Dell Precision M6800 - Quadro K3100M x HD4600 | Gentoo Linux Community | Page 1

nova herald May 13, 2023, 11:10 PM

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Hi, I have a Dell Precision M6800 with an MxM Quadro K3100M, but also the iGPU on the i7 4710MQ - the HD4600.

Gentoo is definitely recognising and using the iGPU, however I have no clue if it is or is even able to use the Quadro. I've installed NVIDIA Drivers Version 420 which hasn't given any incompatibility errors however still I have no clue if it has the ability to swap between it and the iGPU or even initialise it in the first place.

Having NVIDIA Control Panel would most certainly help here since that way I can make it prioritise the card however NVIDIA X Server settings doesn't really do the same stuff from what I can see and like I also can't seem to find any way of getting NVIDIA Control Panel to work.

Neofetch does pick up the Quadro however it's not in the KDE system specs menu and I just genuinely can't tell what's doing what here or how to make it work properly.

If you can't tell I've never had a laptop with a dGPU before now, and the last time I even did Linux on an NVIDIA card was with my 1060 and Arch quite a while back, and the older cards like these are just worse to work with again and then it being a laptop with an iGPU also included adds yet another layer of confusion...

If none of this makes sense I apologise it's stupidly late right now

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hard raft May 14, 2023, 3:42 AM

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helo

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welcome to having graphics card in a laptop

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here are some common information tools that can provide lots of information about the status of your GPUs

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dmesg
lspci -vnn
lsmod
cat /etc/modprobe.d/*
cat /etc/default/grub
glxinfo -B
vulkaninfo --summary

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the above are all applicable to all GPUs in some way or another, and for the case of NVIDIA specifically, if you are able to use nvidia-smi as well, then usually it means your proprietary NVIDIA driver is installed and running

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these are also all mostly distro-agnostic and do apply to Gentoo. if you are able to install the packages providing those commands into Gentoo, then if you upload their stdout to a pastebin (to adapt my pastebin recommendation to the specific support channel as usual, here it would likely be https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wgetpaste, though I haven't used that much) and send the pastebin links here, I will be able to evaluate your configuration and tell you as much as I can confirm about it

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in order to choose which GPU is used to render any particular application, unfortunately the hardware wiring of the MxM card to the CPU and monitor through the motherboard can wildly vary by manufacturer, model and era especially for NVIDIA and I suspect that many solutions do not work perfectly on every device ever made. however you can read these articles for an overview of the situation on Gentoo https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NVIDIA/Optimus https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hybrid_graphics

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The majority of my experience with the NVIDIA proprietary driver in systems with both Intel and NVIDIA has been with a ASUS K53SV motherboard containing NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M and Intel Core i7-2630QM

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On that system, most of the time when I wanted to force to use of the NVIDIA GPU for anything, I would force it for everything in the entire system by applying this configuration found on the Arch Wiki, which I believe is safely distro-agnostic because it consists of only xorg.conf and xrandr settings and I have known it to work on Debian. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA_Optimus#Use_NVIDIA_graphics_only

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In my experience, with all AMD GPUs using open source drivers, configuring xorg.conf is usually unnecessary,

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In direct contrast to my experience with NVIDIA, where I don't think I have ever once a single time successfully used an NVIDIA GPU with the proprietary driver without precisely micromanaging xorg.conf

hard raft May 14, 2023, 4:12 AM

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hard raft On that system, most of the time when I wanted to force to use of the NVIDIA GPU...

I can also confirm that configuration works on Microsoft Surface Book 2 with Core i7-8650U and NVIDIA GTX 1050 (Mobile), to force Xorg and all its clients to use NVIDIA GPU only.

hard raft May 14, 2023, 4:33 AM

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forgot to mention that glxinfo -B should connect to a Xorg server so is best run unprivileged, while all the others may be run as root

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in the case of vulkaninfo, I have a AMD FirePro M5100 from the same era that is able to use Vulkan well when configured correctly - but it's AMD. Google tells me that some people have been able to enable Vulkan with Quadro K3100M on GNU/Linux, but I suspect that too will likely not instantly work for you.

nova herald May 14, 2023, 12:21 PM

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aha, thank you - lemme start it up and mess with some of this stuff

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well nvidia-smi works so that's good

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right just did some of that stuff, just rebooting now see what happens

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yeah thats not quite gone to plan, i have just a black screen

nova herald May 14, 2023, 12:57 PM

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right a hot moment later i'm back to having an actual display output

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give me a moment to try run something and see what card it initialises with

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Interesting

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@hard raft

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this is interesting lol

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this is that minecraft error

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glxinfo -B

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right so it would appear to be on the quadro but without hw accel?

paper field May 14, 2023, 3:44 PM

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what kernel are you using? dist?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 3:44 PM

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yeah

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just standard dist

paper field May 14, 2023, 3:44 PM

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good

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makes testing easier

nova herald May 14, 2023, 3:44 PM

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indeed

paper field May 14, 2023, 3:44 PM

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followed the wiki to install?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 3:45 PM

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nein, xartin's stage 4 desktop tarball

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i installed on my E7440 a while back, still the same installation just on my precision

paper field May 14, 2023, 3:45 PM

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ok try following the wiki to see if it fixes it

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~wiki nvidia

opal gobletBOT May 14, 2023, 3:45 PM

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nvidia

Nvidia

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Nvidia

Nvidia-drivers

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Nvidia-drivers

Nvidia GPU passthrough with QEMU on Lenovo ThinkPad P53

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Nvidia_GPU_passthrough_with_QEMU_on_Lenovo_ThinkPad_P53

paper field May 14, 2023, 3:46 PM

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make sure you check what driver supports your card too

nova herald May 14, 2023, 3:46 PM

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already got a driver installed that supports the card, to my knowledge

paper field May 14, 2023, 3:46 PM

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after that show us what happens

nova herald May 14, 2023, 3:46 PM

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at least it didnt throw any errors

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ok

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will do

paper field May 14, 2023, 3:46 PM

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This is best troubleshooting to see where to look next

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I like xartin and he is a good user but I still wouldn't trust his stage4

nova herald May 14, 2023, 3:50 PM

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from a security pov?

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or just like for graphics cards and hardware

paper field May 14, 2023, 3:51 PM

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that too

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plus you won't learn if someone else does it for you and where is the fun in that?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 3:51 PM

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already done it before

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this was purely from a compile times standpoint on the e7440

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this machine now would be better

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but yeah back when i did the laptop build originally i didnt want to spend hours just getting a base systek

paper field May 14, 2023, 3:52 PM

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what cflags are set?

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out of interest

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and what's your specs

nova herald May 14, 2023, 3:53 PM

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i7-4710MQ, K3100M, HD4600, 28gb DDR3L (dont ask)

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E7440 was i5-4300U, HD4400, 16GB DDR3L

paper field May 14, 2023, 3:58 PM

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ssd?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:05 PM

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yep

SanDisk 512GB (Win11) (SATA)
SK Hynix 240GB (Gentoo) (mSATA)

Hitachi 750GB 7200RPM (Storage) (SATA)

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E7440 was:

SK Hynix 240GB (Gentoo) (mSATA) (same install)
Samsung 256GB (Win10) (mSATA)

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oh yeah lol I also have 2 wifi adapters in it - the all in 1 dell bluetooth+wireless adapter, and a second wifi adapter in the cellular wwan port which is just wireless, since supposedly gentoo doesnt support the original dell one and i want the bluetooth support

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:09 PM

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should be pretty fast then for gentoo

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outside of the normal trouble compiles

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:11 PM

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yup

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:13 PM

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anyway what cflags?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:13 PM

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ummmmmm

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ahem

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pretty sure I broke it more or something

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let me hop into a tty rq and check cflags

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I apologise I can't take a direct screen snap lol

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paper field May 14, 2023, 4:15 PM

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I hate you 😛

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:15 PM

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thanks

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okay

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:15 PM

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You must watch the video now

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:16 PM

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oh dear

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what video

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:16 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNaOkeACtDY

YouTube

Immolo

Think of the Support People

Dedicated to _Shawn

A light-hearted jab at all the blurry images Linux people get sent while doing free support!
Please don't send them as they make our lives so much harder to help you, so read the error and see what you need to send us via a pastebin service.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wgetpaste

▶ Play video

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:16 PM

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what did I do

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Oh right

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Taking phone pics

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Sorry I cant do much about that rn

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:16 PM

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nova herald

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It's further borked than before

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:16 PM

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It's a joke showing the pain we have to go through trying to help others 😛

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:16 PM

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Lmao sorry

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:17 PM

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It's fine, I know why you did it

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:17 PM

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yeah lol

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:17 PM

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But you system would benefit with some tweaks to make it run better

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:17 PM

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Most likely yes lol

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:18 PM

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We can do that later when we both have time

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:18 PM

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These are also the use flags and video flags etc while im here despite it not being clear

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:18 PM

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paper field We can do that later when we both have time

Yeah

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:18 PM

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I'll show you the best ways and why then you can pick whats best for you and why we do it

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be loads of fun

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:19 PM

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yippee

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I need to probably do work on my main systems Gentoo some time too but that only has a couple of issues

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Laptop first

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Now it's time to work out what I broke

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:20 PM

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well try to resolve them yourself first and if you get stuck you know where we are

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:20 PM

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ehehe yeah i'll try my best

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:20 PM

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just show logs and what you have tried first please

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it helps us to help you

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:21 PM

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strong_bread

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i will try my best

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:21 PM

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right see you later, gl

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:21 PM

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ty

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:22 PM

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nova herald i will try my best

all we ask of users ❤️

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:23 PM

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oh hey I can finally catch up on emails now

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thanks firefox

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:23 PM

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links -g is you friend

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back in the day I would browse the net with that and watch movies with mplayer on the terminal as I would waste 3 days compiling gentoo the long way just to get 0.0001% more speed

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:25 PM

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lol nice

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this is interesting, sddm seems to not have issues

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lemme try wayland plasma

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:25 PM

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do as I say not as I do is always important to remember

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X ftw trolley

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:26 PM

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yeah i mean like wayland doesnt seem any better

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if anything worse

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maybe it's my kde configurations or something

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basically, so far ive done pretty much everything from: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NVIDIA/Optimus
some stuff from: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hybrid_graphics
and a lot of the stuff from: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NVIDIA/nvidia-drivers

Optimus

Hybrid graphics

Nvidia-drivers

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running nvidia drivers ver420

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didnt give any incompatibility error

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oh mein gott i can feel the heat of this laptop THROUGH my desk

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:33 PM

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when you run your system at full load for 2 weeks solid then we can talk 😛

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:33 PM

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lol

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what do i put into my package.use to get it to pull nvidia-drivers ver 319?

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:33 PM

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stick with me and I'll show you every terrible thing you can do to your system

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:34 PM

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nova herald what do i put into my package.use to get it to pull nvidia-drivers ver 319?

do we still carry that?

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(you can check packages.gentoo.org)

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:34 PM

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not a damn clue

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oh ok

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3.90 is the oldest available

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i could do with that one probably

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i feel like 4.70 may be too new

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paper field May 14, 2023, 4:35 PM

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I'm not being a knob just to be clear, I just like to teach people how to help themselves

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:35 PM

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yeah lol i guessed

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didnt even know this existed

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:35 PM

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You'll be surprised how many people don't

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the wiki page I gave earlier shows which driver works with which card so why not see if you can confirm yourself and if not we'll check together

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:36 PM

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will do

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so the 470.182.03::gentoo should support it

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:38 PM

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yep

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:38 PM

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thats what i have installed

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:38 PM

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with wayland?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:39 PM

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nope X

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:39 PM

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oh ok

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:39 PM

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i just have wayland version installed to test stuff

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:39 PM

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damn it!

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:39 PM

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incase i need it

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:39 PM

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I wanted to rant about wayland

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ok keep following the wiki steps

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:39 PM

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ok

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thing is tho

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i think i did everything

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or at least everything major

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:40 PM

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So do I

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but the difference between being a new user and a pro is that a pro knows its always their fault

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:41 PM

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oh it most certainly is my fault

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:41 PM

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so we check the steps again before looking elsewhere

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:41 PM

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but like

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:41 PM

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I get you, but rather than assume its better to know 🙂

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:41 PM

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hmm right so startx gives a segmentation error

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:41 PM

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nice

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any error message?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:42 PM

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not really

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:42 PM

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just a gist for a hint will do

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:42 PM

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sorry but still TTL stuck

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looking at the logs now

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:43 PM

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@mossy plinth second opinion please

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Mia is very good btw but don't tell her I said that

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:43 PM

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mmmm there are so many potential issues in this log

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i wonder if i can somehow get it out of the tty

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:44 PM

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I have some ideas but I want to discuss them before wasting your time

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:44 PM

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ok

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:45 PM

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hi what are the ideas

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:45 PM

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we'll let you know which is best once we have talked so don't worry if you don't follow

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:45 PM

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ok

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:46 PM

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mossy plinth hi what are the ideas

burn it with fire 😛

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:46 PM

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i have my xorg log managed to copy it off to an usb drive

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📎 Xorg.0.log

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:46 PM

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oh please send to a pastebin like bpa.st or 0x0.st

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:46 PM

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ok

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:46 PM

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i think the last one is right

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:47 PM

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https://0x0.st/HN2V.0.log

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:47 PM

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nice one

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:47 PM

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anyway mia what would cause that? only thing i know of is compiler mismatch

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:48 PM

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nova herald nice one

it could be used for that but 99% of the time its for good

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:48 PM

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what compiler did he use

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also can you try to post your xorg.conf

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:48 PM

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ok

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https://pastebin.com/m9vSE9rk heres that paste of the log

Pastebin

[ 454.227] X.Org X Server 1.21.1.7X Protocol Version 11, Revision...

Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.

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lemme get xorg conf now

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:48 PM

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mossy plinth what compiler did he use

xartian gave a stage4 so who knows

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:48 PM

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[ 454.783] (II) GLX: Another vendor is already registered for screen 0

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oh this is a xartin stage4?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:49 PM

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just used emerge

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yes

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:49 PM

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can you show eselect gcc list

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photo fine or just type it

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:49 PM

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originally built it on my e7440 where emerging the entire system wasnt really viable time wise

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ok

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:49 PM

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did you just copy over the files?

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from one install to another

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:49 PM

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mossy plinth `[ 454.783] (II) GLX: Another vendor is already registered for screen 0`

you know anything about them?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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paper field photo fine or just type it

[2] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-12```

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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Idk

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it's loading modesetting drivers

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for Intel

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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mossy plinth did you just copy over the files?

no i just moved the whole drive

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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ah

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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and then nvidia crashes

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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eselect gcc set 2

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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compiler mismatch is a good reason

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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then merge nvidia again

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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paper field `eselect gcc set 2`

done

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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I assume they're not ABI compatible

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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ok

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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let use know

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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emerging nvidia now

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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nova herald no i just moved the whole drive

this also makes me think

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due to the differences in how it's optimized

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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mossy plinth I assume they're not ABI compatible

well gcc is pretty standard nowadays but it's the best lead we have

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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for the different CPUs between your machines

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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they're both haswell systems

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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I assume they're not the same generation

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oh ok

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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mossy plinth due to the differences in how it's optimized

it's not, just -o2 -pipe

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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i5-4300U vs now the i7-4710MQ

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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paper field it's not, just -o2 -pipe

oh ok

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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do you still want the xorg conf

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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honestly yea

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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ok

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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do what immolo said too

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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two seconds let me finish emerging the drivers

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https://pastebin.com/jJA5TiuK

Pastebin

# nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig#...

Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.

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lemme restart with those new drivers too

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:54 PM

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hm

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modesetting is just inactive device

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generated by nvidia-xsettings should be okay

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actually does have a line for intel

nova herald May 14, 2023, 4:54 PM

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i need to go eat brb

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:55 PM

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alright

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Intel HD 4000 is known to cause issues

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with nvidia

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:57 PM

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that's handy I need to do some things

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:57 PM

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if doing what immolo told you to doesn't work you could try removing any lines relating to your intel card (it seems that you want to use the dedicated gpu as your primary GPU)

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and blacklisting them

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:58 PM

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that shouldn't be needed

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:58 PM

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true am just throwing out ideas

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I mean Xorg isn't loading or making use of them

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:59 PM

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I agree with that

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 4:59 PM

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Glamor is the only one with any line relating to modesetting

paper field May 14, 2023, 4:59 PM

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I'm just hoping this isn't a really old stage3

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I have a feeling this is going to be a long fix

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:00 PM

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yea..

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I mean xartin knew some stuff about Optimus

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/ PRIME render offloading

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he would also scream at people not to bother with optimus

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and use PRIME

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alright I am reading up a bit more maybe ignore some of the ideas for nwo

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https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/nvidia-drivers-430-09-causes-xorg-segfault-at-start/73682/6

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https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/xorg-server-1-17-on-optimus-laptop-doesnt-start-when-nvidia-opengl-implementation-is-selected/36773/2

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:06 PM

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mossy plinth if doing what immolo told you to doesn't work you could try removing any lines r...

preferably, mainly for gaming

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:07 PM

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mossy plinth Intel HD 4000 is known to cause issues

E7440 has 4400 this thing has the 4600

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:07 PM

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4000-series I mean

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:07 PM

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mossy plinth if doing what immolo told you to doesn't work you could try removing any lines r...

which ones? is it worth doing?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:07 PM

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mossy plinth 4000-series I mean

oh just in general ok

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:07 PM

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so for now

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just switch to the newer version of gcc

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I would try to eliminate any chance of an ABI compatibility with the hint immolo found

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did you update xorg?

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and glibc?

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since this might be a very old stage4 idk when you did a --sync and -auDU world

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:08 PM

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mossy plinth just switch to the newer version of gcc

i did that, and rebuilt nvidia-drivers ver 470

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:09 PM

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if it still doesn't run can you try to rebuild xorg and glibc

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:09 PM

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mossy plinth since this might be a very old stage4 idk when you did a --sync and -auDU world

last synced a couple of days ago, last did -auDN @ world a few months ago

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:09 PM

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if we can rule that out I would guess it's an issue related to how the config loads specific libraries

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:09 PM

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mossy plinth if it still doesn't run can you try to rebuild xorg and glibc

just re-emerge them?

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:09 PM

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nova herald last synced a couple of days ago, last did -auDN @ world a few months ago

oh that is a big no no

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:09 PM

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nova herald just re-emerge them?

yes

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:09 PM

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oh ok

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:10 PM

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trying to install new packages on a system that hasnt been updated in months

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can be a big issue

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:10 PM

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mossy plinth oh that is a big no no

i usually only emerge @ world once discord stops working lol

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which it has

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:10 PM

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but please use -auDU in the future not -auDN

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:10 PM

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ok

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will do

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:10 PM

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--newuse will include packages which have new use flags

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:10 PM

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let me re-emerge glibc and xorg then i'll do world

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:10 PM

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--changed-use will only do packages that changed

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ABI incompatibility might actually just be it

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but if that doesn't solve it I'm gonna keep the glamor thing that was known to cause bugs with nvidia before in my head

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:11 PM

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wait whats the xorg package called again

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:11 PM

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xorg-server

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:11 PM

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ty

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:12 PM

#

Attempted Steps:

eselect gcc to newer
reinstall nvidia
re-update xorg, glibc, nvidia

Yet to do:

update world set
investigate glamor dynamic library issues

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updating nvidia doesn't cause a rebuild for Xorg, if there is an issue between the two that could be it, generally speaking you're trying to upgrade parts of your system when the rest is months behind which can cause issues

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:14 PM

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just rebuilding those two packages now real quick, there's 14 total packages that need to rebuild at the same time

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then i'll do world

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:14 PM

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I think updating xorg-server will also update its dependencies including the intel drivers

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:14 PM

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but that probably won't be too quick

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:14 PM

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mossy plinth I think updating xorg-server will also update its dependencies including the int...

yes

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:14 PM

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try to see if it works after those packages but you should do a world update anyway

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that also removes another error source for us

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it's not entirely unreasonable

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:15 PM

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mossy plinth try to see if it works after those packages but you should do a world update any...

yeah i will anyways but like

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:15 PM

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looking at the callstack

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X issue, libc issue, nvidia issue

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version mismatch is a reasonable assumption

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dynamic linking is fun

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🙃

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:16 PM

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mossy plinth Attempted Steps: - eselect gcc to newer - reinstall nvidia - re-update xorg, gl...

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:17 PM

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fun lol

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i'll let you know when these are done rebuilding

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:17 PM

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thumbsupx2

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:17 PM

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rn its just fetching files in the background

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:35 PM

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righty should be done in a moment

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:37 PM

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thanks mia

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This was everything I had planned to say

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:37 PM

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it's done rebooting now

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:38 PM

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although before emerging <@&1101551477635428453> make sure you set the cflags correct to make it worth your time

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:38 PM

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what should i set

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:38 PM

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-march=native

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O2 is fine, pipe is a must

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unless you want to optimize a lot

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:38 PM

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common_flags="-O2 -pipe -march=native"

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:38 PM

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ok thanks

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also yeah its having that same issue still

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:39 PM

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we'll save the fun stuff for later when you are ready to play more

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:39 PM

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world it is?

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now?

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or do you want me to do anything else first

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:39 PM

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I would say sure, let's eliminate some error sources

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:39 PM

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why the hell is everyone here now

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:39 PM

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let's hear what immolo says

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:39 PM

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like 9 people

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oh right isee lol

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dw

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:39 PM

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because immolo @ everyone'd

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or well

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@ world

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:39 PM

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lmfao

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great

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:40 PM

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I don't like recommending but it starts us from a known base so it will remove all the unknowns

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:40 PM

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want me to do anything else before doing -auDU world?

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ok

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:40 PM

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I would go for emerge -e <@&1101551477635428453> in this case

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but this is the only time I would suggest this is the right solution

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:41 PM

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should i do --newuse too

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:41 PM

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naw it will rebuild everything

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:41 PM

#

ok

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:41 PM

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send us your emerge info before starting

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:41 PM

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what info is that

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:41 PM

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lets make sure everything is set so it only builds once

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emerge --info

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send us your system settings

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:42 PM

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you know let me export that to a file - too long for 1 pic

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what system settings u want to see?

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:42 PM

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everything in that command 🙂

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:42 PM

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ok

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ill export it to a file 2 secs

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:42 PM

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screenshot if you must

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I'm wasting your time so you can have this one

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:43 PM

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no too big to fit 1 screen

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:43 PM

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can you try to emerge wgetpaste

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:43 PM

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you have earned two

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oh I thought wgetpaste didn't work

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:43 PM

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oh did it not

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I wasnt here the entire time

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:43 PM

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I never checked

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:43 PM

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i mean i just did wgetpaste

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what does that do

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:43 PM

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why I am assuming

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wgetpaste -c "emerge --info"

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:44 PM

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what does that do

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:44 PM

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send the command output to a pastebin

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:44 PM

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i already have the output off the machine dw

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:45 PM

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well you know how to do it going forward

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:47 PM

#

a h

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amateur hour

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two seconds

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:48 PM

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hahaha

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 5:48 PM

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wtf is that

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:48 PM

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happens to the best of us

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:49 PM

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why tf is that still just pasting the command

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echo "emerge --info" > (file) should work right

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:50 PM

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plus technically what I asked for

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:50 PM

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lol

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:50 PM

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no echo

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:50 PM

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oh right good point

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duh

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:50 PM

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that prints text

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:50 PM

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there we go

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https://pastebin.com/vbvakMaY

Pastebin

Portage 3.0.44 (python 3.10.9-final-0, default/linux/amd64/17.1/des...

Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:53 PM

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you have 8 threads?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:53 PM

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yep

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quad core octa thread

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:54 PM

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cool

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16gb ram you said right?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:54 PM

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nope that was the E7440

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this has a rather awkward 28gb

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dont ask

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:54 PM

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thats perfect

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:54 PM

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i dont have another 8gb stick rn lol

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so 3 8s and a 4 it is for now

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:55 PM

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just make a 4gb swapfile for safety and everything is good

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:55 PM

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i already have an 8gb swap partition

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:55 PM

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28 should be enough but why risk an oom

#

good answer

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see you on the other side

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:56 PM

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ok

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so emerge -e @ world yes

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:57 PM

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and remeber never to use weird stages again

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:57 PM

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wdym

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:57 PM

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just use official ones

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:58 PM

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ok

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:58 PM

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thanks mia

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:58 PM

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ty both

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:58 PM

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❤️

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:59 PM

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we will see if this works lol

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i have my doubts

paper field May 14, 2023, 5:59 PM

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well you know where to ask

nova herald May 14, 2023, 5:59 PM

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great loads of masked packages

#

sorting that now

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also SO MANY PACKAGES kill me now

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:00 PM

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did you sync first?

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:00 PM

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no but i also only synced like 2 days ago

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:00 PM

#

do it

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:00 PM

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ok

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:00 PM

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then show us an example

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:00 PM

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example of what

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:01 PM

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lets see if the masks are normal

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:02 PM

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what exactly do you wanna see?

#

also i already sorted the masked packages

#

am i ok to run the update?

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:03 PM

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pull the pin

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:04 PM

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stop updating?

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:04 PM

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pull the pin means go for it

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:05 PM

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oh right ok

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well good job that's what it means because it's going lol

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:06 PM

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its a saying that when you pull a gerande (no idea how to spell it) you can't go back

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:06 PM

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this is so many packages ffs

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holy jesus 1200 packages

#

just shoot me now

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:06 PM

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yep, we don't recommend this often so you are in an elite club

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:06 PM

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yippee

#

i might have to run this over the course of a few days by the way depending on if any of these packages are big

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doesnt it go from biggest to smallest tho?

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:07 PM

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goes in ordered of needed

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:07 PM

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oh ok

#

well ye depending on if theres any big packages here it might be over the course of a few days stop and go i do this

#

so like

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:07 PM

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don't stop it if you can help it

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:08 PM

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i can't sleep with it running

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too loud

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so it has about 3-4 hours before i'll have to cut it

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:09 PM

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fair reason

#

emerge --resume to pick up where it left off

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:09 PM

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assuming just ctrl x or c or whatever it is to kill it?

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:09 PM

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don't run any other emerge commands

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:10 PM

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ok

#

it might finish in time providing like llvm or gcc isnt in here or anything like that

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:10 PM

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yep or cntl s to freeze and q to resume

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they are plus rust

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:10 PM

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should also have experimental binhost connected tho if i remember right so like

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:12 PM

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cant see it enabled

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:12 PM

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or at least i thought i had it enabled

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:12 PM

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mia might know

#

@mossy plinth your skills pls

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binhost enabled yay or nay

#

https://pastebin.com/vbvakMaY

Pastebin

Portage 3.0.44 (python 3.10.9-final-0, default/linux/amd64/17.1/des...

Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:15 PM

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im pretty sure i did it on this install anyways

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 6:17 PM

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as in in the conf?

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don't think so

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:18 PM

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cool i thought the same

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 6:18 PM

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EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--with-bdeps y --complete-graph y --fail-clean y"

#

should have

#

EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--binpkg-respect-use=y --getbinpkg=y"

#

I think enabling it wouldn't be stupid for 1200 packages

#

xartin seemingly didn't add any use flags that are too insane

#

USE="10bit 12bit 7z 7zip X a52 aac aacplus aacs acl acpi aio alsa amd64 bash-completion bdplus bluetooth bluray branding bzip2 cairo caps cdda cdr chromaprint cjk clang cli conntrack corefonts crypt cups cxx dbus dist-kernel dri dts dvd dvdr elogind encode exif ffmpeg flac fontconfig fortran gdbm gif gpm gtk gui hwloc iconv icu idn inotify iproute2 ipv6 ithreads jpeg jpeg2k json lame lcms ldap libevent libglvnd libkms libnotify libtirpc lm-sensors lm_sensors logrotate lrz lz4 lzma lzo mad matroska mdnsresponder-compat mng mp3 mp4 mpeg mpi mpi-threads multilib ncurses netlink networkmanager nftables nls nptl nvenc offensive offload ogg opengl openmp openssl opus osmesa pam pango pcre pdf pgo pic pie png policykit posix postproc ppds pulseaudio qt5 quicktime rar raw readline samba sasl sdl seccomp secure-delete sound speex spell split-usr ssl startup-notification svg test-rust theora threads tiff truetype udev udf udisks unicode unzip upnp upnp-av upower usb uxa v4l vaapi vdpau vorbis vpx vulkan wifi wxwidgets x264 x265 xa xattr xcb xft xml xv xvid zip zlib zstd"

#

hmm.

#

this makes me wonder how many packages it would build from source anyway

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:21 PM

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right now i have about 1200...

#

and its on package 3 of 1256

#

kill me

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 6:21 PM

#

okay

#

honestly

#

abort that and try the experimental binary package host

#

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Experimental_binary_package_host

Experimental binary package host

#

it will take off a decent workload

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:21 PM

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its aborted

#

lemme set it up

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 6:21 PM

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the use flags shouldn't be so exotic on every package

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:21 PM

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thought i already had it ngl

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:22 PM

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its only for systemd desktop kde

#

remember

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 6:22 PM

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is it

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:22 PM

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pretty sure

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:22 PM

#

no

#

ive had it working elsewhere before

paper field May 14, 2023, 6:22 PM

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it will work but thats what the use is set to

#

just as fyi

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 6:24 PM

#

on my install

#

which you know

#

the majority of packages would be pulled

#

I'll post output of

#

PORTAGE_BINHOST="https://gentoo.osuosl.org/experimental/amd64/binpkg/default/linux/17.1/x86-64/" emerge -ep --getbinpkg world | wgetpaste --no-ansi

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:24 PM

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should now be using the binhost

#

if you need me i wont be available for a bit i wanna go play vr

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 6:25 PM

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wait is there a line limit

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:25 PM

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no clue

#

its now defo using binhost tho

#

anyways ill be back in a bit

#

vr time

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 6:26 PM

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https://bpa.st/UP2AK

#

the list is rather small

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:51 PM

#

update binhost is certainly working, it's pulled a fair few of the packages

#

it's on 71 already

#

yeah its just done a load of binhost ones all at once again, at 77 now

#

fingers crossed it'll finish tonight

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 6:53 PM

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yea let‘s keep working on it tomorrow

nova herald May 14, 2023, 6:59 PM

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unless this fixes it xd

#

tis on 126 so the binhost is defo saving a good chunk of time

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 7:04 PM

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honestly there is a chance it might

#

since your packages were so out of sync

nova herald May 14, 2023, 7:08 PM

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yeah potentially

#

a lot of my app packages like firefox and stuff are the bin versions in the first place anyways

nova herald May 14, 2023, 7:31 PM

#

Unless anything overly chunky turns up it might actually finish tonight

#

about a quarter of the way there after about an hour so should be ok just about if it keeps this pace

nova herald May 14, 2023, 8:49 PM

#

Unless some miracle happens in the nest half an hour I'll have to pause and wait until tomorrow to continue

#

On about 530 rn

#

Do I just run emerge -e @ world or emerge --resume or whatever the hell it is

#

To restart tmmr

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 8:51 PM

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resume

#

altho idk if that carries over between reboots

nova herald May 14, 2023, 8:56 PM

#

worst case I'll just run the command again

#

it'll pick back up anyways if I do that

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 8:57 PM

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well, not when you run -e

nova herald May 14, 2023, 8:57 PM

#

oh

#

what do you propose I do then

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 8:57 PM

#

    Reinstalls target atoms and their entire deep dependency tree, as though no packages are currently installed. You should run this with --pretend first to make sure the result is what you expect. ```

#

it will reinstall every single package

#

on your system

nova herald May 14, 2023, 8:57 PM

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jesus

#

yeah I don't wanna be restarting that

#

assuming it updates them as the same time

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 8:58 PM

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if you specify it to yes

nova herald May 14, 2023, 8:58 PM

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You know maybe I just leave it overnight

#

Screw it I can sleep through it I guess

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 8:58 PM

#

it'll be fine

nova herald May 14, 2023, 8:58 PM

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mossy plinth if you specify it to yes

So essentially right now my system isn't even updating its just reinstalling everything is what you're telling me

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 8:58 PM

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you're not running any crazy optimizations

#

or weird compilers and linkers

nova herald May 14, 2023, 8:58 PM

#

So I still need to do -audm

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 8:58 PM

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so it'll just install nothing will abort

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 8:59 PM

#

nova herald So I still need to do -audm

auDU please

nova herald May 14, 2023, 8:59 PM

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yes that one

#

this is updating the packages to their latest tho unless specified otherwise right?

#

with -e

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 8:59 PM

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in this case I am unsure actually. if you just run -e without specifying -u

#

it shouldn#t

#

it should just reinstall

nova herald May 14, 2023, 8:59 PM

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ffs

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 8:59 PM

#

the reason why it was suggested is that basically

#

the libraries and software may have been built in a way that is fundamentally incompatible

nova herald May 14, 2023, 9:00 PM

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wouldve been good to know before lol so I could set it to upgrade all packages as well after

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 9:00 PM

#

it happens

nova herald May 14, 2023, 9:00 PM

#

Maybe I just set an alarm for the middle.of the night to get up, reboot and start updating too

#

I might do that

#

Going off of this probably about 3am

#

Maybe 2 30

mossy plinth May 14, 2023, 9:00 PM

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@paper field am I wrong here

#

if he wanted updates he should've included the flag

nova herald May 14, 2023, 9:14 PM

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It's ok I'll just set an alarm for 2 30 am, reboot and then start updates

#

Ill also try to send a message as to whether or not the rebuild worked

#

If I remember

#

@mossy plinth @paper field

#

I'm sorry for your eyes but can't do much

#

I'm just going to run the updates now and see if that fixes it

#

I'll also just wake up at 2.30am still to see if the updates are done and if you want me to run anything else

#

I'll be here for like another 30 mins

#

436 package updates to run

nova herald May 14, 2023, 9:46 PM

#

@rugged halo

#

this lol

nova herald May 14, 2023, 10:13 PM

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Sorry it's too loud I just can't

#

I'll continue updating and do anything else tmmr

paper field May 15, 2023, 2:41 PM

#

nova herald <@193711900100395008> <@377479541758623754>

emerge --resume --skipfirst

#

Should get you out of drama but take a note of the package and we'll fix it later

nova herald May 15, 2023, 2:43 PM

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will that pick off where emerge -e left of despite me starting system updates and having shut down since

nova herald May 15, 2023, 3:20 PM

#

@paper field

#

i'll just do it anyways the updates need to happen

paper field May 15, 2023, 3:29 PM

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Yes it will carry on just missing out the one that failed

nova herald May 15, 2023, 3:34 PM

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ok cool

nova herald May 15, 2023, 6:59 PM

#

with some luck the system updates may actually finish some time this year

nova herald May 15, 2023, 7:39 PM

#

right now it's doing gtk or something which from what i remember aint small, and it's already been at it for a while so idk

#

any form of gui is just so broken it's funny

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 7:40 PM

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let's hope this does eliminate some error sources

nova herald May 15, 2023, 7:41 PM

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hope so

#

lmfao

#

strangely enough ssdm seems to be fine, but guessing that's before it initialises using the nvidia card

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 7:42 PM

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SDDM is already in an X session

#

so that's false

nova herald May 15, 2023, 7:43 PM

#

oh right

#

that's strange then

#

because kde, kde wayland and xfce4 all did the same thing as in the video

#

clearly the issue here may not be X then

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 7:43 PM

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I would just let it run and see if that does anything

#

immolo's argument was basically

#

old weird stage4 by someone else

#

system really out of date

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partial upgrades with different compiler versions

nova herald May 15, 2023, 7:44 PM

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the stage4 is pretty recent

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as far as gentoo systems go

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 7:44 PM

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"pretty recent"

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wasn't it months out of date

nova herald May 15, 2023, 7:44 PM

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prob about 6mo since i built this originally

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about a month or two since last full update

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 7:44 PM

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6 months isn't recent

nova herald May 15, 2023, 7:46 PM

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i guess

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that's just when i installed it though not last update

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damn gtk is taking forever

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 7:47 PM

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gui-libs/gtk?

nova herald May 15, 2023, 7:48 PM

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not a clue what package exactly

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didnt see it when it started

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but its some form of gtk package i think

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 7:48 PM

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you can go to a different tty

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and use genlop if you have it

nova herald May 15, 2023, 7:48 PM

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from what i'm seeing

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 7:48 PM

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or inspect the portage log manually

nova herald May 15, 2023, 7:48 PM

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not to my knowledge but possibly

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 7:48 PM

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gtk takes a minute and a half on my system

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so I was curious

nova herald May 15, 2023, 7:49 PM

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mossy plinth and use genlop if you have it

i do actually

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i think it might be borked tho

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also pretty sure the package is webkit-gtk

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yeah net-libs/webkit-gtk

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 7:55 PM

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yea you would check what is currently emerging wiht

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sudo genlop -c

nova herald May 15, 2023, 7:56 PM

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yeah i think genlop is broken lol

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 7:58 PM

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what's wrong with it?

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seems like your system is broken

nova herald May 15, 2023, 7:59 PM

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Once again sorry for your eyes im stuck in TTY tho

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 8:02 PM

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interesting.

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i mean it gives you a plausible cauase but your system is cursed

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god I hate typing with one hand

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(painting my nails)

nova herald May 15, 2023, 8:05 PM

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lol

nova herald May 15, 2023, 8:05 PM

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mossy plinth i mean it gives you a plausible cauase but your system is cursed

so, is it just totally and utterly borked

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 8:06 PM

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might be

nova herald May 15, 2023, 8:07 PM

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i mean if these updates ever finish we could actually do more potential fixes lol

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still on webkit gtk

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 8:08 PM

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it might resolve some of ur issues if not all

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we will see

nova herald May 15, 2023, 8:15 PM

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oml how big is webkit-gtk?

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thought llvm and gcc were meant to be biggest

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FINALLY Skull

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81 more packages hopefully nothing too big...

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 8:23 PM

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nova herald oml how big is webkit-gtk?

anything with "webkit" in it

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takes hours to compile

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basically

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or qtwebengine

nova herald May 15, 2023, 8:23 PM

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yeah this was about 2 hours

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 8:23 PM

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is what I meant

nova herald May 15, 2023, 8:23 PM

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ish

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never know the gtk update may fix the issues

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maybe

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 8:23 PM

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just update everything and we investigate further

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I always love helping out but Imma sleep soon

nova herald May 15, 2023, 8:24 PM

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hopefully be done with it soon

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ok fair enough

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i start my gcses tmmr anyways so like

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i cant be sticking around too late

nova herald May 15, 2023, 9:21 PM

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Not got many packages left but I need to finish tomorrow I can't be staying up

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Did do a restart too to see if any updates so far made a change - they have

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I mean everything's still midly broken but windows are appearing correctly now and menus seem to function other than being graphically broken

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Also I've had quite a lot of packages error out and crash the system update, most notably mainly some xfce packages, a couple of kde ones and some random unrelated stuff. No clue why but just resumed and kept going, didn't take any pictures or record what packages

mossy plinth May 15, 2023, 9:29 PM

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the packages that you skipped should still be available for updates

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This is good progress

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sorry it‘s taking so long to fix your system but keep it going and tomorrow we‘ll check out why those packages failed to build

paper field May 16, 2023, 1:28 AM

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mossy plinth wasn't it months out of date

best case just setup incorrectly 🙂

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but yeah 6 months is when the update path gets tricky

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Gentoo plans for one year with the policy in place but that plan is more to save a user in a situation like this rather than be working

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tldr though, there was too many unknowns for use to work from and I already planned to do something like this with you anyway as your specs would gain a lot from the optimisations so it might feel like a pain right now but trust me it's all part of a bigger plan to make Gentoo work for you 🙂

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or your money back

nova herald May 16, 2023, 6:50 AM

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mossy plinth This is good progress

Good

nova herald May 16, 2023, 6:50 AM

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paper field tldr though, there was too many unknowns for use to work from and I already plan...

yeah it seems like thats the case especially as it seems to be getting better

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I do wonder though if the quadro physically has the ability to drive that display because in windows its the HD4600 running the display itself and I've got it set to prioritise the quadro for rendering apps

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Which was ideally what I was trying to do in Linux but it seems much easier to just set the quadro to always be running

nova herald May 16, 2023, 2:40 PM

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nova herald I do wonder though if the quadro physically has the ability to drive that displa...

nova herald May 16, 2023, 3:42 PM

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@paper field @mossy plinth system updates done but still graphically screwed

paper field May 16, 2023, 3:42 PM

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OK I'll take a look when I'm free again

nova herald May 16, 2023, 3:42 PM

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ok thanks

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also had some more package failures

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most notably plasma-meta i think

paper field May 16, 2023, 3:44 PM

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Did you record them all?

nova herald May 16, 2023, 3:45 PM

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nope

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too many

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also a lot of the issues with ones failing happened later at night and i couldnt be bothered

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wondering if the issue may be in the kde/plasma config, since sddm is just fine and so is an X session (i think, i dont really use normal x sessions)

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lemme try openbox

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yes this would appear to be the case

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just logged in with an openbox session, no graphical issues, opened minecraft and its showing the quadro as the device in use

mossy plinth May 16, 2023, 4:09 PM

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nova herald wondering if the issue may be in the kde/plasma config, since sddm is just fine ...

well KDE failed to emerge, at least components of it

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it may be the software itself or your config

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but I'm glad we were able to resolve most of your issues so far

nova herald May 16, 2023, 4:10 PM

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yup

mossy plinth May 16, 2023, 4:10 PM

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took forever but hey

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mostly works now ™️

nova herald May 16, 2023, 4:10 PM

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basically we just need to fix kde now

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lol

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but that proves my x config is ok and its using the dgpu

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fps seems kinda low tho (30-40 average, plus this is on a server)

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at least compared to windows

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expecially as its using optifine and no shaders/texture pack

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whereas windows is still holding 90fps with iris+sodium and faithful x64

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so its not perfect config yet i dont think

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maybe ill try just run the normal game

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yeah thats no better, even tho the dgpu is being used now somethings not quite right

nova herald May 16, 2023, 6:21 PM

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is there a way to fully reset KDE

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idc how really as long as it gets done

nova herald May 16, 2023, 6:42 PM

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just nuked every file in the kde* and plasma* folder @ .config, still broken despite seeming to be reset

nova herald May 19, 2023, 8:54 PM

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Hopefully should be able to do more work on this tomorrow or Sunday, had a minor skill issue with the keyboard I have a spare coming tomorrow hopefully

nova herald May 20, 2023, 12:30 PM

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update it may not come today actually, thought it was going to

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in the meantime running system updates on my main machine instead

nova herald May 20, 2023, 2:15 PM

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current machine status, not much Gentoo work gonna be done on this still

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the part has not arrived, was expecting it to... darn royal mail

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still a few hours of potential time ig

molten hollow May 20, 2023, 3:51 PM

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nova herald current machine status, not much Gentoo work gonna be done on this still

why such a tiny keyboard?

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and trackpad?

nova herald May 20, 2023, 4:09 PM

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trackpad is the normal one

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keyboard is having slight skill issue though, the actual one is full size lol thats just an usb one

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it stopped working randomly after i undocked it, and started working again, then stopped - looking further into it some of the pins on the daughter board underneath the keyboard got damaged, and me trying to fix it only made it worse (loads started to break off and loads just began to bend too)

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so i have a new keyboard controller coming

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i think i might have been the one to cause the damage because the laptop side of the keyboard cable had some corrosion for some reason, and the cable on that side is not in good condition and neither is the connector, so i did a keyboard side disconnect then put back in the cable wrong or something idk, it's some half special connector where it slides in instead of going in the top

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it worked however yk

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idk we will see what happens when the new one arrives, it's also coming with a cable but its from a latitude E5xxx series so the new cable may not fit (same controller tho)

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so yeah basically my skill issue but all should be fixed once the new daughter board arrives lel

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also trackpad is so small because this is a 17 inch laptop, so it's not actually that small just looks it

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its pretty much the same size as my e7440 one, maybe a little bit less wise

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@molten hollow

molten hollow May 20, 2023, 4:28 PM

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nova herald also trackpad is so small because this is a 17 inch laptop, so it's not actually...

skill issue

nova herald May 20, 2023, 4:29 PM

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mhm

molten hollow May 20, 2023, 4:29 PM

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also give that keyboard a few roids

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might help your situation

nova herald May 20, 2023, 4:30 PM

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Wdym

nova herald May 21, 2023, 10:14 PM

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@paper field tomorrow the part to fix the keyboard should be arriving, along with a new battery since the one in there rn is a pos

What troubleshooting do you propose I do next?

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Since last time we talked I finished the system updates, and nuked all kde settings. I also discovered openbox and sddm works just fine, and the machine is using the Quadro in Minecraft however with quite low FPS so something's still not 100% right

nova herald May 22, 2023, 4:50 PM

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keebord fixed, ready to do more troubleshooting/fixes

paper field May 22, 2023, 5:13 PM

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I'm a bit busy today so if you quickly list stuff I'll look but don't expect quick replies

nova herald May 22, 2023, 6:00 PM

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ok no problemo

nova herald May 22, 2023, 6:00 PM

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nova herald Since last time we talked I finished the system updates, and nuked all kde setti...

this is the stuff i've done since last time

nova herald May 25, 2023, 7:35 PM

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is it worth me just reinstalling at this point

paper field May 25, 2023, 7:42 PM

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Oh sorry mate I forgot you

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Ping me in 30 minutes when I'm back from this meal

nova herald May 25, 2023, 7:43 PM

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oh lel

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ok

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shall do so

paper field May 25, 2023, 7:44 PM

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You need to remind me more mate at the moment as I'm working a lot and not around as often

nova herald May 25, 2023, 7:45 PM

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apologies, didn't want to be too pushy since you were busy

paper field May 25, 2023, 7:59 PM

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OK give me the update

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:06 PM

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righty

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:06 PM

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nova herald Since last time we talked I finished the system updates, and nuked all kde setti...

still at this point not touched since

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@paper field

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:13 PM

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So what's the issue for now

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:13 PM

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still just getting kde to work

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:13 PM

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I thought you nuked kde

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:13 PM

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and probably making the gpu work better as it clearly isn't performing as well in linux as windows

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only all the settings and configurations

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which didnt fix it

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at least i nuked all of the kde settings and configs in my home dir

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:17 PM

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OK what's the error

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:17 PM

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isnt one still just graphically screwed

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:23 PM

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eww

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same with intel

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?

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:23 PM

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uhhh

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wasnt before, no

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i think this thing is hybrid grahpics technically

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so ive got it set up with optimus or whatever it is

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:24 PM

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what driver does your card support?

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:24 PM

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uhh we already looked at this, lemme scroll back a min

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:25 PM

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nova herald

.

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paper field May 25, 2023, 8:26 PM

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try the 390 for giiglees

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:29 PM

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uhh ok

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what do i do in package mask again

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to get that one

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:31 PM

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~wiki nvidia

opal gobletBOT May 25, 2023, 8:31 PM

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nvidia

Nvidia

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Nvidia

Nvidia-drivers

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Nvidia-drivers

Nvidia GPU passthrough with QEMU on Lenovo ThinkPad P53

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Nvidia_GPU_passthrough_with_QEMU_on_Lenovo_ThinkPad_P53

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:31 PM

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shows on that page from memory

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:33 PM

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okey

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ty

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:36 PM

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nw

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:37 PM

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hmm

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its still pulling 470 for some reason

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>x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-390 is right?

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:39 PM

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x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-391

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means it will install anything below 391

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:39 PM

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righty ill try that

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wtf why is it still giving 470

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do i need to sync after every time i change it or smth

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:40 PM

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means something is configured wrong

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emerge -va =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-390.157

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see what that says

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:41 PM

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ok

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oh its masked

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that would be why

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:42 PM

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ah

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:42 PM

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right lets try that again

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:42 PM

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you know how to unmask right

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:42 PM

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ofc

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there we go

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do i need to remove 470 somehow or is deselecting enough

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:43 PM

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Should remove it anyway on the downgrade

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:43 PM

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ok

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may take a moment to compile since i'm on battery

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and this thing significantly cuts the power on the gpu and cpu (obviously) on battery

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otherwise id get like 15mins runtime lel

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there we go, gonna reboot brb

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:44 PM

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no worries

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:46 PM

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X isn't even starting now

#

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I apologise no other way of taking the pic

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:47 PM

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booting into the right kernel right

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:47 PM

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I would assume so

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Just the default

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:47 PM

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as the one set by eselect kernel

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:47 PM

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Fairly sure I only have one installed

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:48 PM

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check to be sure

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:48 PM

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That is a lie

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I do have more than 1

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:48 PM

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hehe

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you know what they say about assuming

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:48 PM

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yeah lel

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Do you propose I boot a different kernel

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Istg the whole time if it was the kernel

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Going to boot 5.15.75

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Still no bueno on X

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Oh right

paper field May 25, 2023, 8:54 PM

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I'm not sure

nova herald May 25, 2023, 8:55 PM

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@mossy plinth

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any ideas here?

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I'm absolutely exhausted, gonna pick this back up tmmr or Saturday if that's ok

paper field May 25, 2023, 9:03 PM

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hopefully mia has an ide

nova herald May 25, 2023, 9:06 PM

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Yeah

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 9:15 AM

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I didn't really follow all of this but the first things going through my brain seeing those error messages is

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does your Xorg.conf still exist and is it set up for the proper drivers

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is the nividia module loaded (esp. for the nvidia-smi command)

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Which kernel did you build your drivers for

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 10:16 AM

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2 and 3 are more important I just saw the startx error first

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lsmod and modprobe are your friend

nova herald May 26, 2023, 4:42 PM

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mossy plinth 1) does your Xorg.conf still exist and is it set up for the proper drivers

To my knowledge

nova herald May 26, 2023, 4:42 PM

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mossy plinth 2) is the nividia module loaded (esp. for the nvidia-smi command)

Not after changing kernel, referring to 3 I should try rebuild it on a different kernel maybe

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 4:46 PM

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well

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select the kernel you want

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boot into it

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compile nvidia

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:35 PM

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yeah

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ill try a different one to my default

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Building the 390 drivers on an older kernel hasn't helped either

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 5:49 PM

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ok so what kernel do you have selected and which one are you booted into

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if it's the one you're on try modprobe

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:53 PM

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well

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you see

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it might be mildly borked for now

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basically

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i reset my x config just out of interest of what would happen

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now just stuck at a black screen with a stuck cursor

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cant change to tty or anytihng

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 5:53 PM

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but your nvidia drivers are loaded?

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:53 PM

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but pressing power button shuts down normally

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no clue

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cant check

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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pls just lsmod

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and modprobe

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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i cant

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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from tty

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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i cant

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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after you reboot

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why not

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just rebopot

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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i cant get to tty

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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do you have a display manager

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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its just stuck at this black screen with cursor

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no

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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fucking your shit up

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or what

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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well

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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then shut it down

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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i cant

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unless theres a keybind

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 5:54 PM

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nova herald but pressing power button shuts down normally

?

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:55 PM

#

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Just mouse cursor

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Won't move

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Can't go to tty

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But, if I press power button then I'll just go into normal shutdown sequence

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 5:56 PM

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nova herald Can't go to tty

Ctrl Alt F2

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does that work

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any of the TTYs

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:56 PM

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ik, nothing

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 5:56 PM

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if not just shut it down

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:56 PM

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ok

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I have tried rebooting many times btw

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And all available kernels

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And recovery mode

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Resetting my x config after rebuilding the drivers didn't work clearly wadnt a good idea

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Might have to boot a live cd

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And put back the old X config

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 5:59 PM

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nova herald Resetting my x config after rebuilding the drivers didn't work clearly wadnt a g...

yes we shouldve gotten your driver situation cleared out

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never actually confirmed if they're loaded and why

nova herald May 26, 2023, 5:59 PM

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thought x conf couldve been part the issue

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will put back the old configs now rq from livecd

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rioght

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rebooting now

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there we are, back to pre my skill issue @mossy plinth

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rn, nvidia driver 390 isnt starting to my knowledge according to nvidia-smi

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:06 PM

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lsmod | grep nvidia

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modprobe nvidia

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:06 PM

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however version 470 used to start but ofc with the graphical issues

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ok

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modprobe nvidia returns nothing

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:06 PM

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so it loaded

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try again

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(startx)

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:07 PM

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mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:07 PM

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yes it is now loaded

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:07 PM

#

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:08 PM

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now we know your drivers are loaded tho

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check that xorg log

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:08 PM

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Ok

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Want me to offload it to you

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Aha

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No need

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Think I found it

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@mossy plinth

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This may also be an issue

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:20 PM

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just googling that issue seems like for everyone a reboot fixed it lol, seems like you have leftovers from newer nvidia driver versions tho

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if that doesn't fix it you would need to clean those up

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:20 PM

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two seconds

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i was using 470 before

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:21 PM

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check dmesg

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it's probably gonna say that you have conflicting versions

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I think updating your initramfs should solve that

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hard mode after that would be to clean up all the newer driver versions

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:22 PM

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mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:23 PM

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470 kernel module

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you did install the older driver for this kernel, right?

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:23 PM

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eheheh no

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just the nvidia-drivers package

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:23 PM

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after eselect kernel set (Which I assume you have set to the kernel you want to boot into)

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install the version that you want

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update initramfs

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reboot

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:24 PM

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what do i need to select with the eselect?

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oh right

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yes

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rn my standard is 6.1.24

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whats the kernel driver package again

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:24 PM

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x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:24 PM

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thats what i was installing before

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just version 390

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not 470

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:24 PM

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specify the version

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drivers need to be built against each kernel

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:25 PM

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what do i add to build it against this kernel

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:25 PM

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as long as you have it set with eselect kernel

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just emerge it

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:25 PM

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ok

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stupid question but what is it to rebuild intramfs again

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:26 PM

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the drivers should do that automatically but

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dracut -f

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:26 PM

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ok

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ill do it anyways

mossy plinth May 26, 2023, 6:26 PM

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you might have to specify which kernel if you have multiple

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so it would be

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dracut -f --kver 6.1.24-gentoo-dist

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then run

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grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

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and reboot into the kernel

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if using an older driver version fixes it (I assume your card just isn't supported anymore) it might make sense to just mask newer versions of the driver

nova herald May 26, 2023, 6:28 PM

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Well, according to NVIDIA version 470 should support it

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But then again that's nvidia

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On linux

#Dell Precision M6800 - Quadro K3100M x HD4600