terraria-pc

[vast bronze]

mana flower overrated

[warm spindle]

But it should be good, with 20 defense my weapon does about 1000 damage

I have better acessories

I think i have it in the chest

[worn siren]

I you are fighting him in the air you don't need the boots

[warm spindle]

Im using the mount

[worn siren]

u don't need the boots then

[warm spindle]

Its possible

[small sail]

is the game locked at 60fps ?

[vast bronze]

The "physics" are locked to 60

[worn siren]

also try getting the celestial shell if u want

[vast bronze]

but yea pretty much

[small sail]

my game doesnt feel smooth at all with hella bunch of teering

[vast bronze]

you can unlock the FPS but there will be some minor issues

[warm spindle]

I had it but its kinda useless
Moon stone is better and works in the same method

[worn siren]

the moon stone is an ingredient for the celestial stone

[small sail]

what are they and how ?

[shut wraith]

At least it buffs you when it turns day somehow

[vast bronze]

you just switch uhhh frameskipping to subtle iirc. Or off

And the issues are like, some animations have higher speed, buying and crafting stuff is drastically sped up

[warm spindle]

Or fr i should get the fishron wings

[small sail]

then its good

[worn siren]

the celestial shell does everything the moon stone does but at all times

the moon stone only works at night

[warm spindle]

I almosy always fight at night

[worn siren]

the celestial shell gives even more buffs at night

speed and defence

[vast bronze]

it's good until you realize you spent all your platinum on accidentally buying 6000 torches

[warm spindle]

II'm starting to say the mage class sucks

[warm spindle]

bs

how

its the class i use the least but how

[cinder adder]

I mean early game it can be bad

[warm spindle]

Idk

[cinder adder]

No. Thinking of summonor

[vast bronze]

Mage is more or less the most all around fun class

Powerful, squishy, and most notably, has a huge variety of weapons that do so many different things

[warm spindle]

I had a good idea to play warrior

[vast bronze]

Second being melee imo because it's really versatile too

[cinder adder]

Warrior?

[vast bronze]

Ranger is OP but kinda boring with it coming down to "shoot arrows or bullets"

[warm spindle]

Melee

[cinder adder]

Melee?

Ohhg

Oki

[vast bronze]

but yea

[cinder adder]

Then summoner

[warm spindle]

Ranger trying to not use chloropyte bullets

[cinder adder]

It exists

[vast bronze]

all classes are pretty damn solid.
Ranger is arguably the only consistently powerful one since even early game it's pretty damn good

[vast bronze]

didn't use those almost at all
I can aim so crystal bullets slap

[vast bronze]

it'

Summoner has gotten really good

[warm spindle]

I was playing ranger in pre-hardmode

[vast bronze]

Like the damage summoners can put out is wild

That's been the case even before 1.4

at least in end game

[cinder adder]

I'm mostly speaking from the one time I tried summoner but in prehardmode then gave up bc there wasn't much

Little did I know it gets better

:/

[warm spindle]

I dont like summoner they are lazy

[vast bronze]

what

[cinder adder]

Nanana, they just got "involuntary workers"

[warm spindle]

That what i mean

[vast bronze]

I'd understand if you said that in context of 1.3

But whips changed it a good lot

[cinder adder]

Yeah I was just about to say that

[warm spindle]

Its possible but the summons do 90% of work still

[worn siren]

wtf is this😭

[vast bronze]

Peryite

[cinder adder]

But that's the point of the class

[warm spindle]

Dinozaur pimpuś

[worn siren]

[cinder adder]

Each class is supposed to feel different way

Play*

There's a class for each type of person

[vast bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/asian-girl-brick-brick-throw-kill-gif-25574003

[warm spindle]

Yeah, mage is not for me definitely

[worn siren]

late game melee is basically ranged

[cinder adder]

Kinda ye

[strange horizon]

Nohit Yharon and ExoMechs

[warm spindle]

Meowmere terrablade

[worn siren]

they should have made melee more like the true melee class in calamity

[cinder adder]

I mean the drawback is that you can't use different bullets/arrows to make weapons stronger

[crisp zodiac]

in the perfect definition for me personally, melee would be something that, although can deal damage at medium range, deals really low damage that way, so although you can somehow fight at medium ranges, you're encouraged to get closer instead

[gilded python]

Dm me if you need help with ANY boss or anything im here to make friends

[vast bronze]

flasks

[cinder adder]

Oh yeee

Totally forgot Abt those

[worn siren]

I use the MEAC mod that changes melee weapons and removes the projectiles from most melee weapons

[crisp zodiac]

wonder how does one even fight moon lord that way

[worn siren]

it leaves projectiles for most of te super late game vapons

[crisp zodiac]

not sure about calamity bosses, as most of them are quite forgettable, but the vanilla ones are pretty much all possible with true melee aside of ml

[crisp zodiac]

oh

[vast bronze]

That's the thing that i don't agree on melee having to just be close range only. Even if the idea of it sounds nice at face value

I just think it would make melee boring as shit

like ranger

[crisp zodiac]

it could probably work with terraria overhaul actually

[vast bronze]

speaking of nelee

i'm honestly kinda considering this for my melee playthrough

Mind you i hate souls likes

[crisp zodiac]

how terraria overhaul works is, your melee damage dealt with the blade itself is multiplied based on your movement speed at the moment of dealing damage, so if you time your dash perfectly, you can deal quite some damage. all that at the expense of weapons becoming much slower

[worn siren]

the MEAC mod does that with the shield of cthulu

[vast bronze]

Overhaul is just such a trip as a whole

[crisp zodiac]

so melee becomes more of a slow huge punches class overall with overhaul

[gilded python]

Dm me if you need help with ANY boss or anything im here to make friends

[grizzled kayak]

One question
What is the defferent between ancient hallowed armour and normal hallowed armour ?

[hallow flame]

no difference, just different sprites :)

[whole lark]

18 minutes of fishing

good haul imo

[vast bronze]

cosmetic

[warm spindle]

damn

[small sail]

wtf are those houses

[willow pasture]

hi, my graveyard doesn't work

there's no sunflowers

nvm it worked

[sinful helm]

rain or wind?

[stable oyster]

If I want to fight eye of Cthulhu on expert mode, what's the ideal armor and weapon?

[fringe moat]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1BOFcsgKl2gvc7IaFYKHusIQYlhtMj5bm

[whole lark]

question: what's usually the best places to get V'd after beating WoF?

[fringe moat]

Not jungle and that’s about it

[whole lark]

because crimson hit my forest & hallow hit my tundra

good news: I got scaly truffle

it's kinda mid because mage doesn't have a lot of offensive accessories

[fringe moat]

Cool

[fringe moat]

Just stack emblems and Survivability

[whole lark]

bad news: I don't yet have access to pixie dust or sky fracture

[whole lark]

yeah I suppose

[whole lark]

I think I'll just go clear WoF again

after a single night of fishing I got the crerpent

but avenger emblem is postmechs

so I don't even have anything to stack with other than sorcerer

[fringe moat]

Take a look at this

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1BOFcsgKl2gvc7IaFYKHusIQYlhtMj5bm

[whole lark]

yeah I saw

I'm crimson

so I don't got putrid scent

I'll probably head underground crimson to get the tome next

[fringe moat]

Dryad + Graveyard = Corruotion Seeds
Corruption + Caverns = Mimic

[whole lark]

too long

takes too long

and honestly if I get a flesh knuckles drop I'll just do the fargo way and "turn" it into putrid

[fringe moat]

Shimmer really should make those 2 swap

[whole lark]

I'll def have to turn my forest into hallow though

[whole lark]

yeah

[whole lark]

a lot of things are locked behind hallow

but crimson hit the forest instead

fun

[fringe moat]

At least it isn’t the jungle

[whole lark]

what's bad about getting jungle V'd?

on my first playthrough the hallow hit my jungle square in the earth

[fringe moat]

Well before 1.4.4 Corruption/Crimson use to permanently turn the jungle into Forest (turned mud into dirt upon corrupting)

After 1.4.4 they fixed that but Plantera bulb can’t grow on corrupted jungle so you have to purify it
Plus the jungle is bad enough on it’s own let alone corrupted

[whole lark]

oh.

[fringe moat]

Think about how many jungles were lost before 1.4.4
Given 1.4.4 was only like 5 months ago or smth

[whole lark]

damn

[small sail]

it has been 3 hours and the guide doesn't wanna respawn, there's 3 empty houses, prehardmode

[warm spindle]

are the houses actually houses tho

send a ss

[fringe moat]

Stage doesn’t affect guide

Are you on journey mode with time stopped

Are you absolutely sure all houses are valid and free

[small sail]

cant send but yes

[small sail]

yes and expert mode

[warm spindle]

wdym u cant

[small sail]

i cant send pictures here

[fringe moat]

Only people with Terrarian can send images

[warm spindle]

no not here obviously

[fringe moat]

Like the house took days it’s valid

[warm spindle]

ik

[small sail]

yeah

[fringe moat]

And how were they meant to know that

[small sail]

in dms ?

[fringe moat]

And they were meant to just know that “obviously”?

[warm spindle]

cos u cant send pics here without the role

[warm spindle]

yhyh

[fringe moat]

Have you tried leaving and rejoining the world

#terraria-modded

[small sail]

2-3 times

[fringe moat]

Then no idea
You’re just really unlucky

[small sail]

he just fing spawned

im sorry for bothering

how do i get terrarian role btw ?

[unborn veldt]

20 hours in, 2 pylons left to get, killed king slime, eoc, brain and deerclops

[small sail]

this is unbelievably complex

[unborn veldt]

not really

just speak

[fringe moat]

It’s literally just “talk this amount and you get it”

[warm spindle]

makes sence

[small sail]

lol i get it

[unborn veldt]

it just explains the xp system

[small sail]

i don't really understand why he wrote that much about it

[fringe moat]

That’s literally the minimum to explain it

Given if they just said 800-1k messages that would only be a half truth

[unborn veldt]

well it explains the base requirements, then the system by which you get these requirements, and finally tells you how to check progress

[fringe moat]

If they said 288.75 messages again half truth

[small sail]

expert eye of cthulhu with full platinum armor, plat bow (fire and jester arrow), trimarang, and a random 21 magic damage wand is enough ?

[fringe moat]

Just fight him and see how it goes

[small sail]

true

i maybe will get a musket while crafting the eye

nvm i got no bombs

[simple smelt]

Bcem privet

[tulip kindle]

Hi guys

I am pretty new in terraria :D

Can u guys tell me any good starter armor on classic

[deep yacht]

gold armour

[fringe moat]

Any Ore armours

[hallow flame]

gold/platinum is your best bet

[deep yacht]

best pre wall of flesh aromour i think

[tulip kindle]

Oh thanks

[deep yacht]

oh nvm just before wall of flesh use molten armour

[hallow flame]

depends on class

[fringe moat]

If Melee

[tulip kindle]

Yeah well i have played that game once to moonlord

With friend

[astral reef]

hey guys, who can help me beat terraria plz?

[fair patrol]

how do i get blood butcherer before bosses

[astral reef]

idk

brb i beated terraria 2 years back

and i forgot anyth

[strong epoch]

the only thing i dont like with the whole role system is that I just need help and its hard to explain without posting a picture

[maiden spade]

Ayo can someone help me with gem trees?

[last gull]

Help how?

[gritty monolith]

is gem hook or normal hook better

[strong epoch]

gem hooks have more reach, diamond being the best

[gritty monolith]

thx

what's best melee armor

[strong epoch]

if you mean in the game, then from what I can find, that would be the solar flare armor, it has the highest defense

depends on what you need that armor for @gritty monolith

[whole lark]

serious question

availability aside

is sky fracture good

heard a friend diss it

he says the dps is garb

I actually haven't tried it myself but I think if you aim it well it has some merit?

[sinful smelt]

after playing starbound for a bit, im now not used to terraria's controls :(

hopefully i can adjust

[final musk]

How can I like, not get 2 hit by the destroyer

[green mulch]

Some early wings and an arena might help 🤔

Destroyer is very difficult in early hardcore

[strong epoch]

I usually build a long sky platform (out of daybloom planters but you can use simple platforms too) with campfires and other stuff along it so I can fire down at it

[final musk]

Could you give me an arena design?

[flint bison]

Very good for twins and prime, can be nice for plant phase 1. It’s just a good premech weapon that doesn’t extend much past. It’s good for sure but in a balanced way

Flamelash is only better if you have literally the worst aim in the world. Also this person probably spams mana potions 😳

[sacred valve]

I found an exposed enchanted shrine but it isn't letting me attach a picture

[warm spindle]

ALRIGHTY

I just got back into terraria and i need tips for moon lord

doing expert mode btw

[green mulch]

I can't send any images because I do not have perms, but you should try making 5 layered floors of wooden platforms at least 12-20 blocks high

[forest pivot]

why does terraria crash when i play league of legends

[humble lion]

It's a sign

[forest pivot]

that i should stop playing terraria?

[humble lion]

nah, the other way around

but eh, suit youself

[rapid parrot]

Do yall think that hermes boots would still be good/usable if you couldnt upgrade them into spectre boots, lightning boots, etc

[final musk]

yeah

[whole adder]

Don't use cosmic car key

Use wings

And a platform

So much better for expert/master mode

Also try get master ninja gear if u can

[warm spindle]

yea i got the ninja gear

should i keep terraspark boots?

i feel like they wont be that useful

[buoyant ivy]

Which weapons should I use in master mode WoF (mage)

[whole adder]

If u got a good platform they would be very good

[warm spindle]

aight

[whole adder]

U currently pre hardmode then?

[buoyant ivy]

Ya

[whole adder]

Star cannon

[buoyant ivy]

I have demon scythe, water bolt , aqua scpter and flamelash

[warm spindle]

they did say mage

[whole adder]

Oh mage

Sry didn't see that

[warm spindle]

you should be good with those honestly

[whole adder]

What armour u got?

[buoyant ivy]

Ah alright then

Jungle

[whole adder]

And accessories?

[untold jewel]

my cloud stopped working

i lost so much stuff on my expert world 😭

[warm spindle]

is a hat/robe combo better than the pre-hard mode mage sets?

i think it might have higher damage but lower defence

[buoyant ivy]

Shild of cthulhu, lightning boots, worm scarf, blue horseshoe balloon, magnet flower

[whole adder]

If u got em warding u prob fine

Worm scarf is op so np

[buoyant ivy]

oh crap

none of them is warding

[whole adder]

Just reforge em

[buoyant ivy]

k

[whole adder]

The extra defence is useful

[warm spindle]

ah bee gun would be good to deal with the hungries

[vital condor]

can someone play with me please

[whole adder]

For something specifically?

[vital condor]

no, im bored

[whole adder]

K

[final musk]

https://i.imgur.com/AalbplV.png ffs

[vital condor]

can you host?

[whole adder]

Oh no that was a k as in a yes

[vital condor]

wdym

[buoyant ivy]

Alright done

Destroyed him with demon scythe

[vital condor]

can we play?

[small bramble]

bro why is meowmere so hard to drop

[deep yacht]

Fight him in expert for better drop chances

[ripe orchid]

I have Radiance mod plus infernum mod for calamity. Both of these mods rework the empress of light while inferum also rewords a bunch of other calamity bosses. But when it comes to the empress of light I want the Radiance rework and not infernum.

Is there a way to have the Radiance mod on a higher priority

[vital condor]

i can give it to you 🙂

[whole adder]

I still missed the part where moon lord started dropping 2 items

[whole adder]

Same I have 8 so if u need one come my way

[steel cosmos]

Does anyone know any good pink grass texture packs, i want all green grass to turn pink :(

Dm if so

[honest lagoon]

where should i mine a hellevator? not sure if i should do it next to or in my base which is on spawn /:

[whole adder]

Just do it near spawn tbh

[wise birch]

I’ve played terraria on Master mode and I was gathering materials. Picking right seed and on my first day till now I’ve killed king slime,eater worlds, eye of cuthulu and brain of cuthulu on my second day….

[honest lagoon]

ig ill just do it to the left of my housing

[whole adder]

Nice

[feral fractal]

who is brazil and wants to play steam terraria with mod come pv

[final musk]

bro, i was tryna find a voodoo demon to refight the WoF

but like, i ran into both a hallowed and crimson mimic.

i can barely take them on one at a time.

[warm spindle]

Common Ultra L

[final musk]

although that may be the case

i killed both and got a flying knife 😄

[white moss]

anyone tryna do a long term pt 13-16 preferably uk time but idm

[warm spindle]

just found a quadruple poisoned dice trap after opening a dead man's chest

[small bramble]

can u still give me?

[small bramble]

still can donate?

[trail pilot]

is there a way i can play with my cracked teraria friend

[minor wagon]

use an all item world

i suggest builder's workshop

[small bramble]

how?

how do i join a world like that

[minor wagon]

download it from steam's workshop

or use terrasavr

[honest lagoon]

how tf do i get past this stupid corruption literally cant explore to the left or right at certain points cos i keep dying to them flying mfs

[small bramble]

i play terraria with 0 mods

[minor wagon]

https://yal.cc/r/terrasavr/

its not a mod

[cold pumice]

i want to do calamity but it looks like im gonna have to sit down and learn 200 recipes to even start

[young gyro]

Try digging beneath it. Or build tracks above it.

[honest lagoon]

hm, alr ill try that thanks

[honest lagoon]

recipe browser.

[fallow oasis]

anyone down for some terraria?

[cold pumice]

whats that

[honest lagoon]

a mod that allows u to search up recipes or place an item in a slot and shows u the items u can craft using it

similar to the guide but portable and you dont need the item to see what is craftable

[spice berry]

pretty useful!

[cold pumice]

ohhh thats actually extremely useful ty

[honest lagoon]

anytime i play with mods, its a must, makes life so much easier when trying to figure out the uses for certain materials

[cold pumice]

ill use that when i start calamity but right now im getting destroyed by plantera 😔

[fallow oasis]

so true

[cold pumice]

yea a lot of mods ive seen look like they ahve insane crafting recipes

[cold pumice]

plantera so hard man i shouldnt ave done expert first playthru

[fallow oasis]

yeah that would make sence

[honest lagoon]

trust me, ive seen such complicated recipes and the mod just simplifies it for you

[hot wraith]

it's a must have mod for EVERY modded player

boss checklist is also up there along with magic storage

[cold pumice]

i see

is calamity hard because i cant even beat expert plantera soooo

kinda scared

might js play w friends

[hot wraith]

moderately hard

[honest lagoon]

ive only played pre hardmode with a friend and its not hard but its not easy so

[hot wraith]

though, i can't talk cuz i find it extremely easy

[honest lagoon]

prob much harder later on though

[teal minnow]

any one wanna do calamity mod

[hot wraith]

#archive-ltp

[teal minnow]

thanks did not know was there

[hot wraith]

yep

[cold pumice]

oh so u never beat vanilla but u can beat calamity

woah 😱

pre hardmode wasnt very hard besides WoF but even then it only took me 2 tries

[honest lagoon]

no i meant pre hardmode on calamity lmao

ive beat vanilla many times

[cold pumice]

OHHH

bro plantera is so damn HARD

the twins were pretty easy skelly took 1 try and destroyer was kinda hard bc it was beefy

but plantera

i actually cant

[scarlet blaze]

Plantera is ez

[cold pumice]

howww

[scarlet blaze]

What difficulty you on

[cold pumice]

she just spams me and when in 2nd form punks me into a corner and i die

expert

[scarlet blaze]

Oh ok yeah easy

What’s your armor?

And class

[cold pumice]

hallowed and ranger

using super star cannon and i have frost bow but i dont really use it for this fight

[scarlet blaze]

Why don’t you use chlorophyte armor

And you should use a mega shark with chlorophyte bullets too

Make a really big arena

With heart lanterns and campfires and heart statutes

And I guarantee it’ll be a piece of cake

[cold pumice]

i thought hallowed was better

[scarlet blaze]

Well that’s debatable

[cold pumice]

the arena was fat as FUCK

one of them was

the 3rd one in specific

😁

[scarlet blaze]

Hallowed can be better but I think it needs a specific combo

[cold pumice]

i had campfires and some lanterns

[scarlet blaze]

Chlorophyte with ranger helmet will probably be better for the fight

[cold pumice]

mmmmm

more def?

[minor wagon]

download recipe browser

it makes things much easier

[tawny glacier]

nah plantera easy af

just circle around her

[cold pumice]

i cant!!!

her 2nd stage

is to fast

[warm spindle]

any good seeds to make more use of the empty space above ground?

there's never been much variation in the height of ground level

at least not in my world

[honest lagoon]

ive never tried fighting king slime at night so my question is: does he spawn at night?

[hardy parrot]

i love terraria

its like 2d miencraft

[honest lagoon]

i underestimated king slime on master mode 😭

[hardy parrot]

bruh i hate queen slime

[tribal wren]

need help finding the styler in the spider cave

[cold pumice]

king slime is so free

[honest lagoon]

nah the guy just tped to me and 2 tapped me. maybe i need more health, havent found any life crystals yet /:

[cold pumice]

oh thts why

[obtuse otter]

just got the game last time i played goes back with my xbox 360 years ago but now im back to play and need help a little

[cold pumice]

w what

[honest lagoon]

you at least know the basics right? make housing, mine ores, make better gear.

[obtuse otter]

ya

[honest lagoon]

what u need help with

[obtuse otter]

my knoledge stop at the boss in jungle i think its a plant

[honest lagoon]

queen bee? or plantera?

[obtuse otter]

plantera but yeah i dont need much help its just boring alone

[honest lagoon]

ah

you could always go to #archive-ltp and find some others to play with

[obtuse otter]

okok good

[elfin trench]

am i the only one here who has crafted the terra blade before killing golem?

[mental pond]

no i did aswell

[wanton lava]

he is god awful in for the worthy

[honest lagoon]

ive never tried out that seed but ive heard bad things 😂

[warm spindle]

how do you get a mythrial anvil

[honest heart]

Mine mythril

Smelt it at a hell forge

In order to mine it you need palladium pickaxe OR cobalt pickaxe

[umbral cedar]

Noen norsk Terraria servere?

[strange saffron]

pc best 💪

[midnight plume]

Hiya, I was just wondering how people bypass the anti afk in 1.4. I am farming for a rod of discord. Thanks

[mighty solar]

auto clicker maybe?

[midnight plume]

do you have any recomendations? I am using linux mint

[mighty solar]

ye, js search up OPAutoClicker

[midnight plume]

okie cheers bro 🙂

[digital geode]

any tips on finding a truffle worm? been looking for ages

[midnight plume]

Make a long farming area. This usualy works for me!

[digital geode]

ok ty

[brave rose]

i cannot paste an image but i just dropped a rod of discord

[last ingot]

me when I play terraria with my freinds

[last gull]

<#terraria-pc message>
This looks.. different?
Only spawns if the player has moved less than 3px/sec? I thought the requirement was if the player is moving?

1.4.0.1 notes say very much the same;
"No longer spawns if the player has been stationary for a while."
Is it, like, between 2 values then? 0<M<3px/sec (where M is player movement) is really slow.

[mental pond]

So do you gotta be moving or stationary for them to spawn

[last gull]

The general rule for as long as I've been playing 2D block game is movement -- they spawn when the player is moving. Before 1.4, hooks counted towards this (I'm unaware of whether this changed or not).

But Wiki is giving conflicting information in that regard

Waiting to hear from another community on it; few people other than myself that have sunk a few thousand hours into game.

If it comes to it I'll just decompile but I'd rather not kek

Enchanted Sword page says...

[coral halo]

yeah I wonder why it has that 3px thing then

[last gull]

That's like, abysmally slow

5 seconds of moving that slow wouldn't even get you as far as single tile

That requires some non-insignificant amount of setup to have reliably

Frog Leg gives the player a larger velocity than that, minecarts automatically stop below a certain speed threshold, grapples aren't full AFK-able, and hoiks aren't counted as velocity, so you're either using a flying mount, or you're in hallow-tundra, submerged in water, with honey underneath you.

Think I found it

- Chaos Elementals will not spawn if:
+ Chaos Elementals will only spawn if the following conditions are fulfilled:
```Other conditions were correctly negated, but not the last one.

[honest lagoon]

why tf is a goblin army spawning when im struggling to kill king slime or eye of cthulhu

they literally kill me on spawn 😭

[tacit merlin]

any1 looking to play?

[last gull]

Did you try asking #archive-ltp, the channel very literally and clearly labelled and dedicated to the purpose of LTP requests?

[harsh kite]

guys

do yall aproove this as a hospital sign

bro

[last gull]

No Terrarian role?

See #terraria-creations pins

[warm spindle]

Any1 wanting to game on modded terraria

[static pasture]

spinach

[glacial wing]

I just got 5 ancient necro helmets while trying to get a tally counter im so done with this game

[warm spindle]

yo anyone got some spare range class gear they can spare please

[meager acorn]

I kept inching towards it to be careful not to over and 1000 hours baby

[steel relic]

im `

10

years old

[wanton gulch]

Hollow knight gun

[final musk]

https://i.imgur.com/TmufAjC.png

What should i do next??? I can't do any of the mech bosses atm and im stuck on what to go for

[ripe orchid]

How do i change the priority of the mods loaded?

[sage ingot]

anyone brazilian?

[tulip rune]

I am in steam and when I click play it just doesnt work

[last gull]

Close and reopen Steam, check and make sure you don't have Terraria already running in the background.

[whole lark]

does its high crit chance make it usable despite its low base damage?

[coral halo]

a weapon's goodness isn't about it's base damage or anything

[whole lark]

my friend's saying that it's not a great weapon because

• you only actually get it if V's hallow spawns on desert (unreliable availability)
• it has low base damage but many hardmode enemies have high defense

so I'm wondering if it's good or bad

[coral halo]

• you can make an artificial desert hallow
• high fire-rate, also you usually have magic armor and accessories that boost your damage to where that is not much of a problem

it's the second best option behind orange zapinator for twins and prime for mage

[whole lark]

• artificial desert hallow is possible pre-mech but takes time (manually planting hallow blocks)

[sinful helm]

terraria 1.1 really hits different

[whole lark]

ah, so that's the thing. damage boosts make it bypass armor?

makes a lot of sense

[storm valley]

mathew is bald. more bald than mr clean

[coral halo]

I mean their defense will still lower your damage, but most enemies don't have above 30-40 defense

[whole lark]

and one of the least convenient things ever is prolonging the clentamination process (though this is just a gripe)

[hybrid trout]

am not

[storm valley]

and he is very very bald

[whole lark]

ah.

[hybrid trout]

i am bald.

[soft notch]

What’s a good weapon to defeat eow?

[whole lark]

evil bow + jester arrows

aim straight for the body

[soft notch]

K

[whole lark]

what class are you

[soft notch]

Doesn’t jester arrows go through enemy’s

[whole lark]

yes

it goes through every segment

[soft notch]

I’m melee/ranger/mage

[whole lark]

aight

you're also /summoner

[soft notch]

Ik it’s weird

[whole lark]

(add in a minion to boost your dps)

[soft notch]

I’m not a summoner

[whole lark]

even non-summoners are summoners

free DPS

[soft notch]

I don’t have any summoner animals to summon

[whole lark]

ah

dw, you'll find something eventually

[soft notch]

I would be a summoner but can’t find a staff

[whole lark]

hornet staff / imp staff from hellstone / vrogstaff from fishing in blood moons and killing the minibosses

if you don't mind fishing in blood moons and fighting something that's an absolute pain in the ass

yeah

it got a summon weapon and a bow

pre-HM daedalus stormbow LOL

[soft notch]

The bow I have is gold

How

[whole lark]

nice

if you killed EoC

[soft notch]

It’s mid

[whole lark]

you should have access to demon bow

[soft notch]

I don’t know if I don’t get bee gernades then I won’t fight wof

[whole lark]

hard session

[whole lark]

difficulty?

[soft notch]

Wof is hard enough with are the little mouths and laser

[soft notch]

Master

[whole lark]

must've been doing too much stuff for dryad

[whole lark]

ah. good luck.

[soft notch]

Ok

Ik

I only beat king slime and eye of cuthlu

I THOUGHT I WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO BEAT Skletron but I was wrong

[whole lark]

I beat skeeltron with thunder zapper so idt you might be too undergeared

(expert)

(not master)

tbf I was running BoHB

[soft notch]

I have gold helmet then ninja chest plate and pants

[whole lark]

oh.

I thought you were running an actual armor set

I was running wizhat + diamond robe + jungle greaves

[soft notch]

No wait I don’t have ninja chestplate

I have a magic robe as chest plate

[whole lark]

gold helm kinda gigi

[soft notch]

Some how I was able to get a golden rabbit and caught it

So I made it into food

And got an achievement

[whole lark]

nice!

[sour mauve]

Daytime EoL is the easiest boss of all time because every player who's ever won never got hit in the fight

[quaint flume]

Oh yeah

So easy man it’s insane

[whole lark]

such good logic

unbelievably irrefutable

[merry bough]

well

invincibility machines

[quaint flume]

Yeah it’s amazing how easy eol is in daytime

[quaint flume]

Naw just don’t get hit

[strong epoch]

too bad shimmer strats aren't still a thing

[quaint flume]

Yeah it’s depressing lol

[merry bough]

how was that done?

[strong epoch]

tbf it was kinda broken

[quaint flume]

You could fall through the world and be invincible

[strong epoch]

you just fill in the blocks below the shimmer all the way down and she couldn't hit you

but your summons could

[sour mauve]

there's no need judging by how easy the fight is

[quaint flume]

You’ve got a fair point

[strong epoch]

do people still just build a long railway for her? that's how I saw someone defeat it last time I watched a video on it

[quaint flume]

Yeah that still works most the time

I haven’t played in a few months tho

[strong epoch]

I thought that would make you too fast to actually hit, I'll have to try it out I guess and see how it works, I'm still in the middle of setting up for plantera and then I'll do eol and fishiron

[quaint flume]

Yeah good luck with her

It depends what class you’re playing on if you can hit eol

[whole lark]

summoner be like

[strong epoch]

I'm playing mage so I feel like it won't be a problem

[whole lark]

I feel like the game shits on summoner by a decently large margin

[quaint flume]

I normally play melee so I gota use damn boomerangs

[whole lark]

for one thing, summoner is basically true melee

[whole lark]

don't you have access to tblade post-plantera

[whole lark]

with a bit more range

[quaint flume]

I completely forgot about this xD

And it’s post golem

[strong epoch]

lol

[whole lark]

summoner is like

low defense

low damage

low range

you wouldn't believe it, but ranger and mage outdamage summoner

and obviously if you facetank then melee also outdamages by a large margin

[strong epoch]

summoner does look fun to play I've never played one post hm though

[quaint flume]

True

[flint bison]

You’re right I wouldn’t

Summoner damage is not low whatsoever

You ever use at least 2 whips?

[whole lark]

mages actually outdamage summoner

[flint bison]

When

[whole lark]

even with whipstack

[flint bison]

(Rarely)

[whole lark]

I mean if you're running betsy's wrath + razorpine whatever

that's post-plant

post-golem

but like

[flint bison]

at that stage you have kaleidoscope and morning star and xeno staff

[whole lark]

ig in plantera you can run shadwoflame hex doll

[flint bison]

What

[whole lark]

still outdamages

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUQwAdyAAIY

3+ whipstacking

[strong epoch]

to be fair I was playing a half-mage, half-summoner for a while and then got the optic staff as well which was fun

in early hardmode

[whole lark]

I mean the margin isn't high per se for mage & ranger but it does surprise me

[strong epoch]

6 eyes are op af

[last gull]

Yeah, think I agree with Victoria here.
Generally speaking, yes, summoners have.. somewhat powerful options, and are inarguably the most fun class to play, but lowest defence and closest proximity is a pretty big deal.

Not to mention other classes having their own set(s) of tools

You could run melee speed with whips, instead of damage and whatever, but at that point, you'd get better bonuses from playing melee than summoner

[flint bison]

wait, was I blind or there was no sentry used

[whole lark]

I mean you can bypass the low defense aspect by running a tanky set but like

sad

[strong epoch]

I would agree, it seems like they don't have as many class specific stuff... which is kinda sad, I was considering playing one for this run specifically

[whole lark]

they don't do much in fast boss fights due to aggro range

but still

a bit more could be done

[whole lark]

yeah :(

[flint bison]

You can place 3 without ooa sets so uh

Spreading them around

[last gull]

2?

[flint bison]

the accessory

Is very worth

[last gull]

Yes, one accessory, what is other from?

[flint bison]

Default and war table

[whole lark]

war table + accessory?

still an accessory slot

but

[flint bison]

But eh

[whole lark]

yeah sure

[last gull]

War table? Does that do a thing now?

[flint bison]

What’s

[whole lark]

dark mage drop

[last gull]

I know what it is damnit

[strong epoch]

dark mage?

[last gull]

It was solely a furniture item for some 3 years or smth

[flint bison]

dang

[last gull]

Does it do something now?

[whole lark]

yes

[flint bison]

Yep

[whole lark]

bwitching table for sentry

[last gull]

Okay, that's what I needed to hear. Makes sense

[warm spindle]

What do I do if they don't spawn sharks?, To make the mega shark

[flint bison]

Uh

Statue I guess

Or increase spawns

[whole lark]

wait for sandstorm, go into desert

sand sharks also drop fins

[last gull]

Find statue, or consider actually visiting your oceans.

[strong epoch]

oh it's the old one's army stuff, I always forget that's a thing

[flint bison]

That’s a thing I guess

[flint bison]

Wow your loss

[warm spindle]

ok thank you all

[whole lark]

^

[last gull]

True, honestly. DD2 event sucks to farm, but like, decent ish stuff from town NPC

Only good loot drops are the accessories.

[whole lark]

ballista good

also

aerial bane

tome of infinite sus

[last gull]

Ballista isn't loot drop

[flint bison]

Betsys wrath and flying dragon and wings

A

[silver obsidian]

decentish??????

[strong epoch]

I got so tired of waiting for sandstorms.... all those forbidden shards..... took so long

[last gull]

Flying dragon or terra, you tell me.

[silver obsidian]

all betsy weapons are good skydragon is mid though

[flint bison]

Best sets

[flint bison]

Uh, flying dragon lol

[whole lark]

yeah true

[silver obsidian]

op armor op weapknop everything

[whole lark]

flying dragon has insane damage at close range

[last gull]

Someone likes to hide behind tiles, have you considered the other half of melee weapons?

[silver obsidian]

and far

[silver obsidian]

….

[whole lark]

electrospheres are alright

[silver obsidian]

uve never used it have u

[flint bison]

Someone likes to ignore that the damage is simply higher and I’m not even thinking about walls

[silver obsidian]

its the aword

not the stick

[last gull]

I have, and it sucks by comparison, I am telling you definitively

[flint bison]

[silver obsidian]

me when the flying dragon outcompetes daybreak

[silver obsidian]

perhaps pre buff

it got buffed hard in 1.4.4

[whole lark]

oh wait

flying dragon is the

the projectile sword

[silver obsidian]

i told u

[flint bison]

Yes

[silver obsidian]

sword not stick

[whole lark]

I thought you were talking about sky dragon fury

[last gull]

Alright, I'll go get numbers.
If I'm right tho.

[whole lark]

this thing shreds btw

[flint bison]

okay moonlord testing was done though

[silver obsidian]

but u srent

[whole lark]

as far as projectile swords go

I prefer influx

[flint bison]

What

[whole lark]

more dps

[flint bison]

what

[whole lark]

for single target

[silver obsidian]

influx has less dos ans is harder to hit

pretty sure

[whole lark]

?? does it have more

last time I checkd

[silver obsidian]

pretty sure dragon has more

[flint bison]

Gonna get muted for repeating

[whole lark]

oh wow

time to convert to betsy church

[flint bison]

You’re very confusing I go now

worship dragon

[whole lark]

our new god

[silver obsidian]

i also learned betsy weath does a bunch of dps by otself

[strong epoch]

dragons are cool

[silver obsidian]

even though its op support too

[whole lark]

yeah

-40 defense

right

[strong epoch]

I wish there was dragon mount in this game

[whole lark]

bwrath razorpine

[strong epoch]

i would use it all the time

[whole lark]

pigron:

cute fishron:

[last gull]

You know what, I see. They did hard buff dragon lmfao. Needed it

540dps (ooa sword) to ~300 (terra)

[silver obsidian]

300?

damn hard nerf

some pre hm weapon

[last gull]

Labelling*

[silver obsidian]

ok what

540 woth the flyingd ragons???372)2

[whole lark]

lmao

[silver obsidian]

howd u donthat

with a good setup that does 9k

[whole lark]

no buffs right

[last gull]

You don't test with setup my man

[whole lark]

^

you test with no gear

[last gull]

Damage × (60/UseTime)

[strong epoch]

okay those are kinda cute, feels like a nerf though with the unicorn mount and butterfly wings

[whole lark]

btw

y'all

[last gull]

Testing ingame is cute, but inconsistent

[whole lark]

blood thorn or sf hex doll

[silver obsidian]

testing without gear is rlly idiotic

and i have a good reason

bc its more accurate

and defense exists

[last gull]

Sure, but those are all multipliers

[silver obsidian]

and the fact the dragons projectile is timed not from melee speed

huge thing giving terrablade a advantage (still worse)

[last gull]

Rather, all effects that can be applied equally*

[whole lark]

this though

[silver obsidian]

no… doesnt work like that in real situation

[whole lark]

you should try to test it with melee speed imo

because that's terra blade's edge

hah, get it?

[silver obsidian]

which it still cant deliver hehe

but uh defense exists

[last gull]

Terra got 25% speed modifier didn't it? Or was it 33%?

[silver obsidian]

it was nerfed where all melee speed buffs are 75% effective

[flint bison]

Nerf to melee speed bonuses?

[strong epoch]

I thought terrablade would be fast as frick

[whole lark]

iinteresting

[silver obsidian]

but yeah dont do math

do real testing

[strong epoch]

considering it's a near-end game sword

[last gull]

Desktop 1.4.4.8: Reduced the benefits from melee speed stat bonuses by 25%.

[flint bison]

Yes

[lyric plank]

Rip terrablade

[silver obsidian]

just like how u usually dont go about using air resistance in lower level science calculations

[flint bison]

100-25 = 75

[silver obsidian]

[flint bison]

Nah it’s still really nice

[merry bough]

WHAT

[strong epoch]

rip that's kinda sad

[silver obsidian]

by 25 not to 25

its not like that detrimental

[whole lark]

3/4 is still a decent amount

[last gull]

Sure, but still, little sad that it needed that to be balanced rather than, "huh, maybe melee speed is a very strong stat, and should be harder to stack"

[silver obsidian]

thing was broken

[flint bison]

Rather balance one weapon than a whole stat

Of course

[last gull]

Yes, I'm aware

[whole lark]

re-logic and balancing

[silver obsidian]

it was fun stacking melee speed on it

[whole lark]

(summoner is still crying)

[last gull]

Fix the underlying issue, not the crack in the road above the sinkhole

[flint bison]

How is melee speed an issue overall

it was truly a terra moment

[whole lark]

I am curious

violent vs menacing ?

[silver obsidian]

melee speed is weaker than dmg alot of times outside a select few

most have nerfed melee speed bonuses

[last gull]

There's like 10-20 weapons that have specific exemptions, and whip stacking was also a huge issue as far as being a melee speed buff

[whole lark]

(they fixed it)

you can't whipstack into melee anymore in 1.4.4 iirc

[flint bison]

they said was

[silver obsidian]

yeah

[whole lark]

I lvoe balancing talk

[flint bison]

🆗

[last gull]

If you like that fix, more power to you

I am telling you it was lame, and there was an objectively better approach. But that's me.

[silver obsidian]

what kick melee speed into the ground instead?

it already sucks besides a slight select few

[last gull]

Because if you need to make that many exceptions to the rule, it's maybe time to reconsider how it's structured

[silver obsidian]

what rule

its just a nerf

[last gull]

Plus, if it already sucks, then people aren't going to use it anyway. Alternatively, changing how those things work so that it is useful, is also a good solution

[whole lark]

what's the diff between high melee speed and high damage

I really don't get it here

[silver obsidian]

high dmg tends to be better as its versatile and better vs defense

[last gull]

what rule
Generally, melee speed (and other such modifiers) are applied without change.
Again, however, several items instead go in and apply what in the programning world is called a "hack." It's not literally "hacking" in the standard idea, as much as it is hijacking standard behaviour

[silver obsidian]

nerfing synergy seems fine to me

like stormbow

[last gull]

The whips were maybe somewhat sensible, I digress, but I don't think extinguishing player creativity is a good approach

Like, "hey, we found this interaction that syngerises well" into "well it no longer works"
Do you disagree that it's extremely dissatisfying?

[whole lark]

it sort of is

but only if it's like

nasty good

[last gull]

I'm saying let it exist, but make it such that it's not so brokenly overpowered by comparison

[whole lark]

subtle interactions like whipstacking shouldn't be nerfed

same goes for ichor / betsy support

[whole lark]

is that not the case with daeda holy?

[last gull]

Yes, I think that was a fine idea. It's still good, it's just not stupidly good

[silver obsidian]

daedalus holy is bad

[last gull]

Since the changes applied universally -- it's not restricted to one thing

Bad maybe by your testing, which is why you don't use testing unless you can create a method that is consistent, reliable, and accurate, with clear and unambiguous steps to repeat.

[warm spindle]

guys what to do at the start of hardmode

[whole lark]

get some new weapons

[warm spindle]

alr

any more tips?

[flint bison]

The steps are hit the boss throughout the fight. You don’t need to repeat the exact movements of the boss to be accurately hitting the boss in different attempts. Not gonna do a damage test and just follow a distinct firing pattern and get angry at the videogame for not having the boss move there, shooting the air. Aim

[warm spindle]

nvm

[flint bison]

Did you break altars yet?

[whole lark]

get some new armor

get some souls

get some wings

and try not to die

[warm spindle]

oka ty

[last gull]

Yes, good. Very consistent, all players have the same skill, the same range of motion, the same experiences, builds, etc. and there is zero significant rng involved

[warm spindle]

Just building some NPC houses and building a plantera farm and I'll enter hardmode

[flint bison]

Are you okay I’m genuinely confused

[last gull]

No, but that's unrelated.

[flint bison]

Whether you suck or not an attack will do the same damage if it is hitting

Okay sorry

[last gull]

I wish it did the same damage

[flint bison]

And if you are comparing weapons you will use the same build

Obv

And not.. no build

[last gull]

Meant build there as in structure, what's the area you're using, not the setup

Gear is easy enough to replicate from one player to another

Arenas are less standardized

[flint bison]

👁️

That is an issue that would affect literally any weapon that player used though

[whole lark]

I think you're just asking for the absolute here

and not the relative

[last gull]

Yes, exactly. It's not replicatable

I wish it did the same damage
Terraria rolls a lot of random for weapon damage.
First, it determines the base attack damage, which as I recall is +/-10%. If you have positive or negative luck, it will roll that twice and take the higher/lower of those two rolls.
Then, it rolls to determine crit. Do you crit? Luck causes multiple rolls here.
I'd need to check, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of random in AI movement and states, where does it go to, which attack does it use, etc.

[whole lark]

that's what I mean by

relative

you know

[flint bison]

Think it’s +-15

[whole lark]

you take the average

[flint bison]

wait

[warm spindle]

hi

[flint bison]

Hi

[last gull]

You can have a sample size of 30 and pretend it's normal, sure.

[flint bison]

You’re 2468 years old

[last gull]

Tell me when you feel like killing golem 30 times consecutively under the same conditions, and running stats on it

Or whatever your boss of choice is

[whole lark]

point is that you can't get that level of precision

[flint bison]

would you not just

Take averages

[last gull]

Yes, that is the point I am making, thank you Victoria

[flint bison]

Also If one is consistently worse in every run

[whole lark]

and how far are you willing to go to get the level of absolute precision you would want

[humble mural]

i got a copy of terraria on steam gifted from someone and i cant redeem it because different country, am i allowed to just give it away to anyone in that country

[flint bison]

uh

What countries

[humble mural]

mexico

and a bunch of others

its from mexico

[warm spindle]

change country

[last gull]

You can't be consistent about testing ingame, which is why I advocate the use of calculations to give clear estimates for performance.
I won't say it's perfect, but it's going to be an easier, faster, and much more reliable, and repeatable process.

[flint bison]

shouldn’t that be the normal uh

[whole lark]

I agree yes

[humble mural]

i need a method of purchase from mexico

[whole lark]

but like

yeah

then that makes a lot of sense

[last gull]

"How did you get X value"
"Well, I ran these calculations. *clear list of directions and functions*"

[flint bison]

If my method is inconsistent it’ll be also inconsistent to just show the non moving target’s damage taken

Wouldn’t it

That doesn’t take velocity or distance or range or risk

[last gull]

That's very possible, I can't deny that. But theory is, while not always directly applicable, still very helpful in understanding what approach you should take

[flint bison]

welp

[last gull]

We don't run tests on nuclear fission to see if something explodes, we run it under simpler simulations.
That is, of course, taken to the extreme, but I think that's the same idea that should be applied here.

[flint bison]

Basically no dps test is gonna be too accurate if they’re remotely similar data (?)

well depends

My brain is melting I feel like I should not be on my phone

[last gull]

You can run stats on 30+ sets of collected data, and that is really the only way you get something reliable.

[flint bison]

🆗

[last gull]

By some normal theorem of statistics that I've forgotten now, that allows you to ""take the average"" of your data

[flint bison]

i may or may not have brought that up but thx for the sarcasm

[last gull]

I know, but I want to highlight that it's not really an average in the typical sense

There are conditions that need to be fulfilled to begin with, and it's some calculations on distributions, not an average

[flint bison]

oh. Maybe this is more accurate than I thought then

[last gull]

Sorry, I.. I do that a lot.
I do really want to help with understanding, and I want to explain what my own concerns are about certain methods that are accepted as gospel.
Lot of new players get lost in the showcase of how something looks, when there is maybe information that would be more helpful, and they could find, for themselves.
I'm just as prone to mistakes, and I'm really glad that y'all are willing to point that out, really, it's important. :>

[dry venture]

i am literally on my last fishing quest before i get supreme helper minion, and a goblin army shows up and kills the angler before i have a chance to complete it -_-

[last gull]

RIP

How many hours you at?

[flint bison]

Supreme helper is overall quests right? Could do another world unless goblins are super quick for you

[dry venture]

and with that rude interruption out of the way, i finally have it. supreme helper minion. i now have 100% of the achievements in terraria

[flint bison]

Ooo

[flint bison]

Don’t ask why I thought goblins could possibly be a long fight

When you have every other achievement

[last gull]

Nice. I have 113/115 currently, not a fan of the remaining 2.

[flint bison]

Is there one for 100% bestiary

[last gull]

There should be, honestly, but there isn't

[dry venture]

lemme guess, supreme helper minion and and good riddance?

[last gull]

lol no

SHM was a while ago, and good riddance was something I did for fun for some time anyway

Nah I have slime NPCs and deer left

Screw the both of them

[flint bison]

deer lol

[dry venture]

wait deerclops? he's like the easiest boss ever

[flint bison]

Committed

[last gull]

Dude, I.. I suck ass at that boss

[flint bison]

I mean same

[dry venture]

just use a completed character

[humble lion]

just spawn him in a finished world and zenith his ass

[warm spindle]

"grubby is the hardest boss"
terraria overhaul:

[warm spindle]

A platform above him and sheild of c dash is all you need

Even melee that would probably worm

Wor

K

[dry venture]

also i can understand the slime one. getting that frog was a pain in the butt

[last gull]

Yeah but like, lame.
Would rather publicly boycott that than finish it. I didn't like dst crossover -- not because dst is a bad game, I just don't like anything it added, save for maybe the pet.

[flint bison]

stickers auto sending:

[last gull]

Stickers were a mistake I swear

[warm spindle]

The constant seed is okay

[warm spindle]

was it dst specifically or just ds

[last gull]

It was specified as DST, but I couldn't tell you

I've never played either, but I think the idea's cute, and the team is doing what they can to keep it up to date

[warm spindle]

aight
it's basically the same game but respawns characters and slight changes

[last gull]

The constant seed is okay
Save for ram-eating screen shader, hunger being kept track of as debuff rather than what could sensibly be a resource bar, it's forced onto the player for the "everything" world, and it's seed-locked

Yeah otherwise it's fine.

[vital citrus]

The constant seed reminds me how little I want to play Don't starve.

[last gull]

See that I can't help with.
I'm sorry the game wasn't for you. I get it though, we all have things we like vs dislike.

[tiny badge]

Not anymore.

[last gull]

Maybe misread question?

Or did they nerf it even harder when I wasn't looking?

Looking at wiki page, they did nerf it in a way that I didn't notice.
Shame on them. I mean, the fact that I didn't notice is maybe cause to say it doesn't matter, but also, shame!

[humble lion]

both daed and the holy arrows were nerfed lol
the combo got a double whammy

[last gull]

When using Holy, Unholy, Hellfire, or Jester arrows, the bow shoots an average of 2.66 arrows per second instead of the normal average of 3.33 arrows per second

Not just item stat nerfs

[humble lion]

hmm

triple whammy?

[last gull]

I guess, that's like, really lame.
Something ig I'll patch out in rewrite.

[silver obsidian]

i made this a while ago

The Daedalus Stormbow was powerful in 1.3 vs. The Destroyer. That was 3 years ago. Now its terrible with holy arrows and mediocre with unholy. This is because of many nerfs: The Stormbow already changes its 33% changes to get a extra arrow to having one less arrow with holy arrows (on average thats from 3.33 arrows per second to 2.66) , the base damage went from 43 to 38. The stars spawned went from losing half their damage to dealing 33% of the original damage (100% -> 33% damage) and also lost their piercing, an important advantage against The Destroyer.

So in total it lost ~11.6% damage, (always had this): ~20.1% speed, and ~83.3% of the original potential damage on stars due to the lost piercing and damage

[last gull]

Destroyer as only target here?

[silver obsidian]

yea only focusing on it

not other bosses

[humble lion]

that's what the combo was originally used for, and why people thought it was good in the first place

[last gull]

So it gets less piercing damage. Did you try single target?

[silver obsidian]

what we tlaking abt

these are the nerfs its gotten