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unreal pagoda
still radish
Su Alteza
brazen terrace
@glass dragon Thanks bro
alpine cradle
¿Nos conocemos? 
gusty ermine
No, soy nueva aquí.
gusty ermine
El servidor es cosa buena
Para aprender y hablar con gente que tiene intereses similares
Lo siento por errores 😅
alpine cradle
jaja no te disculpes
estamos aquí para aprender, nadie va a matarte por cometer errores
pienso lo mismo
especialmente #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante y #📗・preguntas-lounge me han ayudado muchísimo
gusty ermine
Ya veo. Gracias por su ayuda.
Tengo mucho que aprender sobre las características generales de la aplicación.
Así no aprendo algunas cosas aquí.
alpine cradle
Gracias por su ayuda
prefería tutearnos xd a menos que practiques el uso del usted
hmm, no es muy 'user-friendly', pero estoy seguro de que vas a acostumbrarte
puedo explicar algo si tienes dudas
gusty ermine
prefería tutearnos xd a menos que practiques el uso del usted
@alpine cradle ¿Qué tutearnos significa?
alpine cradle
usar el 'tú' en vez del 'usted'
Gracias por su ayuda // usted
Gracias por tu ayuda // tú
gusty ermine
puedo explicar algo si tienes dudas
Garcias. Hablo con su de una pregunta ^^
alpine cradle
hmm. pero pienso que eso se refiere a la persona que ayudó
gusty ermine
usar el 'tú' en vez del 'usted'
@alpine cradle yo conozco pero uso 'usted' para la gente que no mis amigos o mi familia.
alpine cradle
También se puede decir 'gracias por la ayuda' o 'gracias por ayudar[me]' //me es opcional
tal vez depende de la región(?)
aquí [casi] todos usan tú/vos en vez de usted
gusty ermine
Interesante, gracias por la información.
exotic kiteBOT
🆙 | reina leveled up!
alpine cradle
a la orden 
gusty ermine
@alpine cradle ¿Cómo uso 'principiante' nombre? Porque no hablo muy bien y todavía estoy aprendiendo
alpine cradle
en #703075065016877066 se hace clic a '' jaja está arriba
@gusty ermine
oh espera, el español será '
'
rain ermine
alpine cradle
dije a los mods que usaran 
pero no… 
vale quarry
viva los zorros and lobos 
".
alpine cradle
xd pero a uno de los mods pepe no le gusta
edgy quarry
;w;
alpine cradle
por cierto, para mí 
debería ser int y 
avanzado
edgy quarry
¿Por qué?
rain ermine
y tu ingles loxi es muy 
edgy quarry
Las gafas denotan swag.
edgy quarry
¿Ya no?
alpine cradle
a menudo, digo. Así que estoy olvidándolo xd
rain ermine
uf
wind yarrow
@trail basin I didn't want to get in trouble for clogging up the questions chat. I currently use Duolingo (when I feel like it, no pressure to keep a streak), a reading related app called LingQ, and watching content (mostly YouTube videos of people playing video games). I have a textbook but I almost never use it.
trail basin
nice, exposition is king
wind yarrow
Yeah I am going for a mostly immersion based approach since I want this to be fun for me. Flashcards and textbooks weren't fun and made me disinterested in learning so I pretty much cut them out completely. I know this approach may be slower but I don't want my hobby to feel like work. Spanish won't change my job or anything (except being able to speak to a few coworkers in their natuve language) so there isn't a rush for me.
I also refuse to set daily goals for the same reason. I do have some weekly goals (related to how much I read and watch/listen to) but I don't want to feel like I can't take days off if I want them so I found weekly goals are a good balance of not putting it all off and feeling like I have to "catch up" to a certain amount but also not stressing about spending a whole day in English or Japanese content.
trail basin
sounds wonderful, do you do the same with japanese? sounds kind of hard to apply that method in a language if you dont know perfectly hiragana, katakana and some kanjis
wind yarrow
Yes I do but I didn't start it as early with Japanese. I learned Hiragana and Katakana, some Kanji, and went through Genki 1 before I started really immersing a ton. I am not actively studying Japanese right now because trying to do both was too much but I still immerse some and do LingoDeer some just so I don't lose what I learned. I will jump back into Japanese more intensively when I get to a much better level in Spanish. They were both just too early in the learning process to commit enough time to both to make good progress.
I chose to focus on Spanish first because I took 3 years of latin in high school (and 1 year of Spanish) so between that and English the vocab and some grammar concepts are much more familiar and I felt like it will be a lot quicker to get to the point I want to be before taking on two languages at once.
High school was 12-16 years ago so not much is "recallable" but it doesn't take much to bring some of it back.
keen sundial
I put 5 years into Japanese
trail basin
latin? oh sounds fancy! except latin i did pretty much the same as you to get a (i'd like to think) decent level in english.
exotic kiteBOT
🆙 | Gwynbleidd leveled up!
keen sundial
I feel ya. I used to go to school and just write the katakana and hiragana alphabets
trail basin
after how much they got printed in your head?
keen sundial
I gave up on it though. There was no literal push for me. No professional reason, no friends who spoke it, nothing more than wanting to watch anime without subtitles
it really wasn't enough.
Well, I can...mostly... read simple japanese (phonetically) and I can understand simple phrases and words
but that's all I got after 5 years
trail basin
hahaha, same reason to learn it
keen sundial
it's not enough. learning a language is so insanely hard without the right motivation
wind yarrow
Mine is to play Japanese video games and just because I love learning new things and find languages and language learning fascinating in general.
trail basin
i mean i learned english for the media mostly so i don't think its that different for me
playing dark souls in japanese would be neat
keen sundial
right, but I promise you have had way more exposure to English than Japanese.
wind yarrow
I didn't get to delve into it much until recently though. I finished my masters degree last year, then got a jon and got settled in, then started languages.
keen sundial
Even if it wasn't the primary language you spoke.
Japanese is on a WHOLE nother level of difficult. There are few to almost no commonalities to English
wind yarrow
I am a final fantasy fanatic so thats the game series I want to play most. I have almost 2000 hours in Final Fantasy 14
keen sundial
You're learning from scratch, virtually everything
trail basin
yeah that kind of thing it feels discouraging, like you know nothing and progress is hard to see
wind yarrow
Thats another reason I decided to focus on Spanish first. Its helping me determine how I like to learn languages and how to see little steps of progress. I can already see some things I will do differently when I pick Japanese back up.
keen sundial
If you can learn languages easily, go for it. I'm going to focus on the most important language in my family and in the states here.
wind yarrow
My big thing with Japanese is I was really enjoying the learning process so I don't really care if it takes me 10 years, 20 years, or if I never get good at it as long as I am having fun along the way.
wind yarrow
Completely understandable. I am also in the states so Spanish will be more useful to me but I have troubke finding nearly as much native content I enjoy.
Like right now I am reading Harry Potter in Spanish because I am obsessed with Harry Potter but after this I want to find native books.
keen sundial
ah, anime watcher? 🙂
trail basin
what does the states mean ?
keen sundial
estados unidos
wind yarrow
Nope dont care for anime or manga.
trail basin
oh you meant that?
wind yarrow
But the amounf of Japanese video games I love makes up for it lol
Yes by states I meant the united states. we often refer to them as "the states" very casually.
trail basin
the amount of weird kanjis that must exist in japanese games
wind yarrow
Haha yeah my vocab will be very fantasy heavy.
keen sundial
Some Spanish stuff I like
La casa de papel
Narcos (y Mexico)
El Hoyo
Instructions Not Included
There's lots of good stuff
vital ginkgo
Did anyone say anime? 👀
keen sundial
Instructions not included is HILLARIOUS
wind yarrow
I will have to look into that. I am not a big TV person though. Much prefer books and video games (and YT content about video games)
keen sundial
y tu mamá tambíen is good too
Instructions not included and my last mention are movies
El Hoyo too
Los Perros...
ah... there's so much!
trail basin
ah you see in my country we usually differenciate between living in the "states" (or provincias) and the capital state, so it seemed like you did that too
edgy quarry
Has anyone said... anime?
keen sundial
not this guy
edgy quarry
uwu
fallow dock
what a nice tool
rough lava
@still radish is 8k a lot? i feel like most other bots are more
and i've been slowly coding the bot since january of 2018
eager wagon
@gusty ermine Hi Semmie. You have your DMs disabled so I'll post it here. Can I please remind you that speaking other languages on the server is not permitted. You can ask for the explanation of a word but we don't hold conversations in other languages
gusty ermine
Oo cuando lo hice?:0 ya lo olvidé
eager wagon
con Ladron en italiano
eager wagon
Me parecía más que preguntar el significado de una palabra, sí
alpine cradle
gusty ermine
🦓
eager wagon
🦩
alpine cradle
discúlpate, Nil
gusty ermine
🐿️
eager wagon
gusty ermine
Me parecía más que preguntar el significado de una palabra, sí
@eager wagon todo bien, gracias por educarme
glass dragon
@rain ermine are you getting your permit soon?
rain ermine
corona exists
and maybe my dad may start to teach me some basic stuff
but the school may have lessons
glass dragon
Oh really? My school never had classes
rain ermine
thats what i think
hot shard
Textbook
@main hatch What does that even mean?
That quote is weird without the picture 👀
main hatch
@hot shard A book that is also a text
Going by the definition of text (noun) listed here
main hatch
It is, but I assumed it could be inferred based on the meanings of “masculine” and “feminine”
But here’s the explanation
My original point is that my test* on the textbook content and the textbook content itself had a major discrepancy XD
So the context itself is another issue entirely XD
Well, multiple issues.
First off, Why is a Communications textbook talking about societal gender roles?
The answer to that question itself is quite interesting, and is another problem with this whole thing
Basically the whole point of it saying all this stuff in a communications context is that we should be respectful of and accommodate other people’s views, even when those views are that women are subservient and inferior to men.
desert mortar
But here’s the explanation
@main hatch Wow ColOmbia Is never spelt right by anyone
valid junco
Enough spam for the morning
I hope you don't mind
Also I got a good mic
Would there be any interest in a slow Spanish podcast sort of think? With pdfs and all
For free ofc
Yes?
He'll naw weirdo
Yes pls
Votee
median trail
columbia 
calm flax
IKR
main hatch
The two people who wrote the textbook really like using big terminology (or making up their own big terminology) to make themselves sound smart. I doubt they actually care about accuracy as long as they look intelligent XD
For example...
“Gender expectation continuum”
slender hamlet
Aren't we more expectant of females
gusty ermine
Physically, emotionally and mentally, yeah.
Venezuela used to be (and some people still are today) a very sexist country. However, I can't see how that relates to having "masculine traits" or wahtever that means xD
You'd be surprised by the huuuge amount of single moms there are in here, and how even in "classical households" the woman has a very dominant and strict personality and at the same time they have really high beauty standard expectations (some feel proud by the amount of beauty pageants competitions we've won). Maybe that's what they mean by "masculine values"?
smoky comet
@main hatch we never had such a lessons. Only medical lessons for girls.
slender hamlet
You'd be surprised by the huuuge amount of single moms there are in here, and how even in "classical households" the woman has a very dominant and strict personality and at the same time they have really high beauty standard expectations (some feel proud by the amount of beauty pageants competitions we've won). Maybe that's what they mean by "masculine values"?
@gusty ermine
Well, I mean. I see no single woman in high risk building construction, heavy jobs, with a lower life expectancy or quite fans of tech and Engineering areas as much as men.
Perhaps because men are already expected to be like that, only women appear reluctant to some nagging on how to "do their part" in the society
junior thicket
I think it's more on what is seen as valuable, rather than what people actually do. As you said, "You know how many women do x and x and x (things that are considered masculine) here?"
When a woman as a single mom is assertive and pulls her own weight she is praised. Women who are docile and softer aren't praised as much
(This is what I think the book is talking about at least)
slender hamlet
In the western society
Huh
Maybe
Why is it tagged as masculine tho
Like, they want to pinpoint those we're traditionality male assets?
I don't think single moms are praised
gusty ermine
Idk. The "masculine values" thing looks completely nonsense to me. Like, every society has their own way of adressing masculinity, how can you messure that by 1 single standard? Here in Vzla is Expected to a Woman to have at least some kind of Dominant features, because that's just something Venezuelans in general have. I don´t think a single mom is more masculine than a married woman, because they're just struggling in different ways.
junior thicket
Well, they are considered masculine traits in most western societies
slender hamlet
But rather seen as naive
junior thicket
naive?
slender hamlet
Single dads receive a lot more attention as people usually expect them to flee
Idk. The "masculine values" thing looks completely nonsense to me. Like, every society has their own way of adressing masculinity, how can you messure that by 1 single standard? Here in Vzla is Expected to a Woman to have at least some kind of Dominant features, because that's just something Venezuelans in general have. I don´t think a single mom is more masculine than a married woman, because they're just struggling in different ways.
@gusty ermine I guess they refer to Western culture here
Especially American and European
gusty ermine
But that doesn't make any sense. How is Iceland standard of masculinity related to the Italian one, for example?
junior thicket
Listen, I'm just saying it can't be denied that there are traits that are considered masculine and femenine. Say, being emotional vs agressive etc etc
I believe what this is talking about is that "Masculine" traits are, in general, praised, even when women aren't really supposed to display them and are actually often shamed for it
slender hamlet
Iceland is not considered in their stats and analysis, I guess
junior thicket
I do agree it's kinda hard to measure all those cultures together. It's seeing it from an european/american point of view probably
slender hamlet
Oh ya
junior thicket
Here in Vzla is Expected to a Woman to have at least some kind of Dominant features, because that's just something Venezuelans in general have.
@gusty ermine In fact, this right here might actually be what we're talking about. if someone from the US sees assertiveness as a masculine trait, and sees that it is expected in this society to be like this, they might think it's a society where "masculinity" is more praised, when actuality it is just that assertiveness is praised
slender hamlet
I just find it very close minded that they get too focuses in social manners and perks of clear female disadvantage and claim it is such a sacrilege situation
When like
You won't see any woman if any sacrificing their life for someone else or the country
Every sex has different advantages or disadvantages for certain fields
junior thicket
I mean, that is as always debatable. There are different cultural expectations. But yes, the fact is that each gender has it's advantages and disadvantages
slender hamlet
I see the point tho
Funny enough
I remember this article about both women and men feeling more satisified about receiving a compliment of a male superior than a female superior
junior thicket
hm, that could be interesting
I'm a bit skeptical of gender studies nowadays tho. There always seems to be some flaw or another
gusty ermine
I think they're useful as long as you understand that it tries to analyse the subject from a very specific poit of view and that whatever the numbers tell you, it doesn't always reflect cause
slender hamlet
regarding assertiveness, I had a female teacher who was tutoring on financial information and she was dominant af. All students were afraid of her and respected her.
But then, that kinda explained how she reached her position as boss in some fields.
Although, I don't think she had any issue looking "masculine"
She is married with children
median trail
I'm so proud Spanish natives are becoming more active here uwu
while speaking English I mean
uwU
Uwu
slender hamlet
Like, I don't know if that is the main concern of the article being like "If you don't fit femenine standards you won't be recognized by the society"?
As a woman, of course.
I'm so proud Spanish natives are becoming more active here uwu
@median trail haha ♥
gusty ermine
I'm so proud Spanish natives are becoming more active here uwu
@median trail We have to use this thing right?
median trail
what "thing"?
gusty ermine
I mean this channel. I haven't seen a lot of the users from the others channels here. But I've just been here for a few days tho.
vast pumice
so for the multiplication property of square roots negatives aren't allowed
oh no
complex numbers wouldn't be in square roots anyway
slender hamlet
--->
root (-1) (-3) = root (3)
root (-1) (-3) (-1) = root (-1) root (3)
slender hamlet
they were explaining that to you in the image
vast pumice
ok
vast pumice
what do you mean uneven?
slender hamlet
by uneven i refer to multiplications that are x3, x5 and any result that makes it negative
slender hamlet
I'd suggest to try http://symbolab.com/solver/equation-calculator if you wanna experiment with those rules
yeah, that's what I was saying
vast pumice
They were not explaining to me that, at least I do not believe so. I think they were just trying to say that it's false.
thank you Arlette for your suggestion
slender hamlet
root (-1)(-52) is not equal to root (-1) root (-52)
vast pumice
yes
vast pumice
but what would root (-1) root (-52) equal to?
slender hamlet
root (52)
vast pumice
and what would root (-1)(-52) equal to?
slender hamlet
oops
I mean
root (52) = root (-1)•(-52)
root (-1) • root (-52) will require you to apply imaginary numbes
since root (-1) = i
so you'd have i • root (-52)
vast pumice
-2sqrt(13)
slender hamlet
ya
vast pumice
I understand now
slender hamlet
Yeah, I mean if you think about it multiplying two roots isn't equal to multiplying the numbers within a root haha
vast pumice
haha
yes, only for nonnegative numbers
I guess convention made me internalize some things, not for their logic, but what their symbols are like
I feel a slight sense of uneasiness which I do not understand, but hopefully that is just because I haven't fully accepted it yet
rather than misunderstanding
slender hamlet
Well, since we quantify in positive numbers, at some point we need to convert negatives into positives... Or so I recall from Physics with vectors and stuff.
Often Theory offers easier and more methodic rules what to empathize with. I'm rather sketchy with the whole thing since I haven't seen those for some months now.
slender hamlet
Math theory
vast pumice
oh
median trail
wait
slender hamlet
like, you know for "symbols"
vast pumice
I am not familiar with the subject, just the school of thought
vast pumice
yes
slender hamlet
we use a number line
median trail
arlette are you doing maths at uni
slender hamlet
where to locate every number including imaginary ones
vast pumice
for real numbers or is it not in the cartesian plane
slender hamlet
nono like
vast pumice
oh
slender hamlet
the imaginary too
vast pumice
or.. the equivalent of a real number
is it not the slope, that is the equivalent of a real number for the complex number
gusty ermine
<@&583624863546081290> What do you think about the two us military bases in spain?
gusty ermine
What bases.
Moron air base & Naval station Rota
Didn't know about their existence xd.
high solstice
gusty ermine
Damn haha guess nothing then
edgy quarry
NATO, dude.
dapper bough
jajaja messi pelado
edgy quarry
xD
main hatch
A small town department store near me that’s been around for like 118 years iirc is going out of business
abstract scaffold
gusty ermine
@late jewel 
late jewel
gusty ermine
sure
trail basin
What does it mean total expenditure equals total income
gusty ermine
expenditure doesnt affect income because without income there is no expenditure
so
hm
trail basin
Thats when we talk about individuals, not countries right
gusty ermine
yes
trail basin
Since every act of spending results in income for somebody else, total spending for the economy as a whole equals total income.
Would someone explain this like I'm five?
slender hamlet
You buy an apple bag for 2 USD. You've spent 2 USD, however the seller earned 2 USD.
Let's assume that's your only transaction for both of you the whole day.
In the end, only 2 USD were spent and 2 USD were earned.
In a more bigger picture, this is a way to say that money fluctuates and if there are major losses or major earnings, something is going wrong because we can't earn more than what is really spent nor spend more than what we earn.
dapper bough
yeah but not in this channel
gusty ermine
ok
indigo girder
oh shiiit mz spanish teacher is chilean
thisll be fun.
main hatch
My Spanish professor is Estadounidense.
Una gringa
She’s really nice though, and I’d rather have a nice and still competent estadounidense professor than a mean native speaker professor XD
vital ginkgo
It doesn't matter whether she's native or not. My English teacher from the academy is amazing and she's Spanish
The point is teaching, as you said
still radish
true being native is probably overrated
the real value for native speakers is for translating from their own language
alpine cradle
I personally think non-natives are 'better' since they had to learn the language themselves. Maybe they have some 'tricks' or can explain certain things better
but teachers always study their language so I'm not sure it really matters
still radish
pronunciation could be an issue
alpine cradle
but speaking of let's say your friends, natives usually say 'this sounds fine/wrong' but leave you with no explanation
this is me with Polish ^ xd
still radish
I always say that I speak English perfectly but don't understand it
vital ginkgo
Same with Spanish, I feel usless when people ask me and all I can do is saying whether it sounds good or not for me and hoping for Evil or an non-Spanish to explain it better
alpine cradle
true, but you have to learn a lot of stuff to become a teacher, so it doesn't really matter imo [but I agree with the pronunciation]
Pero me encanta cuando me ayudas, Nocto 
y nadie de ellos es del norte
vital ginkgo
Will you visit the north?
alpine cradle
no quiero mentirte, no sé mucho de la geografía de España
pero sí me gustaría viajar a San Sebastian
y Toledo, pero estás preguntándome sobre el norte
edgy quarry
Toledo es justo el medio, se permite.
Es una ciudad preciosa, hay espadas en cada maldita tienda que veas.
*
edgy quarry
Bueno, es la verdadera capital de España. (?)
Realmente nunca pienso en España como una dualidad norte-sur.
Si eso el sur es Andalucía + Murcia + Canarias, pero Castilla... meh.
*
edgy quarry
Yo es que divido con regiones históricas. :v
hot shard
¡Qué mentira! jajajaja
thin copper
still radish
ashen mist
hola
hollow wedge
uum, with voice recorder in windows?
or if that doesn't give you mp3, and you really want mp3, you can use a program called Audacity, I use that one sometimes
@rain ermine
I'm sure there is also a recorder on your phone
grizzled hedge
An epic podcast
rain ermine
some thing for spanish
i dont really speak in spanish im gonna sound weird by slurring all my words
hollow wedge
you gonna make an aotw thing?
rain ermine
no its for summer school
grizzled hedge
I only see English natives doing English and Spanish natives doing soanish there - can an English native post a Spanish clip to be critiqued?
grizzled hedge
Ah gotcha
I thought one was just the chat place for the audio of the week clips
Gotcha gotcha
vestal pine
oh my
they just put professional dancers in mocap suits im p sure lmao
@silver crypt
silver crypt
It's still funny
marsh linden
any of you maths geniuses know what that I is called?
cursive wave
Wtf
eager wagon
cursive wave
🏃♂️
vital ginkgo
cursive wave
What do you want?
marsh linden
Just if you knew what that I was called so I can look it up
I think I get what it means but like
I wanna be 100% sure but copy-pasting doesn't work
xd
still radish
is that the product symbol
still radish
cursive wave
The "product symbol" you are thinking of is a stylized capital "pi" @still radish
narrow phoenix
marsh linden
I think it's some kind of weird if (?)
I think it's some kind of binary thing but I don't really know how to look it up
cursive wave
Ohhh
Dude it's literally right there
It's the indicator function it's used to denote if something is or isn't part of a set...
It's like a pairwise function that only assigns 1 or 0
eager wagon
marsh linden
oh its called an indicator function?
eager wagon
Creo que mentir es malo
cursive wave
eager wagon
gusty ermine
qué paper @marsh linden
cursive wave
It's an indicator function cuz it indicates if something is in the set or not @marsh linden
gusty ermine
o en ese caso, indica si r y omega son iguales o no
marsh linden
im so stupid lol
gusty ermine
no, esta bien xD
marsh linden
🙃
gusty ermine
para me un i así significa integers como un set
así que
no es normal escribirlo así
marsh linden
but from what I saw online that's not the standard way of writing an indicator function?
marsh linden
I saw like 1subscript(something)
cursive wave
So the indicator function will set that term go zero, eg. Remove C from the equation, if r and omega are equal
marsh linden
yeah
gusty ermine
yea, or they use use the kronecker delta*
what kind of paper is that, is it like game theoretic*
cursive wave
Yea so the subscript would indicate when the indicator function returns 1 or 0
marsh linden
yea ish
gusty ermine
ah ok*
also if you wonder why convex is important*
is so they can optimise to find a maximum or minimum*
marsh linden
yeah
gusty ermine
ok *
marsh linden
i remember that from micro 1 
marsh linden
intentare
cursive wave
Haha yea enjoy your paper
marsh linden
this paper gets.... technical...
gusty ermine
me gusta leer el abstract y la conclusion
🙃
gusty ermine
no omg*
marsh linden
econometrica articles are obviously the best there are but like...
they can be a real pain to read
gusty ermine
it looks scary but it is just plug and play from skimming it*
but it is not friendly on the eyes at all*
marsh linden
yeah i just need to take the bits i want for my own paper
i only need the basics of it anyway
http://www.preferencesfortruthtelling.com/
But you know you have a ridiculous paper on your hands when the authors devote an entire website to it 
marsh linden
shit if i put in the work they must have put into this paper id get an ego from it too ngl
gusty ermine
so true though xD*
you become an expert in your tiny corner of academia xD*
o lo que sea
marsh linden
yeah haha
lone furnace
hot shard
Looks like a typo of moreover
Truth be told, I was about to say that, and then saw the words "academic paper" and I ended up looking up the word to verify it wasn't something obscure :v
Creo que es probablamente porque el autocorrectión marcaría todo lo allí incorrecto
marsh linden
i think its a typo
alpine cradle
It's your opinion, sir.
marsh linden
wait I have another maths question then
if anyone is still here that understands this kind of thing
hot shard
¿Qué tan pronto es demasiado pronto para leer un libro en español?
vital ginkgo
It's never too early nor too late
stable yoke
Go for a graded reader. I can dm you some A1 graded readers. That's the most basic level
marsh linden
@gusty ermine sorry to ping you but if this returns one when omega is in the set E, how would I write the inverse? That it would return 1 only if omega isn't in the set E
just with a negative sign?
hot shard
Y quiero comprar un libro de Manuel Vázques Montalbán, probablamente Tatuaje.
gusty ermine
the inverse of an indicator function would be mapping the values of f and 0 to elements of the set E, so that 1 maps to omega and the rest map to remaining elements @marsh linden *
marsh linden
Because the cost only kicks in if r isn't equal to omega for what im doing
gusty ermine
f(1) = omega, f(0) = literally everything else*
marsh linden
I mean I could write C-1omega(r)*C but it looks a bit ugly
gusty ermine
you want f(x) = 1 if x\nin set*,
so just say that define your function like that and define what is in your set of sets is *
wait i'm sorry what are we talking about xD*
marsh linden
so the way they did it in the paper is you have the state of the world omega and a report r
and you incur a cost C if your report is not equal to the state of the world
gusty ermine
C-1omega(r)*C = C(1- Indicator of (R)) also
and you can rewrite (1 -Indicator of (R)) assuming it is defined the way it is in the paper,*
by just switching them around*
marsh linden
the cop out is probably just to use their notation but id rather use something more standard (?)
gusty ermine
let me reread the bit again*
i think it depends on where you study because in math, we just use the kronecker delta, but i'm not familiar with econometrics.
But like you said the opposite of your statement ...you have the state of the world omega and a report r and you incur a cost C if your report is not equal to the state of the world is just that ...you have the state of the world omega and a report r and you do not incur a cost C if your report is not equal to the state of the world and so if you choose and omega and an r and they are not equal you want it return 0 so that the cost vanishes. thus, i say it is fine to simply switch the function around so instead of 1 if, r =/= omega you want 0 if r =/= omega * so yea, just switch that around in how you define your indicator function with \mathbb{I}_{r ==\omega} = { 1 if r == omega, otherwise, 0} of course this is less clean because we have undefined behavior at al those points now because idk what happens if r and omega aren't equal otherthan just forcing it to zero. @marsh linden
that is the correct way to write an indictor function*
but that other way with the thicc I*
reads as, to me, the set of all integers*
gusty ermine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/383377678385938432/723138626535293008/unknown.png
So this to me reads as The set complement of the set of all integers where r is not equal to omega and i'm like wtf does that mean*
marsh linden
god typing this out in lyx is a pain
sec....
like this?
it takes up more space but means I don't have to worry about any of the issues you mentioned
oh woops
with a -C there
gusty ermine
yea that looks good, the second if is not needed xD* you can just write otherwise
it's like an if -else loop*
marsh linden
Like this?
gusty ermine
because also if there are only 2 cases, the function should be determined either a number is equal or not equal to another number the archimedia principal or something like tht*
yea
oh i see*
now it's not clear that it is an indicator func* huh
marsh linden
wdym?
gusty ermine
maybe i'm being paranoid, i think keep it as it was before* but i think it should be fine other way
gusty ermine
the more verbose one with if r=/= omega looks better *
ah ok xD
bivarite function, 2 variables either r = w or not, you defined that case so done idk * to me it is fine
marsh linden
oh and if ive got you here i might as well ask you one more quick question, theres this one line that i cant really understand that laurens wasnt too sure about either
maybe you know what itd mean
c is a function that maps to the (weak) positive reals
what does weak mean here?
gusty ermine
?
oh
i think it depends on how you build the real numbers*
but there is a special construction of the real numbres that takes into account different types of infinity*
marsh linden
marsh linden
noooo youve been a lifesaver
gusty ermine
Thinks like the archemedian principle stop working*
and that's basically how we force numbers to be bigger or smaller*
because you can aways scale it by a natural number or whteever*
but this is really crazy if thinking about approaching 1 or 0 with infinites *
it breaks down* but i don't remember how *
xD
yea i really don't know i googled to check and there's a lot of stuff out there not related to what i just said so i'm sorry i really don't know xD; *
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alpine cradle
gusty ermine
also found htis nifty paper*
could also just refer finite precision b/c irl infinite isn't like a real thing to compute*
so we get close to it*
and this paper says the classify real numbers based on how close you can get to them*
computable real numbers (EC), we havethe classes of semi-computable (SC), weakly computable (WC), divergence bounded computable(DBC) and computably approximable real numbers (CA). *
marsh linden
i see...
gusty ermine
c is a function that maps to the (weak) positive reals is this the cost function?*
marsh linden
yeah
c is a function that maps to the (weak) positive reals and denotes the cost of lying. We
suppose that c has a minimum when r = ω, which is not necessarily unique. (For some
specifications, for example fixed costs of lying, c will not be differentiable in its arguments.) For our calibrational exercises, we normalize c(ω ω) = 0, so that individuals
experience no cost when they tell the truth.
gusty ermine
o ok, i think it means that what i siad about rationals being used to approxiamte really real real numbers* you can always send an email over to them too xD I do that sometimes i get free papers lol
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marsh linden
That's true haha
gusty ermine
don't wanna break my own hardcore rule but the bot keeps notifying me of not having a learning spanish role. But I can't find that in #roles . Am I dumb?
alpine cradle
;r 494827167335579659 o ls
@gusty ermine how about now?
I've assigned it for you 
but for future reference, it should have been .iam learning english in #🤖・general-bot (I think everything is explained in #596718916256923649 )
edgy quarry
Oh, that was the role needed.
keen sundial
so I was learning spanish at my pace. But now... I need to learn even faster
vestal pine
Por qué
alpine cradle
sigues escribiendo en castellano sin el rol hardcore
keen sundial
mi esposa esta embarazada. We just found out last week.
vestal pine
felicidades
keen sundial
yo quiero ser feliz...pero mi emociones are killin me.
vestal pine
lmao
gusty ermine
@alpine cradle gracias
calm flax
@keen sundial estás feliz? nervioso?
trail basin
Congratulashions
keen sundial
I’m all the things and nothing all at once @calm flax
You know for the first 3 days after I heard, I maintained an almost 150 bpm heart rate
Stress is real
calm flax
lol yes
yes it is
you should have seen my wife and I, putting together furniture in the early stages labor after the water broke
"I'm trying to make the baby come out!"
keen sundial
Lmao. Get it out!!
Well my options were... bail out of this situation and instantly become the most worthless man on the planet. Or stick by her and spend the rest of my life with the girl I already committed myself to
calm flax
sounds like option B then!
past harbor
Felicidades
keen sundial
gracias @past harbor I'm still trying to get my head in a good place on the news
past harbor
Otro lobito a la manada
rain ermine
theyll grow up quick
eager wagon
Felicidades @keen sundial
Ahora ya debes ponerte hardcore y aprender! 
Podemos hacer vocabulario de bebés con @past harbor en #722151192486084608
past harbor
keen sundial
si, voy a aprender mucho aquí y con mi bebé
last vault
Qué es ese canal?
past harbor
Para repasar vocabulario
Yo pongo imágenes y la gente adivina
Hoy hemos hecho vocabulario de ropa
Mañana quizás haga cocina o cosas de escuela
O si no frutas/verduras
last vault
No lo veo
past harbor
Está oculto, sólo se abre cuando se juega
past harbor
Yo pongo imágenes y la gente debe decir cómo se dice en español
O inglés. Según aprenda
Y ya
vital ginkgo
I see
junior thicket
@celest bay Hey do you know about the netflix show gentefied?
I found out about it a few days ago
peep Julissa, La Julissa, in the corner 
tribal spear
hi
outer flame
hello
celest bay
ahhhh julissa
hot shard
¿De qué trata?
unreal pagoda
have you forgotten any more polish words
unreal pagoda
no te comprendo, que significas " "
alpine cradle
Yesterday was awful, but i'm trying to repair everything today
unreal pagoda
ohhhhh
alpine cradle
what do you mean, my beloved Pixi
unreal pagoda
yeah i forgot that quickly.
well, i had car issues, and then the DMV (department of motor vehicles) wouldn't answer my call, and i wasted my taxi money at the car shop and had to come back
i cried, a lot yesterday...
but i fixed it
and its friday
unreal pagoda
meeeeeeeeeee toooooooooooooo
alpine cradle
I thought something really bad happened to you 
unreal pagoda
i also have to call a wedding place 
no not really, only emocionally xD
wait, thats the spanish spelling
unreal pagoda
yes haha thats the goal when you're engadged
alpine cradle
I didn't know you were engaged or…… I completely forgot
unreal pagoda
lol no. I dated a polish guy once 
he was not a good bf.
alpine cradle
Excuse me 
I'm lost af
unreal pagoda
he must not have embraced his polish heritage
we are having two diferent conversations
alpine cradle
anyway, I just want you to be happy
unreal pagoda
the oranges have surpassed me
alpine cradle
occur / simultaneously are the ones I had to use recently
alpine cradle
yeah, with a dictionary 
unreal pagoda
hollow wedge
I mess up with definition, I always want the second i to be an e
those schwas are hard to decode
unreal pagoda
i mess up with restaraunt and guess what, its basically the same in all languages
alpine cradle
definitely 
unreal pagoda
look i did it again
i hate that word, and these language apps want me to use it all the f'in time
I HATE IT
alpine cradle
rest-au-rant
hollow wedge
yeah, I want to say definately haha
alpine cradle
you rant while resting in Australia
hollow wedge
separate yeah haha
unreal pagoda
hollow wedge
its the ones where the pronunciation throws you off
also "pronunciation" is a tough one for me
unreal pagoda
schedule is a common one here
hollow wedge
where are you from?
hollow wedge
I like how they say shedule in the uk
unreal pagoda
shhhhhhhedjuuul
hollow wedge
yeah, like with an sh
hollow wedge
haha, very funny
unreal pagoda
alpine cradle
I don't mess up pronunciation for some reason
unreal pagoda
oh i was listening in on the reading session last week, do you guys ever listen to those?
~~show off @alpine cradle ~~
hollow wedge
pronounce something, pronunciation, watafuk
alpine cradle
I think there was time where I used it a lot
hollow wedge
where did the o go?
alpine cradle
yeah but the vowel quality is different too
unreal pagoda
is it really pronunciation? omg.......... my life... is a lie
hollow wedge
true
alpine cradle
u is like in duck
hollow wedge
ahahah
alpine cradle
that's how I think of it
unreal pagoda
U like Hug?
hollow wedge
I think some people might say pronounciation
alpine cradle
sip
unreal pagoda
i do
alpine cradle
omg it's raining and I have laundry outside, brb
hollow wedge
both what?
hollow wedge
yeah then you are probably saying hug with a short u
unreal pagoda
i am short, thank you
hollow wedge
haha, imagine someone saying hug with a southern drawl
unreal pagoda
i can 😄
hollow wedge
then it would be like huuuug right?
unreal pagoda
the best is when someone says "corn"
still radish
unreal pagoda
lets see what i can find. its like a glottal stop
hollow wedge
how do they pronounce it?
still radish
cuhurn?
hollow wedge
haha that sounds weird
still radish
no shit 
unreal pagoda
i cant find anything but in southern american accent, corn has two syllables almost. co-rn.
alpine cradle
aren't you from the northeast?
you probably want to say "inside" here
I shan't disagree
unreal pagoda
This lady tells you a lot of different southern words that are common to the south. Some regions in America might not even know these words.
I started the video at 1:15, where she starts talking about "hush puppies" (yum). She tells you they are made with "co-rn meal". https://youtu.be/VDSFM1AWyv8?t=75
hollow wedge
yeah a little bit "cuorn" sounding
unreal pagoda
yeah thats a good spelling of it
hollow wedge
I like how she says pants and underwear
unreal pagoda
they dont even realize it.
oh yes i know all of those but some people are not. I was raised kind of southern
hollow wedge
ofc not, unless they consciously try to reduce their accent
unreal pagoda
i mentioned it to a friend and she said "what? no i do not... two syllables... whatev.... cu-orn holy shit"
unreal pagoda
i looove southern accents. Especially creole and Louisiana accents
unreal pagoda
yes its a mixture of different languages
cajun yes
creole is the language, cajun would be the accent, sorry
have i showed you coonass yet?
unreal pagoda
hahaha
hollow wedge
no, show me
unreal pagoda
muhfuggin coonass kevin ❤️ he's pretty easy to understand to me
after 1:10 i get lost 
hollow wedge
there is a great documentary on youtube called "mountain talk"
unreal pagoda
he's not faking, this guy gets out on the river and drinks all day catching 'gators
hollow wedge
its about appalachian accents
hollow wedge
you don't understand after 1:10?
unreal pagoda
i can, but im like gahddamn this guy is a drunk and a half
unreal pagoda
hahah yeah thats a southern thing to say too
or you can say "tore up from the floor up"
hollow wedge
https://youtu.be/eKDh9Ce5WgI?t=111
"an he hook'"
unreal pagoda
YES
sudden quest
That is quite southern lol
hollow wedge
tore instead of torn, yeah
unreal pagoda
"AN HE JUH GONE SINK DOWNA BO'M"
sudden quest
unreal pagoda
"tore up from the floor up" sounds like
"toe uhp frum dah flow uhp"
sudden quest
Catfish Cooley is an icon
unreal pagoda
that guys a creep xD
hollow wedge
loool that video
sudden quest
incredibly lol
sudden quest
I've always wanted to go to Louisiana
hollow wedge
you from there tickled?
unreal pagoda
i love going. it has 1800s architecture and everyone gets drunk.
no i just love to visit
last time i went i was too young to party
sudden quest
aww
unreal pagoda
👁️ 👁️
hollow wedge
there are two of them, there is this one, and another one that looks like it was made at the same time by the same people that is about the moonshine guy
popcorn sutton
unreal pagoda
can you talk liek that
liek... nice... yeah im just going to give up on spelling, sorry in advanced, good luck
hollow wedge
I don't think I can do it convincingly, I have a very hard time doing a different accent from my americanized one
this is the other one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glQjCKAI4gA
unreal pagoda
HE SAYS "pronUnciation"
hollow wedge
haha yeah, maybe you just never gave it notice before
unreal pagoda
he's serving "boiled peanuts", very southern
hollow wedge
funny story about the title, the guy keeps saying for the whole film that this is his last batch, and that he wont be making likker anymore, meanwhile the guy keeps going, gets arrested with hundreds, if not thousands, of gallons of moonshine under his house and gets sentenced to federal prison, he has been to local prison before, but he didn't want to go to federeral prison so he shot himself
unreal pagoda
"its hillbilly staal er sumn laakdat ionno dis us mown tawlk"
unreal pagoda
unreal pagoda
yeah moonshine, we have a lot of that in my state too
hollow wedge
we had some in my town
I remember
in Iceland lol
wait, how much is a liter of spirit where you are from?
hollow wedge
or whatever unit you like hehe
unreal pagoda
so we measure our liquor differently than we measure our other liquids. In the grocery store, you buy a gallon of juice, or a gallon of milk. In liquor, you buy a uhhhhh idk, people just say "the bigger one". But, having worked in a liquor store, i know its "750mL" or the bigger "1.75L"
for beer and other similar bottles/cans you just say ounces. "Its a 12oz bottle / its an 18oz can". Fun fact, if you say "i'd like a 40(oz)", it's always beer/malt liquor.
many places dont sell groceries and liquor in the same place
hollow wedge
yeah I often hear oz for alcohol
yeeah, I was wondering that before, about 40s, I never heard of a 40 being anything other than beer or malt liquor
damn 1.75 of what? that's a big container
thats almost half a gallon
unreal pagoda
wine or hard liquor. usually to serve at a bar or to keep for mixed drinks
40oz bottles became popular in america during 1980's, typically used by malt liquor companies to bottle their beer. not sure why. so the name sticks, "i'd like a 40" means "i'd like a beer/malt beverage in a large bottle".
another fun fact, the popular brands have like 8% abv
hollow wedge
yeah it's quite strong
1.75L of strong liquor is very big, I never see those kinds of bottles
hollow wedge
well with wine i do, box wine, but hard liquor no, usually in 500ml or 700ml containers
unreal pagoda
ah ok. yeah very popular for people that make mixed drinks at home
what are come common hard liquor brands from iceland
hollow wedge
hehe from iceland, idk, we have very little, nothing anyone would know
I think vodka is the most popular hard liquor
traditionally it would be akvavit < idk how to spell that
I was right, its a scandinavian spirit
or schnapps
the only traditional icelandic hard liquor lol
its pretty bad
tastes of caraway
unreal pagoda
oh caraway, thats like fennel or licorice taste
gross
licorice and fennel flavors are with Jaeger meister and i think absinthe, right?
hollow wedge
its nothing like licorice imo
idk ho fennel tastes
jaeger meister does not taste of caraway
I think it tastes of licorice
absinthe, not sure, i think there are a lot of varieties
unreal pagoda
yeah jaeger definitely tastes like licorice. maybe brennivin doesnt taste so bad, if it doesnt taste like jaeger.
i have to go visit my mother and take care of somehting for her, I'll be back later 😄
hollow wedge
ahahaha, jaeger is way tastier than brennivin, but i guess you don't like licorice, here in the north people love the stuff
alpine cradle
You use the previous avatar
hollow wedge
@alpine cradle what?
alpine cradle
Pixi tuvo esa foto hace un rato
hollow wedge
ah ok
alpine cradle
no me di cuenta porque uso el modo compacto (no sé cómo se llama en castellano)
hollow wedge
para mí no, pero tal vez si te has acostumbrado a lo otro
a lo otro es correcto?
o se debe usar al otro?
@ocean skiff
ocean skiff
al otro modo
hollow wedge
pero, o sea, es incorrecto decir "a lo otro"?
alpine cradle
Una vez usé IRC por unos 3 meses 
hollow wedge
me suena mejor decir al otro de todos modos
@alpine cradle yo nunca use irc más que un día
ocean skiff
si me suena raro a lo otro
hollow wedge
ok, gracias
trail basin
is bitcoin fiat?
sinful imp
no es fiat. fiat dinero es un dinero material
trail basin
esta en la definicion? porque perfectamente podria ser digital y no veo porque dejaria de ser fiat
calm flax
traditionally it would be akvavit < idk how to spell that
@hollow wedge ooh i know this, we call it aquavit
pensaba que fiat era dinero respaldado por otros materiales (el oro por ejemplo)
por supongo que por definición tendría que ser que algo de que la gente se fiara
edgy quarry
Puede ser.
calm flax
@glass dragon tú tb veías letterkenny no?
glass dragon
Sí @calm flax
glass dragon
A veces me gusta muchísimo y a veces es muy aburrido jajaja
tawdry lake
Hey
Does this headset icon, simply mean that the user does not have a headset connected?
I know the other symbol means they've just muted themselves within Discord
It says "Deafened" when I hover over it
gentle heath
u can deafen urself in discord too
tawdry lake
Oh right, thanks. That's an interesting option...
still radish
lo uso a veces
smoky comet
Hello. I am choosing a display for gaming. Any suggestions?
edgy quarry
High refresh rate and fast response time.
edgy quarry
It's measured in Hz, but I think it has a 1:1 relation with FPS...
Normal screens have 60Hz, mostly.
Gaming ones... well, more than 120.
still radish
tengo 144 hz 