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hybrid rampart
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stiff maple
Yo puedo
hybrid rampart
Es un Intento de hacer un idioma eslavico fusionado
stiff maple
Pero no es el ruso moderno
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hybrid rampart
Casi todos los demas, ucraniano, bulgaro etc
stiff maple
Ah
stiff maple
Ya veo
stiff maple
Sip
stiff maple
Si lo preguntaste, probablemente no te lo dije 😄
Pero basta decir que sé hablar ruso
hybrid rampart
@stiff maple Ah bueno vale
Jajajaja
Que otros idiomas hablas?
Si no es entrometerse mucho claro
stiff maple
Pues, el ruso, el inglés, y un idioma más (que todavía no estoy dispuesto a revelar), y aprendo español, alemán, y el francés
stiff maple
Jajaja
hybrid rampart
O nativo?
hybrid rampart
Aha
stiff maple
El el tercero también xd
hybrid rampart
Y el idioma mas es tambien nativo imagino, y dira tu pais de origen que no quieres que sepamos
Vale vale
Diria ucraniano que es el idioma mas tipico para tener con el Ingles de forma nativa
Tienes 3 idiomas de forma nativa wow
Que suerte
stiff maple
Sip, bueno, es normal en algunos lugares xd
hybrid rampart
Ya
Pero en general no es comun
En Andorra por ejemplo, Catalan, frances y Español
hybrid rampart
4
Pero la gente no aprende el resto de idiomas
Cada canton va a su rollo
Frances, Aleman, Romanche, Rumano
Italiano? Hay?
stiff maple
Italiano creo que hay sí
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland#/media/File%3ASwitzerland_Linguistic_EN.png
hybrid rampart
Lo que no hay Rumano jajaja
gusty ermine
Qué envidia ver a Suiza, el año pasado estuve en Constanza y al final no entré porque tenías que pagar una pasta
old charm
is Felipe VI liked?
hybrid rampart
@old charm Depends on who
I'd say like 40% like him, 40% don't give a shit 10% hate him
hybrid rampart
Nah
old charm
in the sense that they dont really do anything
hybrid rampart
xd
old charm
oof
hybrid rampart
Ah well in that sense it is
It is cheaper than the british one
Like it costs 10% of the what the british costs
old charm
oh nice
gusty ermine
I would say that mostly of the young people in Spain doesn't like Felipe but the old people likes him
old charm
is that because of things he has done
hybrid rampart
He has sold weapons to terrorists and shit
odd hollow
um so this random spanish lady and her bf kept calling me a mari- and I just pretended I didn't know what they were saying.... until the end I was like (in Spanish) "Have a good day! Be sure to check out Nitro!" and they had the oh frick he understood everything I was saying in spanish face before laughing and walking away
gentle heath
@lucid junco @terse cliff
still radish
w h i t e s p a c e
grizzled hedge
It’s true
ashen mist
You can still use ; with python
Very helpful when you need to do stuff like python -c 'import pty; pty.spawn("/bin/bash")'
grizzled hedge
^
thin copper
No
past harbor
Take it out on sb @thin copper
Lo puedes encontrar en el diccionario que me recomendaste?
thin copper
ok
past harbor
Lo intenté y no lo encuentro
thin copper
"take something out on: relieve frustration or anger by attacking or mistreating (a person or thing not responsible for such feelings)."
Otro: take it out on a person relieve one's anger or frustration by attacking or treating a person harshly. Casi lo mismo.
thin copper
Por eso es mejor el de PC jaja. De nada.
stoic lantern
me huele la axila
sacred harbor
grizzled hedge
Te chilla la ardilla
tranquil canopy
Es pilla la rodilla
arctic niche
tranquil canopy
El moño de antonio
arctic niche
tranquil canopy
El carril de Abigaíl
celest bay
abigarril
tranquil canopy
arctic niche
eager wagon
👀
tranquil canopy
x_X
lavish estuary
tranquil canopy
💀
arctic niche
uwu
tranquil canopy
arctic niche
ashen mist
Hola
terse cliff
uwu
torn jewel
omo
grizzled hedge
OWO
gusty ermine
lavish estuary
I can confidently say that I still can't fully understand him lol
grizzled hedge
Classic laugh
outer patrol
ЩфЩ
shrewd fjord
zhfzh
outer patrol
🙃
crystal kraken
Nunca me encontrarán aki
ashen mist
te encontré
lucid junco
tencon tré
royal saddle
@grim lava se hablan dos amigos
- mi suegra es un ángel
- pues estás muy bien, la mía aún está viva
cuál es la diferencia entre el gobierno y belén?
- en el gobierno hay burros, pero ningunas vírgenes o niños
record these ones kek
ashen mist
Lol
copper fox
q cojones
lucid junco
Updates
OMG
@ashen mist
IT IS DONE
:d
:d
MY PROGRAM NOW DETECTS ALL CIRCLES IN AN IMAGE
brave mango
How about this one?
brave mango
Aww
lucid junco
I'm taking a very primitive approach
brave mango
I see
lucid junco
But it's rather smart given what tools I have been allowed to use
Which is
The standard library for C#
lol
stiff maple
Can't you make it make them black
torn jewel
alright now make a bunch of randomly colored dots in random positions, watch what happens
torn jewel
get a better assignment
torn jewel
hehe :3
torn jewel
oh that's all I was going to demonstrate, random colored circles in random positions makes noise. It should have been obvious to me, but it dind't click in my head until I did that and produced static
and then I realized the static in our tvs is because whatever is being read by the tv, and being mapped onto color as a tv does, is not coming form any coherant source, its just random entropy, chaos, being mapped onto an image
lucid junco
Yeah there's noise in that rimage
Which is why I didn't use the radius of the circles to colour them red
I used a more creative approach
ashen mist
@lucid junco es una tarea?
brave mango
Dew's program can see all black circles in any given image, but can it see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
lucid junco
It can see why people love you 😉
@brave mango
Black black
But I could modify a line of code to make it work with circles of any colour
Based on the background (which should be strictly 1 (one) colour)
Which could make it process Rat’s image
lavish estuary
To see every comment you ever made on YT
Damn, I wrote some cringy stuff in my younger days 
glass dragon
@median trail BBC Mundo - El misterioso número 6174 que ha intrigado a matemáticos durante 70 años
https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-49426284
gusty ermine
BBC and El País are good sources of news.
arctic niche
I love BBC Mundo
I watch their youtube too
I posted some links before and no one cared :p
arctic niche
median trail
@glass dragon profe me puede ayudar con algo?
glass dragon
Sí
median trail
tengo estos dos polinomios, y el de abajo tiene dos roots que no son reales, si intento dividir P(x)/Q(x) no será una división exacta porque Q(x) no tiene roots reales?
porque el factor theorem dice que P(a) = 0 si Q(x) es un factor de P(x)
pero las raices de Q(x) no son reales
glass dragon
Pero si P tiene los mismos roots sería una división exacta
O sea, sabes que los roots de P todos son reales?
median trail
pues el ejercicio dice que Q(x) es un divisor de P(x) entonces eso quiere decir que P(x) no tendría roots reales, no?
glass dragon
Tendrá al menos un root real porque es del grado 5
Pero puede ser que los otros 4 son no reales
median trail
ah cierto
glass dragon
Cuál es la pregunta? Solo tienes que dividirlos o que?
median trail
la pregunta es encontrar k
pero si los divido
y hago: reminder = 0, me queda una ecuacion complicada
glass dragon
Oh ok
median trail
me queda que k = 7x - 11/ x - 1
glass dragon
Puedes substituir Q para cada X en P y resuelva para 0
median trail
o sea hacer esto?
median trail
ok
glass dragon
lo hiciste?
ashen mist
Hola
glass dragon
Ok
Lo haré también
Wait, maybe I overthought it
Can't you just plug one of the roots of q into p and solve for 0?
glass dragon
There should be no remainder. I'll divide it when I get home from my birthday dinner
median trail
ooooooo
it's your birthdayyyy?
sjudjfisidifislff
feliz cumpleeeeee
no nos dijo nada 
glass dragon
Yeah
Hmmm I'm getting weird things too
Wanna see how Americans do polynomial long division?
glass dragon
median trail
what
wow that seems quite complicated
hahah
we just divide it as if it is a division
i mean it is
but you get me
real imp
isn't that sarrus' method
gusty ermine
When I thought my math exercises were difficult, then I see this and I forget
ashen mist
i forgot all this crap
celest bay
@glass dragon I missed this american class what
glass dragon
Haha well you probably just learned long division like edsel
But "the reverse tabular method" as it's called is really popular now
celest bay
I think? For regular numbers or algebraic things ?
Reading it again, it looks familiar, maybe I just slept thru that unit
glass dragon
@median trail well I feel like you had to have copied it wrong because we both got the same answer when dividing with a remainder
Or something
Or maybe the answer is "no solution"
arctic niche
I give up on Memrise
it is just so slow and a bunch of words I already know
I will just continue adding words to anki 🙃
torn jewel
no if I'm looking at this right, there's an answer, still two roots (although they're not integers)
oh wait
that's a k
torn jewel
I didn't see how this problem started but given that equation there should be 12 pairs of numbers that fit
let me make sure I'm looking at tihs right
I'm only looking at the last picture
junior thicket
the Red Dots
real imp
we're gonna start getting taught python in two weeks
until we get to arrays, for which we'll have to switch back to pascal
crystal kraken
Awww man
foggy coral
<@&583624863546081290> Anyone from Santiago here? Need a room in a shared flat or an apartment ASAP. DM me! Gracias.
gusty ermine
👀
copper fox
Camino de Santiago 
copper fox
@royal saddle
gusty ermine
@foggy coral there's an app called Couchsurfing. It may be useful, check it out
ocean otter
ashen mist
El camino
royal saddle
@copper fox qué pasa
marsh linden
se emplea como nombre colectivo no contable y significa ‘personas’: «La gente acudía a su bar». Admite un plural expresivo, usado casi exclusivamente en la lengua literaria: «Fue ella quien me introdujo en las cosas, en las comidas, en las gentes de aquí».
@royal saddle
unreal pagoda
@marsh linden i'm from US, but I understand words are used differently in different areas
It was never my intention to make anyone feel like I'm calling them wrong
ashen mist
Shouldn't it be "I'm from the US" >.>
marsh linden
You just have a slightly strange way of typing
unreal pagoda
And if someone is feeling that way I would hope someone could let me know instead of offending anyone further
I mean I wouldn't call it strange x-x just different.
Is my different way of typing/writing wrong, though?
ashen mist
Depends
marsh linden
If you're in a channel for beginners and you make mistakes then it's wrong
ashen mist
There's a difference between word choice and bad grammar
junior thicket
Also slang. That's a no-no
ashen mist
Only in the beginner channels
unreal pagoda
Slang can be a big part of language. But I understand not using it in beginner channels.
Provide an example using my words, please? So I can understand where I have gone wrong
celest bay
ur mom, whatchu, wai, wym, anything you wouldn't write in a school paper
unreal pagoda
Definitely didn't use any of those x-x
celest bay
there's a pinned message in #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner explaining
if you're still confused ask in #⚓・contact-staff
unreal pagoda
I'm still not sure where I have been offensive
celest bay
ask the mods then
unreal pagoda
I honestly don't know
unreal pagoda
@ @celest bay @ashen mist @marsh linden would have better input?
junior thicket
Did anyone complain? I don't get what happened
unreal pagoda
Me neither
marsh linden
Nothing happened, just a few of your comments were slightly strangely-worded
unreal pagoda
@marsh linden @ashen mist could you explain what you mean by telling me "If you're in a channel for beginners and you make mistakes then it's wrong" and There's a difference between word choice and bad grammar
Im getting the feeling I've offended someone but I don't know why and I don't know who
marsh linden
No one's been offended
unreal pagoda
Ok I see, I appreciate you showing me specifics
celest bay
which is probably why you got 
s
unreal pagoda
@celest bay that's quite an exaggeration
unreal pagoda
3/200 maybe, but I wasn't aware I was being offensive
celest bay
it's not offensive
unreal pagoda
Then it was not obvious that I was joking around?
No need to call someone's writing strange or bad grammar over a joke.
lavish estuary
The channel is for beginners.
unreal pagoda
I see, and I understand getting a warning or something but a whole discussion in "color/colour" fashion was unexpected and confusing in a round-about way
ashen mist
I never insisted that someone had bad grammar
unreal pagoda
Seriously, it was not in spite. I was only being silly
ashen mist
You asked if different ways to typing/talking could be incorrect. And I said it depends. Because word choice and bad grammar are 2 different things
unreal pagoda
I want to understand why im being told that, but still, I see my emoji game needs to be stepped up and to ease up on the jokes, maybe?
Im trying to enjoy the chat just like anyone else in the channel. My intentions are not to offend or tell someone their wording is strange or wrong because of where they learned it.
junior thicket
I assure you no one is offended. Use of emojis and the like is totally fine, since they're understood regardless of language
unreal pagoda
@junior thicket idk, I think my emojis were not enough (see above picture).
So..... Am I banned or is the jury is still in deliberation 😅
celest bay
you'd know if you were banned
unreal pagoda
Fair enough
I'm cool to go back to beginner English, then? Any advice/suggestions to me before I go? I'd like to avoid this in the future
So we can have fun when we learn
😊
Just "@" me so I can see it :)
ashen mist
Just put in your best effort because other people look up to English natives as role models when learning @unreal pagoda
lavish estuary
@celest bay 
celest bay
oh my god lmao
I just got to || tyrion finding out about tysha from jaime || in the books again
stiff maple
You're reading the books after you watched the series?
celest bay
I started the books when season 5 started airing
and I've just started again from the beginning since then (about 2014)
so I've probably heard the audiobooks about 6 times now
gusty ermine
Speaking of Asoiaf, I like Andals' history and culture. It's sad that more details about them in Essos aren't available.
lavish estuary
@celest bay
gusty ermine
I guess GRRM won't elaborate on them.
copper fox
@royal saddle estaba hablando ppr vc hoy pero te lo perdiste
celest bay
Except for || Oberon ||
lavish estuary
celest bay
Just got to that last night ;_;
bronze burrow
Interesante
ashen mist
@median trail te interesa Bash?
median trail
si
ashen mist
Cómo te van tus aventuras de Linux
Oh
Me olvidé
Mi libro de criptografía
No sé dónde está :(
No está en el estante
Debe de estar en la casa de mis padres
celest bay
It’s Harvard’s move in day and we’re driving in the area by chance
It’s anarchy
Plus if you run anyone over they’ll sue you so hard you’ll blip out of existence
celest bay
It’s Harvard Ryan
grizzled hedge
Hm I see 🤔 so the campus is pretty nice then?
celest bay
t!wiki Harvard university
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celest bay
You’re scaring me ryan
grizzled hedge
Seems kinda expensive though
celest bay
Ryan pls
gentle heath
whats a harverd?
arctic niche
Lil pump went there
grizzled hedge
I wonder if they have a good linguistics programs
gentle heath
I dunno bro seems pretty small
grizzled hedge
Yeaah don’t really know much about it tbh - but it seems nice 👍
tranquil canopy
isn't haarvard some sort of animal
tranquil canopy
they misspelled it smh
tranquil canopy
I just wanted to add more to the confusion
grizzled hedge
Haha nah I think they were just talking about some uni...
This little church looks kinda pretty!
Pretty nice for a little uni
tranquil canopy
oh so herdbar is a city hall
grizzled hedge
Hm idk it’s either an animal, a university, or a city hall
It does look pretty city-hallish
@celest bay but is the campus actually nice though?
I’ve actually never seen pics
Like honestly
celest bay
It’s fucking gorgeous
celest bay
No but I grew up and live nearby
And family friends went there
Honestly Harvard’s campus is basically just Cambridge as a whole
grizzled hedge
Yeah it’s pretty gorgeous looking
I’d just walk around there and pretend to be a student
celest bay
You don’t have to pretend, you can walk around outside and in a lot of the buildings
Even take classes, though you don’t get credit
grizzled hedge
Really wow
lucid junco
Obabo
grizzled hedge
Leave
@celest bay you’d still have to pay like tuition right?
Probably slightly cheaper but still
grizzled hedge
Okay
Because I’d attend like a half a class and then I’d be able to say “I studied at Harvard”
Work on some cc homework while at the campus on some park bench - technically studying at Harvard
junior thicket
Ryan, in his curriculum: took one (1) class at harvard
grizzled hedge
Hahah
ashen mist
I got waitlisted at Harvard does that count
terse cliff
you attended Harvard's waitlist
ashen mist
"you can't attend but we don't wanna be rude so here's a fake 'maybe' "
grizzled hedge
Lol I kinda wanna just apply just for the funsies
ashen mist
It's probably because I fell asleep during their orientations
grizzled hedge
Mmm
Rain smells so good
It’s rainin omggg
This is crazy
Wait oh my gosh
It’s hailing!
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celest bay
okay back
so there's this
so those cost money but you get credit
had a cousin do one of those courses, he wasn't a harvard student but he was starting work in a public service job so he took a class about that
and then there's the public lectures (events) https://www.harvard.edu/events
been to one of those, it was super fun
and finally you can audit a class (attend a class for no credit) although you probably have to email the professor and ask permission first
@grizzled hedge information dump
grizzled hedge
Oh wow that’s really cool 😯
celest bay
I want to say a lot of the ivy league colleges have things like this, but I only know about harvard and mit's stuff
also you can legit wander into parts of harvard and it's okay (there's a poetry room anyone can go read in as long as they sign in)
been meaning to go for about a year now tbh but keep forgetting
sacred harbor
celest bay
from the two people I know (my parents age) who went
you'd have the single worst filing system known to mankind
they file EVERYTHING in massive stacks on the floor and desk
also both are software engineers
junior thicket
hey
celest bay
there's a running joke in our house "the harvard filing system" because of that
also more mugs than any one human being needs
junior thicket
idk I think going to Harvard would be pretty stressful. Not that any college isn't, but it's everybody else's expectations about it
ashen mist
"software engineer" "filing by hand"
Something doesn't sound right
Idk I ended going to an awesome school so it's more of a hypothetical what-if than regret
celest bay
I mean their physical paperwork lol
I was surprised at how chill oxford was honestly, even though it was a summer exchange and not a proper full time student thing
totally expected to be dying of stress all the time but it was super chill
but that might be a UK thing not an ivy league thing
ashen mist
I have issues with our educational system here
celest bay
anything specific?
ashen mist
Sorry I went to bed
For one thing, the focus on standardized tests, or even tests in general sometimes
Kids just cram for exams and then forget 90% of what they studied shortly afterwards, so clearly tests aren't helping them actually learn material in a useful manner. And memorizing facts isn't learning to me. Search engines and resources exist, and I think there should be more emphasis on learning how to learn and how to fill in the gaps of what you don't know, and how to prepare for the real world
More involved projects to actually solidify material that students learn in class, for instance
I imagine some of these can't easily be "quantified" through a test
I don't care if someone can pass an exam or not. What I care is if that person can use their knowledge and apply it to an actual real world scenario
stiff maple
I think so too, I think education should actually be more tied in with the real world
It makes no sense for people to go through the whole school system and come out and have to start from 0 because the real world is nothing like school
ashen mist
There are a lot of real world topics that schools rarely touch on. And if they do, it's optional
Financial literacy, learning how to get into and function in a professional environment
stiff maple
Exactly
ashen mist
How to research stuff you don't know and distinguish between the relevant results and the irrelevant or even misleading results
stiff maple
Even interpersonal relationships and psychology
ashen mist
I.e. how to not fall prey to random Facebook memes
Yeah. Interpersonal relationships is one too
stiff maple
School is not adapting at nearly the same speed as the world is
median trail
oh this topic is interesting because my college tries so hard to teach us real stuff, yesterday in my engineering introductory class the teacher brought an expert in data science to tell us what he does and what the requirements are in order to get a job in that field
they even invite students to researching groups
because it's important for them to teach us how to develop an idea and how to search info both on the internet and books
two days ago i was invited to join to a researching group that wants to implement blockchain to the transactions of some kind of special coffee that is grown here in medellin
median trail
sistemas
ashen mist
See that's cool because you're actually trying real world applications
real imp
meanwhile in my university nobody knows what the hell do systems engineers do
i guess we just do everything
ashen mist
I could have gotten my entire computer science degree from reading books and Google, based on my university's curriculum
ashen mist
Not really
real imp
sure you'd need to get corpses to practice in medicine
ashen mist
For bio stuff I can't afford my own lab
real imp
but the first years are pure theory
yeah but you don't pay college for labs
you pay for tuition
ashen mist
Ppl do labs in college
real imp
people who help you learn
it's not the same to learn on your own
than to be taught
and at 18, or whenever you started college
nobody really knows how to study
at least I don't
ashen mist
Yeah some classes were just useless. I would read slides and not go to some classes
Why waste my time walking there and sitting in a room
cursive wave
Yea but you can still learn 90% of bio from books
real imp
ye
cursive wave
The other 10% can easily be learned on the job
ashen mist
Ok I gotta bike to work brb
stiff maple
I was talking even high school and middle school
Not just university
Would benefit from this kind of teaching
Drive safe
ashen mist
Ty ty
Anyway I'm not saying most degrees can't be studied/completed at home. The idea I'm trying to convey is - how can university classes change so that they offer something different? So there's a bigger meaning behind the piece of paper that folks pay a fortune for
royal saddle
@feral goblet well it means that i speak 2,7 languages 
barren cedar
oof
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barren cedar
what it do babyy
so, do yall speak in the languages or is it just writing tips and stuff?
stiff maple
You speak
barren cedar
yeah
barren cedar
nice
severe vortex
@ashen mist inverted classroom
ashen mist
Hmm?
severe vortex
So instead of the insanely dumb system where a dude gets paid to read you the textbook and then you go home and do homework
And have to either email the professor or go to office hours to ask questions
With an inverted classroom you do the reading at home and do structured exercises in class
So you have access to the professor while you're working and you don't run the risk of zoning out for an entire lecture
ashen mist
Sounds more fulfilling
ashen mist
Yay!!
real imp
out of 500
ashen mist
Lol
gusty ermine
golden zephyr
gusty ermine
you are so cool!
golden zephyr
celest bay
@lavish estuary were you interested in german at one point? I've just remembered this amazing video
from reddit
Transcript:
Camera guy: 'I can play Candy Shop'
-Video of kid playing candy shop on flute-
Camera guy: 'What?!'
Flute guy: 'Play Candy Shop! (hands flute)'
Camera guy: 'I can't anymore, that was a long time ago'
Flute guy: 'I'm not kidding now, look at this, how do I read these notes?!'
Desk guy: 'Imagine...' -laughs some more-
Flute guy: 'The boy from that video ? Who plays Candy Shop?'
Desk guy: 'Yes! With shoe cream on his face' -lays head on desk, laughing- 'In the video the melody starts, the door opens, and then there's Jonas (cam guy) sitting on his sofa with his flute [ and black shoecream on his face].'
Flute guy: -Looks around the corner-
Desk guy: 'You have to be careful, there might be a swarm of geese coming now.'
Flute guy: 'The thing is, there is a customer outside the room who just ordered a new suspension for his Porsche, he just peeked into the office and saw the boss with a pink flute in his hand.'
-plays flute, leaves through door-
ashen mist
Ah, no puedes leerlo?
ashen mist
It’s no secret that many Americans are lousy writers. Just ask any college professor or employer, including those at prestigious institutions. With the advent of e-mail, writing ability has become more important than ever, and writing deficiencies have become increasingly apparent.
Surely one reason so many Americans lack writing skills is that, for decades, most U.S. schools haven’t taught them. In 2011, a nationwide test found that only 24 percent of students in eighth and 12th grades were proficient in writing, and just 3 percent were advanced.
If students get writing assignments at all, they’re usually of the “write about how you feel” variety. There’s value to that kind of exercise, but it doesn’t provide kids with the tools they need to write analytically.
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September 24, 2015
Natalie Wexler chairs the board of trustees for the Writing Revolution.
It’s no secret that many Americans are lousy writers. Just ask any college professor or employer, including those at prestigious institutions. With the advent of e-mail, writing ability has become more important than ever, and writing deficiencies have become increasingly apparent.
Surely one reason so many Americans lack writing skills is that, for decades, most U.S. schools haven’t taught them. In 2011, a nationwide test found that only 24 percent of students in eighth and 12th grades were proficient in writing, and just 3 percent were advanced.
If students get writing assignments at all, they’re usually of the “write about how you feel” variety. There’s value to that kind of exercise, but it doesn’t provide kids with the tools they need to write analytically.
The Common Core education standards, adopted by more than 40 states and the District, attempt to address this deficit. They require that students learn to write fluently about the meaning of what they’re learning — not just in English class, but also in history, science and maybe even math class.
That makes sense: When students put what they’ve read into their own words, they’re more likely to absorb and retain it. And learning to write clearly requires learning to think clearly.
But the authors of the Common Core focusedjust on the skills that students should have at each grade level, not on how to impart them. And few teachers have been trained to teach these writing skills, apparently because educators believe that students will just pick them up through reading. Obviously, most don’t.
The standards also assume students in middle and high school already know the rules of capitalization, punctuation and sentence construction. But that’s often not the case, especially in high-poverty environments.
Faced with high school seniors who can’t compose a simple sentence, teachers may throw up their hands when confronted with an English language arts standard sayingtheir students should “use appropriate and varied transitions and syntax to link the major sections of the text, create cohesion, and clarify the relationships among complex ideas and concepts.”
You have to learn to add before you can do calculus. Similarly, before students can write a coherent five-paragraph essay, they need to learn to write a decent sentence — no matter what grade they’re in.
Hay más, pero lo dejo así jaja
Buscaré otro artículo que puedas leer
ashen mist
De nada
El párrafo que encontró eco en mí es
Sure, you can assign writing, even a lot of it, but time constraints mean the editing and feedback that fuels good writing are often out of the question. I teach at the college level now, and teaching assistants are the only way to assign meaningful amounts of writing to large groups of students and give them any sort of quality experience.
Mi pregunta es
por qué se enfocan en hacer tantos ensayos, ya que después de tantos años hay gente que ni siquiera sabe explicarse con propiedad
ashen mist
El sistema de educación es... Interesante acá
exotic kiteBOT
🆙 | Veraniego leveled up!
past harbor
¿De qué sirve que se enfoquen en que sepan estructurar sus ideas cuando ni siquiera saben de gramática?
ashen mist
Se necesita aprender la gramática básica, claro
Antes de empezar a escribir cosas más complejas
Es como aprender a sumar antes de aprender el cálculo
past harbor
Sí, pero es que hay gente que ni siquiera eso
supongo que la mayoría de ellos están acostumbrados al inglés del internet
ashen mist
Y muchas personas no reciben una buena educación
Especialmente en zonas de pobreza
Qué se puede hacer si a la mayoría de los estudiantes le pasan mal la gramática y la escritura? Es casi imposible ayudar a todos con un par de profesores
past harbor
¿Qué hay de la gente que no sabe inglés y viene a ese país a estudiar?
¿Tiene que aprender gramática y a escribir en su casa porque en el colegio todos son ensayos?
ashen mist
Hay programas acá para ayudar a los nonnativos a aprender inglés básico
Pero no sé a qué año se paran
past harbor
Tengo entendido que si vas a un colegio privado, hay horas extras por la tarde si tienes problemas con el idioma
pero no sé si en los públicos también pasa
past harbor
¿Y dónde o cuándo se supone que la gente aprende gramática en inglés?
ashen mist
Son más para los niños
past harbor
¿Se da por hecho que se sabe porque son niños y saben inglés por sus padres?
ashen mist
Mmm no sé
past harbor
No es lo mismo escuchar "apple" y pronunciarlo que después "escribirlo"
¿No hay gente que escribe "apol" en un papel?
¿o its en vez de it's por ese tipo de cosas en un ensayo?
ashen mist
Diría que sí
past harbor
Pero cómo puede ser posible
ashen mist
Pero lo de "apol"... Ni idea
past harbor
¿la gente no sabe la diferencia?
ashen mist
Es posible
Algunas personas no prestan atención en las clases básicas. O no reciben tales clases
past harbor
¿te sirvieron de algo todos los ensayos que has hecho a lo largo de tu vida?
ashen mist
Mmmm creo que sí. Fueron una buena práctica, por lo menos
past harbor
Me sorprende bastante. Aquí en las clases de inglés también se enfocan en los ensayos y esas cosas, pero muchísimo en saber escribir adecuadamente
ashen mist
Puede ser que el sistema de educación allí sea más avanzado que el de acá
ashen mist
Jajaja
past harbor
Salimos del colegio con un máster en gramática pero cuando tenemos que hablar
no sabemos pronunciar nada
Pocos profesores saben cómo ayudar a los españoles con su inglés hablado
la mayoría de las clases es completar ejercicios de gramática
cuando se trata de hablar, nadie sabe a no ser que hayas ido a una escuela privada o a alguna academia
ashen mist
Ah
But far too many of our students receive little instruction or practice in composition. Here I place the blame squarely on our educational system. In many schools, grammar is neglected after fifth or sixth grade. Unlike math, which follows a natural progression, writing is all too often taught piecemeal or not at all, with little coordination of purpose or sense of advancement from grade to grade. Moreover, I suspect many teachers are averse to the work required to develop competent writers. When I was teaching, I graded an average of 60 essays or journals every week. The work was grueling, the writing rarely inspired, yet that is how writers are made.
Fifth grade es como.. cuando tenemos 10 u 11 años
ashen mist
Jaja
past harbor
los ejercicios
que hacíamos todos los días eran tipo :
todos los 365 días del año
past harbor
severe vortex
Grrr
ashen mist
Story time
lavish estuary
strapped in
celest bay
Belted in?
ashen mist
@past harbor en mi clase de inglés en mi último año de la secundaria, tuvimos que escribir en un cuaderno una reacción y análisis de nuestras tareas de lectura. Ya que es difícil para mí escribir mucho por la mano, le pedí a mi profesora que ella me dejara escribir las entradas por la computadora. Y de esa manera, podía escribir más cosas y más legible. Elle me dijo que sí, pero usualmente dudaba en aprobar tales pedidos porque muchas personas tratan de copiar cosas del internet, etc
Le dije que mis intenciones no eran así. Así que empecé a escribir mis entradas en mi computadora. Unas semanas después, ella se acercó a mí durante una clase y me dijo que mis entradas eran buenas, y me preguntó de dónde saqué las ideas. Le dije ".... De mi cabeza..." Y ella respondió "oh ok. Solo quería asegurarme de eso"
Y mi cara de wtf jajaja
lavish estuary
@celest bay Is that a correction?
celest bay
Nope I thought we were talking about alternatives
lavish estuary
Oh xD
ashen mist
Eso es todo
celest bay
someone recommended this channel last night
my brain hurts
oh god he's spanish as well OW
lavish estuary
Quality channel
celest bay
I love her accent
lavish estuary
Es tan mona 😁
celest bay
takisss
past harbor
@ashen mist Me parece súper estúpido por su parte
preguntar tal cosa
O sea, alguien te va a responder con sinceridad si estás haciendo trampa
No sé qué pretendía pero la gente así me parece un poco...
no sé
ashen mist
Jajajja
lavish estuary
sacred harbor
de ese canal creo que he visto algún que otro video, pero no lo sigo, Abi
pero sí sigo otros relacionados con Japón 
copper fox
ashen mist
@median trail ya es hora de hackear
celest bay
I did some research when I got home. Running barefoot affects your gait and causes your feet to land differently. Mechanically speaking, your feet absorb the impact better striking with your forefoot than they do than your heel, which is how people tend to run in modern running shoes. Barefoot running changes it to forefoot strikes. This is probably what most people think of when they hear the "barefoot is good for your feet."
However, the same isn't said for just walking around. You're supposed to have some kind of arch support in any shoe you wear. This lines up with what i've been told at the doctor's office. To paraphrase, arch support good, ankle support even better. Many shoes have barely any at all. My doc practically hissed when I came in wearing converse one visit. Said he'd burn the lot of them if he could and put everyone in new balance.
sources are Harvard Medical School and my own experience talking to a podiatrist.
ashen mist
I just roll around
celest bay
swag
eager wagon
👀
lucid junco
Lmao imagine having feet
eager wagon
I can't imagine, only got eyes
lucid junco
Nice
arctic niche
Imagine not being a bird
arctic niche
:c
glass dragon
@lavish estuary do you have a beginner Spanish podcast I can recommend my coworker?
celest bay
Non bird club
foggy coral
still searching for a room or an apartment 😦 in santiago de compostela
if anyone knows anything plz contact me :(((
lavish estuary
@glass dragon
Probably ''Español con Juan''
lavish estuary
😉
gusty ermine
"Decimos que alguien es un pringado cuando se deja engañar fácilmente, comete acciones de extrema torpeza o se implica, voluntariamente o no, en acciones cuyas expectativas no son muy favorables."
@marsh linden
marsh linden
diríamos gullible entonces
gullible es crédulo según wordreference
no sé si eso es lo mismo
marsh linden
Loser es más como alguien con mala suerte, alguien patético
marsh linden
gusty ermine
lavish estuary
royal saddle
lavish estuary
gusty ermine
glass dragon
Thanks @lavish estuary
royal saddle
también
aquí
sa ducho
sa duchas
sa ducha
pero
si compro
si compras
si compra 
dos reflexivos
copper fox
De qué depende?
ashen mist
Hablan de los verbos reflexivos?
copper fox
De nuestros idiomas, sí
ashen mist
Uhhh ok
lavish estuary
''tanto cuesta hablar bien''
Se pasó de lanza xDD
keen sundial
Was that movie good Venom?
terse cliff
emoji review
these are the only good emojis that have been added
all the other emojis can go home
to emojiland
terse cliff
nice, thank you abi
gleaming shore
abi?
terse cliff
celest bay
Hi yes I am abi
brave mango
Kermit is the funniest thing ever to me, I don't know why
celest bay
I wanted to get evil Kermit too but I was in a hurry
terse cliff
kermit is like the dew of olden times
remember when something would happen and kermit would rumple up his face
if the face made a sound it'd be like grrrlglglllrlgllrl
like this but more down
celest bay
Wait did they no
terse cliff
celest bay
I swear I suggested that one
lavish estuary
copper fox
brave mango
There's fuss?
celest bay
copper fox
everyone's talking about it
brave mango
It's pretty good
brave mango
What comes to mind is a bilingual pun, "U wot "
I think it's pretty funny
Dumb funny
But funny
copper fox
brave mango
Also mentioning anything Argentinian/Uruguayan
Just throw a in there and it probably makes sense
gentle heath
they have appropriated my culture
celest bay
Maybe you appropriated mate from them mate
terse cliff
grizzled hedge
sacred harbor
Y no agregaron el mío que les dije desde hace tiempo
copper fox
@past harbor This one's empty now
past harbor
Sí, gracias
ashen mist
Espero que te sientas mejor
arctic niche
Que te mejores lobo 
copper fox
solo tengo una pregunta, si no te molesta
past harbor
Claro
copper fox
cuándo planeas salir? o sea, disminuir el tiempo en el que estás en el servidor?
copper fox
para nada o mucho menos que lo usual?
past harbor
Poco
arctic niche
yo también lobo, voy a entrar en la escuela en alrededor de dos semanas
old charm
past harbor
Pienso que me siento mal
Porque llevo dos dias sin dormir ni siquiera 2 horas
Y ahora tengo ganas de vomitar y mareos
ashen mist
Dos... días.. sin dormir
ashen mist
El daño ha aumentado suficiente
copper fox
Y los dolores de cabeza no ayudan
copper fox
suelta el movil y acuestate
past harbor
Ya
ashen mist
Y toma agua
glass dragon
I'm really interested in how a taco isn't a burrito
cursive wave
sandwhich = food between to separate "planes" of similar food
taco = food held within a single "plane"
burrito = food encapsulated withing a single continuous object where you cannot reach the other surface
idk how to explain the burrito one as i forgot the term
sacred harbor
celest bay
Wtf
cursive wave
but as soon as you bite into the burrito you are now able to get to the other side making it a taco...
sacred harbor
burrito es un taco enrollado
cursive wave
idk the 4 type model is disputable but there are for sure 3 types: sandwhich, taco and salad
tranquil canopy
laurens where does pizza fit in your food theorem
think of what you're going to say next 
glass dragon
Hmmm I don't understand how biting it makes it a taco
How isn't it just a shorter burrito?
cursive wave
hmm are we talking about the same thing lol
glass dragon
So then is an open faced sandwich a taco?
glass dragon
Oh, maybe not haha. What do you imagine with a burrito?
arctic niche
I am pretty sure the burrito came after the taco
junior thicket
Idk how it's hard. A burrito is a closed taco basically
arctic niche
and more people in Mexico like tacos sooo
I am approaching it with a historical perspective
glass dragon
But Laurens is saying a burrito is fundamentally different from a taco in a graph theory way
cursive wave
this is what i imagine with a burrito
arctic niche
graph theory
junior thicket
"graph" theory?
glass dragon
So when you bite it, it opens the end up
cursive wave
yess and then its a taco
arctic niche
remember a coffee cup and a donut are the same
cursive wave
yesss
cursive wave
they are lol
junior thicket
Ugh y'all talking about Math???
torn jewel
damn am I missing the graph theory talk
cursive wave
hahaha no wer are talking about food
glass dragon
Ok, so explain in different words why the burrito is still different? Can't you just deform a taco to become a tortilla?
torn jewel
I devoted a few days to 'might as well, what the hell' building intuition on all the classic graph theory problem solving
glass dragon
I really want to take a graph theory class
cursive wave
hmm pretty much the argument as i remember is that a burrito is an enclosed taco which somehow made it different
yea im taking graph theory in the spring, amaroq. im pretty excited for it
glass dragon
I guess they're taking the tortilla as not a tortilla, but rather a continuous enclosed slice of bread
cursive wave
its one of the areas of math that seems the most interesting
yea something like that
glass dragon
I see
cursive wave
so a lumpia = a tortilla
cursive wave
hahaha
glass dragon
Lol
cursive wave
thats typology tho its not the same as graph theory
junior thicket
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tranquil canopy
topology?
torn jewel
the ironic thing is many talk about how complex math is, where technically often we are actually doing is simplifying, like really simplifying, as in taking a very very very small, specific idea of structure and isolating it and studying just that and really clarifying it. Often the hard part is looking at something very simple and studying it to death
junior thicket
I need a vsauce video on this
torn jewel
and in the case of graphs
we are talking about the extremely simplified, abstract concept of connections, and things that are connected
torn jewel
nein
arctic niche
wait
cursive wave
oh boiiiiii
arctic niche
thsi is all my fault