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#Factorio
woeful geyser
solid pollen
i cannot describe just how much I love these little improvements. liquids showing where they are moving, the red blocks when you are placing over something. all little things that just make me so happy
umbral meteor
btw, notice the change in water/steam usage for the boiler/steam engine setup xD
the 1:20:40 has gone WAY out the window
umbral meteor
something like that yeah xD
solid pollen
wait what
you mean the things i place automatically without thinking now require.... thought again?
wait... biter bases gain hp from evo?
woeful geyser
YEP
umbral meteor
essentially they reduced the water usage for a steam power setup to 1/10th of the original
solid pollen
i see it 0.2 of 6 for a boiler to 2 steam engines.... tasty!
yeah
less than 3 hour spoil time
woeful geyser
oh my god STEEL AXE NO LONGER NEEDS TO BE RESEARCHED THESE ARE THE BEST TIMES.
woeful geyser
I JUST NEED TO COOK STEEL IT IS GREAT
solid pollen
yeah. place assembler achivement unlocked 😄
hearty meteor
V 2.0.7 already...
umbral meteor
thanks to the early people yes
solid pollen
at least thats better than 1.11.10
hearty meteor
As some people on Steam wrote: "But why did they get to play it early, waaaaah waaaah waaah"
solid pollen
"wahhhh wahhh we got to see people testing it out so we know if we want to buy it WAH WAH"
hearty meteor
Pretty much
solid pollen
"wah wah they did free bug testing for wube WAH WAH"
hearty meteor
Some people figured out they didn't want to spend 35 USD on it, and I think that's how it should be
solid pollen
and i saw a load of mods update right away so mod makers even got to pre-empt the update
honestly I just saw the price tag as "paying wube for my 1000 hours of gameplay and getting 100% more game to play"
umbral meteor
some of the core mods i use are now made by devs anyways xD
woeful geyser
Pipe visualizer...
solid pollen
YES!
its fucking awesome right?
it even has a distance pointer to something that uses it
if its off screen
woeful geyser
F's in chat for the filter inserter.
pliant crystal
Filter Inserter is dead, long live Filter Inserter!
woeful geyser
Also: YOU CAN ADJUST ITEMS IN THE RESEARCH QUEUE NOW AND IT'S AMAZING
solid pollen
but it says "enqueue"
umbral meteor
xD
woeful geyser
solid pollen
dont worry, we got it
pliant crystal
Am just watching some vids to get a low-level "these are the big changes" overview of the 2.0 update, before streaming.
umbral meteor
pliant crystal
Want to have a vague idea in the back of my head of what is different, so I know what to pay attention to.
solid pollen
from humble beginnings, hope (and pollution) spring eternal
pliant crystal
Yeah, going through Xterminator's change list as it happens Zang.
umbral meteor
i assumed 😄
woeful geyser
Burner phase is longer
woeful geyser
Not THAT much longer (though I saw someone get all 38 achievos with just burner inserters)
hearty meteor
time for a "Burner Everything" play? xD
hearty meteor
Very much so. And it's entertaining
woeful geyser
Even in death, I serve the omnissiah
solid pollen
damnit, its got the flashing "empty" thing but I missed it in the print screen XD
anyone else find the manual inserting noise incredibly pleasant?
missing underground, it automatically left a space.... im in love!
woeful geyser
missing underground, it automatically left a space.... im in love!
omg that's great
woeful geyser
missing underground, it automatically left a space.... im in love!
speaking of undergrounds... try placing one manually 😉
solid pollen
....
woeful geyser
go on
solid pollen
did that... just AUTOMATICALLY show me the max distance so i dont need to go one further and back again just to be sure?
this is heaven
woeful geyser
YES
solid pollen
damn im out of time, an hour was not enough... sadge. ill be back later for more. go boldly into space before i get back 😄 !
woeful geyser
At least this hasn't changed: SPOODER STILL COSTS A FISH
solid pollen
i mean where else would we get the brain for it
woeful geyser
Also. AUTOMATED FISH.
solid pollen
doesnt this mean we can fill a small water pond with so many fish you cant see the blue anymore?
woeful geyser
Your water is blue?
solid pollen
well i had to stop playing right as I got my first smelter stack up..... so yeah
i cant pollute the world THAT fast
woeful geyser
Also: Pipetting ores gives you a miner
solid pollen
didnt it already do that?
woeful geyser
Not sure. What I do know is that they merged the techs that give you stops and signals.
Which is SWEEEEEET
woeful geyser
But... is it part of space age or 2.0
Like. New rails are 2.0, not space age. Everyone has them. Elevated rails are space age tho
hearty meteor
22.5 degree turns with new rails
umbral meteor
Steam Store, Top Seller list.
#1 Factorio Space Age
solid pollen
as expected
hearty meteor
But how? I haven't bought it!!!!!
solid pollen
clearly you are the only factorio player in the world who hasnt 😛
hearty meteor
Probably XD
Although there have been a few whiners in the Steam Forums for Factorio. It's a bit amusing to see, really
umbral meteor
clearly you are the only factorio player in the world who hasnt 😛
Naah, i'm one as well
i have to wait until the 1st
solid pollen
we always love the whiners, i bet half of them bought the expansion as soon as it came out just like the rest of us
umbral meteor
for a moment there i though you meant me
as i didn't see the other half of Khaylain's message xD
and i was like "what did you just call me?!"
hearty meteor
I mean, I know there are some parts of the expansion I'm finding a bit distasteful to me. But it's probably a great expansion for most people, so why should I whine about it. But maybe I'm being too reasonable?
umbral meteor
the new mod interface however will take some getting used to xD
also, it's not like i have a lot going on at once currently xD
rigid bramble
side note, with the new fluids it seems you can indeed have more than two steam engines to a boiler - it has no point to it like, but you can do it xD
umbral meteor
MOAR POWER!
hearty meteor
also, it's not like i have a lot going on at once currently xD
Just 4 screens? Weak ;P
hearty meteor
It's a screen, isn't it? I didn't say monitor ;P
But you're running Space Engineers on the TV, right?
hearty meteor
(To be fair, I've mostly been only using 2 screens...)
umbral meteor
and tbf, comparatively due to distance, the monitor i use is essentially the same size as the TV
hearty meteor
Hope people are having fun with the expansion. Though most people might not have gotten too far off Nauvis yet
umbral meteor
i'm working on getting off "EarthLike" so i can grab Silver, Gold, Platinum and Uranium xD
hearty meteor
Make it a two-stage rocket!
First stage with just atmo thrusters, second stage with hydrogen thrusters
umbral meteor
oooor, i could set up a self building Space Elevator xD
hearty meteor
We might have gotten a bit off topic, I suddenly realize
umbral meteor
eeh, most people are busy playing factorio, or watching Aavak anyways xD
hearty meteor
The remote control of tanks and such seem cool, though
rigid bramble
I need to stop watching Aavak and build my own factory
hearty meteor
Por que no los dos?
rigid bramble
sprechen Sie Englisch
hearty meteor
sprechen Sie Englisch
Niet
rigid bramble
the real travesty though, you can't put fish back in the water 😮
also I think Roadtrain is maybe a little too excited in stream xD
something funky is going on with steam power though, its bouncing up to 2MW ever though I've only one boiler hooked up to three steam engines
ah, I think I see, the steam was buffering in the pipes when its not on full load
hearty meteor
the real travesty though, you can't put fish back in the water 😮
You can't? You could before at least
rigid bramble
if you dropped them over water they would go back to swimming
hearty meteor
And now that doesn't happen?
rigid bramble
nope, cus... spoiler, they now spoil
hearty meteor
Can you use an inserter to put them back?
But yeah, I don't like the whole spoiling thing
hearty meteor
Darn you, Wubwubwube
solid pollen
wube approves of fish wastage and fish species extinction in our oceans!
woeful geyser
But yeah, I don't like the whole spoiling thing
You can scale it.
hearty meteor
I don't know what that means, and I still don't like it XD
woeful geyser
I don't know what that means, and I still don't like it XD
You can dictate how fast things spoils. No, 0% isn't an option.
hearty meteor
Ah, I understand.
Not really a problem for me since I don't have the expansion
umbral meteor
first mod to be installed once i'm done with Vanilla.
"Disable Spoilage" xD
woeful geyser
I think that will ruin Gleba.
umbral meteor
i assume if it doesn't already exist, it will by then
rigid bramble
so it wasn't a fish scale joke
you don't need a mod to remove spoilage
oh, 0% isn't an option?
umbral meteor
I think that will ruin Gleba.
like we haven't used mods that are cheaty AF before xD
rigid bramble
oh no, Aavak is spoiling the fish 😮
woeful geyser
It would turn Gleba into Nauvis 2.0
rigid bramble
there is waterfill and then there is just giving you a loaded rocket at start
the question is though, why would you remove a feature before you've had time to try it
umbral meteor
did you guys even read what i wrote?
rigid bramble
well I was generalising for the whole community
umbral meteor
and i quote "first mod to be installed once i'm done with Vanilla."
rigid bramble
well the beauty of mods is that you can play how you want
umbral meteor
yup
why we play with mods
Factorissimo
😁
Factory inside factory inside factory......
rigid bramble
I still think I'm going to Gleba first
the spoilage is something new and different to play with
also also, remember they made ||those fungi that spoil into ore||
solid pollen
I plan to go to volcanic planet first. I wanna see dem WORMS
hearty meteor
Looks like a few people are playing Factorio:
solid pollen
gotta get them rookie numbers up
solid pollen
Front page baby
woeful geyser
Neat.
I'm gonna continue working on my factory... probably redo all of my oil stuff because it sucks
solid pollen
im finally able to get on again, i gotta get through green first Sadge. however without seeing, I agree your oil sucks
why is it that in the research section "Enqueue" is grammatically correct and yet I hate it for not being queue anymore
woeful geyser
Improved oil. My iron is IN THE WAY.
solid pollen
sounds like you need to add chests to the line to get the ore extracted faster
or speed 64x and hand mine it KEKW
woeful geyser
I'm impressed I've gotten this far without building walls tbh
umbral meteor
woeful geyser
That's... BEAUTIFUL
LOOK AT MY CHOKEPOINTS
South will be a long one but... apart from that it's just the west and north east I gotta worry about this is amazing.
hearty meteor
I'm impressed I've gotten this far without building walls tbh
Kibzie!
woeful geyser
Okay... time to build at long long last build a mall... so that I can start transitioning to a proper base.
hearty meteor
That's... BEAUTIFUL
May I suggest you name the left chokepoint "Camp Tebutt", the leftmost of the north ones "Path to Glory", right in the middle of the three lakes "Trilake Tribunal", and the bottom one "Wide Load Here"?
woeful geyser
...
woeful geyser
May I suggest you name the left chokepoint "Camp Tebutt", the leftmost of the no...
Would you like to be introduced to my mode of transportation. It's got a very long shaft.
hearty meteor
I remember we put down names on the map in an MP game we had
hearty meteor
Would you like to be introduced to my mode of transportation. It's got a very lo...
Ooooh, are we talking 4-16 or 8-32?
woeful geyser
No am talking gun.
ANYWHO. Mall time.
(yes I haven't built a mall despite having the ability to research rockets)
woeful geyser
Y'know the worst part when it comes to scaling up is I usually have no clue where to bloody start... I can build a starter base but then I lock up.
Ngl really happy with this. Would medium power poles make more sense? Probably. Do I care? Nah.
rigid bramble
sayyy, how do I turn off the forced straight belts
I want to be able to drag sideways - but not turn the belt sideways
woeful geyser
Bad news: Less than 100k on my starter iron patch.
Good news: Trains.
rigid bramble
I'm using twice as much power as I'm making
rigid bramble
I've got a glorious 240kw of solar
rigid bramble
I'm sure you could go between the pipe connector end before
oh that was just on the boilers
also when you're upgrading underground belts it rotates them >.<
waaaaaait, didn't they make a priority power switch in factorio too?
also
Aavak needs to read the FFF about the lights xD
Kovarex wanting to make an image with lights, Boskid, saying sure why not on a space platform, not realising what kovarex was cooking up xD
I made a rave cus my power isn't great at night
hearty meteor
Nice. I name the left one "The Western Marshes" and the south one "Kalaha"
rigid bramble
Did you see Aavak named a swamp after Roadtrain in his game xD
rigid bramble
I need to work more on my factory
woeful geyser
2.0 rails are great (I'm starting to realize here that bidirectional trains are supreme)
woeful geyser
In an attempt to expediate running dry my starter copper patch (or at least, the bit that is in the way) I figured... hell, why not use an awful item for an awful purpose.
The problem:
solid pollen
Nice. I name the left one "The Western Marshes" and the south one "Kalaha"
And so they have been Named!
woeful geyser
I like it. It's very easy to see 'hey, that's not real'
solid pollen
loggon onto factorio just to name them XD
woeful geyser
Btw: Ya'll got tips on how to effectively scale to a 'midgame' base?
hearty meteor
Well, you've got some time to expand the factory now, don't you?
woeful geyser
I never got beyond a starterbase.
solid pollen
hell no i dont 😄
woeful geyser
Like. I just. Don't quite get how to go to a midgame, train-based base.
solid pollen
I usually go for 8 iron 8 copper 2 steel 2 coal 1 stone brick 1 stone
hearty meteor
Btw: Ya'll got tips on how to effectively scale to a 'midgame' base?
I've usually just ended up with main bus for that.
solid pollen
then just make what I need "on-site" for intermediaries
woeful geyser
I've usually just ended up with main bus for that.
Oh I am planning to use main bus again. It's more... getting it started.
hearty meteor
I kinda do "weird" stuff like putting gears on the main bus, though
woeful geyser
I have my starterbase making most of the stuff to 'build' the new base.
solid pollen
I wouldnt say it was wierd
hearty meteor
Not copper wire, though
woeful geyser
But... I'm trying to design it and can't even get a train station down.
solid pollen
some people like having all the intermediaries on the buss, some dont
well you definitely need train stations that can hold multiple trains in reserve
hearty meteor
I usually grow my base organically. Just "What do I need now," or "What do I need more of" and build that. So some times I go out looking for more iron, other times I expand my green chips production,
woeful geyser
This is kinda where I wanna build it.
solid pollen
thats not enough space right?
woeful geyser
I usually grow my base organically. Just "What do I need now," or "What do I nee...
Yeah... about that, specifically green chips...
solid pollen
its not how big it is, but how you use it 😉
woeful geyser
Again: This is my starter base. It exists for no other reason than to help me build a midgame base.
hearty meteor
I would also recommend making "modules" that basically fit in a square that you can just "paste" down more of when you need it
Or, not square, but it's like a rectangle
solid pollen
can you get eletric furnaces without leaving nauvis?
woeful geyser
I would also recommend making "modules" that basically fit in a square that you ...
You can just call them city blocks you know.
yup
hearty meteor
No, not quite city blocks. More like you put modules on top of your bus, but since they all are designed to be rectangles they fit easily by each other
solid pollen
puzzle pieces might be a closer but still not quite accurate name
woeful geyser
I understand what you mean... I do that naturally.
solid pollen
or using the complete "moduLAR"
woeful geyser
For example look at my green chips.
hearty meteor
I also keep all my production on one side of the bus (like you did) and can bring in more raw materials on the bottom side, maybe with trains
woeful geyser
That's very much a module that I can just scale up.
hearty meteor
I also like to set up a bot network that is just one single network (I don't use bots for logistics, only building. Well, personal logistics is fine)
solid pollen
I like my segmented defense network for repair packs
so they dont fly across the entire goddamn map
hearty meteor
Understandable
woeful geyser
I also keep all my production on one side of the bus (like you did) and can brin...
Honestly now that you say that... that is a good idea. I can probably do an uno reverse of my bus. Have smelters/refining at the top, and production at the bottom in my new base.
woeful geyser
I like my segmented defense network for repair packs
train fed perimeter walls ftw
For now I... guess I just really need the copper patch to be not there.
hearty meteor
I also just put my perimeter walls far outside my pollution cloud usually, so it doesn't need much repairs
woeful geyser
My south wall is gonna end up being the centre of a cloud because there's iron there... I could take it from east but that's very much further away. And it's set up already.
rigid bramble
Roadtrain have you heard about out lord and saviour elevated rail?
solid pollen
train fed perimeter walls ftw
why would you need to feed perimeter walls? just have flamethrowers?
woeful geyser
Roadtrain have you heard about out lord and saviour elevated rail?
Honestly I dunno why I haven't rushed that yet.
rigid bramble
have you left Nauvis yet xD
solid pollen
nah were talking about setting up the nauvis midgame base
"midgame" used very loosely here
woeful geyser
I want a midgame base before I even think about going to spaaaaaaace
rigid bramble
oh thats only purple science
solid pollen
SPACE-ace-ace-ace is the name of my save 😛
woeful geyser
"midgame" used very loosely here
Basically something that won't die the moment I leave and can keep me supplied on my next planet (am very much thinking vulcanus)
solid pollen
hell yeah brother
i wanna go volcanus first too 😄
gotta fight me some big ol wormy boi's that are immune to everything I have
woeful geyser
Interesting...
woeful geyser
Researching the silo allows you to see this screen.
solid pollen
mother nature will feed me as I desecrate her
wow that UI looks really good for that idea I had about spaceship only huh
woeful geyser
There's a space tab!
woeful geyser
At last, a reason to automate refined concrete.
rigid bramble
I feel there are a few things to use refined concrete
also concrete for the nuclear power
woeful geyser
Oh yeah basically all the new fancy buildings. Also... WHY DOES THE ARTILLERY WAGON NEED IT
WUBE, WHAT THE HELL
rigid bramble
doesn't it need artillery cannons?
woeful geyser
Nope.
rigid bramble
I feel 60 engines is worse than concrete
pliant crystal
I'm tempted to stream again.
woeful geyser
I'm tempted to stream again.
The factory must grow...
rigid bramble
can Aavak into space
pliant crystal
Really want to check out what train interrupts can do on stream.
woeful geyser
Haven't played around with those yet.
rigid bramble
I think you're probably the best person to explain things like train interrupts Aavak
rigid bramble
my train is going to be a hot moment
woeful geyser
@solid pollen basically: An interrupt is a condition that allows you to add temporary stops to a schedule automatically
solid pollen
but why
solid pollen
ohhhhh
woeful geyser
That's just one use case.
solid pollen
I usually just have the refuel be where they output.... but that does sound way better
woeful geyser
But you can pull off some SERIOUSLY advanced shenanigans with interrupts.
rigid bramble
also when your fish train spoils you can get it drop of the spoilage
solid pollen
so this is circuit stuff right?
woeful geyser
LTN is now a thing you can make in vanilla
woeful geyser
so this is circuit stuff right?
... not really
solid pollen
cause the furthest ive done circuits is "do i have x amount of something? no then keep adding it" XD
solid pollen
then i am clueless about it, and down to learn
rigid bramble
challenge yourself and make an automated ammo refilling via trains
solid pollen
ewww who uses ammo for perimeter walls
rigid bramble
oh... wireless circuits
woeful geyser
we america this shit
America is the land of boolet
solid pollen
america is the land of OIL
woeful geyser
No. They steal the oil. They make boolet.
solid pollen
stealing oil from other countries using lies and money is the true american dream
and war*
america is oil.
what capitalist MAKES something, its better to take something someone ELSE makes and sell it
I have stunned him with my unparralled logic, quick something steal his resources in factorio
woeful geyser
No am WORKING ON MY FACTORY
pliant crystal
Already have.
woeful geyser
Or trying to...
pliant crystal
He hasn't noticed yet.
solid pollen
XD
solid pollen
poor Roadtrain
pliant crystal
His downfall is assured.
solid pollen
I look forward to watching it happen
silk void
My factory is chaos. I need to fix it.
silk void
Also true, probably
pliant crystal
Fight chaos with chaos, that's what I always say.
rigid bramble
chaos you say
silk void
I've put six hours in, I've researched everything I can, I have not built things to make those things though. I also have no forests on the east or south side of me, the biters are angry and growing, lol.
This is going great.
rigid bramble
also what
solid pollen
if the biters are angry, send them gifts of grenades and piercing rounds until they feel so grateful they move away
and dont forget that nests gain 1% hp for every nest killed
rigid bramble
I mean you could always add a temp stop to an automated train I'm sure
woeful geyser
and dont forget that nests gain 1% hp for every nest killed
You can still get the squish achievement even with the extra hp btw I got it this run just earlier. As soon as u get a tank biters become non issue at least until big boys
solid pollen
yeah, but I want to just run right through a base killing nests without losing speed 😦
woeful geyser
Ehhhh, you lose a tiny bit
solid pollen
then the game loses 1 star
woeful geyser
But tank still squishes pretty good.
solid pollen
not perfectly accomidating my power fantasy? game sucks 9/10
woeful geyser
not perfectly accomidating my power fantasy? game sucks 9/10
Just put lasers in your tank
rigid bramble
PLDs got nerfed remember
solid pollen
if something gets nerfed, just stack more of them. easy fix
hearty meteor
Make them perfect quality in a perfect quality power armour
solid pollen
I havent even got to quality stuff yet, is it just a module thing or is there more too it. dont tell me what, just a yes or no 😛
hearty meteor
I think there's more to it. I don't have SA XD
silk void
I regretfully died last night while attempting to take out a base. I got stuck and seemed in my car, I have not replaced my car. I have retrieved my inventory though at least, lol.
solid pollen
not knowing your experience with the game, may i recommend our lord and savior The Wiggle
rigid bramble
did someone say chaos?
rigid bramble
you not seeing the assemblers not in a straight line?
solid pollen
I mean, how else would you get the chests in there?
rigid bramble
compared to Aavak's neat square
hearty meteor
And here I am always having three tiles between them so each one puts into a chest and the next one pulls from the same chest
solid pollen
perfectly (badly) timed picture taken 😛
rigid bramble
he was still building it at the time
I mean true, the real chaos comes at night time
hearty meteor
Keeping each intermediary step (that is a building/belt/placeable) in a chest between each assembler makes it easy to make the chests logistics chests with filters later, making it easy to build and upgrade the base and getting the old stuff recycled/upgraded into the higher tier stuff
solid pollen
I just build a new base 😛
rigid bramble
chaos
silk void
not knowing your experience with the game, may i recommend our lord and savior *...
I'm incredibly new with 43 hours. And I was wiggling, I just happened to get stuck between a rock and a biter place.
solid pollen
ahhhh
yeah that does happen
43 hours? thats basically learning the first of 100 steps at best
i would strongly recommend. automate EVERYTHING
belts, inserters, bullets, walls, grenades. ALL OF IT
it will save you SO SO much time
hearty meteor
Isn't the "speedrunning" achievement 40 hours in Space Age?
I loved the Lazy Bastard achievement run
solid pollen
which means a normal game will be like 100, which means he hasnt even spent enough time in the game for 1 run
poor little newbie
I still have to do lazy bastard
although it looks kinda... easier now XD
hearty meteor
Probably is
rigid bramble
yeah you can build an oil refinery in a T1 assembler
hearty meteor
I remember when you had fewer "free" crafts than you do now
rigid bramble
pretty much once you get automation 1, you can build everything without hand crafts
rigid bramble
1 lab, 10 red science and 1 assemebler, is all you need
rigid bramble
1 single power pole
solid pollen
but yeah before you also needed pumpjack and oil refinery
rigid bramble
you didn;t have to hand craft a pumpjack iirc
solid pollen
i knew you had to hand craft one of them
rigid bramble
the T3 assembler is what you needed to make something with 6 items
and that needed processed oil
silk void
i would strongly recommend. automate EVERYTHING
I've automated belts(and its things), inserters, green boards and red/green science and that's about it lol
hearty meteor
It can even be worth it to just put down an assembler with two chests, one for input materials and one for output, and just set up ghetto automation that way for some things. But yeah, preferably make everything automated. The circuit network is nice, you can make it so you don't make more than x amount of each thing. Or you can limit the chests with the red X in the corner
silk void
I've set limits on my chests. 
I also scaled up my iron plate production because it was lacking.
I also feel like I am going to need to get into trains early because my first nodes were a mess and I hate them, lol.
rigid bramble
also the rail corners are so big 😮
silk void
Iron, Stone, and Coal all are cuddling each other
solid pollen
that sucks but you can use splitters to divide it up, and then have the mixed parts priority onto the furnace belts
hearty meteor
also the rail corners are so big 😮
14 vs 12 tiles for 90 degree turn, AFAIK
Splitters to filter ores is great
hearty meteor
Extend elevated rails to 15 elevations
silk void
I thankfully saw Aavak filter belts I think? So I knew about it, it's just a pain when I didn't think before I crossed the lines lol.
rigid bramble
aha...
silk void
I hate this
rigid bramble
its a roundabout with pass-bys
rigid bramble
yeah Roadtrain, explain yourself
also you can put three pumps on the same side on a train
solid pollen
I thought it was only 2
rigid bramble
well...
woeful geyser
but mostly cause its RoadTrain
Huh
solid pollen
have you become confused because ive been nice to you all day? remember our cult. you are the mascot of mashocism
woeful geyser
No just confused of what am being blamed for
rigid bramble
No just confused of what am being blamed for
you and that rail roundabout
how could you
solid pollen
wait, do i need something specific to blame you for? ok..... when i sat on my computer this morning a beam of light hit my eyes for a second. thats your fault
better?
woeful geyser
I'm too exhausted for these shenanigans
silk void
Noin deserved that promotion lol
solid pollen
I'm too exhausted for these shenanigans
you alright? thats some extreme level exhaustion if you cant do shenanigans!
woeful geyser
I had a bad night's sleep and my brain is just completely locking up over something as simple as trying to put down train stops for smelting arrays.
I want to get to the DLC content but it's kinda hard to do that if I can't even start my midgame base.
rigid bramble
I think they might have been playing SA since release
woeful geyser
With breaks but yes.
solid pollen
then may i suggest stop playing and go to bed 😛
your watching the game but not acutally playing it if you are that tired
woeful geyser
Not sleepy and it's more me never having gotten past my starter base.
solid pollen
are you struggling at the conceptual stage?
woeful geyser
Yes.
solid pollen
ahhhhh sheet. I have that problem a lot
my advice? break it down into smaller steps
woeful geyser
Also: Mining a piece of rail with a train on it causes you to pick up the train
solid pollen
thats.... literally amazing
so start with where you want to get the ore from. then pick the ROUGH locaitons of each smelter array
start building the rail from ore to rough location
and youve already dealt with half the problem
woeful geyser
I have all of that... it's deciding where and how to unload/smelt
solid pollen
build the smelting section first instead?
then you can visualize the space you have to work with
and remember, it doesnt need to be perfect even if its for the midgame base
you CAN tear it down and build it again after a few iterations
woeful geyser
True... am just... trying to figure out how to place the arrays and stops in a way that won't bite me in the ass later if I have to add more.
solid pollen
stop doing that
build the array and train stuff "good enough" then look at it
its easier to improve something already built then to start from scratch
woeful geyser
Yeah actually you're right I am going to rebuild it. Because y'know. Foundries are a thing.
solid pollen
exactly!
in factorio and in mental health
it is OK to not be perfect
getting it done 30% is better than not even getting started as you aim for 100%
woeful geyser
Also holy CRAP shooting speed 5 turns combat shotgun into nearly a machinegun that's nuts.
where/how would you put a smelting stack here
rigid bramble
You never used the combat shotgun with the shooting speed research?
solid pollen
honestly is that even enough space?
woeful geyser
I don't have much better...
solid pollen
starting from bottom right to top right and contiuning up horizontally
input from left to right
and start making landfill if you dont have enough space
rigid bramble
for me though, I was going to bookend my starter base with the launch pad, and then make a new base from that just for science
solid pollen
then start making underground belt in large numbers XD
split the furnace stack on either side of the cliff if you have to
leave the big open space for the rail station
woeful geyser
Btw: Assuming I have 1-4-1 trains (that's what I'm gonna start using) how many smelting arrays can I reliably feed off that...
safe rampart
Also holy CRAP shooting speed 5 turns combat shotgun into nearly a machinegun th...
I keep forgetting about the combat shotgun, usually stick to the initial one since i use it against trees most of the time
solid pollen
depends how far away the ore patch is and how research for bulk inserter
rigid bramble
not a 2-3-1?
(engine, fluid, cargo)
solid pollen
not a 5-0-1?
rigid bramble
combat shotgun will shred a forest though
rigid bramble
not a 5-0-1?
what is the zero for?
solid pollen
i need to remember the personal flame thrower exists so i can get forest burning achivie
0 fluid wagons
woeful geyser
5 capacity on my bulk inserters (also yes I realized I had more space, so my smelters are getting shoved top left)
solid pollen
why would you need liquid on a iron/copper/stone/coal train?
rigid bramble
you need it for oil, and for uranium
woeful geyser
and double headed trains? ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Loops are massive.
solid pollen
yeah but you only need like 1
rigid bramble
awkward part is when you try to put 150k fuilds in one tank
woeful geyser
I used to do singleheaded but with the new flexibility of rails and bigger loops makes double headed superior.
hearty meteor
4-16 trains superior ;P
rigid bramble
why have a separate train delivering sulphuric acid, and then one taking the uranium
or, idea, package the sulphuric acid
silk void
What part of science is drones my last time playing was .15, so my old 35 hours was a little while ago lol
hearty meteor
Blue science, innit?
Gotta have oil for them, at least
Since they need electric engines, which needs lube, which needs oil. I think
woeful geyser
What part of science is drones my last time playing was .15, so my old 35 hours ...
blue (this is in space age at least)
hearty meteor
The requester and active provider chests come after space science in SA, don't remember where in base
rigid bramble
logistics system isn't till yellow
woeful geyser
logistics system isn't till yellow
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT
silk void
I have space age so this will be fun
woeful geyser
Smeltin' time.
silk void
Smelter goes brr
solid pollen
Smeltin' time.
already got it all planned out, thats like 99% of the way done already
I give good advice 👍
errr
one thing though... maybe you need more than one smelter stack for iron and copper 😛
or is that just iron
rigid bramble
hey, spoilers
solid pollen
is that a spoiler? thats like basica factorio
rigid bramble
base factorio is what I said, yellow science
woeful geyser
base factorio is what I said, yellow science
I mean. You can just look that one up in the research tree...
rigid bramble
I'm trying not to
lest I see coal from ||carbon and sulphur||
woeful geyser
or is that just iron
I have nowhere near enough throughput for that.
solid pollen
so only hook 1 up
rigid bramble
I'm going to admit, full logistics before you leave Nauvis sounds a bit early
woeful geyser
so only hook 1 up
I meant as in, this was one smelter for each (including a steel smelter though I haven't elongated it)
silk void
(Also spaghett)
woeful geyser
Oh wait AM BEING DUMB COAL DOESN'T NEED SMELTING
solid pollen
that cant be classified as spaghetti
woeful geyser
Morning brain.
solid pollen
please for the love of god press ALT
hearty meteor
that cant be classified as spaghetti
No, I think it's tagliagelle ;P
silk void
Press ALT Jaxa
I alt tabbed
solid pollen
oh thank god
silk void
And it hid it lol
hearty meteor
I disabled the hotkey for alt and set it to always be on XD
woeful geyser
Actually that works for me. 1 more smelter and I'll have 2 iron/copper, 1 steel, 1 brick
silk void
Good call, Khay
solid pollen
yeah thats pretty good RT
silk void
I changed it, just in case
hearty meteor
You fellows have fun, I'll hit the hay
silk void
Shift left alt lol
solid pollen
and i will say. i have NEVER made the mistake of trying to smelt coal on autopilot
night @hearty meteor
"never"
woeful geyser
Meanwhile I've managed to procrastinate for so long my pollution cloud is almost 0 now
solid pollen
I mean thats just stonks
at least you got past the mental hurdle
they can be painful to deal with
rigid bramble
but where is that Aavak stream xD
solid pollen
i mean he said he might stream
woeful geyser
I'm also now realizing that I really should uhhh... mine the green rocks.
solid pollen
im hoping he doesnt now and does tomorrow morning so i can actually watch the whole stream
woeful geyser
And start nuclear.
Because there's no way in hell I can get enough steam power for all of this XD
solid pollen
remember the water change
woeful geyser
remember the water change
I'm thinking coal
woeful geyser
Then again...
rigid bramble
get your rocks out honey, get your rocks out
woeful geyser
... I might be able to do steam.
rigid bramble
I think its that anyway, where are my rocky horror gifs
woeful geyser
Yeah fuck it we ball time to slam down an unholy amount of electric smelters.
solid pollen
hell yeah BROTHER
if you aint consuming power equal to the output of the sun every second in electric smelters... are you even doing it right?
rigid bramble
no 2-4 trains in chat, sad
woeful geyser
My base is currently using 2 MW of power. That's insane.
She is. Asleep...
But not for long.
silk void
Note to self. Set up car automation. I'm really bad at keeping them alive, lol.
I however, did not die this time, so that's a win
solid pollen
note to Jaxa, skip car return to TANK-e
woeful geyser
Tank very good yes
solid pollen
then automate tank shells
and enjoy the power fantasy for a while
and give the tank only S grade fuel
woeful geyser
24k iron left on my starter patch...
rigid bramble
2MW? I've got like double that in solar power xD
woeful geyser
2MW? I've got like double that in solar power xD
That's my base when idling...
2MW isn't a lot.
silk void
note to Jaxa, skip car return to TANK-e
I need oil first
And I am wiggling around enough trying to get my base moving lol
woeful geyser
14 more furnaces and my forge will be complete. Then... it's time to build the factory.
solid pollen
you using red belt? so you need 40 electric furnances for saturation
rigid bramble
ok I don't know how to interrupt
woeful geyser
ok I don't know how to interrupt
whatcha trying to do
rigid bramble
if a train is stopped at a station waiting for a leave condition, will it accept interrupts?
I want it to deliver ammo if the outpost is out
woeful geyser
I want it to deliver ammo if the outpost is out
... you can do that with enable/disable'ing the station.
Don't need an interrupt for that.
rigid bramble
but I don't want the station to be turned off if it has ammo
I want my hybrid train to visit so it can drop off ammo
idea is, circuit registers no ammo, it sends interrupt to the train to come to the station
woeful geyser
idea is, circuit registers no ammo, it sends interrupt to the train to come to t...
Yeah. That's done via enabling/disabling the station.
Not via an interrupt.
rigid bramble
I don't want to turn the station on and off
otherwise it won't visit to pick up oil
woeful geyser
Why not.
woeful geyser
otherwise it won't visit to pick up oil
OH.
rigid bramble
it is my oil supply, but if it runs out of ammo I want ammo sent to it
silk void
It's a mixed station it sounds like yeah
rigid bramble
but but but you have train in your name
though the question was, if its sat in a station on a wait condition (ie its waiting to empty oil) will it leave if it recieves an interupt?
rigid bramble
welp I made it go crazy
it for some reason freaks out if I have conditions set to:
circuit has more than 100 ammo
OR
item count of ammo = 0
I want it to make sure it has more than 100 ammo at the outpost, but not to wait if it has no ammo on board
also Roadtrain you must know that circuits are for unnecessary complication xD
rigid bramble
orrrr do I need an interupt to tell it to go empty its oil, rather than a schedule
I'm thinking the interrupts are powerful, but also not very intuitive
woeful geyser
I'm thinking the interrupts are powerful, but also not very intuitive
Or... not fit for your usecase?
rigid bramble
I mean what are for, just for refueling or if the content is spoiled?
(or its a mixed train)
woeful geyser
I mean what are for, just for refueling or if the content is spoiled?
Generic train shedules.
rigid bramble
if the train is out of an item, but its in a station, the interrupt doesn't trigger
rigid bramble
but its not doing anything in the station
woeful geyser
Because... it's not on the move.
rigid bramble
it has no schedule, so to me that means it is free
woeful geyser
Interrupts will only fire if the train is going somewhere. You interrupt it, and then it goes somewhere else
rigid bramble
why doesn't it interrupt if its at a stop though
seems to be a lacking to me
woeful geyser
why doesn't it interrupt if its at a stop though
seems to be a lacking to me
It would work for your usecase but break many others.
rigid bramble
if a stop has no ammo, how do I get a train redirected to give it ammo, as and when its stopped
or do I really have to have the train constantly circling between stations?
woeful geyser
if a stop has no ammo, how do I get a train redirected to give it ammo, as and w...
You can just enable the stop when it has low ammo or enough oil for a train to care.
rigid bramble
that doesn't sound very reactive
rigid bramble
but picture this, you have an array of trains with ammo
you want them to roll out to a specific outpost (pure ammo outpost) when its running low on ammo
by not reactive I mean its only cycling through available stations - its not smart, its only going where it can
woeful geyser
by not reactive I mean its only cycling through available stations - its not sma...
You can use priority to prioritize outposts that are lower on ammo.
rigid bramble
but I can't interrupt it if its idle, only when its moving
and I can't set a temp stop for it to idle somewhere?
woeful geyser
Yes. You simply cannot use an interrupt to start a journey.
That's not what they're for. That's what you use enabling/disabling stops for.
rigid bramble
sounds like its only useful for specific edge cases, for now
woeful geyser
It has many uses. Just. Not the one you want XD
rigid bramble
all I can see is refueling mid journey, or spoiled cargo
woeful geyser
Uhhhh have you seen the other planets.
rigid bramble
not very useful if it runs out of fuel at a station
well you're going to have to give me an example what you can use it for
woeful geyser
well you're going to have to give me an example what you can use it for
Fulgora. Scrap recycling. Train picks up a bunch of random items. It leaves for the depot and you fire an interrupt, checking for the cargo. If any cargo > 0, go to [item]dropoff, wait until item count 0, then it tries to go for depot again but keeps getting interrupted until it's empty.
rigid bramble
but what is it doing before it gets an interrupt?
woeful geyser
Sitting either at a depot, idling, waiting for a free pickup station, or sitting at said pickup station, being loaded with goodies.
rigid bramble
so empty train at depot, travels to scrap station, gets loaded up with scrap... then where, back to depot?
woeful geyser
so empty train at depot, travels to scrap station, gets loaded up with scrap... ...
Yep, but an interrupt will fire immediately as it leaves the pickup stop.
rigid bramble
but what if it makes it back to depot before shedding its cargo, back to scrap pickup?
or is there an interrupt to make it go collect scrap?
woeful geyser
or is there an interrupt to make it go collect scrap?
Nope. No interrupt to collect scrap. And it should never return to the depot with cargo as the condition at the stop will be item count = 0
Because again: Interupts cannot be used to start a journey. Only to change a journey.
rigid bramble
but it needs to be in motion to get an interrupt
woeful geyser
Yes...
The second the train leaves the pickup station, it's in motion and can be interrupted.
rigid bramble
so a schedule where it never stops
but only waits on interupts, or loading up with cargo
woeful geyser
I wish I had an example I could show. I have the system in my head quite clear but it appears I suck at putting it into words.
rigid bramble
I think Aavak might be thinking like I am 😮
'a universal train that just waits for work'
woeful geyser
Absolutely possible. But it needs more than just interrupts to work like that.
Again, to make that stuff work you need to be enabling/disabling stops.
rigid bramble
lemme re-listen
to me though, turning stations on and off is like you give it three open doors, and it just cycles through them, so when you turn one off you're just limiting where it can go
but eh
and thats rather boring 1.1 stuff anyway -I've already done that xD
woeful geyser
and thats rather boring 1.1 stuff anyway -I've already done that xD
Yeah but now you can make a schedule that is "pickup>depot" with an interrupt that checks for any cargo and redirects it to "[item]dropoff"
Essentially recreating LTN in Vanilla
rigid bramble
I feel LTN did a bit more than that
woeful geyser
Mhmmmm... but you can recreate it completely.
rigid bramble
its all academic now cus the oil stop isn't even making pollution now >.<
woeful geyser
By using circuits to enable a stop based on the cargo requested
rigid bramble
unless LTN was only made to make a fuelling station
woeful geyser
I'm too tired to explain this. But trust me you can fully recreate LTN in vanilla now.
rigid bramble
thing is I never used LTN cus I never knew I needed it xD
woeful geyser
I used it lots.
rigid bramble
I always make sure one of the stations has fuel
so my trains are usually go somewhere, pickup, take it somewhere else and drop off
and my one ammo train that was just cycling through all the stops as they were availible
woeful geyser
and my one ammo train that was just cycling through all the stops as they were a...
You see I name all of my perimeter outposts the same thing.
rigid bramble
I can't remember how I did my ammo train, but that was probably it
we need to poke Aavak for that interrupt stream, to show us all about them xD
we need to send him... an Interrupt
woeful geyser
Also ever since interrupts were announced I've been scheming on how to do this.
rigid bramble
would be nice if we could have holding bays though
woeful geyser
would be nice if we could have holding bays though
... you can.
rigid bramble
but not using stations
woeful geyser
Yes, you can.
rigid bramble
how do you get it to just stop somewhere
woeful geyser
By making the train go to 'holding bay'?
rigid bramble
which to me is an empty piece of track
woeful geyser
Are you talking about like a stacker.
For a station.
So you can have multiple trains wait at the same stop.
rigid bramble
but if they went to a holding area to idle, waiting for interupts, or 'jobs' to do
woeful geyser
Possible, but you gotta work with enabling/disabling stops. Since you refuse to do that, it's impossible for you
rigid bramble
my specific situation was a hybrid station, so its not going to work if it shuts off for half of it
I was hoping I could do it with the one train
if it was just taking ammo for instance, then yeah you can turn it off
woeful geyser
Again. You can turn the station on if either there's oil to pick up, or it needs ammo. Then you can set the train to leave from the oil drop off if either the tank car is empty, or it has a certain item count of ammo
rigid bramble
also the biggest problem, is it doesn't use the new features xD
woeful geyser
also the biggest problem, is it doesn't use the new features xD
Because... it doesn't fit their usecase...
Tehnically it uses the new decider combinator for enabling/disabling the stop.
But. Last time I'm going to say it: interrupts CANNOT start a journey.
rigid bramble
yes
woeful geyser
Starting to feel like Bentham and his PSA regarding speed modules decreasing quality.
rigid bramble
but that wasn't intuited in game (if thats the way to say that)
I just wish it was more flexible I guess
woeful geyser
but that wasn't intuited in game (if thats the way to say that)
I just wish it w...
It's kinda in the name...
Also interrupts working with stations would actively ruin a lot of usecases that interrupts serve currently because for instance the recycling one: The train would leave the second something is loaded into it. Which would suck
rigid bramble
well then you would have an option on the station, 'do not receive interrupts'
or an option on interrupts to not override stations
woeful geyser
I mean I guess... but still. The solution already exists. You are just hellbent on using interrupts to use interrupts...
rigid bramble
maybe the game needs a tutorial in it, then I wouldn't be digging up the FFF and reading it instead
woeful geyser
Anyway whilst explaining I have basically finished my forge. So next step is going to be starting to lay the groundwork for the new base... though I guess I'll have to plan out my bus because well if I build my production too far up my bus gets squished.
rigid bramble
well I'm not going to learn how it works if I don't try to use it like
woeful geyser
Yeah. Fair. But... your use case does not apply.
Less than 1k ore remaining in my starting iron patch. Finally.
Anyway. Sorry if I came off as agitated I get grumpy when tired. For now. Sleeb
solid pollen
why TF has C stopped being shoot selected, and now its SHIFT+SPACE..... and C is now for next weapon so that TAB can be MAP. MAP?!?!?!
but MAP is also still M
woeful geyser
Yeah the new keybinds threw me for a loop too
pliant crystal
Yeah, I feel like at least an hour worth of the last stream could be distilled into pure 'fighting with my memory over what key does what' XD
Maybe even 2 hours XD
rigid bramble
yeah not sure about the change to shoot selected and map keys - obviously I've un-done thier changes xD
also, pipe visualiser is great and all, but... can I turn it off?
woeful geyser
Also F No longer flips buildings it's now H/V.
maiden yacht
Oh hey factorio thread
woeful geyser
The forges hunger...
maiden yacht
Geez
umbral meteor
Factorio 1.0 -> Main Goal -> Escape the Planet
Factorio 2.0 -> Main Goal -> Exploit the Universe and its inhabitants
maiden yacht
Yeah the character in factorio just realizes factories are awesome actually
woeful geyser
RIP starter iron
silk void
o7
woeful geyser
okay the forges are ready... now to do the other side: Oil refining...
Mfw I realize I never hooked up steel to the chem plant production...
DAMN IT!!!!
silk void
Oop
woeful geyser
Quite annoyed with myself with that one...
What fluids does one regularly bus. I'm assuming lube, light oil, acid, water?
Then again acid can just be made on site since you need sulfur on the bus for science... but then you need petro on the bus.
rigid bramble
bussing fluids...
rigid bramble
each fluid is used for one whole thing though xD
woeful geyser
I mean hell I can see a future where I bus liquid iron/copper.
rigid bramble
what is the water for though?
rigid bramble
I usually make that is own thing somewhere
woeful geyser
How many refineries do you put in your 'midgame' base...
rigid bramble
cus like you need iron ore for concrete
woeful geyser
Yeah am thinking of slamming down rail, nade and concrete production right at the start of my base.
But at the same time I don't wanna bus rails and they're needed in production science... which needs red chips... so I gotta put down green/red chip production first.
umbral meteor
What fluids does one regularly bus. I'm assuming lube, light oil, acid, water?
Acid and Lube
and that's it
and lube only goes as far as to my "Mall"
while Acid stops at Blue Chips
Depending on if i bus batteries or just make them localloy when needed
woeful geyser
I see.
solid pollen
water and oil only, making new small refineries for every single thing that needs an oil by-product
😛
and for the F key.... I did not spend a solid minute trying to use it over and over to flip something, wondering if it was something I just did from Shapez 2
woeful geyser
Yep. You gotta use H/V now.
The only hotkey I've found a bit annoying is the fact that ghost is shift, but counter clockwise rotation is shift+r
solid pollen
like Aavak said, just spend a few dozens hours and get used to it 😄
this is a nice addition.
even an arrow pointing the way and a tracker right below the map. they really want to help people find their dead bodies 😄
umbral meteor
finding it were never my problem, being able to pick it up in biter infested territory on the other hand......
😝
solid pollen
wait shit, my tags are gone. @hearty meteor the game screwed me, remind me what the names were so I can tag them again
(when you get online ofc)
solid pollen
finding it were never my problem, being able to pick it up in biter infested ter...
i always have the opposite problem, i can never find my corpse in the pile of biter corpses 😛
wherefore art mine Oil?!?!? why is my luck with oil spawning so damn bad
woeful geyser
Meanwhile I have a nice near 3000% oil patch that I can go collect if need be.
But I have copper woes.
Starter patch is below 100k and the only other 'close' copper is 700-ish...
solid pollen
....
i literally cant get into any kind of research until i discover and pump out some oil ><
woeful geyser
Yup been there done that.
Set up military science I guess. You're gonna need the supplies for the outposts you will have to build.
solid pollen
yeah I did that when i realised Oil was being a Tsundere
woeful geyser
Refineries done... now... cracking.
solid pollen
can I give you one of my 10 million copper for your 3000% oil patch?
hearty meteor
wherefore art mine Oil?!?!? why is my luck with oil spawning so damn bad
I think left was the Western Marshes, and the south was Kalaha
woeful geyser
Going to expand this but... not quite sure how much I'll need (I have 10 refineries because that seemed like a decent number)
hearty meteor
Looks like you've probably got enough tanks (if you put enough processing to deal with JIT production)
woeful geyser
I'm not thinking about expanding tanks, thinking about expanding cracking so I don't back up on light oil
Or probably, heavy oil since I have yet to make rocket fuel at rocket scale.
Y'know what. Fuck it, 8 of each and we'll see where my bottlenecks happen.
woeful geyser
Nah, playing purely vanilla here.
solid pollen
I think left was the Western Marshes, and the south was Kalaha
thanks for that, I was too lazy to scroll up hehe
hearty meteor
Well, I'm hoping you're going for the Lazy Bastard achievement ;P
woeful geyser
Lazy bastard in space age...
hearty meteor
Should still work fine
I think they even figured it would have a minimum crafts of two less than in 1.1.110
woeful geyser
how come which crafts were removed.
woeful geyser
Okay... that's the main refinery done. Now... to make all of the things from oil... I guess?
Which will be... sulfur(and acid), plastic, maybe batteries... and rocket fuel.
Oh that's not hard...
umbral meteor
xD
needed for an eventual server,
but i assume i actually need to get Space Age before making it, as it will set dependency of the DLC in the map/save
soooo, another week and a half or so
woeful geyser
Rocket fuel.
Ngl am very pleased with that.
Think... that's everything.
Not hooked up nor scaled but... I think that's all my 'raw' resources sorted...
Not gonna lie: I am very pleased how this nook of factory turned out to be the perfect size for me to just shove all of my smelting/refining in.
Time to fill this thing.
solid pollen
soooo, another week and a half or so
looking forward to it!
woeful geyser
with concrete?
I need to automate that first.
solid pollen
@woeful geyser I find it hilarious the only area NOT used is the "new base" section 😄
woeful geyser
<@456226577798135808> I find it hilarious the only area NOT used is the "new bas...
Because that is where I am planning to put my 'production'.
solid pollen
I guessed. but its still funny 😄
woeful geyser
Everything I just built is smelting/refining
umbral meteor
first you have a starter base,
then you have a base builder base,
then you have the build base,
and finally the Megabase xD
solid pollen
also congrats on getting over that mental hurdle
woeful geyser
first you have a starter base,
then you have a base builder base,
then you have ...
The first 2 were basically the same thing for me. I am now on phase 3. All electric smelters and bot mall.
umbral meteor
and then, if you are adventurous... the GIGA base
solid pollen
I wonder how good the Optimization from the expansion/base game is
need to wait for someones mega base to test it out
woeful geyser
Oh I just figured something out which is VERY neat.
Not gonna say it though because spoilers but Gleba is better than people advertised.
umbral meteor
it depends on what you are looking for really
as all the 3 "base" planets unlocks new things
solid pollen
RT I thought we were going to Volcanus together! why would you betray me like this for spongy mold?!?!
woeful geyser
I'm not saying I'll be going there.
I'm just saying it's better than advertised.
So... am thinking green/red/blue chips, then engines/electric engines/robot frames... then all the science packs and a mall after that for all the gubbins I need.
Because quite frankly: I am getting tired of nauvis and I ant to get OFF THIS ROCK.
ohmahgahd MY PERSONAL ROBITS ARE SMORT THEY DON'T TRY TO REPAIR MY TANK UNTIL I STOP
umbral meteor
yup 😄
woeful geyser
Also am seeing big biters/spitters/worms... shit
That is a real indicator I gotta speed up though because I need to start having the ability to make defensive perimeters and service them.
woeful geyser
For now I'm going with the very simple solution of 'If I can't see it then there's no problem'
solid pollen
i mean if your vision is expanded by radars and you havent gone near, game only creates new chunks 20 away from player or visible or pollution
so you can get a biter free world with good luck
woeful geyser
Yeah I've been seriously slacking with radars.
solid pollen
well then you deserve misery!
woeful geyser
Luckily I only had to clean out a few on the east.
solid pollen
ive got like 8 up
hearty meteor
Can you remote drive a car into the black?
solid pollen
roadtrain for science it!
woeful geyser
Can you remote drive a car into the black?
remote drive only works on trains.
hearty meteor
And will you still be able to control it, just not able to see where you drive?
woeful geyser
remote drive only works on trains.
NEVERMIND. I AM WRONG.
hearty meteor
remote drive only works on trains.
I've seen Steejo remote drive a tank on Nauvis when he was on Vulcanus XD
woeful geyser
ngl that's amazing
woeful geyser
Now I can see why spooders are locked to gleba.
Only the tank gets a grid, car doesn't.
hearty meteor
Eh, that's reasonable, I guess
There'll be a mod that gives the car equipment grid again
As in, a previous mod gave the car and tank equipment grids
woeful geyser
As in, a previous mod gave the car and tank equipment grids
It also gave trains one.
rigid bramble
tanks have equipment grids, panik
woeful geyser
Tanks are basically now player models.
hearty meteor
Ooooh, trains with equipment grids. Makes it easy to do FARL like stuff. And setting up outposts
rigid bramble
no FARL yet I don't think, you still have to wallace and gromit the rails yourself
woeful geyser
I want to go to vulcanus with a battle FARL and do train fights.
rigid bramble
asking for a mate, but can I put legs in the train carriages?
woeful geyser
asking for a mate, but can I put legs in the train carriages?
If they have a grid: Yes.
hearty meteor
You can put bots in the train, can they take from the train inventory? Then paste down blueprints with stations so the train inches forwards
rigid bramble
can i remake Luggage in factorio
surely though, exoskeletons are banned from vehicle grids... right?
woeful geyser
You can put bots in the train, can they take from the train inventory? Then past...
Sadly they didn't give trains grids in 2.0
hearty meteor
Factorio Mass Multiplayer from 8 years ago XD
woeful geyser
Factorio Mass Multiplayer from 8 years ago XD
Oh god I PLAYED IN SOME OF THOSE
rigid bramble
no, even bobs mods fixed the issue
hearty meteor
Sadly they didn't give trains grids in 2.0
Ah, I misunderstood #1167527626743758858 message to mean that 2.0 gave trains eq.g, instead of it being the mod that did it
rigid bramble
you have a different item to make vehicles go faster in bob's mods
woeful geyser
you have a different item to make vehicles go faster in bob's mods
But not in hereeeee.
I mean the only one that's out of place is the tonk.
hearty meteor
Factorio Mass Multiplayer from 8 years ago XD
Look at the UI at the bottom XD
rigid bramble
Lex's planes didn't have the compatibility patch though
hearty meteor
Can you do logistics requests to cars, or only to tanks?
rigid bramble
I don't think cars have a grid
hearty meteor
That wasn't my question ;P
woeful geyser
Can you do logistics requests to cars, or only to tanks?
Only the spooder has logi requests automated.
hearty meteor
Only the spooder has logi requests automated.
Pretty sure the tank does too
rigid bramble
well it is now :p
woeful geyser
But the tank will accept manual requests, I think the car will as well.
hearty meteor
From what I saw from Steejo
rigid bramble
I feel spooder had logistics in 1.1
woeful geyser
From what I saw from Steejo
I don't have that option.
woeful geyser
I feel spooder had logistics in 1.1
Spood did.
rigid bramble
I mean in bob's mods
they have tankatron and logitron
hearty meteor
What's the difference between manual requests and automated? (I haven't touched 2.0 yet, bear with me)
rigid bramble
oh no, am I arumba?
woeful geyser
What's the difference between manual requests and automated? (I haven't touched ...
As in, I can go in remote view, select a tank, drive it. And then I can tell my bots 'hey put this item in this vehicle' or 'refuel this vehicle with this fuel' and this will create 1x logistics request.
At least that's how I think it works I don't have logistics set up yet.
rigid bramble
I thought they were all automated requests, unless you can give them interrupts too
"Tankatron is out of nukes, go fix"
hearty meteor
That seems like a weird new functionality, but it could also make sense to give it less power. At least you can set up a restocking loop of belts you can just let the tank ride on while you're away