18 PM

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dprTROLL

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:18 PM

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i see where all my frickin oil went

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:18 PM

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Magi you just need an ironclad and go across the sea

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:19 PM

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ive got some now, 1.3k. but still. its way further away then seems fair

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:19 PM

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solid pollen i see where all my frickin oil went

Ngl you should consider going to Fulgora instead of Vulcanus as you can pump heavy oil straight from the lakes there!

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:19 PM

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you stuck a radar on the NE shoreline?

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:19 PM

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nah found one where RoadTrain said it would be

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:19 PM

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... oh right you didn't want spoilers oops

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:19 PM

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although i do plan to put radars on my NE just to see if theres one closer

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:20 PM

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but but but, more oil

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:20 PM

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thats fine RT, them by little spoilers

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yes

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which is why i will investigate 😄

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but i only play like 1-2 hours in a day at most

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:21 PM

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also I like that there are keybinds to play/pause music, and to skip track

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:21 PM

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WWait what

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:21 PM

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they are unbound by default

leaden mauve Oct 23, 2024, 8:21 PM

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woeful geyser BEHOLD: JANK

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?

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You were so excited to see that you could, you failed to consider whether you should.

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You may have doomed us all

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:22 PM

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I NEEDED A PLACE TO MAKE DEFENSES AND THIS WAS THE BEST FIT

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:22 PM

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woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:22 PM

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Look. Once my proper base turns on all of this is getting deconstructed.

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ohmahgaaaaahd @rigid bramble that's amazing

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:23 PM

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oh thats some excellent underground belt weaving

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:23 PM

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solid pollen oh thats some excellent underground belt weaving

This game makes me question if I have italian heritage because god damn can I spaghet.

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:24 PM

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you have to remember, the spaghet is inside us all

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:24 PM

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OI I'M NOT READY YET

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:24 PM

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especially for those of the pastafarian disposition

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thats a tiny base, just go kill it

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i just killed a 6 spawner 10 medium worm base with piercing rounds only

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well "just" being used loosely to mean earlier today to find my oil 😄

hearty meteor Oct 23, 2024, 8:25 PM

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Just look out for getting your tank stuck on cliffs

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:25 PM

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I need to make explosives

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:25 PM

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would it even matter?

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so can we get explosive cannon shells, but not cliff explosives on nauvis?

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that seems.... an interesting choice

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:26 PM

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you gotta live within your means

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:26 PM

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clearly they need to make cannon shells unlockable on volcanus instead

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hell maybe make tanks require vulcanus mats

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then unnerf them

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:27 PM

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you know they increased firing range, right?

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 8:28 PM

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solid pollen Jaxa, i dont mean to offend you, but please die

You can come have some lol

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:29 PM

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also tanks are plenty powerful, what do you mean 'un-nerf'

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:34 PM

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you cant use tanks to run over nests anymore in late game

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since nests get gigatanky

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:34 PM

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I think you can do a pretty decent job at it

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:34 PM

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thats a big nerf to my power fantasy

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:35 PM

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One of my robits died when I took on a bigger nest... 😦

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 8:36 PM

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I'm probably going to unlock defenders before I go out to fight the bugs again

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Hopefully they help me with my problem area lol

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:38 PM

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ohmygod the sound robots make when u pick them from inventory is SO FUCKING CUTE

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:41 PM

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electric furnace, or keep going with fuel blocks?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:41 PM

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Electric.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:42 PM

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but I'm supposed to be using my light oil

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:45 PM

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rocket fuel and napalm

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(as in lobbing it at the biters)

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:45 PM

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isn't crude or heavy better for flamethrowers?

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 8:45 PM

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I thought light was best

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:46 PM

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well I'm not there so light oil is jamming the works

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:46 PM

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sounds like you need to be cracking more light oil then

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:47 PM

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hang about though, why don@ just defend my oil, with oil

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 8:47 PM

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I approve of this idea

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If you have as much as me, do it

solid pollen Oct 23, 2024, 8:47 PM

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if you use enough oil at once you can get rid of all the oxygen on the planet and the bugs will all die off

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or wait to use biochemical warfare as you enter orbit with your rocket

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:52 PM

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though I need to math out my cracking, and my fuel consumption

silk void Oct 23, 2024, 8:52 PM

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Do I want to crack oil and transport the product, or just oil. It's really close after all lol

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The biggest oil patch is right next to water, conveniently

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 8:56 PM

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so dare I ask about quality modules, as I'm getting rare red circuits 😮

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 9:26 PM

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rigid bramble isn't crude or heavy better for flamethrowers?

light is better than crude that's for sure

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 9:27 PM

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crude might have been just that it requires no processing

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also combat shotgun is fire

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 9:27 PM

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combat shotgun is in fact amazing

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 9:28 PM

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I need to try and get a rare one

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oh hey, fuel blocks have a tint variance

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 9:34 PM

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One down... so many more to go...

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Also: MY JANK TRAIN WORKS AND IT MAKES ME HAPPY

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It's slow as fuck BUT I DO NOT CARE IT WILL ONLY EXIST FOR LIKE A DAY

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 9:44 PM

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Tank chan hype

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 9:44 PM

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Tank chan is in fact amazing

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Anyway. Plan for tomorrow: Fix the west/north east perimeter (As in, make one). Then? Turn on the new factory, probably make a mall... and go to spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace

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She's sleebin'.

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Don't mind the north east biters those are pending extermination. Also yes I am absolutely going to drill all of that oil and immediately shove it into flamers.

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 9:57 PM

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and my power is the correct shade of hell

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 9:57 PM

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rigid bramble and my power is the correct shade of hell

Imma need the RGB for that

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 9:57 PM

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its just all red xD

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 9:58 PM

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255/0/0?

rigid bramble Oct 23, 2024, 9:58 PM

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yeah

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though all blue is a bit dark

woeful geyser Oct 23, 2024, 10:02 PM

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I see. I'm just. Super excited to finally go to space... though uhhh bit of advice don't rebuild until you went to space because you can just make a platform... I forgot this

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It's done now though.

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Am I going to be the first dapperling who can into space?

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 12:13 AM

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I mean Bentham is a dapperling, technically

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 1:36 AM

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silk void Oct 24, 2024, 5:18 AM

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Small victory, but I managed to kill a pair of bases without losing my car/myself lol

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 8:01 AM

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so Aavak started streaming like half an hour after I went to sleep huh. DAMNIT

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this is RoadTrains fault

safe rampart Oct 24, 2024, 9:14 AM

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woeful geyser Am I going to be the first dapperling who can into space?

i got into space after 10 hours

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fulgora looks good from my point of view

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 12:46 PM

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https://factorio.com/galaxy

Factorio

Galaxy Of Fame | Factorio

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 12:47 PM

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Found bentham

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Wait... everyone who finishes gets added here? 😮

safe rampart Oct 24, 2024, 12:50 PM

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i am giving it a guess and say that it is probably opt in

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 12:51 PM

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Anyway. Factory is now fully operational again. Until my copper dies again... sigh. ANYWAY. Time to FINALLY restart doing science. And also... IT IS TIME. AT LONG LAST. TO GO. TO SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 1:05 PM

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I, too, am assuming it's opt-in

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 1:29 PM

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That should be power for a while... gave it a train stop with 100 priority to basically ensure that if it needs coal, a train WILL show up to give it coal

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:07 PM

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@pliant crystal Figured you'd appreciate my chosen storage method for the silo.

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dprTROLL

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:26 PM

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Red chests? You monster

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:33 PM

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Iron Chest

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Evil

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:33 PM

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Yeah, who uses anything other than wooden chests?

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:33 PM

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😝

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wooden has it's uses, Iron is just a waste of materials xD

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:37 PM

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Pretty sure I made thoe iron chests because I desperately needed storage and had no steel or wood on me.

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:37 PM

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Interestingly enough, even though I haven't bought the expansion I can download mods that need the expansion stuff. I would've thought they'd try to restrict it to people that shows up to their system as having the expansion in their account.

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Through the website, to be clear

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:37 PM

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yes you can, BUT the mods have dependencies to the DLC

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:38 PM

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hearty meteor Through the website, to be clear

I don't think they can check that because then you'd need a connection to steam

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:38 PM

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so you can't run the game with them enabled

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even through the ingame browser you can install mods that require the DLC, but you can't enable them without having the DLC

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:39 PM

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woeful geyser I don't think they can check that because then you'd need a connection to steam

You have to be logged into your Factorio account to download from the website, which you either got through buying the game through their site or letting Steam tell them that you have the game. Requires a one-time check.

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:39 PM

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umbral meteor yes you can, BUT the mods have dependencies to the DLC

Yeah, but what if I had gotten the expansion exe and such through less than legal means?
I would've though they'd try to at least make it a little less easy. Don't know how it works in-game, though.

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I just thought it was interesting

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:40 PM

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there is no stopping that

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:41 PM

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They don't allow people to download mods through their website or in-game mod portal without being logged in and being verified as having bought the game, AFAIK

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:41 PM

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but you are right, having the game legally only enables you to update mods ingame.
does not disable mods or anything if you do not

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you may not be able to play multiplayer though

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i think that requires a valid "login"

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either through ingame or steam

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yeah, pretty sure it does

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so you wil be able to play single player, both modded and vanilla

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as long as you can get your hands on the mods

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:44 PM

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On the other hand, letting people think they can get away with it and then slapping them with the consequences later when they can't try to talk themselves out of it could be a reasonable way to go about it. So revoking their access when they've got enough evidence they "privateered" the expansion could make sense. Although I'm not even sure Wube would bother that much with it. They did make quite a lot of money these last few days XD

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 2:44 PM

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successful oil securing!!

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:44 PM

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it's like a non invasive DRM

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:45 PM

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Yeah gonna probably end up going over my alotted space but not by much

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But also IT'S ALIVEEEEEE

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:45 PM

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They've always gone for the "make it easier to get mods and such if people legitimately bought it" approach

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:45 PM

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"you steal our game, okay, play as much as you want, but you can only ever play alone" xD

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:46 PM

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My old base meanwhile is looking very very sad.

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:46 PM

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I'm thinking it's probably possible to play multiplayer otherwise, but I really haven't looked into it since I have no need to

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:46 PM

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which reminds me... I need to re-set up my military train... or I have to put my old base on life support.

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and I'd just... rather not...

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:47 PM

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I mean, you can try not to and then curse violently 15 hours down the line when your Nauvis base is getting torn apart while you're on Fulgora or something like that

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:48 PM

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True but. I am not leaving without that train set up again.

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I know I'll have to. Doesn't make me wanna do it any more.

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But... to do it properly. I need to go to space.

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Cause I want a botmall xD

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:50 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/space-tim-curry-gif-7935778

Tenor

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:50 PM

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hearty meteor I mean, you can try not to and then curse violently 15 hours down the line when ...

No you CAN actually.
when hosting a server, you can select (or remove) "verify user identity"
and as long as you only select LAN for hosting, you do not require a valid login

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:50 PM

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That smile and struggle not to laugh is great

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:51 PM

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It's also looking like I'm gonna have to expand my territory again because need more copper... but hey at least I can just make it an outpost and not move my wall again

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:51 PM

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Always move your walls. Keep your pollution cloud in-house

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:51 PM

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No thanks.

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:52 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

Tenor

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:52 PM

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* biter attacks coming hot and fast in 13 hours *

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:52 PM

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I have no reason to move my walls. I have enough space. I just needed to secure choke points.

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:52 PM

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PAVE THE WORLD!

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:52 PM

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hearty meteor \* biter attacks coming hot and fast in 13 hours \*

It'll reach critical mass and if I can keep those at bay? Then I'm golden.

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:52 PM

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Behemoth spitters with range higher than turrets, right?

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:53 PM

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hearty meteor Behemoth spitters with range higher than turrets, right?

The rocket turret in question:

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:53 PM

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hahaha

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With nuclear rockets, right?

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:53 PM

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NEVERMIND THAT'S GLEBANOPE

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 2:55 PM

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The North Eastern Radar net looking for oil is online. if its just out of vision im killing Jaxa

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:56 PM

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Why make it a conditional? Just do it! tm

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 2:56 PM

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well he isnt RoadTrain, so i dont mind giving him a chance at survival

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 2:56 PM

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on the topic of mods for expansions you don't own
that is usually how it happens, the onus is on you to make sure you get the right mods for your version of the game

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:56 PM

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just researched power armour mk2

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 2:57 PM

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though typically you want to make a mod that works on the base game, so the most people can use it

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:58 PM

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rigid bramble on the topic of mods for expansions you don't own that is usually how it happens...

My point was that they restricted the ability to download the mods through their site to people with an account that has a verified purchase of the base game, but don't restrict the ability to download the mods that require Space Age or such in the same way. Just a bit interesting, mostly.

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 2:59 PM

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woeful geyser *just researched power armour mk2*

Now just to produce the ingredients for it

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 2:59 PM

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seems a lot of work, considering you could just get around that by installing mods manually

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 2:59 PM

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hearty meteor Now just to produce the ingredients for it

Done. Just gotta make it... and that's not on top of list of things to do

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 3:00 PM

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imo, the mod manager lets you do it easier rather than smarter - you can still kitbash mods together if they have conflicts outside of the game

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 3:00 PM

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rigid bramble seems a lot of work, considering you could just get around that by installing mo...

They already did "a lot of work" considering people could get around it by installing mods manually for the base game

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And I'm talking about the website, not in-game

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 3:01 PM

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though to download a mod you just need an account right, you don't need to prove you own the game?

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 3:06 PM

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afaik

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because you can host a dedicated server without owning the game

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 3:07 PM

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I was under the impression you needed to prove you owned the game. But I may be wrong on that part

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Makes sense with what Zang is saying, though

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If that's so then it's not really any different than it was before, and it's not really that interesting

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 3:09 PM

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it seems that unless server owner enables the "verify user" (on by default), anyone can join a server, as long as they have the same game version as the server uses.
regardless if they own the game legally or not

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 3:09 PM

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And the server synchronizes mods with the client, so the client could get the mods that way, have I got that right?

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 3:10 PM

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no, server lists the dependencies for the mods

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client downloads them automaticly from the "mod browser"

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unless they are already installed

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so an illegal client will not be able to join a modded server, unless they already manually got the mods

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 3:12 PM

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Sounds like a reasonable way to go about it. Although offloading the mod downloads to the servers could make sense in a way. But doing it all through the same interface is cleaner in a way

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 3:12 PM

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but if say server owner posts a "modpack" zip file for people to download

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which we have done before, but that were before it synced with the "save"

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 3:13 PM

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modpack zip files are also great to make sure all the mods are at a supported version. Some mods can break a modpack when they update. Not usually, but it's possible

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 3:14 PM

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yup

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 4:16 PM

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Oh my...

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 4:24 PM

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now that's quite a large erection you have there RoadTrain xD

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 4:24 PM

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Is that a rocket in your pocket or are you just excited to see us...

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 4:28 PM

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hell ye

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ROADTRAIN HAS INTO SPACE

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 4:31 PM

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Yay space science

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 4:33 PM

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Red Dwarf reference will always be pog

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 4:57 PM

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The southern edge of my continent is almost perfect, the left side leads to water only

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 4:58 PM

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It stinks and they don't like it

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 4:58 PM

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Except that little land bridge

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 4:59 PM

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That land bridge by the right bottom visible? A great place for many turrets

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Put them in a semicircle centered on the northern edge of the bridge

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 5:02 PM

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It also depends on how prevalent enemies are further east whether that bridge makes a difference. Also all of my expansion efforts need to go west... All that copper, iron, and oil

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 5:02 PM

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🎶 Go west ... 🎵

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It's also generally good to expand in just one direction, AFAIK

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 5:15 PM

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By expansion I mean trains more than anything my bus is going south

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 5:18 PM

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Time to start city blocks with trains, right?

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 5:27 PM

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Also I just had a random base spawn right across the lake from the steam generators, like literally a stone's skip across, how rude. Thankfully no worms spawned from it.

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 5:29 PM

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You should send them an eviction notice

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 5:29 PM

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Already did

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That's how I knew they had no worms, cause they thought

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 5:49 PM

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just remember that bases that cant get to you are free pollution absorbers

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and they make GREAT target practice for when you get artillery

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 5:52 PM

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Rockets are cheap...

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I have into space'd. Now to figure out how space works...

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 5:58 PM

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Space is big. You won't believe just how mind-numbingly big.

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 6:02 PM

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Do not make this mistake that Ayka did https://www.twitch.tv/ayka/clip/CuriousSmoggyDovePastaThat-st6cu6Bjixg16lJ_

Twitch

Ayka - Oh No. Maiden Voyage

Watch Ayka's clip titled "Oh No. Maiden Voyage"

pliant crystal Oct 24, 2024, 6:04 PM

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Oops XD

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 6:05 PM

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silk void Do not make this mistake that Ayka did https://www.twitch.tv/ayka/clip/CuriousSm...

Oh I'm not flying anywhere anytime soon. I've got space science to do

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 6:07 PM

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Why would they use lasers?

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 6:10 PM

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Idk lol

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 6:10 PM

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Hoping to cheat the ammo requirements?

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 6:13 PM

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I mean, it would probably work if they had more POWAH

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 6:14 PM

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But yeah I need to get space science started... it's actually very easy it seems like

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Though uhhh... I suggest not using the automatic requests at the start. Because it's just not needed

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 6:42 PM

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it's looking like Jaxa gets to live another day

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 6:47 PM

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Darn XD

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 6:50 PM

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What happened? Lol

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 6:50 PM

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and with my additional exploration since. still not found a second patch of oil 😛

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 6:50 PM

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I like how I'm your bane apparently xD

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 6:50 PM

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if I found Oil north east i was going to kill you

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 6:50 PM

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its ok, I found yet another two patches

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 6:50 PM

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....

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https://tenor.com/view/crazy-die-on-fire-elmo-flames-gif-17266822

Tenor

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 6:50 PM

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I'm afraid to explore more lest I find more oil and raise your ire further KEKWlaugh

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 6:51 PM

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i mean you have like 4-5 patches already

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you cant make it any worse

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 6:51 PM

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Only 3

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 6:51 PM

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Oil? I got tons of it. I need to hook up my second patch though (and get more trains running)

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 6:51 PM

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I tell you, its across the sea, you just need a boat

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 6:51 PM

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thats already almost full radar range of water

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I cant even make a wooden raft

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 6:51 PM

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silk void

3 cuddling patches up here for me, RoadTrain lol

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 6:52 PM

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i only get to play so little but im sure ill find more COPIUM

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 6:54 PM

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I play in bursts cause I'm stuck on how to proceed with what I want without making it to to messt

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I need to automate rail stuff, but then I need to decide where I want to put the railway stuff to bring in ores and oil and yadda yadda.

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I'm also struggling with ore patches that are just bad

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 7:20 PM

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ah I need to set up good ammo with room for expansion, and then push the wall

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and then concrete in all its flavours

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then its time to start the space age proper

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 7:22 PM

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as in everything my advice is ALWAYS "do it badly, then do it less badly, then do it better"

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it done badly but it kinda works is better then stressing and never doing it 😄

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 7:23 PM

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I need this ammo to be sound

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 7:23 PM

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so just make some tagliatelle

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why need ammo for flamethrower walls?

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 7:23 PM

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you, talking about using oil? xD

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 7:24 PM

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my defenses will be made from flamethrowers or NOT AT ALL

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i will pipe it across the fuckin universe

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 7:24 PM

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best get across that sea and the oil

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 7:25 PM

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ive got 1.3k, wont even use 1% of that to support my throwers

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 7:25 PM

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rigid bramble I need this ammo to be sound

Sound ammo? We got a new turret? Cool

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 7:25 PM

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wubwubwubwubwub

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 7:25 PM

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Saints row had a dubstep gun, I remember

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 7:30 PM

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so do Noise Marines, essentially

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 7:30 PM

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First thing I'll unlock is flamethrower turrets

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 7:32 PM

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Weirdly enough I've almost never used flamethrower turrets

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 7:34 PM

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They're quite good but do benefit from gun turret backup

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 7:37 PM

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I could back it up with regular ammo with all that iron up by my oil

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 7:37 PM

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silk void I could back it up with regular ammo with all that iron up by my oil

Make an outpost supply train

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 7:38 PM

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I want to mess with trains as little as I can, they require to much brain lol

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 7:41 PM

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also honestly, nothing has really changed with PLDs
they're still effective

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 7:44 PM

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silk void I want to mess with trains as little as I can, they require to much brain lol

I can probably give you a simple blueprint for an outpost stop you can just slam down if you want.

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 7:54 PM

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i usually have electric turrets backing up my flamies when biters reach large/behemoth

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no need for messy ammunition transportation

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 7:55 PM

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My biters are all squishy right now

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 7:55 PM

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enjoy it while you can

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ive just started getting mediums and the nests hp is getting upsettingly bullet sponge

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 7:57 PM

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get some personal lasers, even the big biters fear those

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 8:00 PM

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i need to get blue started, only had time to set up oil rails, now I want to secure some land so expanding biters can fuck off, then ill start doing blue stuff

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anyone remember how far back you have to set turrets so large spitters cant hit them?

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 8:02 PM

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I need to get assemblers automated lol

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I need to get so much automated too proceed xD

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 8:03 PM

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yeah just get a MALL up and running

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A belt with iron and gears, and a belt with steel and green circuits will build you pretty much everything you need for a basic MALL

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 8:06 PM

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And use cars on belts to move everything around ;P

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 8:06 PM

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XD

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i think thats a little advanced for him right now, although its way more viable when every inserter is a filter inserter

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 8:09 PM

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solid pollen A belt with iron and gears, and a belt with steel and green circuits will build ...

I need better iron before I can do this, since I'm making it so late into my first little pile of mess.

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Stone coal and iron filtering from it is awful

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 8:09 PM

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solid pollen i think thats a little advanced for him right now, although its way more viable ...

I didn't use any filter inserters when making my cars on belts mall

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 8:10 PM

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I need to see if I can find my seed so I can show you it when I got it

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 8:12 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/548458694128435210/1124659180100407296/car_mall_working_loop_2.gif?ex=671b7d7b&is=671a2bfb&hm=9859ca92fe09943c672a386dfcc50e9840bdf9ed6bcb81d6bf6c6b777af8649d&=&width=1035&height=670

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How to have an easily expandable mall ;P

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 8:12 PM

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my god. its so beautiful

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 8:13 PM

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Thank you. Some people stare at it ||in horror||

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Snake

silk void Oct 24, 2024, 8:17 PM

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You need more red circuits lol

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That belt looks sad compared to the rest

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 8:18 PM

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silk void That belt looks sad compared to the rest

Indeed. It is Seablock, and an older screenshot. Here, some more: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/548458694128435210/1123947148623499294/car_mall_working_2.gif?ex=671b895a&is=671a37da&hm=a35df6576ef911a2d3844317717afcd47f42b65554b5e21937e66121388850e3&=&width=1062&height=618

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/548458694128435210/1123947149038723102/car_reload.gif?ex=671b895a&is=671a37da&hm=d7a7178b2c7fe5952b565844fb8998ebef2bb6fb368267da69c0b550cdce776e&=&width=841&height=501

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Since inserters only take what the assembler needs I didn't need to filter them. But each and every car has a filtered inventory so they don't fill up on one thing

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Also, Bobs adjustable inserters are powerful

rigid bramble Oct 24, 2024, 8:23 PM

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they're updated for 2.0 as well

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 8:25 PM

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hearty meteor Also, Bobs adjustable inserters are powerful

Broken in fact if you cheese them.

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 8:25 PM

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Using BAI is cheesing ;P

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 8:26 PM

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Can I just say that the recipe for making space science is disgustingly easy tho. Like... it's not even funny how easy it is. I just... need to figure out how to space platform

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 8:26 PM

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Make platform, shoot into sky

woeful geyser Oct 24, 2024, 8:26 PM

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I have into space'd.

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 8:27 PM

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Oh, how to space platform, I now see

umbral meteor Oct 24, 2024, 8:41 PM

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you platform into space, and then you space into platform? xD

solid pollen Oct 24, 2024, 8:55 PM

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hearty meteor Thank you. Some people stare at it ||in horror||

its like staring at an eldritch outer god. both love and horror combined together

hearty meteor Oct 24, 2024, 8:57 PM

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I kinda did it just for seeing how it would work. And I ended up actually quite liking it for the big modpacks with a lot of things. Vanilla Factorio has few enough things that it's not exactly hard to just use belts to get everything where it needs to go

solid pollen Oct 25, 2024, 10:22 AM

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over-extended you say?

woeful geyser Oct 25, 2024, 11:29 AM

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solid pollen over-extended you say?

Add a pump to fix

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This is to discourage mega pipes instead of trains

solid pollen Oct 25, 2024, 12:02 PM

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i reject that answer on principle of NO U

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its just a pipe for flamers anyway, doesnt need good throughput

woeful geyser Oct 25, 2024, 12:25 PM

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solid pollen its just a pipe for flamers anyway, doesnt need good throughput

No it NEEDS a pump

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Or it has no throughout

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Throughput

solid pollen Oct 25, 2024, 12:26 PM

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it has low throughput. but Oil has made its way to the flame turrets

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and since turrets dont need much oil it'll be fine

woeful geyser Oct 25, 2024, 12:28 PM

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But can you live with the permanent warning?

solid pollen Oct 25, 2024, 12:38 PM

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I think the red looks really nice, and ill have another one when i go on next since i still have to add another defensive wall to the western front

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can YOU live with it though KEKW

woeful geyser Oct 25, 2024, 12:52 PM

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Ngl am surprised it still feeds oil

solid pollen Oct 25, 2024, 12:53 PM

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well the oil is constantly getting pumped into the network with nowhere else to go

woeful geyser Oct 25, 2024, 12:53 PM

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FFF said over extending would shut down the pipe

solid pollen Oct 25, 2024, 1:05 PM

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ehh ill double check when I can get on next, but oil had got to the end of the line

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and ive already got power along the pipes so adding pumps is easy clap

rigid bramble Oct 25, 2024, 1:05 PM

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it needs a non-zero throughput though

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it might just be what was in the pipe before it reached maximum length

solid pollen Oct 25, 2024, 1:21 PM

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could be

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you are indeed correct, it just shuts down the pipes at the red line. Sadge

hearty meteor Oct 25, 2024, 3:02 PM

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rigid bramble Oct 25, 2024, 3:13 PM

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but what about space biters

umbral meteor Oct 25, 2024, 3:19 PM

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is this how you mine the asteroids? xD

hearty meteor Oct 25, 2024, 3:49 PM

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I just found that image so funny and had to share it

silk void Oct 25, 2024, 3:50 PM

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umbral meteor is this how you mine the asteroids? xD

Ayka might have a had a better time if he did this, lol.

solid pollen Oct 25, 2024, 4:19 PM

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also update for Duffel and Jaxa, No oil in entire radar range. so that single Oil 10x distance away is the closest oil on the map for me

rigid bramble Oct 25, 2024, 4:20 PM

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we need to go deeper

silk void Oct 25, 2024, 4:23 PM

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solid pollen also update for Duffel and Jaxa, No oil in entire radar range. so that single Oi...

Oh no

solid pollen Oct 25, 2024, 4:27 PM

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nah there be no oil is good for you Jaxa 😛