or try that
#⚓・contact-staff
crimson owl
blissful prairie
Gracias Alex
low vortex
@polar yew is your friend in too many servers?
polar yew
no
polar yew
they're in 5
dreamy folio
Then it means it’s someone that we banned before
And they’re trying to join with a new account
Discord has various ways to stop people from just making new accounts
Either they’re trying to make a new account when they were banned before, or they have a discord bug and they should contact discord support
young scarab
Los bans siempre fueron de IP
low vortex
^^ yep is you Google it you can find discord staff just months after release confirming that bans are by IP, so I think it's safe to say they've always been IP bans
unborn nova
wait I have a question, if you ban someone on their IP does that mean people using the IP won't be able to join like say one user was IP banned would another user, who wasn't banned, in the same household using the same internet be banned too?
fiery dagger
I think IP is based on device
unborn nova
Oh I thought MAC address was device and IP was internet?
low vortex
yes allft
other people on your network won't be able to use the discord server you got banned from
unborn nova
Oh right, thanks!!
fiery dagger
reef sparrow
but with device theyre referring to a router (?)
fiery dagger
Pretty sure any device that connects to the internet. The internet needs the IP address to know where to send information.
blissful prairie
Imagine someone else in your dorm gets banned. Oof.
low vortex
the thing is that most devices aren't connected to the internet. Most devices are connected to a router. The router is the thing connected to the internet, and the thing with the IP address
then the router self-assigns internal address to all the devices connected to the router and handles sending information where it needs to go
crimson owl
^this
fiery dagger
Ah that makes sense. I was thinking of only ethernet connections
low vortex
usually it does this by simply knowing that responding packets go to the address that requested them, but sometimes, if there is no request (for example, if you set up a home server of some sort) you have to tell your router "Say, if you notice any packets coming to this specific port, I need you send them to this computer and not that one", or else the router won't know what to do with them
crimson owl
Ama knows networking 
low vortex
i've run a few home servers in my lifetime is all
blissful prairie
As a software dev, networking is still a mystery to me.
granite spear
other people on your network won't be able to use the discord server you got banned from
@low vortex I dont think discord does this tbh
low vortex
Well, they say they do
granite spear
Normally ip ban is just from the device you're using
low vortex
There's no way for an external program to ban a device based on the internal IP address
granite spear
So you can easily change your ip address to something else and get another account
low vortex
To discord, there are ten devices in my house that have the same IP, and there is nothing discord can do to differentiate them
granite spear
Thats why it's so easy to keep creating accounts
No for discord there is only one ip adress
Your external
Your actual ip adress
low vortex
Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying
granite spear
Aaah
low vortex
It's not "just from the device" like you said
low vortex
It's based on IP, not on device
polar yew
Considering this is their first discord account, I'll have to hope that discord support knows what they're doing
low vortex
they don't, unfortunately
did you try sending other links like Azada suggested?
he had the same thing happen to him and somebody had to invite him several several times before he finally got an invite that "worked"
did your friend try restarting discord like Alex suggested?
polar yew
yes
fiery dagger
is there a channel I can post links to twitch streamers?
safe nova
someone clean up #🙋・welcome pls x
sand aspen
thanks 
polar yew
Could you clear all bans from their IP address?
Although I don't think that would do anything, it's just their account
crimson owl
I don't think that's anything we can do if they aren't on our ban list to begin with
we're not discord
astral jasper
Maybe make another account
polar yew
What a strange bug
crimson owl
well maybe they can do smth like that, idk
I don't have access to ban records
so someone else will have to confirm or deny that
polar yew
I give up
astral jasper
Amaroq said before that she can't find their ban anywhere
polar yew
crimson owl
well not that
I know he's not banned here, more like I wouldn't be able to do any IP stuff here even if we could, since I don't have that power, but that definitely seems like something only discord could do
astral jasper
I read So cool's message as "clear all bans from their IP adress for this server" since it should be impossible for you to be able to clear bans from other servers
haughty goblet
@polar yew can you give me their id?
as in the 14 digit number associated with their account
low vortex
725172147298893824
hybrid moat
@haughty goblet how can i change my native?
hybrid moat
does it work for both
inner musk
sí
hybrid moat
.iamn english native
vital ruinBOT
hybrid moat
.iam both
sand aspen
;r 404776009767059458 e s
lime falconBOT
I assigned <@&243853718758359040>, <@&243854128424550401> instead of <@&243854128424550401> to hammy.
hybrid moat
thanks
flat chasmBOT
🆙 | hammy leveled up!
haughty goblet
Lol thx guys
graceful silo
pls help got muted for free speech
granite spear
uhm, no
you got muted because you yourself admitted you were purposely not following our rules
low vortex
We don't allow free speech in this server. We expect you to follow the rules
graceful silo
i beg to differ kid
low vortex
Your speech has certain very well delineated limitations. Please read about them in #📜・rules
granite spear
well you may very well beg to differ that doesnt change the fact that we have the right to mute you
low vortex
Don't worry though. I gave you plenty of time to read and understand those rules, and I am 100% confident in your ability to do so. But if you find yourself confused about what a rule means, please ask here before your mute expires, because once it expires we expect to see that full understanding of the limits to your speech in your behavior
graceful silo
ill go over them once ive banged this sly chicago town pizza in they wavey
low vortex
Great!
strong prairie
In which channel should I use bot commands?
low vortex
strong prairie
Wow, I didn't see it the whole time. Thanks though
fiery dagger
This is in the #🎺・aotw-natives . Should it say could have stopped?
asylums that only a miracle can have stopped the medical fraternity
fiery dagger
cuál libro, si sabes?
crimson owl
^
low vortex
i think "can have stopped" is a thing people say
young scarab
fiery dagger
Oh, I know nothing about older English, sorry @young scarab probably should change it back
crimson owl
dang 1920s grammar was whack
crimson owl
I just feel like more people are gonna say something like otter did if you don't change it otherwise lol
crimson owl
I'd say the 2nd
fiery dagger
this restaurant somewhere says lard-waz, maybe ard-waz?
sand aspen
Namibia isn't self-assignable in Nadeko
haughty goblet
OK I'll try and fix it
Weird can you try again @sand aspen
Ahh, nevermind. 14 got it
sand aspen
Gracias 
tawdry zinc
Necesitas un certificado específico para poder asignarlo
sand aspen
desasignar, la verdad
unborn nova
can I use the dictionary bot? And if so where can I use it?
unborn nova
Thank you!!
unborn nova
I will 
Is there a place to chat about revision strategies or can I do it in #🍁・general-2?
sand aspen
Sure
and yeah, I wouldn't mind a channel where we could discuss language learning methods, routines and stuff
unborn nova
thanks!! Sorry to ask so much
sand aspen
It's ok. Drop in whenever you want to clarify something
crimson owl
it's fine to use it in #📗・preguntas-lounge if it pertains to a discussion there
unborn nova
thank you!!
fiery dagger
#📚・learning-resources ? @sand aspen
sand aspen
well, I treat that channel as a place for resources and not discussions
(although asking questions/asking for resources makes sense to me)
haughty goblet
@low locust please don't chat in this channel, this is only for contacting the mods for server related questions and issues
low locust
Oops sorry
haughty goblet
No worries
obtuse dawn
young scarab
Thanks for letting us know, @obtuse dawn
unborn nova
If I have a spanish youtuber ( He has videos about tips for spanish and has skit videos) I like and want to share him with others, am I allowed to? And if so where should I put it?
urban sand
yes, you can put it in #700034866758156319 or #📚・learning-resources depending on what you think fits best
unborn nova
Thank you
latent jasper
holi, miro por el canal de los resources pero a lo mejor busco mal: me pregunto si hay algún diccionario más enfocado que me podrían recomendar para descargar (a lo mejor haya en el server un lugar con diccionarios ordenados? no sé 
)
crimson owl
¿Qué quieres decir con más enfocado? Los principales diccionarios en línea español-inglés que conozco, si es lo que buscas, son SpanishDict y WordReference. También puedes buscar cualquier palabra en español en el sitio de la RAE. Está todo en español, obviamente, pero creo que serías capaz de leerlo bien. https://www.rae.es/ @latent jasper
latent jasper
mmm, sí, uso wordreference y el de la rae, pero son más herramientas que libros... con enfocado quiero decir que tenga listas de palabras en temas, ejemplo: palabras sobre la ciudad, pero no de terminología exactamente... 
crimson owl
Entonces, ¿listas de vocabulario?
haughty goblet
You should probably ask about this in #📚・learning-resources because this isn't really a server related issue for mods..
latent jasper
@haughty goblet pues sí y @crimson owl y pues sí también xd
siempre cuando quiero encontrar una lista busco simplemente "lista de tal vocabulario", pero me preguntaba si hay algún esfuerzo más completo a organizar tal listas.
alex ponlo en resources y tag me si encuentras algo, buscaré también
crimson owl
ok
deft dust
these 2 are the same person
man 4 ever has been banned before and is on a new account sami#0516
also not the first time hes ban evaded
jaunty breach
Wait how do you know that?
deft dust
I was talking to him and I heard his voice
jaunty breach
I see
young scarab
¿Podrías grabar su voz la próxima vez, @deft dust?
exotic marlin
hi mods, are we allowed to use the bot in the lecture session channels to prompt text for us to practise in our own time?
young scarab
Yes, @exotic marlin
exotic marlin
thanks! 🙂
deft dust
Sure
I didn't know if the mods knew his voice or not, so I wasn't sure if it would be necessary but I'll make sure next time
sand aspen
no está añadido :p
jaunty breach
Está*
vestal flame
hola! pregunta! si quisiera encontrar una persona para ensallar mi conversación en Inglés (yo puedo ayudarle con la conversación en español) en qué canal sería el adecuado?
vestal flame
lo que sea, any topic
hollow briar
Hey, idk why i have spanish native role so i guess it could get taken off my roles?
hollow briar
thank you
empty ginkgo
hola, how can i report that someone was not following the rules regarding treating other members in a friendly manner
low vortex
You can DM our DM bot
Or you can type ;report and Rai bot will message you with instructions
If it's in a voice channel, we strongly suggest providing a recording if at all possible, or a list of other people who may have been there at the time
dreamy folio
@kind river messaging this bot is the easiest way, you can just directly send it a message @empty ginkgo
dreamy folio
?
midnight mango
Porque lo dejan si quiera respirar aca y a tincho no
minor condor
Que
midnight mango
es el que se crea 25 cuentas por dia
minor condor
You’re in message a mod bud
quick cove
es man 4 ever
torn tide
Can a mod make an announcement we'll be doing the #📚・lectura-text-1 at 4 PM EST, instead, (1 hour delay) as the bot is down but this will give me time to colect texts. Thanks 🙂
low vortex
Ok
tawdry zinc
@midnight mango @quick cove podéis grabar su voz, por favor?
quick cove
creo que ya lo banearon
dreamy folio
Yeah sorry already banned lol
I heard the voice
It’s like 200% him
He does the exact same things every single time
Then reacts to the ban in the exact same way every time
And then always eventually ending by calling me all kinds of mean names
tawdry zinc
😆
sand aspen
He añadido esas citas
condicionales
gustar
haber/tener
leísmo2
queísmo
subj
tildes-tildes5
y/o
_ _
conditionals
usidioms
... loxiq
vital ruinBOT
#1173968 📣 Las citas de Loxi
The words in brackets are alternative quote names
🇪🇸 Spanish
condicionales
+ Conditional (Si) clauses
gustar
+ The verb gustar
haber/tener [have]
+ The difference between haber and tener
leísmo2
+ A video about leísmo
queísmo
+ A video about queísmio
subj2
+ PDF about the subjunctive
tildes0 / tildes-tildes5
+ List of tildes / tildes
y/o [yo]
+ Y/O conjunction changes
🇬🇧 English
conditionals
+ Las oraciones condicionales (if)
USidioms
+ Un libro con los idiotismos en EE.UU
Con las descripciones para añadir en #596718916256923649
low vortex
Wow gracias
neon falcon
vengo a proponer un emoji
reef sparrow
Vengo a proponer que no se añada
full quartz
el cortarollos
reef sparrow
glossy hatch
Quita el 
y añade eso
reef sparrow
No quiero tener que ver ese coso 
low vortex
It's so good though
minor condor
bien cursed jesus
bleak kettle
wait what
crimson owl
nah
I'm not feelin it
but guess I'm in the minority
I'm glad nexus is the sensible person around here
granite spear
better than the beer emoji 1000 %
granite spear
:worthlotsastars:
sand aspen
Edsel made a mistake yesterday
sand aspen
He won't get away with it
young scarab
Vuestras peticiones son ordenes para mí
crimson owl
siempre que no tengas que reorganizar el orden de nuevo 
sand aspen
neon falcon
gracias
glossy hatch
low vortex
Glorious
fiery dagger
can I get context on when to use " "
low vortex
wow otter
astral jasper
I have seven kids in my basement
glossy hatch
soy el primer niño q secuestró uwu
bleak kettle
quasi oracle
ahora quiten el sapo con puerros
gilded vapor
Hola, una duda ¿cuando alguien sube de nivel aparece la imagen indicando que subió de nivel? Solo pregunto por saber porque últimamente no lo he visto y me quedo la duda
young scarab
t!rank 464199937542979594
flat chasmBOT
📝 | Server rank card for user: Master-Aqua
gilded vapor
Preguntaba en general, ya que aunque trato de ser activa no siempre tengo tiempo para postear por aquí (aunque lo intento)
Listo, ya vi que a otra persona si le sale, de todos modos te agradezco muchísimo tu ayuda y tratare de ser mas activa postear mas
young scarab
No te preocupes, ahora miro qué podría ser
sand aspen
Esos niveles no significan nada (o sea, que no/tienes vida), así que no te preocupes tanto xd
gilded vapor
No, ya se que no, pero como hacia tanto que no los veía la verdad es que me quedo la duda y por eso preferí preguntar y gracias a los 2 por la respuesta
young scarab
Dame unos minutos. Debe de ser alguna opción
gilded vapor
Ok, pero es como te dije recién ya vi que a otra persona si le salió y yo solo necesito ser mas activa para que me salga
young scarab
Intenta hablar más, @gilded vapor
He refrescado para que aparezca el level-up
Intenta llegar hoy al nivel 12
gilded vapor
Si, lo intentare y trato pasa que a veces no tengo tiempo
young scarab
No pasa nada
gilded vapor
De nuevo te agradezco toda la ayuda
sand aspen
el bot añade 10-20xp cada 2 minutos, puedes enviar un mensaje cada 2 minutos si no quieres escribir mucho
crimson owl
Exploiting the system
gilded vapor
@sand aspen Ah eso no lo sabia, gracias por decírmelo, pero también creo también era por la cantidad de texto en el mensaje, es decir que tan largo es el mismo ¿no?
sand aspen
How the XP system works:
XP is gained every time you talk with a 2 minute cooldown.
XP is not determined by the size of the message. You will not get more XP just because the message is bigger.
XP is randomized from 10-20.
There is global and local XP. Local XP, is XP gained on a server and is represented in the user's server score. Global XP is global and cannot be modified using commands.
crimson owl
No creo que la cantidad de los mensajes importe. Ve que has escrito un mensaje y agrega el xp
sand aspen
me parece que no afecta
crimson owl
Yeah
gilded vapor
Ah, tenia entendido que si, gracias a los 2
crimson owl
young scarab
t!rank 464199937542979594
flat chasmBOT
📝 | Server rank card for user: Master-Aqua
sand aspen
restive goblet
No escuchéis al traidoralfo, baumer tiene razón
astral jasper
What happened Dittar? 
zenith jacinth
I rage quit
and I'm back now
but meh
modship is over rated
apparently
mods are asleep
let's post puppy memes
?
astral jasper
I rage quit
What made you?
zenith jacinth
if I told u
i'd have to leave again
lmao
I'm here only to push my youtube channel
would that be spam
?
astral jasper
I think it would be against the rules if you do that without the consent of the moderation team
zenith jacinth
but I was a mod?
astral jasper
I mean, if you were allowed to promote your channel (assuming it's not language-learning related) then everyone else would want to do it too
But I'm just saying, since I don't know your internal regulations about this topic
dreamy folio
Please stop spamming this channel, we’ll talk about this in private
astral jasper
hi mods I think it would be nice if we had two questions channels for both languages
Ask_about_english 1 and Ask_about_english 2
young scarab
¿Por qué?
dreamy folio
I think the current setup is fine
The number of questions is not high enough to warrant two channels
If you're worried about your question not being noticed, use the questions bot
astral jasper
Because when I want to ask questions, I can't ask. The channel is very busy
dreamy folio
It's open right now
dreamy folio
... questions
young scarab
Y así no se pierde
sand aspen
... questionen
vital ruinBOT
#1128152 📣 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/284045742652260352/711985916675227668/unknown.png
sand aspen
can you show me how?
young scarab
Si crees que tu pregunta es urgente, no sé.. y no puedes esperar. ¿Quieres un rol para que te respondan al momento? No sé 😄
sand aspen
we had pregunta abierta(?)
fair burrow
I'm not sure if it would make the roles feel too crowded, but it might be nice to have a role that shows which dialect you know/are fluent in, and which dialect you are trying to learn? Maybe using the flag emojis
Like American vs British english, Spain vs latin america spanish, etc?
It may help when people ask questions to know if they should answer or wait until someone else can answer with the proper dialect
reef sparrow
You've already got country roles tho no?
fair burrow
Theres country roles? 
reef sparrow
Yes xd
sand aspen
Yeah but idk
fair burrow
I might just be dumb LOL
reef sparrow
young scarab
... questionen
vital ruinBOT
#1128152 📣 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/284045742652260352/711985916675227668/unknown.png
young scarab
Abajo, ahí están
reef sparrow
They're optional but yeah, you can have a role indicating what country ur from
sand aspen
I mean, let's assume I put 'Spain' to indicate what dial. I'm learning. It'd mean a completely different thing than Rortan's 'Spain' as he lives there.
sand aspen
or lived
reef sparrow
I mean, let's assume I put 'Spain' to indicate what dial. I'm learning. It'd mean a completely different thing than Rortan's 'Spain' as he lives there.
But if someone asked about the Spanish dialect specifically you probably wouldn't answer anyway
You the general you
fair burrow
Sorry to bother
sand aspen
I can help you with the roles, just ping me in #🤖・general-bot
fair burrow
There is, just not in that post
sand aspen
ya está
reef sparrow
ah xd
fair burrow
I'm just gonna
Crawl away in shame
reef sparrow
sand aspen
yeah, use .lsar in #🤖・general-bot next time to see all the roles
young scarab
Si crees que hace falta hacer un @askCanada
fair burrow
young scarab
Podemos verlo, pero no sé si hay mucha gente canadiense que ayude en los canales
fair burrow
I understand
Canada is sort of a mix of American and British english and they have a little bit of their own slang
Its ok! Like you said I don't know if there are many Canadians in the server xP
Thank you for hearing me out, looks like y'all have everything sorted already
young scarab
@deft dust En nombre del equipo, en cuanto al tema de los pronombres:
We’ve decided to make the roles, but we’ll state now for the entire future that we really can probably make no more than three roles. They’ll be he/him, she/her, and non-binary/other. We realize the third one is not very satisfying of a role, but it’s the only way we could think of wording it and including everyone. The idea of it is “if this person has this role, you should ask them what they wish to be called, and either remember it or make a note on their profile. If you see it in the future you can remember this person wanted to be called something different”. Additionally, by attaching these roles, you should expect people might not notice the role and still use the wrong pronouns. It’s a bad habit of people on the internet to assume most other people are male, but they mean no harm by it.
Los roles son asignables tanto desde Nadeko como desde Rai:
.iam He/Him
.iam She/Her
.iam Nonbinary/Other
zenith jacinth
.iam mod
young scarab
@kindred basin Use #🤖・general-bot next time, please
reef sparrow
young scarab
¿Puedes parar?
young scarab
Sólo te pido que pares, eso es todo
kindred basin
Is "Dict | SpanishDict (>)" bot an officially supported bot or using a web scraper?
low vortex
what do you mean "officially supported"?
zenith jacinth
scraper
kindred basin
Did they develop it or provide the API?
full quartz
does it have an api maybe
low vortex
who's "they"?
zenith jacinth
scrapper
low vortex
A person developed it
full quartz
it's using a web scraper
kindred basin
Ah, I'm curious since I was looking to develop something similar.
It's a difficult website to scrape
zenith jacinth
everyone's just tryng to push their own agenda, included me
low vortex
yeah, it goes down every time they change their layout
kindred basin
haha that must be a headache
low vortex
yeah it probably is lol
zenith jacinth
boy do I love drama
thats cuz i grw up watching soup operas
such if life
i guess??
quasi oracle
soup operas
zenith jacinth
soap?
full quartz
This guy was an admin lol
young scarab
@zenith jacinth Si no tienes ninguna sugerencia o algo para aportar, ¿podrías dejar el canal?
zenith jacinth
échame
young scarab
Es el último toque
zenith jacinth
échame
young scarab
Te lo estoy pidiendo a buenas
zenith jacinth
échameNAZI
young scarab
Depende de ti, no de mis comandos
zenith jacinth
bye
young scarab
Te pediría que por favor, no usaras ese tipo de comentarios a la ligera
zenith jacinth
no lo hago
young scarab
Sí lo has hecho
zenith jacinth
viví en alemania
sé quién es una nazi
pero tienes razón
no sirve de nada criticarte
la gente que quiere ayuda la pide
y sí, me siento sabio
y creo que lo sé todo
young scarab
Esperemos que te tomes un suspiro y cuando estés mejor, hablar calmadamente
tawdry skiff
zenith jacinth
lmaooo
si quieres deshacerte mi
banemane
no hay otra manera
pero
antes
quiero compartir una cancion
reef sparrow
basta ya uf
zenith jacinth
jajajajja
young scarab
Nadie quiere deshacerse de ti. Simplemente, queremos que te calmes
zenith jacinth
soy actor de teatro en mis tiempo llibres
young scarab
Pero no te estás ayudando a ti mismo
tawdry skiff
can i just be straight up
tawdry skiff
dude you annoy everyone in the server for like no reason
young scarab
Así que, te pido que dejes de insistir y te calmes
young scarab
Dentro de un par de horas estarás desmuteado
Esperemos de verdad que pienses en lo que has hecho y no vuelva a pasar
Confiamos en ti
low vortex
is it against the rules
@zenith jacinth ryry told you yesterday that it's not, didn't he?
crimson owl
@low vortex @kindred basin I remember the creator saying awhile ago that it scrapes the site, but that was awhile ago
so when spanishdict changes their site layout, more often than not the bot breaks
fiery dagger
Did someone change the color of the English channels? 
fiery dagger
They look blue-er 
low vortex
Maybe a discord update changed the way the emoji looked or something 🤷
There's only one 🔹
south summit
the ones on the list rely on your system instead of Discord's twemojis
rare hedge
sand aspen
quasi oracle
actualízate
deft dust
@young scarab
young scarab
Gracias antes que nada, por la sugerencia y esperamos haber ayudado más a esa situación
pulsar scroll
for the role on your level of spanish
beginner to intermediate
do you choose based on your native language or on the language you are learning
sand aspen
I don't understand the question
tawdry zinc
You put the level you have for that language
crimson owl
or that you feel you're at rather
pulsar scroll
ok
low vortex
The language you're learning
pulsar scroll
yes thanks i get it now
pulsar scroll
yea
young scarab
Dime por aquí
frank forum
Simplemente me preguntaba en qué nivel de conocimiento de un idioma debería situarse un nativo del mismo.
young scarab
Pues, depende, existen nativos que simplemente son nativos pero no tienen un C2 ni menos un C1 en el idioma
Pero también hay nativos que tienen un C1 o C2 en el idioma
frank forum
Entiendo...
young scarab
Un nativo lo único que es, es alguien que nació en "X" país y aprendió el idioma como un bebé; sólo sabe qué está bien y qué está mal
frank forum
Oh, entonces escalar en niveles sería comprender la complejidad de las reglas y tal.
young scarab
Después existen nativos que han seguido trabajando y saben de gramática y han llegado a ser expertos en más temas
frank forum
Comprendo.
reef sparrow
No tiene mucho sentido pensar en los niveles de CEFR si eres nativo, es que es otra cosa complatemente
young scarab
Los niveles esos de CEFR hablan más sobre en qué nivel de "maestría" te encuentras con el idioma. Alguien no-nativo jamás podrá llegar a "ser" un nativo, lo más cercano para camuflarse es ese C2
Pero un nativo, también puede ponerse esos niveles
copper kiln
Yo siempre asumí que al poner el rol de nativo sobraría el de nivel, pero ya veo que no es así
young scarab
Yo puedo ser un nativo y saber nada de puntuación, temas gramaticales, ser formal, etc
frank forum
Definitivamente no es así, Duncan. xD
young scarab
Hm, no. Los nativos saben decir qué está bien y mal
reef sparrow
Being a native doesn't really have much to do with your ability in a language, and it certainly has extremely little to do with how well you can teach it
young scarab
Yo si quiero que me corrijan un documento formal, aparte de tener un nativo que me diga "qué está bien y mal"
frank forum
O_o
young scarab
necesito a alguien Avanzado en el tema que me ayude
Así que, si te lo pones, quizás puedas ayudar a esa persona a saber que puede acudir a ti porque sabes dominar el idioma más allá de "bien-mal"
frank forum
El problema ahora es que no sé en qué nivel me situaría...
young scarab
Déjame mirar los CEFR
frank forum
granite spear
Quieres saber tu nivel de Inglés no
frank forum
No.
young scarab
Español
frank forum
Oficialmente tengo un B2.
granite spear
Ooo
frank forum
Quiero saber en qué lugar de la escala situar mi nivel de castellano.
young scarab
Principalmente, ya te digo, estos CEFR los hicieron para la gente no-nativa para que pudieran saber en "qué nivel de destreza del idioma" se sitúan, ya que el ser nativo era inalcanzable, pero una persona nativa puede usar estos niveles para situarse en un escalón
frank forum
Okay.
¿Cómo hiciste para determinar que tenías un C2, por cierto?
Que en ningún momento lo pongo en duda, pero por curiosidad.
young scarab
No sé si tú sigues en contacto con tus profesores de Lengua, pero yo le pedí a mi antigua profesora que me diera a poder ser, varios exámenes de C2 para poder examinarme, y luego se los mandé para que me los corrigiera. En base a esa pequeña prueba, que tiene varios apartados, me lo puse
Podrías hacer lo mismo, si quieres
frank forum
Oh...
young scarab
Puedes hacer un examen oficial, o tests por Internet
frank forum
Voy a buscar tests por internet, si eso.
low vortex
Ultimately, I'm with nexus. CEFR levels measure you acquisition of a foreign language. It's not suited to its purpose to use CEFR levels on your native language
young scarab
Pero una persona nativa puede presentarse a hacer esos exámenes y recibir un nivel
Y no tiene por qué ser no-nativa
reef sparrow
Not that you can't take the test and find out obviously, but it's not that you can say "Oh I'm a native so I should find myself at this level or that level "
frank forum
Okay.
young scarab
Si queréis mantenerlo únicamente para la gente nativa, me lo quito, pero un nativo puede situarse en uno de esos niveles
Existe mucha gente nativa que en el colegio no llega ni a un B2 escribiendo, a pesar de tener unos "acentos perfectos" y un radar perfecto para saber cuándo algo está bien dicho
frank forum
Yo no estoy para nada en contra.
De hecho, me ha parecido incluso de agradecer que te pongas el rol, porque diría que eres, de la gente que he visto por aquí, de los mejores (si no el mejor. :v) en cuanto a reglas y gramática en general.
young scarab
Yo podía haber nacido en España, y a los 4 años haberme mudado a UK.
frank forum
Y seguirías siendo un nativo, aunque rozaras con suerte el B2. (?)
young scarab
Oficialmente "soy nativo" y nadie me puede quitar eso por encima de nada, pero me he criado con el inglés y el español a veces hablando, pero si se trata de evaluar tu destreza en el idioma
Seguramente estés rozando el B1 o cosas parecidas
Existen incluso nativos que han perdido el idioma por completo, lo he visto
granite spear
¿Cómo hiciste para determinar que tenías un C2, por cierto?
@frank forum I passed the exam
young scarab
Una chica se mudó a España hace 18 años, es nativa, sabe qué le dicen en su idioma pero no sabe hablar ni escribir
Su nivel es A1 totalmente
low vortex
That's one reason I have always felt that cefr levels have no place in this server
frank forum
@frank forum I passed the exam
@granite spear O sea, me refería a Evil en español, pero se agradece la respuesta igualmente. xD
reef sparrow
I mean they're pretty meaningless given that such a small percentage of the people on this server have ever taken an official test
granite spear
Oh
low vortex
The common European framework of foreign language acquisition.... What good is that for our purposes
frank forum
Existen incluso nativos que han perdido el idioma por completo, lo he visto
@young scarab ...
frank forum
You're not.
granite spear
Hahaha
reef sparrow
Also the dunning-kruger effect is so prevalent in language learning that self-testing is pretty useless(?)
low vortex
Like why did we hold so tightly to a European set of tests that give you the level of your foreign language.
reef sparrow
I mean I think it's European in the sense that it's meant to cover European languages specifically
but I agree with the point
copper kiln
Is there another framework?
low vortex
Tests which were largely developed for European teachers of a foreign language to have a bit of a better roadmap, and for European employers of foreign speakers to know how well their candidates speak english
copper kiln
I meant specifically English and Spanish that use the same framework
reef sparrow
Oh
I mean Cambridge gives you a score from 1 to 9 no?
When you take their english tests
copper kiln
That’s just for English though right?
frank forum
From 1 to 9?
low vortex
No, it's European as in countries, not languages
It was specifically developed to support European teachers and employers
copper kiln
Even so, it doesn’t inherently mean that it’s not going to work for this server, does it?
reef sparrow
@frank forum
reef sparrow
FCE =/= IELTS though
frank forum
What's IELTS, then?
reef sparrow
International English Language Testing System
young scarab
Yo, realmente, no le tomaría muy en serio tener un nivel u otro. A mí me sirve como guía más o menos para saber cómo dirigirme a alguien, saber a quién puedo acudir cuando necesito hablar más técnico/formal, etc.
frank forum
ewe
copper kiln
Hacemos un rol para traductores jurídicos?
copper kiln
Mari Carmen
frank forum
C3. xD
frank forum
Maribel, de hecho. (?)
frank forum
Ah. xD
young scarab
Tampoco tienes que pasarme el certificado sellado con firma y todo
frank forum
No esperaba menos de ti, Duncan.
young scarab
que me acredite que eres B1 o a saber qué
Es ya de cada uno, cada uno vive consciente de lo que se pone y dónde está 😄
Yo lo encuentro como ayuda para saber a quién ir cuando necesito ayuda
No para nada más
frank forum
Vale, pues.
copper kiln
Ya, siendo internet estamos en el oeste salvaje en cuanto a poder pedir cosas de los usuarios
young scarab
Si Sere es de UK, y es nativo pero no sabe una mierda de puntuación
copper kiln
Ajem
copper kiln
Esto ha sido tu experiencia conmigo?
frank forum
xDDD
young scarab
Iba a decir Zedress, pero me hubiera mandado a la mierda
copper kiln
Yo o el?
copper kiln
Es muy joven
young scarab
Bueno, de todas formas, ahora que salió el tema de sí sí o sí no a que los nativos se pongan un nivel
Te haré saber cuando hayamos decidido algo
frank forum
Sea.
young scarab
De todas formas, si quieres saber el nivel que tienes, como ya lo he dicho, no debe de ser "exacto"
Podrías coger como 5 tests de Internet y valorarte, según la media que te salga, coges uno u otro
Siempre puedes cambiártelo, no vas a herir a nadie
young scarab
A ver, te paso unos que estén chungos
young scarab
Lo dudo, estás más que camuflado en el español de España
frank forum
Lmao
Puedo decir con total seguridad que si no fuera por el rol de nativo inglés Duncan colaría perfectamente como español de pura cepa. (?)
copper kiln
Eso porque no me habéis visto la cara 😄
Blanco blanquito y pelirrojo. Un celtíbero como mucho
frank forum
xD
young scarab
https://oxfordhousebcn.com/en/levels/level-tests/spanish/
http://vocabulario.bcbl.eu/vocabulario/test
https://www.esl-idiomas.com/es/pruebas-en-linea-espanol.htm
https://www.test-oposiciones.es/examenes-de-ortografia/
https://www.opositor.com/hacer-test?modulos[]=3&oposicion=ortografia
http://pruebadenivel.cervantes.es/exam.php?id=17
https://www.tiatula.com/tests_nivel/index.php
https://www.enforex.com/espanol/test-gramatica.html
Hay de vocabulario, ortografía, gramática
frank forum
Gracias.
sand aspen
¿Podéis fijarlos en #📚・learning-resources?
young scarab
Ya, si encontráis algún link, puedo añadirlo
frank forum
Por cierto, el cuarto link tiene un error.
O sea, el propio test, quiero decir.
Y parece ser que va cambiando, así que...
safe nova
howcome dittar got banned?
young scarab
Al igual que los demás usuarios del servidor, infringió las reglas y se tomó medidas, como en todo
fiery dagger
I can't seem to get the music bots to work, at least the Groovy ones
Did something happen? It says to change server region
minor condor
can i come in the channel for a sec otter?
fiery dagger
yes
fiery dagger
no problem
minor condor
i have no idea what that means, but usually we're on us south so that's very strange
fiery dagger
minor condor
i'll poke around
seems to join the music channel fine, but maybe it's the problem with perms in created channels / other channels, as otter said in bot
paging ryry
fiery dagger
rotund chasm
)':
fiery dagger
This channel I made is public, maybe it needs to be private?
rotund chasm
But you cant invite the bot to a private channel, no?
minor condor
try now otter
urban sand
were the bot permissions changed at all?
none of the bots seem to have permission to speak
minor condor
yeah I manually gave it permission to join otters private channel
oh oops
should be able to speak in otters now
oy
you spamming the modchannel mate
lol
i got it
boreal smelt
minor condor
welp
rotund chasm
T__T
minor condor
i could give it perms manually for all the channels one by one, but I remember vaguely this happened before
but not how we fixed it
so I don't want to mess up whatever that fix was
i will consult the council of elders
fiery dagger
young scarab
@fiery dagger ¿En qué canal intentaste llamar al bot?
deft dust
They were in a private channel they created, but I think it got fixed already
urban sand
no, it was a problem again later, but also in other servers
flat chasmBOT
🆙 | thor leveled up!
urban sand
nice
young scarab
Gracias
void roost
can you increase max number of people in voice channel "Beginner Spanish"?
from 5 to 6 or 7
<@&642782671109488641>
tawdry zinc
Puedes invitar a amigos si quieres a más gente
granite spear
It is possible, but you can already add more people by inviting them
tawdry zinc
granite spear
tawdry zinc
learn spein
low vortex
Yes, we chose 5 specifically and felt that with a larger room we would lose many of the benefits. Like the other have said, you can always use the canti bot to invite more people be typing &inv @person's name
bleak kettle
dont learn spanish
sand aspen
no lo digas, mi pana
astral jasper
Pana=amigo
void roost
&inv @void roost
agile charmBOT
sand aspen
you should use bots in #🤖・general-bot. and you can't invite yourself 
you have to ask someone in the channel to do it for you
torn tide
Hola letting know I’ll be having the sesion de lectura today, i think burd will make the announcement as usual; but if not the session is at 3 pm est, thx for y’all support 🙏
boreal smelt
i'll try but i might not wake up in time hahaha
when i get around to it, i'll have burdbot make automated announcements
restive goblet
I think it's better off done manually, sometimes one of you guys might not be able to host the sesión so it'd be confusing
tawdry zinc
cuando burd termine de crear su bot, ya no hace falta tener un equipo staff
young scarab
Se ha decidido suprimir los niveles CEFR de los roles Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced y Expert.
A partir de ahora, únicamente habrá que escribir el rol junto al idioma: ;iam Advanced English o .iam Beginner Spanish.
Tened en cuenta que estos roles no describen "a la perfección" el punto en el que os encontráis con exactitud, sólo es una guía.
boreal smelt
@restive goblet but usually when one of us cant make it (usually me lol) we just contact each other and see who can fill the other person in
torn tide
Right
Mods, can we delay the session til 3:30 PM? Please @restive goblet or anyone who sees this. I have some family duties to take care of , so it will be delayed by 30 min . Thank you. Ill make an announcement too in #📚・lectura-text-1
reef sparrow
omg deli wtf how could you
boreal smelt
edited no one saw anything
i can make a postpone command to delay the message. tho i suppose it wont work when someone says something at 11:00 on the dot lol
restive goblet
I'm not a mod tho 
astral jasper
You should
south summit
do you have some strict policy when it comes to inviting bots to the server? I was thinking I could write one out of boredom, like a trivia game based on language, so the users would have to recognize images and say the name, or conjugate verbs or whatever
mods would be able to add entries and whatnot
low vortex
No, it's not unnecessarily strict or anything. It just needs to provide value to the server
south summit
I see
would a command for TTS be welcome? that'd be a feature for @lime falcon
or does it have it already
seems not
something like ;tts es "hola, esto es un texto"
so it uploads an audio saying that
low vortex
I don't know enough about bots to even know lol
south summit
alright, I'll write the TTS thingie when I have the time and see if Ry likes it
thanks
boreal smelt
south summit
idk, it's a language server
I thought someone would might want to quickly know how to pronounce something
dreamy folio
I would prefer a bot that scrapes forvo if you’re looking to show examples of pronunciation
Text to speech doesn’t provide very good pronunciations
south summit
fair enough
dreamy folio
Besides discord already has TTS natively in the client
dreamy folio
I thought it was for everyone
Just like whether or not you’re in voice
But I can’t get it to work on mobile
south summit
it doesn't work on my platform so I never had the chance to hear it
flat chasmBOT
🆙 | manusaurio leveled up!
south summit
I guess it's worse than Google's but Google can't tell if you're talking about either bass or bass anyway
dreamy folio
Yeah I just tested it
I got a japanese voice telling me "hello" lol
So it's there and adopts to the language of your client
Also this tts can tell the difference between bass and bass somehow lol
typed bass song and bass fish and it got it correct
haughty goblet
thats cuz lots of TTS now do part of speech tagging to get the correct word
dreamy folio
Yeah I have some programs that do that with Japanese
Pulls it all apart completely and really accurately
So while I'm not surprised that TTS can do that, I'm surprised that Discord's TTS can do that lol
frank forum
@young scarab, ¿podría preguntarte algo?
young scarab
¿Sí?
frank forum
Verás, antes me he explayado demasiado resolviendo una duda en #🎤・aotw-learners que los audios están ya demasiado arriba, me preguntaba si podrías borrar toda la conversación.
young scarab
Haz ;q list y estarán de nuevo, no pasa nada. Muchas veces se conversa en ese canal
frank forum
Entiendo que no es el lugar idóneo para resolver dudas, pero entre que el usuario la había preguntado ah--- Oh.
Muchas gracias. :O
Espera.
¿;q list?
young scarab
Sí
frank forum
¿Ese no es para las preguntas?
young scarab
Es un sistema para anclar cosas, realmente. Preguntas y/o audios
frank forum
:O
young scarab
Hicimos uno para audios, ponlo y verás que ahí también hay
frank forum
Entonces perfecto, mil gracias.
frank forum
young scarab
El texto está en #🎺・aotw-natives. Lo coges, abres un audio de alguien, normalmente ponen el acento que quieren aprender y lo corriges
Yo que soy español tiendo a corregir los de Latinoamérica lo básico, fallos "comunes". Apunta que eres de 🇪🇸 y no puedes dar más feedback, tampoco estás obligado a corregírselos
Creo que hay una chica que aprende el de España, puedes hacer ése si te apetece
frank forum
Lo tendré en cuenta.
frank forum
¬¬
torn saddle
placid crest
dreamy folio
It's a role we use to split the admin/mod roles from other roles
Is there some problem?
strange anchor
to be a part of watching the movie every week, do we have to get here early? and do we need the movie squad role?
sand aspen
afaik the role is only for notifications
strange anchor
ah okay, so we just have to get there before the movie starts?
urban sand
They probably just lock the channel so people don't keep joining and leaving.
strange anchor
okay. thanks! i'll try again next week
strange anchor
ah okay, i'll do that then
jaunty breach
;Iam movie squad
sand aspen
oh they use a special channel 
fiery dagger
special 
urban sand
So is the channel open if you have the role?
jaunty breach
Yep
fiery dagger
Then it might be beneficial to add that to the role in #703075065016877066
sand aspen
it is there 
fiery dagger
I mean, explain the role is needed to enter the channel?
sand aspen
ah vale, sólo los pings están mencionados
fiery dagger
astral jasper
Alguien me puede mutear hasta el martes?
young scarab
Te puedes mutear a ti misma con ;selfmute, @astral jasper
astral jasper
pero no hay un limite?
lime falconBOT
young scarab
Parece que el máximo es 24
young scarab
¿Tienes inconsistencia?
astral jasper
sí pero este servidor más que los otros pq están llenos de grillos y nada más
crimson owl
I'd honestly just mute the entire server and put it at the bottom of my list of servers
And ignore it
But I guess that depends on how many ur in
astral jasper
no tengo la fuerza de voluntad por ignorarlo
deft dust
I think it's best if you self-mute every 24 hours
astral jasper
pero eso significa que volveré acá cada día
deft dust
Cause I know I wouldn't have the self-control either haha
crimson owl
I mean if that's what you really want. Till next Tuesday?
young scarab
Hecho, @astral jasper. Dentro de 5 días estarás limpia de nuevo
jaunty breach
Si hay algun mod responda pls, quiero mandar un meme pero puede ser algo ofensivo y quiero que lo vean primero por si las moscas
Y de paso para ver qué piensan sobre esta clase de memes
dreamy folio
Send it to me, I'll tell you if it's ok or not
jaunty breach
little kelp
tepid zenith
glossy hatch
I think so
unborn nova
Gracias
astral jasper
Emoji proposal: If you are in a conversation, and someone says something you agree with or something that identifies you, this emoji can serve well for those situations.
For example: if you are in #💡・serious-topics, and someone expresses their opinion in a discussion, and you agree with it, you can use this emoji as a reaction.
glossy hatch
Sí, y deshaced de 
lo cual que se ha usado 2 veces
dreamy folio
There’s some emoji you can use that already do this, like 
👍🆗🆙⬆️
glossy hatch
tru
dreamy folio
I mainly use 👍
dusty stump
crimson owl
Give it some water
urban sand
or 👆
tawdry zinc
restive goblet
OK sounds so troll tho
main hemlock
Since we now have he/him and she/her (and hopefully they/them?) roles, I think it would be nice to include them on the landing page. I mean, we have roles for cats and dogs visible....but not gender? lol
haughty goblet
what is your nativE?
rain cedar
neither
rain cedar
portuguese
haughty goblet
welcome 😄
rain cedar
thank you!!
haughty goblet
no problem
low vortex
@main hemlock I'll bring it up to the people who actually know how to make that happen because I have no idea how to do that react with roles stuff
empty ginkgo
Deberíamos tener un canal para los Animes y los Mangas, específicamente. (Separado de Pelis/TV) Muchas personas los encantan y creo que sería agradable 
sand aspen
!> los animes y los mangas específicamente [sin coma y en minúsculas]
A muchas personas les encantan 
dónde está Pixel
personalmente siempre vi 'los anime' sin 's' pero es posible que ambos sirvan
young scarab
Puedo proponerlo al equipo
Cualquier cosa, te la haremos saber. Muchas gracias por sugerirlo, @empty ginkgo
empty ginkgo
😄 también gracias
@sand aspen o, cierto! En el ingles también, no decimos "animes", entonces tiene sentido 
low vortex
Can you clarify why you feel "anime" doesn't fit with "tv" and "manga" doesn't fit with "books"?
young scarab
@empty ginkgo
empty ginkgo
I just think they are huge in themselves, yknow have a huge following and can be grouped together but are separate from tv & regular books. Like for example if any of you guys use reddit and are part of the manga & anime subreddits. There's just so much within it. So to answer your question, they can fit, I just think there's potential for them to have their own space to thrive 😄
Also I'm suggesting for Anime and Manga to be a canal grouped together
low vortex
Do you think that conversation about anime or manga is currently being stifled or on other words can't currently thrive? I'm not active in #🎥・movies-anime-pelis but in #📚・books-libros I see fairly regular conversations about manga
empty ginkgo
Hm
That is true, and it's possible people wouldn't want to have someone speaking about the manga which is (hypothetically) way past where they're at in the anime...
Maybe an occasional voice chat for anime or manga would suffice instead. ?
However, if there was a separate channel for anime/manga, people could post anime/manga specific art, screenshots, and have conversation about the stories.
If anything they could use the discord spoiler tag for their text.
My final suggestion is just a channel for everything onlyy Anime, with the components that I mentioned above.
low vortex
Alright thanks for clarifying!
empty ginkgo
😅 thanks for listening
strong portal
I can’t seem to figure out how to get one of the little homework buttons next to my name
does that mean “correct me”
sand aspen
No, although I think it's mentioned in #596718916256923649
strong portal
Ah great I’ll read through there too. Thanks so much !!
astral jasper
Hello, this 
Emote has a wrong name. This is a kek emote, not a rofl emote. Maybe rename it into "PeepoKek"
low vortex
Ok
sand aspen
I personally liked when it was rofl but misspelled peeporolf 
crimson owl
lol I remember that
tough locust
What does rofl mean?
frank forum
"Rolling On Floor Laughing"
tough locust
🤣
frank forum
Is this the appropriate channel, though?
tough locust
Por qué estas cosas no están en español?
granite spear
Hello Nocto! If you have any english questions its best to ask in #📘・questions-lounge
frank forum
Porque se inventó el sacrosanto "xD" y le puedes meter cuantas D quieras.
Yep, it's way better.
Let's go there.
tough locust
My bad
granite spear
no pasa nada
visual gulch
Hola , quiero aprender inglés con una persona nativa . Yo lo puedo ayudar con el español .
low vortex
Puedes escribir algo en #👫・language-exchange
astral jasper
Disculpen, cuales son los comandos referente a los créditos?
O dónde puedo verlos?
young scarab
t!daily @astral jasper
Y t!credits para ver tus monedas
Si quieres ver más comandos, t!help en #🤖・general-bot
astral jasper
Gracias
blissful prairie
Sorry if this is a stupid question since it's discord and not this server, but it's there a way to ping a tag and have it not show up unless people are online? I want to ask a (somewhat frivolous) England question, but it's a bad time here.
jaunty breach
I dont think so
safe nova
go to #📘・questions-lounge and ping the ask Britain role
blissful prairie
But it's so late over there and but technically language but region related.
Joder espero que podare recordar
safe nova
doesn’t matter, people put the role on to be pinged so 🤷🏻♂️if you want you can ask me privately
low vortex
I always assume that if the person doesn't want pings, they'll set up their phone correctly. I'm my opinion, it's their responsibility
safe nova
or if you don’t want pings just don’t put the role on that people often use